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Speaker 1: Wait that as up in the morning Breakfast Club Morning,

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Speaker 1: everybody is DJ Envy, Angela Yee Scholamine the guy. We

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Speaker 1: are to Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in

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Speaker 1: the building daytime Talk Royalty. What where did you get that?

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Speaker 1: Who wrote that? I love my mom for sending that

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Speaker 1: in thank you? She listens to the Breakfast Club. Good morning, mama,

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Speaker 1: good morning. How are you? I'm wonderful. How about yourself?

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Speaker 1: And bless I love that I am feeling the same way.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely good to see you. Thank you. This is

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Speaker 1: my first time in your studio. I know it's ganulation overload. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did zoom so I'm I wanted those people because

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Speaker 1: it's the clean, latest thing, underwhelming, ories behind everything. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah DIDJV You and your wife are going to

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Speaker 1: be on my show soon. I can't wait. We're excited.

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Speaker 1: I love this. There's a lot of alcohol. It's all

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Speaker 1: for props. Yeah, but you don't Oh oh oh you

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Speaker 1: do have the puffy send me a monogram vodka. I

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Speaker 1: never opened it. You guys have fun? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: you have one too. Yeah. So yeah, I've had your

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Speaker 1: name on it. You know you kind of got to

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Speaker 1: I guess you're not supposed to drink those. I didn't

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Speaker 1: drink it. I just left it there, said it's for

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Speaker 1: a prop like y'all, but it's cute. How was it

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Speaker 1: for you doing the show during a pandemic without an audience? Oh,

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Speaker 1: it's terrible. I mean it was terrible. I know. I

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Speaker 1: had Seth Meyers on the show the other day and

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Speaker 1: he said he enjoyed it because it allowed him to

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Speaker 1: connect more with viewers in the way he didn't expect.

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Speaker 1: I think the first half of it, I said, just think, God,

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Speaker 1: we're on air, like we're on air because we would

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Speaker 1: And then when we went back in and had to

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Speaker 1: go back out this last round when Amar I'm a journalist,

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Speaker 1: and I'm a journalist, I should know better. But that

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Speaker 1: second wave and December, I had to go back into

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Speaker 1: and I realized, and you all know this, and Charlottage,

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Speaker 1: especially with your shows, it is having an audience is

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Speaker 1: It's like the team in commandments. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: rules of daytime. You have to have an audience. I

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Speaker 1: my first time even attending a daytime talk show. I

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Speaker 1: went to Temple University and I came to see Haraldo

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it was rough. I did not like it.

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Speaker 1: I wonder when you went to go see Haraldo back

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Speaker 1: in the day, does that when the bug hit you?

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Speaker 1: I was a college student at Temple and they, you know,

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Speaker 1: did what college kids do. You come to New York,

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Speaker 1: You hang out in Times Square, You got free tickets

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Speaker 1: Horaldo Rivera's. So when did you get the bug down?

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Speaker 1: When did you see yourself? When did I get the bug?

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Speaker 1: When did I get the bug? Well? Um, I would

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Speaker 1: I was born. If I if you ask me what

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Speaker 1: was studying you. I start to look at body and language.

428
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Speaker 1: I hug Angela, but I didn't hug you. I get you.

429
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: And then you watch how people respond. No, no, you're

430
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: watching how people respond. I could even tell when my

431
00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: answer went too long because I can see it in

432
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: your eyes, Charlottagne, so you can I can see it. No,

433
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: you got your body shifted, so you know. And you

434
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: we all are like little investigators, right, and so these

435
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 1: shows turn you into investigators because you're wondering, Hey, how

436
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: do I avoid being a victim? Be? Could I prosecute this? See?

437
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: How would I investigate it? Which is also why I

438
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,439
Speaker 1: wrote my crime book I've a crime series Jordan Manning

439
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 1: as The Wicked Watch. I'm actually fifteen chapters into the

440
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,280
Speaker 1: follow up to that and that book, like this show

441
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 1: all inspired by human nature, and I'm no professional ethicist

442
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm a journalist who doesn't talk show, but I am

443
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 1: deeply fascinated by how people can take someone else's life,

444
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 1: especially someone they love. Especially you know, when you talk

445
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 1: about human behavior, the only reason all of us are

446
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,239
Speaker 1: safe every day is because of human behavior, because we

447
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 1: make a choice not to go crazy on somebody. Yes,

448
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: could you be pushed to it? Right? Could you be

449
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: pushed to a point of no return? I think I could.

450
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 1: You could never felt like I wanted to. You know,

451
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: somebody told me one time that, and I totally disagree

452
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: with this. But I've had a woman say on my

453
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: podcast that if a man doesn't ever feel like he

454
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,400
Speaker 1: wants to kill you, he doesn't love you. Well that's

455
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: a lie. Um no, And I was like, that's not true.

456
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 1: What I mean by that is not passion love. When

457
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: I had my son, they talk about the mama bear thing.

458
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was real until I had my son.

459
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 1: I could have. We were walking one day and we

460
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: lived in the city and this man was just demonstrative

461
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: and walking and my baby was just learning to walk,

462
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: and he nearly knocked him over. I saw stars, I

463
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 1: saw I mean, it was one of those moments like

464
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: Oprah's to be brought Opra and color Pro was like,

465
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: hold my baby. I was like, I was ready to

466
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: kill this man and I had I turned and before

467
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like cursing, and my husband is like, what

468
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: is this? And it was a rage from the bottom

469
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: of my feet. I can't believe I'm admitting this to

470
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: the top of my head that I could have. I

471
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: could see that I could. When's the last time you

472
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: wanted to kill somebody as well? Never? It was just

473
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,719
Speaker 1: at one time. Don't try to see this is what

474
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: you do. Don't you try to make me man like

475
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: Kamala Harrison will not fall for this nonsense. Not gotta

476
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: y already, gotta have Nick Cannon mad at me like

477
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: Stamardall said, he didn't even that is not what I said.

478
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 1: Somebody clear that up. I said that too many people

479
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: weren't distracted by things that didn't matter, which were Nick's

480
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: great interviews Angela, I said, don't try to screw me

481
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: with him. So no, I, um no, Honestly, it was

482
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: only when I had my baby that it was this

483
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: mama bear when they tell you don't get any midd

484
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: of a bear cub and the Mama bear I understood

485
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: and understand that snap because I never felt that away

486
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: and it doesn't Please don't tell of that. I got

487
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: six You know, it doesn't go. You feel like you're

488
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: on guard constantly. I'm ready to do it, really, I'm

489
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 1: ready to kill somebody with my kids. Yeah, I'm not lying,

490
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: could you? Because we see so many stories all the time,

491
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: but people doing things and kids, I'm like, and you know,

492
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: we are the wishing wishing Nigga wood type of people.

493
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: I wish the mother And that's okay, you said it.

494
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: I won't say it, but that's how I feel with

495
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 1: my son. I feel like about your husband, do you

496
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: feel like, No, he's grown, he's fifty three, but if

497
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: somebody did something in him, you wouldn't be like, I'm

498
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna kill that person. Oh no, we would get it going.

499
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 1: Though it's my husband's different. He better my hole of course.

500
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: Of course, this funny story. I was once engaged to

501
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: a man uh and we went on vacation together and

502
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: we parasled and we were out in the ocean and

503
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: Cosamelo somewhere this is many years ago, and the parasel snapped,

504
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: I can't swim. I flew into the ocean. He was

505
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: still on the boat. I called off the wedding. Absolutely,

506
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 1: that's a true story. The guy on the boat, who

507
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: didn't even speak English, was like swimming, Hey, did it move?

508
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 1: He was a lifeguard growing up, so I may have

509
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 1: told too much that he goes sum me now what

510
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to look at all. And last weekend

511
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: I think it was Miami fiance fell in the ocean.

512
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: The guy jumped in after her chop the boat. That

513
00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: was very sad. I'm I'm just that would happen. I'm

514
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: just saying like, that's not no. And all they did

515
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: was through the life rap for her and got hurt.

516
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: But he died for love. Yeah, but he should have

517
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: let the people want to bolt. Do they jack? No?

518
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: I can I could excuse after I didn't speak to him.

519
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: We flew all the way back and I said this

520
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: is not gonna work. And what was his explanation? I listen,

521
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: I did not. I did not. I did not. I

522
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: was so upset and so disappointed. He frozed, you know,

523
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: black Panther was She was like, don't freeze. Maybe he froze. Well,

524
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: we'll never know. Somebody else wasn't concerned about no, not

525
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 1: that worked, but no, no, what I know? So first

526
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,239
Speaker 1: of all, the parasel I was terrified it was going

527
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: to come down over my head, but it fell behind me.

528
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: I had a life jacket on. I can't swem. So

529
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: now I'm thinking two things. Thank god the parascel did not.

530
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, Jaws is gonna eat my legs because

531
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,919
Speaker 1: I'm in the deepest part of the ocean. He might

532
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: be thinking that too, So who she were like, I

533
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: can't I lay it in Jim there, You're like, wait

534
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 1: a minute, what if there's Jaws? Um No, my legs

535
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: are dangling and how far is the boat? They had

536
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: to turn around because I flew it snapped and I

537
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: flew out and pow hit the water because like submit,

538
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 1: I could have died. And then they flew back around,

539
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: came back, and then I realized I wasn't gonna go under,

540
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: and I locked eyes with him and I was like

541
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: doging battle for him. And you know, it's so long ago,

542
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: but whatever he said wasn't suffice. It wasn't It wasn't

543
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: enough because I remember getting on that boat and I

544
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: was like, this man will never ever bur What if

545
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: it was like World Star. I'm trying. Yeah, you've been

546
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: taking lessons, right, I've been. I still can't. I can't.

547
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: You should come in what my son can swim? I'm

548
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: still learning. Isn't that terrible? Your son can swim him

549
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,479
Speaker 1: and your legs love building people up in that terrible.

550
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: That's how I feel when little kids be swimming circles

551
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 1: around me and I'm like, why can't I still He's

552
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: a part of my motivation, going back to that Mama bear.

553
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: So when when we got our got our kid, when

554
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: I had him and he's I said, okay, we have

555
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: this pool, and you know, we'd do so many stories

556
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: and it is so important. And I did a report

557
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: on you know, there's this whole study on why people

558
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: of color don't swim and it has nothing to do

559
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 1: with an inability to swim. Um. It was a fascinating

560
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: study from USA Swim that basically said two things. Um,

561
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: when they asked young black girls, it was about our hair. Yeah, um,

562
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: it was about our hair. But more important than that,

563
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: because that was a very small percentage. You don't want

564
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: to put your child in a situation where you can't

565
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: save them. So so many black parents and parents of

566
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: color can't swim and so you say, I know you

567
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: can swim, but I need to be able to save

568
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: my baby. And so as a result, it has nothing

569
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: to do with like a lack of swimming programs. You

570
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: know a lot of people pointed to pool closing and areas.

571
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with that. It was I

572
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: cannot bring myself to put my baby in a position

573
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: where they would be harmed. And I can't going back

574
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: to Mama Bear, Daddy Bear, can't go in and save them.

575
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: So that's been a part of it. So when I

576
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: had Moses, I was like, I cannot possibly be here

577
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: and not be able to launch into the first class

578
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: I took. They taught me diving, so they would put

579
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: these things and they said first class was diving to

580
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: get into order. Well, no diving and retrieving, because they said,

581
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: we won't call it anything. We'll say a piece of

582
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: something falls on and so we would never use that,

583
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: you know that visual And so they were five or something.

584
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: I needed it though, right, so they would put it

585
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: in and I dive, and they taught me how like

586
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, your instinct is when you would dive in,

587
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: you'd hold your breath, so you're panicking and something is underwater,

588
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: go you dive in, well, you're gonna run out of air.

589
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: So they taught me how to push the air out

590
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: going in so that I could go in. And so

591
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: it was intense and it was terrifying. But going back

592
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: to what you will do for love, that was one

593
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: of the things. I respect you breaking that off door

594
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: because it's like you can't really do those vows sickness

595
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: and in in health. And you respect me now because you

596
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: first were defending him and you said he could have

597
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: been killed by random sapped him. That what I needed, though,

598
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: because you can't. You can't with confidence say those vows

599
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: knowing that you almost let your woman drown. Or I

600
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: couldn't be confident in hearing him. What about my perspective?

601
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: He could probably have said them, because I'm sure now

602
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: I got to go find him on Facebook and I'll

603
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: ask him why didn't he jump in? But have you

604
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: ever been at a crossroad? I met your wife too.

605
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: I met Charlomagne's beautiful wife at the Tyler Perry studio. Um,

606
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: is there any have you been in a moment our

607
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: crossroad where you had to say I gotta jump it?

608
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: Was there ever a confrontation with a God looking at

609
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: her already not yet hopefully never too old now to

610
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: be doing Yeah, you gotta gets push ups? You ready?

611
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: How old is Moses? Moses will be three in April.

612
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: Three in April. When you when you're teaching one thing

613
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: about swimming, just remember sometimes it doesn't matter that he

614
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: can swim, but if kids are around him and grab him,

615
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: even though if you could swim, so they teach you.

616
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: If that's the case, tell Moses to go down under

617
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,959
Speaker 1: the water because when you go, okay, my heart is racing.

618
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: Now you got my heart racing, I know. That's that's

619
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: why I tease the kids swimming. And the reason I

620
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: didn't never know how to swim is and in Queens

621
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: we didn't have swimming pool. Do you swim now? Swim

622
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: to swim team? Oh you were yeah, So I took

623
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: that even with the Beijing and your bid you still

624
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: jump in the shut up? Is that that okay? But

625
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: it's just the kids are young, like six seven months.

626
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: I put them in the water. That's what we did

627
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: so that when he learning all my kids how to swim, great,

628
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: see that's good. We did that with Moses. We started

629
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: at he was a few weeks old. And actually I

630
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: saw a Gabrelle union as a friend and I saw

631
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: a copy on the one and I was like, Okay,

632
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: look at her, she's doing it. I'm showing my infant

633
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: these pictures like that, and she is a phenomenal swimmer,

634
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: and I wanted him in the water. But it is

635
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: truly one of those intimidating things even still for me.

636
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: But it is so important and there are so many

637
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: misnomers about why black people don't swim in it. Just

638
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: when I got involved with this organization and USA Swim

639
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: and started studying it was after I think it was

640
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: three and I don't want to quote it wrong, but

641
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: there was an incident in Louisiana where there was a

642
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: sand bar and the children fell in and they drowned,

643
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: and as adults were going out to save them, they

644
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: were drowning. It's like three generations of a black family died.

645
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: This was about ten years ago. I did the story.

646
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: It was devastating, and nobody in the family and so

647
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: the others were forced to stand at the shore and

648
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: it was just like it blew my mind. It blew

649
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: my mind, and it was that was also a part

650
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: of the catalyst for me wanting to help them get

651
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: the message out about the swim. But you can come over.

652
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: We'll help you. I know, I gotta learn how to swim.

653
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: You do. How old are you? H's too old to

654
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: not know how to swim. I should have never been

655
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: a Disney World. I never saw The Lion King either.

656
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: I saw the play, the Broadway play The Lion King.

657
00:32:48,720 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: What okay you judge me for not playing uno. I

658
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 1: have seen the Broadway play, though I know that you've

659
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: never seen the movie. And I not even been with

660
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: Disney work Disneyland. I've been at Disneyland in California, never

661
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: Disney World in Orlando. Why don't you guys take her

662
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: for her birthday? No? Thank you. I will go with

663
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: you in Disney World. No we will not. No, we

664
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 1: will not do that because they have a lot of

665
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: kids in that water and everything else there. It is,

666
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: you know what, It's very very fun. It is truly magical,

667
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: and you have to get that iconic picture where you're

668
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: right in the middle and it's behind. Do you have

669
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: any nieces or nephews or anything. I have a lot

670
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: of younger cousins. You got you should do a family trip.

671
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: It's expensive. I think I will go with my friends

672
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: at this point now and my kids. I have three

673
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: guid children. You know you should go. I know you

674
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: give great financial advice. Just it is expensive. I start

675
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: it is go get the tour. You gotta get out

676
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: to Orlando. She's already set it up. So when I

677
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: go there next she's like, we're gonna go. It's it's

678
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot. You want to get a fast pass,

679
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: you want to get a tour, you want to and

680
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: then it's gonna it's a lot. How to go next month?

681
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: Am I too old to be in Disney time? No? Listen,

682
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: do you know that Disney is the number one destination

683
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: for couples to honeymoon? I could never honey that's too muchress.

684
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: And they have the whole Disney wedding collection like people,

685
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 1: you know, like they had the Gucci Disney collaboration. They

686
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: have people go and they design beautiful gowns inspired by

687
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: the princesses. Yes, is that a worst Yeah? My oldest

688
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: daughter the childing. So they have the Chilian competition there

689
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: every April. No, it is, it is, it is truly.

690
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: You mag it there. I'll let you know you're gonna

691
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: make it there You're like, you're gonna Mars with Big David,

692
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: gotta make it there. See, I'm gonna you could go

693
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: to Morrow. You own like half of Brooklyn. I read

694
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: every time about you buying another house another town. You

695
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: should get on playing tonight and right back, just fly

696
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: right there and go. You know what fascinated me. You

697
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: had some of the a couple of the women from

698
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: tendaswin there on this terrifying. Yes, that was terrifying to me.

699
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: But I feel like people didn't have a lot of

700
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: sympathy for them. They didn't. People don't have sympathy for

701
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: We do a lot of shows on UM this type

702
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: of crime, this type of fraud that takes place, and

703
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: we did one season, I think this season one or

704
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,280
Speaker 1: two of our show a woman she was a CIA

705
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 1: spy and a man swindled her out of over a

706
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: million dollars and people had no sympathy for her, and

707
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: I don't. It breaks my heart. And I try to

708
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: explain to folks cons are good because they're cons and

709
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: when people say, oh, that wouldn't have ever happened to me, like, yes,

710
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: that's what they do. It's like that's their home. They

711
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: spend their entire day trying to figure out how to

712
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: get you to get you don't think you could do it.

713
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: You've never felt taken it. That was Rob Vegan. I

714
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: saw that you've never taken advantage of ever in in

715
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: a romantic sit Remember you bought the fake leather jacket jacket.

716
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: I bought a fake leather jacket. But that was two

717
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. You bought a fake It was on the train,

718
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: but that's the beginning. It wasn't even on the train.

719
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: But he put the fire against the left and tell

720
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: me leather doesn't but you, okay, look at under stand

721
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: out crazy. That's else. I bought a leather jacket with

722
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: a guy with a flame torch. He gave me a test.

723
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,240
Speaker 1: It was a great story. It is a great story.

724
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: Was but that's what. That's how it starts. There's only

725
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars to fifty, doesn't that's a lot of a

726
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: a lot of money, A lot of money, A lot

727
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: of me that you buy seven my whole life. But

728
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: two fifty is the beginning. So if he first of all,

729
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: two fifties a lot of money again, to buy a

730
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: jacket on a subway with flames with a flame torch,

731
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: fifty dollars. I could see two fifties a lot. So

732
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: if you bust some fake sneak, look what you just said.

733
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: He said it was real and that's what you got

734
00:36:54,480 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: got and fake? Shut up? Do you do? You do?

735
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 1: You die? I don't do nothing to it. You you

736
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: got us die? You know? Don't try to? Are you

737
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: a pitch person for them? No? He's not mentioned it

738
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: three times, but like any name I mentioned three times,

739
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: he gets him. Do you have a No? People always

740
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: ask about your skin. Everyone always talking about beautiful and

741
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: thermatologist doctor Natasha Sandy. But it's beautiful. But I don't

742
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: use bejing tammy. Have you ever been swindows? Have I

743
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: ever been swindled? Like anything? He's talking about the flames like, no,

744
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 1: have yes? Fake? I've never bought anything fake? But you

745
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: get Oh. I can't tell the story no, because it

746
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: involves the legal stuff. Now because I I know how

747
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 1: much did you lose? Just say that much? I didn't

748
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: lose it. I got it back. But how much did

749
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: they take before you got it back? Uh? They I

750
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: had deposited five thousand dollars. Wow, And and then uh

751
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: because of her service related to my child. And then

752
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: the service turned out not to be legitimate, and then

753
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: I had to go and get it get it back,

754
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: and he could have but twenty I'm like, I hate

755
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: being caging, but it did get legal, so I can't

756
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: should be watching like you really now I want my

757
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: money back. Um. But it's you know, with the dating thing,

758
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: it's about getting someone when they're vulnerable, and love makes

759
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: us so vulnerable going back and man, I don't want

760
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: to make this a thematic show. The love of your child,

761
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: the lack of love with the guy didn't jump in

762
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: to save me any of these things. It's it's love

763
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: and they zero in on it. I had the tender

764
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: swindler women on and to your point, you think, like

765
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: at the point they're asking for oh my check didn't

766
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 1: come in. If you front me this, i'll give it back,

767
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: they just nibble away. At the same time, they're love

768
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: bombing them, they're showering them with gifts, and in that case,

769
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: he was buying gifts with the money from other women.

770
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: So you're thinking, oh, he just took me on a

771
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars you know, dinner, so he's got to

772
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: have them. Honey, I'm on a private jet. He'll give

773
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: it back. But yeah, it is a huge problem. And

774
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: think about it. These are the people who come on TV.

775
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: Do you know how many others that you know who

776
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: stay silent, right, and who don't tell how they've been

777
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: taking advantage of It's crazy, but I see how it can.

778
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: Thank god, it's never happened, but I see how it can. Yeah,

779
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: why that I saw how it could happen because he

780
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: was definitely doing a lot of things. He's falling up

781
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 1: in a Lamborghini. You don't think he has stolen it,

782
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: and he's taking them on trips on private plane and

783
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,479
Speaker 1: then you're believing that his life is in danger because

784
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: people are acting. Well, that's when he lost charity, got

785
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 1: beat up too much. We always remember when they start

786
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: adding on like so that they say they're the tells

787
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: with a lie, and so obviously you watch the eyes.

788
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: If the eyes go down and go up, they're different tells.

789
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: When people start adding on too much detail, right, that's

790
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: when you know simple they keep keep your life simple.

791
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: If you ever. I hate to give you this advice,

792
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: but when doing a crime show, and I do, I

793
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: view a lot of interrogation video and looking even with

794
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: my new show, you know we have a one guy.

795
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: We have his interrogation video, and I was sitting there

796
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: the whole time. I'm like, please stop. He just kept going.

797
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,479
Speaker 1: And you know they say talk yourself into a lie.

798
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: He just keep your lie first. I'll always commit the

799
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: crime by yourself. Never because if you're gonna do any

800
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: with anybody're gonna tell every crime. What else should we do? Angela,

801
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: don't do it at Disney, no cameras everywhere. No I

802
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: do a crime show. So again going back to a

803
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: Charlotte and say you study people. And one of the

804
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: things I always tell people everybody you get caught when

805
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 1: you do it with somebody else. If you're gonna rob

806
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: the bank, just leave the car out front and don't

807
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: take anyone because they're going to tell on you. That's

808
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,720
Speaker 1: the first thing. The second thing is keep it simple, stupid.

809
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: Keep it simple, stupid. Do not go into the interrogation

810
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: room believing that you can trick them. You cannot trick

811
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: those investigators. That's all they do all day long, is

812
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: here people lie. It's just like I know, you know

813
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: when people are lying in an interview I do. I

814
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: interview people and I'm like, this is not a true story.

815
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: Or this is a TV version of the story. They

816
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: know right. I want to ask you something because you

817
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 1: use this word a couple of times throughout the interview journalism.

818
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: Do you think there are still such things as objective journalism?

819
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: Are as everything? It was never objective? It was never objective.

820
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: How can it be? We're humans. We go home to

821
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: our lives. We go home. So you're telling me it's

822
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: like when you know, going back to my show, um,

823
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 1: when they say to the jury strike what you just heard?

824
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: How do you how? So we go in with our biases,

825
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: we go in with our beliefs, we go in with

826
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: our perspective, and how you extract that would make you

827
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: one of the most incredible people ever in That would

828
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: be Jesus, because I don't think it's possible. And now

829
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: you can try to suppress some of it. But going

830
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: back to you know, the book that I wrote, and

831
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: when we talked about missing black and brighton, people pick

832
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: white blonde women to leave for a reason, that's not

833
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: that's a bias, because you'll believe that the audience values

834
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,720
Speaker 1: that life more or will not turn it from that story.

835
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: That's the reason why people I was on a couple

836
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: of shows and people, Well, why do you think this

837
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 1: continues to happen? We know the answer, why so then

838
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: why does that happen? Because people have biases. They see

839
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 1: that looks like my daughter, That could be my kid,

840
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: she looks just like my daughter's friend. Oh my gosh,

841
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: that could happen in my neighborhood. Reporters are just people.

842
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: It's impossible, And I know a lot of my colleagues

843
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: will greatly disagree with me and may not be happy

844
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: with me saying that I've been in newsrooms for thirty years.

845
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: I'm in the newsroom with people, not robots, and you

846
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,839
Speaker 1: hear and see every day. And that doesn't mean it's

847
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: a negative, right, because sometimes your perspective and bias can help.

848
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: But there's no way, there's no How do you trust

849
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: any of these networks CNN, MSNBC, Fox, because it's all

850
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: opinion based. How do I know that it is giving

851
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: me the facts as they know them? You don't. I mean,

852
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: you're asking me a beginning of time question that this is.

853
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: I mean, journalism didn't start with MSNBC. I know people

854
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: believe that, but it did not. I mean the history

855
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: of journalism, muck raking. You know, look at we even

856
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 1: talk about dirty politics. I won't bore you, but take

857
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: a second and look at the Thomas Jefferson attacks. I mean,

858
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: just it is. It's incredible. So I feel like, not

859
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: to oversimplify, but just even Alexander Hamilton and everyone loves Hamilton,

860
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: when I bring that up, that was a dirty politics.

861
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't new journalism being used to demean

862
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: Look at some of the people love cartoons, you know,

863
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: political cartoons. You've seen some of the political cartoons of

864
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: Irish people, Italian people, black people. We talk a lot

865
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: about how we were made to look in political cartoons,

866
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: these exaggerated, you know, monstrous ways. This is a part

867
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: of political agenda since people could pick up a pin

868
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: in a paper without words. So the idea that CNN,

869
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: MSNBC or fix started this is ridiculous. And the idea

870
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 1: that human beings who come in from very different worlds

871
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: and sometimes the people they're reporting on. I just saw

872
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: a whole conversation about monetizing journalism. We know people you

873
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: and I in journalism who make sixty million dollars. What

874
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: are you going to do to keep that sixty million

875
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: dollars hit? You're not You're gonna do what you need

876
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: to do. You're gonna go on TV and say some

877
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,800
Speaker 1: crazy things if that's what you're paying to say. Anything

878
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: that's monetized is corruptible. Anything that's monetized is tainted. And

879
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 1: when you make millions of millions of dollars as a journalists,

880
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: which I hope too, it's going to impact you. It is,

881
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: and that's a lie. And when people say that it

882
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: doesn't you make eight million dollars a year, what are

883
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: you going to do to keep making that eight million?

884
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 1: First of all, why why And I say that knowing

885
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: again that I want all of us to have eight

886
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: to twenty thirty million dollars contracts? But why if you're

887
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: not a war correspondent, right, because those people are putting

888
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: it in on the line. What you see out of

889
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: Ukraine is incredible reporting that I don't and I couldn't

890
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: ever do. But I do think that that's not though

891
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: to say that there aren't honest journalists. I think most

892
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: journalists are honest. Honest and bias are two different things.

893
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: So what is a journalist because I feel like all

894
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: of them are bias? Oh, what is a journalist? It's

895
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: somebody who reports what they see and what they hear,

896
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: and that's what we're supposed to be doing. Now, what

897
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: is opinion? That's different. But a journalist. I just did

898
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: an interview with Cheek and Cootie. They did the documentary.

899
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: It's phenomenal. It's phenomenal documentary. They are journalists to me.

900
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: They picked up a camera and they journaled and chronicled

901
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: the rise of Kanye West into what he is now,

902
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: which I believe is a genius. So they follow that.

903
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: That's journalism to me. Anybody that can pick up their

904
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: phone and the citizen reporters half of the crimes again

905
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: black people related to police or because one person, George Floyd,

906
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: she picked up the camera, you know what I mean,

907
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: she's a journalist. She's also brave and a transformational person

908
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: in this conversation of police brutality. But at the end

909
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: of the day, she was a journalist. She picked up

910
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: that phone and chronicled what she saw in an unbiased way,

911
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: but then turned it over from the perspective of being

912
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,760
Speaker 1: black and knowing that that could have been her too.

913
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: So I think anyone can be a journalist. Opinion is

914
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: very different, and that's you know, after seven PM or whatever, yeah,

915
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 1: I feel like everything is opinion based. Man, No, I

916
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: don't think that's true. I don't think there's a clear

917
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: difference I feel between what happens from nine until five

918
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, and then after five. I think I think

919
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: it's I think so that's part of my representation matters

920
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: so much, because we do have our own biases that

921
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: we bring with us. Like you said, but she went,

922
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: people that also have a similar experience because of the

923
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: way they tell the story is different. Well, I think

924
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: if someone is from the outside that maybe doesn't understand

925
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: cultural things. Well, I think it's a complicated answer because

926
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: I just had somebody on recently who said, you know, well,

927
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: as a white guy, I was in over my skis

928
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 1: to talk about George Floyd, and I said, wait, but

929
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 1: you can't view it that way either, because I don't

930
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: need to walk in your shoes to tell you that

931
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: it's wrong. So, for example, I'm a kid from you know, Texas,

932
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: rural Texas. The only Jewish person I knew growing up

933
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: was Jesus. Right when I first learned about the Holocaust,

934
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: I think it was in the fifth grade. My teacher

935
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: didn't have to tell me that was wrong. My teacher

936
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: didn't have to say, oh my god, I didn't need

937
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: to be Jewish, practice the faith, practice the culture, go

938
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: to a sad or dinner or any of that. I

939
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: knew what I saw on there was wrong. So I

940
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: don't personally need to walk a white colleague through why

941
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 1: George Floyd was wrong. And you can't let people off

942
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: the hook by saying, oh, well, no, I think you

943
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: still have responsive ability to report and know when something's wrong.

944
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: But I also feel like somebody that can relate to

945
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: something more when I watch that type of reporting. Yes,

946
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: it's important to have absolutely like if you have somebody

947
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: who's from say they're talking about our mayor Eric Adams,

948
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: and you have somebody that's from here that as opposed

949
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: to somebody that's from Texas. Yeah, yeah, I agree, it

950
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: is a little bit. It is absolutely different. I think though,

951
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: what what what happens though, is people then use it

952
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: as an excuse not to know right. Right. So I'm

953
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: a reporter from Texas. It was my job to learn

954
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: New York. It was my job to learn Flatbush or

955
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: Crown Heights. It was my job. So I can't go

956
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: into my newsroom and say, oh, I'm from Texas. So

957
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm bowing out. And when it comes to race and gender,

958
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of people bow out and use

959
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: that as an excuse. Well, I'm not a woman, so

960
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: I'll never know. Well, you know a woman, I'm not block,

961
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: so I'm in over my ski. So I really am

962
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: gonna I can't talk about that because I don't know.

963
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 1: You're a human. You're a human, You're a human, and

964
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: so I just I am always careful of when people

965
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: talk about you know that, because they use it as

966
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: an excuse for them not to know. Our diversity is

967
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 1: important in the room for exactly what you said. It

968
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: sometimes is used against us in the sense that it

969
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: lets people off the hook for them not to learn.

970
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 1: That's why guy loves seeing the conversations where they have

971
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: panels and different people, different perspectives can talk about the

972
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: same Well, that's why this show works. I mean, that's

973
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: why you're a hugely successful show because you come in,

974
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: you bring your perspective, DJ and you guys bring your perspective.

975
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: And that's why a show like this And I'm not

976
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: just saying it because I'm here as a guest, this

977
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: is what one day. People might not agree with something

978
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: you say. They like what he says back. That's why

979
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: The View was such a hugely popular show. That and

980
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:48,799
Speaker 1: that's why everyone tried to do panel shows. The key

981
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: those you have to have the right components, and you

982
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: have the ability and agency to speak up just as

983
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: much as they do, which makes the show compelling. You're

984
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: not just the woman they're representing us. You're a strong

985
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: voice representing us. We see Williams last week. I was

986
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: important for you to do that. Wendy has done something.

987
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 1: There are there's a morgue of dead daytime careers, you

988
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:15,800
Speaker 1: know where people yea, I can tell you listen to rappers.

989
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: You in the morgue of dead daytime me. I was

990
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: like COURTV slash rappers, I'm leaving. I'm taking Drake my

991
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: bad bird Man flap. No what I said, no, because

992
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: I really it's not the kind of show I would

993
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: have done. I'm gonna be very honest. But she did

994
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: it so brilliantly and did it for over a decade,

995
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: and when people would say, oh she was this, she

996
00:50:55,600 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: was Nobody should be feeling sorry for um. Howard Stern, No,

997
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: A list celebrities still go on his show despite things

998
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 1: that he said, and he's the king of media. And

999
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: I would hear people say I don't want to go

1000
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: on Wendy, but they would go on his show. And

1001
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: I thought, this is a double standard. She is doing

1002
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: the shocking style of performance, which is exactly what he did.

1003
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: But she was somehow penalized in the eyes of some people.

1004
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:30,240
Speaker 1: But she stayed on for thirteen years, she survived. Google

1005
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: how many failed daytime shows happen while she was on

1006
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: doing more with less. It was a chair and a

1007
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:46,120
Speaker 1: woman who was an excellent performer in that style of television,

1008
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: and she deserves that acknowledgement. I'm getting out hot now bad.

1009
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: I just feel like people, like I said, listen, there

1010
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: are a lot of things that I did not agree with,

1011
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: and they're the Whitney Houston think bugs me to this day. Um,

1012
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: and there are a lot of other things, but that's said.

1013
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 1: I felt there was an unfair level unfair, a level

1014
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 1: of unfairness directed at her style when a comparable peer

1015
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: who did a similar show was still seen as a

1016
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 1: list what do you what do you think she'd be next?

1017
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: For her? She'd do it. I've been hearing about the view.

1018
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. I don't know because I don't

1019
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: know what it is, right. I mean, she was on

1020
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 1: with t J. Holmes. I commented only because she came

1021
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: out on with t J. Holmes and and talk with

1022
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: him on Good Morning America. I don't know, I don't know,

1023
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: I it. You know, I've I've only met her a

1024
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: couple of times, and I'm the last time I saw her,

1025
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: we were in Philadelphia and she was at the train

1026
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: depot with some friends. I guess they were her team,

1027
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: some members of her team. And you know, she was like,

1028
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: I look terrible right now, you know, don't look mine.

1029
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: And she started telling me about the the thyroid and

1030
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: what and I you know, I don't know. It breaks

1031
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: my heart. It breaks my heart, it really does. And

1032
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: I don't know as well as you do, Um, but

1033
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: it does. And I'm I don't know, I don't everybody knows.

1034
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: You were close with Prince. Do you feel like his

1035
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: legacy is being represented correctly? Well? I think he had

1036
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: a choice, um to map out a better plan, and

1037
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: he chose not to map out a better plan. And

1038
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: he's very the smartest human being I've ever met. Second,

1039
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: and Nick Cannon. Don't try to say about Nick Cannon. Um,

1040
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: it's brilliant and princes second, And I'm kidding, I said

1041
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon was second. No, he thought out everything, every detail,

1042
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 1: and I cannot imagine that it did not once cross

1043
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: his mind that he did not have a plan for

1044
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: what happens. So I guess I choose to zoom that

1045
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,839
Speaker 1: he didn't care what was going to happen. Well, maybe

1046
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't know the end is coming. You think

1047
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: you have time. That's all he talked about. Was then, really, yeah,

1048
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: the afterlife? What is that like? Yeah? No, he talked

1049
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,439
Speaker 1: about a lot that this is not the end game place, right,

1050
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: that there is much more for us to know spiritually

1051
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: and to be connected to spiritually. I don't think he

1052
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: was as tied to these things as we believe, and

1053
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: that's why he left these things for others to deal with.

1054
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: I don't believe he was as tied to it as

1055
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: people thought. With the show, someone they knew, there was

1056
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: a personal incident that kind of made you gravitate towards

1057
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: this series as well. Right, Yes, we've talked a little

1058
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: bit about it before. My sister was murdered in an

1059
00:54:53,719 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: unsolved crime and the person of interest, the only person

1060
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: of interest was someone in her life, and so that

1061
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: goes back to what we were talking about, who amongst

1062
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: you could turn into somebody that you don't recognize, and

1063
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 1: so I don't. I was not there on the night

1064
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: that she lost her life, but it was very much

1065
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: aware over our years. My sage was extremely beautiful, so

1066
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: vibrant and fun like she know how to player, you know,

1067
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 1: and just like the really a life of the party

1068
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: kind of person. But she had in her past had

1069
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: some very violent relationships and it wasn't just one. And

1070
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: so what I started to talk about more than the

1071
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: night that she lost her life with things that I

1072
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: was present too, and I was there when things happened

1073
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: to her that were horrifying, and it did make me

1074
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:59,240
Speaker 1: wonder about safety as a woman and all of those things.

1075
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, what's what's your experience been like, you know,

1076
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 1: hosting the Tamarin Also, what's been the biggest challenge? Oh?

1077
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: Standing standing up for yourself? You know, I mean we

1078
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: all have shows that we had ideas that we want

1079
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 1: to do and then people start coming in the room,

1080
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 1: they try to change you or change how you handle

1081
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: the show or what I think that I'm I'm happy

1082
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: that I have the show now in that my back

1083
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: was against the wall when I started it, so I

1084
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: navigate more strategically and more confidently. What I mean by

1085
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: that is sometimes people don't agree with decisions that are made,

1086
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: but I stand up for myself. I'm not going to

1087
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 1: shrink down, and I'm not going to I went into

1088
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: rooms with people and fought for this show to be

1089
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 1: on TV, so I'm not going to lean out of

1090
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 1: that for anybody. But I'm always open to ideas. But

1091
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: the hardest part, really, other than a global pandemic, has

1092
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: been just expectations, right, expectations of myself and what I

1093
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: have of my staff. And when you talk about double standards,

1094
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: when you boss up in that way, oh my gosh,

1095
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 1: you types. It's crazy. I read things. It's an ongoing

1096
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: joke now with me and my team. I walk in,

1097
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: I go, am I scary as they say, I am there.

1098
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: I learned by the second season. I just learned that

1099
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: it was a template, right, this is what they do.

1100
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, now the show is popular, she's out there.

1101
00:57:25,120 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: What are we gonna say? Difficult? Angry? This that toxic

1102
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And don't get me wrong, to someone

1103
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: working as hard as we do may be their definition

1104
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: of toxic. I don't know, so I would never tell

1105
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: someone how to feel, and if that's how you feel,

1106
00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: I always listen to the staff. I'm there to have

1107
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: the conversation. But if you believe that we are going

1108
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: to give our audience a product that is beneath them,

1109
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: we're not doing that. I mean we call our audience

1110
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: the tam Fam. I work every day to make sure

1111
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 1: that when guest like you come, I said, Charlemagne's coming out,

1112
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: I don't want people just to think that he is

1113
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: a shock jock or whatever their perception. He has layers.

1114
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: He's a husband, he's a dad. That's why we brought

1115
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 1: you on on the show that you were on, because

1116
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: I said in a room and said, he's not one dimensional.

1117
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: I don't want him on for two minutes to come

1118
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: on and talk about some headline that he said this

1119
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 1: about somebody and got into it or somebody. No, I

1120
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: want the audience to know him. You know, people still

1121
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 1: come up to me now and talk to me about

1122
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,800
Speaker 1: that episode episode about mental health people, I mean random

1123
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: people in an airport. I saw you on tammeron Hall

1124
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: talking about mental healthy. Well that's interesting. Because I actually

1125
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: had and i'll take you behind the scenes. I had

1126
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: not a clash, but I had to sit down a

1127
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: producer and say, this is what we're doing with him,

1128
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 1: because it was important to show you as the multidimensional

1129
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: human being that you are not Oh, this guy on

1130
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: the radio that I may or may not have heard of.

1131
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: You are internationally famous. This show is internationally no. But

1132
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: that said, everybody don't know you. So you got to

1133
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: take him through the journey. And so for me that

1134
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: was important. Now, that might have been a hard segment

1135
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: for that producer because it took more time, but it

1136
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: paid off and they loved the segment, and I was happy.

1137
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: You love the segment and the audience resonated. So you

1138
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: know nothing. You don't get to do something easy and

1139
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: just expect there to be rewards. You go looking at

1140
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: her watch. I know you got to know. Damn. You

1141
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: could have just said the man who would have jumped

1142
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 1: in the ocean for me, you know how to swim now,

1143
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: so you don't know you think you wouldn't take you.

1144
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: We just don't know how. Don't you said something earlier?

1145
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: We're fools and we'll punk them, Like what does that

1146
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 1: show you said something earlier that made me think because

1147
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: you said it was something about loving fear, and I

1148
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: was like, well, what I fear overpowers love. I think

1149
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: it's better to be feared. But I'm saying, in that moment,

1150
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: you could love this person. Quit trying to make excuse No,

1151
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: I can't saying. It's just like, oh, I need to

1152
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: hear both sides. You need to hear an objective journalists.

1153
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: It's an opinion of journalist. What other side? What could

1154
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 1: he tell you? I was terrified that jumping in as

1155
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 1: a trained lifeguard to save her, he didn't even have

1156
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 1: to go reach for me. Maybe just peddle around me

1157
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: and say, babe, it's gonna be okay. You're they're gonna

1158
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 1: pull you out. What if you threw a rope, rope,

1159
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: go get your If it throws on rope, okay, I'm

1160
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: gonna wrap it around my waist, pull me in. No

1161
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: damn it. Before you leave. I had one more question,

1162
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: because if you know you're looking at your watch, I'm

1163
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: not looking at my watch. My husband call um. So

1164
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: what do you do when somebody tells you there's a

1165
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: guest coming on and they don't want to talk about

1166
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: a certain topic, right, do you? Oh? I think about that.

1167
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 1: I do, because, for example, some guests don't like talking

1168
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 1: about XS and thearing the current relationship. I agree with that.

1169
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: I would never have DJ Envy on about another relationship

1170
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: because he's not his wife is there. I always tell

1171
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: people like they'll have a we'll have a guest on

1172
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: and they'll say, let's ask about you know the man

1173
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: she dated three years ago that happened to be famous

1174
01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: or whatever, And I said, but she's not with him now.

1175
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: Imagine going to a dinner party and I ask you

1176
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: in front of your new guy about the guy three

1177
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 1: times back. That's rude. And so I feel like there's

1178
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: got to be some decency for me, right, And I

1179
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: don't want anybody to feel ambushed. I mean, we had

1180
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,800
Speaker 1: Andrew Gillman. I mean that was a tough one and

1181
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: people were mad that I didn't say, well are you gay?

1182
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: And I'm like, why did I need to ask that question?

1183
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: That wasn't He told me what he wanted me to know, right,

1184
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:49,080
Speaker 1: And I can still do a thoughtful interview. There are

1185
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 1: certain things that I'm happy we didn't talk about here

1186
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: because it's just I'm not afraid of any answer. But

1187
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: we know we live in a clickbait work, right, and

1188
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 1: so you both are going to be guests on my

1189
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,000
Speaker 1: show very soon. I could have my team dig up

1190
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: all kinds of well once I read on the Shade

1191
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: Room and I saw this, and dada, what purpose does

1192
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: that serve any of us? So for me, I want

1193
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: you to feel safe. I want you to feel that

1194
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: there's grace and mistakes. That's why I said with Nick

1195
01:02:22,080 --> 01:02:25,959
Speaker 1: Cannon being able to get back on air, he deserved

1196
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: that shot. I want to interview Kanye West. I don't

1197
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: agree with some of the incoming traffic that's coming his way.

1198
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: I think people deserve grace. I think they deserve space.

1199
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: But that said, when you have a high profile individual,

1200
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: they should be prepared to answer tough question. Yeah. I

1201
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 1: thought you gave Andrew a lot of grace and I

1202
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: liked how you handled that because it didn't feel exploitive.

1203
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,000
Speaker 1: And that's what I don't want to do, right And

1204
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: even when people and you guys do a great job,

1205
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: when folks come in here and they're in the midst

1206
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: of a scandal, they should be prepared. Oprah says, you

1207
01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 1: cannot tell me what to ask you. You are in

1208
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: charge of how you answer right, and so I always

1209
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 1: come in knowing that people might ask me something that

1210
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: I'm not like. I don't fully talk about prints for

1211
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons, but I don't. But I'm always

1212
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: prepared um for it. So they should be prepared. We're

1213
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: big kids, We're on a big stage. You got a

1214
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: big stage, and if you want to stand on that stage,

1215
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: you got to be ready for the questions. And so

1216
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: that's how I approach the show. Some people have been

1217
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: nasty about it, and I just decline their appearance. I

1218
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 1: just say, we can't. We can negotiate, and I some

1219
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: people will say, oh, I can't talk about it for

1220
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 1: legal reasons. I know when they're not telling the truth

1221
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: about that, and I'll say, okay, well let what about this.

1222
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:35,680
Speaker 1: But if there's a hard know and it's important to

1223
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 1: the audience to know, then I would rather pass. And

1224
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: I have said come back when you're ready to talk. Okay,

1225
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: And congratulations on everything too, last seasons and new show

1226
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 1: Sunday nights, Sunday nights, UM and Sport TV. I'm super

1227
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,959
Speaker 1: excited about that, the Tamerin Hall Show, the book. But again,

1228
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: thank you guys. This is my first time. I was

1229
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: a little bit nervously, not scared nervous because none of

1230
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: you would jump in the water to say, man, I

1231
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: knew that I can't many. Well, I'm happy because now

1232
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be ill and I went one and be like,

1233
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a number. We're in the middle of

1234
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: Mexico and the ocean. All I can do and Ngel,

1235
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 1: I love you. You're gonna be on my show soon.

1236
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: DJ Envy, Charlamagne come back anytime. Thank you so much,

1237
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: and please do not start any static with me and

1238
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon. I have nothing to do with that. Whatever

1239
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: comes to, it will come to. All I can do

1240
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: is ask the questions, camera, give me my bag, bron James.

1241
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: I'm calling it the Breakfast