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Speaker 1: at players universally seemingly refusing to show up to voluntary
Speaker 1: let's do the Joey from Friends thing voluntary workouts in
Speaker 1: the National Football League. But go ahead. I was just
Speaker 1: gonna say, Doug, I was gonna say, looking forward to
Speaker 1: the next three hours with you on this show. We
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff to talk about, but I
Speaker 1: do want to say happy Jackie Robinson Day number two
Speaker 1: for you. Major League Baseball decided that it would be
Speaker 1: its usually April fifteenth, which is the day he broke
Speaker 1: into the major leagues in nineteen forty seven and broke
Speaker 1: the colabat area. But they're also doing it today, so
Speaker 1: all the players are wearing number forty two to honor
Speaker 1: such a great man. And tonight, Doug, I'll be the
Speaker 1: guy who can't wait to watch the Padres and Dodgers
Speaker 1: down in San Diego weekend series. The Dodgers have set
Speaker 1: up their rotation with their three best pitchers for a
Speaker 1: series in Week two of the baseball season against uh
Speaker 1: the Padres, and somehow Fernando Tatis is expected to play.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the shoulder popping out ten days ago. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's uh is he Riggs or is he Murtog from uh?
Speaker 1: From Lethal Weapon? I think it was Riggs, right, Mel
Speaker 1: Gibson's character was Riggs. Somebody looked at up. Somebody looked
Speaker 1: that up. Yeah it was it was Riggs. Do you
Speaker 1: know are you were you a Lethal Weapon fan? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I remember that? Tell me what am I missing? Just okay?
Speaker 1: So he used to Mel Gibson's character was Riggs, Riggs
Speaker 1: and Riggs get in here? That right? Okay? So uh
Speaker 1: that was a good suh. It was great. And then
Speaker 1: they added Chris Rock and Joe Pesci like it like
Speaker 1: it really kind of revived the series. Um but but
Speaker 1: you'll blick. But anyway, um uh so anytime they get
Speaker 1: in the high jinks and Riggs would get tied up,
Speaker 1: or one time he was underwater tied up right in
Speaker 1: order to get out of being tied up. Spoiler alert.
Speaker 1: I know it's a twenty five thirty year old movie.
Speaker 1: If somebody was going to be like dog ruined the
Speaker 1: movie for me, that was uh, he could pop his
Speaker 1: shoulder out of socket and then pop his shoulder back
Speaker 1: into socket. Of course, it was only it was only
Speaker 1: in case of emergency. Was like that brake glass only
Speaker 1: in case of ergency. Only pop your shoulder. D Have
Speaker 1: you ever had your shoulder out? Dog? Real quick? Have
Speaker 1: your shoulder thinks? Like I think so, you know, Like,
Speaker 1: but I've never had it to the point where somebody
Speaker 1: goes like, come here, bite down this piece of wood,
Speaker 1: you know, like pops it back in. But I thought
Speaker 1: he was going to be out for upla months. I'm
Speaker 1: just shocked he took batting practice in Pittsburgh earlier this week.
Speaker 1: I'm shocked he's playing and I don't And if they
Speaker 1: were playing to Cleveland Indians this weekend, would he be
Speaker 1: playing it? No? But but they hate but they hate
Speaker 1: the it's Arrivalry's good. Baseball absolutely needs it, absolutely positively
Speaker 1: needs it real quick. On Jackie Robinson, like yes, there's
Speaker 1: a lot to him which is amazing, right, Like he
Speaker 1: was a great tennis player. People forget so when I
Speaker 1: grew up in southern California and he went to John
Speaker 1: Muir High School in Pasadena, and when I was a freshman,
Speaker 1: we played against what I thought was the best basketball
Speaker 1: player ever at John Muir High School, which was Jock Vaughan.
Speaker 1: He played against him. Of them, we ended his career
Speaker 1: in the I think the CI have quarterfinals or whatever. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Jock was amazing, amazing before he went on to him
Speaker 1: And of course now he's an assistant with an associate
Speaker 1: head coach with the Brooklyn Nets. What turns out then
Speaker 1: it was like no, no, no no, Actually, Stacy Agman is well.
Speaker 1: I thought was the greatest modern athlete John Mure High School.
Speaker 1: Stacy Agman was All state in three different sports, and
Speaker 1: they're like, now, nobody is going to be the greatest athlete.
Speaker 1: And John Murrhusk was like why, Like Jackie Robinson went there,
Speaker 1: Like okay, so he's a great baseball player, like no football, basketball, track, baseball,
Speaker 1: and tennis. And then he went to junior college and
Speaker 1: like you know, like now our feelings of junior college are, well,
Speaker 1: you only go there if you're under recruit you have
Speaker 1: no grades. Like that wasn't the case. It was just
Speaker 1: it was just different. And then of course, you know,
Speaker 1: he was an All American in three sports at UCLA,
Speaker 1: so he was in addition to and he served in
Speaker 1: the military, So there really is zero boxes that he
Speaker 1: didn't check. And I don't think anyone who's a reasonable
Speaker 1: human being who knows anything about history, shouldn't say like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, we can go from two days to a
Speaker 1: whole week, it doesn't really matter. He's that impactful human
Speaker 1: being on the sports world, no doubt. And what baseball
Speaker 1: does for him. And you know this, Doug, being a
Speaker 1: former athlete, to have your number retired throughout you know,
Speaker 1: a whole sport tells you your importance and your place
Speaker 1: in history. And nineteen forty seven, I could just that's
Speaker 1: twenty some odd years before the Civil Rights movement. Just
Speaker 1: think about what America was like in nineteen forty seven
Speaker 1: and what he had to endure. And if you've ever
Speaker 1: seen did you watch forty two the movie? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Well just the scene where he's in Philadelphia and the
Speaker 1: manager is going off on him and call them all
Speaker 1: kinds of names. It was very tough to watch, and
Speaker 1: I could imagine, you know, what it was like for him.
Speaker 1: And not only did he persevere through that, Doug, he
Speaker 1: became the Rookie of the of the year. And back
Speaker 1: then there weren't American League and National League. There was
Speaker 1: just one Rookie of the Year. And think about this,
Speaker 1: the only black guy in Major League Baseball. All the
Speaker 1: writers who voted for the awards were white. All the
Speaker 1: fans you know, you know, basically or whatever and all everybody,
Speaker 1: and this guy Persevere played well enough to earn that
Speaker 1: award or I think it's an incredible story. It is.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get to let's get to something that
Speaker 1: happened yesterday. Josh Fields. Josh Fields, I'm going back to
Speaker 1: Oklahoma state history. Quarterback course went on to play in
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball for the White Sox. You look at
Speaker 1: at what's happening with the quarterback position as we get
Speaker 1: ready for the draft. We all know Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: going one. It seems it seems like a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 1: We know who's going number two? With? Was Zach Wilson?
Speaker 1: You okay with That's that's what everybody's talking about. That
Speaker 1: the Jets, that's what they're going to. That's what they're
Speaker 1: gonna pick and go on from there. Okay, So Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence one, Zach Wilson two, and then the question becomes,
Speaker 1: what do the San Francisco forty nine ers do at three?
Speaker 1: Do they go Justin Fields? Do they go Trade Lance?
Speaker 1: Do they go Mac Jones? Of course, he had his
Speaker 1: second pro day, and for people who aren't really following
Speaker 1: this thing, you're like, well, what he screw up in
Speaker 1: his first pro day? Now, it's not like Lonzo So
Speaker 1: Lonzo Ball had a bad individual workout with the Lakers
Speaker 1: and then they had a second individual work I was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: let me fix that. Come to this other gym and
Speaker 1: I'll I'll come work that. That's not what happened with
Speaker 1: Justin Fields. What happened Justin Fields is there are no
Speaker 1: individual workouts. You can't do private workouts for a team
Speaker 1: by rule this year because of COVID. So you have
Speaker 1: a second pro day, but you really invite one team
Speaker 1: and it becomes a de facto private private workout, And
Speaker 1: so we're kind of left with the what will Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan do? Apparently Justin Field's doing everything in his power
Speaker 1: to be that number three selection, even switching his when
Speaker 1: he takes a snap under center. I guess Kyle Fields.
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan is a a nitpicker. On having your right
Speaker 1: foot back. He's always had his left foot back, so
Speaker 1: he switched from his left to his right back to
Speaker 1: the front back anyway. Um so if if it's you Rob,
Speaker 1: what's your take on number three the quarterback who the
Speaker 1: Niners are gonna take? Yeah, it doesn't sound like they're
Speaker 1: going to take Justin Fields. And I guess that's where
Speaker 1: I'm I'm curious about him and whether or not Doug
Speaker 1: it's fair that uh, you know, Ohio State quarterbacks have
Speaker 1: a bad rap that that, and I'm Joe Burrow excluded,
Speaker 1: right because uh, he looks like the real deal. I
Speaker 1: know he got hurt, but he looked like he left
Speaker 1: Ohio State in order to play right. But I mean
Speaker 1: they I wouldn't count well, he came from There's what
Speaker 1: I was saying, right, right, But but so I'm not
Speaker 1: counting him. But Dwayne Haskins, right, was the let the
Speaker 1: the latest guy who went to Washington and maybe he'll
Speaker 1: revive his career, uh you know, uh in New Orleans,
Speaker 1: in New Orleans where yeah, oh, Pittsburgh. I'm sorry, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking of Pittsburgh. But but uh, there's just a long
Speaker 1: list of guys, uh that just haven't seemed to pan out. Uh,
Speaker 1: Troy Smith, right, Terrell Prior, Cardell Jones. Everybody thought, remember
Speaker 1: in the championship Game, the Road to the Championship Game,
Speaker 1: he beat the four best teams in the country. He
Speaker 1: looked like an unbelievable player. Uh. Going back to arch Sleyster,
Speaker 1: do you remember him? I think he's a fourth overall pick.
Speaker 1: He had a gambling issue, but he also didn't play
Speaker 1: that well in the NFL. Actually never won a game
Speaker 1: as a starter, which is uh, he was the fourth pick.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I just wonder if if Fields isn't going
Speaker 1: to go because he did everything he was supposed to
Speaker 1: do in college, Doug. Uh, So why wouldn't San Francisco
Speaker 1: want him? If if, if they don't pick him, do
Speaker 1: you think it has something to do with that or
Speaker 1: do you just think it's that they like uh the
Speaker 1: other guy Jones? Yeah, Mac, you know what I mean? Like, well, like, look,
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to read the te leaves. I was.
Speaker 1: I was listening to Clay Travis superseded this show, and
Speaker 1: I've seen this online at Bette Rivers uh sports book,
Speaker 1: which is um that he's now the betting favorite to
Speaker 1: be that number three pick, But I don't know if
Speaker 1: that matters. You're right, people in the NFL are saying
Speaker 1: it's gonna be mac Jones. There's a lot to it.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with where
Speaker 1: he played. You know, he started his career at Georgia.
Speaker 1: He was the number one recruit in high school. Um,
Speaker 1: he was. He was, he was a backup. He transfers,
Speaker 1: he plays right away, and he was. He was spectacular
Speaker 1: his first season. This year he was. He was very,
Speaker 1: very good. And then of course the national semifinal game,
Speaker 1: he basically threw a perfect game. I mean, he was incredible, incredible. Um.
Speaker 1: But like, look, there's there's obviously some flaws to what
Speaker 1: he does in comparison to what a Trevor Lawrence does.
Speaker 1: What is Zach Wilson knows because he's not really in
Speaker 1: kind consideration for those top two picks, even though he's
Speaker 1: a profound talent. I don't, I honestly don't care what
Speaker 1: he did in college. We've seen enough great college quarterbacks
Speaker 1: fall by the wayside. The pros understand it's a it's
Speaker 1: a different sport. It might as well be a difference.
Speaker 1: They still play with eleven guys on your side and
Speaker 1: eleven on the other, and its football and its helmets,
Speaker 1: But a lot of a lot of what it takes
Speaker 1: to be a great NFL quarterback is not a lot
Speaker 1: of what it takes necessarily be a college quarterback. My question, though,
Speaker 1: is it feels like mac Jones is more refined at
Speaker 1: this point his career, closer to his ceiling, but more
Speaker 1: refined and more ready to play maybe in the NFL
Speaker 1: level than Fields and Trey Lance. But if that's the case,
Speaker 1: why would you hold on to Jimmy Garoppolo? Right? If
Speaker 1: you're gonna hold on to Jimmy Garoppolo for a year,
Speaker 1: and we don't know if that's what they're doing. They
Speaker 1: may hold on to him just until after the draft,
Speaker 1: make sure they get their guy, and then and then
Speaker 1: trade him to the New England Patriots, who I don't
Speaker 1: think they're going to really gonna roll back out there
Speaker 1: with Cam Newton. But if you're going to get a
Speaker 1: guy who you think needs to develop, if you're gonna
Speaker 1: try and do the Pat Mahomes, which is what they've
Speaker 1: they've tell people, we're gonna do the Pat Mahomes, develop
Speaker 1: a guy for a year, then get rid of Garoppolo
Speaker 1: and then it'll be his team. Doesn't that feel more
Speaker 1: like a Lance and a Field situation than a Mac
Speaker 1: Jones situation. I'm just trying to read the tea lead
Speaker 1: because she was just saying, could you saying Matt Jones
Speaker 1: is ready to play, right, he's refon? So yes, if
Speaker 1: you get that guy, put him in. The only one
Speaker 1: you learned to play the quarterback in the NFL is
Speaker 1: by playing quarterback in the NFL, right, So what would
Speaker 1: be your hesitation? Yes? Yes, So I again, I'm just
Speaker 1: trying to read the tea leaves. You know. The Kyle
Speaker 1: Shanahan thing is this, I do I think that he
Speaker 1: thinks he knows more than everybody else about his system. Sure,
Speaker 1: but I also think there's reason that he may think
Speaker 1: he knows more because he actually may know more about
Speaker 1: what he needs in his system and what he has
Speaker 1: him in getting. Look the guys he's had most success with.
Speaker 1: I know RG three was the rookie of the year,
Speaker 1: but and you know they acquiesced to RG three and
Speaker 1: basically ran Baylor's offense. They tried to make him into
Speaker 1: their style of quarterback. Some of it was injuries with
Speaker 1: some of it's just that's not who he is. So
Speaker 1: he had an unbelievable rookie year, unbelievable rookie year, and
Speaker 1: and then he was playing hurt and then towards ACL
Speaker 1: and that that ill fated playoff came I think against
Speaker 1: Seattle at home. Um. But like, look the guys he's
Speaker 1: had success with the NFL, Matt shob right, Matt Ryan,
Speaker 1: kirk Cousins. Those guys are guys that you'd think lower ceiling,
Speaker 1: you know, more ready to play, just good solid quarterbacks. Like,
Speaker 1: is he gonna draft one of those kind of guys
Speaker 1: at number three in the draft? That would be that
Speaker 1: would be studying because if I'm I think the reason
Speaker 1: Fields wants to go three, and obviously Lance it's not
Speaker 1: the eagle of going three. It's that's a setup, right,
Speaker 1: It's a great setup they're gonna have. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: to sit for parts of a year and learn. They
Speaker 1: got a good offensive line, they know how to run
Speaker 1: the football, They got talent outside the numbers, and their
Speaker 1: defense is stacked, stacked, and every quarterback who's played for
Speaker 1: Shannon has had better success and their talent would normally
Speaker 1: tell you, right, like Jimmy Garoppolo hadn't really played. He
Speaker 1: comes in, he takes him to a super Bowl. His
Speaker 1: last he last ended the season as the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: of a Super Bowl team that had a twenty eight
Speaker 1: to ten lead in the fourth quarter. So you know, look,
Speaker 1: if they can do that with Jimmy Garoppolo, what can
Speaker 1: they do with one of these young star quarterbacks. I
Speaker 1: think that's why everybody wants to get to that third spot.
Speaker 1: I just my answers. I don't know, do you know?
Speaker 1: And I don't think it has anything to do with
Speaker 1: Ohio State. I really don't guys running wide open in
Speaker 1: college football because they have more talent than everybody else.
Speaker 1: I don't think that takes away from what people see
Speaker 1: and what people don't see about justin fields. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's let's do this. We'll table it. Eric Mangini's
Speaker 1: gonna join this upcoming next and we'll get his thoughts,
Speaker 1: plus his thoughts on Julian Edelman, who called it, who
Speaker 1: called it a career this week. Of course, he's a
Speaker 1: former assistant with the New England Patriots and then a
Speaker 1: head coach with the Jets, playing against Julian Edeman. That's
Speaker 1: up coming next to Rob Parker. I'm Doug Gotli. This
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. Eric Mangini, of course, has been a
Speaker 1: part of some incredible coaching staffs in San Francisco, head
Speaker 1: coach of the Jets, the Browns, and of course a
Speaker 1: longtime assistant with the New England Patriots. And he's kind
Speaker 1: of have to spend some time this year on the
Speaker 1: DP Show. And Eric know we found out I was
Speaker 1: on it. I'm surprised he didn't cancel the appearance. That's
Speaker 1: the reason I came on is because you're on it.
Speaker 1: I just want to do it. I'm just doing Eric.
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's start with number three. Okay, the number
Speaker 1: three pick. That's really where the where the draft will
Speaker 1: will turn. Give me your sense of Kyle Shanahan right, Like, again,
Speaker 1: this is football outsider says, Okay, Kyle Shanahan, you know,
Speaker 1: specific desire offense, kind of a little bit of a
Speaker 1: quarterback guru. You know, there's some confidence there. Some people
Speaker 1: think a little arrogance there. But he's been really he's
Speaker 1: been really really successful, really successful. You know, Houston, Matt
Speaker 1: shob they were successful with Matt Ryan was the MVP
Speaker 1: RG three. They changed their system, he was the rookie
Speaker 1: of the year, and of course they went to a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with with Garoppolo. What do you think he's
Speaker 1: also choked down two super Bowls? But that's another no question.
Speaker 1: They choked two super Bowls, there's no question. But they
Speaker 1: did have the lead in both super Bowls. No, but
Speaker 1: they didn't do the right thing at the end of
Speaker 1: the games. He should have two super Bowls in inarguable, inarguable.
Speaker 1: But but Eric, take me inside a coach's mind, a
Speaker 1: GM's mind and John Lynch and what you think they're
Speaker 1: looking forward three? Well, this is such an interesting discussion
Speaker 1: because people seem to be very unhappy that they would
Speaker 1: be considering mac Jones at this spot. But what's forgotten
Speaker 1: is that coaches don't go into a quarterback evaluation saying
Speaker 1: what is the guy going to do when my play
Speaker 1: breaks down? That's not the starting point. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: start with mobility. It starts with how well can this
Speaker 1: guy run my system? How well can he go through
Speaker 1: his read progressions? How well can he throw the ball
Speaker 1: when the whole world knows that he has to throw
Speaker 1: the ball at the end of the game. And that's
Speaker 1: the starting point. And mac Jones has done that really well,
Speaker 1: so I can see why he's in the discussion. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at a guy like Justin Fields, who's also
Speaker 1: had very good accuracy, has won a lot of games,
Speaker 1: has done a lot of really good things, and is
Speaker 1: a more mobile player, and you can argue for the upside,
Speaker 1: but they're going through this process right now. In this
Speaker 1: process will probably go right up right up until the drafts,
Speaker 1: where they're getting to know the human beings as well,
Speaker 1: because playing quarterback, it's part of what you do on
Speaker 1: the field, but it's also all the other stuff that
Speaker 1: goes into it. Your level of preparation, your ability to
Speaker 1: comprehend multiple concepts read defensive affect other players, and I
Speaker 1: think that's where the change can take over. Even the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks or already has as they get
Speaker 1: to know the human beings. What about Trevor Lawrence's comments, Eric,
Speaker 1: you saw side people talking about him his dad as coach,
Speaker 1: he could give up football tomorrow. He said, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna stress out or like over football every waking minute
Speaker 1: of the day. Does that would that bother you as
Speaker 1: a head coach or would you just look at it
Speaker 1: and say, you know, he's a different kind of guy.
Speaker 1: He can play when he's on the field, but he's
Speaker 1: not consumed or obsessed by it. Do you need to
Speaker 1: be obsessed to be a good player in the NFL? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he need to be obsessed to be a
Speaker 1: good quarterback in the NFL, especially because there's so many
Speaker 1: details and it's such a it's such a grind mentally,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson has talked about the idea of drafting guys
Speaker 1: that don't have a parachute, where he would go get
Speaker 1: some guys who who football didn't work out, they didn't
Speaker 1: have a plan b in that constantly motivated them to
Speaker 1: be successful. And you know he's in it. Obviously this
Speaker 1: is a different situation. But you you'd love to hear
Speaker 1: the guy who is chasing Tom Brady or chasing Peyton Manning,
Speaker 1: or chasing the greats. And I know he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a chip on his shoulder because he's going to be
Speaker 1: drafted number one overall. But you really ideally want the
Speaker 1: guy who is desperately searching for greatness, especially taking him
Speaker 1: as a for a pick in the draft. But but
Speaker 1: but Eric, let me, let me push back on this.
Speaker 1: This is the problem. I h there are plenty of
Speaker 1: those guys, and a lot of them don't succeed or
Speaker 1: aren't very good. So you can you know, I've tell
Speaker 1: the guys, rob guys, some of the guys who don't
Speaker 1: who players who told me that they don't love football
Speaker 1: quarterback because they can this gonna be out. Also, NFL coaches,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they don't go home. They sleep on the couch.
Speaker 1: They they they stay in their office. They watch film
Speaker 1: twenty three hours a day. Yeah yeah, yeah, but they
Speaker 1: don't win any Super Bowls. They don't win, they still
Speaker 1: get fired. I'm not saying that that that you know,
Speaker 1: having that is a bad thing, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that that automatically means you're going to be a great
Speaker 1: player because you obsess over it or it's the only
Speaker 1: thing you think about all day that That's my point
Speaker 1: is that I think there are a lot of guys
Speaker 1: who who lived that life who aren't successful because they
Speaker 1: don't have talent. Well, yeah, we're assuming the starting point
Speaker 1: is talent. And when you talk about those guys rob
Speaker 1: that that do obsess and aren't ultimately successful winning the
Speaker 1: super Bowl, where would they be if they didn't obsess.
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe they've reached the highest level that they've reached
Speaker 1: because of their obsessing. And to me, I'm a big
Speaker 1: believer that that talent sets the floor and character sets
Speaker 1: the ceiling, and that if you have a guy with
Speaker 1: really high character and drive. And I'm not taking anything
Speaker 1: away from Trevor Lawrence, but when you have that situation,
Speaker 1: average becomes good, Good becomes great, and great becomes a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer because you're you're pairing up the talent
Speaker 1: with that that character. I think that's just I think
Speaker 1: that's just pr talk to that if I don't say anything,
Speaker 1: If I didn't say anything, you wouldn't think anything of me.
Speaker 1: But if I go out and tell you, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: football is all I think about it, and I can't
Speaker 1: whatever did all of a sudden, your whole mentality or
Speaker 1: the way you look at me change is whether that's
Speaker 1: true or not. I could have given you a phony
Speaker 1: story if I'm Trevor Lawrence and told you that, and
Speaker 1: then you would tell me that you would think he
Speaker 1: has a chance of being a great the greatest quarterback
Speaker 1: ever because he gave you a phony story about how
Speaker 1: you obsessed with football and he wasn't honest with you
Speaker 1: and told you that it doesn't matter to him. Do
Speaker 1: you see what I'm saying. No, But if you're telling
Speaker 1: me someone's lying, that's different. And I have no problem
Speaker 1: with someone expressing sincerely how they feel. I just think
Speaker 1: that maybe it's similar to an Andrew Luck situation where
Speaker 1: Andrew had other alternatives, yet other things that he wanted
Speaker 1: to do, and he decided it was time to move
Speaker 1: on from football. That's that's his right, and he earned
Speaker 1: that right, and there's nothing wrong with that. You're asking
Speaker 1: me from an executive standpoint or from a head coaching standpoint,
Speaker 1: do I want someone that is chasing Tom Brady? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do. I'm not saying I want someone to lie
Speaker 1: to me, but I would like someone that that has
Speaker 1: that mentality. I think that's that help is helpful. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those. And even if they lie
Speaker 1: or tell the truth, I mean that that's part of
Speaker 1: why you spend so much money and do background research
Speaker 1: in these guys. But but Rob, you know, I pushed back,
Speaker 1: like you go through and I mean, why did why
Speaker 1: did Why did the ram sauron Jared golf right? Why
Speaker 1: did the sauron Jared Goff? Sauredon Jared Goff because they
Speaker 1: felt like he wasn't He wasn't. He didn't obsess over it.
Speaker 1: He didn't obsess over it. So Matthew Stafford, who's obsessed
Speaker 1: over it but hasn't won a playoff game in twelve
Speaker 1: years or a big game, well, he also wasn't surrounding it. Again, No,
Speaker 1: I watched his whole entire career. There are plenty of
Speaker 1: opportunities for him to carry that team. And it's not true.
Speaker 1: Everybody's blaming everybody but Matthew Stafford. And my point is
Speaker 1: only that, uh yeah, okay, Matthew Stafford is better. Yeah okay,
Speaker 1: because he put up meaningless numbers and meaningless games where
Speaker 1: he's down twenty one points in the first quarter. That's
Speaker 1: there You're literally the only person on earth who who
Speaker 1: who thinks that Matt Stafford is not not a very
Speaker 1: good quarterback like you just you're you're but you're also
Speaker 1: the You're the only guy who watched every game from
Speaker 1: the start of it. I gotta, I gotta, I understand.
Speaker 1: I know where you're watching. You watch, you watched, you
Speaker 1: watched highlights. No, no, no, I I don't Stafford, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna be honest to watch. I barely watched,
Speaker 1: I be I barely watched the Lions. But what I
Speaker 1: know is I know that the n NFL he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have commanded starting quarterback and other first round picks unless
Speaker 1: he had a ton of value, because the evaluators in
Speaker 1: the NFL believe he's a top flight quarterback who is
Speaker 1: simply surrounded with an absolute mess of a franchise. That's
Speaker 1: three things he was. He never played in the system,
Speaker 1: which which which which helped helped his skill set. That again,
Speaker 1: ask it or ask Eric Mangini, right like when you
Speaker 1: played for Jim Bob Cooter. I've talked to NFL people
Speaker 1: like dude, he played for the most rudimentary systems where
Speaker 1: they didn't even use motion like everybody's sad. Johnson got
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame on the first ballot with
Speaker 1: playing on a horrible franchise. Right, but but he but
Speaker 1: but you're completing things things Nobody ever say they didn't
Speaker 1: have anybody, they weren't well run to, they didn't have
Speaker 1: a good defense, they didn't have a good running game.
Speaker 1: You're not winning a championships, a defense, running game, and hip. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I think I think too, Rob. What comes from the
Speaker 1: equation with this is we're not playing golf, right, It's
Speaker 1: not an individual game. You are depending on the people
Speaker 1: that are around you. And and to go back to
Speaker 1: the original question, the obsessing over over the game and
Speaker 1: your progress in the game and your approach to the game.
Speaker 1: To me, you're hoping that that leads to them maximizing
Speaker 1: the natural talent that they have. That that's that's where
Speaker 1: I'm saying the correlation is if someone isn't as obsessed,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they won't necessarily achieve at a certain level.
Speaker 1: But you wonder are they going to achieve at the
Speaker 1: level that they could potentially achieve that Hey, all right,
Speaker 1: let's switch to this team to skip in the voluntary workouts, Eric,
Speaker 1: what do you make of that? You know, with the
Speaker 1: COVID concerns, Uh, if you were coaching and your team
Speaker 1: didn't want to come into would you understand, Look, this
Speaker 1: is such a this is such a unpredictable and I'm
Speaker 1: a certain time that it's hard to pass judgment on
Speaker 1: anybody's decision in relationship to COVID. The thing that I
Speaker 1: haven't seen is what protocols are not in place that
Speaker 1: the players disagree with and and and that's that's where
Speaker 1: it just seems a little disingenuous. Is what is the
Speaker 1: NFL not doing to make you feel as secure as possible?
Speaker 1: If they were not providing testing, if they were not
Speaker 1: providing vaccinations, if they were not social, if they weren't
Speaker 1: doing everything they could, then I would say, of course
Speaker 1: that you shouldn't go in. But but I I don't
Speaker 1: see that part of it, Robert. One of the issues.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that players, you're saying players just don't
Speaker 1: want to work out, that that the NFL needs to
Speaker 1: get rid of the word voluntary, right, And either you
Speaker 1: make it a part of the contract that they come
Speaker 1: in for these workouts or you're eliminated. So that's you're
Speaker 1: saying that it has nothing to do with COVID, that
Speaker 1: the players don't want to come in. No, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it. I'm not saying it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with COVID, because look, COVID has something to do with
Speaker 1: everything that everybody's doing now. But I'm trying to understand
Speaker 1: what are the what are the roadblocks between coming in
Speaker 1: and not coming in? NFL isn't trying to overcome. I
Speaker 1: think your point is well taken, and that's what I'm asking.
Speaker 1: I don't think it has anything to do with COVID.
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a joke. They agreed to a
Speaker 1: ten year Collective Barden Agreement and they did not address this, right,
Speaker 1: they have a CBA for ten years. They did not
Speaker 1: address or change and you know the wording of the
Speaker 1: volunteery workouts, and they're using a loophole to try You're
Speaker 1: using COVID, like we can't come in because of COVID. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you can go work out a private facility, right,
Speaker 1: that's what you want to do. You can work out
Speaker 1: a private facility and possibly that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: That argument holds no water. By the way, NFL players
Speaker 1: are frustrated last year over not being able to get
Speaker 1: into their facilities to work out. Now you don't want
Speaker 1: to work out like I'm it's very It basically feels
Speaker 1: like the Union, you know, trying to throw their weight around,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't make any sense. And it does put
Speaker 1: some guys in a bind because there are guys that
Speaker 1: have incentenced, tied into the offseason program that they can earn,
Speaker 1: and there are a bunch of players that do really
Speaker 1: benefit from being in the building, whether it's through the
Speaker 1: strength and conditioning program or the work on the field,
Speaker 1: or the work of the coaches. So when you when
Speaker 1: you make these these blanket decisions to that affect whole
Speaker 1: groups of people, you're really taking the voluntary aspect away
Speaker 1: from from the player. From a union perspective, Eric ben
Speaker 1: Junior guest here on The Dan Patrick's Show, Rob Parker
Speaker 1: Doug Gotlieban for Dan and the Danettes. What are the
Speaker 1: Patriots going to do at quarterback? That's that's a that's
Speaker 1: that's a wonderful question, you know. They it's it's not
Speaker 1: an easy problem to solve, obviously, and it's not like
Speaker 1: this is the first time they've had to address the
Speaker 1: quarterback issue. Bill's drafted eleven quarterbacks over the last twenty years,
Speaker 1: and then they drafted another one in Cleveland. And you know,
Speaker 1: you hit the football lottery with Tom Brady in the
Speaker 1: sixth round, and you could say that that you did
Speaker 1: well with Jimmy Garoppolo. However you want to, you know,
Speaker 1: view his success or failure, Matt Castle would probably be
Speaker 1: the next most successful guy. It's not easy. People are
Speaker 1: talking about it is I would just trade up and
Speaker 1: go get a guy. It It doesn't it doesn't work
Speaker 1: that way. They've been trying to replace Tombree because of
Speaker 1: his age to the last you know, six or seven years,
Speaker 1: and they haven't hit. I think they'll they'll continue to
Speaker 1: look for guys. I imagine they'll get a guy maybe
Speaker 1: in the second or third round. It's hard to envision
Speaker 1: him trading up high in the first. You know, he
Speaker 1: hasn't done it in twenty six years as a head
Speaker 1: coach where he's traded or drafted a quarterback in the
Speaker 1: first round. Maybe this will be the year. I mean,
Speaker 1: if his free agency spending was was uncharacteristic as well,
Speaker 1: it just it just hasn't been the pattern though. Eric,
Speaker 1: what about Julian Edelman called it a career with the Patriots,
Speaker 1: retired after he failed his physical And that's a graph.
Speaker 1: Won a super Bowl, MVP was on a super Bowl
Speaker 1: winning team three times. Regular season stats not so good.
Speaker 1: Is he a Hall of Famer in your opinion? I
Speaker 1: would imagine he's got to be deep in the discussions
Speaker 1: for for Hall of Fame because of what he's done
Speaker 1: in the postseason. I mean, the guy average six over
Speaker 1: six catches per game in the in the postseason, never
Speaker 1: made a Pro Bowl, never was an All Pro hockey.
Speaker 1: He be a Hall of Famer. Eric, Come on, seriously, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know if the Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: is all Pro. Nope, all Pro, never an All Pro.
Speaker 1: That's a Hall of Famer. Well, you're looking at you're
Speaker 1: looking at at the success that New England has. How
Speaker 1: much credit would you give him for those successful years?
Speaker 1: Let let me let me ask me ask you irrelevant part. No, Eric,
Speaker 1: I think you make it a great point. This is
Speaker 1: this You're you're gonna help obviously make my point, which
Speaker 1: be I think as fans we talk about stats or
Speaker 1: even catches. It's like all the little things. What's the
Speaker 1: most important down in football third down, and he and
Speaker 1: Wes Welker were dominant on third down. Why can't a
Speaker 1: slot wide receiver be in the Hall of Fame If
Speaker 1: you're the best slot way wide receiver who makes the
Speaker 1: most impactful plays in the Super Bowl? How he But
Speaker 1: but if he did all that during his playing career,
Speaker 1: his numbers, there's so many other guys who played his position.
Speaker 1: Hinz Ward has way better statistics. He's not in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Okay, he won a Super Bowl MVP,
Speaker 1: he helped the Steelers h during their runs and was
Speaker 1: a great player. He's not in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: And here's the other caveat that that kills me. He
Speaker 1: also got suspended for peed use, and we vilified baseball players,
Speaker 1: but Edelman nobody even mentions it. Why is it okay
Speaker 1: for him to to to do peeds get busted, and
Speaker 1: you guys want to send them to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: I think that's BS. I don't think I'm necessarily saying
Speaker 1: he's a first ballot Hall of Famer, and I don't
Speaker 1: know when he'll get in. I do think he has
Speaker 1: to be in the discussion at some point because of
Speaker 1: his body of work. I mean, the Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: is based off of your body of work, and he's
Speaker 1: had tremendous impact on a team that's had tremendous success,
Speaker 1: and a lot of his impact was in the most
Speaker 1: crucial moments. Do you value the performance in those moments?
Speaker 1: Is that special? Or is it or is it not special?
Speaker 1: Is it unique or is it not unique? To me?
Speaker 1: I think it's it's unique. Eric, great stuff man. Thanks
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Really thank you. You will
Speaker 1: really appreciate this morning. I'm pumped up after talking to you.
Speaker 1: He's called me every morning then, Rob, because we need
Speaker 1: to get you more pumped up. Yes, I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thanks see Eric, mail coach and TV analyst.
Speaker 1: All right, Coming up next, Anthony Davis has been cleared
Speaker 1: to return. So to have Laker fans how would affect
Speaker 1: the league? Find out next to The Dan Patrick Show.
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Speaker 1: did you see that they're can hut some fans back
Speaker 1: in at Staples Center and just happens to coinside with
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis being cleared to return. Yes, it's good. I
Speaker 1: love it. I'm loving to see fans back at the ballpark.
Speaker 1: As you know, we've seen it in baseball someplaces we
Speaker 1: saw a sold out stadium. Did you see in Arlington, Texas? Uh?
Speaker 1: Doug for opening day? Sold out? Like packed? Was it
Speaker 1: was a site for sore eyes. But yes, in the NBA,
Speaker 1: I'm happy to hear fans are coming back. Have you
Speaker 1: gotten the vaccination? One shot? I'm waiting for the second one?
Speaker 1: What about you? I got the I got the I
Speaker 1: got the now pause Johnson and Johnson last Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw some side effects, right, A couple of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like six people. Uh, six people? And like yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that the numbers don't suggest that they should
Speaker 1: stop it, but again out of an abundance of caution,
Speaker 1: which is is fine. Um okay, so did you have
Speaker 1: how did you feel after you get your first shot?
Speaker 1: Just sore you know and where I got the shot.
Speaker 1: But I didn't get sick. I didn't feel any symptoms. Uh,
Speaker 1: knock on wood, I felt good. How about you did?
Speaker 1: Did you have any issues? Yes? I felt terrible? Did
Speaker 1: you really? Dog? Did it really? Yeah? I never I
Speaker 1: knock wood never, but I very, very very rarely ever
Speaker 1: get sick. See I'm like that knock on wood. I'm
Speaker 1: one of those people too. At one stretch, Dog, I
Speaker 1: think of my professional career, I might have gone like
Speaker 1: ten or twelve years without ever missing work, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I've never missed it. I never did
Speaker 1: miss the Dave work for for being sick. Is that right?
Speaker 1: That's unbelievable ever so one or two. But it's also
Speaker 1: like way like what we do, Like let's not kid
Speaker 1: ourselves like oh no no, but you still have to
Speaker 1: be if your head is clogged or you don't you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, dude, but you got a
Speaker 1: bad head. I mean like look Monday, Monday, my voice
Speaker 1: wasn't great. I could have blamed it on the shot,
Speaker 1: but it was really because like I coached, I coached
Speaker 1: you know, like five teams in an a huge turn off.
Speaker 1: Well you already know that had something to do with it,
Speaker 1: Dad and everything everything to do with it anyway. Um,
Speaker 1: so I blame the officials actually on that one. Um,
Speaker 1: but I had I had to chills something fierce that
Speaker 1: night and then I just had like a neck ache
Speaker 1: and headache for about twenty four thirty six hours after
Speaker 1: the shot and then I was and then I was fine.
Speaker 1: I've been told that the two shot ones. The second
Speaker 1: shot is when you feel some effects and it varies
Speaker 1: in levels. Yeah, I've heard that that the second one
Speaker 1: could do something to you. Um, we'll see. I'm hoping.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping not, but I want to be totally vaccinated.
Speaker 1: But in fact, because you're a traveler, you're like a
Speaker 1: world traveler. Just just bought a ticket dog yesterday, if
Speaker 1: you could believe it. I'm going to Australia in January
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. I've already been, but I never went
Speaker 1: to the West coast to Perth, so that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a part of the trip. But I'm gonna go for
Speaker 1: about eight or nine days to Australia. My second I
Speaker 1: went back in the nineties, like early nineties, so I
Speaker 1: haven't been there in a long time. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: want to and I want to go to Russia as
Speaker 1: well next year. So those yeah, yeah, yeah, I got ask.
Speaker 1: I speak all the Russian really, yeah. I played basketball
Speaker 1: in Russian. I took a Russian tutor. I could speak
Speaker 1: at Russian. I can understand a lot. Yeah, it was,
Speaker 1: it's it's amazing. I'll be your I'll be your tour
Speaker 1: guide when to go. Don't go in wins. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not going. I'm gonna go into summer. But I like that.
Speaker 1: You're going to Australia in summer. In Australia, right, that's
Speaker 1: January that summer. Yes, I went to the Australian Open
Speaker 1: the last time I went in the nineties, so I'll
Speaker 1: probably take that in as well. And uh, you know
Speaker 1: to go to the Opera House there in Sydney and
Speaker 1: Darling Harbor. Have you been. You've been Australia, right, No, no, no, Doug.
Speaker 1: It is a must. It is our Their landmass is
Speaker 1: similar to ours, not the same size, similar, And Sydney
Speaker 1: and Perth are like New York and LA, three thousand
Speaker 1: miles apart on the East Coast and West coast, you know,
Speaker 1: like like that, even though Perth is not LA, it's
Speaker 1: not as glamorous of a city as say Sydney is,
Speaker 1: but still I want to see it. I want to
Speaker 1: see as much of the world as I can while
Speaker 1: I'm alive. So so where do you Where do you
Speaker 1: stay when you travel? Like? Are you a hostile guy? Gonna?
Speaker 1: I'm a Marriott guy. I'm I'm I need to be
Speaker 1: in you know, all the way to Perth, Australia and
Speaker 1: go stay at a at a Marriott. Yes, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: stay at a hotel that I'm gonna feel comfortable. And
Speaker 1: I've stayed at some questionable hotels, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: get to save some money. When I was in college.
Speaker 1: When you say questionable, everyone's mindsearch racing in terms of questionable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: places that places that if I if I did it again,
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't stay there. But you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But I was in college, me and a buddy we
Speaker 1: graduated from Columbia j School, My buddy George Smith, who
Speaker 1: was in the media. But do you know George used
Speaker 1: to work at ESPN. George Smith, Yeah, great, great guy.
Speaker 1: George and I went to Europe after we got out
Speaker 1: of Columbia and we roughed it. We didn't have any money,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we backpacked it stayed
Speaker 1: at some cheap hotels, but we had a great time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I love the trump. Anthony Davis is back
Speaker 1: with the Lakers, okay, and he's been cleared for full
Speaker 1: contact practice. Is this enough time for the Lakers to
Speaker 1: get their chemistry right to another championship? Yeah, only because
Speaker 1: they played together. It's about them just being healthy, not
Speaker 1: chemistry so much. When you have Anthony Davis and Lebron
Speaker 1: James and a cast, you're gonna have a shot. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying they're gonna win a championship, Doug, but they
Speaker 1: have a shot if those guys are healthy. If either
Speaker 1: one one of them is not healthy completely all that
Speaker 1: they have no shot to win. I agree. If they
Speaker 1: have no shot to win it either isn't healthy. I
Speaker 1: think it's interesting. You know, we were so dismissive of
Speaker 1: the Clippers. We're like, wow, they but they fell apart
Speaker 1: in the bubble. They did, But I felt like they
Speaker 1: addressed all of their needs and and and here's the
Speaker 1: big thing. Like Lebron didn't win his first year in LA,
Speaker 1: didn't win his first year back in Cleveland, didn't win
Speaker 1: his first year in Miami either, is that sometimes those
Speaker 1: super teams that first year you kind of gotta fix
Speaker 1: it and put it together and look kind of similarly
Speaker 1: coaches too, except for in Miami. I'm with you on this.
Speaker 1: I think the Clippers are under the radar dog and
Speaker 1: they got Rondo, which is a big piece that they needed.
Speaker 1: I like the Clippers to come out of the West.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, all right. More on the NBA to come,
Speaker 1: including including the Brooklyn Nets. All right now, the other side,
Speaker 1: Perth and Sydney. All right, we'll head to Sydney up
Speaker 1: coming next on The Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to
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