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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, Welcome back to our second hour of this

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Speaker 1: segment of our Day one broadcasting from the NFL Combine.

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Speaker 1: Jerry Dulac, along with Dale Lawley and Max Starts are

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Speaker 1: thanks to Ramon Foster, former Steeler guard, for joining us

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Speaker 1: in the last segment. I know, Max, it's always a

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Speaker 1: treat for you to see him here, and of course

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Speaker 1: I get to see him every year here as well.

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Speaker 1: And he's a good dude. I mean, undrafted player, heck

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Speaker 1: of a career eleven years in the league because it

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Speaker 1: was a player rep you know, as we all know,

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Speaker 1: bright guy, looked out for the best interests of the

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Speaker 1: players and just a man, a solid, a solid lineman

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Speaker 1: all those years.

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Speaker 2: Boy, Yeah, I mean that's my young brother, man. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, he was a guy that came in, you know,

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Speaker 2: our forty three Super Bowl year as a rookie, like

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Speaker 2: you said, just cut his teeth the hard way, you know,

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Speaker 2: worked his way up from a pea squad guy to

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Speaker 2: an active roster guy to a starter to a trusted veteran,

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Speaker 2: multiple contracts along the way, and like you said, you know,

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Speaker 2: took over the rains as a player rep after I

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Speaker 2: left and did a phenomenal job.

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Speaker 3: He yeah, he came in after me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean because when I came in, you

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Speaker 2: had Dashaye, Charlie was on the executive committee. And then

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Speaker 2: when Dshaye left, Ryan Clark stepped in, and then I

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Speaker 2: was the assistant with Ryan Clark because Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Was on the e C. So it was us three

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Speaker 3: for a number of years.

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Speaker 2: And then when I left, even though I did it

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Speaker 2: for one year after I had left because we didn't

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Speaker 2: have a vote so we didn't change the player reps.

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Speaker 2: And then Ramone was a guy that came in right

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Speaker 2: after that and did a phenomenal job, you know, taking

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Speaker 2: over the rain, so you know, a lot of responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Classy dude. I love Ramon.

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Speaker 2: I go on a show in Nashville to talk college

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Speaker 2: football and stuff like that. So it's always good to

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Speaker 2: see my one when I'm in Nashville. Obviously my father's

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Speaker 2: house is there. You know, we liked to see each

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Speaker 2: other and you know, check in. Like I said, Lil

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Speaker 2: Moan is no longer a little Ramon, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, he he is.

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Speaker 2: He's a huge n Yeah, humongous human. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: but his brother's tall, like you know what I'm saying

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Speaker 2: like his brother played international basketball. So I mean that

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Speaker 2: that family has a lot of talent and athleticism.

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Speaker 3: And so now they're just now adding a third sport.

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Speaker 2: To uh right, to the roster football, basketball, now baseball

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Speaker 2: and Lo moan, I mean, and he can pitch too, man,

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Speaker 2: I mean he's he reminds me of Kumar Rocker, you know,

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Speaker 2: as far as the style and everything, and nobody knows that.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he was a Vanderbilt guy, was a top

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Speaker 2: ten draft pick a couple of years ago. So, and

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Speaker 2: he came from a football family with the Rocker family

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Speaker 2: from Auburn.

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Speaker 1: Cams on the executive committee.

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Speaker 3: Now Cam's on the e C. Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 1: When you're looking at the Dale referenced disc talking with

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Speaker 1: Ramon max At, you know, the Steves have paid a

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Speaker 1: lot of attention to the offensive line the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years, bringing in saam Allo, you know, draft number one,

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Speaker 1: fourteenth overall, Broderick Jones, sixteenth overall of ton of Zach

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Speaker 1: Fraser's second round, Mason McCormick three, their top five picks

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Speaker 1: offensive line. Now it's time to shift it to the

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Speaker 1: other line. Pay that kind of attention to the defensive line.

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Speaker 1: That for the past two years, you have to the offense.

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Speaker 2: Interior defensive line. Let's be even more specific. Let's go

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Speaker 2: ahead say say it needs to be interior. Now, the

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Speaker 2: other thing is what is our identity defensively?

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Speaker 1: Right? You know?

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing is are we going more three

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Speaker 2: four guys? We don't play base three four that often.

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Speaker 2: We're more in a nickel four to two so rarely.

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Speaker 2: So it's now the type of guy you're getting at

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Speaker 2: that interior position matters, you know, because you don't need

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Speaker 2: the two gapping type of defensive It because every team

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Speaker 2: playing is playing you in eleven personnel. And so because

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Speaker 2: they're like, hey, if we get the Steelers in three four,

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Speaker 2: Because all these guys are built this way, let's put

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Speaker 2: them in eleven. They have to play for part.

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Speaker 4: Of the problem becomes, and it was a problem when

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Speaker 4: when Casey Hampton, when they drafted Casey Hampton, and there

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Speaker 4: would be games where he played fourteen snaps because exactly,

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Speaker 4: but if you don't have that guy, yeah, you're now

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Speaker 3: You're all over you arned. If you do earned, if

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Speaker 3: you don't, right, So.

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Speaker 4: You have to have one. But the question then becomes,

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Speaker 4: where do you take a nose tackle?

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Speaker 3: Yes, and that's the thing. Where do I take the

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Speaker 3: earth the earth stopper?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Where do I take the earth stopping D tackle? I

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Speaker 2: think that's later, But you still need a slashing D tackle, right.

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Speaker 2: You still need that guy who can hold the point

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Speaker 2: but still pass rush. And so that's where the quandr

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Speaker 2: is gonna be. But you need both of them.

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Speaker 4: Let me ask you about this, a guy that's in

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Speaker 4: this draft who's going to be probably a first round

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Speaker 4: pick and he might just blow up this combine Kenneth

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Speaker 4: Grant from from Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's a nose. Yeah, he's a nose, but

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Speaker 3: he's probably more than a nose. He he.

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Speaker 2: He gives he gives you three technique vibes. Right, he

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Speaker 2: gives you a not as big as Warren Sap, but

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Speaker 2: he gives you sap capability, right. And I think that's

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Speaker 2: where him and Walter Nolan are probably my number one

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Speaker 2: are gonna blo up because teams are going to say

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Speaker 2: I need that. I just saw Philadelphia did, right, I

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Speaker 2: just saw how they just mantled and disbar the Kansas

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Speaker 2: City Chiefs, who this year, they're like the Kansasity Chiefs

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Speaker 2: were just rolling over everybody, winning every game, and Philly

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Speaker 2: made them look like they were a JV squad that

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Speaker 2: was four and ten. Right, it looked like the Carolina

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Speaker 2: Panthers in that Super Bowl. Now everybody's seeing that, So

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Speaker 2: now that that attention goes to those guys. So now

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Speaker 2: a guy like Kimi Grant, you look at him and

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Speaker 2: you're like, I need him, I need him. And now

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Speaker 2: because of that, because of that Super Bowl, the attention

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Speaker 2: for defensive linemen and to have depth a defensive line

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Speaker 2: now becomes an onus. So we're now in the race

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Speaker 2: right with everybody else that came up short. And then

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Speaker 2: you also saw what the Rams did with how many

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Speaker 2: young defensive linemen did they have between Young and Verse

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of attention to it. And Grant is

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Speaker 2: going to is going to help himself and make a

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Speaker 2: lot of money and move up a lot of draft

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Speaker 3: Here. This are a three hundred and forty pounds should

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Speaker 3: not move like that.

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Speaker 1: They should not in match. How did the Eagles do it?

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Speaker 1: Jordan Davis number one draft pick the next year, Jalen

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Speaker 1: Carter number one draft pick. That's the type of attention

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Speaker 1: you have to pay to the line, not third round

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Speaker 1: picks or fourth round picks. Keanu Benton is a nice piece.

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Speaker 1: He's a nice piece, but he's not the next Cam Hayward.

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Speaker 1: And you have to go fine, to me the next

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Speaker 1: Cam Hayward. And where was Cam drafted? That's right, number

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Speaker 1: drafted number one. That's where you're gonna find the pedig

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Speaker 1: for the most part, and you're the most part.

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Speaker 2: And you have to go get And I think Grant

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Speaker 2: and Nolan are probably the two that I say are

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Speaker 2: bona fide first rounders. Everybody else, like you said, it's

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Speaker 2: day two, but there's something about coming with Day two, right,

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Speaker 2: second and third round, there's an if there's an asterisk,

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Speaker 2: there's a might need to do this type of proving

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Speaker 2: type of moment for those For those but those two,

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Speaker 2: there's no doubt there's a production. There's a tanasi and

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Speaker 2: like you said, there's rare skill and rare traits involved

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Speaker 2: with that. You should not be able to move that fast.

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Speaker 2: Right when you watch Jalen Carter, you know, you're like

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Speaker 2: that guy. How he fell to the Eagles in that

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Speaker 2: situation is beyond me. And I get you know, you

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Speaker 2: could talk about the whole buggaboo that happened right before

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Speaker 2: the draft, but Eagle said not we got enough Georgia

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Speaker 2: Bulldogs on this squad.

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Speaker 3: All that draft was redrafted.

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Speaker 2: He's going number one overall, no question about it, no

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Speaker 2: question about it. And that's what you're trying to de liver.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to look for when they redrafted, did my

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Speaker 2: guy move up in the redraft? Now we won't know

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Speaker 2: that for another, you know, year or two, you know,

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Speaker 2: because you always wait for the two in the four year,

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Speaker 2: you know, comps for those guys and then come back, Hey,

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Speaker 2: we'll redraft the draft. But from what we've seen so far,

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think and I and watching both of

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Speaker 2: those guys play, I'm like, yeah, yeah, I need Walter Nolan.

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Speaker 2: He would be an excellent piece in our defense. And

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Speaker 2: I think also Grant would be one of those guys,

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Speaker 2: like you said, you can't scheme him out, which is

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Speaker 2: the best part because we used to scheme out Casey Hampton. Right,

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Speaker 2: this guy can still play for nickel nickel nose tackle

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Speaker 2: in this league and still get pressure. And where's the

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Speaker 2: most effective pressure for a quarterback up the middle? Every

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Speaker 2: they have to turn and they turned that shoulder and

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Speaker 2: they turned themselves away from the defense. Now your edge

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Speaker 2: guys win because that guy has to now roll out

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Speaker 2: wide and he's lost the defensive coverage. And that's what

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Speaker 2: a Grant and a Nolan bring to this table.

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Speaker 4: I see, like Tyler Williams out of Ohio State. There

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Speaker 4: there's yeah, there's nose tackles in this draft all the

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Speaker 4: way down through.

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Speaker 3: I mean the Indiana kid or you know there's a bunch.

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Speaker 2: Of Notre Dame kid, the Ohio State caid, I mean

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Speaker 2: they're they're an Oregon kid.

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Speaker 3: Right. There's a lot of guys in here.

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Speaker 2: But like you said, to be special, Yeah, and the.

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Speaker 3: Steelers kind of had that with Yvon Hargrave to it

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Speaker 3: to a degree.

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Speaker 1: They did.

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Speaker 3: And that was the numbers game.

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Speaker 2: They played chicken and you know, you saw what Javon

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Speaker 2: Hargraves went and did for San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: Of course, but you know you held to it, you

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Speaker 1: cam into it, can pay three of them and at

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Speaker 1: that point and to it, you did not know what

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Speaker 1: that's exactly right, didn't know doubt And that's they have

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Speaker 1: not replaced that.

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Speaker 3: Since step On is thirty two years old right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty two he's been gone three years now, Yes,

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Speaker 1: his career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you just can't. You can't plan for that.

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Speaker 2: You can't plan for and and that's the thing I mean,

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Speaker 2: But isn't that something like with the Steelers, like when

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Speaker 2: you have unexpected We've had a couple of unexpected issues, right,

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Speaker 2: because how long did it take us to replace a

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Speaker 2: Shazier type right.

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Speaker 1: Until this year?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Me?

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Speaker 1: And even then we'll still see. It's still wait to.

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Speaker 2: See, right, it's still TBD because of what she's here.

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Speaker 1: Years to still go to find that stud. You gotta

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Speaker 1: Yeah go early, Yes, yes, they need it.

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Speaker 4: They need to run on those edge rushers to push

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you know what, and I'm not gonna lie.

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Speaker 2: Hey, go get your running back, go get your We

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Speaker 1: So the market value for running back isn't going to

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Speaker 1: we do that, No, butch Opson is going to join its.

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Speaker 1: in the next section. That's right, And they have a

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Steeler Nation Radio and Fox Sports Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Jerry Doulac,

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Speaker 1: Dale Lawley, and Max starts with you. We are together

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Speaker 1: joined now by Jeff Hobson of Bengals dot Com, one

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Speaker 1: of our favorites and an annual guest here at the combine.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't be a combine if we didn't have you

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Speaker 5: Well, it's great to be on with the Hall of

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Speaker 5: Famer Jerry Dulac, the great Dale Lawye and of course

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Speaker 5: Max Stacks, who's a kind of an honorary Bengal. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 5: Great Ross Brown, right, right, great trio, great trio here.

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Speaker 1: So a great run at the end of the season.

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Speaker 1: I just said to you earlier, I was actually kind

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean they had to. You know, they had

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Speaker 1: And it's you're in.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you're right, So I think that's going to be

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Speaker 1: is going to happen with T Higgins who's an unrestricted

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Speaker 1: free agent?

436
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Speaker 5: Just go by what I read. It sounds like you

437
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Speaker 5: read well, I like I said, Like I said, I don't.

438
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Speaker 1: You know, as a newspaper old newspaper guy, you don't

439
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Speaker 1: believe everything you read.

440
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Speaker 5: And as I told you, anybody I write every day.

441
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Speaker 5: So no, I don't believe it. But I do think

442
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Speaker 5: they value to Higgins greatly, certainly the quarterback values, so

443
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Speaker 5: I would. And just by reading some of the reports,

444
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Speaker 5: you know he will be tagged yah. And I think

445
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Speaker 5: too that I think they want to get something done

446
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Speaker 5: with Jamai Chase, So I think that's going to get

447
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Speaker 5: done at some point. They want to a lot of expense, Well,

448
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Speaker 5: they and then they want to extend Trey Hendrickson. So

449
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Speaker 5: this is a very different off season and Cincinnati usually

450
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Speaker 5: this stuff is done, you know, training camp, these extensions.

451
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Speaker 5: But I think we're on a fast track now. I

452
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Speaker 5: think you've got Match twelve staring in the face, so

453
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Speaker 5: some thing's got to get done before then, and certainly

454
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Speaker 5: with Higgins. So you know, we're in a different little

455
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Speaker 5: bit of a time frame than usual.

456
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Speaker 4: As I've said this before, like a couple of weeks ago,

457
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Speaker 4: Burrow came out and said, I'll be willing to, you know,

458
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Speaker 4: adjust my contract.

459
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Speaker 3: I'll take some money up front.

460
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Speaker 4: I always love that it all sounds well and good,

461
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Speaker 4: but the players getting a big check, yeah, to to

462
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Speaker 4: to lower the salary cap. You then have to write

463
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Speaker 4: big checks for your wide receiver. You have to write

464
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Speaker 4: another big check for your defensive end. Again, it's it's

465
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Speaker 4: all sounds well and good until you're the guy writing

466
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Speaker 4: the big checks.

467
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Speaker 5: Well it's you know, and it's easy to get criticized

468
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Speaker 5: for not doing a deal, but you know you got

469
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Speaker 5: to do it. You know you're trying to you know,

470
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Speaker 5: you try to keep a team together, which is not easy.

471
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Speaker 5: So I mean it's it's it's you know, hell, you

472
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Speaker 5: can sign them to anything you want. But and I

473
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Speaker 5: think the thing is, everybody looks at the Eagles say,

474
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Speaker 5: well they do it well. I mean that might not

475
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Speaker 5: be the same approach, or maybe they're thinking about how

476
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Speaker 5: to change approach.

477
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Speaker 3: You look at their salary cap situation.

478
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Speaker 4: In three years they've get they've written so many voidable

479
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Speaker 4: years onto their salary caps. They have like one hundred

480
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Speaker 4: and sixty million dollars in avoided money in three three

481
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Speaker 4: years from now.

482
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Speaker 5: It's you're talking about the Eagles. It's some Yet at

483
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Speaker 5: some point you got to pay the bill. Ye, I

484
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Speaker 5: mean this is something you know, and you know in

485
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Speaker 5: this division. You know, the Steelers don't do it that way.

486
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Speaker 5: The Bengals don't like to do it that way. But

487
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Speaker 5: we're you know, uh, never have they Never has a

488
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Speaker 5: team had the leading passer, the leading receiver, and the

489
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Speaker 5: leading sacker. So that shows that that's a hell of

490
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Speaker 5: a job acquiring talent. But you know, you gotta be

491
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Speaker 5: a to keep this thing together. You know, it's it's

492
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Speaker 5: without without sabotaging yourself in later in later years.

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Speaker 3: It's a it's a craft, No, it's it's a skill set.

494
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Speaker 2: I mean, and we kind of you know, one of

495
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Speaker 2: the teams I think we could still see is still

496
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Speaker 2: reeling from that fallout New Orleans Saints, right Nicky Loomis

497
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Speaker 2: and what they've had to do, and how that's just

498
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Speaker 2: slowly eroded to where they're at right now because of,

499
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Speaker 2: like you said, because of going all in earlier.

500
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Speaker 3: You know, the last point the credit card companies come

501
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Speaker 3: looking for their money.

502
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you can't call one of these

503
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Speaker 2: one eight hundred numbers that relief and uh yeah, yeah,

504
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Speaker 2: get out of it. But you know, but I think

505
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Speaker 2: that's one of the things that's the craft, right, you know,

506
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Speaker 2: did you expect to have Joe Burrow?

507
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Speaker 3: Did you you know, do you expect to go to

508
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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl as soon?

509
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Speaker 2: That kind of that kind of alters how you guys

510
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Speaker 2: look at that process. But my thing is is, you know,

511
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Speaker 2: the other thing that I worry about is offensive line play.

512
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Speaker 3: Right. You know, you've brought in a lot of.

513
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Speaker 2: Free agents over those years to figure out that, right combination,

514
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Speaker 2: keeping Joe Burrow safe is still something And do you

515
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Speaker 2: lose something with that because because of the fact you

516
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Speaker 2: got you got to pay the skill guys.

517
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's a great point. I mean, I

518
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Speaker 5: I the way they play, I mean, their style of

519
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Speaker 5: play is the quarterback is going to get hit. So

520
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Speaker 5: I think probably the offensive line the max. You know,

521
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Speaker 5: this offensive line has probably played better than the numbers

522
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Speaker 5: because they throw it a lot. Still, you've got the key.

523
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Speaker 5: You have to protect this man. And I think they've

524
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Speaker 5: done a nice job with the two tackles. Alego Brown

525
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Speaker 5: and Amarus Smims are going to be around for a while.

526
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Speaker 5: Teddy Carris going into the last year of his deal.

527
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Speaker 5: Strong Center. You know, they got to get got and

528
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Speaker 5: they have to get God figured out. And so you know,

529
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Speaker 5: how much do you spend there? I mean sure it's great.

530
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Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, maybe maybe you try to save there,

531
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Speaker 5: but should you maybe the maybe maybe a great guy

532
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Speaker 5: is more important than you know, something else.

533
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Speaker 3: He guards got paid last year in free agents.

534
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Speaker 5: Yeah right, I mean, you know, you know so I think.

535
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Speaker 5: But I you know, this is a club, though, that

536
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Speaker 5: has always paid its perimeter plays. I mean, you can

537
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Speaker 5: say what you want to, Oh, they have a high

538
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Speaker 5: time and you can't. You know, they pay if you look,

539
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Speaker 5: they pay.

540
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Speaker 3: They had the.

541
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Speaker 5: Third highest payroll last year, a lot of it going

542
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Speaker 5: to the quarterback and then the perimeterive players. That's just

543
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Speaker 5: their mindset. So but I think they'll go you know,

544
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Speaker 5: they'll look at they'll look at God and free agency,

545
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Speaker 5: they'll look at it in the draft. But like Max said,

546
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Speaker 5: I mean, really, the offensive line is just as viable

547
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Speaker 5: as the skill guys, right, So should you short shrift that?

548
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Speaker 1: Uh? Were you surprised Hendrickton didn't win?

549
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Speaker 5: I was? I mean usually that's kind of a that's

550
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Speaker 5: usually the guy who leads the league in sacks gets.

551
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Speaker 4: It years ago though either Yeah, I guess you're right,

552
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Speaker 4: but typically though too, it's usually from a winning slash

553
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Speaker 4: playoff team.

554
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Speaker 1: Those players get the awards typically.

555
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Speaker 5: And and what the kid got the Denver corner. Certain right,

556
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Speaker 5: they went to the playoffs, right, but you know they

557
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Speaker 5: would have. But the Bengals could have gone to the

558
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Speaker 5: playoffs that last day and they wouldn't have had anybody,

559
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Speaker 5: you know, they wouldn't had any of those guys, you know.

560
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Speaker 5: So I just think it's uh, you know, it's it's

561
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Speaker 5: it's the you know. And you've heard me add nausea

562
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Speaker 5: and talk about the Hall of Fame, Jerry and about

563
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Speaker 5: how there are too many we have too many good

564
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Speaker 5: players who are on great teams in the Hall of

565
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Speaker 5: Fame and not enough great players from team that didn't

566
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Speaker 5: win championship. And I think it's the it's the say,

567
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Speaker 5: you know, I mean, uh, to have Burrow, I mean,

568
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Speaker 5: I don't know. Uh, it's hard to it's you know,

569
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Speaker 5: it's hard to argue with any of these guys that

570
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Speaker 5: can m v P, you know, but I mean Borrow

571
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Speaker 5: could be in that list, and certainly Hendrickson and that,

572
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Speaker 5: you know, to me, I thought the m v P.

573
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Speaker 5: I mean that guy I mean was Barkley. I mean,

574
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Speaker 5: that's to me, the guy who gets two thousand years

575
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Speaker 5: has gotta be uh yeah, you know.

576
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Speaker 1: Thought See, I thought it was going to play out

577
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Speaker 1: the way it did. I thought Barkley would be Offensive

578
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Speaker 1: Player of the Year.

579
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Speaker 3: I did.

580
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Speaker 1: And I thought either Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson would

581
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Speaker 1: be the MVP. That's just what I thought it was

582
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Speaker 1: going to be.

583
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Speaker 5: And here you get a guy who did something that

584
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Speaker 5: only had been done twice before in this century. Jamai

585
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Speaker 5: Chase won a triple.

586
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Speaker 6: Crown, right, yeah right, And he doesn't like yeah right,

587
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 6: your heart right right exactly had to win a triple crown, right,

588
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 6: but you know, you can't.

589
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Speaker 5: I mean, he's not even he barely mentioned in this guy.

590
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Speaker 5: I think he's the first guy ever to have seventeen

591
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Speaker 5: touchdowns and seventeen hundred yeats.

592
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Speaker 1: How long have you been in Cincinnati though, I've.

593
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Speaker 5: Been in Cincinnati since nineteen ninety when the Bengals swept

594
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Speaker 5: the Steelers the Chuck Nobles Steelers twice to win the

595
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Speaker 5: old AFC Central.

596
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Speaker 1: And it still hasn't sucked that Boston accent after all

597
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Speaker 1: those years.

598
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Speaker 3: It's unbelievable.

599
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Speaker 1: I don't know, midwestern town.

600
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Speaker 3: You think it would have to be.

601
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Speaker 1: It would be tame. Five years and you can't get

602
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Speaker 1: the town.

603
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 5: No, probably probably the only living masshole in Ohio.

604
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Speaker 2: There's a lot of the other kind though, Yeah, exactly.

605
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: So where did the Bengals? Uh, what do they what

606
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: do you think they need or are going to look

607
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: for in the draft?

608
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Speaker 5: I think it at number seventeen they go for the

609
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 5: best defensive lineman there being a tackle or an edge.

610
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Speaker 5: You know, Hendrickson is going into the last year of

611
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 5: his deal. Uh, you know is Sam Hubbard? You know,

612
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 5: Sam Hubbard's production is dipped. He's been hurt the last

613
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Speaker 5: two years. Miles Murphy. Uh their first round pick from

614
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Speaker 5: twenty three hasn't really played much. They got to get

615
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 5: him on the field so they could go edge. They

616
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Speaker 5: really haven't replaced deep. Well, they haven't replaced DJ. Nobody

617
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 5: can play DJ Rita, So you know they need a

618
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Speaker 5: you know, Max, they need this big guy that you

619
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Speaker 5: can't move. Is it the is the kid from Michigan?

620
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Speaker 5: Is the kid from Ohio State. I don't know, Maybe

621
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Speaker 5: they get the edge later. All I know is this

622
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 5: is a real good draft for d tackles and edges,

623
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Speaker 5: and I would expect them to get at least one,

624
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 5: you know, on the first two nights in the draft.

625
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: What about the secondary situation, I mean there were a

626
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 4: lot of injuries there last year.

627
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think it was pretty I mean I

628
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 5: think the corners are good. Cam Taylor britt he got benched,

629
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 5: but he came back and he was playing. He was

630
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 5: playing more like himself. DJ Turner and Dax Hill got hurt.

631
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 5: I think they felt like next to Trey Henderson, Dax

632
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 5: Hill is their best player. He's a guy that can

633
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 5: play everything in the secondary. DJ Turner can run with anybody.

634
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 5: They got a lot out of Josh Josh Newton had

635
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 5: to stat the last eight games of the year. They

636
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 5: gotta get safety figured out a little bit. I think

637
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 5: they get the depth of corner safety they want to,

638
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 5: I think get straightened out. It looks like they you know,

639
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 5: I think they think Geno Stu Geno Stone with a

640
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: new DC give him what they want a little bit.

641
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 5: I think, you know, they like Jordan Battle, their third

642
00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 5: round pick from two years ago. So I think they'd

643
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 5: like to get the younger guys more snaps. Wouldn't be

644
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 5: surprised to see him draft the guy or sign a

645
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 5: guy there though. But I think I think, I think

646
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 5: the secondary is the strength of their defense.

647
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would completely agree. And I think, you know,

648
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Speaker 2: I think it's interesting. I mean, where do you see

649
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: them go? You so free agency? You think is where

650
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: they attack the guard position for the draft?

651
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well, I think they could do it

652
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Speaker 5: both ways. I know, I know Cordelle Volson, who you know.

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Speaker 5: They just signed a new offensive line coach, Scott Peters.

654
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 5: He's a he's a guy I know.

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Speaker 3: Scott.

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Speaker 2: Scott and I are a long time Buddi's yeah, yeah, Scott.

657
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: Scott played for the Lions and Scott and I trained

658
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: together out and he had lions Den heat came up

659
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Speaker 2: with a different style of coaching.

660
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Speaker 3: Offensive line player. Scott's a good The strikes, yeah, the

661
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 3: strike system really good.

662
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Speaker 5: I think they're hoping that a guy like Vulson maybe

663
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Speaker 5: gets revived.

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Speaker 1: What's the strikes strike?

665
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Speaker 2: So let's see the biggest way to not take away

666
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: from this this conversation, strike system is simply the way

667
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: that you attack a guy, you know, being more versatile.

668
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: So you know you always taught screw the shoulder in

669
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: extend the punch angles, but being more on the aggressive

670
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: versus the reacting. Like a lot of guys are talked

671
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: to set set back in sets. This is more of

672
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: a Mma style, if you will, type of approach where

673
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: you're getting into more of the grappling a lot earlier

674
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 2: and bringing the fight to him even in past protection.

675
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Speaker 2: He developed the system twelve years ago at Lion's Den,

676
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Speaker 2: which was off of the off of Hayden and Thomas

677
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: was the gym. So, I mean, I used to go

678
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Speaker 2: over there and Peters and I talked a lot about this.

679
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Speaker 2: But but he's an excellent offense.

680
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Speaker 5: And it's like it's like what they have boxing moves,

681
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 5: and he kind of it's like so ill. They'll say

682
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 5: one three, one three six or something right, and that's

683
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 5: uh And the rest of the line knows what that means.

684
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: I guess say they're all attacking in a certain direction,

685
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: almost like a slide protection type of deal. But the

686
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: offensive line is dictating the slide versus reacting to the slide.

687
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Speaker 5: It's the best guy. That's the best I've ever heard of. Yeah,

688
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 5: so I'm trying to figure it out for a month.

689
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why he's on the network.

690
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Speaker 5: No, but that's but that's you know, and he's actually

691
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 5: one like to uh two like jiu jitsu championships, like submission,

692
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: like submission.

693
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Speaker 2: So it's based off of i keto aketo concepts in

694
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: martial arts. I mean because a lot of like I

695
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: trained in the off seasons I keto with hot keto,

696
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: which is a style of push pull. So if you know,

697
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: if a guy has the arm to be able to

698
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: manipulate and break and use different angles, right, don't Yeah

699
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Speaker 2: I'm not.

700
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Speaker 3: Right.

701
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Speaker 1: Every day I can tell you that I did grab

702
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Speaker 1: the left hand.

703
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: No, but yeah, but the same thing, the same concepts

704
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: about that, Like a lot of defensive linemen do that, right,

705
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: like Aaron Donald did Collie, which is a similar type

706
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: of system with the so all those things kind of

707
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Speaker 2: it's bringing martial arts into the into the offensive line

708
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Speaker 2: training aspects.

709
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Speaker 5: So that might be the best acquisition we had. It

710
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 5: might not be a player, maybe a coach. I did

711
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 5: a conversation with him like a week ago, and I

712
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 5: was just glad I didn't get in a headlock.

713
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Speaker 3: Yeah but I so, but you know.

714
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Speaker 5: But that's you know, maybe a guy like Wolsen gets revived.

715
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 5: Who you know, who knows?

716
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: So do you feel your team is close? Do they

717
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: feel they're close if Piecer two? Or do do you

718
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: feel that if.

719
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 5: Joseph Lee Burrow is here, we're close.

720
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Speaker 1: You're always there, We're close.

721
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Speaker 5: That's why the Al Golden Higher doesn't have to reinvent football,

722
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 5: doesn't have to be a dick Lebo invent his own blitz.

723
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Speaker 3: Just get him to fifteen.

724
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Speaker 1: I can't be the worst, you know, Penn State guy,

725
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: you know win those games that.

726
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 5: They lost in pay Court against Pittsburgh. You can't. You

727
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 5: can't let Russell Wilson have the second greatest game of

728
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 5: his career and get beat by forty one, you know,

729
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 5: by you scored what with the Yeah, I think we

730
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Speaker 5: scored thirty.

731
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Speaker 3: Eighth forty yeah, yeah, yeah, right, right.

732
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Speaker 5: To score thirty eight points against the Pittsburgh Steels, it

733
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Speaker 5: not win. Still physically sick, right, so uh, you know,

734
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 5: just just get so maybe and again maybe that's the

735
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Speaker 5: biggest actuasition on defense Al Golden getting you to fifteenth.

736
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Speaker 4: Well, we talked about this before the final regular season game,

737
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Speaker 4: and I think one thing that you guys have done

738
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 4: with Zach is he never plays anybody in the preseason,

739
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Speaker 4: and every year he got off to a slow start.

740
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Speaker 3: Do you see him changing that?

741
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Speaker 5: I mean that that may change, but you know there's

742
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: been up until this past year. There are reasons because

743
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: Borrow wasn't right healthy.

744
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 4: Yeah right, but even like two years ago, you had

745
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 4: a whole new offensive line and then didn't play them

746
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Speaker 4: all together in the preseason.

747
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Speaker 5: I think they'll I think they'll probably look at that,

748
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,239
Speaker 5: but you know, the minute you do that and it's right. So,

749
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's great, right. I always thought he did

750
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 5: a good job getting to the gate. I mean, now

751
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 5: it doesn't it hasn't panned out. But to me, with

752
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 5: a seventeen game season, you get all these guys making

753
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 5: all this money. I don't know if you can pound

754
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Speaker 5: these guys and get them ready.

755
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.

756
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: Sometime first year coach, he's going to want that offensive

757
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: line in the preseason to get on the same season

758
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: live bullets.

759
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Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, well there you go.

760
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Speaker 3: He will make it.

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00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: Offense what the owner tells him.

762
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but maybe that's the but you know, and maybe

763
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 5: that's maybe that has been missing.

764
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Speaker 4: You lose that game against again a bad Patriots team

765
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Speaker 4: in the opener, But do you.

766
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Speaker 5: Lose because t Higgins is hurt? Do you lose it?

767
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 5: T Higgins gets hurt, Tanna Hudson and Mike h Seki.

768
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Speaker 5: Tanna Hudson fumbles on the two, Mike is Secki can't

769
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Speaker 5: hold onto a ball in the end zone. So do

770
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Speaker 5: you panic and say, oh my god, we should have

771
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: been banging on August third. Well, no, if you make

772
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: those if you make those plays, but then again, well

773
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Speaker 5: maybe if you had been banging on August those plays, you.

774
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Speaker 1: Know, he would have held on the ball. Security drive.

775
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: You know, the coaches always say there's two or three

776
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: plays in every game that you could go back. You're

777
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Speaker 1: doing it right off the bat for the season up.

778
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Speaker 5: Yes, but you know who's counting.

779
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Speaker 1: I know one guy who's ready for the regular season

780
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: every year, and that's you, boy, Jeff. Jeff Hopson from

781
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Speaker 1: Bengals dot You're.

782
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Speaker 5: Very kind to have me on. I gotta after you

783
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 5: guys break. I gotta get Max to talking about Scott Peters.

784
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go.

785
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: Perfect. That's exactly right. Thanks for coming on, brother, Always

786
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: always good to see it. That's Jeff Hopson a Bengals

787
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: dot Com. We'll come back with more from the NFL

788
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: Combine in Indianapolis day. Right where you are, you're listening

789
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Speaker 1: to Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio in Indianapolis.

790
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: Jerry do lac Dale Lawley and Max Starks. I will

791
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: be with you till the top of the hour and

792
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: then Dale and Max will be joined by Matt Williamson

793
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: and they will go three consecutive hours to five PM.

794
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: And you can hear it all right here on Fox

795
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio. Thanks to Jeff Hopson,

796
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: a Bengals dot Com who joined us in the last segment.

797
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: Still enjoying a nice chat with the Max Starks about

798
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: the new offensive line coach for the Cincinnati Bengals. He

799
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Speaker 1: realizes maybe now it's time to let Max get back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, always have a great time talking to Jeff.

801
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 2: We see we run it to and of course he

802
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: knew my dad very well, right, so yeah, so it's

803
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: always great catch up with him.

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00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh every time he would see uh, Craig Wolfley,

805
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of Syracuse guys.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he would broadcasting Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: You got that right? What Hey? Before Jeff came on,

809
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: we were talking about defensive lineman and I started to

810
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Speaker 1: ask about maybe some guys in free agency, you know,

811
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Speaker 1: who might be the top tier guys who might be

812
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: of some attraction to the Steelers as a possibility, or

813
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Speaker 1: who you think would be a good addition.

814
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 2: So I've struggled with this, and you know, I think,

815
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: what's the the guy from from Philly that's not Williams.

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00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go.

817
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 2: I got so many names running in my head. But

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Speaker 2: Milt Williams is a guy I look at. I just

819
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 2: don't know if he's priced himself out of our range

820
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 2: because of what he did in the Super Bowl.

821
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Speaker 4: I loved him coming out in the draft a few

822
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 4: years ago. Yeah, he was a little undersized. Yeah, but

823
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 4: he was an athletic freak. But this was really the

824
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 4: first year that he did anything. So on the fourth

825
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 4: year of that contract. And so he's still twenty five.

826
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Speaker 4: Is he just now starting to reach his his peak?

827
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 4: But everybody else knows that too, Yeah, everybody else knows that.

828
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Speaker 2: And like you said, and now he has been put

829
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Speaker 2: on tape, So now that value's gone up. We've seen

830
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Speaker 2: what happens when you put it on tape.

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Speaker 3: And he put it on the biggest of.

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Speaker 1: Stage, right, and put it on tape in the super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: in the.

834
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl, and you're like, man, and everybody's looking at

835
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 2: the Eagles already, how can we chip away at them?

836
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: And you know, can we hurt them in free agency

837
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: by also helping ourselves? And I think he's one of

838
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: the square guys that you look at as going to

839
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: be a prime target. And I had him. I was like, man,

840
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this dude to come available. But

841
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: then I was like, the playoffs kept going. I'm like, shoot.

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Speaker 7: Fifteen sixteen, seventeen million, yeah, oh god, now you know,

843
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 7: and I think somebody would be willing to risk it

844
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 7: and probably go eighteen twenty and that Christian Wilkins range

845
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 7: because we remember that big deal the race did for

846
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 7: Christian Wilkins to bring him over and.

847
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Speaker 3: Then and as good as he is, he's not that.

848
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 3: He is not that, he is not that.

849
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: And so you're saying, we get a little bit more

850
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: and we get a guy we don't have to worry

851
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 2: about weight issues every single week. And we also saw

852
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 2: Christie Wilkes that injured. Yeah, and so that's another thing

853
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: you have to wear about the tread on the tire.

854
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: And I think Milton's young enough that he still has

855
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: that value. So that's going to only drive the upside.

856
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 2: He was probably my prime guy I would have wanted,

857
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: you know, four weeks ago, you know, at the top

858
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: of my list. I think he's fallen down because I

859
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: think he's priced himself out of it because of his success.

860
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh, what the other Eagles sweat? The other Eagles

861
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: lineman is. He's only twenty eight, he's played seven seasons,

862
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Speaker 1: he's a free agent, had a big year. He had

863
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: eleven sax season before he could be another guy's probably

864
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: gonna get somewhere, you know, based on the Super Bowl,

865
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Speaker 1: Gonna get a big deal out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I mean, you know, and then the rest

867
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Speaker 2: of you guys are under contract for the Eagles, right

868
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Speaker 2: except for Bond What that's the one I kind of

869
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: struggle with. I I don't know if he fits really

870
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: good This year he was really good.

871
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if he necessarily fits our system. I'm

872
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: not saying for but I'm just saying what the Eagles

873
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 3: are gonna like.

874
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: Everybody's like, as soon as the.

875
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 4: Super Bowl is over, you immediately see odds on who's

876
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 4: gonna be who's gonna be the champion next year? And

877
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 4: it's always the repeat champion, always as if they're gonna

878
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: lose nothing in the offseason. And if you look at

879
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: the teams, I think it was over the cap. Put

880
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 4: out a chart a couple last week. It was the

881
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 4: teams who have cap space versus winning and all that stuff,

882
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 4: And all the teams in the lower portion were the

883
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 4: teams who had won. On the lower right hand side,

884
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: we're teams that had won a lot of games, but

885
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: we're also in a little bit of cap hell. We're

886
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: all the teams that were in the Eagles, the Ravens,

887
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 4: the Chiefs, these are all teams that don't have a

888
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: ton of cap space. They're gonna lose more than they

889
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 4: gain in the offseason. And so but the Steelers and

890
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: some of the other teams, Washington was in that upper quadrant.

891
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 2: Because they unloaded. They unloaded all of their defensive end talent, right,

892
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 2: and that dropped a lot of their salary. And now

893
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 2: what are they trying to do, Jonathan Allen, You're trying

894
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: to offload him, and you're like, well, we can get better.

895
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: We don't necessarily need the top tier guys because once again,

896
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 2: you have a quarter at the quarterback. Just like Jeff

897
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: Hopson just said, as long as you got Joe Burrow,

898
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: you got a shot. Well now they got Jayden Daniels.

899
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 2: So like we got a shot. We can go younger,

900
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: we can go more draft and develop versus having to

901
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: bring in the established guy. And I think the Steelers

902
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 2: we're in a unique position because, like you said, we're

903
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: not paying that top tier quarterback. We're not in cap

904
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 2: hell like a Pat Mahomes, a Joe Burrow and Lamar

905
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 2: Jackson and everybody else. We have some fringible but we

906
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: still got to get quarterback situated. It's settled first, but

907
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: we have more room that we can go get a

908
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 2: free agent, But it has to be the right free

909
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: agent value wise, because there's a couple of other holes

910
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 2: you want to fill in that D line and you

911
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 2: want to give yourself flexibility in space. The problem is

912
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: if you bring in like a Milton Williams, you lose

913
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: that flexibility. You become a lot rigid and more rigid

914
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: if you make that decision, And then what does that

915
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: mean cost wise on the offensive side, going after a

916
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: quarterback talent that you might want to have in here

917
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: available that's competitive but not top top echelon.

918
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 4: That's the thing that guys that that kind of everybody

919
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 4: always says, wait till next year to get your quarterback.

920
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: Next year's quarterback draft class is a great one.

921
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 4: Well, we looked back a couple of weeks ago at

922
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: the preseason, the preseason first round mock draft heading into

923
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 4: the season that they did on ESPN, and then number

924
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 4: one overall pick in that draft.

925
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: This is again, this is in September. Yeah, it was

926
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 3: Carson Beck. He's not even in this draft. He's not

927
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: in the draft.

928
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: Quity yours was number two.

929
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: He's not even at the same school exactly, he got pay.

930
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: First round money, stayed in school.

931
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 4: You can't assume that next year's draft is going to

932
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 4: be this or that. I mean the Penn State kid

933
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: everybody talked about he was gonna come out, He's gonna

934
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 4: come out. He decided to go back because it's being

935
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: it's too lucrative for these guys to do it.

936
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: Now, and think about this next year's guy, quote unquote

937
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 2: Arch Manning.

938
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: He could stay.

939
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 2: He could stay, and he could get paid the same

940
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: he would have gotten paid to come out in the

941
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: draft if Carson Beck got four million, yeah exactly.

942
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 3: If Carson's not got.

943
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 2: Four million, he might get eight. Yes, he's really good. Yeah,

944
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 2: he's really good. And then you think about another kid,

945
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: you know that's not draft eligible, but he messes things up.

946
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: DJ Lagway from Florida, right, that kid, and he stayed.

947
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: He didn't, he didn't. He didn't jump ship like a

948
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: lot of kids.

949
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 2: And I think that's the other thing that we that

950
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: we don't pay attention to enough, is the desire for

951
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: these kids to stay in school and get better. You

952
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: know this no longer one year flash in the pan.

953
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: Now I'm gone once I've proven that I could have

954
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: one good year. You know, these kids are like, well,

955
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: I could stay in school, because I'm getting compensated very nicely.

956
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: I don't have to worry about you know, restricted free

957
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: agency or anything like that. I'm just a free agent

958
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 2: to the highest bidder. So now these kids come in

959
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: with a little bit more of you know, not to

960
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: say they're desire levels down, but they're not hurting and

961
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: that hunger is not there to try and make it happen.

962
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: They can take their time. I mean, think about this,

963
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: how many years has Cam Rising been on the draft

964
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: board and he has not been in the draft for Utah.

965
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,240
Speaker 2: This kid's gonna have three PhDs. He's probably probably assistant

966
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: professor ing at Utah right now and has a family

967
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: with like three kids.

968
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: Tanner Shuck that I mentioned before has five degrees. Ye exactly.

969
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 4: He's gonna be twenty six years old in September. I

970
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: don't care because he's a quarterback. Yeah exactly. He could play.

971
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 4: He could play a dozen years in the NFL.

972
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,399
Speaker 3: R five degrees, might get his ARP card.

973
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,280
Speaker 4: He's teaching classes exactly five degrees.

974
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: Five degrees. That's crazy, that's great.

975
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: But but yeah, but and this is kind of the

976
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: last year of that, right, This is the last year

977
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: of those A lot of the COVID exemption players because

978
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: you know, we've obviously seen medical red shirts get get

979
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: very very loose and liberal.

980
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 3: Now there was a kid in Miami who was twenty

981
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 3: eight to the tight end. Yeah, what I'll say this.

982
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 2: The number one team in the country in basketball Auburn

983
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 2: their average age is twenty four years old on their

984
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 2: basketball roster.

985
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: There are NBA teams that are younger than that.

986
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: The top team in the NBA their average age is

987
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 2: twenty three. Auburn's team is older than the OKC Thunders team.

988
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: So you know this is the So we're in a

989
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 2: new era of football to where guys can be four

990
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 2: or five years that you can get more maturity out

991
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: of them.

992
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 3: You can't.

993
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 4: You can't assume that this exactly.

994
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 3: But you gotta take advantage of what you have this

995
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 3: year and attack, attack today.

996
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 2: Right, we always talk about Tomorrow's not promised, same approach,

997
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 2: and he needs to go in this draft. If he's there,

998
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: you like him, take him, let's not quibble over it.

999
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: Where they go. If you need him, there is a

1000
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 2: need go get that guy.

1001
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Now, I agree with you. And if you have to

1002
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: trade up to go get him, go get.

1003
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: Them, Go get it and because like you said, next

1004
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: year is not promised and the wait and see approach

1005
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: that that that term, that that ideology is now out

1006
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: the window with the way that the the transfer portal

1007
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: is now. If you cap things, you know, you start

1008
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: you actually put a salary cap because we're seeing more

1009
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: and more GM types creep into the collegiate level. Right,

1010
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 2: where's Kevin Colbert going and what is he operating as?

1011
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: Right?

1012
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: What are some of the bigger schools now starting to

1013
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 2: incorporate is creating these cap manager GM types into it,

1014
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: because like you said, it doesn't is gonna come a

1015
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: point where they're going to cap it like the NCAA,

1016
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: federal somebody's going to come in and cap those things.

1017
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: I mean, you have other people to.

1018
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: Save themselves from themselves.

1019
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's the wild, wild West, right, you know,

1020
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: you you must create law in a lawless time, and

1021
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: right now it's a lawless time in college football.

1022
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: Well, fellas, I have to leave. I'm done with my

1023
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: little ship. But you guys are gonna go for the

1024
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: next three hours. Matt Williamson at all is that it Williamson,

1025
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: joins Dale and Max. They will take you right up

1026
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: until five o'clock. I will be back tomorrow, I guess

1027
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: with the same crew, right, absolute, yeah, yeah yeah. I

1028
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: always always enjoy being with you fellas. Our coverage from

1029
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: the NFL com in Indianapolis. We'll continue right after this,

1030
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,879
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1031
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