WEBVTT - Part Two: Elan School: The Worst 'Troubled Teen' Facility 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.960 The zoom Lady has commanded us, and we are back. 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:07.040 This is behind the bastard, the podcast that exists entirely 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:10.760 to glorify, elevate, and worship the zoom Lady are only 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.520 God and Master, and in fact the only thing sacred 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:19.000 in our entire cosmology of universal ethics. My guest today, 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:25.079 Archbishop of the zoom Lady, Miles Gray, Miles, praise her, Oh, 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:28.080 praise be to the z l the zoom Lady, that is, 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.680 for without her contributions to our mortal galaxy, we would 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:34.360 have nothing. Thank you for having me, Thank you for 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.000 being on, Miles, and thank you for creating the first 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.879 religious schism in our new cult that will eventually turn 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.560 into a war that kills billions. Which is of course, 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.479 whether or not we can abbreviate the zoom Lady's name 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:48.480 to za Zo. Yeah, I know, and we've talked about 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:51.239 this off Mike, and like I said, you come with 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:53.400 your people, I'll come with mine, And well, I guess 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.959 we'll see who's alive in the end. Yes, I am 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.840 excited for when we both gain access to nuclear silos 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:03.639 and can really really take this, this this disagreement over 0:01:03.720 --> 0:01:07.600 theology to an apocalyptic level. I mean, I think that's 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:09.679 the one thing we both agree on and we're excited for. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.920 Secretly we are. It's just about the joy of starting 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:17.880 a nuclear war, Miles. It's just about doing that thing 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.160 we saw during a mushroom trip or were like, dude, 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.720 what if you saw a mushroom cloud right in front 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.200 of you, though, wouldn't that be look at us our zoom, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:32.600 Lady Colt, Now, praise be, praise be so Miles. When 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:35.480 we were talking last time, if you remember, you might 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.640 have forgotten. That's right. Kids spank to girls so badly 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:42.840 she lost control of her bowels and had to be hospitalized. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:48.040 Because everything in a Lane was done communally, including physical punishments, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.400 which we're going to talk about a lot more today. 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.480 There's a lot. It gets so much worse, Miles, so 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:57.160 much worse. So. By the mid seventies, Allon had moved 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.320 to the facility would occupy for the majority of its 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.920 existence in Poland Springs. Most of its residents lived on 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:05.640 the five acre facility, which included a lawn, one an 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.600 administrative trailer, and six other numbered buildings that acted as dormitories, 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:13.639 classroom space, etcetera. There were two other ALLAWAN facilities, including 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.760 one in parson Field, Maine that had once been a 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:20.079 TV sanitarium. The space for all these facilities was necessary, 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:22.520 or all of this space was necessary because in the 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:25.560 early seventies alone got a bunch of positive press reports 0:02:25.760 --> 0:02:30.360 which brought hundreds of new residents to the program. So again, 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.120 what are positive press what's a positive press resort for this? 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.880 That this is saving kids who whose lives are completely 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:41.520 out of control, That this will give you back your kids, 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:43.560 this will get them off of drugs. You know, nothing 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.760 is worse than having a kid who's drug addict. So 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.919 anything ALON does is just and the idea that this 0:02:49.000 --> 0:02:52.160 is this is like the best kind of treatment for them. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.959 Like this specific program is Joe Richie builded as the 0:02:55.040 --> 0:02:58.840 Rolls Royce of teen treatment programs. Okay, and I remember 0:02:58.880 --> 0:03:01.480 even like because this is even like with Kellogg right, 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.440 like although just wacky remedies that were you know, just 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:08.359 essentially ways to funk people up where there at least 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.600 success stories that they would be like, oh and then 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:16.120 check out this kid who means stopped neighing like a horse. Yes, 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:19.520 throughout the throughout the existence of the program, there are 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:21.720 kids who will claim it will save their life. There's 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.919 even some kids who hated it but also will say like, 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.360 it's saved my life because I was like really into 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:29.200 heroin and I probably would have o'deed without it. It 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:33.160 also has permanently damaged my brain like like that, like 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:36.080 the positive stories tend to be like I would have 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:40.360 died without it. Also, I am forever like changed because 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:43.000 of this program in ways that are profoundly like negative 0:03:43.040 --> 0:03:46.640 and complex. Right, I feel deeply disconnected to who I 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:48.320 used to be. This is not to say there are 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.040 some positive stories and we can speculate on some of 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:57.360 those people, um, sure, but when you go through reports 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:00.920 of people who were there, the overwhelming warts are not positive. 0:04:00.920 --> 0:04:03.880 Now that said, this is the early seventies. Nobody is 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:06.120 talking about this place online. You don't have a lot 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.160 of former kids coming out and a lot of these kids. 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.600 It's a mix of rich kids who go there and um, 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.080 and generally if you're rich, you do get some kind 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.599 of special treatment right and wards of the state, and 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.000 so nobody cares what the wards of the states say. UM, 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:23.120 and nobody is really able to check up on them 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:25.360 to tell whether or not they actually have a high 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.880 success rate. UM, which we're gonna talk about in a bit. 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:32.640 So it was certainly the popular perception that the Allan 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.080 School was like again the Rolls Roy's, like this is 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:38.200 the nicest place you can send a kid for this 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:41.560 kind of intense rehab facility. It's that this this beautiful 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.039 compound in the woods in Maine, like it's like a 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.440 summer camp, you know. That was kind of the way 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:50.080 this was marketed. UM. Now, nineteen seventy five was a 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:52.360 key year in the evolution of the Alan School. It's 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:54.719 the year where a number of the most questionable aspects 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:59.880 of early along procedures started to turn toxic, and one 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.239 possible catalyst for the growing toxicity of the Allan School 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:09.039 UM maybe the fact that Joe Richie had an increasingly 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:12.599 severe drug addiction of his own. So Joe's friends seemed 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:14.480 to be pretty consistent that he was not a heroin 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.039 addict as a kid. But whatever the truth was, his 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.320 old injuries from his car accident started bothering him while 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:23.720 he worked prior to opening the Allan School. UM and 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.360 a number of his colleagues they're mentioned to his wife 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.159 that they were worried about how many pills he was 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.839 taking Sherry confronted him, and he told her that he 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.240 needed the pills because his pain was unbearable. Now, once 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.800 the Allan School started, Joe kept using. Sherry eventually realized 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.800 that Dr Davidson, their business partner, was prescribing her husband opiates, 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:46.160 which again very ethical doctor. Here. She went to the 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.400 doctor saying, hey, Joe is an addict and you should 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:51.920 probably not give him a blank check for drugs, and 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.040 he told her, Hey, I know what I'm doing. Don't 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.640 tell me how to do my job. I'm a psychiatrist. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.760 Back off, lady, I'm running the Rolls Royce of abuse underdomes. 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.640 And one of the things that's about this is that 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.039 later on, in like the late nineties, when Joe Richie 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.920 stops being on working there most of the time, like 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.800 he he eventually like the school is still running, but 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.520 he's not really there most of the time, not involved 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:18.120 in the day to day. The guy who replaces him 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.479 running the program is also a heroin addict um and 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:26.520 is using actively while he's running the school. Um. It's interesting. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.120 So Joe had a problem. Dr Davidson did not know 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.520 what he was doing. Um. And although Joe didn't really 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.080 drink much, his pill usage caused wild mood swings, irritable 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.720 and abusive behavior. When he would have a mood swing, 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:40.720 the easiest people for him to take it out on 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.200 with the patients at his school. So by nineteen seventy five, 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.360 this was becoming a serious problem. And that same year, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.200 his fifty four year old father bamboo shot one of 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.360 his friends during a bar fight when his friend tried 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.960 to de escalate things after he called another patron the 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.840 in word. So Joe's dad goes to prison for shooting 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.160 a dude. Um, And yeah, this is a So this 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:04.160 is a bad year. Seventy a bad year for Joe. 0:07:04.240 --> 0:07:07.000 Richie's the point I'm building towards. And on July it 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.880 got even worse. The state of Illinois sent a team 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.240 of five investigators, a psychiatrist, and four social workers to 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.800 Ellen for a surprise evaluation. This was standard procedure when 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:19.840 more than ten wards of the state had been placed 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.600 in a facility. So more than ten kids from Illinois 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:25.240 gets sent to the law school, and they say like, oh, 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:26.600 we have to send a team up there to make 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.520 sure that it's like a good school, you know, very 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:34.000 reasonable idea, right, Um, the team, Yeah, the team stayed 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.480 for two days. They talked with staff and residents, and 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:40.200 they observed daily activities. Now, this was the first inspection 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.920 a law school had, um and so it came as 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.640 a surprise and as a result, they hadn't prepared ahead 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:51.560 of time. Um, they didn't cleaned anything down. We gotta 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.840 stop hitting the kids until they ship themselves. Turns out 0:07:55.880 --> 0:08:00.080 a psychiatrist don't usually like that. Guys, we've been to in. 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.560 This all wrong, according to them, so we can just return. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.920 We don't do so. The team found a number of 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.840 horrifying things. One staff member, in charge of a house 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:12.880 where seven Illinois residents lived, admitted he had a criminal 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:16.480 history of assaulting women. His third such assault had seriously 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:18.520 injured his victim, which is why he'd been sent to 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:21.520 a lawn before graduating and being hired as staff there. 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.920 He admitted to investigators that he had difficulty relating to 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.600 women and was monitored by other staff to make sure 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.520 that he didn't assault any female residence. Um My god, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:33.800 now that might be a mark against you. You know, 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:37.040 maybe you shouldn't be in charge of a house full 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.079 of teenagers, including teenage girls, if you have a history 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.600 of repeatedly criminally assaulting women. Perhaps not right, maybe yeah, yes, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.240 I don't you're not. I don't think you that's a 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:53.280 part of the evaluation that most people realize in general, 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.200 that you you don't want to be Well, I guess 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.040 I don't know whose fault that is. I mean, honestly, Like, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.920 they hired him, so they did hire him. Here's my truth. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:07.640 And they're like, oh, I love criminally assaulting women. Well, 0:09:08.679 --> 0:09:12.440 good news about this job. So do we Yeah, you 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:17.160 know what, and and that's their fault for hiring you, honestly. Now. 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:21.120 The investigators were also horrified by general meetings, the constant 0:09:21.160 --> 0:09:23.640 pattern of verbal abuse in a LAN, and the frequency 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.040 of spankings. They eventually found out that the resident director 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.440 with a history of assaulting women had spanked numerous residents. 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:32.800 So the staff had claimed like, well, we make sure 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:34.880 he doesn't assault women, even though he has a history 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:36.200 of it, And then they were like, well, but yeah, 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:41.199 but he gets to spank them. He's using a paddle, Okay, 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:46.200 it's professional, Like what the funk are the team. Members 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:49.679 of this Illinois monitoring team overheard constant verbal assaults from 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.640 staffers to residents, including lines like you motherfucking whore, you 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.400 cock sucking, titty sucking, motherfucking asshole, and other things that 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:02.240 did not seem like therapeutic criticism. Oh my god, how 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:04.839 this is so wild to me though, like you know 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.160 how bad this is where outside observers come in and 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.120 it's become so normal that they're like, yeah, okay, back 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.959 to our regular scheduled programming, which is just tearing people 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:18.480 down verbally and like with the worst language. Now. When 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:22.560 they interviewed the nurse, she revealed that she had gotten 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.320 vaginal smears and rectal exams from female residents before they 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.839 started class, as well as semen samples from male residents. 0:10:29.840 --> 0:10:32.560 She said this was to test for v D. Semen 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:35.600 samples were obtained by giving boys a small cup, directing 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.079 them to a private room, and ordering them to masturbate. 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:42.320 So the team from Illinois was like, this seems not 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.240 like the way you'd test for STDs, And they reached 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.320 out to several doctors to be like, is it normal 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.640 to get a cum sample from kids to test for STDs? 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.320 And all of the doctors that's exactly right. All the 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.960 doctors are like, what the funk are you talking about? 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:02.439 You don't need this loud, Yeah, you need to get 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.880 this person away from children immediately. What the funk are 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:11.080 you talking about? Almost fainted, Oh my god, what's so 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:15.880 funked up? So the team from Yeah the Nurse also 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:19.600 admitted to handing out controlled substances without prescriptions to kids, 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:27.600 um and for what for whatever, mainly birth control pills, 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.080 which were given upon request and without carrying out a 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:34.560 physical exam first. Now, none of that's great, but what 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.080 really freaked the investigators out was learning about the ring. 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.080 Now the ring has become one of the most infamous 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:44.240 facts about a lawn. The ring was a boxing ring 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.000 where two people would beat each other up with gloves, 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:50.040 but it was also a literal ring of people miles. 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.640 The individual being punished would be forced to fight everyone 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:56.440 in the ring, sometimes more than ten people, so that 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.440 even if they were good at fighting and big, they 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.359 would eventually be overwhelm by sheer exhaustion and beaten bloody. 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.880 In interviews when this became widely known later, Joe Richie 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.120 claimed that the ring was only given his punishment to 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.560 bully's who had used your threatened physical violence against others. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:13.920 His argument was that you had to show these people 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.360 that there was always someone bigger than them. So that's 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:23.520 what Joe claimed. Yeah, either way, you teach children. Yeah, 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.440 I'm like, okay, just shut up right there, you're still 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:32.960 so you do admit you're making them fight each child format, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.120 Hold on, hold on, hold on the point isn't No, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:42.760 there's no point care about your reasoning, these kids doing it. Yeah, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.200 I don't care about your reasoning. You're making children fighting 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:49.600 a ring. Oh God, here we go. Okay, so what 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:53.080 do you suggest? So here's the reality the team from 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:55.320 Illinois saw. I'm going to quote from Duck in a 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.480 raincoat again. Those used to defeat the person being punished 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.760 were mostly large, well built boys fighting, both male and 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:10.120 female residents. Two residents independent, Oh what's she's already? Yeah, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:13.719 they picked the big kids for it. Two residents independently 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.680 independently talked about a young female being forced into the ring. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.720 When she resisted, she was held down while residents attempted 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.880 to tie boxing gloves on her hands. When that failed, 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:25.720 she was sent into the ring bare fisted and without headgear. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:29.120 Investigators also cited an incident where a pregnant girl was 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:34.360 put in the wing and defeat it. Evaluators observed that 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:40.080 it's pretty bad what The evaluators observed that residents could 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.960 be sent into the ring for any infraction, including not 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:46.400 sharing and discussion groups. So no, not just bullys. If 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.360 you don't want to talk in the group about who 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.640 you have a crush on, you're going to get beaten 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.040 up by large teenage boys in a circle because you're 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.880 not forthcoming with your pain in a fucking environment that 0:13:58.040 --> 0:14:00.600 is only meant to like exploit it and make you 0:14:00.640 --> 0:14:04.200 feel worse. And then you have to fucking yeah, beating 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.160 your pregnant girl. This is I mean, this is happening. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.720 This is happening in the nineties, Miles, This evaluation seventy five, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:12.920 but the ring goes on for decades. The ring goes, 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.400 Oh my god, what the fuck? Yeah, please tell me, 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:22.000 like just better have a good ending, man. It doesn't motherfucker. 0:14:22.120 --> 0:14:26.200 I mean, elements of it are good. So we'll talk more. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:35.040 We'll talk more about the ring later. Another punishment the investigator, Yeah, Miles, 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.640 so buddy, Oh yeah, I mean, yeah, we've got to 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.760 talk about the kid it killer. Um. But first we're 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.200 going to talk about another punishment the investigators discovered, which 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:49.320 might actually be worse. Now. This was called electric sauce. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.280 You want to know what what again? Take a guess 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:59.520 as to what electric sauce was? Miles, Dude, No, I know, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.640 really bad, yeah, Miles, No, I don't even I can't 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:08.080 even don't do their brains like short circuiting, even trying 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.800 to combine. It's it's a really bad school. Like we've 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.720 covered some Like honestly, elements of this sound not as 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.720 bad as the German school that raped all those kids, 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:22.600 like Waldorf School, right, No, No, that was just that 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:27.640 was the weird cult school. Um. Yeah, so I'm gonna 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:31.840 here's I mean, we've covered we've covered some bad schools 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:35.400 between the residents. Definitely not as bad as the residential 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:41.080 schools um Ireland. But I guess the residential schools like 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:44.640 killed thousands, right, so much worse. There's a there's a 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.520 it's this is there's an element of this that is 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.880 more disturbing just because of in those schools they're killing 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.440 kids systematically through neglect and through just a lack of 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.120 caring about their health. This is what this is obviously 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.360 less horrible, it's not an act of genocide, um, but 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.440 the level of thought Joe Richie put into how to 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:09.960 craft this engine of child abuse. There's something like uniquely 0:16:10.120 --> 0:16:12.960 unsettling about it in a way that I hasn't been 0:16:13.000 --> 0:16:15.880 present before in any of these other schools. It's just 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:21.360 such an intricately crafted machinery of child abuse, That's what's like, 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.320 so like the funk about this to me, Yeah, not 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:26.960 trying to like play like which is worse than the 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:30.720 obviously like again the genocide schools are worse, But there's 0:16:30.720 --> 0:16:34.200 something about this that's like primarily unsettling, like the level 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.880 of thought this man spent decades designing an engine to 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:40.800 abuse children. Again, like like so many of these like 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:44.320 stories that it's just repeating cycles of abuse because he 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.000 went to some who knows what the funk happened to 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.120 the place he went. Yeah, Um, so you're ready to 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:55.080 finally learn about what the electric sauce was, Miles, Oh god, 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:57.360 I had forgotten about the Yeah, we still haven't gotten 0:16:57.400 --> 0:17:00.560 into the electric sauce quote. Electric sauce was term used 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.720 to describe a mixture of garbage, catchup, mustard, cigarette butts, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:05.840 and other refuse which was poured over a person's head 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.639 as a form of punishment. The report indicated that human 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.520 feces was sometimes included in this sauce. What. Yeah, they're 0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:15.280 they're shipping and coming into buckets and throwing in trash 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.159 and pouring it on people's heads when they're bad. And 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:21.320 again and if you're this is therapy, by the way, 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.919 what is what is Richie saying? Yeah, And I'm sorry, Richie, 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.760 electric fucking sauce do Richie denies that this is a 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:30.720 part of the school, right, Like, this is not the 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.240 kind of he'll defend, like the ring and stuff. And 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.840 they do stop you in the electric sauce eventually, Yeah, 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:41.000 because there's no defensively electric sauce than I would the ring. 0:17:41.520 --> 0:17:43.960 If we're going to get to know where you're lion 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:46.960 Is smiles, Yeah, I mean I'm like, if I got 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:48.480 to own one, I'm like, well, at least no kids 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.440 dying from being in a fist fight ring. And it's 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:54.400 just straight up well, I mean, I don't even actually 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.080 like one's better than the other. Again, you get what 0:17:58.119 --> 0:17:59.920 this show is done to me. I'm gonna read you 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.639 another fun quote about other punishments at the Allan School. 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.600 Miles Digging ditches was apparently still another reprimand a day 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.440 of digging ditches under surveillance was a common practice. After 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.600 each ditch was dug, the resident being punished would be 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.480 required to fill it back up again and repeat the 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:15.840 process for the duration of the punishment. The use of 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.600 handcuffs was also alleged. One resident explained that he had 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:21.800 been handcuffed for about five hours for striking someone. Another 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:23.800 had been ordered by a staff member to handcuff a 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.280 girl to a table by placing the cuffs around her ankles. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:28.959 One of the Illinois awards had his shoes taken away 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.920 during his six weeks at a lawn. He had made 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.600 repeated requests for shoes, but the requests were denied because 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.199 he was told that if he had shoes he might 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:37.960 run away. When when this child was brought back to Chicago, 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.560 he had blood poisoning in one foot, What the fuck? Okay, 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.520 So all right, you might expect, Miles that when a 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.440 government agency finds all of this ship out and writes 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:52.560 a report on it in nine, the end of the 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.879 program would come soon after, as would criminal charges for 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:57.919 a lot of the people involved. Right, this would be 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.280 a pretty full episode if this ended in night teen. 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.480 Because we've talked about some bad shitt here um, but 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:06.560 this is the United States of America. I need to 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.560 remind you of that again, as I did an episode one. 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:11.080 Miles and the Lawn School continue to operate for more 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.840 than thirty years after this point. Um, because again, parents 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.080 have a sacred right to pay people to torture their 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.760 children if they think it's a good idea. That's unbelievable. 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.640 So they they were just able to skate under that premise. Well, 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:25.919 we're going to talk about how they got away with it, 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:27.879 but the core of why they got away with it 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:31.160 is there is a widespread idea that is particularly normative 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:34.560 among conservative Americans, that as a parent, you are the 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:38.240 ultimate arbiter of what happens to your child, and they 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:40.800 don't have rights. You have a sacred right to do 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:45.080 whatever the fuck you want to That kid is a punishment, right. Um, 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.240 it's a popular refrain. I'm the adult, maybe or the child. 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.439 Children should have equivalent rights to adults, even though we 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.640 all agree children should not have equivalent responsibilities. Maybe shouldn't 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:59.000 have access to all of the same things that adults do. 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:00.840 For example, I don't think nine year old should be 0:20:00.840 --> 0:20:03.320 able to buy cars or guns, but perhaps they are 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.760 entitled to the exact same human right. Come on down 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:10.160 to miles as catalytic converter barn where you're walking out 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.600 of here too stuff. Maybe I think we should be 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:14.800 teaching kids because kids could get under the car easily. 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.320 Their little hands can reach in there. We should range 0:20:18.440 --> 0:20:22.720 that's miles. We could start a teen rehab facility when 0:20:22.760 --> 0:20:24.800 we get kids off of dope by teaching them to 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:30.800 steal catalytic converse. No, Sophie, you always stomp on my 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:33.520 dreams to create residential schools for children. Is this one 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:38.760 illegal to like the other fifteen ideas you said no to, Sophie, Yeah, 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.040 she hates it when I talk about crimes. I like 0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.400 being able to pay my rent. Well, you could pay 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.600 you rent in catalytic converters. Just drop a bag of 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.639 them off at the manager's office. Sophie. There you go, 0:20:49.600 --> 0:20:51.639 be like, Hey, here's a bag of cats that's going 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:53.480 to take care of me for the rest of the year. Right, 0:20:54.200 --> 0:20:56.520 give him a little wink. If he's smart, will take 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:59.960 the deal. So the good news is that the Illinois 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.280 instigators did take the kids who are Awards of the 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:06.000 State away from the Allan School. They issued a damning 0:21:06.040 --> 0:21:09.639 report that includes these lines quote. Alata will argue that 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:12.520 the evaluation team has taken occurrences out of context, and 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:14.800 that contrary to the findings of the evaluation team, the 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.800 incidents were in the best interests of the child, regardless 0:21:17.800 --> 0:21:20.399 of the reasons given by Alan excusing your justifying the 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:23.800 instance incidents, Each and every incident reported is directly contrary 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:26.960 to Illinois law and regulations, and under no circumstances can 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:29.320 the agency permit any of its wards to reside at 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.679 an institution where such events occur. These practices violate the 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.080 child civil rights and liberties and deprive him of his 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.600 self respected dignity. Under no circumstances can the Department of 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.520 Education and Family Services permit any child to be subjected 0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:45.080 to allan which is good. Good on you guys who 0:21:45.240 --> 0:21:48.040 tried in the fucking state of Illinois. I don't have 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.080 a lot of praise for the State of Illinois, but 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.800 they did their best, and so at the very least 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:56.840 that meant no more rewards of the state would be 0:21:56.880 --> 0:21:59.199 going to this program. No God, no, no, no, no. 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:01.040 It just means I'll no, I won't send kids for 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:03.399 a while, oh just for all well, and just that 0:22:03.480 --> 0:22:06.080