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Speaker 1: Let's fire it up here at the NFL Combine. We're

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Speaker 1: back on Radio Row. I'm Matt Taylor. This is the

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Speaker 1: Colts Audio Network. JJ Stangabitz from Coolts dot com joining

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Speaker 1: us now Jim Miller and Pat Kerwin. These are the

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Speaker 1: hosts of Moving the Chains from three to seven on

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Speaker 1: Sirius XM NFL Radio. Gentlemen, I think this is our

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Speaker 1: working right here. This is awesome. You guys should just

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Speaker 1: do the show right now. What are you got going on? Hey?

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Speaker 1: We love it. It's about busy week. Well, we've been

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Speaker 1: busy since the championship game. So we covered the championship

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Speaker 1: game on the EFC side of it, then the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 1: which helps us prepare for the Combine, and then we

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Speaker 1: were out at the Super Bowl all week and that

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Speaker 1: was a great event, what a great game. And now

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Speaker 1: here we are. How many combines for you guys here?

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Speaker 1: Thirty three straight for me for you Pat right, thirty

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Speaker 1: three straight Senior Bowls and thirty three straight combine. Oh

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Speaker 1: my gosh. Can you can you imagine the combine not

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Speaker 1: being here having done it? No, I would never leave Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: These people that want it, they don't know what they're

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Speaker 1: really getting into. They don't understand that the hospital part

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Speaker 1: of Indianapolis is the key piece to all this and

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Speaker 1: none of these guys Jerry Jones include they can't deliver

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Speaker 1: the hospitals. Well, I remember it was the old RCA dome.

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Speaker 1: We said we were the only ones that had a

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Speaker 1: to explode and cover themselves. Remember it. It jumped from

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Speaker 1: the original combine that I attended. That was back in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six. I think there was only one

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Speaker 1: so I've done seventeen straight combines. So in that time,

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Speaker 1: for you, when did you really start to see it

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Speaker 1: it busted out where there's over two thousand media credentials

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Speaker 1: handed out. It was crazy. I remember sitting in a

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm banging my head against Al Davis here. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: every there's no bad story that begins with I was

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Speaker 1: that way. And you know, Alan Bill Parcels always sat

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Speaker 1: and go someone would go, see, man, don't do that. No, No,

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Speaker 1: we're here in Indianapolis and we're talking about quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, Jim.

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Speaker 1: What do you see in in this year's quarterback class,

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Speaker 1: specifically when you look at the differences between Bryce Young, C. J. Strout,

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Speaker 1: YEA for all of them. So not very impressed with

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Speaker 1: You know you look at Justin Fields that first year

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Speaker 1: You know what Ohio State do. They look at the sideline,

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Speaker 1: for you both, Jim. I'll start with you. For the Colts.

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Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of speculation on quarterback. They've

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Speaker 1: And now I'm gonna go against what I say is

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Speaker 1: the kid from Alabama. And here's why, because Bill O'Brien

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Speaker 1: he could probably play right away. Jalen Hurts squat seven

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Speaker 1: the Colts do sign a free agent quarterback in the

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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, yeah, that you know that a plan,

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Speaker 1: and that happens before the draft, and that does not

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Speaker 1: preclude the Colts from then drafting a ground I think

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Speaker 1: the right guy who's got you know, I always go

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Speaker 1: back to Mark Sanchez because they took Brunel right, and

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Speaker 1: Brunel was a great mentor for the kid, and expect Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: he'll tell you you're a rookie quarterback. The guy who's

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Speaker 1: you trust the most is the backup quarterback. If he's

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Speaker 1: good to you when you come up with his gonays

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Speaker 1: you missed two cover two checks right right, here's what

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Speaker 1: you're looking at. Do you want that guy, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: That's what they should be thinking about when they bring

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Speaker 1: in the other quarterback for sure, Jim Miller, Pat Kerwin

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Speaker 1: than they are the host on Sirius XM NFL Radio

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Speaker 1: Moving the chains. Guys, enjoy the rest of your stay here.

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