1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: And we're back with part two. Welcome back to those amigos. 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: I am Wilmer Bodrama. I'm Freddy Rodriguez and uh Freddy, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: we've been talking about leadership, putting teams together. 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, let's get into it. 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: New middle dose transparency. I think it's number one, y right, Like, 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: there's no secrets here. If we're in the telling story business, 7 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, like we we need to be very much 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: on the same page at all times. If you disagree 9 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: with something, it's so important that you do it with kindness, 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: that you do it with with the serenity of welcoming 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: new ideas, and that if you're going to oppose a question, 12 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: that you should always come with an answer, right, because 13 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: that's still the thing that like, you know, one thing 14 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: is be a complainer and saying like, hey, you know 15 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:58,959 Speaker 1: it's not good enough or it's not this, or it's 16 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: not getting there, and the other one is not following 17 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: those comments with a roadmap to get it to a 18 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: better place. If you really do have an opinion that 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: something is not working, you know, then what is your 20 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: thoughts on making it work? Right? So, so like that's 21 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: that's where I feel like number one when it comes 22 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: to leadership, it's important to be transparent with your teams, 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: but it's also even more important to listen to to 24 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: the team's uh, you know, thoughts and struggles with with 25 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 1: such create creative endeavors, right, Like you know, you don't 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: have to have all the answers right. And somebody said, 27 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: it's like the best leaders of the ones who don't micromanage. 28 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 3: Right. 29 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: The best visionaries are the ones who you know, think 30 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: of a dream, right, they visualize it, and then they 31 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: divorce that dream and allow the team to own that 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: and then have that team bring that dream to life 33 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: and sore in other ways that you didn't even expect 34 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: for that same idea to do. 35 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: Is that why you. 36 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: Feel that your company has grown as much as it 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: has and has seen the success that it's seen. 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: Is it? 39 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: Do you feel that that type of leadership skill has 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: contributed to that aspect? 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: I think I trust and so therefore they trust me, right. 42 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: I trust my team to do what they're there to do, right, 43 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,519 Speaker 1: you know, and when there's things that could have been 44 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: a lot more efficient, or could have been a lot 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: more you know, thoughtful, or things like that, they're very 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: soft quick discussions. We don't have to. Nobody has to 47 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, like they got it wrong. Everybody 48 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: could feel like, great, we try that, let's try this 49 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: other way, right, So. 50 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: Transparency, I think it is because they're human. 51 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: They're human and about the way, we're going to make 52 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: mistakes and people are gonna so I think I think 53 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me is to trust the people 54 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: you have in your team to do what they're there 55 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: to do, you know, because otherwise you just do everyone's job, right, Like, 56 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: the leader is not there to do everyone's job. The 57 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: leader is there to facilitate, to delegate with kindness, and 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: to create an environment where they feel safe voicing the 59 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: good and the bad ideas. 60 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 2: Although it may not be intentional. 61 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 3: Do you find and I asked this because I've known 62 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 3: you so long, right, and do you find that not 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 3: that you you try to do everybody else's job, but 64 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: you're so you're so I've seen you be so incredibly 65 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: focused and on your hustle. Do you find that you 66 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 3: have to sometimes go I got I gotta step back, 67 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 3: I gotta not I gotta not do that, I gotta 68 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 3: not make that call, I gotta not pick those cables. Dude, 69 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: I've seen you I've seen you wear like five different 70 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: hats at one time. 71 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 2: Man, I'm like, geez, man, this guy is gonna. 72 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Well look, I think we all have to be able 73 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: to wear those hats to eventually not look at that. 74 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 2: Smile, man, look at that smile. 75 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm speaking the truth here, you know. 76 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Yeah, and I don't disagree. I think 77 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: that when you are a creative person and you have 78 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: the ability to see beyond the idea, when I come 79 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: up with an idea myself, right, I'm already at like, 80 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: how is this sitting on the shelves? There's like probably 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: thirty five steps before the shelf, same, right, but I'm 82 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 1: already thinking about what the poster looks like before there's 83 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: even a script, right. And that's that's both a gift 84 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: and really occurs because there's a lot of steps in 85 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: between to get it there. But for all those things 86 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: to get you to that shelf of that poster idea, 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: there is a team who does that better than you. Yeah, 88 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, and so therefore, but you do have to 89 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: have eyes on the process, especially when it's something as 90 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: specific as like a major ip or something like there's 91 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: certain things you can just stray away from and you 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: know you're there to steer the ship. 93 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but a. 94 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 3: Team is getting it somewhere right, because what you're thinking 95 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: of is the end go right. You're at point A 96 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: and you already see Z. And your job as a 97 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 3: company owner, as a CEO, is to guide that process 98 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: from A to Z. 99 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: Correct correct. Yeah. And and by the way, that's the 100 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: other thing you do this long enough with individuals, I 101 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: mean someone like Leo. Leo, how long you've been working 102 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: We've been working together. So Leo and I have been 103 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: working together for fourteen years. For fourteen years, he's understood, 104 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, the you know, the essence the DNA and 105 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: the mission statement of the company, and he's owned it himself. 106 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: And now it's his vision now the podcast division which 107 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,479 Speaker 1: he is the head of, and how he manages his 108 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: relationship with our partners, our iHeartMedia. You know, it comes 109 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: from his vision or where he feels this company should 110 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: go next as a podcast division. And what I can 111 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: do is I can support him. I can, you know, 112 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: I can. I can support his ideas. I can give 113 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: him real feedback, right, but at some point I have 114 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: to now trust his ideas of how these things you 115 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: run so most often times or not because we have 116 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: such a shorthand at this point, he'll come and I 117 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: will ask him what do you think we should do 118 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: about that? And he's like, I think we could go here, here, 119 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: and here, and I go, okay, go. I don't have 120 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: to have an opinion about that, because I know that 121 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: he's probably mad every possible scenario before we make that decision. 122 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 2: Are you Are you out of point that? 123 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: Although although let's just say something that Leo brings to you, right, 124 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 3: and although you're at point A and you kind of 125 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: see Z, but Leo has a different opinion as to 126 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: how to get to Z. Are you at a point 127 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:22,119 Speaker 3: where you override your own instinct and allow him to 128 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: reach Z? 129 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: Or yes and no? Yes or no? Because if we 130 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: both see it a little differently, before I even disagree, 131 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: I would create space for him to tell me what's 132 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: the outcome, how does it end, you know, and what 133 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: is it about? Because there may be things in the 134 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: initial conversation that I didn't pick up on that I 135 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: needed in order to say, oh, yeah, it's good. Right, 136 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: So that's like one aspect of it. But if it 137 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: is in fact a differential of you know of directions. 138 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: It doesn't come in the form of critique or disagreement. 139 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: It comes in the form of questions. 140 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 3: Right. 141 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: Right, So you asked the question, right, what do you 142 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: think the audience is for this? 143 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: Right? 144 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: Or you know, what would an episode be? 145 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 3: Like? 146 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: What's the structure of an episode? 147 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 3: Right? 148 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: And the other one is like, what's the theme of 149 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: the season? You know, if you have to create a 150 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: theme for the season, what's that theme? 151 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 152 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: What are the guests like? 153 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: Right? 154 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: When you ask all these questions about a show and 155 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 1: somebody has an answer for. 156 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 2: Those, yeah, you have to trust them. 157 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, And wouldn't you say there's also an aspect of 158 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: humility on both sides, right, because you have to have 159 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: the humility enough to go although like, and I'm speaking 160 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: for you now, Leo, I would imagine on Leo's end 161 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 3: to have the humility enough that if you're asking him 162 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 3: a million questions for him not to. 163 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 2: Let his ego or go go, why is he asking 164 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: me questions? 165 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 1: I've been so incredibly blessed everyone that has worked and 166 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: works at WV, you know, and has owned their own 167 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 1: perspective departments, because the company now has multiple departments and 168 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: they're running on their own, right, like the podcast division, right, 169 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 1: the podcast division, the alternative division, right, you know, the 170 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: scripted division, right, the film division. 171 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 3: Right. 172 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: Then then you have you know, the product development side. 173 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: But then you also have h you know, the management 174 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: company and and and then the nonprofit stuff. 175 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: Right. 176 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that, like in order for all 177 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: of that to run, there has to be a level 178 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: of trust. You know, that that comes with time, you know. 179 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: And I and I would say this, like the number 180 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: one the number one skill that anyone, no matter what 181 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: career or what job they're going for, to have is foresight. 182 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 3: Mm hm. 183 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: You have to see it before it happens. You have 184 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: to have an answer before the question happens. Right, And 185 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: that's one thing everyone in this company does beautifully, right. 186 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: You know, they know what questions I'm going to ask 187 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: at some point already, you know, so they checkmate me 188 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: in ways that like I don't even see coming in. 189 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 3: So there's there's ah that's interesting because they've worked with 190 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 3: you for so long they have a sense of what 191 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: you might come. 192 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: But it's in the culture, right, It's in the culture. 193 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: And in that trust also kind of evolves into you know, 194 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: into a mutual respect so it's foresight and respect. You 195 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: gotta you know, you gotta put on your silk gloves 196 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: when you are handling storytelling because not one size fits all. 197 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: And that's okay, right, as long as you're telling the 198 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: same story together. How you get to the last page 199 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: that says the end? You know that that is the 200 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: adventurous exercise that you go with your creative partners, right, 201 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: like you know, but but the two days like yes 202 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: and right, and then over time you learn that you 203 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: what you respect about these individuals goes beyond their creativity, 204 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: their organizational skills, their their their sense of foresight, you 205 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: know it. You start realizing that it takes a very 206 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: balance and beautiful individual to to you know, to do 207 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: a job like this, love it and the highs and 208 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: the lows, and you're not not only respecting it to 209 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: become really good friends, you know. But I think in 210 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: that process you learn to appreciate the friendship and you know, 211 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: you spend so much time together that eventually you go, oh, well, 212 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: you know this is you know, we're going to experience 213 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: life together too, yeah, you know, and that and that 214 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: life happens, and you know, I've leaned on Leo and 215 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: Jessica and you know Todao and I mean everybody in 216 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: my life. Dude, that's just worked on me for a 217 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: very long time. But you know, but that could be tricky, right. 218 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, And that brings up a great point, Wilmer, which 219 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 5: I want to ask you about. When you work so 220 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 5: closely with people and you develop a relationship over what 221 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 5: over a decade, right right, you become friends. And I 222 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 5: wanted to see and want to ask you all on 223 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 5: the on the flip side of that, would you ever 224 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 5: hire your friends from back home or friends that you 225 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 5: grew up with to be a part of your team 226 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: because you have the first part of that relationship, right 227 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 5: of the closeness and familiarity, but maybe not the professional 228 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 5: side of that. So would you because you look at 229 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 5: examples like Lebron. You know, Lebron James hired you know, 230 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 5: his friends from back home, Rich Paul and Maverick Carter 231 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 5: and they're doing big things right now. And so I 232 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 5: had that question for you both. Would you ever be 233 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 5: open to working with and building a team that consists 234 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 5: of close friends from the get go? 235 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: That's a that's a tough one. That's a tough one. 236 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 3: I think I would imagine. Look, I don't I don't 237 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: know what was behind Lebron's decision making, but I would 238 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 3: imagine that he must have seen something in them that said, well, 239 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: these are not just like my buddies who I hang 240 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 3: out with and mess around with. 241 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: Right, there must have been they must. 242 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 3: Have had the aptitude the skill level to achieve the 243 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: heights that they that they achieved. Right. They were probably 244 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 3: not in Corporate America's eyes like the first choice maybe, 245 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 3: but he saw something in them that they could that 246 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: they could get there, and it took someone like Lebron 247 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,559 Speaker 3: to give them that chance to do it right. So, 248 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 3: So to answer that question, would I, I mean, yeah, 249 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 3: if I saw those qualities in someone, whether they're my friend, 250 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 3: whether they're my kids, whether they're whoever it is, but 251 00:13:56,760 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 3: I need to see specific qualities in the specific goals 252 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: and motivation and other and other aspects in them for 253 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: me to go I'm gonna take this chance on you, 254 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 3: because there's always that possibility that they don't they don't 255 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 3: meet your expectations, right, And if they don't meet your expectations, 256 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: then what then? It affects your relationship, it affects your friendship, 257 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 3: or even if you're hiring family, right, how does that 258 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 3: affect It's tricky, It's really tricky. 259 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: It's very tricky. And I think that that's the that's 260 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: the right answer. I think that's the best answer. My 261 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: biggest concern is if you're trying to achieve something, you 262 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: have to give yourself the best shot, you know. And 263 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's this fantasy of like I'm bringing you know, 264 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm bringing the crew with me, you know, And I 265 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: tried it. I tried it the first ten to fifteen 266 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: years of my career. 267 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: I tried. But you were you were like a freaking teenager. 268 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: Exactly why exactly why you were? 269 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: You were on the biggest show on the planet and 270 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: you were and it was popular, and I mean I 271 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 3: could imagine you must have been. 272 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: Like I hired some of my friends as my assistance, 273 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: and uh, what's the craziest thing that ever happened when 274 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: one of your friends, well you don't have to name 275 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: the person. 276 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: No, So. 277 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: No, all of them I think are stable and doing 278 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: their own thing now. But I will say, you know, 279 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: it said, you know form like you know, these assistants 280 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: giving you, you know, Christmas and birthday presents and use 281 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: your own credit card. 282 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait your assistant gave 283 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 4: you a birthday Christmas present, but use your credit card 284 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 4: pay for it by yes, okay. 285 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: So I bought my own Christmas presents from my assistant, 286 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: you know. So like I got this really nice dress 287 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: shirts with my initials on it, and I was like, 288 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: this is really thoughtful. I love that. WUV either, I mean, 289 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: w e V. That's awesome, you know, and these are 290 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: really cool shirts. And at the time, I was wearing 291 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: suits all the time. I was like, yeah, this is 292 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: this is really thoughtful. I like that, you know. And 293 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: then the statements came, and all of a sudden, I 294 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: was like, where where are these shirts from? Like I 295 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: didn't buy this dress shirt? 296 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 3: Was there ever a moment in between that where you 297 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: were like, I know what your salary is, Yeah, how 298 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 3: are you affording this shirt on an assistant salary? 299 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? No, I mean like the other instances, like, you know, 300 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: I'd be away shooting a movie or something, and I 301 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: had my Austin Martin and the you know, my brand 302 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: new dB nin and Austin Martin in the in the 303 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: garage and I came home, yeah, like maybe two months 304 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: later or something. And then I looked in the garage 305 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: and there was a dent in the front of the garage, 306 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 1: and there was only one car that would fit that description, 307 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: and it was the US Tomorrow that was Parker. 308 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 2: Crossed from that dead no Man. 309 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 1: And I found out they never told me that they 310 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: move the US Tomorrow or they was taken out or 311 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 1: whatever the hell they drove your car away into the 312 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: no but that they were driving your car. I mean, look, 313 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: I I'm gonna I'm gonna not rehash that memory and 314 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: try to be shared like homes over here and try 315 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: to find out if they actually went on joy rides. 316 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna assume not. Maybe they were moving the car 317 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,159 Speaker 1: by accident they hit it against the thing, but it 318 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: was like a major dan to in the garage from 319 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: and didn't say anything, and then nobody said anything about it. 320 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, nothing happened to the cars, So I 321 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: think we're good, you know. So it's like stuff like that. 322 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 3: You're like, come on, man, But then you have people 323 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 3: like like Todaw, who I see you still in your 324 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 3: enterve my life forever and as far as I've known you, 325 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 3: Todaw has always been there. 326 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: Yes, Todaw, just to describe Todaw for everybody who's listening 327 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: or watching, Todao is a beautiful uh samoan of culture 328 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: man who has been my brother us. He has stood 329 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: by my side. It was my protector, you know. He 330 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: was my security for you twenty plus years. He has 331 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: his own product, he has his own security company now 332 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 1: where he deployed. 333 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: You know. 334 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: So he's doing really really good, and I'm incredibly proud 335 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: of him. He's got a beautiful family with Nicole and baby. 336 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: But but yeah, but Todaw was one of those guys 337 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:43,439 Speaker 1: who tolerated very zero I mean like zero shenanigans around 338 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: my life. You know, if you were out here for 339 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: reasons that were not like minded, you were you were 340 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: not allowed to be around. And he really protected me 341 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: in so many ways. So in that aspect, you know, 342 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,480 Speaker 1: we we were on the road all the time. You know, 343 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: you talk about ego zero go. If something had to 344 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: be done, he would just be the first one to 345 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,640 Speaker 1: show up. He never I never had to ask him 346 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: for a favor because he was already seeing it before 347 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: it happened, you know, and. 348 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 3: So not taking advantage of your kindness. No, he always 349 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: a sense of respect. 350 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: He was the way. 351 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: He showed up for absolutely everything, all of it. 352 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, like like because he could, 353 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 3: Like you know, sometimes you hire people and they get 354 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 3: really comfortable because they know you're cool, and then the 355 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 3: respect you. 356 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: Don't know, I like, I don't know how to ask 357 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 1: for help. I'll just be very open here. I don't 358 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: know how to ask for help, right and and therefore 359 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 1: having real foresight is something I reward in our company 360 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: because I sometimes would just do it myself right, Like 361 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a tough thing. I mean, it's just 362 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: always you know, I'd rather show up for people. I 363 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: never asked anyone to show up for me, and I've 364 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: had to learn over the years to kind of really 365 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: lean on the people that I know soulfully really want 366 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: to be there, you know, and that he brings them 367 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: joy to show up for me. Yeah, you know, like 368 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: silly things like uh you know, like a like a 369 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: birthday party for Nicano like these are you know, my 370 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: friends are the heads of the departments WV Entertainment, and 371 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: and they're showing up and blowing up balloons and like 372 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: you know, talking to the princess to go through the 373 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: back to surprise or or bring in the cake, and 374 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: it's like it's like a real friendship, you know, where. 375 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: They could have been like, that's not my job. 376 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Yeah, so I don't do that, you know, 377 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: but as soon as they're gonna be and it's because 378 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: I also don't. I don't go around to celebrate myself 379 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,400 Speaker 1: often or you know that, it just doesn't happen. But 380 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: as soon as they forced me to do it, and 381 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: I love it, you know what I mean, then I'm like, 382 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm all about it, right, But they just they really 383 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: support me, and uh so, you know, so it's a 384 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: pleasure to show up for for them. You know, what 385 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: about you? Do you do you have a pressure? Like 386 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: do you do you know how to ask for help? 387 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: Do you know how to make that phone call? 388 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 3: And that's a really good question. I think that because 389 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 3: of how we grew up, it's tough. 390 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: As do it yourself. 391 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, yeah, I'm a very much do it myself, 392 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: wear all five hats type of personal and and sometimes 393 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 3: that's tough because there are I have a wonderful team 394 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: behind me that I should be delegating them more of 395 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 3: that too, that I often find myself fighting the urge to. 396 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: To do it. 397 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: Not not to say that I want to do anybody's 398 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: job by by no means, but it's just it's like 399 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 3: what you said at the beginning of this conversation, right 400 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: like you're at point A. 401 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: You already see z. 402 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 3: And I and I want and I want to put 403 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 3: it in fifth gear to go to z uh. And 404 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 3: people have their own pace, people have their own strategies 405 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 3: as to how they reach z uh and and sometimes 406 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 3: I have to just sort of sit back and allow 407 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: people their process to help me reach c you know. 408 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 3: But I have a wonderful team behind me. As a 409 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: matter of fact, I think you and I share uh. 410 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: Woman and I have both been at this agency called 411 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: UTA United Talent Agency for god knows. 412 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 2: How long, a long long time. 413 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: We've been lifers. 414 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:14,880 Speaker 2: Lifers. 415 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 3: Man. 416 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: I go there and I'm like, I'm like office furniture here. 417 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 2: I've been heres. 418 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: And we also share some of the same agents too. 419 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: That's right. Shout out to Nancy Gate. 420 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Gate. She's another one of my guardian angels, you know. 421 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: And she's protected protected me and and guided me and 422 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: advised me. And she's been my big sister for a 423 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: long time. 424 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: She's she's something a lot of love for a lot 425 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: of respect for Nancy. She kicks. 426 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: But but so it's hard to ask for help, right, 427 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: And therefore, when you put together a team, you have 428 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: to have individuals whose humility is is part of the 429 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 1: virtual how they run their life, you know, having a 430 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: sense of foresight and in creating a past. Think that 431 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: assists is the common goal? 432 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 3: Right? 433 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: Like that? That that feels like it feels like a 434 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: lot of virtuals, you know. 435 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 3: You ever you ever had to let somebody go as 436 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 3: part of your team because they didn't possess the same 437 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: qualities that you see in yourself as a CEO or 438 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 3: that you felt And here's the let me preface it 439 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: before you ask it. Sometimes I feel like someone's revenue. Right, 440 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 3: they're out on the town, and they're a representation of you, right, 441 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 3: and so they're if they're what's the correct terminology here? 442 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 3: I don't want to say value system because I don't 443 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 3: want to sound like a for sure, you know, but 444 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 3: like I mean, I would say, if they don't emulate 445 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 3: what you represent as a person, do you ever find 446 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 3: that to be a problem? 447 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 2: Do you ever? 448 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: Do you ever? Well? 449 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 1: Look, here's the thing, Uh, when you ever had a company. 450 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: For this loan, we're going in almost two decades of 451 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 1: a company, right. You know, individuals are going to grow 452 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: and some some are going to find different paths and 453 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,239 Speaker 1: some are going to find different passions, you know, and 454 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: that really always happens, you know, it's you some some 455 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 1: people also say I want to trust something different, you know. 456 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 1: So for those moments, you're kind of like, you know 457 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 1: absolutely and you always kind of know, you know, when 458 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,480 Speaker 1: someone's either in it or not, you know, and for 459 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: those moments, you have to just create a space for 460 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: that to to you know, to be voiced and and 461 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, and then there's also other times where you 462 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: have to kind of find a way to to say okay, 463 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,679 Speaker 1: like these are tough goals, you know, but it's just 464 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: it's a business, right and everyone has to you know, 465 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: kind of show up and do their best, you know, 466 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: And and it's it's a very tough cut through environment. 467 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: And you know, funding for companies also are very hard 468 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: to find too, you know. So there's all the factors 469 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: that come into that. But the truth is, you know, 470 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: when I look at you know, the you know, the 471 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: individuals and the amazing people that have come through our company. 472 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: You know, through all the last twenty years, whether they're 473 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: executives or assistants, you know, they always go off to 474 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: do amazing stuff, you know, and and and there's always 475 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: a way for them to full circle come around. You know, 476 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: We've had multiple executives or assistants that come full circle 477 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: and they're now a producer, they're now a director, or 478 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: they're now whatever, and they're like, hey, I have an idea. 479 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 1: We're like, bring it in, you know. So we've always 480 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: had an open door policy too, you know, for those 481 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: to return and continue to cultivate the relationship. But you know, 482 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: we've been pretty fortunate that, you know, so you can see, know, 483 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 1: rarely nobody, nobody leaves nobody, you know. 484 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, yeah, I always tell people like, you know, 485 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: you know, assistants at agencies or management companies or wherever. 486 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 3: They're like like, they're not there to be like an 487 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 3: assistant their whole life, man, right, you know, They're there 488 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 3: to like eventually become an executive themselves and the total 489 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 3: So treat them right, right, Yeah, Now, this has been 490 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 3: a really interesting conversation, and I think that it applies 491 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 3: to everyone. Right. It doesn't matter if you're in our 492 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: industry or whatever industry you're in, your support system is 493 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: incredibly important. Whether it's the people who work with you, 494 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 3: whether it's your parents, your siblings, your friends. Your support 495 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 3: system sometimes dictates the direction and your career and in 496 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 3: your life. And sometimes people persevere past them not having that. 497 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 3: But the majority of the time, it's always good to 498 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 3: have a good inner circle. 499 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: I mean when you say I do, and to double 500 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: down on that, I think is even more critical to remember, 501 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: Like what we always say here on the show, it's 502 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: supposed to be fun. You know, you want to create 503 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: an environment where people feel respected, and then you only 504 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: talk to people with the same respect they give you. 505 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: You know, I always think it's important that, you know, 506 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: to preserve the harmony, you have to remember what you 507 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: love and respect about that person before you even use words. 508 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: That goes a long way, right, because that kind of 509 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: respect turns into an effortless confidence that makes everyone better 510 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: around a safety that makes them, you know, thrive and 511 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: sword with, you know, with the tools they need to 512 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: continue to grow. Right, So absolutely I would say that, 513 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: and and I would also say that, you know, if 514 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: you're going to hire your friends and you all want 515 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: to come up together, you know. I don't know. There 516 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 1: was some director that said something about, like, you know, 517 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: networking was not like the worst advice he was giving 518 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: was a network. 519 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the guy from Moonlighting. Yeah yeah, name Barry Jingers. 520 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know I had I had thoughts about that. Yeah, 521 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: I had thoughts about that. You know, I had thoughts 522 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: about that because in order for you to you know, 523 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: find greatness, you have to be exposed to enough individuals 524 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: that had done it before. You know, you have to 525 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: understand this is a very complicated industry and at one 526 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: size doesn't fit off of this kind of stuff, you know. 527 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: So I would say that networking with the like minded 528 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: is what makes you better. 529 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 2: You know. 530 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,239 Speaker 1: Surrounding yourself with individuals that you know that are in 531 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: search of the same thing, you know, also makes you 532 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: better and makes that shot even more realistic. So to me, 533 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean, like, look at this. You and I probably 534 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:49,959 Speaker 1: met in one of these network convenience right. We were 535 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: at in a word show. We're on something. We're like, 536 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: hey man, hey man, you're doing it. Yeah, I'm doing 537 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: it too, cool, high five. We should be doing this together. 538 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: You know. That's kind of how it happens in our industry, 539 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: you know, but I you know, I would also say 540 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: that you know that the biggest the biggest factor here 541 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: is leadward kindness create a space for people to grow. Yeah, 542 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: because it benefits the big picture. Right, that's kind of 543 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: what you want, you know you want. But what about 544 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: what about you, Aaron? 545 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 5: What do you think when it comes to building a 546 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 5: team and networking? And yeah, I think like I read 547 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 5: this book years ago called the Five Dysfunctions of a Team, 548 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 5: and I can tell them real quick, and it's by 549 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 5: this author, Patrick NINCIONI you talked about when building a team, 550 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 5: we often neglect these aspects and they are like five 551 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 5: glaring aspects of a dysfunctional team. And so one is 552 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 5: the absence of trust, Two is the fear of conflict, 553 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 5: Three is a lack of commitment, four is the avoidance 554 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 5: of accountability, and then five is the inattention to results well. 555 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 5: And so when I was a part of The Daily 556 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 5: Show a few years back, we got this book to 557 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 5: read and power through it through it and I asked myself, like, 558 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 5: what was the one that I was afraid of the 559 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 5: most of those dysfunctions, And it really was the fear 560 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 5: of conflict. 561 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: You know. 562 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 5: And so we were talking about being direct, and you know, 563 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 5: I'm a you know, EmPATH, radical impath. I want everybody 564 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 5: to be happy. I want to cooon. My dad calls 565 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 5: me mister Kumbaya, and so that's my biggest thing. I 566 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 5: want everyone to be cool. And sometimes it is in 567 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 5: conflict that we find the results. And sometimes conflict is 568 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 5: a misnomer. People think, oh, you know, forget you and 569 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 5: forget you. Then it doesn't have to be with like that, right, 570 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 5: there can just be these moments of true directness. And then, Wilmar, 571 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 5: I love what you said, just moving forward. We don't 572 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 5: have to sit in it. We can just move forward 573 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 5: and learn from it. We can learn from it. And 574 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 5: then because we're all results driven, right, and so for 575 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 5: really about the end result, we can get over ourselves, 576 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 5: get over our egos, and then move forward and find 577 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 5: the best solution for the project at head. So yeah, 578 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 5: I think that that's my biggest thing, just holding onto 579 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 5: those five dysfunctions. And whenever I'm entering the situation or 580 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 5: collaborating with others like I might myself direct and produce 581 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 5: and write as well, I'm always looking out for that, 582 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 5: not only within the group, but within myself, right, And 583 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 5: so whenever I'm encountering a challenge like, Okay, what am 584 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 5: I exercising right here? Is it a fear of conflict? 585 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 5: Is it a lack of commitment? Is it an attentiveness 586 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 5: to the result? And usually from within those five dysfunctions, 587 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 5: I have an opportunity to nip the problem in the 588 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,719 Speaker 5: bud and get back to what we're all here to do, 589 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 5: which is to make it happen. 590 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 3: That was you said that they gave you that book. 591 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 3: Was that part of their leadership style at that show 592 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 3: to give that book to all of their employees so 593 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 3: that there's a cohesiveness in terms of how you all 594 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 3: are thinking at the show. 595 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it was very interesting. 596 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 5: While at that job, it was also a collaboration with 597 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 5: Paramount Audio, and so their audio division assigned that reading 598 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 5: task to us because they were, you know, trying to 599 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 5: get better. You know that they had a very corporate 600 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 5: side of seeing things, but they were trying to also 601 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 5: think outside the box. And so in the daily shows 602 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 5: kind of like running Gun, you know, we're doing this, 603 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 5: we're doing that, And so it was a good opportunity 604 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 5: to reflect and evaluate and it was all in the 605 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 5: hopes of yeah, just fine tuning some issues and some 606 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 5: challenges that we observed, and it stuck with me the 607 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 5: entire time. So when we were talking about Team today, 608 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 5: I was like, oh, this is a great book that 609 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 5: I read that kind of helped me get out of 610 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 5: my own sort of. I don't know if it was 611 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 5: malaise or just like the worst part you can be 612 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 5: in our lives are in this industry or this job 613 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 5: is figuring. It's thinking that you have it all figured 614 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 5: out all you constantly want to evolve and get better 615 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 5: and fine tune things. And so that really helped me 616 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 5: get on a page where I was like, Okay, I'm 617 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 5: always going to be looking at these things. So whenever 618 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 5: we have a problem fit flair up, I can be like, oh, 619 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 5: we're not thinking about the end result in mind. Oh 620 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 5: so and SO doesn't want to be direct with so 621 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 5: and so because they're scared about how they may come off. 622 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 623 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: The fear, right, fear is such a it's such a 624 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: person absolute fear of moving forward, feared of voicing your thoughts. 625 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's but also like when you fear 626 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: your job or losing your job or the. 627 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: Or your boss or your fear. 628 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean not even like fearing an individual. 629 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking about fearing the the energy. 630 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 2: Of your job. 631 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: Feeling like there's an expiration date to your job somehow 632 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: creates this mirage of pressure that somehow it's gonna go away, 633 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: it's gonna go away, it's gonna go away. And therefore 634 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: you're only focusing about preservation as opposed to progression. And 635 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 1: then therefore, guess what happens. You know, somebody is gonna 636 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: take a note that all you're doing is trying not 637 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: to lose your job. And when that comes across and 638 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: you lose the creativity or the innovation of driving with vision, 639 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: guess what happens? Like you're no longer, You're no longer 640 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: a team member, right, You're not onlyer, you're no longer 641 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: a leader because you're just only trying to preserve your 642 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: job the detriment of the team's efforts. Right. So it's 643 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: so a lot of that stuff is plays a major factor. 644 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: And but yeah, I mean that's that's thank you for 645 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,720 Speaker 1: sharing all those things. We have a lot of stuff 646 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: to reflect on that, and you know, I hope everyone 647 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: you know walks away with some little you know, notions, 648 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: a little yeah, yeah, A couple of little diamonds of 649 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: of thoughts here putting a team. It's not simple, but 650 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: I guess that the most the most primitive essence, find 651 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: individuals that are doing it like you're doing it, or 652 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: they share the same and values of how to get there, 653 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 1: and if they don't, you know, learn from those who 654 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 1: may have other ways, you know. I think that's that's 655 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: the idea. And uh and leadership, I think. But but Freddie, 656 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: thank you so much for those thoughts. Really cool, bro, 657 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: Thank you. Wimer, same to you, man. Yes, this is 658 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: dos Amigos and uh, tell a friend. 659 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: Tell a Friend. 660 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 3: Dos Amigos is a production from WV Sound and iHeartMedia's 661 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 3: Michael through That podcast Network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez, 662 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 3: and Wilmer Valdorama. 663 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: Dose Amigos is produced by Aaron Burlson and Sophie Spencer Zabos. 664 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 3: Our executive producers are Wilmer of Aaldorama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson, 665 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 3: and Leo Clem at WV Sound. 666 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,720 Speaker 1: This episode was shot and edited it by Ryan Posts 667 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: and mixed by Sean Tracy and features original music by 668 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: Madison Devenport and Halo Boy. 669 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 3: Our cover art photography is by David Avalos and design 670 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 3: by Deny Holtzclaw. 671 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: And thank you for being in her third Amigo today. 672 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys always listening to those amos. 673 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,640 Speaker 3: For more podcasts from my Heart, visit to your heart 674 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,960 Speaker 3: radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your 675 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:09,720 Speaker 3: favorite shows. 676 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: See you next week.