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Speaker 2: All right, Chad Milman is going to stop on By

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Speaker 2: in about ten minutes. That was a tough watch. Thursday

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Speaker 2: Night Football twenty six eighteen. Philadelphia played like crap in

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Speaker 2: the first half and came back to win. Let's be

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Speaker 2: honest behind Saquon Barkley this. You know, Philadelphia is such

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Speaker 2: a talented team, but I think what tonight honestly look

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Speaker 2: like You're getting into week ten, week eleven, it's a

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Speaker 2: short week. Philadelphia looked tired. Philadelphia look beat up. They

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Speaker 2: look tired. You know, division rivalry games are usually pretty physical.

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Speaker 2: I think it's disturbing how Philadelphia, much better roster than

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Speaker 2: Washington couldn't get anything going in the first half. You know,

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Speaker 2: it wasn't until the last final drives when you know

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Speaker 2: they kind of cut loose. It's just you have to

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Speaker 2: be a better football team than that. Eagles through six

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Speaker 2: and zero when Saquon Barkley rushes for one hundred plus yards,

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Speaker 2: so he's completely changed the offense Jalen Hurts, and there

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Speaker 2: were times tonight in the first half when Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 2: missed AJ Brown badly. I'm like a twelve fifteen yard out,

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Speaker 2: and you know, he's just the savior of the offense.

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Speaker 2: I find it remarkable. You know, nobody in the NFL

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Speaker 2: loves the trade to their rivals. It's sort of a

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Speaker 2: no no, you know, to me, as long as you're

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Speaker 2: not trading like your best player. It is unbelievable. The

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Speaker 2: New York Giants allowed and it was the most predictable

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Speaker 2: thing in the world. Saquon Barkley, their best player by

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Speaker 2: a lot, to go to the Philadelphia Eagles. Jesus. I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's just not good GMing. And I don't know if

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Speaker 2: the Giants are going to clean house. But that's the

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Speaker 2: kind of thing that gets you fired. And Barkley's a

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Speaker 2: remarkable player, you know. You know, it's really cracks me up.

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Speaker 2: The media overreacts to everything, and a lot of it

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Speaker 2: is the media is much younger than it used to be.

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Speaker 2: Is that the media, you know, companies now don't have

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Speaker 2: get young and cheap in the media. So a lot

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Speaker 2: of times the media is thirty one years old, twenty

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Speaker 2: eight years old. Their reaction to stuff is like it's

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Speaker 2: never happened before. But that's their life. You know, I've

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Speaker 2: been doing this so long now, and I'm believing that's

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Speaker 2: not a humble brag, you know, it's it's sometimes I

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Speaker 2: look at the media and I think, guys, this is

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Speaker 2: it's everything cyclical. I mean virtually politics is cyclical. Everything

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Speaker 2: is cyclical. Tech, the industry is not very old, but

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Speaker 2: it feels cyclical. You get ups and downs. Everybody overreacts

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Speaker 2: to everything. And earlier this year, you know, or was

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Speaker 2: it last year the off season, there was this big

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Speaker 2: complaint that running backs are not getting paid, and it's like,

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Speaker 2: tight ends have always been underpaid. Interior offensive linemen don't

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Speaker 2: running back is essential for a young quarterback. For instance,

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Speaker 2: Not to mention, you know, our running back is such

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Speaker 2: a great piece, not just not just to set the

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Speaker 2: going to want a good running back. I mean, Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: changed everything. Dereck Henry for the Ravens. I mean, look

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Speaker 2: Let Joe Mixon go. Bengals would die for a twelve

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Speaker 2: were going to you know, disappear into the ether. The reports.

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Speaker 2: I said this on FS one. I set up multiple

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Speaker 2: times take a deep breath. There was always going to

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Speaker 2: be a market for Austin Eckler. You know, Washington's like, hey,

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Speaker 2: but we need you. So there's excellent young running backs

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Speaker 2: in the league. And Saquon Barkley is so valuable. This

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Speaker 2: is a team that's good. They often play with the league,

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Speaker 2: if these are two of the best teams in the NFC,

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Speaker 2: then the AFC is still superior to the NFC. But

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Speaker 2: I also think Jalen Hurts allows Saquon Barkley, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: allows Jalen Hurts to throw less in a six game

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Speaker 2: winning streak. He's only had two turnovers. So Jalen Hurts

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Speaker 2: see this in the political media. You know, to the

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Speaker 2: Trump election. It's listen, the election was decided by a

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Speaker 2: see from the appointees, you know, Trump. Trump is almost

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Speaker 2: going to be a polarizing personality and a polarizing president.

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Speaker 2: You know, he'll create great passion from the blue team.

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Speaker 2: You go to the midterm elections, the Senate, the House,

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Speaker 2: things change. It's just, you know, nothing, nothing lasts forever.

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Speaker 2: So running backs are very, very valuable. I also think,

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Speaker 2: just have to have size. You're just in the NBA,

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Speaker 2: you're just not gonna win a championship. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: Julius Randalls Sea, We'll take Karl Anthony Towns. We need

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Speaker 2: more size if we want to match up with Jiannis,

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Speaker 2: Embiid and Poor Zingis in the East. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: amazing how many true big men. Anthony Davis is the

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Speaker 2: best player in the Lakers, Jannis on Milwaukee, Jokic, Wemby,

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Speaker 2: and got two centers. Everything, everything over time either re emerges, emerges, regresses.

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Speaker 2: To the mean, take a deep breath, It's all going

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Speaker 2: to be okay, you know. I also think what's happening

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Speaker 2: last weekend was a great weekend for underdogs. And I

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Speaker 2: thought tonight when Washington, I couldn't you couldn't figure the

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Speaker 2: Washington never had the football. They had the football eleven

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Speaker 2: minutes and they led, and it was one of these

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Speaker 2: football games You're like, what's happening here? Philadelphia so much better, Jacksonville,

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Speaker 2: they're playing some backups, they're tired. You know, a lot

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Speaker 2: of the better football teams in the NFL, they have

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Speaker 2: older players, players just out of their prime. Week ten,

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Speaker 2: a rookie wall And last year C. J. Stroud had

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Speaker 2: he completed fifty seven percent of his throws. So Jaden

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Speaker 2: so people take Terry McLaurin out and it's a pretty

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Speaker 2: And now everybody's got all the tape, and so I

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Speaker 2: think he's going to be I think I think Jayden

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Speaker 2: Daniels has been a home run or you know, Rookie

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Speaker 2: some games where you know, the game speeds up. The

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Speaker 1: Purty because they see every day in practice. I think

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Speaker 1: we were talking before you jumped on about like I

425
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Speaker 1: think Nick Wright had a take about like just go

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Speaker 1: with Trey Lance right now because maybe you get something

427
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Speaker 1: and best case, he just sucks and you lose. You

428
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Speaker 1: know why you can't do that because Micah Parsons and

429
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Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb would be like, what the fuck are we doing?

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Speaker 2: Right?

431
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Speaker 1: Because they see practice, and I think you have this

432
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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams situation. Everyone's going to point to Shane Waldron,

433
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Speaker 1: who actually I always kind of liked, but clearly this

434
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Speaker 1: is not going well for him, and eber flus Over

435
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Speaker 1: said is gonna get fired. But there are plays to

436
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Speaker 1: be made for Caleb and he doesn't look remotely close.

437
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Speaker 1: Like even if you are a Caleb supporter, which I

438
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Speaker 1: with you, like most people, I would have drafted them

439
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Speaker 1: number one overall, but like the draft happened. Now we're

440
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Speaker 1: ten games in, there are plays. It's not all his fault.

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Speaker 1: But I think we also have to acknowledge like Drake

442
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Speaker 1: may plays in an organization that's in turmoil. His the

443
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Speaker 1: former head coach, who's one of the most legendary sports

444
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Speaker 1: figures of all times, ripping drowd mail. Like three weeks ago,

445
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: everyone's ripping the owner. The coaching staff's more than questionable.

446
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Speaker 1: There's not that much talent. You watch Drake may Or,

447
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Speaker 1: like God, he was the best quarterback by a wide

448
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Speaker 1: margin on the field, no question. And the other thing

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Speaker 1: Colin is like, let's use Jared Goff as an example.

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Speaker 1: Remember that rookie season. It felt like is this guy,

451
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Speaker 1: this guy even an NFL player? But the one thing

452
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Speaker 1: you knew Jared Goff could do in college was like

453
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Speaker 1: he was a pocket quarterback. So he's never gonna have

454
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Speaker 1: to run. He's a pocket. If you could protect him,

455
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Speaker 1: he could play in the pocket. There is just a

456
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Speaker 1: question with Caleb, like can he play within the pocket?

457
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Speaker 1: That was a question coming out, like it's not something

458
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Speaker 1: he's comfortable doing. You don't just get to freelance all

459
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Speaker 1: the time in the NFL. So it's like one, two, three,

460
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Speaker 1: get rid of the ball now our his receivers not

461
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Speaker 1: getting open all the time. Obviously some plays, But I

462
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Speaker 1: do think there's a legit question of like what offense

463
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Speaker 1: to make this guy successful? Like I watched Drake Man,

464
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Speaker 1: It's like, I think that guy could fit in a

465
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Speaker 1: lot of offenses. Yeah, you know, I thought Jayden was,

466
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Speaker 1: like I think he's gonna have to play in like

467
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Speaker 1: mor of al Lamar style. I'm watching, like, well what

468
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Speaker 1: Lamar is now? What Lamar was when he was really young,

469
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Speaker 1: not the version now. And you watch Jayden right now,

470
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Speaker 1: it's like this guy's awesome in the pocket. So I

471
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Speaker 1: just think there's question marks on Caleb that you you

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Speaker 1: look at this job like this is why I like

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Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel, Like I'm not looking for Caleb to throw

474
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Speaker 1: forty touchdowns anymore. Maybe that's not his game. Let's just

475
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Speaker 1: kind of go what Pete Carroll did in thirteen and fourteen, like, Hey,

476
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Speaker 1: we're gonna run the ball, We're gonna have a tough defense,

477
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Speaker 1: you're gonna play within my system. That's what We're taking

478
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Speaker 1: the cooking utensils away from your hands.

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Speaker 2: That's what Philadelphia has done with Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts

480
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Speaker 2: today is throwing twenty four times and it's very effective.

481
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Speaker 2: He throws a good deep ball. They're not letting Jalen Hurts.

482
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Speaker 2: And by the way, outside of a Mahomes or a

483
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Speaker 2: Josh Allen, I don't want my guys throwing forty two times.

484
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Speaker 2: I don't want my offensive lineman backing up forty two

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Speaker 2: I want him going forward forty two times. It's interesting because.

486
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Speaker 1: Jalen's a little less hirky jerky though Caleb. I think

487
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Speaker 1: he's a little shorter area. I think Jalen's a better runner,

488
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Speaker 1: but a little more quick twitch. And to me, his

489
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Speaker 1: hirky jerkiness throws everything off. And part of it's young.

490
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Speaker 1: He's kind of seeing ghosts. But it's just I don't

491
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Speaker 1: know if we've seen something this like this go back

492
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Speaker 1: to like Sam Darnold Jets like this is a train wreck.

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Speaker 2: Colin offensively, I want to talk about another game. Let's

494
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Speaker 2: go back to an interesting game. Kansas City beats Denver

495
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Speaker 2: sixteen to fourteen, and I just I wrote what Kansas

496
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Speaker 2: City's become is a great moments team two for two

497
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 2: on fourth down, block to kick, great on third down,

498
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: only three penalties. They're still trying to figure out what

499
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Speaker 2: the hell they are a little bit offensively like they

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Speaker 2: don't you know they well.

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Speaker 1: They're this Colin is just ugly. Just keep us in

502
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Speaker 1: the game and we'll just try to win it with

503
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Speaker 1: five minutes left.

504
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Speaker 2: But when you have the best coach, the best quarterback,

505
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Speaker 2: arguably the best defense, the best third down offense, that's enough.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this about two weeks ago. About

507
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Speaker 2: every six years. I went back and looked at it was,

508
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Speaker 2: but every six to seven years a great team wins

509
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl. But mostly it's a really good team

510
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Speaker 2: with no huge hole that coaches can pick on you.

511
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Speaker 2: In a two week layoff for the Super Bowl. When

512
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Speaker 2: Mahomes didn't have both tackles, he gets routed. If he'd

513
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Speaker 2: had one, it would have been a game. Kansas City

514
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Speaker 2: is not terrible at anything. They're beat up. They're trying

515
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Speaker 2: to figure out their receiving corps. But because Mahomes is

516
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Speaker 2: so good and Andy Reid is so clever, it's functional.

517
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Speaker 2: It makes plays when you have to. I thought this

518
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Speaker 2: was the game. This was the game I did not

519
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Speaker 2: pick in Blazing five it was my last pick. I

520
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Speaker 2: thought Denver had a chance to win today. Same but

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Speaker 2: the takeaway I had beyond Kansas City doing that Bonix.

522
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Speaker 2: That final drive thirteen plays a little bit like Rock Purty.

523
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Speaker 2: You're like, I mean, he had eight different receivers today,

524
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Speaker 2: twenty two to thirty, two hundred and forty five yards,

525
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Speaker 2: a couple of touchdowns, great final drive. I think all

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Speaker 2: those college starts, like, I think he may have a

527
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Speaker 2: lower ceiling, but I think Denver is eight five drafted

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Speaker 2: players away and maybe a free agent signing from being

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Speaker 2: a pain in the ass to people. I think I

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Speaker 2: think Denver's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought this game was way more about Denver

532
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Speaker 1: than Kansas City. I mean, Kansas City just does this

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Speaker 1: every week. They're going to go fift, you know, fifteen

534
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Speaker 1: and two or sixteen and one, and everyone's going to go,

535
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Speaker 1: how the hell they do it? Well, they do it because,

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Speaker 1: like you said, it's the organizational competitive character that they're

537
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Speaker 1: know how their experience. I mean, they're missing the best

538
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Speaker 1: receiver who towards ACL they're starting running back like Kareem

539
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Speaker 1: Hunt's been an awesome story. There's a big drop off

540
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: between Jaco and him, huge so and you get him

541
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Speaker 1: back hopefully in December. It's a broken leg, so you

542
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: know that that'll be a big boost for them because

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Speaker 1: they're gonna win like this right twenty one to seventeen twenty.

544
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Speaker 1: But to me, Denver went in there as they should

545
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Speaker 1: have short week, Kansas City, a little gas, little and

546
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Speaker 1: they came in ready to win and Bo Nick hit

547
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Speaker 1: sudden on the on the beautiful touchdown pass. You're like,

548
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Speaker 1: there's gonna be the game. I thought, like, you know,

549
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Speaker 1: as finally the Chiefs just lose twenty eight to fifteen

550
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: or something, and they just find a way because defensively

551
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: they're good. Obviously the home crowd is pretty special. But

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Speaker 1: I think Denver this was probably one of their more

553
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Speaker 1: impressive weeks of the year, even counting their wins, just

554
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Speaker 1: because like, well, have to see how it breaks out

555
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Speaker 1: like that. That's seven seed when you look like obviously

556
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Speaker 1: the Jets are done. Culture in major trouble. You know,

557
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Speaker 1: when you look at the AFC Playoff, the Bengals are screwed.

558
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: You basically have the Steelers and Ravens. You know, one

559
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: team's gonna win Division. One team's gonna be.

560
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Speaker 2: In Steelers, Chiefs Chargers, Yeah, Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I think Denver could get the seven seed.

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Speaker 2: Colin so do I. I think the top is very

563
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Speaker 2: good Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City, and then I think the

564
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Speaker 2: wild card feels like.

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Speaker 1: Do you throw Pittsburgh in there too? Though I do.

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Speaker 2: I think let's say Pittsburgh becomes.

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Speaker 1: Find out when they play each other this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Baltimore at their best is better than Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: at their best.

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Speaker 1: Agreed.

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Speaker 2: So I think this the wild card teams and they

572
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Speaker 2: don't feel quite as good. Chargers not a ton of

573
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Speaker 2: juice offensively, but a good team. Denver rookie quarterback and Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: You have some limitations I think on you know, I

575
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Speaker 2: think Russell from the pocket, there's limitations if he was

576
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Speaker 2: trailing in a game and he put big heat on him.

577
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Speaker 2: But I will say with Denver, I mean Mahomes last

578
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Speaker 2: two games, no picks, first seven games, nine picks. So

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Speaker 2: what Kansas City has basically done. They've gotten those ugly

580
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Speaker 2: remember the start of the year where like Jesus Malmes

581
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Speaker 2: has like one or two just horrible pick. They've gotten

582
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Speaker 2: out of that space. The win for Kansas City is

583
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Speaker 2: harder than you think because of the short week. But

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Speaker 2: I think to your point, I think you looked at

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Speaker 2: Sean Payton and bow Knicks, and I think we could

586
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Speaker 2: both say he found his Drew Brees. He found his guy.

587
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Speaker 2: I don't know if he's as good as him, but

588
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Speaker 2: he found his guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean he's he's definitely made strides. Because

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Speaker 1: it was early. I think I didn't put as much

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Speaker 1: stock into some of the early games in the fourth

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Speaker 1: quarter when he played well, because it's like, I don't

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Speaker 1: the context of that the defense gave up. But I

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Speaker 1: do think the last couple of weeks you feel a

595
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Speaker 1: lot better about it. And let's face it, like there

596
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Speaker 1: are some rookie quarterbacks playing and obviously Jade and Daniels,

597
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Speaker 1: it couldn't have gotten much better. It's one of the

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Speaker 1: great Like I mean, we saw one of the greatest

599
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Speaker 1: rookie seasons of all time last year with CJ. Stroud.

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Speaker 1: I would put Jaden and Daniels right there, toe to

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Speaker 1: toe of like, jeez, it can't be this good, can it.

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Speaker 1: And then you have like Drake May who's on a

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Speaker 1: team that's so but you're watching me.

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Speaker 2: Go, well there's something there.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I would take that guy and then you

606
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Speaker 1: watch bo who doesn't have Drake's physical characteristics, who's not

607
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Speaker 1: as talented. Why one guy goes three to the other

608
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: guy most people thought was overdrafted. But you go with

609
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Speaker 1: this coach with this infrastructure, their defense. I mean that's

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Speaker 1: the one thing. Like if Sean Payton's has a defense

611
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Speaker 1: as he did in New Orleans with Drew Brees, they

612
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Speaker 1: were elite, right, So if you just give a defense,

613
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Speaker 1: like he'll figure out the offense. Most teams are not

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Speaker 1: Kansas City to me, I think they get to nine

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Speaker 1: wins and they would be the seventh seed. Now the

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Speaker 1: difference though, is you know, depending on who they play. Right,

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Speaker 1: if you're the seventh seed, you're playing the two seeds,

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Speaker 1: so you're playing Baltimore or Buffalo. Like, no one's betting

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Speaker 1: on Denver. I would say, no one's gonna want to

620
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Speaker 1: see the Chargers as the six seeds. Like if you're

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Speaker 1: Baltimore Pittsburgh, that will be a team that like, wait,

622
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Speaker 1: they're a five point underdog, like who I think Hardball

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Speaker 1: would be a team that people would believe in. Or Denver,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with it. One and done team in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs, probably like the Commanders and you tip your

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Speaker 1: hat to you feel good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look at their schedule, John Denver now

628
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Speaker 2: hosts the Falcons Dome team cold Weather, then they get

629
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Speaker 2: they face the Raiders, then they face the Browns at home,

630
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Speaker 2: then they get the Colts at home, and then they

631
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Speaker 2: go to the Chargers. I think they match up. It's

632
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Speaker 2: very close. So to your point, here is the you know,

633
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Speaker 2: preseason we're like, oh, you know, you look at some

634
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Speaker 2: of these teams. Then the Broncos end with the Bengals,

635
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Speaker 2: and by the way, they host the Chiefs in the

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Speaker 2: last week eighteen, Kansas City could be resting guys. At

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Speaker 2: that point, they could be.

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Speaker 1: Just and I'm looking at it right now. Technically at

639
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Speaker 1: five and five they are in the seventh spot, trailed

640
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Speaker 1: by Indianapolis, who, let's face it, I don't blame them.

641
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: I think they did the right thing. But the Flacco

642
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Anthony Richards things all out of whack. Now. Flacco looks

643
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: terrible and terrible, and the Bengals, who have this quarterback

644
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: who's can't play any better, and Jamar Chase, who looks

645
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: like Jerry Rice in his prime, cannot win games. So

646
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, you don't feel very and just because of

647
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: the division they're in. It's just a lot harder when

648
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: you got to play Pittsburgh Baltimore right then they don't

649
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: get the Raiders. Even Cleveland now throwing in Jamis is

650
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: a real team with real players. I would much rather

651
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: play the Raiders in the Browns. So I like that.

652
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Speaker 1: That was a pretty devastating loss for the Bengals the

653
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: other night, and that could be the difference why Denver

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Speaker 1: gets the seventh seed in the Bengals end up eight

655
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Speaker 1: to nine. I mean, it could just be the different

656
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: one teams nine and eight, the other team's eight nine.

657
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: That's it's that big of a difference.

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Speaker 2: Time for another edition of Sharp or Square. He's a

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Speaker 2: host of the Action Network. All of our odds are

660
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Speaker 2: always provided by DraftKings Sportsbook. All right, Chad Melman, there

661
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Speaker 2: are certain games I just want to watch and not bet.

662
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: But I would take the Steelers plus points hosting the Ravens.

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Speaker 2: The number is three and a half. It's one of

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Speaker 2: the bets of the weekend. At three, I still think

665
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Speaker 2: I would take it. I think George Pickens and Mike

666
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 2: Williams attack the Ravens. Baltimore is one of those teams,

667
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: and this is rare with a great team, they can

668
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: outplay you and then get beat by The Raiders can

669
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Speaker 2: get beat by inferior teams. They're so bad on the

670
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: back end. And I think Pittsburgh's a real story here.

671
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: I think it's the Seahawks light Russell's not what's what

672
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: he was was. But in this rivalry, even a field goal,

673
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 2: I'm taking the point Sharper square.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's totally sharp, and you've nailed it from a

675
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: couple different directions. Won the matchup the wise Guy seed

676
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 4: exactly the way you do. We've been watching it all

677
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 4: year with the Ravens where they're letting teams in the

678
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 4: back door, right. We saw it with the Commanders, they

679
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 4: were down a significant amount, they came back, they came

680
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: back and they were able to cover that game. We

681
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 4: saw it with the Bengals who were up so much

682
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: because they were able to attack the back end of

683
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Speaker 4: the Ravens defense. And don't forget no Kyle Humphrey in

684
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 4: this game, Kyle Humphrey is one of their if not

685
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 4: their best defender. And now that secondary is going to

686
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: be even worse. The overarching theme here and this is

687
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: the reason why professionals are on it. Don't forget this

688
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: game opened at three and a half. It is settled

689
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 4: at three. The wise guys are still on it. But

690
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: look in the regular season, in this game, in this

691
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 4: matchup the past twenty years, when the line is three

692
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 4: or more, the underdog twenty two, four and three, underdog

693
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: fifteen to two and one since two thousand and fifteen,

694
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 4: in the regular season, when Mike Tomlin fases John Harbaugh,

695
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 4: the underdog in this matchup twenty three, six and three,

696
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 4: and then you go into Mike Tomlin, the most profitable

697
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Speaker 4: coach as an underdog in the past twenty years in

698
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Speaker 4: the NFL. And by the way, John Harbaugh when he's

699
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: a favorite is not nearly as good as when he's

700
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: a dog in this matchup. So there is a matchup reason,

701
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 4: and there is also historical reasons to consider the Steelers

702
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: at plus three.

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Speaker 2: You're sharp, you know, I like the number four and five.

704
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: So Greg Cosell said something on my show today that

705
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: had influence over me. This was going to be a

706
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: stay away game. But the Packers offensive coach off of

707
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: buy at Chicago, and what Greg Cosell said, it's not

708
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: a Shane Waldron issue. Much like Justin Fields or Zach Wilson,

709
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams is not seeing coverage. He's not seeing it.

710
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: He is not able to see something. Spot it, get

711
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 2: the ball out quickly. Green Bay I think has its

712
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: most aggressive defense in years. I love the Boston College coach.

713
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: I think he's been a really nice fit for them.

714
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: Under the radar, low Key really knows his side of

715
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: the ball. It's five. I would take Green Bay. I

716
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: know it's a division rivalry game, but good organization. Coach

717
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: Jordan loves healthier sharper square.

718
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 4: So the wise guys have been on the bearers in

719
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 4: this game. It's moved from six to five and a

720
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 4: half to now five in some places. I agree with

721
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 4: you for what it's worth for me, this is a

722
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 4: pass or it's the Packers. I think there's so much

723
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: dysfunction with the Bears, and the reason why the wise

724
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 4: guys are taking them right now is because they believe

725
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: this is bottomed out right. It's gotten as bad as

726
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 4: it can get in the locker room, it can't get

727
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 4: any worse. Whether you believe the players were responsible for

728
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: getting Shane Waldron fired, DJ Moore said that didn't happen

729
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: whether you believe that the system can now get a

730
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: little bit less complex and easier for Kayleb Williams, whether

731
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: you believe that they're getting two offensive linemen back, which

732
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: they are and will make him feel more comfortable in

733
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: the pocket. This team has been full of chaos, and

734
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 4: so the wise guys are betting literally that it cannot

735
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: get any worse in a division game against their rival

736
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 4: at home. The flip side is entirely about what the

737
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 4: Packers can do. They have been very opportunistic as a

738
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 4: defense this year. A lot of an they cannot rush

739
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 4: the passer, but what they can do offensively, and this

740
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 4: is where Matt Lafleur has been a genius figure out

741
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 4: how to best take advantage of what the Bears are

742
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 4: bad at on defense. The Bears are not a very

743
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 4: good rushing defense. We've seen what Matt Lafleor does with

744
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 4: someone like Josh Jacobs when he knows he doesn't have

745
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 4: Jordan Love, he just figures out creative ways to get

746
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 4: the running game in motion. He will likely do that

747
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 4: against the Bears.

748
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Speaker 1: Also.

749
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Speaker 4: Matt Lafleur seven and three when favored by four points

750
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 4: or more over the past two decades, Road favorites off

751
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: of a buy covered a sixty percent clip, road favorites

752
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: of five and a half or more cover at a

753
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 4: seventy percent clip. So there's lots of reasons to like

754
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 4: the Packers here. The wise guys, I think the right

755
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 4: side is the Bears.

756
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 2: So Journey had a song years ago and one of

757
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: the lyrics is I can't stop loving you, and I feel,

758
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 2: I feel that's like odds makers on the Jets. This

759
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: is a bad test. How in God's name were they?

760
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: They favored it the Arizona It was never competitive, Colts

761
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 2: getting over a field goal. So Anthony Richardson, I'm tired,

762
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to go to the sidelines. Not a smart move.

763
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: It's not punishable by a month on the bench. He

764
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: learned his lesson when he's healthy. He's kind of a

765
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: fascinating player that's hard to defend because you have nobody

766
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: in practice that can duplicate. He's a defensive end that

767
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: plays quarterback. He's a huge, tackle breaking tornado of activity.

768
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 2: That's not a great quarterback. But I'm taking the points

769
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: here all day. Sharper Square.

770
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: It's a fifty to fifty game right now, and I

771
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 4: agree with you. You think about Journey. I think that

772
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 4: same way when I think about offensive lines who are

773
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 4: really really physical, and the Colts offensive line when it

774
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 4: comes to run blocking is super physical, best in the NFL,

775
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 4: and we saw this last week. I loved the Colts

776
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: last week against the Bills at home. And if not

777
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 4: from Joe Flacco and three turnovers and if not for

778
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: getting sacked when it's fourth and inches, I know, if

779
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 4: not for, if not for, if not for, then all

780
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: of a sudden, I'm playing in the NFL. But the

781
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,399
Speaker 4: point is they ran the ball on the Bills. They

782
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: had more than one hundred and twenty yards rushing and

783
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor went from more than one hundred and average

784
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: five and a half yards per carry, so they were

785
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: able to do exactly what they wanted to do against

786
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 4: the Bills. The Jets defense from a rushing perspective is

787
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 4: worse than the Bills rush defense, and the team overall

788
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 4: is much worse than the Bills are. And now you're

789
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 4: getting Anthony Richardson back to your point, this is a

790
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 4: better opportunity for Shane Steiken to let everybody run with

791
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 4: the ball and dominate the Jets, who if you watched

792
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 4: last week, against the Cardinals. They were afraid to tackle anybody.

793
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 4: This is not a physical defense, and they have gotten

794
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 4: so much worse since Robert Silo was fired. So the

795
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 4: line moved down from four to three and a half,

796
00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 4: from actually from four and a half to four to

797
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 4: three and a half, indicating that the wise guys were

798
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 4: on the Colts. It's come back a little bit on

799
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: the on the Jets, and so now it's settled at

800
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 4: for the majority of wise guys are with you and

801
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 4: they will be on the Colts.

802
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 2: Well. A Rams minus four and a half that key

803
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 2: number of game at New England, so very rarely is

804
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: have I ever seen a Sean McVay team out coached.

805
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 2: It felt like they were out schemed early. It was

806
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: like an I thought it was an embarrassing game for

807
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 2: Sean McVay and it was hard to digest because the Dolphins,

808
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 2: a poor pass rushing team without blitzing, just rushing four

809
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: were getting relentless pressure. And my take is good coaches

810
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 2: and good quarterbacks have stinkers. The Rams are getting healthy.

811
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 2: That was not the Rams. They were playing very good.

812
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: It's a short week. I think New England now are

813
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: all buyding to Drake May. This Rams defense is really good. Now,

814
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 2: Drake May is not toua, He's not. They don't have

815
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: those weapons. They're not going to listen to. Rams brought

816
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 2: some and they got burned on third down because two

817
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: is a really good NFL quarterback. I'd swallowed the four

818
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: and a half here take the Ram Sharper square.

819
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 3: So it's been square.

820
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: And I got to tell you, we've talked about executive

821
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 4: decisions before. I don't know why the wise guys are

822
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 4: on the Patriots here. It doesn't make any sense to

823
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 4: me at all. This is a bilo on the better team,

824
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: sell high on the worst team situation. Why would you

825
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: be betting the Patriots who are so high on life

826
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: after beating up on the Bears on the road a

827
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 4: franchise tying record nine sacks against Caleb Williams. And look,

828
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 4: I watched that game, obviously, the Rams and the Dolphins too.

829
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 4: I looked at it a little differently. The Rams have

830
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 4: five field goals. The Rams red zone this season has

831
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: been atrocious, and to me, that was sort of the

832
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 4: bottoming out right. Every time they got close, it was

833
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 4: a sack, it was a botch snap, it was a fumble,

834
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: it was a mistake. And then there were a couple

835
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 4: times defensively. You know, they had that third and twenty

836
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 4: five that they gave up, and they gave up a

837
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 4: penalty on that one too. They had another field goal,

838
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: they made the field goal five yard illegal motion penalty,

839
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 4: they moved back, and then all of a sudden they

840
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 4: missed the field goal. So to me, it was just

841
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 4: it was a game full of bad breaks, bad mistakes.

842
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 4: It's a better team. You're getting the much better team

843
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 4: in a bounce back spot with a relatively low number.

844
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 4: So I like that. By the way, teams who have

845
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 4: been favorites at home and lost and then our favorites

846
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: the following week on the road about sixty percent the

847
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 4: past twenty years against the spread. And by the way,

848
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 4: Sean McVeigh short rest fourteen and six against the spread,

849
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 4: ten and one in his last eleven games with Matthew

850
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: Stafford six and one on short rest, Like, I don't

851
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 4: understand the move here. It doesn't make any sense to me.

852
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, let's go with the Rams.

853
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: Kansas plus two and a half at Buffalo. I think

854
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: Buffalo is the most equipped they've ever been to beat

855
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 2: Kansas City. But now Coleman's not playing, and Amari Cooper's

856
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: banned up and Kincaid might not play. You're not beating

857
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 2: him at half strength because they're going to put you

858
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 2: an uncomfortable third and longs and it's a and they're

859
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: getting by the way, they're getting Pachecko back, so that

860
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 2: that can be a difference maker for their run game,

861
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: which has been pretty pedestrian. Kareem Hunt's not a bad

862
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 2: receiver out of the backfield, but he doesn't have any

863
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: jet fuel anymore. This feels like an obvious one Chiefs

864
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 2: plus the points, even though it's not three sharper square.

865
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 1: Yeah.

866
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 4: So what's interesting about this is on Sunday night, this

867
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 4: line opened at Chiefs plus one and it started skyrocketing higher.

868
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 4: And Sunday nights Monday mornings, that's when the wise guys

869
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 4: are betting. They're taking advantage of some early lines. So

870
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: if there are line moves in that first twenty four

871
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 4: hour window, that's professional money. And this line moved from

872
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 4: Kansas City plus one, Kansas City plus one and a half,

873
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 4: Kansas City plus two, Kansas City plus two and a half,

874
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 4: and it made no sense. This is a little bit

875
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: like the Steelers where you know what the precedent is.

876
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 4: You know Mike Tomlin does this x percent amount of time.

877
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 4: That is what we call in the betting business a

878
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 4: plus EV plus expected value return on your investment.

879
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: Right, so you just bet it.

880
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 4: Like he might not love it, You might get burned

881
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 4: on it four times out of ten, but six times

882
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 4: out of ten you're.

883
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: Going to win.

884
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 4: The percentages with Patrick Mahomes as an underdog or a

885
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: favorite of less than three are so much higher than

886
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: anything else you could possibly imagine. And sure, maybe he's

887
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 4: getting by with a little bit voodoo this year. Maybe

888
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 4: he's been incredibly lucky. Maybe there are games they should

889
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: have lost to the forty nine ers, maybe they should

890
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: have lost to the Broncos, like there have been spots.

891
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: But look twelve one and one against the spread his

892
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 4: Mahomes as an underdog. Okay, his only against the spread

893
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 4: loss was against the Bills two years ago, two and

894
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 4: a half point underdogs. They lost by four, twenty five

895
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: and ten straight up twenty six, eight and one in

896
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 4: his career against the spread as a favorite of three

897
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 4: or fewer points or as an underdog, like, I'm with you,

898
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 4: you just don't bet against Patrick Mahomes in the spot

899
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 4: if people didn't learn their lesson in the Super Bowl

900
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 4: where he was a two and a half point underdog.

901
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: If Patrick Mahomes is close, ask yourself this, do you

902
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 4: want to be betting against him at the end of

903
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 4: the game? Are you going to feel comfortable with that? No,

904
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 4: nobody is. And to your point, Kean Coleman out, Amari

905
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: Cooper out, Kinkaid if he does play is playing with

906
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 4: the cast. They're a little banged up on the right

907
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: side of their offensive line, like there are reasons to

908
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 4: be afraid to bet on the Bills beyond Patrick Mahomes.

909
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 4: So yes, this line has come down, by the way

910
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 4: to answer the original question, So it's starting to become

911
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 4: sharp to bet on the Chiefs.

912
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,879
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929
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 2: my picks. So the Chargers are only minus one and

930
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: a half and I looked at that number and thought,

931
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 2: why that's a funky number. No, it's not the offense.

932
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: I'm going to take the Bengals plus the points. Here

933
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: here's why. So they played on Thursday. Now they get it.

934
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: Not only do they get extra rest, they don't play

935
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: till Monday. So it's a strange. It's really a lot

936
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 2: of extra rest. As I've told you, if you have

937
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: a great quarterback and an offensive coach, I think that

938
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: time matters. The Jets have an old quarterback and an

939
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: interim coach that extra rest against Arizona didn't matter. But

940
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: I think Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow and they're already

941
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: humming and the Chargers. Everybody loves the Chargers. They don't

942
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: have a ton of downfield weapons. They have very few

943
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: plus twenty yard plays, so there's a way they have

944
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 2: to play to win long drives. Long drives are hard,

945
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: naltyes fumbles, it's hard to create nine to ten and

946
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: eleven play drives. Bengals score quickly, they get freebies. I'm

947
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 2: gonna take the points to the Bengals the rest sharper square.

948
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sharp this numbers move. It opened at two

949
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 4: and a half last Sunday to move down to about

950
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: got down to one actually, and then bounced up a

951
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,359
Speaker 4: little bit with some Charger money at one and a half.

952
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: But it's definitely the sharp side. I I I agree

953
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:30,880
Speaker 4: with you, like you want to be on the Bengal

954
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 4: side here for the same reason you don't want to

955
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: bet against Patrick Mahomes. Do you want to be betting

956
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 4: against Joe Burrow who lights out this year, who has

957
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 4: an underdog is second only to Patrick Mahomes, and how

958
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,720
Speaker 4: well he performs amongst this current class of quarterbacks. You don't.

959
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 4: The reason why there would be any sentiment in favor

960
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 4: of the Chargers right now is because this has been

961
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 4: a very strange gambling year. You know, to look Macro

962
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: here you as a business man, as someone who has

963
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: succeeded far beyond just being a media personality. The past

964
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 4: two weeks has been earning season for public traded companies, right,

965
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 4: That includes sports betting operators. The two major sports betting

966
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 4: operators both had to reduce their revenue expectations for the

967
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 4: year because of what they have defined as customer friendly outcomes,

968
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 4: meaning there has been hundreds of millions of dollars in

969
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: reduce revenue because so many favorites are winning this year,

970
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 4: so many more than expected, right, And what that means

971
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 4: is that teams like the Chargers have been over exceeding

972
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,919
Speaker 4: the expectations favorites because they do exactly what you want

973
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 4: them to do. They don't make high variant coaching decisions

974
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 4: because Harbaught is very consistent. You know what he's going

975
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 4: to do. They don't turn the ball over. They're really disciplined,

976
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 4: so they don't have the stupid penalties that a lot

977
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 4: of other teams have having and those things have been

978
00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 4: impacting the games in a much wider way than they

979
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 4: have in previous years. So that's why people like the

980
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 4: Chargers right now is the Chargers are making people money.

981
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 4: But the sharp side in this game are the Bengals.

982
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: Always a game I want you to pick for me.

983
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: I like Denver at home minus two and a half

984
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 2: against Atlanta. Kirk Cousins not one hundred percent Pennix could play,

985
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 2: and though he played it Indiana and Washington, cold wet

986
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: weather areas, it's a tough opening assignment. Denver's getting a

987
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: tremendous pass rush. I do worry that out playing Kansas

988
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: City and losing the way they did is an emotional

989
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 2: gut punch for the Broncos. I do think there's something there.

990
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: But bo Nicks and this Denver team, they know they're

991
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 2: not a hoisted trophy team, like they know they're going

992
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: to lose games like this. They have a rookie quarterback,

993
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: a thin roster, and I think there's value in playing

994
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: close and out playing the Super Bowl champs. I think

995
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: they actually come out of that game thinking shit, bo

996
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: Nicks out played Mahomes. I don't think this is a

997
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: veteran team that really SAgs and thinks. You know, Buffalo

998
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 2: losing to the Chiefs again the following week, you like,

999
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: you really have a low energy locker room. I'm going

1000
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 2: to take Denver here. Tell me why I'm right or wrong.

1001
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 4: Well, I actually cannot decide on this game. It's so

1002
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 4: interesting you bring it up because early in the week

1003
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 4: I loved Atlanta. Here I thought to myself, Atlanta really

1004
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 4: shouldn't have lost that game, and against New Orleans, and

1005
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 4: you know I love New Orleans. Last week I tried

1006
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 4: to get you to come along with me on New Orleans.

1007
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 4: You are not having it. You will not that game

1008
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: I want. You don't want to watch. You totally get it.

1009
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 4: Respect the theory, but I felt like at the end

1010
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 4: of the game, New Orleans scored three points in the

1011
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 4: second half, the Falcons missed multiple field goals, including a

1012
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 4: field goal that could have tied the game with six

1013
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 4: minutes left. They had a very unlucky game. And now

1014
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 4: you got Kirk Cousins, who just historically is great against

1015
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 4: the spread, great straight up coming off a loss. I

1016
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 4: really like the the Falcons have been running the ball.

1017
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 4: Bijon has been a different level of player than he

1018
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 4: was in his rookie season. He's showing all the things

1019
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 4: that everyone was excited about, receding out of the backfield,

1020
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 4: his ability to run away from tacklers, the ability to

1021
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 4: run people over. I then thought about, Okay, two and

1022
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 4: a half feels high. You know, it feels like you're

1023
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 4: overvaluing the Broncos and their ability to and what they

1024
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 4: did against the Chiefs, And I, like you, I felt

1025
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 4: like the chief the Broncos walk away that of that

1026
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 4: game against the Chiefs and be like, we're emboldened. I

1027
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 4: would not be crushifyed with them at all. I'd be

1028
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 4: going into a thinking, Wow, we can hang like we

1029
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 4: are a really good team. And you and I have

1030
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,760
Speaker 4: talked about this where Sean Payton has done with bo Nicks,

1031
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 4: talk about the opposite of Caleb Williams right like he

1032
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 4: has basically throwing the book at him and gotten him

1033
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,360
Speaker 4: better and better and better every single week. And that

1034
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 4: Falcons defense, they don't pressure Anybody going to look at

1035
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 4: this and be like are they even playing defense? Is

1036
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 4: anybody trying to come after me? Because of the difference

1037
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 4: between how aggressive the Chiefs are. So I'm having a

1038
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 4: hard time finding the winner in this one. I don't

1039
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 4: I'm probably not going to bet it. I don't have

1040
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 4: a strong opinion. The wise guys don't really have a

1041
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 4: strong opinion on this either. They lean Denver. But you're

1042
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 4: not seeing people running to the window saying, I got

1043
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 4: to get a ticket on the Broncos.

1044
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 2: Finally, what's the game I should be betting that I

1045
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: have overlooked?

1046
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 4: I mean, I can't believe I have to say it,

1047
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 4: but hello Cleveland, Like, are you kidding me? We've got

1048
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 4: the Browns off a by with a healthier defense. You

1049
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 4: look at their you look at their injury report, there's

1050
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 4: nobody on it. So Kevin Stefanski builds a game plan

1051
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 4: where he's basically just handing the ball to Nick Chubb

1052
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 4: behind what if it had been healthy from the beginning

1053
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 4: of the year, would have been a top five offensive line,

1054
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 4: and you've got a top five defensive line going against

1055
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 4: Derek Carr, who, when he's not pressured, as we saw

1056
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 4: against the Falcons, can be a really good quarterback, and

1057
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 4: when he is pressured basically becomes one of the most

1058
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 4: losing quarterbacks in NFL history. So how am I not

1059
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 4: vetting the Browns after the Saints basically just won their

1060
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,959
Speaker 4: Super Bowl. This was the game they had to win.

1061
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 4: I will not bet on the Saints again this year.

1062
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 4: That was a one time thing. Now I'll bet the Browns.

1063
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 4: And by the way, the wise guys have been betting

1064
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 4: the Browns. The line open to two and a half,

1065
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: down to two, one and a half one, now it's

1066
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 4: a half. There are a lot of places where the

1067
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 4: Browns it's going to flip and they're going to be favorite.

1068
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 4: So if you want to get it, get it now.

1069
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: Cleveland minus one at New Orleans. How disgusting, So disgusting that.

1070
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 4: You are betting on Jamis in his homecoming revenge game

1071
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 4: in New Orleans, the team that ran him out of

1072
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 4: town after he got Jamal Williams a touchdown last year,

1073
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 4: Like he is going to, Kevin Stefanski is going to

1074
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 4: have to do everything he can possibly do to keep

1075
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 4: Jamis from making terrible, terrible throws and putting him in

1076
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,919
Speaker 4: bad positions and then the fifteen times that he asks

1077
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 4: him to throw in the game. He's just got to

1078
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 4: cross his fingers.

1079
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:35,960
Speaker 2: And pray any feeling on the Seahawks getting six and

1080
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: a half at San Francisco zero same I get same.

1081
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 4: I can't get the Niners. You look at the box score,

1082
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 4: they should have beaten the Buccaneers by nine hundred points.

1083
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 2: I believe me. It was my lock of that year

1084
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 2: San Francisco.

1085
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, it made no sense. And even like the Jake

1086
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 4: Moody misses, if he had made one of those field goals,

1087
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 4: the last field goal, they still win by six and

1088
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 4: they cover the five and a half. So it makes

1089
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 4: no sense to me. Their red zone struggles continue. You

1090
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 4: got to wonder how much does Brandon I you not

1091
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 4: being there really make a difference. Clearly it's something. It's

1092
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 4: more than just Debo and any injuries or Christian mccaffree

1093
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 4: and any injuries. I also wonder, Look Trent Williams, who

1094
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 4: we love and is a dominant offensive lineman and one

1095
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 4: of the best in the NFL. He missed all a

1096
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 4: training camp and he's old, So you got to ask yourself,

1097
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 4: all right, did that actually have more of an impact.

1098
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 4: They aren't as dominant an offensive line. They already weren't

1099
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 4: a great offensive line going into the season, and what

1100
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan's schemes usually masks that deficiency less so this year.

1101
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 4: So I don't have any opinion on this. Meanwhile, the

1102
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 4: Seahawks like they just waive their leading tackler. I think

1103
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 4: they're still trying to figure out who they are defensively,

1104
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 4: so I'm going to pass on this game.

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00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 2: As always. Chad Milman, Thanks man, good to see your brother.

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Speaker 1: The volume.

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