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Speaker 1: hosts Isaiah Stanback, heck My Harrison, Rob Phillips and Kyle Yeoman's.
Speaker 1: It is a Talking Cowboys Tuesday here from the s
Speaker 1: WBC studios at the Star in Frisco. Welcome in everybody,
Speaker 1: as we welcome you back into an off season. Addition,
Speaker 1: we are post draft, we are previewing rookie mini camp,
Speaker 1: and of course the off season rolling along here from
Speaker 1: Frisco as well. Fantastic. How do you feel? I feel good, man.
Speaker 1: You know what they had Mother's Day weekend, so I
Speaker 1: guess we should be be respectful, Yes we should. How
Speaker 1: is Mother's Day for you guys? Did you guys do
Speaker 1: anything special for your mothers, your wives? First time having
Speaker 1: my mom and my and my wife in the same
Speaker 1: city at the same time for my Mother's Day. Oh
Speaker 1: that's fun. It's dope. It was dope. It worked. So
Speaker 1: you went over in the ball Oh no, it just normal,
Speaker 1: you say, your mom did brunch. Okay, brunch was fired
Speaker 1: and then took him to the mall. Yeah, we did brunch,
Speaker 1: took them to the mall, grabbed them both something, and
Speaker 1: then we went to Grandscape, got some ice cream. Humble.
Speaker 1: That's the humble brag, right there. I love you talking
Speaker 1: about I didn't do much, Louis. We were no sir, Bob.
Speaker 1: You know me. Hey, by one o'clock, we was done.
Speaker 1: Way to do it, dude. By one o'clock we was
Speaker 1: at a am. That's crazy. See that he was feeding
Speaker 1: them amos se brunch. That's why you were done by one.
Speaker 1: But about what you put down. We're postponing till this weekend.
Speaker 1: I'll postponing into this weekend. Yeah, the kiddo has been
Speaker 1: a little sick, so we're gonna we're gonna make up
Speaker 1: for it. Nice. Yeah, so we had a chill we
Speaker 1: had We had literally a very chill Mother's Day. But
Speaker 1: you gotta do something right. We can't just say, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll just do it next week. That doesn't work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I technically postponed mine as well. I'm taking my mom
Speaker 1: to a Rangers game on Monday, so nice. It'll be
Speaker 1: a mother's son who they play thing? Uh the Angels,
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim to come to town. I'll
Speaker 1: go with you. I like them. Half those guys were
Speaker 1: on my minor league teams out there. So yeah, whenever
Speaker 1: the Mariner's going to tell you, yeah, we'll go, we'll go.
Speaker 1: I've got a Mariner's hat. Everybody's taking care of Mother's Day.
Speaker 1: You're gonna take your mom told you, yeah, what did you?
Speaker 1: God guess well. I was in dripping sprinks calling lacrosse
Speaker 1: well timed drops, waiting on it. He was hovering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not the Mario coint you know, didn't get to it.
Speaker 1: I was calling the state lacrosse, the THHS LLL state,
Speaker 1: that's what's up, tournament. So I'm making up for Mother's
Speaker 1: Day all week, so not just next weekend, a week
Speaker 1: a week. She didn't tell me you took her to
Speaker 1: her favorite restaurant early on the week. I did, so
Speaker 1: I had to get the party started right after. I
Speaker 1: knew what I was gonna do. But you had a birthday.
Speaker 1: I did, and and a bachelor party. Wait a minute
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, pointed so he popping on the handstand,
Speaker 1: humping your back and lift your rump. Oh my going
Speaker 1: on a lot of a lot of Todd Anthony Shaw
Speaker 1: being played? Sure, yeah, yeah, do you know who taught
Speaker 1: Anthony Shaw? I don't actually he popping on a handstand.
Speaker 1: You know what they mean? Good? No, you don't know
Speaker 1: who young noah vibes that I got this weekend. I'm
Speaker 1: really disappointed that you don't know who Todd Anthony shafter
Speaker 1: maybe if I heard it, maybe so I know people here. No, well,
Speaker 1: let me just say it like this. Uh. Todd Anthony
Speaker 1: Shaw is an American born rapper from East Oakland who
Speaker 1: goes by the moniker too Short. We will be playing
Speaker 1: a lot of him during your bachelor party, Kyle. Yes,
Speaker 1: well I didn't know that. I didn't know that was
Speaker 1: too short. But that's my I had no idea. No,
Speaker 1: that's my wheelhouse man early early nineties, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know his realm. This makes me feel better because, well,
Speaker 1: you didn't know who too Short is? Period? I know who,
Speaker 1: I don't know who, whatever the name was, You don't
Speaker 1: do it. I thought it early. I'm still trim that
Speaker 1: you went to the BT uncut. I don't understand you
Speaker 1: come on eleven o'clock. It was a it was a
Speaker 1: fun weekend. And we have already seen that this is
Speaker 1: spilling over in five minutes five minutes into the show,
Speaker 1: and we have not talked a lick of Cowboys soft
Speaker 1: season at its best this weekend. By the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby, Tom Brady is going to be a football
Speaker 1: analyst after he retires. That's why I want to see
Speaker 1: that bag. Jeezus, Miami ron Prix Formula one was big.
Speaker 1: The fact that they secured that already. You know the
Speaker 1: bag is dumb. Well, they had to do something after Troy, Yeah, bulls.
Speaker 1: They elevated. Yeah, they upgraded for sure. Sorry, Daryl. Darryl
Speaker 1: moose Johnston was kind of right man, and he's great.
Speaker 1: He is. You know, Tommy got Brady is a different
Speaker 1: aging will Darryl moose Johnson, he doesn't age. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's doing, but it looks good
Speaker 1: on him. Him and for real, doing a great job.
Speaker 1: We need to get it, my boy. Kevin burkehart On,
Speaker 1: I would love that action. You know, someone on this
Speaker 1: show interviewed Kevin Brooke Harton excuse me on this website?
Speaker 1: All right, what dial it up? Yeah? Get him one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's make it. Let's make it happen. I would love that.
Speaker 1: Uh Rob. News and notes for the Cowboys have been
Speaker 1: pretty dry recently. I mean it's a quiet time around
Speaker 1: the Star, but we do have rookie Minicamp coming up
Speaker 1: this weekend. Anything stick out to you over the last week.
Speaker 1: We are waiting till Thursday, when the rookies arrive. I
Speaker 1: think it's well, it's nine draft picks, it is. I
Speaker 1: think twenty ish rookie free agents, handful of veteran guys,
Speaker 1: like first year eligible guys who will take part, a
Speaker 1: couple tryout guys. They'll come in Thursday, they'll get their
Speaker 1: physicals done, everything checks out, they'll sign their contracts, get
Speaker 1: their equipment, and then we'll have some football on the
Speaker 1: field Friday and Saturday Football Americano. So it starts Thursday,
Speaker 1: but no like on field stuff really Thursday, right, No, No, Thursday,
Speaker 1: just come in check again, get everything rolling, physicals. That's
Speaker 1: why the deals are not signed yet because guys that's
Speaker 1: all got to check out. So they'll take care of that.
Speaker 1: And it used to be Zaya tell me if I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: but I want to say you came in and up
Speaker 1: until a few years ago. It was the week after
Speaker 1: the draft. Guys would come in for the rookie camp. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't mother's weekend, and it just was a combination
Speaker 1: of like, I remember it was hot. I remember that. See. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was two practices I think a day, and you
Speaker 1: know there's been situations where guys have puked called earl.
Speaker 1: I was on a bike, man, I was still injured. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was still on rehab protocol. So they threw me
Speaker 1: on a bike in the Devil's playground out there, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah it was hot man. They Valley Ranch. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett finally scrapped Hot Brot. Yeah, bro I was. I'm
Speaker 1: telling I went from Seattle, which was like like upper
Speaker 1: forties yea, to all of a sudden came down here
Speaker 1: and it was been in mid nineties, and I just
Speaker 1: saw Jesus on that bike. I was on a bike
Speaker 1: all day. And that's that's the thing, Like there's guys
Speaker 1: that come from different climates and you haven't you're not
Speaker 1: in football shape, you've been auditioning for the draft. It's
Speaker 1: not the same. It's nowhere near the same. And then
Speaker 1: get thrown into two days and finally Garrett was like scrapped.
Speaker 1: This is that literally, you're welcome to welcome to the
Speaker 1: NFL moment as a rookie or as it m at
Speaker 1: camp OTAs no not mine mines. Was against my first
Speaker 1: practice in camp, coming off of injury and all that jazz,
Speaker 1: not having gone through Ricky stuff, because I was hurt
Speaker 1: stepping on the field and my We were practicing against
Speaker 1: Denmer Broncos. And my first rep of one on ones
Speaker 1: we were doing one on ones was against some dude
Speaker 1: named Champ Bailey. Oh yeah, that I ran the only
Speaker 1: route that I knew how to run because I had
Speaker 1: never played receiver straight, go straight and fast, seaball, catch ball,
Speaker 1: walked other directions, don't make eye contact. So how did
Speaker 1: that go for you? I did it, and I caught it,
Speaker 1: and I walked the other direction. I didn't make eye contact.
Speaker 1: I did not want to run it back. So I
Speaker 1: won that one. That's not your welcome to the rookie,
Speaker 1: he was the NFL. When you win, idn't even know almost.
Speaker 1: It's like when Kyle humbled, didn't Kyle no, no, no, listen.
Speaker 1: I was already humbled. I was already humbled. I was
Speaker 1: humbled because I came in injured playing a position I
Speaker 1: never played before. So I was humbled already. On the
Speaker 1: receiving room that had they had THO, Yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: had some dudes in there, right, t O, TG we
Speaker 1: had some guys, We had some ghosts and PC. So
Speaker 1: I step on the field, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: the heck I'm wearing. I'm wearing all the pads. So
Speaker 1: these guys are clowning me because I'm wearing all the
Speaker 1: thigh pads, all the knee pads. You know, receivers don't
Speaker 1: wear decisions. Dude, I'm out there and TiO and those
Speaker 1: guys are like, what the heck is that? So they're
Speaker 1: clown to me. I don't know how to stand that
Speaker 1: in a receiver position. I don't think people understand how
Speaker 1: raw raw I remember that coming straight out the ocean.
Speaker 1: They just remember that coming up in the locker room
Speaker 1: around that was that was you know, part of the
Speaker 1: that was my wokan. So anyway, they they they used
Speaker 1: to do this the week after. Now it gives a
Speaker 1: chance for guys number one to just get their affars
Speaker 1: in order. Everything settled after the draft, and they come
Speaker 1: right in and jump into the offseason program and it's
Speaker 1: we'll get into we can get into what the camp's
Speaker 1: gonna look like, but it's getting guys ready for OTAs
Speaker 1: when the vets. You know, it's not gonna be super strenuous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we've kind of seen that over the last couple
Speaker 1: of off seasons from the virtual standpoint of twenty twenty
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one where it was one of those
Speaker 1: times and we had talked about it on this show
Speaker 1: many times in the past that it's it's lighter from
Speaker 1: a from an off season standpoint, when you get to
Speaker 1: trading camp, you still hit the ground running, you still
Speaker 1: have your practices, but from an off season standpoint, it's
Speaker 1: a lot of install it's a lot of getting up
Speaker 1: to speed, getting ready for OTAs and building of course
Speaker 1: to Oxnard in late July. But how much can you
Speaker 1: get out of a camp like this, Isaiah, from a
Speaker 1: players standpoint, from a coaching standpoint, how much can you
Speaker 1: really see and really learn from a rookie mini camp
Speaker 1: when you finally do get to see your your guys
Speaker 1: for the first time. But also it's still very limited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe from a coach's perspective, they just want they
Speaker 1: want to affirm what they've seen on film. They want
Speaker 1: to make sure that their selection or you know, whether
Speaker 1: if they're your draft pick or if you're a free agent.
Speaker 1: You know what they everybody has film. They want to
Speaker 1: affirm that what they saw is true, and they want
Speaker 1: to they want to just see glimpses of it. Oh yeah, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: we made the right decision. From the players standpoint, you
Speaker 1: want to go out there and compete. The coaches are
Speaker 1: going to test you in terms of your your ability
Speaker 1: to be able to absorb information. They're gonna throw a
Speaker 1: lot at you. Really if it's gonna be very simple,
Speaker 1: but maybe not so simple depending on the program that
Speaker 1: you're coming from, and they're gonna want to try to overwhelm.
Speaker 1: You'll see exactly how you handle it. You're in a
Speaker 1: new environment. You're out there trying to compete every play
Speaker 1: because you think that every play is going to be
Speaker 1: the thing that gets you cut. And then then they're
Speaker 1: gonna throw a whole bunch on you mentally and see
Speaker 1: what can you can handle. And then physically physically you're
Speaker 1: gonna be taxed because to rob your rock Pea's point,
Speaker 1: you have been literally training to do tests You've been
Speaker 1: training to push as much weight as you can as
Speaker 1: many times you can. You've been trained to run forty
Speaker 1: yards and stop. You've been trained to jump as high
Speaker 1: as you can. You have I've been training to play
Speaker 1: football because the unfortunately what this NFL has turned into,
Speaker 1: at least as combine, is how how well you can
Speaker 1: do something. That's how that's how much money you're gonna
Speaker 1: make coming out of college. If you if you're you
Speaker 1: might have been a fourth round guy. You go out
Speaker 1: there and run of four two, guess what you are
Speaker 1: now you're a first round guy or a start of
Speaker 1: the top of a second just because you're just because
Speaker 1: you worked so hard on that one aspect. And so
Speaker 1: that's what guys are training for. They're putting a lot
Speaker 1: of emphasis, a lot of weight on that because that's
Speaker 1: what their agents are paying for them to go do.
Speaker 1: Train for the combine, not trained for the league. So heck,
Speaker 1: when you're watching these practices later in the week, are
Speaker 1: you looking for the side the sides? Are you looking
Speaker 1: for the reading ability the first step? Is it that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff it's all football related or does the
Speaker 1: athletics sism kind of play into that? I mean, We
Speaker 1: saw it last year with Michael Parsons during Mini camp
Speaker 1: where it kind of clicked and said, oh, this guy
Speaker 1: can do a little bit more than just playoff ball linebacker.
Speaker 1: You know, Kyle, I really don't for me not being
Speaker 1: able to hear the teaching install portion of it, because
Speaker 1: I realized that's the biggest portion for the for the
Speaker 1: coaches is breaking down the terminology that you were just
Speaker 1: talking about getting guys acclam made it to the NFL
Speaker 1: as far as the knowledge that it's going to take
Speaker 1: to be able to play the position, but you know,
Speaker 1: trying to get guys to unlearn some of that bad habits.
Speaker 1: I don't think you get that until you get a
Speaker 1: guy in full pads that you start to understand what
Speaker 1: he can and can't do. Chris Beam calls it the
Speaker 1: underwear Olympics Olympics in in the OTA period, and I
Speaker 1: agree because now isn't you know it's just all about
Speaker 1: getting these guys mentally ready for what's going to be
Speaker 1: in front of them. But the excitement has to be
Speaker 1: there for once you know you're in full full gear
Speaker 1: and you get an opportunity to see how these guys
Speaker 1: operate because obviously they're going to come in and have
Speaker 1: to unlearn some bad habits from college. I think there's
Speaker 1: a couple couple examples to your point, Like I go
Speaker 1: back to twenty eighteen jahad Ward. Do you guys remember him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he comes in. He's a free agent that they signed
Speaker 1: from Oakland and Rod Marinelli type interior pass rusher or
Speaker 1: even edge guy up the field. You know, that's what
Speaker 1: they were looking for. He shined in these OTAs in
Speaker 1: mini camp. He was great, and Rod even warned us afterwards.
Speaker 1: He was like, look, let's get let's get the Oxnard,
Speaker 1: let's get the pads on. See what happens. He didn't
Speaker 1: make the team. And I'm not ripping anybody, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that to your point, Like, it's hard to tell,
Speaker 1: especially like I'm looking forward to seeing what John Ridgeway
Speaker 1: can bring, like the interior fifth round draft pick defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: They talked him up after the draft, trying to get
Speaker 1: bigger inside stop the run. It's gonna be hard to
Speaker 1: tell until training camps, especially for the big lineman. Like
Speaker 1: I think you can see how guys move around, especially
Speaker 1: if the skill positions or something like this. DB's for
Speaker 1: sure and the Sean writes another example, like he really
Speaker 1: stood out last year and we were like damn yeah
Speaker 1: with the behind the hands and we're like, damn, okay,
Speaker 1: late third round picker, but I was gonna be a
Speaker 1: seventh round pick. This guy could he start? Like we
Speaker 1: kind of wed, we jumped the gun a little bit
Speaker 1: on that, but it turned out like yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: he I looked it up. He had ninety one snaps
Speaker 1: out of eleven fifty something like that defensive defensive snaps
Speaker 1: last year. That being said, he still could turn into
Speaker 1: a nice player and and uh, but again it's you
Speaker 1: can get a little excited um for this first camp
Speaker 1: just because it's football's back. Man, it is back. And
Speaker 1: I remember even seeing like Nason right running backwards, back
Speaker 1: pedaling and then like knocking down a pass on a
Speaker 1: receiver in the back half zone and it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, like maybe maybe they knew something. And then
Speaker 1: of course they didn't necessarily turn into anything. And you're one.
Speaker 1: But from a from a coaching standpoint, you look at
Speaker 1: this camp and you you look at the way that
Speaker 1: you install these practices. Rob when you're installing this early on,
Speaker 1: Isaiah pointed to it earlier. Are you you throwing everything
Speaker 1: at these rookies. Are you kind of taking it one
Speaker 1: step at a time, one bite at a time, so
Speaker 1: that way they're they're comfortable, but you don't want them
Speaker 1: to be too comfortable. Yeah, I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: think the rookie camp's more of a baseline and some
Speaker 1: of it's some of it's not just on the field teaching,
Speaker 1: like Heck mentioned that, it's also hey, this is how
Speaker 1: we do this is how our schedule works day to day.
Speaker 1: This is the weight room, this is how we're going
Speaker 1: to operate in meetings. Just kind of getting guys their
Speaker 1: feet underneath them. And then once you get to OTAs
Speaker 1: and the Veteran Camp, it's where a lot of the
Speaker 1: installation is to where when you get to get to Oxyard,
Speaker 1: a lot of it's just review. They're not putting in
Speaker 1: a lot of new stuff, but you're trying to get
Speaker 1: these guys just kind of just it's an orientation more
Speaker 1: than anything. And they did a little competitive stuff last year.
Speaker 1: OTAs is as a Ricky though OTA's is almost a breather.
Speaker 1: It's almost a breath of fresh air because Ricky minicamp.
Speaker 1: There's nobody else to sub in and out like it's thin. Right,
Speaker 1: So not only do you have the stress of new
Speaker 1: environment and the classroom and film and install and now
Speaker 1: you're going out there and now you're trying to compete
Speaker 1: as hard as you can because you're trying to put
Speaker 1: your best foot forward. Dog it's hot, all right, we're
Speaker 1: talking about upper nineties. Human, you know, human is all
Speaker 1: get out feeling like a sign outside and then you're
Speaker 1: there's nobody When you look over to the sign, there's
Speaker 1: nobody there. So your text and guess what, Now the
Speaker 1: coaches are really gonna see who they have, because when
Speaker 1: there's nobody the sub and and out for you, when
Speaker 1: you're gassed and you still gotta put your best foot forward,
Speaker 1: you find out real quicken on hurry who you have,
Speaker 1: you know, And we saw it last year, even when
Speaker 1: Mike and Michael was dying, that boy was almost army
Speaker 1: crawling about here, right, he was almost army crawling, and
Speaker 1: he just happened to be one of the best players
Speaker 1: in dogging on league, you know, months later. So it
Speaker 1: is challenging. It doesn't matter who you are, a first
Speaker 1: round pick or if you're a free agent. This is
Speaker 1: an unusual heatwave we've got in North Texas right now. Friday.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're gonna do Sunday. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the Sunday schedule looks like. But they're going
Speaker 1: to practice Friday and Saturday. HI have ninety three Friday,
Speaker 1: HI have ninety one on Saturday. I got a break
Speaker 1: and heavy in the path. They've gotten rid of the
Speaker 1: team periods though. I think they just do like because
Speaker 1: they're not enough people something. Yeah. Yeah, Now, speaking of
Speaker 1: that of not having enough people, you look at the
Speaker 1: draft class and you look at the undrafted free agents,
Speaker 1: and there's a common theme between the two of them.
Speaker 1: There's no quarterbacks on either one of those lists. And
Speaker 1: it was reported earlier this morning that they'll have a
Speaker 1: couple of cowboy or couple quarterbacks come in to rookie
Speaker 1: Minicamp to on a tryout basis, one of which Nick Starkle,
Speaker 1: who is from Argyle. He was here at Dallas Day,
Speaker 1: went to Argyle Liberty Christian played his high school football there.
Speaker 1: It's now the school where Jason Witten's a head CoA
Speaker 1: chat by the way. Then he went to Texas A
Speaker 1: and m never really found any playing time there. Went
Speaker 1: to San Jose State and then really set the world
Speaker 1: on fire at San Jose State. The other quarterback is
Speaker 1: Terry Wilson. He started his career at New Mexico, then
Speaker 1: transferred or excuse me, at Kentucky, then transferred to New Mexico,
Speaker 1: and he was kind of pitter pattering down the stretch
Speaker 1: with the lobos there, but the couple quarterbacks coming in
Speaker 1: to throw around. But that brings me to my question
Speaker 1: because I know, for me personally, I want to look
Speaker 1: at some of these wide receivers that the Cowboys added
Speaker 1: on the backcat of the depth chart. And we have
Speaker 1: talked about this as well on the show of how
Speaker 1: thin the wide receiver room is without Cedric Wilson, of
Speaker 1: course without Amari Cooper at the top. You added Jalen
Speaker 1: Tolbert in the middle of your draft class, and you
Speaker 1: added James Washington in the free agent class, but really
Speaker 1: you still feel thin from a wide receiver standpoint. They
Speaker 1: bring in four different wide receivers from an undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent standpoint. Ontario Drummond, wide receiver from Old miss who
Speaker 1: they met with at the combine, Jakari Robinson who was very,
Speaker 1: very productive for Wake Forest in twenty twenty. Same can
Speaker 1: be said for ty Frey Folger fry Fogel, who was
Speaker 1: the Big ten wide receiver of the Year for Indiana
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and then Dennis Houston from Western Illinois.
Speaker 1: Four wide receivers that I want to see more of,
Speaker 1: along with Jalen Tolbert added into the mix there as
Speaker 1: well from rookie Minicamp. But heckma is wide receiver a
Speaker 1: position where you're gonna have your eyes glued on and
Speaker 1: if there's another one, what would it be? You know,
Speaker 1: they talked at LINT about not being done in free agency,
Speaker 1: and so that's obviously a place where you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to look because you are so thin. But players like
Speaker 1: Jayleen Tilbert and him everything that he comes in with,
Speaker 1: the moxie machigues moo and his I like that. What
Speaker 1: was that? Moxie moxie macheesmo. Yeah, what is that from?
Speaker 1: That's from? That's just as I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: It just kind of threw me off for a second.
Speaker 1: I had to circle back to it. Cheesemo Cheesemo. I
Speaker 1: like it. You can watch w W none of that
Speaker 1: Razor Cheesemo Cheesemozcheesmo. I like it so. But but my
Speaker 1: point is, like Tolbert is, even though he's, you know,
Speaker 1: cocky guy, he's coming from the FBS, you know levels,
Speaker 1: he still is confident in his ability. And I just
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, there's gonna so much riding for
Speaker 1: him and guys like can't the kid from Indiana who
Speaker 1: went on dry Fogel. You know, this opportunity for those
Speaker 1: undrafted guys to try and break into that wide receiver room.
Speaker 1: So excited about that, but really even thinking a forward
Speaker 1: thinking for the wide receiver group that they got to
Speaker 1: add some more names. But when you talk about the
Speaker 1: other groups that we have, linebacker, they have to they
Speaker 1: have they have to be thinking of adding a veteran
Speaker 1: linebacker because right now, that's probably the thinnest room you have.
Speaker 1: And I just don't see them being asleep at the
Speaker 1: wheel at that position the way that we've seen it
Speaker 1: with the offensive line. We've seen it in other areas.
Speaker 1: But you've got to you've got to try and figure
Speaker 1: out a way to shore up the linebacker room. You agree, Isam,
Speaker 1: I'm definitely at the linebacker position. Receiver, I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna pull off a bet, there's a there's a there's
Speaker 1: enough savvy vets that are out there in a free
Speaker 1: agent market right now, whether healthy or getting healthy. I
Speaker 1: think that they're going to be plenty of opportunities to
Speaker 1: grab one of those guys, and somebody want to come
Speaker 1: add to that room. I think they still need a
Speaker 1: veteran presence in that room. There's I personally don't believe
Speaker 1: that you can go into this season with CD as
Speaker 1: your leader. There's no disrespect to him. I just think
Speaker 1: that they need they need somebody else that's a little
Speaker 1: bit more seasoned. Where do you put CD man? I
Speaker 1: mean as far as the list of like, it's all
Speaker 1: comparisonbody nowlysis, is he one of those guys that you
Speaker 1: even put in the first tier group of wide receivers
Speaker 1: in this league? Not me? What does he have to
Speaker 1: do to break that sailing? As you know, more consistent? Yeah,
Speaker 1: be more consistent, I think. I mean, obviously, he's an
Speaker 1: exceptional talent, fast, can catch, make big plays. You know,
Speaker 1: once he's on a hot street, he's on a hot street,
Speaker 1: like you can't really stop him. But it's just an inconsistency.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of drop balls. He's not
Speaker 1: the only one at fault for that deck was pretty
Speaker 1: inconsistent in terms of his passing as well. So, you know,
Speaker 1: a combination of those two getting together and figuring things
Speaker 1: out this offseason, I think he can make huge strides.
Speaker 1: I just still think that there always is a every
Speaker 1: in every room. There needs to be a veteran that,
Speaker 1: even if that veterans not starting, there needs to be
Speaker 1: a guy that everybody can when things are down and
Speaker 1: things everybody's fresh at that you can still look to
Speaker 1: it that dude. It could be like, hey, chill out,
Speaker 1: young Wood, Like you know what I'm saying, Like this
Speaker 1: is always just how it needs to go. I think
Speaker 1: I know the answer to this question before I ask it,
Speaker 1: but I still want to put it out there. You
Speaker 1: don't consider Michael Gallup and James Robinson to be veterans
Speaker 1: in that room? Jahington Washington, Yeah, I don't know enough
Speaker 1: about James Washington as a as a player, you know,
Speaker 1: in the locker room, and to speak on that. I
Speaker 1: do think that Michael Gallup has has the capability of
Speaker 1: being that guy in the room. Unfortunately, when you're coming
Speaker 1: off of injury, people look at you sideways. That's just
Speaker 1: the reality. So it's hard unless you're unless you're a
Speaker 1: guy who's just been around the league for a minute,
Speaker 1: you're not going to be that dude sitting there with
Speaker 1: a knee brace on, or a guy that's really having
Speaker 1: with britt Brown, you know, for most of the day
Speaker 1: and didn't be able to step in that meeting room
Speaker 1: and be that dude he's just with it coming the
Speaker 1: way that it did on a touchdown grab and a big, high,
Speaker 1: high visible game. I mean in the ACL tear being
Speaker 1: visible from the beginning. And I'm not saying that it's
Speaker 1: not a possibility. I'm just saying what the tendency is
Speaker 1: that people if it doesn't matter unless you're just a
Speaker 1: high arching player, if you're injured, you're you're the guy
Speaker 1: over there, and it sucks. I've been that guy over
Speaker 1: there a lot, you know. But that's really what it is.
Speaker 1: And I've seen that with veterans. I've seen that with
Speaker 1: you know, rookies. It's just you have to work your
Speaker 1: way back into it. Now. Once he's healthy, of course,
Speaker 1: he can step right back into that mold. But when
Speaker 1: is he going to be healthy? It's the question. So
Speaker 1: as long as as long as CD, as long as
Speaker 1: as long as I'm Gallup is injured, I think CD
Speaker 1: is the guy that everybody's going to be looking to,
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure that he's ready for that responsibility.
Speaker 1: I think that he's fully capable of taking care of
Speaker 1: himself right now, but I think he's still figuring out himself.
Speaker 1: It is hard to be a leader and figure yourself
Speaker 1: out simultaneously. Does that make sense, Yeah, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: think that's where he's at right now. I could be
Speaker 1: completely wrong, but just visually what I see, I think
Speaker 1: he's still trying to figure out who Cede Lamb is
Speaker 1: in this NFL. I think the expectation is for him
Speaker 1: to take that next step, and not only on the
Speaker 1: field production, but exactly the way that you're talking about it.
Speaker 1: He has to step up as a leader. He has
Speaker 1: to step up as somebody that that room can turn to,
Speaker 1: and having another veteran in the in the mix would
Speaker 1: would help with that. I definitely think that. But it
Speaker 1: also reminds me of the running back position over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years too, with all these undrafted running backs.
Speaker 1: You look at it like a Rico dowdle a Shay
Speaker 1: wa Alana Lua, who was released this past weekend. Guys
Speaker 1: like that who have made impacts from an undrafted standpoint,
Speaker 1: just because there hasn't been a whole lot of running
Speaker 1: back depth outside of the Zekes and the Tony Pollards
Speaker 1: that I feel like that kind of looks That's what
Speaker 1: the wide receiver room looks like right now, with four
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents and then a couple guys that you've
Speaker 1: added throughout as well. I think there's space for that.
Speaker 1: Like I mean, han, I'm just saying that there's an
Speaker 1: opportunity there. I mean, if they go out of a
Speaker 1: veteran wide receiver, then no, I don't think so. I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure they're going to do that. I mean
Speaker 1: I know that that was a whisper that they tried
Speaker 1: to do that before the draft. And you're right, like
Speaker 1: Gallup could miss multiple games in September, it's very it's possible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And to your point, like the elder statesman on in
Speaker 1: this group is Noah Brown. This is his six year Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's twenty six years old. Michael Gallops twenty six, CD's
Speaker 1: twenty three. It's a it's a young group, but that's
Speaker 1: that's what they factored in when they made this decision
Speaker 1: with the Maris that we're gonna be young and guys
Speaker 1: are gonna have to to elevate, and some guys on
Speaker 1: the back end that I think have a chance to compete.
Speaker 1: We've talked about SIMI uh, you mentioned the undrafted guys,
Speaker 1: but there are the veteran guys that are gonna come in.
Speaker 1: They were eligible to participate in this rookie camp. TJ.
Speaker 1: Vasher's in that group out last year with the knee injury.
Speaker 1: Brandon Smith was a guy. He was on the practice
Speaker 1: squad last year and they big wide receiver. I think
Speaker 1: they sounded like they kind of looked at him like
Speaker 1: maybe future Noah Brown type guy who can develop and
Speaker 1: also help us on special teams. So just some other
Speaker 1: guys to watch. But you're right, they are young, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, Jalen Tilbert. It's a third round draft pick,
Speaker 1: but you're sure looking at him right now like he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to step in and start because we're talking
Speaker 1: about I mean, they play eleven personnel two thirds of
Speaker 1: the time. He's a starter, you know, gotta be. And
Speaker 1: they look at him as his second round guy too.
Speaker 1: They don't look at guy. They look at him as
Speaker 1: a second round pick that they just basically went a
Speaker 1: different direction and then got lucky that he was there
Speaker 1: in the third either way. So yeah, I think starting,
Speaker 1: starting is the expectation for Jalen Tober. We'll continue answering
Speaker 1: some of these questions on the other side of the break.
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Speaker 1: Those are wonderful camps, by the way, my children were
Speaker 1: last year. Danny mccraie runs it upstairs. Awesome camp. Nice
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Speaker 1: better but I mean, they do a really good job
Speaker 1: of it every single year. And of course I don't
Speaker 1: have any children to send to it, but I've heard
Speaker 1: just through the grape vine then it gets better every year.
Speaker 1: So I say a standback and to make up an
Speaker 1: appearance out at youth camp this year. I have not
Speaker 1: been reached out too, but I might have to do so,
Speaker 1: maybe able to get the get they get the ball
Speaker 1: moving on that one. All right, So it's been a
Speaker 1: while since we've talked to Cowboys Nation. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: some Cowboys questions from our friends out there. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the first one off of Twitter. How do all
Speaker 1: of our interior offensive linemen compare in size? And which
Speaker 1: ones could help the Cowboys to return to the run
Speaker 1: first offense. So some of the new guys that they're
Speaker 1: gonna put inside, along with Tyler Biottish, along with Connor McGovern,
Speaker 1: how do they all compare and who is going to
Speaker 1: help the Cowboys establish that run game again and try
Speaker 1: and balance this offense out a little bit more. I mean,
Speaker 1: size wise, Tyler Smith is huge. Hey, he's a big kid,
Speaker 1: six five three twelve running to the left. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's yeah, we're sized up there, man. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the biggest reason why they drafted him, I think, plus
Speaker 1: the tackle flexibility, which I don't think we're going to
Speaker 1: see that anytime real soon unless something happens on the
Speaker 1: left side with Tyran Smith. But that's the biggest reason
Speaker 1: why he's here. You know, Tyler Biodish is not the
Speaker 1: biggest center, so I think you're trying to I think
Speaker 1: that was We've talked about it. That was an issue
Speaker 1: in certain matchups when you have Connor Williams at left guard,
Speaker 1: Tyler Biottish at center, and you're facing certain matchups that's
Speaker 1: been a problem for them. So but if you look
Speaker 1: at and PFF's not the be all end all, but
Speaker 1: if you look at Tyrn Smith and Zach Martin's grads
Speaker 1: when they were on the field last year, it's pretty good,
Speaker 1: you know, and they're hoping and they're hoping Terence Steal
Speaker 1: can take a step forward in that regard to So
Speaker 1: looking at Tyler Smith six foot five, three twenty five, yeah,
Speaker 1: three twenty five is his And then you look at
Speaker 1: like Connor Williams, I mean he was what six five
Speaker 1: three twenty or no, six five three fifteen, So He's
Speaker 1: about ten pounds lighter than Tyler Smith and about the
Speaker 1: same size. But you can look at the two I mean,
Speaker 1: it was a it's a different build for those those guys.
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith is is much more ready for the NFL,
Speaker 1: I think than Connor Williams was at the point when
Speaker 1: he entered the league, and you'll probably see that early on.
Speaker 1: Do you expect him to start from the beginning at
Speaker 1: left guard because Mike McCarthy didn't want to commit to that,
Speaker 1: neither that Joe Philbin when we talked to him as well,
Speaker 1: doesn't want to commit to it, but he committed to
Speaker 1: the left side. Yeah, that's all we heard. Is he
Speaker 1: the front runner or the expected starter at left guard?
Speaker 1: Or we jump of the gun played X receiver, He's
Speaker 1: gonna play a little tight end. I'm sorry, maybe Simmons,
Speaker 1: maybe simonside linebacker, help out that deft play the left side. Well,
Speaker 1: we know he's not playing a left tackle. You know
Speaker 1: he's not playing a center. Yep. Well there's still yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they are looking at him as the backup
Speaker 1: left tackle though. That's the Yeah, he's a backup left tackle.
Speaker 1: But there's an all Pro guys still sitting there. But
Speaker 1: either way, the significance about him saying that was that
Speaker 1: he didn't want to commit to him saying, hey, our
Speaker 1: first round pick is going to be a starter at
Speaker 1: left goal. Well, they want him to come, come in,
Speaker 1: compete and win the job. Over over, Connor McGovern, I
Speaker 1: don't think they make I don't think they make that
Speaker 1: pick unless they think he can. Why are you looking
Speaker 1: at me like that. Name the last first round pick
Speaker 1: that did not start? Please? I mean there's you have
Speaker 1: to win the job. I mean I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he won't, but I'm saying that that that's he
Speaker 1: hasn't played guards since your year of heights, hear you.
Speaker 1: So he's got to come in and win it. If
Speaker 1: I could finish, I'm saying if he he he would
Speaker 1: not have been the pick if they didn't think he
Speaker 1: could step in. And so that's that's the expectation. But
Speaker 1: left left tackle, no, I think what they're trying to
Speaker 1: do is keep him on one side. If you remember
Speaker 1: Terrence Steele trying to switch from right tackle the left
Speaker 1: tackle in the middle of the season that didn't go
Speaker 1: so well. Yeah, and you talk to guys about doing
Speaker 1: that sometimes and it's like almost like changeing writing with
Speaker 1: a different hand. So they just want to keep him
Speaker 1: on one side, keep Josh Ball I think, at right
Speaker 1: tackle and just see how it goes. But if he's
Speaker 1: not the starting left guard, then that that's it's not
Speaker 1: a bus but it's just that's you know, that's the
Speaker 1: hope because you because you want your first round pick
Speaker 1: step in and do something right away. Yeah, he will
Speaker 1: be playing left guard. Everything that Rob Pete just said
Speaker 1: is absolutely correct. Unfortunately, there's not a level playing field
Speaker 1: when it comes to the NFL and who gets the
Speaker 1: money and when you're drafted, the commitments and all that jazz.
Speaker 1: He will be playing left guard. It's not a he's
Speaker 1: gonna compete. He's gonna compete for it. But McGovern knows
Speaker 1: if he sneezes wrong, he's there. He's yeah, Smith's in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's take our first call. Maurice in Tacoma
Speaker 1: up there and okay and action in the house. I
Speaker 1: don't know if he went to Washington, Maurice, but welcome
Speaker 1: to talking cowboy. I hope he's a you dope guy.
Speaker 1: Guy you want to send its good with you man
Speaker 1: already stinking down Tacktown. I hear you, yes, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 1: So my question is kind of more of a concern
Speaker 1: he just couldn't get it down last season, and I
Speaker 1: seemly in a different direction. I wonder what you guys
Speaker 1: think as far as your concerns with the kicking game
Speaker 1: this year, we d better well. Thank you, very good question, Maurice.
Speaker 1: And I think that it's a decent concern about really
Speaker 1: anybody around Cowboys Nation right now because you have two
Speaker 1: guys that were both undrafted free agents, both local wish
Speaker 1: sort of kids. You've got Jonathan Garabay, rookie from Texas
Speaker 1: deck who was who was good from a pat staydpoint
Speaker 1: in college. Of course it's different in the NFL, but
Speaker 1: he was also hit or miss from forty five plus
Speaker 1: for the Red Raiders. And then you've got Chris is
Speaker 1: it Nagar from SMU who. I mean, there's really not
Speaker 1: a whole lot of a lot of scouting report on
Speaker 1: that side. Do you expect maybe a veteran kicker to
Speaker 1: be in the conversation. The fact that it hasn't already
Speaker 1: been is a bit shocking. Now, I think they're gonna
Speaker 1: start with open competitions in the parking lot. They're gonna
Speaker 1: find a kicker. It's gonna it's gonna happen. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna go into the season unsure of where they are.
Speaker 1: And I think Greg the leg for the last couple
Speaker 1: of years benefited from his relationship with Fossil, but he
Speaker 1: became a liability. It's at certain points I think you
Speaker 1: all were like, man, if we get close up, do
Speaker 1: we even trust him? And so for the guy like
Speaker 1: Garabay that comes in, I saw of YouTube with him
Speaker 1: kicking like a seventy yard sixty eight yard field goal,
Speaker 1: But then what gives me the willies is not really
Speaker 1: good with forty forty five in, we kind of need
Speaker 1: you to be good from there. Yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: where you need to be on What were your thoughts
Speaker 1: on these teams that were drafting kickers in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: Kade York is a good kicker. There's like two or
Speaker 1: three of them that win. You shouldn't have been a
Speaker 1: fourth round kicker. There was a kicker and then a
Speaker 1: couple of punters that they it was they drafted, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was I don't know. There may have been
Speaker 1: another kicker in there, but I know Kaed York was
Speaker 1: the first one off the board, and that was expected.
Speaker 1: Did it ever cross your money in the fourth No,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about for Dallas in the fifth. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: one of those four fifth round picks. Absolutely, it crossed
Speaker 1: my mind. I would have clamored for it. Think everybody
Speaker 1: was thinking that Cameron Dicker was going to be a kicker.
Speaker 1: Apparently he Apparently he is not held in high regard
Speaker 1: at a NFL. Apparently he wasn't very good toward the
Speaker 1: end of his career as a kicker. He's a good punter.
Speaker 1: His first team all big to a punter. He did
Speaker 1: both for Texas last year. But early in his career
Speaker 1: it was kind of like like a big name for
Speaker 1: him that the media kind of hopped on, and I
Speaker 1: guess late it fizz fizzled out a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then they moved in the punter. Oh oh, what's going on?
Speaker 1: And I said, proceed proceeding, move on. Dane Brugler had
Speaker 1: him Garabay, Jonathan Garabay, who the Cowboys signed fourth among kickers,
Speaker 1: and his beast guide so nice, and he was the
Speaker 1: guy John Fossil liked. Supposedly that was the guy he wanted,
Speaker 1: and bones gets who Bones. It was just about So
Speaker 1: it's kind of kind of the common theme here is
Speaker 1: that Bones gets who he wants. We'll see they don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they don't have a they don't
Speaker 1: have a proven guy. So but Dan Bailey wasn't proven
Speaker 1: when he came in either, so hopefully it'll work out
Speaker 1: for him. A good point. It's a good point, all right,
Speaker 1: Josh and Maryland this on the line. Josh, how's it
Speaker 1: going on the East coast down there? Hey, can't complaint
Speaker 1: Fellers to funding getting warm out here? How y'all feeling good? Man? Fantastic? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. So I got real quick questions basically based
Speaker 1: around the linebackers that we got here because I was
Speaker 1: pretty much satisfied with the draft. I think all the
Speaker 1: Cowboys trans was because we got our knees. No real
Speaker 1: star players or nothing like that. But you really ain't
Speaker 1: like to pick a furtherest, and you wanted to get
Speaker 1: to do from Alabama. But don't you think because it
Speaker 1: looked like they both gonna be red shirt in this year,
Speaker 1: him and Clark, don't you think Clark is just as
Speaker 1: good as he was coming out to date in two
Speaker 1: with this man? Layton vander As Specton. Yeah, under Damn Quinn,
Speaker 1: do you think he takes another step forward? Or do
Speaker 1: y'all think we see all that we saw from him,
Speaker 1: because I thought he had a good season last ship,
Speaker 1: but they don't look like teams around the league did.
Speaker 1: So that's just my question. Appreciate the finders think of
Speaker 1: my call. Appreciate you, Josh, start with you, Isaiah. He's
Speaker 1: talking about Nakobe Dean from Georgia versus Damon Clark from LSU,
Speaker 1: who the Cowboys did so lat Yeah, I think they're
Speaker 1: both very productive players. I do like the speed and
Speaker 1: the I don't want to say the reckless abandonment of
Speaker 1: the Kobe Dean, but I like the fact that he's
Speaker 1: a wrecker. He just wrecks stuff, and you have that
Speaker 1: in Michael Parsons. He just wrecks stuff right from numerous positions.
Speaker 1: So I like the idea of when Michael Parsons decided,
Speaker 1: when they decided to walk him down to the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, having somebody with the same characteristics to be
Speaker 1: able to wreck some things at the second level being
Speaker 1: that we like to just run with two linebackers at
Speaker 1: a time. So I like that idea that has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the fact that Damon Clark can go
Speaker 1: out there and make plays. Nothing nothing against him. I
Speaker 1: hope that he goes out there and wrecked some things
Speaker 1: as well. But I'm just going off with what I
Speaker 1: know about Nakobe Dean. That was the one element that
Speaker 1: you just knew was going to be present. When he's
Speaker 1: on the field, he's gonna he's gonna disrupt some things.
Speaker 1: And I like that idea, but I'm looking forward to
Speaker 1: seeing Clark. And that's why that's why Bobby Wagner was
Speaker 1: so attractive to you, just because you knew what his
Speaker 1: wheelhouse was and what he could do as a linebacker,
Speaker 1: and also being able to use Michael Parsons the way
Speaker 1: that you know Dan Quinn is going to try and
Speaker 1: move use him. He's gonna move around a lot. So
Speaker 1: that's why Leyden vander Ess right now is very important
Speaker 1: to the equation. And without them going into the draft
Speaker 1: and sort of addressing it on even now in free agency,
Speaker 1: not having addressed it, your eyes are kind of open
Speaker 1: to to say what's going to happen with the linebacker room.
Speaker 1: But I think you know there's a story Jackson from
Speaker 1: Liberty the linebacker. He is a kid that you know,
Speaker 1: there are going to be some kids on this, some
Speaker 1: men on this in the linebacker room, that have a
Speaker 1: decent opportunity to make this roster, especially through special teams.
Speaker 1: As you always note, but we have to do something
Speaker 1: about what we have because we don't have what you
Speaker 1: would think is a proven commodity at the linebacker position
Speaker 1: right now. Aaron Hansford also Texas A and M highly
Speaker 1: regard good player. I mean that that's that's the name
Speaker 1: to watch. I mean when you're talking about an undrafted
Speaker 1: guy who could step in and maybe earn a job.
Speaker 1: Devin Harper, the sixth round pick, is somebody that could
Speaker 1: get a spot as a special teams guy. I don't
Speaker 1: know about within the defensive rotation, but but he man,
Speaker 1: he was there for six years and he was mainly
Speaker 1: a special teams guy, reserve linebacker till his last year
Speaker 1: of college, and he blew up last year. So do
Speaker 1: you think that they added anybody to push vander Ish?
Speaker 1: I feel like they added people on the outside on
Speaker 1: a parameter, But did do you feel like they added
Speaker 1: anybody to challenge vander Ish? I think they're expecting that
Speaker 1: to come from Jabril Cox. He's not a mic, I know,
Speaker 1: but that's that's that's what I'm talking about, the mic position,
Speaker 1: specifically the mic I don't know, probably not, yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's I'm like, I think they're expecting him to come
Speaker 1: in and play significant snaps because a lot of the
Speaker 1: times they're gonna go with two linebackers. They're gonna show
Speaker 1: what that Nickel said. They're not gonna have all three
Speaker 1: shire backers out there. I think Cox is more of
Speaker 1: the spot, absolutely, But I'm saying, like, you need a
Speaker 1: Mic James defense in that regard to and this defense,
Speaker 1: you need a mic. Yeah, you need a sound mike,
Speaker 1: which is why I was, you know, I'm with the
Speaker 1: hards on a boby tray. You need somebody who's gonna
Speaker 1: stand up there and take onlineman. Yeah, you have to
Speaker 1: have that guy. And I don't believe that they addressed
Speaker 1: that particular area in terms of having somebody to push Vanderish.
Speaker 1: I feel like they put the hat on him, was like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is your spot again, go run with it. They didn't.
Speaker 1: They didn't add any depth to anybody even remotely challenge him.
Speaker 1: That may tell you how they intend on operating as
Speaker 1: a defense without them addressing it. I mean, they're kind
Speaker 1: of giving you the brick RUMs to how they're going
Speaker 1: to operate as a defense if they are going into
Speaker 1: the season saying Laden Vandersh is our guy. The only
Speaker 1: thing that I have about Laden is can he stay
Speaker 1: healthy through an entire season? That's still going to be
Speaker 1: the question, and that's why I want to address it.
Speaker 1: And I think any that's why I say, are you
Speaker 1: asleep at the wheel? Because you know what problems he's had.
Speaker 1: It starts as far as staying available. And I don't
Speaker 1: doubt that that Devin Harper can step in. But you
Speaker 1: just stated, I mean his ability to get on the
Speaker 1: field is going to be through what he does. And
Speaker 1: special teams ask for all of these guys in the
Speaker 1: linebacker room. I don't think they're looking at any of
Speaker 1: these guys to be instant defense. And even with Jabriel
Speaker 1: coming back from the ACL injury, there's going to be
Speaker 1: some residual from that and we should expect it and
Speaker 1: I look forward. I love you know, I love Dan
Speaker 1: Quinn and I love his defenses. His However, my only concern,
Speaker 1: and that's my dog. My only concern is that this
Speaker 1: high flying, fast defense that he's been known to have
Speaker 1: and that worked on the West Coast and worked in
Speaker 1: atl and obviously worked last year. The NFC East is
Speaker 1: starting to go back to the roots of the NFC
Speaker 1: East in terms of bullyball, in terms of talk about big, physical,
Speaker 1: just move you off the ball type seven come on now,
Speaker 1: So like that's what it's turning back into. So my
Speaker 1: only inkling of a concern comes at the fact that
Speaker 1: are fast, you know, are fast hybrid linebackers that can
Speaker 1: run around and disrupt things and run around and hit
Speaker 1: people if lineman get up to them, if lineman get
Speaker 1: up to them, the way that the NFC East lineman
Speaker 1: is starting to turn out, people are drafting big boy linebacker,
Speaker 1: big boy lineman. Dallas drafted a big boy lineman, right.
Speaker 1: Everybody's going back to run first, throw second. Can they
Speaker 1: handle that with their current size. That's my only concern
Speaker 1: and the reason why I wanted somebody to come in
Speaker 1: and challenge vander Esh because if you needed to put
Speaker 1: two vander Eshes out there, you have that size to
Speaker 1: put two six four two hundred and forty pound two
Speaker 1: hundred fifty pound linebackers and say Okay, you want to
Speaker 1: run the ball, and let's go two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: pounds in two hundred and forty five pounds. Is a
Speaker 1: major difference is at the linebacker position. Major. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a chess game because you're you're trying to it's moved.
Speaker 1: The defenses has moved to more of this hybrid look
Speaker 1: because you got it, because the way the passing game
Speaker 1: is now and you've got That's why janeron Curses is
Speaker 1: kind of a chess piece. You move around. You love
Speaker 1: Mica because he can cover and he's got the closing
Speaker 1: speed and all that, but can't the run game is
Speaker 1: part of it too. Can you stand up against the run?
Speaker 1: Can your interior lineman stand up against the run? I
Speaker 1: don't know if John Riwick. We got a mailback question
Speaker 1: about can John Ridgeway and and Quentin Bohannah be part
Speaker 1: of a double just a big fifty page part of
Speaker 1: your package. It's like, I don't know about that dash
Speaker 1: cans full of dirt. I do love it. I don't
Speaker 1: know if both guys make the team, but they're trying
Speaker 1: to do They're they're trying to address that. It was
Speaker 1: some with some beef inside but we'll see if it
Speaker 1: works out. Let's take our second break. We got a couple,
Speaker 1: We've got a couple more calls. Is that crazy to say,
Speaker 1: I don't mean, I don't it's not. I mean we
Speaker 1: just messing with you. I mean I think I don't know.
Speaker 1: Quinn Bohanna was a sixth round pick and he played
Speaker 1: some last year. Yeah, but not a ton. Let's take
Speaker 1: our second break. Pastor Q will get to you, Ryot
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Speaker 1: our friend down and Alexandria Virginia Pastor Q on the phone. Now,
Speaker 1: what's up? You're on Talking Cowboys? Guys? How you guys
Speaker 1: doing man casting? Great man? Listen. I called in yesterday
Speaker 1: to hanging into with the boys and and he got
Speaker 1: a question it and I want to do someone to
Speaker 1: follow up with you all as well, um, but mainly
Speaker 1: about the receiving Corps. I know that we don't have
Speaker 1: Coop and I felt that last year, going twelve and
Speaker 1: five of those games we didn't have him. We could
Speaker 1: have used him, but we were still in those games.
Speaker 1: So the question that I have for you is with
Speaker 1: the undrafted free agent that we have coming in name
Speaker 1: A Drumming and I think Fry Frogle and um and
Speaker 1: t J. Bascher, who I think is going to be
Speaker 1: a stud. We have some pieces there, but why not
Speaker 1: look at Tony Pollard as our Deebo Samuel. I mean,
Speaker 1: here is a guy that can run it out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. He played receiver in college. Maybe we just
Speaker 1: need to scheme up some more and um trying to
Speaker 1: get him some more uses because he's going to be
Speaker 1: a UM I'm gonna shoot the free agent after this year,
Speaker 1: and I kind of don't want to say him walk.
Speaker 1: I think it's valuable. I just want to get your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that and how you see about the receiving
Speaker 1: court and how we can use Pollard um, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of as a Swiss army knife, kind of like
Speaker 1: they use parsons on the defense. Heck, then thank you
Speaker 1: for that question. Yeah, you like that idea, right, of
Speaker 1: course I do. I've been I've been clamoring for it
Speaker 1: I wanted, but this question was, you know obviously about
Speaker 1: drumming and Bascher and guys that are on the backside
Speaker 1: of our um of the roster actually making it. I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be the stretch for these guys.
Speaker 1: I do believe that they're going to bring in a veteran,
Speaker 1: a proven veteran. I think somebody. There are a lot
Speaker 1: of teams that are not yet done cutting guys. We
Speaker 1: still got to go in the camp and so someone
Speaker 1: will emerge from that group. But I think I go
Speaker 1: back to what I was saying before about dan Quinn.
Speaker 1: In the linebacker room, you could tell that they hadn't
Speaker 1: done anything of note in the wide receiver room. So
Speaker 1: they obviously have plans for other guys. And when you
Speaker 1: know you talk about the pressure that's on individual groups
Speaker 1: to perform, the wide receiver group is one that you're
Speaker 1: going to have the spotlight firmly on it. I mean
Speaker 1: for CD Lamb as you place it, he has to
Speaker 1: know that there are whispers out there that he's not
Speaker 1: considered to be the upper echelon. And I think for
Speaker 1: Dak it's going to be for him to prove that
Speaker 1: CD is one of those upper echelon receivers. But I
Speaker 1: think of that group that we're looking at, you will
Speaker 1: probably have a guy emerge that you probably were not
Speaker 1: thinking about. And you pointed to the guy earlier, Smith
Speaker 1: that was on the roster before. I mean, they're just
Speaker 1: names and there's a lot of opportunity in the wide
Speaker 1: receiver room. So yeah, going back to Tony Pollard versus
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, my initial thought was Tony Pollard's not as
Speaker 1: big as Deebo Samuel. However it's only four pounds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the Saint side of the build, it is a
Speaker 1: different build. Bill, I was about this, I was getting there.
Speaker 1: But you look at you look at the strength from
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. I don't think it's out of the question
Speaker 1: that you could do something similar with Tony Pollard. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's Deebo Samuel two point oh, but you could
Speaker 1: use him in similar ways. Cowboys have done it before.
Speaker 1: Think about the Saints game last year, the one where
Speaker 1: he actually started with the planter fasciitis. That game, I
Speaker 1: mean they used him in the backfield, they used him
Speaker 1: on sweeps, they used him in the receiving game. That's
Speaker 1: something I think that needs to be an element of
Speaker 1: this offense and an established more because I don't even
Speaker 1: think he really got a chance to get into a
Speaker 1: rhythm in twenty twenty one as a guy who they
Speaker 1: put to the outside as a receiver running back hybrid
Speaker 1: TPS fully capable, he's fully capable of fulfilling that that
Speaker 1: Deebo samuel ish role here in Dallas. However, Deebo Samuel
Speaker 1: doesn't even want to fulfill the Deebo samuel Ish role
Speaker 1: because of the way and tear on your body, and
Speaker 1: so understand what comes with that. Yes he can TP
Speaker 1: can go out there and make all the plays for
Speaker 1: you backfield, being the reth receiver position. He could do
Speaker 1: all that fully capable talent out out the wazoo, but
Speaker 1: his body's gonna take a toll. So if you think
Speaker 1: that that Zeke, you would like to have a beat
Speaker 1: down Zeke and a beat down TP, go ahead, But
Speaker 1: you need you need somebody to be here one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: But you think, I just look at what Philly did
Speaker 1: in the acquisition of a J. Brown. You know they
Speaker 1: got a J. Browne I I am because you know,
Speaker 1: look you got a J. DeVante. How you missing is
Speaker 1: Casey and Joe, Joe, it's coming. I mean, you have
Speaker 1: a lot of talent and then not. But the way
Speaker 1: that they're gonna use a j. Brown and they have
Speaker 1: to do it with motion. He may be with the
Speaker 1: with the contract that he has, they they may use
Speaker 1: him in the backfield. Don't forget that the Philly was
Speaker 1: still leading the league in Russian last year. But I
Speaker 1: think the NFL has caught wind of what Shanahan is
Speaker 1: doing with the forty nine ers and they want to
Speaker 1: try and use their slot guys like that. Now will
Speaker 1: they be at the end of the season at the
Speaker 1: contract time saying hey, you better pay me as a
Speaker 1: running back and a receiver. That's you have to be seen.
Speaker 1: But I think in the NFL there's a new way
Speaker 1: that teams are using this wide open concept in the
Speaker 1: offense with the slot receivers. Yeah, and I think it's
Speaker 1: something that they could grow on and established more from
Speaker 1: Callen Moore, maybe it opens the playbook a little bit more.
Speaker 1: It just that threat is enough for defenses to have
Speaker 1: a bit of hesitation. And that's why I'm with FACMA.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you have to do it at one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the time. It doesn't mean, you have to
Speaker 1: put more. You got to use it on Tony Pollard,
Speaker 1: but at least have it in the bag. We talk
Speaker 1: about the bag and getting deeper. Let's deep in what's
Speaker 1: widened that bag as much as possible? All Right, Lynn
Speaker 1: from California is on the line, our final call here
Speaker 1: on this talking Cowboys Tuesday. Lynn, what's going on? Good morning? Nice?
Speaker 1: How are you more and more fantastic? Thanks for taking
Speaker 1: my call? Hey, I'm sorry, but tell me what tape
Speaker 1: you saw on this Ridgeway kid from Arkansas, This defensive
Speaker 1: tackle that made Dallas point to him and say, that's
Speaker 1: the guy that's going to help us stop the run
Speaker 1: because I can't find it. He's big, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: play big. He doesn't play with pop and then tight
Speaker 1: end they picked. I like him. He's got sticky hands
Speaker 1: As a receiver, he's a crafty, willing blocker. He's not
Speaker 1: a rogue grader, but he gets in the way and
Speaker 1: he knows his angles. So if we go into twelve personnel,
Speaker 1: this guy ends up being a good pick. What two
Speaker 1: receivers are in the huddle in twelve? So two questions
Speaker 1: tape on Ridgeway that points to him being the guy
Speaker 1: and who are the two receivers and twelve? Thanks guys,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate your call in and
Speaker 1: I get the pause on a guy like Ridgeway. But
Speaker 1: first things first, you gotta remember this was a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. It was one of four fifth round pick,
Speaker 1: so it's not like they were making this selection in
Speaker 1: the top one hundred. They were jumping out of the
Speaker 1: cake for this guy. They made a selection based on
Speaker 1: value of a guy that was valued around the third
Speaker 1: or the fourth round. And that's a league standpoint. The
Speaker 1: ATP sheets that we get the adjusted production league sheets,
Speaker 1: that is a league wide thing said third or fourth round.
Speaker 1: So the league thought he was a third or a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. But I watched the Georgia game, the
Speaker 1: Alabama game, in the Old Miss game. Because I don't
Speaker 1: really mess around with tape. I try and get as
Speaker 1: many guys out there as possible. So I go to
Speaker 1: the big schools first, and then I watch what he
Speaker 1: does there. I said, powerful smart player, use his great
Speaker 1: technique and strength to win at the point of attack.
Speaker 1: Run stuffer who anchors the middle with ease and is
Speaker 1: a tough guy to move off his spot. So He's
Speaker 1: not necessarily a pass producer. He's not a pass rusher
Speaker 1: that's going to break through the middle of your defense.
Speaker 1: He's ultimately gonna have a ton of sacks. He only
Speaker 1: had two sacks with Arkansas. With his one year he
Speaker 1: had fourth tackles for loss. What his job is to
Speaker 1: do as the nose tackle is that one technique or
Speaker 1: a zero technique is to sit in the middle and
Speaker 1: let the guys around him form a pocket and to
Speaker 1: just anchor the defensive line. That's what you want him
Speaker 1: to do, and that's what they saw in the fifth
Speaker 1: round as a guy's saying, hey, we've seen him do
Speaker 1: it before. We've seen him do it against some of
Speaker 1: the best offensive linemen in the country in terms of
Speaker 1: the SEC and in terms of Alabama Georgia. He did
Speaker 1: it on a consistent occasion and he provided run stuffing ability.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of thing that they're looking at to
Speaker 1: supplement a guy like a Quentin Bohanna. Ridgeway right now
Speaker 1: is better than Quentin Bohanna. I think that, like no
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind, he's better than Quentin Bohanna. Doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he's gonna come in and light the world on fire,
Speaker 1: and he's gonna be the number one defensive tackle in
Speaker 1: all of the NFC East. Doesn't mean that's the case,
Speaker 1: but he can't come in and provide a little bit
Speaker 1: of an impact in the run defense. There, Yeah, twelve
Speaker 1: tackles for loss over his career Arkansas, Iinois State and like, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: it's a dark throw in the fifth round. And if
Speaker 1: he makes the team, he'll be an early round, early
Speaker 1: down guy to help stuff to run on third down,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get your best pass rushers on the field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's the kind of role you're looking for.
Speaker 1: And maybe a guy Brent Urban filled that a little
Speaker 1: bit when he was healthy. You're hoping a young guy
Speaker 1: like that could come in and grow into that role.
Speaker 1: But that is an important role. May just point one
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine rushing yards that San Francisco had
Speaker 1: in the playoff game. One more thing to add on Ridgeway.
Speaker 1: He was recruited as an offensive tackle, moved to defensive
Speaker 1: tackle early in his career at Illinois State, and then
Speaker 1: after a couple of years, then he transferred to Arkansas
Speaker 1: and was good at Arkansas. Had no drop off from
Speaker 1: going from an Illinois State where you're playing in FCS
Speaker 1: ball and then you turn around and you're playing in
Speaker 1: the SEC. And he was able to see that there's
Speaker 1: a ceiling with this guy that has not been hit
Speaker 1: and in the SEC against i mean, the biggest, most
Speaker 1: powerful offensive lines in the conference. So they've seen a
Speaker 1: little bit of that from him, so it's worth it
Speaker 1: was worthless shots see if he can develop. The second
Speaker 1: question was surrounding the wide receiving corps. Right, anybody remember what? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a two receivers in twelve. There you go.
Speaker 1: You think, how are you going with? I think you
Speaker 1: go right now, right now, right now, right right now,
Speaker 1: right now. Uh so gallup out of the equation, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're a CD and James Washington personally not Toilbert, No, why,
Speaker 1: just don't know. It's just a question mark drafting. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be changed after the sure thing either
Speaker 1: go with the sure thing. Obviously one's gallup is healthy
Speaker 1: than a CD and gallup. Yeah, that's where it sat
Speaker 1: right now. I gotta I gotta see the rookie. I
Speaker 1: gotta see him. Yeah, I think it would be I
Speaker 1: think I'm I'm with you right now, but I think
Speaker 1: there's a very good competition that's going to be had
Speaker 1: between James Washington and Jaylen Tilbert. I'm sure I like
Speaker 1: Jaylen Tilburt a lot. I think he'll win that job.
Speaker 1: But right now I agree with you just haven't seen him.
Speaker 1: So James Washington has seen a lot of ball. If
Speaker 1: we played tomorrow, I go with the vet he's seen
Speaker 1: a lot people. I gotta understand that when you're looking
Speaker 1: at people, look at the character risks and capabilities and receivers.
Speaker 1: People don't. You can't see the savvyiness people. He has
Speaker 1: so much savviness to him, and he understands. He understands
Speaker 1: the route, he understands the concepts. He understands exactly where
Speaker 1: where he sits in those different particular concepts. He understands
Speaker 1: defenses in this league. Those are things that you can't
Speaker 1: expect a Rikie to come in understanding. Rickie might have
Speaker 1: exceptional talent, but if he doesn't have those other aspects,
Speaker 1: the savvy Vets always gonna win. That's one thing Will
Speaker 1: McClay kept talking about him though, in terms of his
Speaker 1: football IQ to adjust to those things. But you got
Speaker 1: you gotta come in and be able to do it
Speaker 1: and do it quickly to beat out of vet early.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on that real quick? No, I
Speaker 1: just know, I just think that I'm with you, Isaiah.
Speaker 1: The sure thing is where I'm gonna go. We don't
Speaker 1: know exactly what the other player, the rookie is going
Speaker 1: to to offer, so gotta go there first. But the
Speaker 1: thing about Ridge Way, I just want to go back
Speaker 1: to that is, you know, back to your point, Isaiah,
Speaker 1: with the linebackers, they have to be able to share
Speaker 1: and run, and you want to have that one technique,
Speaker 1: year old technique or three technique to be able to
Speaker 1: hold up those blockers. And you get a body six six,
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty pounds with Bohannah, and when they
Speaker 1: go to the jumbo package, you know obviously that's where
Speaker 1: you're going to be able to allow your fast guys
Speaker 1: to get off the ball and run the bathtub plug
Speaker 1: You remember the old plugs. Did you just put in
Speaker 1: the bathtub thick ones? Yeah, so that's what you guys.
Speaker 1: You guys, don't bring up Gallimore no more. Is he
Speaker 1: just like he's a three technique because this is a
Speaker 1: different role. Okay, I would say it's different Warner. Maybe
Speaker 1: he put on weight. Maybe, yeah, he could have. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen him in a while. By the way, we
Speaker 1: started this show making a joke about Tom Brady. The
Speaker 1: numbers are out on his contract. So what the Fox
Speaker 1: is and we don't even know when it's gonna start.
Speaker 1: You don't even know when it's gonna start. You've seen
Speaker 1: it right now. Twenty five a year, more to ten years,
Speaker 1: three hundred and seventy five years, bring good people. Thirty
Speaker 1: seven and a half million a year to be a
Speaker 1: broadcaster for ten years for Fox? What's Romo make seventeen seventeen? Whoa,
Speaker 1: he's more than double Tony Romo. He's put twenty mill
Speaker 1: on Tony's deal. Oh, that's unbelievable. That's shocking. That's been
Speaker 1: reported by the New York Post. And this is coming
Speaker 1: from the company that didn't pay Troy Aikman enough to
Speaker 1: keep him around, and then they throw out three seventy
Speaker 1: five for Tom Brady. What's Tom making this year to play?
Speaker 1: He's gonna make way more yelly? All right, that's gonna
Speaker 1: do it for talking cowboys. We're all going to reevaluate
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Speaker 1: and we get ready for OTA's coming up in a
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