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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where our favorite pope is still Leonard.

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Speaker 1: I'm Greg Rosenthal here in the garage talking to my

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Speaker 1: friend Nick Schuk. Can you name an NFL team Leonard

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Speaker 1: Pope played for? Nick? Oh, it escapes me right now.

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Speaker 2: I started to thinking about John Paul.

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Speaker 1: Come on, name physical receive hurdles for the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: Very good. I bounced around a couple of years after that,

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Speaker 1: but might have gotten drafted like the fourteenth round of

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Speaker 1: your fantasy league in like two thousand and seven. Let's

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Speaker 1: not talk about the Pope. Let's talk about some rookies

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Speaker 1: with sneaky big roles. A little later today, Shooky will

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Speaker 1: also do a little bit of news. It is the

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Speaker 1: final show of the week, but it is the first

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Speaker 1: show with Nick Schuck. We are just living in a

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Speaker 1: world where we're trying not to talk about the NBA

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Speaker 1: to each other.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Greg and I are both down bad right now, folks,

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Speaker 2: And hopefully well, no, by the time you hear this,

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Speaker 2: they probably won't have played the game yet. We're praying

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Speaker 2: at this point, we're praying for the basketball gods to

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Speaker 2: swing in our favor.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we will see over the weekend if it gets

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Speaker 1: any better, But let's start with the news. A couple

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Speaker 1: items from Thursday caught my attention. Both with the Carolina Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Brooks, their second round pick from a year ago,

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Speaker 1: was placed on the physically unable to perform list at

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Speaker 1: this point in the off season. Being put on that

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Speaker 1: list means he is out for the twenty twenty five season,

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Speaker 1: which is tough that I wasn't expecting it, but when

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Speaker 1: I looked and he had his torn acl last December,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense. More surprising shook was that Jedevian Clowney

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Speaker 1: got cut. What was your first reaction to Clowney getting

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Speaker 1: released at this point in the off season by the Panthers.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's The timing was strange considering it's

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Speaker 2: early May, but it's also a familiar territory for Clowney,

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Speaker 2: who has signed in April or later in four of

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Speaker 2: the last five years. He's a guy who takes a

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Speaker 2: bit of a Michael Strahan approach and rides out free

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Speaker 2: agency quite a while before joining a team. But to

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Speaker 2: get cut at this time interesting. Now, it's a post

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Speaker 2: draft move, and they did spend a couple of picks

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Speaker 2: on edge rushers to replace him. So it makes sense

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Speaker 2: on paper. It also makes sense considering he's thirty two

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Speaker 2: years old and you can save seven point seven to

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Speaker 2: seventy five million dollars in cap space. Timing again is

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Speaker 2: weird because where you're going to spend that necessarily in May.

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Speaker 2: But he's a veteran who has been at a number

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Speaker 2: of different places. I think he's been with five teams

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Speaker 2: over the last six years, and this is essentially who

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Speaker 2: he is now. His decision to go to Carolina was

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Speaker 2: an opportunity to play football close to where he went

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Speaker 2: to college in South Carolina, and it made sense at

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Speaker 2: the time. But with one year left on his deal,

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Speaker 2: they said, we're going to save the money and give

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Speaker 2: our young guys a shot and give you an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to go chase the ring with a contender.

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah. So a little context, he was coming

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Speaker 1: off one of his best seasons ever with the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: He had seventy eight pressures just two seasons ago, and

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Speaker 1: so he got a two year contract for the first

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Speaker 1: time in a while. But he doesn't get to the

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Speaker 1: second year of it. But it had twelve million dollars guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: so he has some guaranteed money into this year. I

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Speaker 1: was surprised just because they don't really need the cap

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Speaker 1: But yeah, we're doing this segment on rookies who have

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Speaker 1: that team. Nick Scorton. It was taken in the second round,

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Speaker 1: Princely Uman Miellen was taken in the third round, and

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Speaker 1: they'll both have bigger opportunities. So I guess that's how

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Speaker 1: I looked at it. Also, Clowney wasn't quite as good

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Speaker 1: last year, only forty four pressures, didn't play quite as much,

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Speaker 1: not as effective, but still effective enough. Like I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get signed somewhere. It really gives me all

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Speaker 1: I put him at number eighty four. I felt like

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Speaker 1: I'm always very high on Clowney, but at this point

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Speaker 2: Five and a half sacks last year, But you were

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Speaker 2: right about the pressures they dropped off and it doesn't

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Speaker 2: way for Aiden Hudson to return from that leg injury.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I immediately think of you know, where did it

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Speaker 1: think could still use an edge They can really address

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Speaker 1: ended up there the Brooks News. You know, once you

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Speaker 1: was terrible process by Dan Morgan in his very first

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Speaker 1: for an injured running back. That is the definition of

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Speaker 1: bad process. And so I know it didn't work out

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Speaker 1: But also it was a terrible on paper first draft

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me think back to God. This was

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Speaker 2: probably twelve thirteen years ago and the Browns spent a

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Speaker 2: pick on Tennessee running back Ontario Hardesty, who had wow

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Speaker 2: turns out better for Brooks. But when you're going for

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Speaker 1: Wait wait for him to come to you. Six picks

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Speaker 1: And yeah, that the rest of that first Dan Morgan

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Speaker 1: I like Sanders two. Actually we'll see though, But that's

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Speaker 1: on paper, not a great looking draft class so far.

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill had another surge, and our guy Tom Pellisero

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Speaker 1: immediately said this was always in the plans. Don't worry

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, Like on the operating table, I don't know

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Speaker 1: it just highlights the weird situation. I dove into his contract. Nick,

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Speaker 1: He's guaranteed twenty seven million dollars this year based on

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Speaker 1: some reason, they can save thirty six million dollars next

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Speaker 1: year by cutting or trading him with not a ton

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Speaker 1: of dead money. He has due fifty one million dollars

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Speaker 1: to be Tyreek Hill's last season in Miami.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unless you get into the area of restructure. But

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Speaker 2: feels like that. It's a weird time in Miami right

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Speaker 1: Over the last few years.

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Speaker 2: So not the best time in Miami right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't love a situation like that

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Speaker 1: that's a possible outcome. But they're like a sneaky candidate

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Speaker 2: Blow it up, Yeah, big, big blow it up vibes coming.

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Speaker 2: It's it could just go like really wrong. I don't

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Speaker 2: He's my guy, he's everyone's guy, He's America's guy. I

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Speaker 2: just wanted to shout out Travis Hunter for getting his

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Speaker 1: And I didn't know this. He was an academic All

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Speaker 1: man do? Nick Shook, I don't think I got your

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Speaker 1: opinions on the trade down, but it's just another reminder

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Speaker 1: what were they doing trading out of it? I know

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Speaker 1: you shouldn't be drafted him because he was academic All American.

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Speaker 1: I just mean, it actually does mean something to me

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Speaker 1: that he just seems like a culture changer in addition

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Speaker 1: to all of his talent, and so that graduation today

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Speaker 1: think I had your take on whether you were pissed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not often that a star gets the NFL

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Speaker 2: and appears built to handle the spotlight and you know,

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Speaker 2: be a culture changer. Like you said, they're pretty rare.

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Speaker 2: They're few and far between. But as it pertains to

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Speaker 2: thought it was a wise move because they are not

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Speaker 2: just seemed like a reach, like they were buying too

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's an instinctive linebacker who I think can step

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Speaker 1: Right for me, at least, how I approach this exercise

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Speaker 2: It's almost like you're looking at my notes, because my

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Speaker 2: He's a pro built back. He doesn't have the breakaway

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Speaker 1: So definitely watch him. Yeah, I'm interested where he'll go

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Speaker 2: That is so unfair to Naja Harris because they ran

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Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds more of a blocker, like a fourth receiver

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Speaker 1: type who's been pushed up. Right now, Alan Lazard's on

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Speaker 1: the roster. I don't know if he's going to be

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Speaker 1: on the roster in Week one. Like Malachi Corley, their

436
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Speaker 1: third round pick from a year ago, is kind of

437
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Speaker 1: a gadget guy. We'll see if he works out, wasn't

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Speaker 1: taken by this group? Tyler Johnson like, there is a

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Speaker 1: path here, gadget guy too, right, there is a path

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Speaker 1: here for Mason Taylor to be second on the team

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Speaker 1: in targets, which is a lot to ask of a

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Speaker 1: rookie tight end. And I don't think it would be

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Speaker 1: a traditional second receiver, but you could see him having

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Speaker 1: seventy eighty targets.

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Speaker 2: It's got the hands for it, and I think that's

446
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Speaker 2: the most important part, is that he's a consistent pass

447
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Speaker 2: catcher who can make excellent catches and that will help tremendously.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and we'll come back with

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Speaker 1: some more rookies that we're expecting to have sneaky big roles.

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Speaker 1: Back on NFL Daily with one of the foremost draft

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Speaker 1: minds in the game, nfl dot Com Zone, Nick Chuck.

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Speaker 1: Why are you making a face? I mean, you're the

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Speaker 1: one at the combine all there. Yeah, you're the one

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Speaker 1: they trust.

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Speaker 2: I was ready to make a bold joke, so that

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Speaker 2: works instead.

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Speaker 1: Looking at some rookies with sneaky big role, and Matthew

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Speaker 1: Golden kind of stood out to me. I know, he's

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Speaker 1: a first round pick. So he has a lot of buzz.

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Speaker 1: So does he qualify for sneaky? I think so because

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Speaker 1: I think you look at this Packers receiver group and

462
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Speaker 1: you think, Okay, we're just adding another log on the fire.

463
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Speaker 1: It's all these guys who are solid players, and it's

464
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Speaker 1: a good, deep group. But we've thought so differently about

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Speaker 1: this group now than a year ago. Think about it. Ship, Okay,

466
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Speaker 1: Christian Watson, we don't know if he's going to be

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Speaker 1: healthy at all this year, so you kind of don't

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Speaker 1: feel the same at all about him. Romeo Dobbs coming

469
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Speaker 1: to the end of his deal, I think we know

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Speaker 1: who he is, which is a solid role player who

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Speaker 1: is pretty good at contested catches and red zone and stuff,

472
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Speaker 1: but not really a complete player. Hasn't developed past it.

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Speaker 1: Jaden Reid had a little bit of a step back.

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Speaker 1: They kind of drafted a guy who was similar to

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Speaker 1: him and Savion Williams at least in terms of role

476
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Speaker 1: and so that makes me think they don't really think

477
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Speaker 1: that highly of Jayden Reid. And then Dantavian Wicks just

478
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Speaker 1: had a bad year last year, and so Golden is

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Speaker 1: the guy of all these guys who actually can do

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Speaker 1: everything that can stay on the field every snap and

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Speaker 1: that they could use to step in and be a

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Speaker 1: legit difference maker right away. Do you think he has

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Speaker 1: the skill set to do so coming out of Texas?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, in a class that wasn't super strong

485
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Speaker 2: with the position and didn't have like the bona fide

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Speaker 2: number ones that you're drafting the first round.

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Speaker 1: I would say no.

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Speaker 2: But because of the situation he's entering, he's at least

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Speaker 2: walking into an opportunity to separate himself and take command

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Speaker 2: of that role. So I actually really like to pick

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Speaker 2: with this in mind. On other teams, I would not

492
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Speaker 2: say as much, but they need somebody to separate and

493
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Speaker 2: they need somebody to kind of, you know, take over

494
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Speaker 2: as wide receiver one as the top target. Now he's

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Speaker 2: a rookie, so he's not going to have the rapport

496
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Speaker 2: with Jordan Love right off the bat. But if we

497
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Speaker 2: hit like the midway point of the season and we

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Speaker 2: check back on this, you may end up looking really smart.

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Speaker 2: He may end up being in the midst of a

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Speaker 2: breakout rookie year.

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Speaker 1: We should we should do more of that. Looking back

502
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Speaker 1: at our old that this isn't even a take. This

503
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Speaker 1: is more just like I think he matters more then

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Speaker 1: you think. I gave a little wait by the way

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Speaker 1: to teams that have a chance to go deep into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I just thought Matthew Golden either coming out

507
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Speaker 1: the gates swinging like some rookie receivers have lately and

508
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Speaker 1: being a difference maker like really makes this team better.

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Speaker 1: But if he's more of a guy that just ends

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Speaker 1: up fitting in, like they need someone to step up

511
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Speaker 1: and that's a big thing for them. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen. I'm not making any prediction. I'm

513
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Speaker 1: just saying who's important. Give me a name that you

514
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Speaker 1: want to talk about.

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Speaker 2: I love this guy so much in the pre draft process,

516
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Speaker 2: and I was surprised that he fell as far as

517
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Speaker 2: he did in the draft Center Jared Wilson in New England,

518
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Speaker 2: where if you look at their depth chatter on paper.

519
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Speaker 2: Right now, he's not in the starting lineup, but I

520
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Speaker 2: think that could change by the time the season arrives

521
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Speaker 2: and Garrett Bradbury ends up in New England had a

522
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Speaker 2: bit of a step back of sorts. I don't think

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Speaker 2: that his job is solidified necessarily, and it's open for

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Speaker 2: the taking. From a guy like Wilson, who I think

525
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Speaker 2: is going to be a very good center in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot more of projection and kind of optimism,

527
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Speaker 2: little bit of hope, Like I'm wish casting with this

528
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Speaker 2: just because I liked the player so much, But they

529
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Speaker 2: had no stability on the offensive line last year. So

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Speaker 2: if you want to go with your best five, and

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Speaker 2: he's one of your best five, you're going to find

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Speaker 2: a spot for him. And that means all the world

533
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Speaker 2: when it comes to Drake May's development as you try

534
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Speaker 2: to insulate him with protection and weapons around him, So

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Speaker 2: don't be surprised to see him on the field making

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Speaker 2: a difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love what you said about best five

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Speaker 1: because there is a route for you to be right

539
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Speaker 1: that he's starting at left guard too, that if they

540
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Speaker 1: like what they see out of Bradbury at center, that

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Speaker 1: he wins the battle over Cole Strange, who's still on

542
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Speaker 1: this roster. Leyden Robinson is another option who is up

543
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Speaker 1: and down, mostly down as a rookie. Yeah. I like

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Speaker 1: that shout out because for a late third round picker,

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Speaker 1: you know he has a chance to really matter. Another

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Speaker 1: guy kind of like that. I was hoping to get

547
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Speaker 1: some day three guys in here. Elk a human or

548
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Speaker 1: from Stanford. Look, I think he could step in and

549
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Speaker 1: play for the Tennessee Titans. He's a fourth round pick,

550
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Speaker 1: and yet you look at their wide receiver group and

551
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Speaker 1: there is opportunity to play right away. And if you know,

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Speaker 1: you look at what he does well, which is a

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Speaker 1: guy who can fit in today's NFL, being a little

554
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Speaker 1: tighter to the formation, being a good enough blocker. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: he is a little more consistent with his hands. Here's

556
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Speaker 1: who he's competing with, behind Calvin Ridley, Van Jefferson, Tyler Lockett,

557
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Speaker 1: we'll see. I mean, I think they're counting on Tyler Lockett,

558
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Speaker 1: but he's their wide receiver too, and Chamry DK, another

559
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Speaker 1: fourth round pick, and trailing Burks is still on that roster.

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Speaker 1: I just wouldn't be surprised if a human or like

561
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Speaker 1: is out there at the beginning of the season and

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Speaker 1: you're like, oh, there's all these wide receivers who are

563
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Speaker 1: taken really high. But because of opportunity, this guys has

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Speaker 1: a sneaky, big role. Although who knows, maybe it'll be DK.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. If you have a hot take on

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Speaker 1: the Titans wide receiver group, but I did want to

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Speaker 1: get more teams in the mix. We haven't talked a

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Speaker 1: lot of Titans.

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Speaker 2: No, I did like I like DK a lot in

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Speaker 2: the pre draft process as well. But I really like

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Speaker 2: the way you're approaching this, which is your analyzing situation

572
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Speaker 2: more than this player potential, because that's really what it's

573
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Speaker 2: all about. It's all about situation and opportunity. And it's

574
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Speaker 2: definitely there because the Titans have not gotten what they

575
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Speaker 2: wanted out of that receiving core, and then they let

576
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Speaker 2: Nick Westbrook Akine walk, so there's gonna be opportunities to

577
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Speaker 2: earn jobs. And oftentimes you go through camp and we

578
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Speaker 2: get surprised by Wow, this guy rose into the starting lineup,

579
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Speaker 2: or you get the camp heros who never make a difference.

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Speaker 2: I think that there's plenty of room here for him

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Speaker 2: to step in and grab a job and potentially make

582
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Speaker 2: a difference. So I like that choice. I'm going to

583
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Speaker 2: kind of keep it in the same vein here. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna go with Bowling Green tight end Harold Fannon, who

585
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Speaker 2: is now a member of the Browns. And yes they

586
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Speaker 2: have David Djoko on that team, but if you know

587
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Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski's history and the way that he likes to

588
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: actually operate his offense in terms of quarterback style and personnel.

589
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Speaker 2: He loves two tight end groups. He loves twelve personnel,

590
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Speaker 2: and I think that they he's fanned as an ideal

591
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Speaker 2: compliment to David Djoku, and that they can both catch

592
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Speaker 2: a ton of passes. They could both make plays, and

593
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Speaker 2: you can use them in every down, in every situation.

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Speaker 2: And ideally, if you don't have the quarterback stability you

595
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Speaker 2: want to be in short yardage situations, you want to

596
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Speaker 2: pound the run, you want to be able to make

597
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Speaker 2: the game manageable. Well you can do that by relying

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Speaker 2: on a couple of tight ends. And the Djoku, while

599
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Speaker 2: he's had the highlight reel plays, has not had the

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Speaker 2: most consistent hands over the years, whereas Vannin leads to

601
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 2: in college football and receiving at tight end. So it's like,

602
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: all right, here's the guy we can count on. Here's

603
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Speaker 2: the guy who's probably gonna get a lot more targets.

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Speaker 2: They've been looking for this guy for the last few years.

605
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think back to when they had Jordan

606
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Speaker 2: Akins and they thought he might be the guy. I

607
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,239
Speaker 2: think Fanning can actually step in and be the tight

608
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Speaker 2: end number two that sees the field more often than

609
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Speaker 2: your tip, your traditional team.

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Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated to see how he translates at the

611
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Speaker 1: NFL level. Just a really unique all out.

612
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Speaker 2: Of Isaiah Likely in him. That's what I saw when

613
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Speaker 2: I watched him Brun. I was like, that's Isaiah Likely

614
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Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that I didn't even think to write down

616
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Speaker 1: Shadar Sanders's That's like, he is a fifth round pick

617
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Speaker 1: that everyone is talking about that has a chance to start.

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Speaker 1: I think people are a little over their skis there.

619
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I think the fifth round pick part is

620
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Speaker 1: more important than they.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, Greg real quick, just a

622
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Speaker 2: little anecdote, Livy. In Cleveland, there is a bus that

623
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Speaker 2: drives through the neighborhoods. It's like a tour bust. Somebody's

624
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: telling jokes on it. They call it the funny Bus.

625
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Speaker 1: I hate it.

626
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Speaker 2: I've been roasted by the funny bus walking downtown before. Okay,

627
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: I've been put on the spot by the funny bus.

628
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Speaker 2: I hate it when it drives by, But it drove

629
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Speaker 2: by the other day when I happen to be out

630
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Speaker 2: and about, and this guy leans out there and it's

631
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Speaker 2: just an old school bus that's repainted, leans out the

632
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Speaker 2: window and just goes.

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Speaker 1: Shadoor, Shadoor, Shadoor.

634
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Speaker 2: Like doing the risk celebration. So I turned around and

635
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 2: did it back to him and he got all fired up.

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Speaker 2: That's where this city is right now. They're desperately.

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Speaker 1: You know that, you're the like Nick Schukan NFL guy. Yea, now,

638
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: no excitement, yep, man, that's where we are. I guess

639
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 1: it's good. Then maybe there's less pressure on him as

640
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Speaker 1: a fifth round pick than normal.

641
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Speaker 2: I mean, what can you know there's pressure, it's just

642
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: he's not a first round pick, so the risk is less.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk Xavier Watts. So he's a third

644
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: round safety taken by the Falcons. But when I was

645
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Speaker 1: going through the list of like depth charts and stuffing

646
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Speaker 1: like he has a great chance to start Week one,

647
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Speaker 1: and then you listen to them the way they talked

648
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Speaker 1: about Xavier Watts after the draft, calling him, you know,

649
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: just saying like he's a stud and like really going

650
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: over the top on how he's everything that they're looking

651
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: for in a safety. I think they have primed the

652
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: pump for him to start day one. They have a

653
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: couple of veterans there, like Jordan Fuller, who's bounced around

654
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: the league a little bit. But that's an interesting spot there,

655
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: right next to Jesse Bates that it's a good spot

656
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: to be as a rookie. It's a decent secondary there

657
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: with aj Terrell, like a little top heavy, but you

658
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: have d Alford as a nickelback. But Xavier Wats who

659
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: had a lot of fans at Notre Dame and was

660
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: like Defensive player of the Year in college football two

661
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: years ago. There's one name and one team where like,

662
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna matter for a team that's trying

663
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs this year.

664
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're going to see a lot of

665
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 2: three safety packages with this defense at some point, just

666
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 2: to get guys like him on the field. And Notre

667
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 2: Dame's strike last year was their defense, and he was

668
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: a huge reason why. I was shocked that he fell

669
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: that far overall into the third run. I thought it

670
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: was a great value pick for them as well. And

671
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: he's a player that you see him playing, you're just like, yeah,

672
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: I see how that translates to the next level. I've

673
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: seen safeties like him before make a difference. And I

674
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 2: think he's going to make a difference for them for sure.

675
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: And I think again it's a situation thing where they're

676
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,479
Speaker 2: going to have to find a way to fit him

677
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: on the field. But he's going to be on the field.

678
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: That gets me thinking about their their biggest rivals. I

679
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: mean we should mention Tyler Shuck. Maybe it's not sneaky

680
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: the date Derek Carr situation is just percolating down there

681
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: and not getting a lot of national attention. No idea

682
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: if he's ever going to play for the Saints again,

683
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: no idea what's happening with this injury situation. But here's

684
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck, the fortieth pick in the draft, and I

685
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: don't think they have odds for this anywhere. Maybe they do,

686
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: but if I was betting, I would say he is

687
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: their Week one starter. Yeah, yeah, I'm just I'm sticking

688
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: with that. Like certainly, I think he would be out

689
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: Spencer Rattler because he's their guy, Tyler Shuck as long

690
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: as he stays healthy. And I just don't know what's

691
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: happening with Derek Carr. So there's a guy who's gonna

692
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: have a big role starting quarterback.

693
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was on my list, and I didn't want

694
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 2: to go with him just because he was, you know,

695
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 2: like you said, he was like not sneaky. But I

696
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: totally agree. And it's an interesting examination of how we

697
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: regard quarterbacks in college who transfer a lot, because bo

698
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 2: Nick's transferred from Auburn, where he played a ton to Oregon,

699
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: and Dylan Gabriel has been at three schools, and some

700
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: guys Michael Pennix another one where you're like, this guy's

701
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 2: got a ton of playing experience, he's built for the

702
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 2: pro game. Well, Tyler Shuck's been in college forever and

703
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: we're not regarding him in the same fashion. He can read, write,

704
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: or change the course of that narrative by coming in

705
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: and playing quickly. And I think that there's a good

706
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: chance because of the reasons that you just listed, the.

707
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: Fact that he got taken as high as he did

708
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: at the age he is, you know, people are kind

709
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: of over the age thing. He's what twenty six. The

710
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: difference between him, of course, and Knick specifically Pennex is

711
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: the same way. It's just he hadn't played that much.

712
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: It's like he's been on a lot of schools, but

713
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: he hasn't actually played that much because of the injury,

714
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: so that that's a big time Okay, you don't think

715
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: that's that sneaky. What's what's your like? Cool? Hipster sneaky?

716
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: Oh god, I don't really have a hipster pick. Now

717
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: We've almost run through my entire list, but I'm gonna

718
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: go Colston Loveland because look, give Caleb Williams every available

719
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: weapon that you can find. And this is a guy

720
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: who was among the top tight ends.

721
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: In a deep class.

722
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 2: He's joining a team with Cole Comett on the roster

723
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: and some might look at it as there's Cole Comet's replacement. No,

724
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: that's his compliment. They are going to run together much

725
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: like I projected with the Browns, but with a much

726
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: more creative offense. And you only need to look as

727
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: far as the Detroit Lions for an example of how

728
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: they're going to do it. So I love his fit

729
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 2: in there, and in what is already such a big

730
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: year for Kayleb, Williams, year two proven that he can

731
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: take the next step forward. He needs guys like that

732
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: who he can count on, So that's going to be

733
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: a huge part of them. You know, we talked about that.

734
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: We've talked about Luther Burden, you know their addition of

735
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: him as well in that receiving corps. But don't miss

736
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: the tight ends because I think they're going to be

737
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: a big part of that offense.

738
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree, like Burden, if you get a lot,

739
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: if you get production out of him as a rookie,

740
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: like to me that that's a bonus. You you have

741
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: your receivers that have been in the system. He's going

742
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: to have a certain role. Loveland, I think needs to

743
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: come in and make a difference. I don't think they

744
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: really believe in Cole come Ot long term. That's a

745
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: good shout out, not a hipster one, all right. I've

746
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: got some hipster ones before we go, just to get

747
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: as many teams involved as you could. How about Tate Ratledge,

748
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: the Lions guard from Georgia. You were you a fan

749
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: of him? I mean, I think he's going to start.

750
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 1: I think he's going to start on a Super Bowl contender.

751
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: Graham Glass. Now, when they asked their coach Dan Campbell

752
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: about him in the offseason, well we like that he

753
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: can play center too, that was the first thing he mentioned.

754
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: I think they're kind of done with him being the starter.

755
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: So I think they drafted Ratledge to start, and so

756
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: that's a second round pick that's going to be in

757
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: a big spot for a Super Bowl contender.

758
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that pick. His film is it's I mean,

759
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: everybody loves the mullet. Of course, I loved his workout

760
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: in Indie, but I think his film is interesting because

761
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 2: he's not like Gigantic when it comes to guards. He

762
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 2: moves really well. He wins with angles, and I think

763
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 2: that with the talent that they have, especially with the

764
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: guy like Gibbs, all you need to do is create

765
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 2: a lane, a crease for a guy to run through.

766
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 2: And so I totally agree. I think he was one

767
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: of the better interior offensive lineman. I don't know if

768
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: we talked about him in a pre draft show, but

769
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: he was definitely on my least.

770
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: You like the Georgia guys, I feel like more than

771
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: consensus in general, and you know what, they ended up

772
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: going pretty high, at least the Guards. The Bengals also

773
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,720
Speaker 1: took what is his name, Dylan Fairchild? Yeah, speaking speaking

774
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: of the Bengals, like he could be on that, he

775
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 1: could be on this list too, Like they might start him,

776
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: they might start to meet. They probably are going to

777
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: start Demetrius Knight, who is the linebacker taken after Carson Schwestinger.

778
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 1: He's going to have a big role. Like they need

779
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: their rookies to matter.

780
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 2: I want to keep it in on the offensive line

781
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 2: ranks for a second, because this is not a hipster pick.

782
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: This is not a sneaky pick. But it's a pick

783
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: that I love that I texted you about, that we

784
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: talked about in a pre draft show. And he's going

785
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: to walk into what is it the trio of Tyler's

786
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 2: in Dallas, Tyler Booker. I think that that is going

787
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 2: to be a huge selection for them. You know, they

788
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: needed to replace a spot on the offensive line. They

789
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: go and get him. He's a brawler of an offensive lineman.

790
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 2: I think he's going to fit in really well with

791
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: this line that they've built over the last few years

792
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: as they've seen guys retire or leave for other jobs

793
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: at the end of their careers. And it's the for

794
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: the first time in a long time, I like most

795
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 2: of what the Cowboys have done this offseason, not necessarily

796
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: in free agency, but in the draft and then the

797
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 2: acquisition of George Pickens as well. I just not do

798
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 2: a bit of a hitter.

799
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: You know. It's a big guy who goes back and

800
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: forth with Micah Parsons. He's too high a pick. It's

801
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: not sneaky enough.

802
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but you know what offensive line is always

803
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: sneaky because nobody pays attention offensive line except people like me.

804
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 1: Sick, that's fair pushing back on me. I appreciate it. Yeah,

805
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: a couple more, just as we wrap it up, like

806
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: Obar and Norman Lott was a run stopper for the Chiefs.

807
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: Who's only competition for snaps is like Mike Pennell, who's

808
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: been bouncing around the league, was at one point on

809
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: a practice squad there for the Chiefs. So I think

810
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: he could step in and have a role right away.

811
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: Jalen Royals to their fourth round pick at wide receiver.

812
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: I know they have a lot of receivers on that team,

813
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: but you're bringing back juju. You certainly are trying to

814
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: move on for some of the lesser guys in their roster.

815
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: Like just don't be surprised if Jalen Royals is somehow

816
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: in the mix and some game game that matters for

817
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: the Chiefs down the season, like another receiver Jack Besh

818
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: like they're going to need Jack Besh to matter for

819
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: the Raiders, that's just a team that needs rookies to

820
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: come in and contribute. I mean, Jacoby Myers is their

821
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver, so Jack Besh is number two

822
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: right off the bat. And I even looked at their

823
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: third round cornerback Darian Porter, which a lot of people

824
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: had different opinions on him, and he's probably he's going

825
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: to have every chance to come in and play because

826
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 1: they are just they're just thin at those positions. So

827
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: sometimes it's about opportunity. That's what I thought about Trey

828
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: Harris to the Chargers receiver, Like not a ton of

829
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: competition there, Mike Williams, Quintem Johnson, Johnston, like he could

830
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: step in. You mentioned and I'm just rattling through some

831
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: names here, but you mentioned the Jets tight end Mason Taylor,

832
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Elijah Royo. There's a path to him being like second

833
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: or third in targets in Seattle. So he's a guy

834
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: I think if he can play right away, Like where

835
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: are the receptions coming from? There's a bunch more for you.

836
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got one more hipster pick. We're gonna dive

837
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: deep into the fourth round. And we're gonna do a

838
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 2: bit of a Homer pick here because he's a former

839
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: Kent State Golden Flash who finished his career at Indiana

840
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: Westland Browns.

841
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: No, it is no God, No.

842
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: I would like to avoid the Browns at all costs.

843
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: CJ.

844
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: West, the defensive tackle from India that who spent his

845
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: previous four seasons in Kent, Ohio with the Golden Flashes.

846
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 2: I loved him in the pre draft process. I love

847
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: this tape at Indiana. I loved his workout at the Combine,

848
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: and he goes to San Francisco where if you look

849
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: at them on paper, suddenly they're not as deep on

850
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: the defensive interiors. Think we're just a couple of years ago.

851
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: Right now. Their top two is Jordan Elliott, who kind

852
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 2: of washed out of Cleveland, and Kevin Gibbons, and then

853
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: behind them you got CJ. West and Alfred Collins. Don't

854
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 2: be surprised to see some CJ. West rotational snaps and

855
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 2: him making a difference with the forty nine ers because

856
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: they're going to need it upfront.

857
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 1: I love that pick. They and I kind have mentioned

858
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: a couple of their draft picks as they really drafted MIKEL.

859
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: Williams and Alfred Collins in the first two round to

860
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: really shore up their run defense. That's the last lot

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Speaker 1: to ask for their rookies. So it's an important year

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Speaker 1: for John Lynch's rookie class. But that is a great

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Speaker 1: shout out as they all have been today. Shooky, you'll

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Speaker 1: be back with me on Monday morning. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some fun. We're gonna do some rankings the best position

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Speaker 1: groups in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing I love more than ranking things in May.

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Speaker 1: I love doing some shows with SHOOKI in May. Like

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Speaker 1: I said, we'll be back Monday morning. That is it

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Speaker 1: for this week of shows. I feel good about this week.

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Speaker 1: You suck.

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Speaker 2: I feel great about this week. It's great. It's about

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Speaker 2: to be summer here right.

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Speaker 1: Look when we're trying to find a spot for Genevian

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Speaker 1: Clowney in the top one oh one, like it does

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Speaker 1: feel like football is back. That does it for me.