Speaker 1: You know when you come from Detroit, you know that
Speaker 1: this guest has to be special to be on this show.
Speaker 1: The official laugh fucked it up. Let's start all over again.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have special
Speaker 1: guest actor, comedian all the way from Detroit. Spanky Hayes
Speaker 1: is in the building. Yes, ma'am, and I'm really excited
Speaker 1: about this moment because this is full circle. We go
Speaker 1: way back, way back, you know, way back. I was
Speaker 1: fresh from New York when I knew you.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was still rocking a lot of times, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of tens.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we go way back, yeah too, way back. And
Speaker 1: that's good for this episode because I know where to
Speaker 1: dig and search for all the crumbs. But speaking of crumbs, Spanky,
Speaker 1: we gotta know what you was eating while you were broke.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is pretty simple. You have rice right here,
Speaker 3: and you have tuna. You got butter, and then you
Speaker 3: got hot sauce.
Speaker 1: So when we went back and forth on you know
Speaker 1: what is Spanky gonna eat? And Spanky said tuna and rice,
Speaker 1: and I was like huh like, And so even before
Speaker 1: you got here, it was like, I would have loved
Speaker 1: to like prepared for you, but I was like, there
Speaker 1: has to be missing ingredients, because surely it can't be
Speaker 1: tuna rice. And this is how desperate I was. Usually
Speaker 1: I buy the tuna in water, but because you said
Speaker 1: tuna and rice, I said, well, maybe he needs some
Speaker 1: soft tuna so that the tuna in oil.
Speaker 3: That's how that's not bad.
Speaker 4: That's because I was like, surely there's missing ingredients.
Speaker 1: But this is a true classic broke dish that has
Speaker 1: never been done on this show. We have to search
Speaker 1: hard for it. So I'm super excited because that means
Speaker 1: the broker the dish, as you guys know, the better
Speaker 1: the stories.
Speaker 3: There we go, there we go.
Speaker 1: So seeing that you didn't have to cook it, let's
Speaker 1: watch you prep this dish and walk us through it.
Speaker 1: Because most of our audience is listening, not.
Speaker 3: Watching, okay, So for the listeners that should be watching,
Speaker 3: I would just take some rice right here. Then I
Speaker 3: would like, let's take some button.
Speaker 1: And hot though yeah I think it's like.
Speaker 3: Warm ish, Yes, it's melting a little bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so you put butter in the rice. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: like tastes buttery. Yeah, trust me, I'm a butter fan.
Speaker 1: I like every dish.
Speaker 4: I tell people I go through like a stick of
Speaker 4: butter probably every.
Speaker 1: Three dishes I make. That's how much butter I go through.
Speaker 3: I'll take a whole stick of butter in fire steak.
Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like I would want to eat that steak.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 1: Really Okay, what seasonings do you put though?
Speaker 3: Just like Lauri season salt. Lauri's again some kind of
Speaker 3: like garlic.
Speaker 1: So, guys, I'm watching him mash the butter into the
Speaker 1: rice and it's going down. Okay. You know, I had
Speaker 1: someone on the show I think they did like eggs running,
Speaker 1: eggs and rice, and it was actually, you're pretty good.
Speaker 3: So I could see that running.
Speaker 1: See that you your eggs running.
Speaker 3: I like, I like all kinds of eggs. Yeah, but
Speaker 3: I can see that, like if you got like salmon
Speaker 3: coquettes and you got rice and then you got eggs,
Speaker 3: so then maybe the eggs kind of go over into
Speaker 3: the rice. I can see that.
Speaker 1: So is this a dish that you would eat on
Speaker 1: the road or is this like a dish you eight
Speaker 1: when you broke?
Speaker 3: I used to eat this when I was totally broke.
Speaker 3: I could only thing. I would have to have somebody
Speaker 3: make the rice for me. But it's so easy to
Speaker 3: steal tula. You know what I'm saying out of the supermarket.
Speaker 1: Did you say steal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if I had to, if I had
Speaker 3: to steal, you know what I'm saying. So it was great, Okay,
Speaker 3: And then okay, I think I think.
Speaker 1: Well the cool thing about you know today's episode. I
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Speaker 1: can make both at the same time. So we got
Speaker 1: the rice the buttery rice in a bowl.
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it real
Speaker 4: for all y'all listeners, see if this really hits.
Speaker 3: So, I was gonna ask you how many times have
Speaker 3: you not liked the dish?
Speaker 1: There are a couple of dishes that I definitely will
Speaker 1: never eat again. And that was the tuna casserole shout
Speaker 1: outs to Uplift the Marketplace. I actually hated that dish.
Speaker 1: And then uh, the pickled egg by Miss Jackson.
Speaker 3: Was that sounds terrible.
Speaker 1: Those are the only two dishes that like, I'll never
Speaker 1: eat in life.
Speaker 3: So now, if you like hot sauce, no, you don't
Speaker 3: like hot Nope. Okay, so don't put that. So you
Speaker 3: might want to put like maybe just a.
Speaker 1: Little assault, okay, just a little, but the bowl the
Speaker 1: butter has salted.
Speaker 3: Okay, you wanted them healthy.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not. I just I'm just not from Cali
Speaker 1: and I can't do that. Can I take this one?
Speaker 3: Sure? Yeah? Okay, so you said so that's oh so I.
Speaker 1: Just okay, that's it. That's it, because you don't want
Speaker 1: me having a heart attack while interviewing. I was interviewing
Speaker 1: someone I was interviewing and I think they put a
Speaker 1: lot of.
Speaker 4: Hot sauce and it was too much. So I'm guessing
Speaker 4: we're just gonna mix it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just you just get in there and do it.
Speaker 1: I thought for sure you were forgetting like mayo or.
Speaker 3: Something that'll be like a sandwich.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see, let's see, let's see if it's hitting,
Speaker 1: let's see.
Speaker 3: Hold on, tell me what do you think?
Speaker 1: Surprisingly, No, I'm gonna break this because this dish costs
Speaker 1: like three dollars and you can. You could literally make
Speaker 1: a couple of them because I did two cans of tuna,
Speaker 1: expensive packet of pre made rice. It was like two bucks.
Speaker 3: You could put lemon, you could put let me tell you.
Speaker 1: This can definitely hit and I I could see like
Speaker 1: you adding lemon.
Speaker 3: I'm really see see.
Speaker 1: But if you're broke, for sure, for sure, this dish
Speaker 1: will carry you through. I'm trying to tell you it's
Speaker 1: like eating like a king on a budget though, because
Speaker 1: you have your protein and you have a rice and
Speaker 1: it's feeling.
Speaker 3: You don't work out right after this, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I feel bad for my child because if I'm ever desperate,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make this.
Speaker 3: They're gonna love it.
Speaker 1: I feel like my daughter would really love this. You're
Speaker 1: probably gonna give this to school school. I come home
Speaker 1: sometimes what am I gonna give her? But this is
Speaker 1: actually brilliant.
Speaker 3: I've been doing this.
Speaker 1: Does this pre eat well too?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I never tried to cook it.
Speaker 1: I just always let me tell you perfect dish.
Speaker 3: Thank you. See you were scared.
Speaker 1: I was definitely scared because I was like, this is
Speaker 1: this is gonna.
Speaker 3: Be dry as hell, but good as long as it
Speaker 3: got buttered and you got like some salt or is
Speaker 3: like some lemon, or this hot sauce boom you own.
Speaker 1: You've been sold by the way I'm eating it.
Speaker 3: It's good, guys, sell.
Speaker 1: Good, so I can get you to spell all the
Speaker 1: team good.
Speaker 3: Come on, I'm ready. I red tea.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's a great dish than you like.
Speaker 1: If I'm ever struggling, that's going to be my go to.
Speaker 1: And guys, it's better than ramen. If you've been eating
Speaker 1: ramen for like weeks, switch it up. Do the right thing.
Speaker 3: And then my family, my dad's side of the family
Speaker 3: is from Cuba, so that's kind of where I got
Speaker 3: it from, you know what I'm saying. But they would
Speaker 3: do it like spam, but I don't like.
Speaker 1: I hate Oh I tried spam on this show. That's
Speaker 1: another thing. I'll never do spam. Thank you for reminding me.
Speaker 1: I hate space. So those are my three will never
Speaker 1: do again. I hate spam. I tried it.
Speaker 3: Oh god, spam is terrible.
Speaker 1: It's so salty, right, So I tried it with that.
Speaker 1: You don't be great with this, Like if you do
Speaker 1: the corn beef with the rice.
Speaker 3: Maybe and an egg that might be good too.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, you're inspiring me.
Speaker 3: So there we go. That's what we're here.
Speaker 1: So take us back to what was going on during
Speaker 1: this era.
Speaker 3: Okay, I find myself still there sometimes.
Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. I like that. So you've rolled
Speaker 1: the roller coaster wave of having money and losing money,
Speaker 1: having money and losing money, Oh my god, and then
Speaker 1: you also rode the wave of popularity and being in and.
Speaker 3: You know, out right right, I would say, so.
Speaker 1: Why don't we do this since this dish is a
Speaker 1: rolling Yeah, let's take us back. Take us back to Detroit,
Speaker 1: what was going on.
Speaker 3: Detroit is a great place to be from, but it's
Speaker 3: very hard. Like people are hard, women are very hard.
Speaker 3: It's like your daddy is mean, your granddaddy mean, it's
Speaker 3: like that. It's like kind of like New York.
Speaker 1: Well, i'll tell you this. I went to Detroit and
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to think. It was like there
Speaker 1: was maybe a block where there was two houses that
Speaker 1: were legit, and then like everything around looked like a
Speaker 1: bomb headed. And if it was California, they would have
Speaker 1: revitalized the whole thing. But you're like, wait, y'all lived
Speaker 1: here how long and it's still looking like.
Speaker 3: This and it's a whole city like that.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised when I go down to Detroit that people
Speaker 1: it's so hard to see past your environment growing up
Speaker 1: in it. But to get out of that environment, I
Speaker 1: have so much respect for people because it's like, man, bro,
Speaker 1: you had to see through the dirt. Yes, you had
Speaker 1: to see your dreams through like I don't know you'd
Speaker 1: have to. I don't know where do you get your
Speaker 1: inspiration from in Detroit? Is it TV?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Because well it's so violent there and it's so
Speaker 3: like you gotta like sell down on how far I
Speaker 3: can go in here, but you gotta like sell drugs
Speaker 3: and you gotta like do weird shit. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: like from sixteen yeah yeah, So you're doing some crazy
Speaker 3: stuff to get money. And then most of the time
Speaker 3: your mother's at work because they have Chrystler forward and
Speaker 3: like that. So a lot of people work in the plants,
Speaker 3: but if you work in a plant, you work in
Speaker 3: like twelve sixteen hours, so your parents are not around.
Speaker 3: So you grow up like really fast, like so extremely fast.
Speaker 1: You're growing up fast in Detroit. At what age do
Speaker 1: you decide I'm leaving.
Speaker 3: Soon as I graduated from high school, I said, you
Speaker 3: know what, I can't I can't live and then I
Speaker 3: was so disappointed. My grandmother lived in Harlem, New York,
Speaker 3: so I would go there every summer, and then like once,
Speaker 3: I was kind of too big, Like I could have
Speaker 3: either moved there or moved to LA, but I just
Speaker 3: chose to LA because I didn't know nothing about it.
Speaker 1: So, but what inspired you to move? Did you know
Speaker 1: you want to do comedy at that point or did
Speaker 1: you know you wanted to be in the industry like
Speaker 1: or you just wanted to get run me away from Detroit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to get the f away from Detroit.
Speaker 3: But I wanted to be an actor. I didn't even
Speaker 3: want to do comedy. I wanted to be an actor,
Speaker 3: and I thought in Detroit I couldn't like find a
Speaker 3: way to do that. It was like no outlets really,
Speaker 3: and then in New York it seems so serious. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, New York is also extremely fast paced compared to Detroit.
Speaker 3: Ferry like extremely.
Speaker 1: It's like if you go from Detroit to New York,
Speaker 1: I mean, if you make it from Detroit straight to
Speaker 1: New York. I mean you need them like an Olympic
Speaker 1: metal because the pace is completely different.
Speaker 3: You know, how we get there. I would leave at
Speaker 3: ten o'clock at night on the bus from Detroit, and
Speaker 3: like eleven o'clock, like in the before noon, I would
Speaker 3: be in New York.
Speaker 1: Okay. But even though you were familiar with New York,
Speaker 1: you still chose La. Yeah, okay, So you arrive in
Speaker 1: LA suitcase. What's going on? You're straight from high school.
Speaker 1: What's your pockets looking like?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 1: What's your connects looking like? Nowhere you have no connects nothing.
Speaker 3: I just came out here.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you come out here and I hate the picture.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be a star. And I have my cousins,
Speaker 3: some cousins out here already, and they were like, okay,
Speaker 3: we heard that before. But I'm like, no, you don't
Speaker 3: get it. I'm going to be a star.
Speaker 1: So it's funny because everybody I meet from Detroit it
Speaker 1: seems like that is how it goes down. It's like, no,
Speaker 1: like when I moved out from New York, I didn't
Speaker 1: have nobody to like commadrate with, but I see Detroit
Speaker 1: people in the industry, they kind of stick together, like
Speaker 1: they're like family. You guys have your own college. What
Speaker 1: do you call it? Like fraternity? Almost you from Detroit? Okay?
Speaker 1: What what? What a dope? You second you hear that,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, the fraternity just started, and you.
Speaker 3: Know, it's crazy about that. It's like it's so many
Speaker 3: comics that I that's from Detroit that I meet out
Speaker 3: here that I didn't know in Detroit, but they just
Speaker 3: instantly family.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the Detroit. Yeah, you guys have a ride
Speaker 1: or die. I don't think New York has really had
Speaker 1: that because we meet people from New York and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're cool. But Detroit y'all is like, okay, you're a
Speaker 1: part of my hood. Now what you need just call.
Speaker 1: You know, you'll be crashing on each other's couches.
Speaker 3: Couch surfing. I slept on thousands of couches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, so you're in you're out here. How
Speaker 1: long would you say you were struggling before you got
Speaker 1: your first big opportunity?
Speaker 3: Wow? Say about about five years?
Speaker 1: Five years?
Speaker 3: Yes, I was, Yeah, of strug and you're.
Speaker 1: Only doing acting. You're not even doing comedy, right.
Speaker 3: So when I got to LA, I started doing comedy
Speaker 3: and well a little bit before that. But when I
Speaker 3: got to La, I started seeing like Ricky Harris and
Speaker 3: all these big guys, and I'm like, oh, okay, okay,
Speaker 3: well I'm really in comedy now, so I took it
Speaker 3: a little bit more serious, but it was it was
Speaker 3: the beautiful struggle. I was broke. I used to have
Speaker 3: to date fat girls that I don't like.
Speaker 1: And to like survive eat, Yeah, stuff like that. It
Speaker 1: seems to be the Detroit Player story of the year.
Speaker 1: Detroit guy's move here. They're like, well, let's find abroad.
Speaker 1: But it's weird because the culture in Detroit. You said,
Speaker 1: the women are harder.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, so you can't do that to them in Detroit.
Speaker 1: But in La it's like the land of the adopt
Speaker 1: adopter by friend.
Speaker 3: La is like the prettier girls they like give more
Speaker 3: than nicer, you know. So that's beautiful truck girls. This
Speaker 3: is beautiful Detroit girls. But it's just so hard to
Speaker 3: talk to.
Speaker 1: Defences are up well because Detroit.
Speaker 3: Kind of like New York, because you like New York people,
Speaker 3: girls they walk with the headphones on. You can't even
Speaker 3: talk to you. So it's kind of like that.
Speaker 1: I'm listening to my music.
Speaker 3: Then, So now they don't even turn around. It's like yo, yo,
Speaker 3: they just keep walking like yo the fuck. But yeah,
Speaker 3: Detroit was horrible at the time. It's beautiful to be
Speaker 3: from there because I knew what kind of real life was.
Speaker 3: But then once I got indulged in La, it was
Speaker 3: like I didn't go home for like eight years. So
Speaker 3: my mom didn't see me for like eight years.
Speaker 1: Oh you didn't even go back to visit.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So comedy scene in LA is notorious for not paying comics.
Speaker 1: So which and what I've learned through eating while broke, guys,
Speaker 1: you ain't even eat it is I can't because I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be all up in your See you think you
Speaker 1: can sneak a bite, but when I hit you with
Speaker 1: a question, you're gonna have to swallow fast.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But what I've learned is, you know, with the comedy scene,
Speaker 1: and you could correct me if I'm wrong, but it
Speaker 1: seems like you got to pick your comedy club and
Speaker 1: kind of work at work, at work and to death right,
Speaker 1: and that's your loyal club, and then the rest of
Speaker 1: you're like a little pop up. So which was your
Speaker 1: loyalty club?
Speaker 3: I was you know, I was extremely lucky. When I
Speaker 3: first came here. I was like, what like seventeen eighteen,
Speaker 3: and I did a Fat Tuesday. My cousin. Damn, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: You forgot your cousin name.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's so funny. That's right, my funny. Keith
Speaker 3: watched it is my cousin. So he always tell me,
Speaker 3: don't call him older cuts. I'm saying I'm your older cut.
Speaker 3: Just tell your cousin. That's funny about that. But my cousin,
Speaker 3: he took me around like he took me shopping. He
Speaker 3: took me like the Mayl Rose first day, first day,
Speaker 3: and it took me Mayl Roads, took me to Roscos,
Speaker 3: took me all these places and got me off fresh.
Speaker 3: And he was like, I'm taking you to the comedy store.
Speaker 3: And it was fat Tuesday. So I was like, ah cool,
Speaker 3: like Snoop Dogg. Everybody was there. This is like right
Speaker 3: before Tupac got killed.
Speaker 1: He was wow, okay, whoa crazy? Okay?
Speaker 3: So I went up. They didn't want to let me up.
Speaker 3: I guess keep like Paige gud Tori a couple of
Speaker 3: dollars and he let me up and I got a
Speaker 3: standovation and Missy Shore, the owner of the comedy store,
Speaker 3: was sitting right in the audience get the freak out right,
Speaker 3: and she came right up to me like, you know,
Speaker 3: you want to be a regular, And I was like, what, sure,
Speaker 3: but I didn't even know what I was. Yeah, yeah, sure, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're a paid regular and you kinda every night. So
Speaker 3: from that day on, I was every day, all three rooms.
Speaker 3: I would hit all three rooms.
Speaker 1: No way, But what was the pay looking at because
Speaker 1: comedy store doesn't really pay that much.
Speaker 3: Well, they pay like seventy five dollars if you pay record,
Speaker 3: so but imagine seven days a week going up at
Speaker 3: least twice yeah in nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. Shoot, First of all, you're going you're
Speaker 1: getting paid to tell jokes. There's no greater dream than that.
Speaker 1: I would love to take your career.
Speaker 3: If I was skilled, you could do it cracking junks forever.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was like kind of a blessing. I mean,
Speaker 3: it wasn't the answer, but it was a little better.
Speaker 3: Everybody was jealous of me, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was your first night. Yes, sh okay,
Speaker 1: you hit home runs, so your confidence must have been
Speaker 1: through the roof through But you were still struggling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then I would do extra work. I did
Speaker 3: shows like Moesha, I did Steve Harvey. Steve Harvey kicked
Speaker 3: me off the first day that was on it because
Speaker 3: he was like showing some shoes and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: from Detroit. We wear gators and he was like, should
Speaker 3: wear the gators or should where it is? And I
Speaker 3: was like, gators, but I kept walking because I know
Speaker 3: I don't know him. And he was like, come here,
Speaker 3: you little, you know, cussing me out, little, Come here?
Speaker 3: What you doing about gators? I was like, I'm from Detroit.
Speaker 3: And then this other dude that was from Detroit too,
Speaker 3: he was like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what we do.
Speaker 3: And then he like kept riding me. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but it was That was cool
Speaker 3: because I left there and went to Molitia. That's where
Speaker 3: all my friends were. Okay you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like I met a lot of fans. I met Kobe
Speaker 3: Bryant there.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you made did you make?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: Because this industry is also I feel like this industry
Speaker 1: is weird because you make you don't really make friends
Speaker 1: in this game. It's like, once your season's done, the
Speaker 1: friendship time.
Speaker 3: Cards, everybody numbers changed.
Speaker 1: It's like, yo, we literally were in the trenches together
Speaker 1: for ten years, and now you don't take my calls.
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: So it's like, if the contracts don't merge together, then
Speaker 1: the friendship's over. It's really weird.
Speaker 3: It is really weird. And yeah, it was kind of
Speaker 3: like that, a little like that Brandy. She always speaks
Speaker 3: to me though, so that's cool. I don't see Countess.
Speaker 3: I was a pallbearer for Lamon Bentley. That was like
Speaker 3: my first Hollywood friends and he was crazy as hell.
Speaker 3: But that was my boy though. And yeah, so and
Speaker 3: then Kobe was going with Brandy at the time. Remember,
Speaker 3: So that's when I met oh, okay, okay, and then
Speaker 3: later on in life I met him again. I met
Speaker 3: the eight Kobe eight and twenty four, okay, because like
Speaker 3: his wife was, you know, Mexican, is Mexican, and my
Speaker 3: girl at the time was Mexican. And they went to
Speaker 3: school together, okay, and we just randomly bunked into each
Speaker 3: other and I was like, oh shit, that's Kobe, right.
Speaker 3: I knew he wasn't gonna know me. That was like
Speaker 3: years later, so, but yeah, we got cool. Like Kobe
Speaker 3: was my boy, Like he used to give me ship.
Speaker 3: Every time he saw me, he gave me something crazy nice.
Speaker 1: So he's definitely a nice personality behind.
Speaker 3: The camera to me, he was, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: he liked he was like acting because he knew nobody
Speaker 3: liked him really and he wanted to like leave La,
Speaker 3: but he just kept winning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he.
Speaker 3: Couldn't leave you know.
Speaker 1: Oh damn, I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he because he knew no nobody liked him here,
Speaker 3: Like they just tolerated Kobe.
Speaker 1: If you ask me, you think so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the two first three rings they say that
Speaker 3: he wouldn't have him without shot, so that's.
Speaker 1: The one major Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And then he got rid of shock. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: he got called into that case and there was that
Speaker 3: case card. It was kind of over. Yeah, they really
Speaker 3: now they didn't have to like him like Kobe. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that was crazy.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy because like you know, after it's passing,
Speaker 1: it's like you can't go nowhere in La without seeing
Speaker 1: a Kobe. But that's how LA is for everyone that
Speaker 1: doesn't live in La, that's how LA is.
Speaker 3: Hey, they only like you when you die.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't like you. They don't like you. They
Speaker 1: don't like you. After you die, they tell.
Speaker 3: You how great you are.
Speaker 1: You can't hear that freaking sucks.
Speaker 3: That sucks. But that's all it.
Speaker 1: So, so after you're doing your comedy thing, you're struggling
Speaker 1: to to at least make money, but you're making connects
Speaker 1: and your waves in the industry. Okay, at what point
Speaker 1: in the industry do you feel like you got Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm really onto something.
Speaker 3: When they let me do comic view out here like everything. Okay,
Speaker 3: So a lot of things were going on when I
Speaker 3: lived in New York in Detroit, but I didn't get
Speaker 3: none of those TV shows until I moved to LA
Speaker 3: So it was like, so to me, it was the
Speaker 3: best thing I could have ever did, But none of
Speaker 3: those checks were like life changing. It was just like
Speaker 3: for the moment I could pay my rent. You know,
Speaker 3: I can get caught up all three months, so let
Speaker 3: me pay one and a half. But they were all
Speaker 3: like little things to get you, to make sure your
Speaker 3: confidence don't get shattered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's all it is. It was like enough
Speaker 1: to keep you on the path, but not fully quick.
Speaker 3: Exactly like, you know, to keep you interested.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel like there was a part. I
Speaker 1: mean obviously, well you and I go back to the
Speaker 1: nick days. But I talked to you about this all
Speaker 1: the time. I was very young. I was like twenty
Speaker 1: two to however old. But I remember seeing grown on
Speaker 1: like struggling.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like, and I'm a young person. I'm like, if y'all.
Speaker 2: Struggling, like right right, future?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like shit, and you know, I'm in
Speaker 1: my I'm starting getting my late twenties. I'm like, shit,
Speaker 1: I may have to book it soon because this ain't
Speaker 1: looking too promising if the forty and fifty year olds
Speaker 1: are in the closets, I mean literally speaking in the
Speaker 1: closets and yeah, And that was like for me, it
Speaker 1: was like, yo, what are you in it for? And
Speaker 1: I started to come to the thing that like maybe
Speaker 1: some guys were in it for girls or status, but
Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't about money. And that's what I kind
Speaker 1: of started to learn about the industry, and I kind
Speaker 1: of was like, well, this this seems like more of
Speaker 1: a pimp game than it is.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the biggest form of the pimp game.
Speaker 3: And then it's more like for a comedian in LA
Speaker 3: like the stage time is the money. It's not like
Speaker 3: the money. You never see money like you like never
Speaker 3: see it. Get a job, yeah yeah, until then you
Speaker 3: have to go do extra work. You gotta go to
Speaker 3: the piece. And then now you think you're kind of
Speaker 3: famous because once you get popular, so you don't want
Speaker 3: a job.
Speaker 1: You don't want a real and that is the dilemma
Speaker 1: that I'm so confused about, Like would you ever want
Speaker 1: to get a real job after everything you've accomplished.
Speaker 3: I tried. I tried because I retired for eight years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: So when I first like retired like three months later,
Speaker 3: it was like, Okay, where's the money coming from? I
Speaker 3: ain't going on stage, so I don't want to go
Speaker 3: on the road, I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 3: to read the script, I don't want to do none
Speaker 3: of that. So where's the money coming? So I kind
Speaker 3: of look for odd jobs and get construction for a second,
Speaker 3: and then I like start growing.
Speaker 1: With eat, you know, but before you got to the
Speaker 1: step away point, because I want to get there with you.
Speaker 1: And I think that is probably one of the parts
Speaker 1: that I'm most intrigued about because I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people, at least I don't know people from our
Speaker 1: circle have been like this, I'm not doing it anymore
Speaker 1: besides you and me, because I took a ten year
Speaker 1: I think I took a ten year leave before I
Speaker 1: came back to eating while broke and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: ship just off the roller decks. Oh yeah, I took
Speaker 1: a ten year leave.
Speaker 3: That's why you look so good? No, for real, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because you know, there's this city will beat you up.
Speaker 1: It will beat you up. But I was definitely I
Speaker 1: took a tenure leave. But it was mainly because you know,
Speaker 1: I saw people struggling for so many years, and it
Speaker 1: was men that It wasn't women, it was men with families.
Speaker 1: And I think that to me was just every day
Speaker 1: going into the office and seeing that I was like,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: What, people arguing and having the worst attitudes. It was bad, man,
Speaker 3: It was bad. It was bad. But yeah, and at
Speaker 3: that time, I was just making kids. I wasn't trying
Speaker 3: to be no family. I was just.
Speaker 1: You were you were a kid, for you, for you,
Speaker 1: and you get pregnant.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was beautiful, beautiful.
Speaker 1: Are you how many kids you got? I got five again, Okay,
Speaker 1: well you're not nowhere near his nixt level of he
Speaker 1: went down fast in a year, so wow. But I
Speaker 1: have theories about that.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 1: I have theories because he was such a squeaky clean
Speaker 1: person when we knew him, like no drinking, no alcohol,
Speaker 1: no tattoos. I mean, of course he got the Mariah tattoos.
Speaker 3: He smokes weed.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, he smokes me. I heard he may drink
Speaker 1: a little.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, maybe I'm be lying. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If you can have twenty kids in a month.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, you have to drink. I have a theory.
Speaker 1: We'll get to it. But I have a theory that
Speaker 1: I think happened because if you knew you know, obviously,
Speaker 1: the way we saw him, he was very squeaky clean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so as far as that side of life.
Speaker 3: Right, But he was hitting everybody he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was always a whore. But you gotta think
Speaker 1: when we were around him the most, he was married
Speaker 1: to Mariah, So during that phase we didn't.
Speaker 3: See that well. I knew him like or he even got.
Speaker 1: Anything that I knew him before, and he was he
Speaker 1: got to I remember there was a point where he
Speaker 1: was doing like a g T was married to Mariah,
Speaker 1: and there was like a hall because I think he
Speaker 1: smashed so many people. And I think he had to
Speaker 1: be on set with the Pussycat doll girl and he
Speaker 1: smashed her too. You know what I'm saying. It was like,
Speaker 1: what lady has he not smashed?
Speaker 3: I heard that he was on a date with the
Speaker 3: pussycat girl and saw Mariah was like, here he had
Speaker 3: some cat money. It was in New York. Here's some
Speaker 3: cat money. I do something.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay. I didn't know that story, but I've always
Speaker 1: known that he was a woman's like. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of women ship. There was points
Speaker 1: where I don't want to get I remember there was
Speaker 1: a point when I think Caleb got a couple of
Speaker 1: calls because some of the chicks would show up to
Speaker 1: the studio. I swear to god, they would be wearing
Speaker 1: a paper thin dress and nothing under it.
Speaker 3: They was there trying to get on the show.
Speaker 1: They was trying to do something, trying to get a show.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Nick, though, shout out to Nick. So
Speaker 1: take me back. So you're you're you're riding the wave,
Speaker 1: You're starting to build up momentum. I think you came
Speaker 1: out here in the nineties.
Speaker 3: You said I came out here in ninety six. Okay,
Speaker 3: So so back to Nick Cannon. So then that's when
Speaker 3: I meet Nick. So we're still young, like okay, so
Speaker 3: I was like almost old enough to get in the
Speaker 3: club and he was like not old enough at all.
Speaker 3: So we would they would make us go to like
Speaker 3: the kitchen, stay away from the like alcohol, can be
Speaker 3: around alcohol. So it's like, so that's how we came
Speaker 3: We like got cool, came up, you know, like bond
Speaker 3: like that. So it's like, yeah, well if you get on,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get on. If you get on that we
Speaker 3: did that them near blood Sacrifice then yeah. So it's like,
Speaker 3: so that's how we were still friends in those times
Speaker 3: when I met you, because they started from the beginning.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and so when I met Nick, we were
Speaker 3: both trying to like do something. He was trying to
Speaker 3: I was like, no, don't do extra work. You don't
Speaker 3: need to do that, Like, dude, you're gonna be something
Speaker 3: like trust me.
Speaker 1: It was this now prior to drumline.
Speaker 3: Huh, this is before drumping. Yeah, ok, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: before he didn't have anything. Yeah, he was just like
Speaker 3: going to Soul trained and then if if they don't you.
Speaker 1: Know how I used to do soul training. Oh man,
Speaker 1: the Soul trained hustle.
Speaker 3: Was real, right, So if you know, if they didn't
Speaker 3: pick you, then you know you have some So if
Speaker 3: he didn't get picked, he would come to my house.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I'm saying. So I didn't even
Speaker 1: know he did that hustle. Okay, I think everybody had
Speaker 1: to do the soul train hustle when first.
Speaker 3: I did it. At first, I just never got picked.
Speaker 1: Well, it's easier for the girls because the girls always
Speaker 1: got you always had a place train. Ironically, when I
Speaker 1: did Celebrity High, Soul Trained was the first person I
Speaker 1: pitched a partner up because they would have all that
Speaker 1: talent shoot over like two days, and I'd be like, yo,
Speaker 1: do the talent for my mag But I was so young.
Speaker 1: They were like kid. Get They were like, yes, it's cute,
Speaker 1: but just when the camera hit take your butt.
Speaker 3: We don't care about anything else.
Speaker 1: Was over there kissing every person. He could see. That's
Speaker 1: what does human They can't I definitely received the kiss
Speaker 1: from Shamar at one point in my life and it
Speaker 1: was like, dude's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wouldn't be interested, No, no, sorry guy.
Speaker 1: Luckily, luckily, I think he settled down. Well hopefully he has.
Speaker 1: If not, I mean the looks I guess on him,
Speaker 1: they definitely have a very you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, it's crazy. So look, So so I start
Speaker 3: are kind of coaching Nick on how to do comedy.
Speaker 3: You wanted to do comedy. His first manager name was
Speaker 3: Sam and he was from Detroit to ear. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: that's how I met Nick to his first manager. So
Speaker 3: but anyway, lost so.
Speaker 1: Short we and he wasn't writing for Nickelodeon at the time. No,
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing an okay okay, so you catch him
Speaker 1: right out. So that's why you guys were so close.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and then eventually he started getting gigs and
Speaker 3: I would ride with him, just be with him. You know,
Speaker 3: that's my brother, so you know. And then from that
Speaker 3: went to me doing more stand up. And then I
Speaker 3: had a group called the Other Level. When we came
Speaker 3: out here, three of us all from Detroit, and we
Speaker 3: were doing like wild'n out on stage. That was like
Speaker 3: the beginning of wile. So then Nick got a deal.
Speaker 4: And hire me Okay, So now were you did you
Speaker 4: know Nile at the time too, Well, you guys met
Speaker 4: me now later.
Speaker 3: Muchs later for me, I don't know. I don't even
Speaker 3: know how long Nick knew now, but I met now
Speaker 3: like when we started production. Yeah, but you know, now
Speaker 3: I's been there from day one two. He was the
Speaker 3: first head writer and now he's the CEO. About that
Speaker 3: he's had what crazy?
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I know he was. I'm not sure about today, but
Speaker 3: wall'm out he's like the head guy waking out him
Speaker 3: and uh Goldman, Yeah, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 3: You know he came up.
Speaker 1: He came up, okay, yeah, because he was on here
Speaker 1: and he did share that when Nick got his record deal.
Speaker 1: You know, he was like the road manager for Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now's been down forever.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So so like me and Nick kind of okay, so
Speaker 3: before he became Nick Cannon and then when he became
Speaker 3: Nick Cannon, I saw him again and he was like, yo,
Speaker 3: where you've been here? You need some money? Great? He
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, I want to give your job, man,
Speaker 3: come on just to hang with me. And so but
Speaker 3: I was on the road a lot at that time,
Speaker 3: so I was seeing when I seen him, but then
Speaker 3: when he got walling out, it was history.
Speaker 1: That was it, you know.
Speaker 3: But you know, my other three partners were kind of
Speaker 3: mad about that because they felt like they should have
Speaker 3: been on the show. It never worried, okay, yeah, so
Speaker 3: that made it look like he kind of stole the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So, oh yeah, yeah, and Nick knew everybody. He knew
Speaker 3: all of us. We were called the Other Level. You
Speaker 3: can google it. We had we had deals with Will
Speaker 3: Smith connects to Nick again.
Speaker 1: So you guys were doing the improv show and.
Speaker 3: Then right we would like do skids, we do improv,
Speaker 3: and then we would rap and then we would sing
Speaker 3: a song.
Speaker 1: So don't that song like that is exactly like thank you.
Speaker 1: So then he recruited.
Speaker 3: You, right because I was the leader of the group
Speaker 3: and his friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course. And then so he ends up
Speaker 1: getting a show deal. He puts you on the show
Speaker 1: of course your friends. So you're like, whatever, no need to.
Speaker 3: Well I had to take care of him for a while.
Speaker 1: Who the three other guys.
Speaker 3: Because we were all in la starting. Yeah, and now
Speaker 3: our show has been done, our show is happening, and
Speaker 3: I'm the only one on it, so I had to kind.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, yeah, to keep the peace.
Speaker 3: And their family too, So you know I would have
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 1: Do you think Nick felt some type of way about
Speaker 1: it or well, he wasn't friends with them, so he.
Speaker 3: Was friends with him. But I think Nick tried to
Speaker 3: just forget that. Yeah, like it's already moving, The train
Speaker 3: is already moving, so you know, let's not forget what
Speaker 3: we left behind. Let's just keep going forward. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: that's yeah, but you know what I'm saying. So, but
Speaker 3: you know, and it's not the down Nick or not.
Speaker 3: I'm just telling you history, you know, like, and if
Speaker 3: you ask him, if he don't say something close to this,
Speaker 3: he's lying yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well either way, it's but you can see as
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Yeah, I mean the way you say it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I only can say how it happened.
Speaker 1: So then all right, So then the show gets picked up.
Speaker 1: You're on the show, your popularity and your money starts
Speaker 1: to rise.
Speaker 3: Right. Well, first, first, here's another reason why I know
Speaker 3: that they knew they got the show for me. I
Speaker 3: was the first one to get fired before the show
Speaker 3: even aired, before we could take one episode. They fired me.
Speaker 3: Why because they said I was too in charge. They
Speaker 3: said I knew I would come out more. You know
Speaker 3: how everybody got yeah, well, well he's taking charge of
Speaker 3: everything because it was my show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you were yeah so and it's your show.
Speaker 1: You have an opinion, more input, and you're more passionate
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: Right, but anything, if anything, I was trying to like
Speaker 3: show them like, no, man, don't waste your time doing
Speaker 3: it this way. Let's do it this way and then
Speaker 3: it'll be faster, be funnier.
Speaker 1: So they fired you, But how'd you get back?
Speaker 3: Because I decided that they're not about to do my
Speaker 3: show without me. So I went back to the studio
Speaker 3: and Chris Spencer. Chris Spencer, uh, he seen me in
Speaker 3: the lobby and was like, why haven't you been here?
Speaker 3: And I was like, they fired me. It was like what.
Speaker 3: So he got nick and nick was like, man, you're
Speaker 3: not fired.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well come on man, suit up, okay, okay, So
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 1: So that was around two thousand and five. Nicko was
Speaker 1: very young man. He wasn't the man he is today.
Speaker 1: Because I'm sorry, I have to add badges. By the way,
Speaker 1: we recently got married.
Speaker 3: Shout out, shout out, to mac Man.
Speaker 1: Congratulations. Yeah, I'm up to Mac probably a couple of years,
Speaker 1: going downtown LA randomly one night, but shout out to Mac.
Speaker 1: He was there, there, he was there. I think he
Speaker 1: exited maybe five years ago or six years ago, maybe
Speaker 1: somewhere around there. But back then, I don't think Nick
Speaker 1: had the power to really fire. Like nowadays, if you
Speaker 1: get fired, you'd be like, no, Nick pulled that trigger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he may follow in your face, but he pulled that trigger. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely pulled it around.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And even if you're questioning it, nah, I don't question it.
Speaker 3: Don't question it. All you got to do is think
Speaker 3: about it. I know I know you here, well, you
Speaker 3: were there, so I know you hear me. So if
Speaker 3: you ever thought about why is this little guy so angry?
Speaker 3: That's what I used to be mad about. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like these niggas took the ship right in front of me.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you get brought back in, so you're taping.
Speaker 1: You're one of the originals. Okay, So your career starts
Speaker 1: to take all take you off even more. I'm sure
Speaker 1: your rate for comedy goes up right definitely, And now
Speaker 1: you're making art.
Speaker 3: Would you say real I would say, oh, the wild
Speaker 3: texts stupid. We were those first like eight seasons, well okay,
Speaker 3: all of the seasons until he got married, and then
Speaker 3: we broke off for like four years we didn't do
Speaker 3: a show, so that was and then when we came
Speaker 3: back that was the MTV two. So all of the
Speaker 3: original MTV shows we were getting one knee.
Speaker 1: Okay, And were you blowing it or were you budgeting it?
Speaker 3: I was. I had like two or three families at
Speaker 3: the time, so I was like, you know, I stayed broke. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, because you know, I got
Speaker 3: a couple of baby mamas and possible and you know, posible.
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, oh, possible because there was one baby
Speaker 3: that I wasn't sure it was mine, but I still
Speaker 3: kind of liked the girl, so I was and then
Speaker 3: it wasn't mine. So you know, stuff like that. A
Speaker 3: lot of girls said they have babies by me, but
Speaker 3: they won't take the test for some reason.
Speaker 1: Well that's yeah, well you can't take the testing.
Speaker 3: You can't take the testing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no child sport for you? Yeah, so are you
Speaker 1: on child sport?
Speaker 3: I paid child sport for my son Carlos, who's the
Speaker 3: Japanese guy with the Mexican name, how about that?
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yeah, so you gotta okay.
Speaker 3: He's what sixteen now, so I won't be for a wow.
Speaker 1: But the rest of them, they didn't put you on.
Speaker 3: No, they they always had LLCs and companies, so I
Speaker 3: will have my money to Okay. Should I say that.
Speaker 1: I should not say that that none of these women
Speaker 1: listen to the show.
Speaker 3: I I'll just trying to.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, but like, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure there's some dude listening out there.
Speaker 3: Like she said, well, well, Bob, been trying to put
Speaker 3: your child sport forever. Why can't she do it? I
Speaker 3: was like, because I hired my money in companies, Like
Speaker 3: you're gonna show me how to do that?
Speaker 1: I was like, sure, that's so funny, that is hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is a guy somewhere out there like checkmate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, get LLC and get a business account, and
Speaker 3: you get a business account then you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, said but don't do it to avoid oh
Speaker 1: no no, but definitely do it to even protect yourselfe
Speaker 1: how to protect yourself. I tell people all the time,
Speaker 1: if you're even a creator, no check should ever be
Speaker 1: written directly to you, no ever.
Speaker 3: And you know that's the biggest mistake in black Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Yeah I can see that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you got it. And it's so bad it
Speaker 3: don't matter.
Speaker 1: Just write me to check, write me to check.
Speaker 3: I signed it right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you get And the crazy thing is like
Speaker 1: the other thing. Every time you fill out of W
Speaker 1: nine and someone's paying you, guys, and it's two hundreds,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how much it is. Think about it.
Speaker 1: You're signing W nine, you're going to get tax tax
Speaker 1: and if you're getting that check written directly to your
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay double the tax than you would as
Speaker 1: a corporation.
Speaker 3: I swear to God. So you got to get incorporated.
Speaker 1: Man, immediately. Immediately make sure those checks are not written
Speaker 1: to you. I don't care if you got to tell
Speaker 1: them delayed payment.
Speaker 4: Do not get that check written to I can't tell
Speaker 4: you how many times I've talked this lesson and.
Speaker 3: Take it.
Speaker 1: Katie and Jared OUTNN told y'all to get a corporation.
Speaker 1: Shout outs to y'all corporation. I preach it all day
Speaker 1: to be like you know what, this year will be
Speaker 1: the year, and they never do it. The day after
Speaker 1: the day I send them money to corporation will be
Speaker 1: the proudest day of my life. But right now they're
Speaker 1: going to pay double the tax.
Speaker 3: Gotta get that.
Speaker 1: They gotta get that.
Speaker 3: So that's what I've been doing for years, and it
Speaker 3: worked for me. I can't say that I made that
Speaker 3: much money to hide, but yeah, I was starving. You
Speaker 3: know how this shit go so so cool?
Speaker 1: You were breaking off these other guys, your careers taking off, Uh,
Speaker 1: your careers, taking off. Everything's going on.
Speaker 3: I'm on TV every day.
Speaker 1: Now, do you start to pick up vices?
Speaker 3: What do you mean, like cocaine and something? Yeah, something
Speaker 3: I used to It was like, okay, here's the thing
Speaker 3: about me and drugs. I like I like drugs.
Speaker 1: Can I say that you can always say that I
Speaker 1: love drugs.
Speaker 3: I love them. I mean mushrooms. I'll still take them.
Speaker 3: I think I'm still probably high right now. Mushrooms. Cocaine.
Speaker 3: I can't do as much because a lot of people
Speaker 3: died off cocaine. But it was a point where I
Speaker 3: used to like it, not cook it or nothing. Yeah, whatever, pills.
Speaker 3: I went through a pill phase, but it wasn't fun.
Speaker 3: I like cocaine okay, but but I don't like it now.
Speaker 3: I can't do it now, Oh you don't. So what
Speaker 3: to many people die?
Speaker 1: Did you know people that died?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Teddy b what comedians? Comedians? I don't want to
Speaker 3: name any names. I don't want to slander anybody. I
Speaker 3: think this is what I personally think. I think cocaine
Speaker 3: mixed with the shock.
Speaker 1: You yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's all I think. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so the reason why I brought that up is because
Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, the double works and ministerious ways,
Speaker 1: whether it's girls, drugs or whatever. And I had to
Speaker 1: bring that up because, like I said, there was a
Speaker 1: point where I knew men in the industry that were broke,
Speaker 1: and I started to get to this point where it's like,
Speaker 1: if you're broke, then there's gotta be another vice that
Speaker 1: you're getting some level of achievement from the standard game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean being around n Yeah, being around Nick, it
Speaker 1: was definitely you hang with Nick, you're gonna get free
Speaker 1: Hanging around Nick, you're gonna get free status. But you know,
Speaker 1: even with that, you had to still be smart enough
Speaker 1: to figure out how to make.
Speaker 3: Money because that was like before clout. So it wasn't
Speaker 3: like we were getting Instagram fans. Yeah, it was just
Speaker 3: more we had to learn how to make money from it.
Speaker 3: That was very hard. It's very hard to make money
Speaker 3: off the cloud. Yeah. Yeah, and you know and someone
Speaker 3: else like.
Speaker 1: You, so you could pull it off.
Speaker 3: But it just depends on the level of life and
Speaker 3: thinking you are.
Speaker 1: Because but there were guys working for free for years,
Speaker 1: and I felt like they must have been doing it
Speaker 1: for clout because there was no When I say, I
Speaker 1: was like, it doesn't even make logical sense.
Speaker 3: People were sleeping in the car.
Speaker 1: It was scariest to me. There's nothing more scary than
Speaker 1: seeing like older people broke around you. You'd be like,
Speaker 1: is this my best thing? Like coming from New York,
Speaker 1: you see homeless people and be like my parents would
Speaker 1: be like that person tried a cigarette. You'd be like, well,
Speaker 1: I've never tried a cigarette.
Speaker 4: Being in the game and seeing like a bunch of
Speaker 4: broke people around the one rich person, it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: something's not adding up right.
Speaker 3: And then here's this too, like to be the only
Speaker 3: person with a sandwich and it's all these hungry motherfuckers
Speaker 3: around you, Like why didn't we kill Like it's like
Speaker 3: a little rulee, like, don't kill the person with the soundwich,
Speaker 3: gonna give you a piece, don't worry. Just have faith.
Speaker 1: Stories about people begging the person with a sandwich.
Speaker 3: They'll do it.
Speaker 1: The response wasn't really nice. Oh my god, it was terrible.
Speaker 3: Man, being in Hollywood for all this time, all these years.
Speaker 3: When I retired, the first thing people I'll notice people
Speaker 3: will say to me it was like, man, you are
Speaker 3: so stern. Man, you are so mean, Like because I
Speaker 3: was so used to hearing no all the time that
Speaker 3: I had like got immune to it, like no, that
Speaker 3: ain't ship like whatever, No, I'm waiting for the yes.
Speaker 3: But so people aren't used to that. I mean, but
Speaker 3: we don't know that because we like in this life. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but we don't get like the other side of life
Speaker 3: until we go over there and it's like what like
Speaker 3: people here know and cry and go to the hospital
Speaker 3: have a heart attack seizure.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, yes, another notework, one step closed, Let's
Speaker 1: get thirty more.
Speaker 3: Right, Like go on right, I'm telling you like know
Speaker 3: to me is like I don't know. Maybe.
Speaker 1: So you're enjoying your ride and you're doing well. You
Speaker 1: have a couple of little families, but at some point
Speaker 1: you decide I'm punching out at that point.
Speaker 3: The point, well, one of them was. I went to
Speaker 3: this audition and it was an ice Cube movie. It
Speaker 3: was called Lottery Ticket in the in the breakdown, it
Speaker 3: had for one of the characters of Spanky Hayes type.
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, shit, that's me. Everyone's calling me, every
Speaker 3: agency calling me. It's all about this one movie. So
Speaker 3: I go there. I read for about twenty times, literally
Speaker 3: in front of ice Cube, in front of O'sha's son,
Speaker 3: in front of his other son, in front of his wife,
Speaker 3: in front of this producer, front of that producer. I'm
Speaker 3: going to Detroit and see ice Cube and two of
Speaker 3: his sons on the same plane as me. I'm looking
Speaker 3: at him like, uh hello, I'm already on TVA day, man,
Speaker 3: come on, so make a loss short. One day I
Speaker 3: went and read and the lady said, you didn't read
Speaker 3: it like you would normally read it. I was like, well,
Speaker 3: I did this like thirty times, Like how many times
Speaker 3: do you want me to read it? I was like,
Speaker 3: and it says in the breakdowns a Spanky Hayes type.
Speaker 3: She said, we don't really want Spanky Hayes. So I
Speaker 3: was like, huh. So I was like, so you rather
Speaker 3: have a spanky Hayes type than real?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So they wanted like some kind of stereotypical version of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I just kind of kicked all the computers
Speaker 3: down in the room and knocked all the ship down.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of you. I was just you were
Speaker 1: just pissed.
Speaker 3: I've never heard a person say we want someone just.
Speaker 1: Like you but not not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's like what that was crazy?
Speaker 1: So you lost it, totally lost it, and.
Speaker 3: I didn't verified. I'm pretty sure you was. I probably
Speaker 3: was blackballed after that, but I didn't. I didn't feel
Speaker 3: better about that until I watched Straight Out of Comptent
Speaker 3: and saw ice Cube.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, My favorite scene in Straight
Speaker 1: Out of Compton was the scene when he took a
Speaker 1: bat to everything. And it was mainly because when we
Speaker 1: had the celebrity high days, I had all these sponsors
Speaker 1: and they would take forever to pay. There were some
Speaker 1: months where I'd be like, Nick, I hate to come
Speaker 1: to you, but man, I can't afford my wrenck this month.
Speaker 1: Like I got money old, I just don't know when
Speaker 1: it's coming. And I was always in that position of like,
Speaker 1: I want to go up to this person's office be like,
Speaker 1: motherfucking you kill my company, give me my money. So
Speaker 1: that was like literally my favorite scene. But yes, okay,
Speaker 1: so you saw that scene and then.
Speaker 3: I thought better. I was like, ok but do you think.
Speaker 1: That was a real, real thing that happened.
Speaker 3: Well, it happened to me, So I can see how.
Speaker 1: When you decided okay, I'm checking out or slash, you
Speaker 1: may have gotten blackballed.
Speaker 3: I was thinking maybe, uh, but.
Speaker 1: See see did you try to apologize afterwards?
Speaker 3: No? I never reached back out to him. The only
Speaker 3: reason why I even wanted to watch the film is
Speaker 3: to see who they picked instead of me.
Speaker 1: Okay, and who did they pick.
Speaker 3: I don't even know the guy, but he's the guy.
Speaker 3: Remember he was like the d BO guy, the guy
Speaker 3: who kept taking ticket.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I was reading for that part okay, okay.
Speaker 3: And they kept saying, well, you're too funny and what
Speaker 3: this is a comedy.
Speaker 1: That's crazy? It was, and I could see that being
Speaker 1: like a trigger, like you want someone like me but
Speaker 1: not me.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, I'm about to break all this ship in.
Speaker 3: So it's like I wish.
Speaker 1: I could have been a fly on the wall to
Speaker 1: see that.
Speaker 3: You know who was there? Okay, So remember in Destiny's
Speaker 3: Child it was it was first of all, it was
Speaker 3: four different ones. Was it was it was Kelly, it
Speaker 3: was Beyonce, and it was two other ones shorter, one
Speaker 3: else and then the other one who became actress LaToya.
Speaker 3: She was okay. So when I walked out the door,
Speaker 3: she was sitting right for real. I said, oh, I
Speaker 3: like your ship man. She was like whoa. She looked
Speaker 3: at me like, wow, you're a trip like so yeah.
Speaker 3: So at that point I was mad about that then,
Speaker 3: so I was like, I don't want to really do
Speaker 3: this no more. So then I went on the road
Speaker 3: a couple of times and I didn't really feel it,
Speaker 3: so I didn't really do it as good as I
Speaker 3: normally do. So I started, so it start kind of
Speaker 3: you know, and then Nick Cannon brought it while a'n
Speaker 3: now back, so I went that's when it was in
Speaker 3: New York and the checks were less than half of
Speaker 3: what they used. So I was like, so all of
Speaker 3: these signs, it's like, man, put this shit, man do
Speaker 3: something else. Like I was already famous. I already been
Speaker 3: famous for years. It was kind of my turn to
Speaker 3: kind of break off from them anyway and do my
Speaker 3: own thing. I just didn't really know and they weren't
Speaker 3: really giving like jobs at that time a lot, so boom.
Speaker 3: So I got a podcast right after that. I was
Speaker 3: one of the kind of like the first people to
Speaker 3: get a podcast. It was called The Spanky Hag Show.
Speaker 3: And one day I had asked, well, we were all
Speaker 3: asking each other questions because I kept it open, and
Speaker 3: somebody asked me, who do you think is gay in Hollywood?
Speaker 3: And I was like, I threw the question back, who
Speaker 3: you think is So it was my turn again and
Speaker 3: I just said okay. And if you didn't know this
Speaker 3: did like me and him were like beefed out.
Speaker 4: I did not know likeous, So you don't remember when
Speaker 4: did the video with the cold on?
Speaker 3: He was like yeah, that was about me. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: because I said he was gay and then he heard
Speaker 3: that I said that, and he did a video and
Speaker 3: then I did another video and.
Speaker 1: Was hilarious, Yeah that's hilarious. Yeah, that's really funny.
Speaker 3: So that kind of solidified the black ball with black people,
Speaker 3: because first of all, I'm making trouble and now calling
Speaker 3: people gay. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So they But luckily it was long before the you
Speaker 1: know the.
Speaker 3: Right now right, No, it wasn't right now, I think,
Speaker 3: But I think I kind of started the short.
Speaker 1: Don't tell me you're the creator.
Speaker 3: I think I.
Speaker 1: Can culture GBT.
Speaker 3: I want to say I was one of the first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like, let's rally a group of less now.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. My cousin is gay. I have
Speaker 3: a couple of gay friends, a lot of gay friends. Actually,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm praised in Hollywood, so people know that
Speaker 3: I wasn't gay bashing. Yeah, it was just me calling
Speaker 3: somebody else. But he got so mad about it that
Speaker 3: we beefed out for a little while. So that helped
Speaker 3: me retire because I was like, okay, so at least
Speaker 3: I'm on a high note. I'm still on GMZ and
Speaker 3: I'm still doing this, but I don't want to do
Speaker 3: this no more so. And then I got a family,
Speaker 3: which I love so much. My wife is my beautiful wife.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I would do without her. She
Speaker 3: kind of she saved me from Hollywood. She like literally
Speaker 3: saved me.
Speaker 1: Like, no, bosh, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3: Because okay, well, of course she knew who I was
Speaker 3: when when we met, but I would tell her like, look,
Speaker 3: call me Carlos.
Speaker 1: That's my real name, you know that.
Speaker 3: So call me Carlos. Don't call me Spanky, Like don't
Speaker 3: I'm not spanky. I am spanky, but don't just call
Speaker 3: me Carlos. And it's like I was like teaching her
Speaker 3: like the real me. I was like, look, if I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have left Hollywood and or met you, I would
Speaker 3: still be there and I wouldn't. I would be nothing.
Speaker 3: I would be like a junkie one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a deep statement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because Hollywood is a fix. It's not real. It's
Speaker 3: like a fix. It's like a big ass check you
Speaker 3: get one time in your life and you keep trying
Speaker 3: to do the same thing to get another check like that, to.
Speaker 1: Get another hit. It's almost like chasing a high.
Speaker 3: Exactly that that's what it is. And then the more
Speaker 3: people see you, especially like when we were coming up,
Speaker 3: like nineties, early two thousands, it was a lot different,
Speaker 3: Like appearances meant they meant more. Yeah, like back in
Speaker 3: the up. So it was like now it's.
Speaker 1: Like Instagram era. Well, I feel like it's funny because
Speaker 1: now that we have Instagram, like in the air that
Speaker 1: we came from, it was definitely more celebrity driven. I
Speaker 1: think Instagram came out in two thousand and around twenty
Speaker 1: twelve to fifteen or something.
Speaker 3: Okay, damn, I was gonna say like three but.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't then three face Yeah, yeah, Facebook or
Speaker 1: my Space, my Space, it was my Space. Facebook came out.
Speaker 3: Remember we used to hang out with Tom from my Space.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I tell people that all the time.
Speaker 1: But now we're in the era where Instagram is, and
Speaker 1: I fear for the world we live in now in
Speaker 1: the sense of like people that aren't even celebrities are
Speaker 1: chasing highs from likes, and.
Speaker 3: I say this, I fucking hate Instagram talent. I'm not
Speaker 3: into it. They're not funny. Uh, they just stay on
Speaker 3: the phone all day. If it was that simple when
Speaker 3: I was coming up, I would be a gazillionaire.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just feel like that that Instagram non talent stuff
Speaker 3: took away with the struggle of it, like the getting
Speaker 3: to know people and sleeping on people couches because because
Speaker 3: like at the end of the day, it's not about talent.
Speaker 3: And that's another thing that broke my heart when I
Speaker 3: found out it wasn't about how funny I was, and
Speaker 3: it wasn't about how many times I was funny, because
Speaker 3: you know, La, you got it. They judge you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've seen be funny like thirty times. You know, they
Speaker 3: judge you, they say shit like that. So but once
Speaker 3: I found out it wasn't about that. It's about relationships.
Speaker 3: It's like Hollywood relationship, you hit it.
Speaker 1: I think a keyword Hollywood, because I will say I
Speaker 1: don't know how New York is because I haven't really
Speaker 1: moved into industry out there, but I will say LA
Speaker 1: is all relationship.
Speaker 3: It's all relationships. It's just it's just like when you
Speaker 3: get something to your producer. You stuck to it. Now
Speaker 3: you're on whatever, the biggest show out and then you
Speaker 3: see me, Hey, what's up. That's how you get job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But you want to know something that's tricky about
Speaker 1: the relationships in hollywod and this is kind of what
Speaker 1: I was touching on earlier. It's very like fluid. There's
Speaker 1: no deep connection. I mean we have, I mean there's few,
Speaker 1: like even from Incredible, I walked away with deep connections.
Speaker 1: But the people that I were even closer to I
Speaker 1: didn't walk away with that deep connection from them, and
Speaker 1: you're like, wait, I saw you every day, like you know,
Speaker 1: But I mean there's a like a secret respect. I
Speaker 1: guess you'd say, like, you know, an honorary respect. But
Speaker 1: even Nick Nick can't get your ass on our show
Speaker 1: but likes on the show. But like the truth in
Speaker 1: the matter is is like it's that honorary respect. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you'll see the call, maybe you'll respond, but it's like
Speaker 1: if I'm not hot or we're not doing something together,
Speaker 1: there's no home ownership, then you know, maybe we'll pass
Speaker 1: to whatever is more convenient. But I definitely hate that
Speaker 1: about Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they only hired the green like people who don't
Speaker 3: know that they're being took.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I liked what Orlando had said. He was like,
Speaker 1: you guys to look at Hollywood like a job. You're
Speaker 1: there to do your job, and when there's no job,
Speaker 1: you can't go to work.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 1: And that's how he said it. And I think that
Speaker 1: that was the best way to deal with it. But
Speaker 1: I think people coming into the game don't quite get that.
Speaker 3: They don't get it. And here's another thing. They don't
Speaker 3: get like they you're emulating. You're not. That's none of
Speaker 3: the stuff that they do is original. On TikTok, you
Speaker 3: can have you can put up a video and with
Speaker 3: your voice, and I could use your voice on my video,
Speaker 3: So that means you don't even have to use your
Speaker 3: own voice. I could get more hits than you. So
Speaker 3: that's crazy, Like that's absurd, Like I don't even and
Speaker 3: then they don't even know where they got the material from.
Speaker 3: They just doing it.
Speaker 1: I get a publicity request all the time for eating
Speaker 1: wone Broke and the email will say this person has
Speaker 1: fifteen million TikTok followers and there's a bet to release
Speaker 1: to EP And I'm like, wait, but it's TikTok where
Speaker 1: people are infamously like just voiceovers.
Speaker 3: Right, come on, not famous.
Speaker 1: Man, But you know, eyeballs equal dollars or what have you.
Speaker 1: But I definitely think that the industry has become diluted.
Speaker 1: But you're back in the game. Yes, So now that
Speaker 1: you're back, I want to know what made you come back,
Speaker 1: and I want to know what you got coming up.
Speaker 3: Well, I came back because I was going crazy trying
Speaker 3: to be normal.
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I couldn't.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be a normal guy. And the more
Speaker 3: I was getting into it, oh man, that's not the
Speaker 3: life for me.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's because Hollywood kind of got you
Speaker 1: in the habit and this is the devil's advocate of
Speaker 1: chasing the high?
Speaker 3: I am definitely I was chasing the high.
Speaker 1: Because that many highs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wasn't. I didn't even know I was
Speaker 3: chasing it, and I was chasing it. So it's crazy
Speaker 3: because I'm still like famous. And by the way, guys,
Speaker 3: famous ain't shit. If being famous is nothing, they're either
Speaker 3: gonna give you money or they're gonna give you fame.
Speaker 3: If they give you money that comes with a job,
Speaker 3: that fame, then that's just the famous gonna wear off
Speaker 3: before you spend your money.
Speaker 1: And it doesn't even equal money.
Speaker 3: Fame doesn't e never, and it's never both of those.
Speaker 3: Like in today's age is a little bit more than
Speaker 3: in the beginning of the two thousands. Like Kevin Hard
Speaker 3: is definitely rich, your famous, Nick Cannon is famous. Uh,
Speaker 3: day Spell is rich and famous? Uh who else?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this though, I feel like there
Speaker 1: is a boyd this is probably gonna get me, But
Speaker 1: I do feel like even with the people you named,
Speaker 1: there was definitely a lot of white.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all white.
Speaker 1: And that kind of what kind of led me to
Speaker 1: my theory about Nick a little bit, was like, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of power plays behind those big people. Granted
Speaker 1: Nick definitely plays chess not checkers, that that dude he
Speaker 1: could teach a master course of how to move in
Speaker 1: a room full of vultures.
Speaker 3: I think, like jay Z, you know, but but he
Speaker 3: became a vulture. That's that's what Nick is now, he's
Speaker 3: the vulture. I don't know, I mean in a good way.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying nothing bad my brother, but I'm saying
Speaker 3: he's adapted to the sharks. Well, yeah, I turned a shark. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of think maybe he was always a shark.
Speaker 3: He was always a shark. He was sark.
Speaker 1: I would say this. I'll say this. One thing I
Speaker 1: learned about Nick, and I try to tell people, is
Speaker 1: like Nick's watching you before you even though he's looking
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know, he'll read you, but you'll think
Speaker 1: he didn't even see you in the corner of the room.
Speaker 3: He saw hours ago everything and.
Speaker 1: He's listening to everything. And that's one thing. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, and I think it's dangerous in this industry.
Speaker 1: As ego, I always tell people, Man, you got beef,
Speaker 1: don't put it on no email seeing people, don't put
Speaker 1: in a group of text, don't even tell nobody. Just
Speaker 1: go direct to source, because that's it.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be all over the place, it's gonna be
Speaker 3: out of proportion. But listen back to the internet comedians.
Speaker 3: You know, I feel like the reason why I don't
Speaker 3: like them is because they took a lot of my
Speaker 3: confidence and a lot of not my confidence, but my
Speaker 3: structure in my blueprint to comedy like I was. I
Speaker 3: did comedy like fearless. There's only a few people like me.
Speaker 3: I would say, I got some of it from T. K.
Speaker 3: Kirklin and you know, but in my own version of it.
Speaker 3: And then I would say something like Corey Holcomb is
Speaker 3: kind of ballsy like that in a sense, but but
Speaker 3: he went further because I.
Speaker 1: Wasn't there anymore.
Speaker 3: Nobody was there anymore. So it was nobody calling people out.
Speaker 3: It was nobody being real, and that's what it is now.
Speaker 3: They took that. I feel like I'm like Lil Wayne
Speaker 3: like because like all the comedians now are like my sons.
Speaker 3: They took all stuff from me and they don't even
Speaker 3: know who their daddy is. They don't even care who
Speaker 3: they did.
Speaker 1: You're hilarious. I think in some retrospects they know, and
Speaker 1: maybe that's where their way of, you know, pay.
Speaker 3: To me. I go back to what we said earlier,
Speaker 3: like you know, it's like they don't give you no
Speaker 3: props to you dead, Like nobody's ever gonna say this,
Speaker 3: Like I'm gonna sound crazy when they when you show this,
Speaker 3: they can be like, oh, he's so arrogating all that.
Speaker 3: But watch when I die, they're gonna say, who started
Speaker 3: Wilie nowt he's the one who's Yeah, come on, man,
Speaker 3: give me my flowers now man especial flowers.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about what you got coming up? Okay, the Comeback.
Speaker 3: Kid, The Comeback Kid. I got a movie called Back
Speaker 3: on the Strip that comes out August eighteen. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to remember everybody. It has Wesley Snipes, Tiffany Hattish, Bill Bellamley,
Speaker 3: who's one of my favorite guys, uh, Kevin Hart, Gary Owens,
Speaker 3: faise I love.
Speaker 1: These are a lot of heavy.
Speaker 3: Hitters, Yeah, I said, Tiffany. Uh, and the guy ain't
Speaker 3: gonna kill me. His name is Spencer Moore, but Spencer
Speaker 3: Moore played the kid in Creed three, so when the
Speaker 3: kid went to jail, it was the guy who went
Speaker 3: to jail. He's like the star of it. So and
Speaker 3: it's directed by Chris Spencer.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, Christ, I'm trying to get Chris Spencer on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 3: I'll help you.
Speaker 1: And then are you doing are you doing the I
Speaker 1: know Chris Spencer has that show up in Englewood. What's
Speaker 1: it called? Are you doing those shows anymore?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, the back Yeah, I haven't done it yet.
Speaker 1: But so how did you end up getting like from
Speaker 1: being in retirement? Did you get a phone call?
Speaker 2: Like a man?
Speaker 1: We put that jersey back on? We need?
Speaker 3: I was, uh, this is crazy. So me and my
Speaker 3: family we went and by the way, I love my family.
Speaker 3: Hello family. My wife. I got a daughter named Jedi,
Speaker 3: daughter named Lily, and a son named Kobe. So we
Speaker 3: Kobe wasn't born yet. Man, So I was deciding to
Speaker 3: move back to Detroit because I wanted to move back
Speaker 3: and see my mom and stuff. Right, So it wasn't
Speaker 3: really going as well as I wanted it to go.
Speaker 3: So I didn't know what I was gonna do. I
Speaker 3: was like in the Airbnb and Chris just caused me
Speaker 3: out the book, see what you're doing? Where are you
Speaker 3: at right now? Detroit Ton to Vegas? I was like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean coming Vegas? He was like, I
Speaker 3: got a movie roll for you. Like what, Like, come
Speaker 3: on man, good plan? He was like, no, I'm serious.
Speaker 3: He was like, the only thing, you got to get
Speaker 3: tested and make sure you don't got COVID before you
Speaker 3: can get on the plane. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I could do that, and they played they paid for
Speaker 3: my plane, and I paid for my wife and daughter's
Speaker 3: plane and now we're back on the West coast. Wow,
Speaker 3: that's crazy. And I was like a year.
Speaker 1: Ago, Yeah, now you're back.
Speaker 3: I'm back now. And I got other movies coming out
Speaker 3: on to B and stuff like that. But you know,
Speaker 3: I don't count to be uh to be actors, you
Speaker 3: are not a real.
Speaker 1: Don't say that.
Speaker 3: If you don't get checks from SAG, you're not real.
Speaker 1: Wait to be UH doesn't get checks from.
Speaker 3: No, that's like bootleg shot. I mean nothing against them
Speaker 3: because I've done some Tooby.
Speaker 1: Movies, but but does to be paid decent.
Speaker 3: Toby is kind of like a gig, like like a contractor.
Speaker 3: You get as much money as you negotia and it's
Speaker 3: right there. You get it right now. No, it's not
Speaker 3: not sacked.
Speaker 1: Okay, non union on behalf of everybody. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you your flowers here. I really appreciate you coming out
Speaker 1: and trust me, I was look, I was so like excited.
Speaker 1: I was like, Spanky, I'm gonna remind you, and I did.
Speaker 1: Good morning, Spanky. Don't forget. I'll see you today. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see it in a couple of days.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't forget. I cannot forget this. I'm shooting a
Speaker 3: Netflix special September eleven.
Speaker 1: Right, that's the biggest news of it all.
Speaker 3: So you know it's gonna be the bomb.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, September eleventh. You haven't
Speaker 1: shot it yet at.
Speaker 3: The comedy store on Sunset.
Speaker 1: That's home turf, So get the freak out. So now
Speaker 1: that you're damn you came back swinging.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I freaking now. Guys. Now I'm in debate. Should we
Speaker 1: be dropping this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Definitely eighteen Yeah, okay, we go, we go, we go
Speaker 1: with you. But damn, that's great news. Oh ship high five,
Speaker 1: happy for you.
Speaker 3: Know how long it took for us to get here, man,
Speaker 3: you know the struggles and still smiling.
Speaker 1: That's how did you pull the Netflix? Did they call you?
Speaker 3: This is another crazy story. So I go in and
Speaker 3: I go in the comedy store. I see Kanye. You know,
Speaker 3: Kanye has been down with us a long time.
Speaker 1: Kanye West, that's what I thought you said. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like a million times in the beginning.
Speaker 1: You nick and not me. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: You know, Kanye, that's my man. So I seen Kanye
Speaker 3: walking in and I'm like, oh, Shay, what's up. And
Speaker 3: we start talking and I'm like, what's going on? And
Speaker 3: then I see Dave and then he walks away. He
Speaker 3: was like, oh you next, and I'm like huh and
Speaker 3: then he like walks out and all this ship is
Speaker 3: happening in one time. And then next thing you know,
Speaker 3: I'm on stage like tearing the ass up and.
Speaker 1: At the comedy store.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I got the only I got another Standovation.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. But I was the only one of that
Speaker 3: night to get Atnovation, and I was like the last.
Speaker 3: I think only two more people went after. So I
Speaker 3: was like way at the end of the night. So
Speaker 3: it was like, yeah, you're it so.
Speaker 1: So, but where was how was Netflix? How did the Netflix?
Speaker 3: Well, it was a Netflix showcase.
Speaker 1: It was a Netflix showcase.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Dave Chappelle had is doing like a Dave
Speaker 3: Sappelle present.
Speaker 1: Oh, it was like, how he did? I think he
Speaker 1: did that with Earthquake.
Speaker 3: Right right, But I think it's kind of more. I
Speaker 3: think it's like more like death jam what he's doing.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, oh yeah, let's get it.
Speaker 1: And Kanye was there.
Speaker 3: And Kanye was right there and he was We took
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of pictures and I got viral real fast.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, you know it's crazy. I think this time
Speaker 1: around you you feel, well, obviously you've matured in your experience.
Speaker 1: You've definitely taken it in and let it sit within you.
Speaker 1: I feel like the second time around is going to
Speaker 1: be a truly beautiful experience.
Speaker 3: Man, me too. But I'm gonna tell you why. It's
Speaker 3: because I already did it for me. So it's like
Speaker 3: I already have my fun. Yeah, so I have to
Speaker 3: feed my children that I see every day, my beautiful
Speaker 3: girls and my son and my wife, Like I'm doing
Speaker 3: it for them. So the world is in trouble because
Speaker 3: now I don't have to worry about what people think
Speaker 3: about me, and I don't care about that no more.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get these checks.
Speaker 1: So are you at all nervous about like the temptations
Speaker 1: or anything, or what's your plan, because I feel like
Speaker 1: the temptations can be there, like you have a plan
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 3: I'm so like in love with my family.
Speaker 1: That I feel every time you say that, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, I would probably just try to
Speaker 3: talk my wife into doing it with with me.
Speaker 1: You're hilarious, I mean, but you know I wouldn't do
Speaker 1: it bout myself though. Yeah, but no, I feel like
Speaker 1: every time I talk to you, the way you talk
Speaker 1: about your wife and your family, like I hear it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they saved me. They saved me because like even
Speaker 3: in California, working in Hollywood, I only could find a
Speaker 3: baby mama, that's it. And as soon as I went
Speaker 3: away from Hollywood, I found my wife.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, and he was met her in Vegas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I met in Vegas of all places.
Speaker 1: Shout outs to your wife, Yeah what's up? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Shae Hayes, Well thank you so much for fixing me
Speaker 1: the broke.
Speaker 3: Okay, for real, I did.
Speaker 1: But this is the thing. Okay, I could eat this
Speaker 1: whole thing, right, but when I'm interviewing you, it'd be
Speaker 1: like follow fast. There's no way, especially with this amount
Speaker 1: of serving. But did I like it? Yes? Will my
Speaker 1: daughter be eating it? I will personally take a picture
Speaker 1: and say, look at my daughter because yeah, probably be
Speaker 1: tomorrow's day, I promise you, because sometimes I'm so desperate
Speaker 1: for like what am I going to make it?
Speaker 3: I'm telling and it's so simple, a little bit of salt.
Speaker 1: I may the only thing I may do is maybe
Speaker 1: boil some broccoli and put it in there. Okay, I
Speaker 1: ground that, you know, I can surround it out.
Speaker 3: I can see that.
Speaker 1: But overall, as far as fast on the run, less
Speaker 1: than twenty minute mom meal. Shit, if you're trying to
Speaker 1: throw your kid out the door, this.
Speaker 3: Is gonna hit and they're gonna be full too.
Speaker 1: Yes, how can people keep up with you?
Speaker 3: I prefer that they don't, But come on you back, okay?
Speaker 3: Well official Spinky Hayes is my Instagram and Carlos Hayes
Speaker 3: is my Facebook.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah cool, and I'll be checking in and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be giving you as many roses possible. I definitely
Speaker 1: want to come out and support any opportunity.
Speaker 3: Man, please do it, and I would love to come
Speaker 3: back to this show anytime. Man. Shout out to Charlemagne,
Speaker 3: to God. I just want to thank you Charlemagne for
Speaker 3: making me dunky other day. Two times. You know what
Speaker 3: I mean? I got two times? Thank you, Charlemagne.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hey, you know what, whether it's bad press
Speaker 1: or good press, it's still press.
Speaker 3: I just called it the Bobby Brown. Bobby Brown. They
Speaker 3: talked about him bad and good. It didn't matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter as long as they talking about you exactly.
Speaker 1: But you're back. I'm back and we're excited to give
Speaker 1: you roses now.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening. Peace out, Peace for more
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