WEBVTT - NOLA D.A.: ARREST NOEM, HOMAN, FOR CHILD TRAFFICKING - 4.28.25

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<v Speaker 1>Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Orleans

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<v Speaker 1>Parish District's Attorney Jason Williams must indict and issue arrest

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<v Speaker 1>warrants for the White House ICE henchman Tom Holman and

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<v Speaker 1>his boss ICE director Todd Lyons and his boss, Homeland

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<v Speaker 1>Security Secretary Christy Nome now with eight action dress up outfits,

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<v Speaker 1>and for that matter, for her boss, President Donald ted

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<v Speaker 1>Bundy Trump. The charges Attorney General Williams must bring someone

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<v Speaker 1>estimated there could be twenty seven different charges include kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>of a United States citizen, deprivation of Fifth and fourteenth

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<v Speaker 1>Amendment rights, and child trafficking. Because Trump and Nome and

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<v Speaker 1>Lions and Homan and the agents involved, and in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the entire of Trump's government of the undead, by the

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<v Speaker 1>undead for the undead, kidnapped a two year old child,

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<v Speaker 1>a native of this country, a native of Louisiana, a

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<v Speaker 1>native of New Orleans and Friday. They deported her, renditioned her,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact to Honduras because they were sending her Honduran

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<v Speaker 1>born mother there, and the mother allegedly wanted the child

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<v Speaker 1>with her, although there is mounting circumstantial evidence that this

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<v Speaker 1>is untrue, that this is a Trump administration lie designed

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<v Speaker 1>to cover up the fact that somebody disconnected a call

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<v Speaker 1>from the mother to the child's father as he frantically

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<v Speaker 1>began to talk about getting lawyers involved. No hearing, no lawyers,

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<v Speaker 1>no ethics, no responsibility, no morality, no attempt to verify

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<v Speaker 1>whether a note about the mother's intent written in Spanish

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<v Speaker 1>was actually written by her, or even that it exists,

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<v Speaker 1>not even time for the father to talk to the

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<v Speaker 1>mother for more than one minute before Trump's gestapo broke

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<v Speaker 1>virtually every law and violated virtually every word of the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>and the toddler, identified only by her initials VML, was

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<v Speaker 1>not alone. Two mothers and three young children were disappeared

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<v Speaker 1>out of New Orleans late last week, according to the

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<v Speaker 1>ACLU of New Orleans. The ACLU says all are US citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>The ACLU says one of the children four years old

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<v Speaker 1>as a rare form of cancer in stage four, and

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<v Speaker 1>the child was deported without medical consultation and without their medication.

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<v Speaker 1>The ACLU says one of the mothers is pregnant. It

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<v Speaker 1>is child trafficking, Mister Attorney General. People need to be arrested,

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<v Speaker 1>Mister Attorney General. That is your job, sir, and you

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<v Speaker 1>are a Democrat, therefore you are not a Trump whore.

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<v Speaker 1>His bullies need to be metaphorically kicked in the groin

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<v Speaker 1>because the United States of America is now officially kidnapping

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<v Speaker 1>its own infants one's born in this country and with

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<v Speaker 1>the full rights of citizenship, and sending them to foreign

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<v Speaker 1>countries on hearsay. And you, mister Attorney General, are an

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<v Speaker 1>official of the government of the fifty third largest city

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<v Speaker 1>in this country, and one of your constituents was just kidnapped,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's two years old, and you goddamn better do

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<v Speaker 1>something about it. Indict them and have them arrested, preferably

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<v Speaker 1>dragged into court in New Orleans by their feet. More practically,

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<v Speaker 1>indict them and issue warrants for their arrest, knowing full

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<v Speaker 1>well that dress up Barbie Nome would ever be seen

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<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana again if you do this, nor will the others.

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<v Speaker 1>But you can drag in the local ice goons, and

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<v Speaker 1>even if the whole thing gets thrown out in two hours,

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<v Speaker 1>you will have at least done something to indicate that

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<v Speaker 1>democracy is going to fight back. And after we have

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<v Speaker 1>seen that Trump's fascists are not just fascists, they are

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<v Speaker 1>worse than we expected. You will show we are not

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<v Speaker 1>going to continue to roll over as the degenerates in

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<v Speaker 1>Ice now reportedly go on to a military base and

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<v Speaker 1>grab a serviceman's immigrant wife while she is on duty

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<v Speaker 1>at sea, and while the kilmar Abrego Garcias and the

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<v Speaker 1>gay hairdressers, and the two year old New Orleans girl

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<v Speaker 1>known by the initials VML, and the four year old

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans girl with cancer get disappeared like we were

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<v Speaker 1>living in Chile in nineteen seventy three. If the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>administration of Nazi adjacents can make up a law to

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<v Speaker 1>allow them to walk into a Wisconsin courtroom and arrest

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<v Speaker 1>a local judge because she would not hand over someone

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<v Speaker 1>who was there in her court room to receive actual

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<v Speaker 1>American justice hand that person over to a bunch of

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<v Speaker 1>armed thugs, then the Ice thugs in New Orleans are

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<v Speaker 1>fair game for arrests, as is the leadership, as is

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<v Speaker 1>the painting witch Gnome, as is the psychopath at the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the dictatorship, And whoever arrested the Milwaukee judge

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<v Speaker 1>should themselves be arrested for obstructing illegal proceeding and menacing

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<v Speaker 1>an officer of the court. Just consider the raw facts

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<v Speaker 1>of the abduction of VML as if it were in

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<v Speaker 1>the prism of inside the Trump cult, an innocent two

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<v Speaker 1>year old American girl stolen by her Honduran mother and

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<v Speaker 1>taken to Honduras and nobody stopped them, they would indict

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<v Speaker 1>Hillary Clinton. In an America where the judges are subject

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<v Speaker 1>to arrest by Ice as part of Stephen Miller's paranoid

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<v Speaker 1>fever dream that we are under attack by by anybody,

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<v Speaker 1>then Gnome and Trump and the rest of these shit

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<v Speaker 1>stains are also subject to arrest as part of a gang,

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<v Speaker 1>a kidnapping gang, a human trafficking gang. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously the case in New Orleans would be better handled

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<v Speaker 1>by the Louisiana Attorney General Liz Morrill. But all you

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<v Speaker 1>need out of her bio to abandon all hope is

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<v Speaker 1>former Executive Council to Governor Bobby Jindall. I don't know, Madam,

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<v Speaker 1>Attorney General. Surprise me. The judge in the case of VML,

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<v Speaker 1>who tried to stop this horror, who protested this, who

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<v Speaker 1>publicized this, is Terry Dowdy, the chief judge of the U.

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<v Speaker 1>S District Court of the Western District of Louisiana. And

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<v Speaker 1>he is not only a Trump appointee, but he is

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<v Speaker 1>such a Trump appointee that he wrote that he had

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<v Speaker 1>become aware independently that by the time he tried to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to the mother in the case, the plane she

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<v Speaker 1>was in was already quote above the Gulf of America

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<v Speaker 1>unquote even he gets it. Judge Dowdy also scheduled a

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<v Speaker 1>hearing for sixteen May quote in the interest of dispelling

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<v Speaker 1>our strong suspicion that the government just deported a US

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<v Speaker 1>citizen with no meaningful process, and just for that tears

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<v Speaker 1>of gratitude well in my eyes. But no, Trump, don't

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<v Speaker 1>do anything about the US born child with cancer you

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<v Speaker 1>just sent to Honduras without even a hearing. Don't do

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<v Speaker 1>anything about VML now arrest the judge in Wisconsin trying

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<v Speaker 1>to keep people, any people. I don't give it f

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<v Speaker 1>where they were born, out of the hands of these sadists.

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<v Speaker 1>You have given uniforms and weapons too. Don't question that

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<v Speaker 1>report Publican senators, don't question that Speaker Mike Closets Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>don't question that flag waving imbeciles, kidnapping American babies with

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<v Speaker 1>cancer and arresting the judges who try to stop such

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<v Speaker 1>moral cannibalism as you and Trump march towards ethnic cleansing

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<v Speaker 1>in America. Remember, Republicans, as this unfolds, before the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of us stop you, your only hope is that all

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<v Speaker 1>or most of the world's religions are wrong, because if

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<v Speaker 1>they are not wrong, you are all going to hell.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, as ever, the cruelty, the moral cannibalism is

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<v Speaker 1>the point. After Judge Dugan in Milwaukee was arrested, the

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<v Speaker 1>second choice attorney general, the one who, by the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist's own definition, is a dei hire, Pam Bondi went

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<v Speaker 1>out and said of America's judges, the judges the backbone

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<v Speaker 1>of our nation and the group that includes the shrinking

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<v Speaker 1>subset of those officials who actually put the law first

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<v Speaker 1>in this country. Bondi said, quote, they are deranged. She insisted,

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<v Speaker 1>we are sending a very strong message. We will come

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<v Speaker 1>after you, and we will prosecute you. We will find you.

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<v Speaker 1>It amazes me even now as I read this that

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<v Speaker 1>Pam Bondy and the others who have applauded the arrest

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<v Speaker 1>of one judge and the placing of symbolic crosshairs over

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<v Speaker 1>the lives of all the other judges in the country,

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<v Speaker 1>including the ones they like. Bondy and the other idiots

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<v Speaker 1>have not once considered that the road they are on,

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<v Speaker 1>the road to complete authoritarianism, where all the judges serve

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<v Speaker 1>only if they rubber stamp all the Trump commandments. That

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<v Speaker 1>road goes across countless bridges that may or may not

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<v Speaker 1>support them, or may or may not still be there,

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<v Speaker 1>or may or may not even exist. What happens to you, Pambondi,

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<v Speaker 1>What happens to you Cash Patel? What happens to you

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Holman? If you don't get to the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of that goddamned bridge. What is the one thing you

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<v Speaker 1>are guaranteed to see when Trump falls and America is

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<v Speaker 1>restored to the United States of America? What is the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing you will see a judge? I haven't spent

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time in courtrooms in my life, thank goodness,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did once sue the company part owned by

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<v Speaker 1>the former Vice President of the United States for the

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<v Speaker 1>fifty million dollars he and his co owner owed me.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the many pieces of advice one of

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<v Speaker 1>my lawyers gave me that led to such a gloriously

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<v Speaker 1>successful outcome there was don't piss off the judge. But

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<v Speaker 1>for now, of course, pissing off the judge is Pambondi's purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>the first purpose of her useless, bleached fifty six years

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<v Speaker 1>long or more life, Pissing them off and moreover, scaring them,

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<v Speaker 1>Scaring the judges by arresting one in Wisconsin, Scaring their

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<v Speaker 1>own staff by firing their senior trade official, George Bogden

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<v Speaker 1>because he went to Les Taylor's wedding six years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>Scaring political opponents by ordering the investigation of the pro

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<v Speaker 1>democracy fundraising outlet Act Blue, Scaring would be donors to

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<v Speaker 1>the campaigns of actual American candidates by twisting the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that Act Blues sight successfully caught and rejected foreign donation

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<v Speaker 1>attempts and turning that into an international influence plot, as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to Trump just taking billions directly in international influence

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<v Speaker 1>through his companies and the gyrations of the stock market.

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<v Speaker 1>Scaring those who would defend those persecuted by Ice and

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<v Speaker 1>the other Trump brownshirts by having rapacious idiots like Sebastian

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<v Speaker 1>Gorka claimed that defending them is aiding and abetting criminals,

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<v Speaker 1>Scaring the actual leaders of the opposition party, like Representative

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<v Speaker 1>Acasio Cortes, by virtually accusing them of the crime of

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<v Speaker 1>defending the accused and having your own propaganda outlets literally

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<v Speaker 1>accuse them of that and scaring those who would speak

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<v Speaker 1>out against Trump in any way by circling back to

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<v Speaker 1>that idiot Gorka's claim that to do so is sudging

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<v Speaker 1>with the tedodists. These will fail. These will fail. We

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<v Speaker 1>will not be scared. We will be enraged. These will fail,

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<v Speaker 1>And the Bondies and the Gnomes and the Gorkas will

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<v Speaker 1>be charged for whatever laws they may have broken, and

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<v Speaker 1>they will get defense attorneys, and we will not try

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<v Speaker 1>to prosecute the defense attorneys, and they will get defenders,

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<v Speaker 1>and we will not try to prosecute those who defend

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<v Speaker 1>them in public. And they will be charged by the

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<v Speaker 1>people they are now trying to scare, and they will

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<v Speaker 1>come before judges, hopefully Judge Dougan. I would settle for

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<v Speaker 1>Judge Doughty. But their real threat here is that in

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<v Speaker 1>the time before they fail, they will succeed in chilling

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<v Speaker 1>the debate. Those for whom the consequences can be real

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<v Speaker 1>and devastating may hesitate to fight back on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>justice and the law and the nation, journalists in a

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<v Speaker 1>time of corporate journalistic failure and cowardice and greed, judges

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<v Speaker 1>in a time of political assassination threats by the right

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<v Speaker 1>and that other most dangerous group to the far right

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<v Speaker 1>two and four year old Americans from New Orleans. The

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<v Speaker 1>Trump terrorism is that the hesitation will be enough to

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<v Speaker 1>give Trump the time to do as much damage to

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<v Speaker 1>this country as possible, because that is how he should

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<v Speaker 1>be perceived and reported on. It doesn't matter if he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing this damage on behalf of another nation. Doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>if he has reached the nineteen eighty four stage and

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<v Speaker 1>decided the object of power is power. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>if he's doing it because he's insane. It doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 1>why he's destroying the nation. It only matters that he

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<v Speaker 1>is destroying the nation and depending on institutions and individuals

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<v Speaker 1>that would defend that nation to fold. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they will fold, ask Zuckerberg and Bezos and

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<v Speaker 1>the Washington Post and Columbia University and ABC and Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Iger and CBS, which is reportedly going to let a

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<v Speaker 1>mediator judge Trump's lawsuit this week. The one demanding bribes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry the one demanding damages because the sixty minutes

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<v Speaker 1>interview of Kamala Harris damaged him in the election that

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<v Speaker 1>he checks Notes one. It remains irrelevant, but it is

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<v Speaker 1>explanatory and could be useful. The other possibility that Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is destroying this nation because those around him are not

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<v Speaker 1>letting him see the new Associated Press poll where his

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<v Speaker 1>approval is thirty nine and his net approval disapproval is

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<v Speaker 1>now nineteen points underwater, and all the specific policy measures

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<v Speaker 1>are underwater, and he is instead being told he really

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<v Speaker 1>is saving this nation, and his semi human mind seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to process the value of being perceived

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<v Speaker 1>as savior. That they are telling him these things. Over

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<v Speaker 1>here in the real world, we call this lying to

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<v Speaker 1>him was underscored anew by this batshit crazy interview with

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<v Speaker 1>Time Magazine. I mean batshit crazy, even in the Trump

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<v Speaker 1>world of twenty four to seven. Batshit crazy. I could

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<v Speaker 1>parse this for literally weeks, but the Time magazine interview

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<v Speaker 1>suggests that the primary rule in the new Trump crazy

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<v Speaker 1>machine is to tell him whatever is likely as to

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<v Speaker 1>keep him from yelling at you. The Supreme Court ruled

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<v Speaker 1>nine nothing that in the case of kilmar Abrego Garcia,

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<v Speaker 1>the administration had to facilitate and effectuate the Maryland father's

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<v Speaker 1>return with a deadline of three weeks ago. Today, since

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<v Speaker 1>it has done the exact opposite, Trump was asked by

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<v Speaker 1>Time magazine if he is therefore disobeying the Supreme Court,

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<v Speaker 1>which he is. Quote, that's not what my people told me.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't say it was. They said it was the

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<v Speaker 1>nine to nothing was entirely different. Clearly, they never told

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<v Speaker 1>him about the facilitate and effectuate part. Only that the

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<v Speaker 1>court did not literally use a phrase like we ordered

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<v Speaker 1>Trump to bring him back to the United States immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>These moments of clarity clarity about how they are handling Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>not clarity from Trump, for God's sakes, they fall from

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<v Speaker 1>the Time interview like dust falling off the top shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote one final question, mister President, you were showing us

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<v Speaker 1>the new paintings you have behind us. You put all

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<v Speaker 1>these new portraits. One of them includes John Adams. John

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<v Speaker 1>Adams said, we're a government ruled by laws, not by men.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you agree with that? Trump? John Adams said that

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<v Speaker 1>where was the painting right here? We're a government ruled

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<v Speaker 1>by laws, not by men. Well, I think we're a

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<v Speaker 1>government ruled by law. But you know, somebody has to

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<v Speaker 1>administer the law. So therefore men, certainly, men and women

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<v Speaker 1>certainly play a role in it. I wouldn't agree with

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<v Speaker 1>it one hundred percent. We are a government where men

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<v Speaker 1>are involved in the process of law, and ideally you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have honest men like me. John Adams said

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<v Speaker 1>that where was the painting? Oh my god. On the

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<v Speaker 1>bright side, he seemed to know who John Adams was. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>You were harshly critical of what you called the weaponization

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<v Speaker 1>of the Justice Department under Biden. You recently signed memos. Well, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but you wouldn't be if this were Biden. Well, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, he wouldn't do an interview because he was

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<v Speaker 1>grossly incompetent time. We spoke to him last year, mister

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump. Huh, we spoke to him a year ago. Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>How did he do? Trump? You can read the interview yourself, Olderman.

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<v Speaker 1>As an aside, I wouldn't bet on that. Trump not

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<v Speaker 1>too good. I did read the interview. He didn't do well.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't do well at all. He didn't do well

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<v Speaker 1>at anything, And he cut that interview off to being

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of minutes, and you weren't asking questions like

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<v Speaker 1>you're asking me. Rule one of Trump, there's always a

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<v Speaker 1>nemesis when he has lost, failed, or has no other answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Just bring up the nemesis. When Trump started to go

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<v Speaker 1>crazy and run for president as revenge, it was against Obama,

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<v Speaker 1>so everything was Obama. Then he realized sometime during twenty

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen that he wasn't running against Obama. He was actually

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<v Speaker 1>running against somebody named Hillary Clinton who knew, so everything

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<v Speaker 1>became Hillary. Then he realized Biden was the front runner

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty, not Hillary. And since then, especially since

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<v Speaker 1>he lost to Biden, since Biden humiliated him, and since

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<v Speaker 1>therefore most of Trump is forever frozen in that moment

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<v Speaker 1>trying to undo the loss. Therefore, nemesis is now Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>This came up again about Ukraine. You remember his pathetic

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding at Putin which didn't work. I'm not happy with

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<v Speaker 1>the Russian strikes on Kiev, not necessary and very bad timing.

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<v Speaker 1>Vladimir stop, Vladimir stop. Having failed to settle Ukraine in

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<v Speaker 1>a day or let's see counting in the ninety nine

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<v Speaker 1>of them, he had to blame Biden. Let me parse

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<v Speaker 1>this next thing for the Biden part, and other notable inferences.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the truth social post ready about Ukraine quote,

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<v Speaker 1>this is sleepy Joe Biden's war, not mine. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's the Biden part already. It was a loser from

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<v Speaker 1>day one and should have never happened, and wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>happened if I were president at the time. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to clean up the mess that was left to

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<v Speaker 1>me by Obama and Biden, and what a mess it is.

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<v Speaker 1>With all that being said, there was no reason for

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<v Speaker 1>Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas, cities, and

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<v Speaker 1>towns over the last few days. Even Chuck Grassley had

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<v Speaker 1>written President Trump, please put the toughest of sanctions on Putin.

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<v Speaker 1>You ought to see from clear evidence that he is

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<v Speaker 1>playing America as a patsy. Back to the Trump tweet,

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<v Speaker 1>it makes me think that maybe Putin doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>stop the war. He's just tapping me along. CBS News

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<v Speaker 1>further shot its pants yesterday, putting the Russian Foreign Minister

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<v Speaker 1>Lavrov a snake on face the nation, seriously on face

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<v Speaker 1>the nation. I don't know if that was part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Sherry Redstone bribe deal with Trump, or if that

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<v Speaker 1>was Trump's reply from Putin, if Lavrov basically saying f

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<v Speaker 1>U Trump was Putin's way of saying I didn't like

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<v Speaker 1>that post, which ended, as you will recall, with him

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<v Speaker 1>suggesting that maybe Putin has to be dealt with differently

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<v Speaker 1>through banking or secondary sanctions. Too many people are dying.

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<v Speaker 1>This could be in summation, a setup for Putin to

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<v Speaker 1>allow Putin to propose his own deal in Ukraine, still

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<v Speaker 1>utterly unacceptable, but maybe ten percent less unacceptable than all

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<v Speaker 1>of his current demands. Whereupon Trump says he got Pootin

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<v Speaker 1>and to make a deal. Owen Zelensky rejected it. But ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps the most interesting thing in that entire post, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>the most frightening thing in that entire post, perhaps the

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<v Speaker 1>most revelatory thing in that entire post, is that one

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<v Speaker 1>phrase in there makes me think that maybe he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to stop the war, He's just tapping me along.

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<v Speaker 1>I am thirteen years younger than Trump, but I am

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<v Speaker 1>from the same metropolitan area. The generation before me grew

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<v Speaker 1>up here as his generation before him did. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to a private school that played sports against the military

0:24:51.755 --> 0:24:57.355
<v Speaker 1>school they were forced to send him to instead. Of

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<v Speaker 1>the Juvie Home juvenile detention Home. I went to Ivy

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<v Speaker 1>League University as he did, and for vastly different reasons.

0:25:08.275 --> 0:25:10.995
<v Speaker 1>I probably actually went to fewer classes than he did.

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<v Speaker 1>In my defense, I graduated in seven semesters. Also, I

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<v Speaker 1>cut a lot, and like him, I have lived in

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<v Speaker 1>New York or the immediate suburbs for roughly fifty three years,

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<v Speaker 1>including the last twenty four uninterruptedly. I have also studied

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<v Speaker 1>and loved language and slang and slanguage for the whole

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<v Speaker 1>of my life. And I have never before heard the

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<v Speaker 1>phrase he's just tapping me along, Nor can I find

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<v Speaker 1>any reference to it anywhere. I thought, well, maybe that's

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<v Speaker 1>a British expression. It is not. Maybe it translates from

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<v Speaker 1>the German or the Russian. It does not. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be a regional variant specific to Jamaica estates

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<v Speaker 1>in Queens, New York. It could be a variant of

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<v Speaker 1>the slang meaning of tapping. Tapping is a little sleeker

0:26:15.315 --> 0:26:20.235
<v Speaker 1>sounding version of blinking and related terms. But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard this phrase before. There's no evidence, if

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<v Speaker 1>you do a search for it, that anybody has ever

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<v Speaker 1>used this phrase before. I mean, anybody. Maybe it's pre Internet,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's a famous phrase from Queens in nineteen fifty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>But he writes it with the same confidence that everybody

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<v Speaker 1>knows what he means, in which he writes all his

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise simple, childish communications. There is no doubt in his

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<v Speaker 1>own quote mind unquote that everybody knows. Everybody says ten

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<v Speaker 1>times a day, He's just tapping me along. Martha, You're

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<v Speaker 1>just tapping me along. You're just tapping me along, Officer.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and I will so far unsuccessfully hold my

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<v Speaker 1>glee until this is confirmed that Trump has in fact

0:27:22.075 --> 0:27:29.755
<v Speaker 1>manufactured this phrase inside his disordered, damaged mind. If you

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<v Speaker 1>remember kofeve CoV f EFI was a major typo or

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<v Speaker 1>maybe narcole xp or maybe he was typing it out

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter, slipped, fell his head, hit send the end.

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<v Speaker 1>But tapping me along, that's from a language only Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has ever heard. I think his illness or injury or

0:27:57.715 --> 0:28:02.915
<v Speaker 1>malformation or whatever it is, might might might have just

0:28:03.115 --> 0:28:06.515
<v Speaker 1>reached the stage where he he is making up his

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<v Speaker 1>own words, speaking in tongues. Personal neologism, a phasia, accelerating

0:28:20.395 --> 0:28:27.235
<v Speaker 1>mental or intellectual malfunction. You know that moment when your

0:28:27.235 --> 0:28:38.875
<v Speaker 1>brain starts tapping you along. I have once been in

0:28:38.915 --> 0:28:45.635
<v Speaker 1>the company of a relative who was suffering from acute

0:28:45.675 --> 0:28:50.195
<v Speaker 1>attack of bipolarity and began to make up his own words.

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<v Speaker 1>It is one of the more terrifying things to have

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<v Speaker 1>ever witnessed. And even he did not say, you're just

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<v Speaker 1>tapping me along. Headlines on Day ninety nine of America

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<v Speaker 1>held hostage the Trump dictatorship. If the Canadian Liberals beat

0:29:07.355 --> 0:29:10.195
<v Speaker 1>the Conservatives in the election today, remember to thank Trump

0:29:10.915 --> 0:29:13.395
<v Speaker 1>and thank the fact that the creepy Conservative candidate has

0:29:13.395 --> 0:29:16.675
<v Speaker 1>some kind of weird iguana thing going where he can't

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<v Speaker 1>fully open his eyes. In the Maga answer to the

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<v Speaker 1>White House Correspondence dinner Saturday, like you needed to answer that,

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<v Speaker 1>the scum drank cocktails with what passes for witty names

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<v Speaker 1>in their world. None of them were named just tapping

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<v Speaker 1>me along, although I would have given them credit for

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<v Speaker 1>doing that. One of the drinks was called leakers and Liars,

0:29:40.555 --> 0:29:44.555
<v Speaker 1>meaning the Maga were drinking what happens when you take

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<v Speaker 1>a leak fitting And yes, Trump fell asleep at the

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<v Speaker 1>Pope's funeral, upright on camera, with his rubbery lips beginning

0:29:57.595 --> 0:30:05.235
<v Speaker 1>to slide apart and this week's Milania did not wake

0:30:05.355 --> 0:30:17.995
<v Speaker 1>him well. Given the choice, would you also of interest?

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<v Speaker 1>Here in this all new edition, Bill Maher comes back

0:30:20.195 --> 0:30:22.755
<v Speaker 1>at Larry David, saying Larry's implication that going to the

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<v Speaker 1>White House for dinner with Trump was like going to

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<v Speaker 1>the old Chancellery for dinner with Hitler. Bill says you

0:30:28.995 --> 0:30:32.915
<v Speaker 1>should never invoke Hitler and says Larry had insulted six

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<v Speaker 1>million dead Jews, which might be an answer if Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Maher had not made the exact same comparison on his

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<v Speaker 1>own show in twenty fifteen. That's next. This is Countdown.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Countdown with Keith Olberman still ahead. On this

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<v Speaker 1>all new edition of Countdown. Somebody wrote something in fond

0:31:19.835 --> 0:31:23.875
<v Speaker 1>remembrance of doctor Carl Sagan the other day and it

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<v Speaker 1>reminded me and I had forgotten about this that forty

0:31:27.795 --> 0:31:31.475
<v Speaker 1>seven years ago. Last week he won the Pulitzer Prize,

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<v Speaker 1>and when our radio station at Cornell called him on

0:31:34.835 --> 0:31:37.155
<v Speaker 1>the off chance he'd do an interview with us since

0:31:37.195 --> 0:31:40.875
<v Speaker 1>he was also at Cornell, he said yes, but only

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<v Speaker 1>if it's with your sportscaster Keith. I was nineteen totally unknown,

0:31:47.795 --> 0:31:52.275
<v Speaker 1>and he became the first famous person I ever interviewed.

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<v Speaker 1>Why he asked for me explained next in things I

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<v Speaker 1>promised not to tell. First of all, eve it or not,

0:32:01.595 --> 0:32:03.995
<v Speaker 1>there's still more new idiots to talk about the roundup

0:32:03.995 --> 0:32:07.035
<v Speaker 1>of the misgrints, orons and Dunning Kruger effects specimens who

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<v Speaker 1>constitute the latest other worst persons in the Cosmos world.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me dedicate this to Press Secretary Caroline Levitt. They

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<v Speaker 1>are talking about promoting her to a cabinet position. I

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<v Speaker 1>do not think it is a coincidence that this is

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<v Speaker 1>because perhaps her first name contains the letters of the

0:32:30.795 --> 0:32:36.635
<v Speaker 1>word lie and her last name contains the letters of

0:32:36.675 --> 0:32:42.915
<v Speaker 1>the word lie. Here's a tip to the news network

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<v Speaker 1>stop airing her so called press briefings live. Exceeding even

0:32:48.595 --> 0:32:52.115
<v Speaker 1>the Sean Spicers and Dana Perinos of this world, she

0:32:52.355 --> 0:32:56.235
<v Speaker 1>is lying well over half the time. It is pure

0:32:56.275 --> 0:33:04.195
<v Speaker 1>propaganda and racism and idiotic and moral cannibalism. As I

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<v Speaker 1>suggest earlier. Kudos to the BBC, which, after ninety plus

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<v Speaker 1>days of carrying these things lives, seems to have figured

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<v Speaker 1>out this whole idea and now just replays later on

0:33:16.115 --> 0:33:19.875
<v Speaker 1>anything she says that is either relevant or true. It's

0:33:19.955 --> 0:33:23.715
<v Speaker 1>usually about a twelve second clip. The domestic networks continue

0:33:23.755 --> 0:33:26.395
<v Speaker 1>to run it live at least on occasion because it

0:33:26.515 --> 0:33:32.115
<v Speaker 1>is the cheapest possible live programming. And in say MSNBC's case,

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<v Speaker 1>do you prefer this or forty five minutes of Katie Terror?

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<v Speaker 1>I have already submitted my answer to the judges. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the bronze works. It goes to Trump, President Scrooge McDuck himself.

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<v Speaker 1>He does something stupid or cheap or both, and his

0:33:52.635 --> 0:33:57.315
<v Speaker 1>stupid cheap supporters go crazy over it. He's installing two

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred foot flag poles at the White House to

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<v Speaker 1>further ruin the landscaping. All I know he intends to

0:34:06.115 --> 0:34:11.435
<v Speaker 1>put them one atop the other. But he's paying for

0:34:11.515 --> 0:34:19.635
<v Speaker 1>them himself. Oh boys, say the talking skunks of trump'sburrow, Oklahoma.

0:34:19.755 --> 0:34:25.475
<v Speaker 1>He's paying for them big flag polies himself. That must

0:34:25.555 --> 0:34:31.275
<v Speaker 1>be billions. Even a one hundred foot flagpole sells for

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<v Speaker 1>only twenty nine thousand dollars retail, so President Scrooge McDuck

0:34:37.555 --> 0:34:48.755
<v Speaker 1>is shelling out fifty eight grand. Wow, big spender if

0:34:48.755 --> 0:34:54.035
<v Speaker 1>he ever pays the bill. Listen, one hundred foot Flagpole

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<v Speaker 1>Company of Alexandria, Virginia or wherever get it in cash

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<v Speaker 1>up front. I'm just saying, maybe maybe nome and eight

0:35:06.235 --> 0:35:09.955
<v Speaker 1>action dress up sets. Maybe she has it in cash

0:35:10.435 --> 0:35:15.835
<v Speaker 1>in her wallet, in her bag. The runner up worser

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Martin, nominee for Gulag Meister of the Capitol Military

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<v Speaker 1>dis No, I'm sorry, nominee for US Attorney in DC

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<v Speaker 1>and serving now as Acting US Attorney in d C.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me just read this headline about Ed from the

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish Forward Quote exclusive. Trump nominee apologizes for praising Nazi

0:35:36.235 --> 0:35:41.915
<v Speaker 1>sympathizer while awaiting Senate confirmation hearing. US Attorney pick Ed

0:35:41.995 --> 0:35:45.595
<v Speaker 1>Martin said he was unaware of Timothy Hale Qsinelli's views

0:35:45.875 --> 0:35:53.315
<v Speaker 1>and white supremacist ties, which he now denounces. That headline,

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<v Speaker 1>Trump nominee apologizes for praising Nazi sympathizer while awaiting Senate

0:35:57.555 --> 0:36:01.795
<v Speaker 1>confirmation hearing. But did he do it in the hallway?

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I'd like to apologize. I have to

0:36:05.275 --> 0:36:07.395
<v Speaker 1>go in here in a minute, but I do apologize.

0:36:07.475 --> 0:36:12.635
<v Speaker 1>That's a headline New York Times. One of the keys

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<v Speaker 1>to never letting on that you are one of the

0:36:14.595 --> 0:36:19.235
<v Speaker 1>batties is to never ask any questions about the other batties.

0:36:20.315 --> 0:36:23.475
<v Speaker 1>Nor believe any of the answers that you are avoiding

0:36:23.515 --> 0:36:27.395
<v Speaker 1>in the first place. This guy Hale Cusinelli that ed

0:36:27.435 --> 0:36:32.435
<v Speaker 1>Martin first praised, then denounced while awaiting confirmation, then said

0:36:32.435 --> 0:36:35.635
<v Speaker 1>he knew nothing about him. That's the stupid looking kid

0:36:35.955 --> 0:36:39.555
<v Speaker 1>who tried to pose on the internet as Hitler with

0:36:39.635 --> 0:36:42.715
<v Speaker 1>the little mustache and the hair combed that way and

0:36:42.795 --> 0:36:46.195
<v Speaker 1>the hand at his chest. But instead of looking tough

0:36:47.035 --> 0:36:49.715
<v Speaker 1>or like a candidate for the Trump Cabinet, he just

0:36:49.755 --> 0:36:53.475
<v Speaker 1>wound up looking like one of the rejected actors in

0:36:53.555 --> 0:36:58.035
<v Speaker 1>the Producers and he might sink ed Martin. Good work,

0:36:58.075 --> 0:37:03.915
<v Speaker 1>baby Dolf, but our winner, same topic yet again, Bill.

0:37:05.835 --> 0:37:10.155
<v Speaker 1>Another way to avoid the consequences for doing something really, really,

0:37:10.315 --> 0:37:14.195
<v Speaker 1>really stupid is to change the narrative and pull a

0:37:14.195 --> 0:37:19.795
<v Speaker 1>bit of len aboutism against your critic. Mar went back

0:37:19.875 --> 0:37:22.635
<v Speaker 1>on the air and dragged Al Gore, for whom I

0:37:22.675 --> 0:37:25.275
<v Speaker 1>worked the living definition of the cliche the road to

0:37:25.315 --> 0:37:29.395
<v Speaker 1>Hell is paved with good intentions, dragged Gore into defending

0:37:29.475 --> 0:37:33.515
<v Speaker 1>Mar's Dinner with Air Trump. Mar also attacked Larry David

0:37:33.555 --> 0:37:35.955
<v Speaker 1>for his soon to be Pulitzer Prize winning satire My

0:37:36.075 --> 0:37:39.915
<v Speaker 1>Dinner with Adolph by trying to make Larry appear like

0:37:39.995 --> 0:37:44.715
<v Speaker 1>he's an anti Semite. No offense, Larry, but Bill would

0:37:44.715 --> 0:37:46.995
<v Speaker 1>have more success trying to make you appear like you're

0:37:46.995 --> 0:37:52.115
<v Speaker 1>a Boston Red Sox fan. In an interview with Piers Morgan,

0:37:52.635 --> 0:37:55.075
<v Speaker 1>which I assume Bill did just in case he had

0:37:55.075 --> 0:37:58.195
<v Speaker 1>not destroyed his career by going to have dinner with Trump,

0:37:58.715 --> 0:38:03.875
<v Speaker 1>mar said of Larry's epic evisceration of him, quote fans

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<v Speaker 1>de Ball, it's kind of insulting to six million dead Jews.

0:38:08.795 --> 0:38:12.715
<v Speaker 1>It's an argument you kind of lost just to start it. Look,

0:38:12.835 --> 0:38:16.595
<v Speaker 1>maybe it's not completely logically fair, but Hitler has really

0:38:16.715 --> 0:38:18.915
<v Speaker 1>kind of got to stay in his own place. He

0:38:19.075 --> 0:38:21.555
<v Speaker 1>is the goat of evil. We're just going to have

0:38:21.595 --> 0:38:24.355
<v Speaker 1>to leave it like that. I don't want to make

0:38:24.395 --> 0:38:27.395
<v Speaker 1>it constantly personal with me and Larry. We might be

0:38:27.515 --> 0:38:33.475
<v Speaker 1>friends again. Bill doesn't want to make that constantly personal.

0:38:33.555 --> 0:38:36.275
<v Speaker 1>But he just accused Larry David of insulting six million

0:38:36.315 --> 0:38:40.955
<v Speaker 1>dead Jews. Because that's not personal. It's comedy quoting again,

0:38:41.755 --> 0:38:44.475
<v Speaker 1>I can take a shot, and I can also take

0:38:44.475 --> 0:38:46.635
<v Speaker 1>it when people disagree with me. That's not exactly the

0:38:46.635 --> 0:38:48.795
<v Speaker 1>way I would have done it. Again. The irony, let's

0:38:48.795 --> 0:38:51.115
<v Speaker 1>go back to what my original thing was. There's got

0:38:51.155 --> 0:38:52.955
<v Speaker 1>to be a better way than hurling insults and not

0:38:53.075 --> 0:38:55.115
<v Speaker 1>talking to people. If I can talk to Trump, I

0:38:55.155 --> 0:39:00.835
<v Speaker 1>can talk to Larry David too. Wait so wait wait

0:39:00.835 --> 0:39:03.475
<v Speaker 1>wait wait wait wait wait. You don't want to hurl insults.

0:39:03.475 --> 0:39:07.395
<v Speaker 1>So you said, Larry insulting six million dead Jews. That's

0:39:07.435 --> 0:39:11.315
<v Speaker 1>not an insult. That's not personal. It's not an insult,

0:39:11.555 --> 0:39:17.635
<v Speaker 1>it's comedy. Gold another quote, This wasn't my favorite moment

0:39:17.675 --> 0:39:19.915
<v Speaker 1>of our friendship. I think the minute you play the

0:39:19.995 --> 0:39:23.515
<v Speaker 1>Hitler card, you've lost the argument. Come on, man, Hitler

0:39:23.835 --> 0:39:30.355
<v Speaker 1>nazis a hem from the transcript of HBO's Real Time

0:39:30.435 --> 0:39:36.395
<v Speaker 1>with Bill Maher the eighteenth of September two thousand and fifteen,

0:39:37.275 --> 0:39:40.675
<v Speaker 1>in which Bill Maher says, quote I try to resist

0:39:40.715 --> 0:39:43.995
<v Speaker 1>comparisons to Hitler because there's only one Hitler. He broke

0:39:44.035 --> 0:39:48.275
<v Speaker 1>them all. But you know what, if you're stirring up

0:39:48.355 --> 0:39:54.435
<v Speaker 1>xenophobic hate among an angry, humiliated population and talking about

0:39:54.515 --> 0:40:01.395
<v Speaker 1>rounding up minorities, it's a little Hitler adjacent talking about Trump.

0:40:02.155 --> 0:40:04.275
<v Speaker 1>And if you say, oh, he didn't compare Trump to

0:40:04.355 --> 0:40:08.075
<v Speaker 1>Hitler ten years ago, he just called him Hitler adjacent,

0:40:08.395 --> 0:40:11.795
<v Speaker 1>that's not comparing him. And then he responded to Larry

0:40:11.795 --> 0:40:13.955
<v Speaker 1>by saying, I think the minute you play the Hitler card,

0:40:13.955 --> 0:40:15.915
<v Speaker 1>you've lost the argument if you think those are not

0:40:16.155 --> 0:40:20.435
<v Speaker 1>exact matches. From the transcript of HBO's Real Time with

0:40:20.515 --> 0:40:25.235
<v Speaker 1>Bill Maher three weeks earlier, August twenty eight, twenty fifteen,

0:40:25.475 --> 0:40:28.635
<v Speaker 1>Bill Maher talks about Trump's rhetoric about China. Again, this

0:40:28.795 --> 0:40:32.835
<v Speaker 1>is nearly a decade ago. The anniversary party at the

0:40:32.875 --> 0:40:35.595
<v Speaker 1>Bill Mahers set will be August twenty eighth of this year.

0:40:36.635 --> 0:40:39.675
<v Speaker 1>On the show in August twenty eight, twenty fifteen, Mars says, quote,

0:40:40.035 --> 0:40:44.275
<v Speaker 1>that's the way Hitler talked about the Jews. See as

0:40:44.315 --> 0:40:47.075
<v Speaker 1>Bill has just demonstrated yet another way to avoid the

0:40:47.115 --> 0:40:52.355
<v Speaker 1>consequences for doing something really, really, really stupid is to

0:40:52.915 --> 0:40:56.835
<v Speaker 1>have completely forgotten you did the exact same thing yourself

0:40:57.195 --> 0:41:03.235
<v Speaker 1>on your own show in twenty fifteen. Bill. I know

0:41:03.275 --> 0:41:05.235
<v Speaker 1>you claim to have done a lot of drugs, but

0:41:05.315 --> 0:41:11.475
<v Speaker 1>that much drugs you don't remember twenty fifteen. Bill, when

0:41:11.515 --> 0:41:14.515
<v Speaker 1>somebody else compares Trump to Hitler, they've immediately lost the

0:41:14.635 --> 0:41:17.675
<v Speaker 1>argument and insulted six million dead Jews. But when I

0:41:17.835 --> 0:41:21.435
<v Speaker 1>compare Trump to Hitler, it's avant garde, edgy humor. Look

0:41:21.475 --> 0:41:24.795
<v Speaker 1>how far ahead of the curve? I was mar two

0:41:24.915 --> 0:41:50.235
<v Speaker 1>days other worst person. There's the word to the number

0:41:50.235 --> 0:41:52.795
<v Speaker 1>one story on the countdown and a change in mood

0:41:52.795 --> 0:41:56.715
<v Speaker 1>and a quick break. And the other day somebody mentioned

0:41:56.755 --> 0:42:02.555
<v Speaker 1>the work of doctor Carl Sagan. The name may ring

0:42:02.595 --> 0:42:05.955
<v Speaker 1>a bell. At one point, Carl Carl Sagan was easily

0:42:05.995 --> 0:42:10.395
<v Speaker 1>the most famous scientist in America, up there with doctor

0:42:10.515 --> 0:42:14.915
<v Speaker 1>Salk of the vaccine, up there with Freud. You name

0:42:14.995 --> 0:42:19.515
<v Speaker 1>the scientist. Carl Sagan was probably more famous because Carl

0:42:19.555 --> 0:42:22.715
<v Speaker 1>Sagan was on TV every couple of weeks. He was

0:42:22.795 --> 0:42:26.595
<v Speaker 1>also and that was the joke. He was also a

0:42:26.635 --> 0:42:31.675
<v Speaker 1>professor of astronomy and related sciences at Cornell University. When

0:42:31.715 --> 0:42:34.635
<v Speaker 1>I was a student there. I did not take his course.

0:42:35.075 --> 0:42:37.635
<v Speaker 1>I suppose I could have gotten into it. As it

0:42:37.675 --> 0:42:41.355
<v Speaker 1>turned out, he knew who I was. I'll get to

0:42:41.395 --> 0:42:45.475
<v Speaker 1>that story in a moment. This is about interviewing Carl Sagan.

0:42:46.355 --> 0:42:50.875
<v Speaker 1>I have interviewed a lot of famous people, and I

0:42:51.035 --> 0:42:54.395
<v Speaker 1>don't think of myself as a good interviewer. I don't

0:42:54.395 --> 0:42:57.755
<v Speaker 1>think of myself as an interviewer. I have to do it,

0:42:57.795 --> 0:42:59.995
<v Speaker 1>and I used to do three or four interviews a

0:43:00.155 --> 0:43:03.995
<v Speaker 1>night on my television shows, but I've never been comfortable

0:43:04.035 --> 0:43:07.235
<v Speaker 1>doing it. I often don't have any questions. I'm often

0:43:07.275 --> 0:43:10.475
<v Speaker 1>not interested in what the guest has to say. That's

0:43:10.515 --> 0:43:13.435
<v Speaker 1>why there has never been an actual guest here on

0:43:13.475 --> 0:43:17.195
<v Speaker 1>this podcast. I will break this President someday. We are

0:43:17.235 --> 0:43:21.355
<v Speaker 1>approaching the third anniversary as I record this, but I

0:43:21.395 --> 0:43:24.715
<v Speaker 1>haven't done it yet, have I Well, so it's easier

0:43:24.715 --> 0:43:27.475
<v Speaker 1>if it's just you, then you can say at the

0:43:27.555 --> 0:43:31.915
<v Speaker 1>end of it, all of it was my fault. I've interviewed,

0:43:31.915 --> 0:43:36.675
<v Speaker 1>as it turns out, six presidents, none of them while

0:43:36.755 --> 0:43:39.955
<v Speaker 1>they were president, either before or after, and for a

0:43:39.955 --> 0:43:42.275
<v Speaker 1>long time I used to say that my first president

0:43:42.355 --> 0:43:44.795
<v Speaker 1>was Ronald Reagan, who I interviewed in nineteen ninety two

0:43:45.355 --> 0:43:49.675
<v Speaker 1>on radio for ESPN about a football player who'd suffered

0:43:49.955 --> 0:43:54.595
<v Speaker 1>a damaging injury and a neck conclusion that left him briefly, thankfully,

0:43:54.635 --> 0:43:58.715
<v Speaker 1>briefly paralyzed, And the head of ESPN Radio was a

0:43:59.475 --> 0:44:02.475
<v Speaker 1>not that sophisticated sports fan who thought that we could

0:44:02.475 --> 0:44:06.115
<v Speaker 1>appeal to a non sports audience on sports stations around

0:44:06.155 --> 0:44:08.715
<v Speaker 1>the country on the weekends by having Ronald Reagan on

0:44:09.155 --> 0:44:12.435
<v Speaker 1>you forget in the context of the time nineteen ninety two,

0:44:12.915 --> 0:44:16.075
<v Speaker 1>Ronald Reagan got elected, Yes, because he was a reactionary

0:44:16.115 --> 0:44:18.875
<v Speaker 1>governor from California, and he'd been governor two times there.

0:44:18.995 --> 0:44:22.195
<v Speaker 1>And yes, he was a famous TV guy who hosted

0:44:22.715 --> 0:44:26.195
<v Speaker 1>a rather low grade TV show that appealed to low

0:44:26.235 --> 0:44:28.795
<v Speaker 1>grade people. And he was only the first of two

0:44:28.835 --> 0:44:31.755
<v Speaker 1>presidents who could be said to have done that. And

0:44:32.115 --> 0:44:34.995
<v Speaker 1>he was a sportscaster, and he was an iconic figure

0:44:35.035 --> 0:44:37.675
<v Speaker 1>from a couple of sports movies, the one about the Gipper.

0:44:37.835 --> 0:44:40.675
<v Speaker 1>The Gipper is from a sports movie. It's complete nonsense,

0:44:40.715 --> 0:44:43.555
<v Speaker 1>the story about the dying player George Gip, but it

0:44:43.555 --> 0:44:46.435
<v Speaker 1>gave him a sports context. So I interviewed Ronald Reagan,

0:44:46.595 --> 0:44:49.075
<v Speaker 1>and I had to tell the story in my questions

0:44:49.155 --> 0:44:51.195
<v Speaker 1>so he knew what I was talking about. That's nineteen

0:44:51.275 --> 0:44:53.835
<v Speaker 1>ninety two, he'd only been out of office three years,

0:44:53.875 --> 0:44:56.715
<v Speaker 1>and he was already insignificant decline that I had to

0:44:56.755 --> 0:44:59.875
<v Speaker 1>help him in the interview. Fortunately it was pre recorded.

0:45:01.635 --> 0:45:03.875
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed though, as it turned out, and I've told

0:45:03.875 --> 0:45:05.515
<v Speaker 1>the story and don't want want to go through it again.

0:45:05.555 --> 0:45:08.395
<v Speaker 1>I interviewed Trump in nineteen eighty three, and I will

0:45:08.475 --> 0:45:10.355
<v Speaker 1>recall this part of it and tell it to you

0:45:10.395 --> 0:45:14.355
<v Speaker 1>again that the cameraman on that shoot. I ran into

0:45:14.435 --> 0:45:18.275
<v Speaker 1>him maybe in twenty sixteen or seventeen after not seeing

0:45:18.355 --> 0:45:21.235
<v Speaker 1>him for decades, and he said, remember when we interviewed

0:45:21.235 --> 0:45:23.355
<v Speaker 1>that guy? And I went sure do. He goes, remember

0:45:23.395 --> 0:45:25.195
<v Speaker 1>what you said after we did the interview and I

0:45:25.195 --> 0:45:27.675
<v Speaker 1>went no. He said, well, we were walking back to

0:45:27.715 --> 0:45:29.555
<v Speaker 1>the truck and you didn't say anything, and we were

0:45:29.555 --> 0:45:32.235
<v Speaker 1>really worried because that was you. You always said something

0:45:32.555 --> 0:45:36.035
<v Speaker 1>all the time. I went, yeah, that's me. He said,

0:45:36.075 --> 0:45:38.195
<v Speaker 1>when we got back to the truck, you finally set

0:45:38.235 --> 0:45:40.875
<v Speaker 1>down the sticks the tripod which I was carrying, and

0:45:40.915 --> 0:45:44.355
<v Speaker 1>he said, you said, uh, what the f was wrong

0:45:44.395 --> 0:45:48.635
<v Speaker 1>with that guy? And that's all you said. Got that

0:45:48.715 --> 0:45:54.755
<v Speaker 1>one right. I later interviewed in order Obama when he

0:45:54.795 --> 0:45:57.235
<v Speaker 1>declared his candidac here just before he declared his candidacy

0:45:57.235 --> 0:45:58.755
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six. He was a live guest

0:45:58.795 --> 0:46:04.675
<v Speaker 1>on Countdown Obama and Biden at a Democratic semi debate

0:46:04.795 --> 0:46:07.755
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and seven Biden separately during the campaign

0:46:07.795 --> 0:46:11.555
<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and eight. I interviewed Bill Clinton several

0:46:11.595 --> 0:46:14.115
<v Speaker 1>times in two thousand and six, seven, eight, and I

0:46:14.155 --> 0:46:18.995
<v Speaker 1>think ten. And Jimmy Carter I met at the Democratic

0:46:19.115 --> 0:46:21.275
<v Speaker 1>National Convention in two thousand and eight and interviewed him

0:46:21.315 --> 0:46:23.115
<v Speaker 1>the first of many times. And as I've mentioned with

0:46:23.155 --> 0:46:27.515
<v Speaker 1>great pride, the late Jimmy Carter was a Countdown junkie.

0:46:27.555 --> 0:46:29.395
<v Speaker 1>He and his family used to watch every night and

0:46:29.395 --> 0:46:33.035
<v Speaker 1>would rearrange their schedules and sometimes DVR the show so

0:46:33.075 --> 0:46:35.195
<v Speaker 1>they could all watch at the same time, and they

0:46:35.235 --> 0:46:37.715
<v Speaker 1>would often pause it during the commercials so they could

0:46:37.715 --> 0:46:40.635
<v Speaker 1>have group discussions with people who weren't with them about

0:46:40.675 --> 0:46:44.795
<v Speaker 1>what they've just heard. If you ever need reassurance that

0:46:44.795 --> 0:46:47.595
<v Speaker 1>you know what you're doing, take it from Jimmy Carter.

0:46:48.075 --> 0:46:53.275
<v Speaker 1>I vaguely and viscerally understand why the people at Fox

0:46:53.395 --> 0:46:57.035
<v Speaker 1>News line up and Newsmax and the others line up

0:46:57.635 --> 0:47:04.195
<v Speaker 1>and so desperately respond to Trump's support and recognition of them.

0:47:04.235 --> 0:47:06.955
<v Speaker 1>I under stand it in a visceral sense. There is

0:47:07.035 --> 0:47:10.675
<v Speaker 1>a certain element of egotism involved in this. I felt

0:47:10.675 --> 0:47:16.115
<v Speaker 1>it myself about one hundred percent or so. I've interviewed

0:47:16.155 --> 0:47:21.275
<v Speaker 1>countless actors and actresses and movie stars and comedians, and

0:47:21.635 --> 0:47:24.795
<v Speaker 1>George Carlin by personal I don't know that he's the

0:47:24.835 --> 0:47:27.995
<v Speaker 1>most famous person I ever interviewed. But I interviewed Robert

0:47:27.995 --> 0:47:33.315
<v Speaker 1>Redford once and he was a viewer, and the indescribable happened.

0:47:33.355 --> 0:47:36.315
<v Speaker 1>We're having a great conversation about the environment. Robert Redford

0:47:36.395 --> 0:47:38.995
<v Speaker 1>is at his home in Colorado, and we're coming towards

0:47:39.035 --> 0:47:41.675
<v Speaker 1>the end of the show at nine o'clock and he's answering,

0:47:41.675 --> 0:47:44.635
<v Speaker 1>and he goes, excuse me, And I hadn't said anything.

0:47:45.155 --> 0:47:49.635
<v Speaker 1>Did somebody say, wrap the producer? Who will? I know

0:47:49.715 --> 0:47:52.235
<v Speaker 1>her name, but I'll leave her out of this. The

0:47:52.275 --> 0:47:57.755
<v Speaker 1>producer actually got in Robert Redford's ear during his final answer,

0:47:57.755 --> 0:48:00.195
<v Speaker 1>and rather than let him go thirty seconds long so

0:48:00.275 --> 0:48:02.995
<v Speaker 1>that the show would bleed over into the nine o'clock hour,

0:48:03.795 --> 0:48:09.435
<v Speaker 1>she tried to get Robert Redford to shut up. Otherwise,

0:48:09.435 --> 0:48:14.115
<v Speaker 1>a great interview, and all the athletes ali three times.

0:48:14.155 --> 0:48:18.395
<v Speaker 1>I think Mickey Mantle, I've told that story the interview

0:48:18.395 --> 0:48:21.195
<v Speaker 1>that ended with the comment that he made about how

0:48:21.235 --> 0:48:22.835
<v Speaker 1>if he'd known he was going to live, he would

0:48:22.835 --> 0:48:25.115
<v Speaker 1>have done better and tried harder. And I said, you

0:48:25.155 --> 0:48:27.515
<v Speaker 1>did pretty well, and he said, with the most remorse

0:48:27.555 --> 0:48:31.475
<v Speaker 1>I ever heard anybody say anything. I could have done more.

0:48:32.035 --> 0:48:34.235
<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness. And I knew when I did that

0:48:34.315 --> 0:48:37.075
<v Speaker 1>interview in Christmas Time nineteen eighty five, that that would

0:48:37.075 --> 0:48:39.755
<v Speaker 1>be the last SoundBite in the obituary I would do

0:48:39.875 --> 0:48:42.675
<v Speaker 1>for him whenever he passed. And it was a decade

0:48:42.755 --> 0:48:46.395
<v Speaker 1>later Willie Mays who answered the phone in the voice

0:48:46.555 --> 0:48:53.995
<v Speaker 1>of his own housekeeper, straight out of Gone with the Wind,

0:48:54.995 --> 0:48:57.635
<v Speaker 1>He did an impression of Hattie McDaniel. I will not

0:48:57.715 --> 0:49:00.115
<v Speaker 1>repeat it. And one of the greatest regrets I ever

0:49:00.155 --> 0:49:02.835
<v Speaker 1>had was that radio interview. I used to follow the

0:49:02.875 --> 0:49:04.955
<v Speaker 1>old rules, which is, don't record till they tell you

0:49:04.995 --> 0:49:08.235
<v Speaker 1>it's okay. So I did not record him answering the phone.

0:49:08.275 --> 0:49:10.835
<v Speaker 1>Everybody else would hit play and record while the phone

0:49:10.875 --> 0:49:13.235
<v Speaker 1>was ringing. I waited until he said it was okay,

0:49:13.395 --> 0:49:17.075
<v Speaker 1>and I missed having a copy of Willie Mays as

0:49:17.075 --> 0:49:21.555
<v Speaker 1>Hattie McDaniel as his own made and then dropping out

0:49:21.595 --> 0:49:23.555
<v Speaker 1>of that voice in mid sentence and going this is

0:49:23.555 --> 0:49:29.035
<v Speaker 1>Willie Ted Williams I interviewed in Boston. I mentioned Ali.

0:49:29.235 --> 0:49:31.395
<v Speaker 1>I once had to do Ali on the radio and

0:49:31.435 --> 0:49:34.275
<v Speaker 1>I had to basically repeat what he was saying, and

0:49:34.355 --> 0:49:38.315
<v Speaker 1>Ali nodded along like I got that right, And I

0:49:38.395 --> 0:49:41.955
<v Speaker 1>actually saw him several times thereafter, and we had friendly conversations,

0:49:41.955 --> 0:49:44.555
<v Speaker 1>one of which he never actually said anything out loud.

0:49:44.595 --> 0:49:47.235
<v Speaker 1>I just sort of heard him. I think through esp

0:49:47.355 --> 0:49:49.915
<v Speaker 1>and I don't believe in ESPA, but if it happened

0:49:49.955 --> 0:49:52.675
<v Speaker 1>in any context, that was the time it happened. So

0:49:52.715 --> 0:49:55.275
<v Speaker 1>I've done a lot of interviews, but to this day,

0:49:55.635 --> 0:49:59.835
<v Speaker 1>the most famous person I ever interviewed relatives, certainly to myself,

0:50:00.635 --> 0:50:04.755
<v Speaker 1>was doctor Carl Sagan. The Cosmo's series in the the

0:50:04.795 --> 0:50:10.635
<v Speaker 1>early eighties was one of the first American created in depth,

0:50:10.915 --> 0:50:16.355
<v Speaker 1>serious and entertaining scientific series in television history. It was

0:50:16.715 --> 0:50:19.155
<v Speaker 1>one of the most popular shows in television, even though

0:50:19.155 --> 0:50:21.955
<v Speaker 1>it was not on NBCABC or CBS, it was on PBS.

0:50:22.275 --> 0:50:25.595
<v Speaker 1>It made Carl Sagan, who was already a kind of

0:50:26.075 --> 0:50:31.595
<v Speaker 1>glib and tvgenic guy, it made him into a superstar

0:50:31.635 --> 0:50:34.075
<v Speaker 1>who appeared on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson every

0:50:34.075 --> 0:50:38.195
<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks. That was the joke in the late

0:50:38.275 --> 0:50:41.275
<v Speaker 1>seventies at Cornell it was yes, doctor Carl Sagan, the

0:50:41.515 --> 0:50:44.235
<v Speaker 1>head of the astronomy department at the Tonight Show, who

0:50:44.315 --> 0:50:47.275
<v Speaker 1>visits us here in his satellite office in Ithaca, New York.

0:50:47.915 --> 0:50:51.755
<v Speaker 1>Well that's what we all thought about. I didn't take

0:50:51.795 --> 0:50:54.275
<v Speaker 1>the class. I'd taken an astronomy class in high school,

0:50:54.315 --> 0:50:57.315
<v Speaker 1>and I could not shake the reality that, as great

0:50:57.355 --> 0:50:59.155
<v Speaker 1>as it was taught by one of my favorite high

0:50:59.195 --> 0:51:02.555
<v Speaker 1>school teachers, a man named Randy McNaughton. The class started,

0:51:02.555 --> 0:51:06.395
<v Speaker 1>if I remember correctly, at eleven twenty five, and the

0:51:06.435 --> 0:51:08.355
<v Speaker 1>first thing he would do would be shut off the lights.

0:51:08.395 --> 0:51:10.275
<v Speaker 1>And this is a bunch of kids who probably didn't

0:51:10.315 --> 0:51:12.915
<v Speaker 1>need a big breakfast, including me, who were waiting for lunch.

0:51:13.355 --> 0:51:16.515
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many times I fell asleep during

0:51:16.555 --> 0:51:19.035
<v Speaker 1>that class, not because it was bad, but because I

0:51:19.115 --> 0:51:23.475
<v Speaker 1>was so hungry. I was basically briefly starving. You wouldn't

0:51:23.475 --> 0:51:25.995
<v Speaker 1>know it to look at me, but I was, and

0:51:26.075 --> 0:51:27.715
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't want to take it. And knowing me

0:51:27.795 --> 0:51:31.435
<v Speaker 1>at the time, you know, I wasn't going to take

0:51:31.475 --> 0:51:34.395
<v Speaker 1>a tough course. What's the point of that. I'm here

0:51:34.435 --> 0:51:38.275
<v Speaker 1>to get the degree. So in any event, I went

0:51:38.275 --> 0:51:43.115
<v Speaker 1>and look this up. It was Monday, April seventeenth, nineteen

0:51:43.275 --> 0:51:47.715
<v Speaker 1>seventy eight, and I was at WVBR at Cornell in

0:51:47.835 --> 0:51:51.875
<v Speaker 1>late afternoon preparing my sports cast in our big time

0:51:52.035 --> 0:51:58.395
<v Speaker 1>thirty minute World newscast and that we did every day

0:51:58.435 --> 0:52:01.235
<v Speaker 1>and was a pretty good newscast world report, and I

0:52:01.275 --> 0:52:03.875
<v Speaker 1>did the sports cast most nights as the sports director

0:52:03.875 --> 0:52:06.395
<v Speaker 1>of the station. And I'm just sitting there looking at

0:52:06.435 --> 0:52:08.675
<v Speaker 1>the wire copy and looking at the local news that

0:52:08.715 --> 0:52:11.315
<v Speaker 1>we might put in the sportscast. And it was an

0:52:11.395 --> 0:52:14.675
<v Speaker 1>ordinary day at the beginning of spring, this time of

0:52:14.755 --> 0:52:17.475
<v Speaker 1>year in nineteen seventy eight. I was nineteen years old.

0:52:18.395 --> 0:52:20.995
<v Speaker 1>Didn't have aspirations to do anything other than sports. I

0:52:21.035 --> 0:52:23.595
<v Speaker 1>had done news for the station. I had done live

0:52:23.675 --> 0:52:26.875
<v Speaker 1>reporting for the station, in news and in sports, but

0:52:26.955 --> 0:52:29.915
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have any aspirations to be an interviewer or

0:52:29.955 --> 0:52:33.075
<v Speaker 1>anything else. When the newscaster on duty that day says,

0:52:34.595 --> 0:52:36.795
<v Speaker 1>are you up for interviewing Carl Sagan? He just won

0:52:36.835 --> 0:52:40.315
<v Speaker 1>the Pulitzer Prize, And I went sure and get President

0:52:40.315 --> 0:52:42.995
<v Speaker 1>Carter on the phone, like he'd do an interview with me. No, No,

0:52:43.075 --> 0:52:46.715
<v Speaker 1>we're serious, And I said, what do you mean you're serious? Well,

0:52:46.715 --> 0:52:50.035
<v Speaker 1>he just won the Pulitzer Prize for nonfiction. I said, well,

0:52:50.115 --> 0:52:53.715
<v Speaker 1>good for him. And we just called his office, you know,

0:52:53.795 --> 0:52:56.115
<v Speaker 1>just to see if he'd do an interview, and he said,

0:52:56.475 --> 0:52:59.955
<v Speaker 1>I'll do an interview, but it must be live, and

0:53:01.035 --> 0:53:04.875
<v Speaker 1>is your sportscaster there today? And you know we we

0:53:04.915 --> 0:53:08.155
<v Speaker 1>went what our sportscaster? Yes, Keith is? Is he in

0:53:08.195 --> 0:53:10.715
<v Speaker 1>the studio? I like him? He seems to get it.

0:53:11.155 --> 0:53:13.795
<v Speaker 1>That was what I was told, Carl Sagan said. And

0:53:13.835 --> 0:53:16.875
<v Speaker 1>they relate this to me and I went, oh, come on,

0:53:17.395 --> 0:53:19.755
<v Speaker 1>because now apparently he listens to the station all the time.

0:53:19.755 --> 0:53:21.835
<v Speaker 1>He loves the rock and roll, and he likes you

0:53:21.915 --> 0:53:24.635
<v Speaker 1>doing the sports. He says, he's not a big sports fan,

0:53:24.675 --> 0:53:29.195
<v Speaker 1>but he enjoys your work. Well again, I can't possibly

0:53:29.235 --> 0:53:33.875
<v Speaker 1>describe how much space there was between us in terms

0:53:33.915 --> 0:53:39.795
<v Speaker 1>of renown. I was in April nineteen seventy eight, a

0:53:39.915 --> 0:53:44.315
<v Speaker 1>year and three months away from getting my first paycheck

0:53:44.595 --> 0:53:48.075
<v Speaker 1>for my first full time job in broadcasting, which would

0:53:48.155 --> 0:53:52.235
<v Speaker 1>pay me at an annual rate of sixteen five hundred dollars.

0:53:53.435 --> 0:53:57.435
<v Speaker 1>I had not made ten thousand dollars in broadcasting in

0:53:57.475 --> 0:54:00.995
<v Speaker 1>my entire life. To this point, I was pretty well

0:54:01.035 --> 0:54:04.395
<v Speaker 1>known at the radio station. There were occasionally, maybe once

0:54:04.435 --> 0:54:08.275
<v Speaker 1>every other month, fan letters, but literally the pile of

0:54:08.315 --> 0:54:11.315
<v Speaker 1>them was less than ten high. In my entire career,

0:54:12.075 --> 0:54:15.155
<v Speaker 1>I'd been paid to cover Cornell football Games by United

0:54:15.155 --> 0:54:18.435
<v Speaker 1>Press International for fifteen dollars a game, and trust me,

0:54:19.835 --> 0:54:22.875
<v Speaker 1>I was underpaid, but it was pretty good money. Fifteen

0:54:22.955 --> 0:54:28.395
<v Speaker 1>dollars to go watch that. Oh but Carl Sagan, Carl

0:54:28.435 --> 0:54:32.795
<v Speaker 1>Sagan knew Johnny Carson was on his show all the time,

0:54:33.115 --> 0:54:36.395
<v Speaker 1>had done not just the Cosmos series, but series after

0:54:36.435 --> 0:54:40.995
<v Speaker 1>series for PBS. Follow ups they sold in those early days,

0:54:41.355 --> 0:54:45.515
<v Speaker 1>they sold bootleg copies of Cosmos, which would appear, I

0:54:45.595 --> 0:54:50.315
<v Speaker 1>guess in nineteen eighty. So he was already famous before

0:54:50.435 --> 0:54:54.755
<v Speaker 1>Cosmos when this story takes place. And he'd done countless

0:54:54.795 --> 0:54:58.315
<v Speaker 1>shows for PBS already, and as I said on the

0:54:58.355 --> 0:55:01.115
<v Speaker 1>Tonight Show, all the time joking about the origins of

0:55:01.155 --> 0:55:05.395
<v Speaker 1>the universe, and he wanted to do an interview only

0:55:05.435 --> 0:55:10.035
<v Speaker 1>with me, and only live, and I said, well, when

0:55:10.035 --> 0:55:11.475
<v Speaker 1>are we going to do it? As soon as you

0:55:11.515 --> 0:55:16.395
<v Speaker 1>get in the booth, he's on hold. So one of

0:55:16.475 --> 0:55:19.355
<v Speaker 1>the things I did discover in that moment of what

0:55:19.435 --> 0:55:22.715
<v Speaker 1>should have been panic was a sense of calm, which

0:55:22.875 --> 0:55:25.235
<v Speaker 1>was okay. He won the Pulitzer Prize. What's the name

0:55:25.275 --> 0:55:30.035
<v Speaker 1>of the book, something about dragons. The book was called

0:55:30.115 --> 0:55:38.275
<v Speaker 1>The Dragons of Eden. Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence.

0:55:38.675 --> 0:55:41.515
<v Speaker 1>This was not his forte. His forte was The Cosmos.

0:55:42.555 --> 0:55:45.835
<v Speaker 1>But Carl Sagan had won the Pulitzer Prize for nonfiction

0:55:46.275 --> 0:55:50.755
<v Speaker 1>and his first interview, as it turned out, his first interview.

0:55:51.155 --> 0:55:54.675
<v Speaker 1>He hadn't called anybody else back yet, He hadn't called

0:55:54.675 --> 0:55:57.795
<v Speaker 1>the Associated Press or CBS News. He wanted to talk

0:55:57.835 --> 0:56:02.355
<v Speaker 1>to Keith Alderman, the nineteen year old sportscaster who he'd

0:56:02.395 --> 0:56:07.235
<v Speaker 1>never met and in fact would never meet. And I

0:56:07.355 --> 0:56:11.235
<v Speaker 1>got in the booth and they dropped a record, and

0:56:11.555 --> 0:56:14.795
<v Speaker 1>whoever was the disc jockey said, we have some breaking news.

0:56:14.915 --> 0:56:18.035
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Carl Sagan of Cornell has won a Pulitzer prize.

0:56:18.195 --> 0:56:20.955
<v Speaker 1>Keith Olderman is here with an interview with him live

0:56:21.035 --> 0:56:24.795
<v Speaker 1>on WVVR. And I went, yes, I am doctor Sagan.

0:56:24.835 --> 0:56:26.835
<v Speaker 1>Are you there, Yes, I am Keith. It's a pleasure

0:56:26.875 --> 0:56:29.795
<v Speaker 1>to talk to you. And he sounded excited by talking

0:56:29.835 --> 0:56:32.955
<v Speaker 1>to me, And I then learned the other lesson, which is,

0:56:33.075 --> 0:56:36.235
<v Speaker 1>there is a possibility that you are as big a

0:56:36.275 --> 0:56:39.035
<v Speaker 1>deal to the interviewee as he is to you, as

0:56:39.155 --> 0:56:43.755
<v Speaker 1>unlikely as this fame gradient would have suggested. And it's

0:56:43.755 --> 0:56:47.075
<v Speaker 1>still to me, as I said, it's still it's bigger

0:56:47.115 --> 0:56:51.555
<v Speaker 1>than me interviewing Muhammad Ali. Because I was a professional

0:56:51.835 --> 0:56:54.595
<v Speaker 1>in a field that was much smaller than it is now,

0:56:54.715 --> 0:56:58.795
<v Speaker 1>and I was with the worldwide cable news network CNN.

0:56:59.915 --> 0:57:03.635
<v Speaker 1>I had some chops. This was basically Carl Sagan being

0:57:03.635 --> 0:57:06.875
<v Speaker 1>interviewed by somebody who who could have been a kid

0:57:06.915 --> 0:57:11.915
<v Speaker 1>in his class, but wasn't on his favorite radio station.

0:57:13.915 --> 0:57:16.235
<v Speaker 1>I would have assumed that would have been I don't know,

0:57:17.195 --> 0:57:20.355
<v Speaker 1>km ET in Los Angeles or something, or at least KNX.

0:57:22.475 --> 0:57:26.595
<v Speaker 1>So we talked about this, and I said, what do

0:57:26.635 --> 0:57:30.955
<v Speaker 1>you think the impact is on our understanding of human

0:57:31.195 --> 0:57:35.955
<v Speaker 1>evolution and the intelligence evolution of you winning a book

0:57:36.035 --> 0:57:38.355
<v Speaker 1>that now will have a Pulitzer Prize sticker on it

0:57:38.795 --> 0:57:41.075
<v Speaker 1>and be sold to people who don't know anything about it,

0:57:41.075 --> 0:57:43.355
<v Speaker 1>but just you're buying it because it says Pulitzer Prize.

0:57:43.435 --> 0:57:45.835
<v Speaker 1>And he prayed with laughter. He went, yeah, that was

0:57:45.875 --> 0:57:47.915
<v Speaker 1>the first thing I thought of. Obviously, it's going to

0:57:47.995 --> 0:57:49.795
<v Speaker 1>make me some more money, but my god, how many

0:57:49.835 --> 0:57:52.115
<v Speaker 1>people will now read this book just because it won

0:57:52.155 --> 0:57:55.595
<v Speaker 1>this stupid prize. And he said he was shocked that

0:57:56.075 --> 0:57:58.035
<v Speaker 1>it won this because he thought it was a good

0:57:58.035 --> 0:58:00.675
<v Speaker 1>book and he enjoyed talking about the subject, but he'd

0:58:00.715 --> 0:58:04.195
<v Speaker 1>never really seriously considered it until he'd been asked to

0:58:04.195 --> 0:58:06.235
<v Speaker 1>talk about a few years before, I think at the

0:58:06.315 --> 0:58:08.755
<v Speaker 1>University of Toronto, and he went off on a riff

0:58:08.755 --> 0:58:10.955
<v Speaker 1>and what you know, I should study this and try

0:58:10.955 --> 0:58:13.955
<v Speaker 1>to find out what would this make a good show.

0:58:14.795 --> 0:58:16.955
<v Speaker 1>And this was part of the thing that I guess

0:58:17.275 --> 0:58:20.835
<v Speaker 1>generated the big picture idea of cosmos and the evolution

0:58:20.955 --> 0:58:23.395
<v Speaker 1>of the universe leading to the evolution of man, and

0:58:23.475 --> 0:58:25.795
<v Speaker 1>the evolution of man being dependent on the evolution of

0:58:25.835 --> 0:58:28.395
<v Speaker 1>his own intelligence. So we must have gone on for

0:58:28.475 --> 0:58:35.035
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes, and he was charming and funny and self deprecating,

0:58:35.355 --> 0:58:39.115
<v Speaker 1>and I saw immediately that as good an interviewer as

0:58:39.195 --> 0:58:44.155
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Carson was the key ingredient in the joyfulness and

0:58:44.195 --> 0:58:47.635
<v Speaker 1>the fun of the Johnny Carson interviews with Carl Sagan

0:58:48.635 --> 0:58:51.435
<v Speaker 1>was not some sort of great preparation on Johnny Carson's part,

0:58:51.635 --> 0:58:53.995
<v Speaker 1>not some sort of great level of experience on Johnny

0:58:54.035 --> 0:58:57.075
<v Speaker 1>Carson's part, but the fact that Carl Sagan liked to

0:58:57.115 --> 0:59:00.715
<v Speaker 1>talk and was open and funny, and listened to the

0:59:00.835 --> 0:59:04.835
<v Speaker 1>questions carefully and said things that were almost designed to

0:59:04.915 --> 0:59:08.195
<v Speaker 1>let you come up with a follow up question. That

0:59:08.395 --> 0:59:10.675
<v Speaker 1>was when I realized that one of the greatest processes

0:59:10.715 --> 0:59:12.715
<v Speaker 1>for doing a good interview is to not have an

0:59:12.715 --> 0:59:14.755
<v Speaker 1>awful lot of time to prepare for it, to have

0:59:14.835 --> 0:59:17.155
<v Speaker 1>maybe no more than two or three questions in mind

0:59:17.275 --> 0:59:20.595
<v Speaker 1>that you can jot down in case you freeze. This

0:59:20.635 --> 0:59:23.115
<v Speaker 1>will force you to listen to what the other guy

0:59:23.235 --> 0:59:25.955
<v Speaker 1>is saying and then say, tell me more about that.

0:59:25.995 --> 0:59:28.755
<v Speaker 1>This fascinates me. Whether or not it fascinates you is irrelevant.

0:59:28.955 --> 0:59:32.435
<v Speaker 1>He wants to talk about it. He just told you so.

0:59:32.435 --> 0:59:35.675
<v Speaker 1>So at the end of this interview, I said, congratulations

0:59:35.675 --> 0:59:39.115
<v Speaker 1>again and on everything, and please give my regards. I

0:59:39.115 --> 0:59:41.475
<v Speaker 1>don't know why I said this, Please give my regards

0:59:41.515 --> 0:59:43.715
<v Speaker 1>to Johnny Carson the next time you are out there.

0:59:44.155 --> 0:59:46.195
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the great ambitions of my life

0:59:46.235 --> 0:59:48.395
<v Speaker 1>to be on the Tonight Show. Oh, I'll see if

0:59:48.395 --> 0:59:49.995
<v Speaker 1>I can arrange for you to be a guest. Ha

0:59:50.035 --> 0:59:53.315
<v Speaker 1>ha ha. I was a guest on The Tonight Show

0:59:53.355 --> 0:59:56.755
<v Speaker 1>twenty five years later. Like to the day, it wasn't

0:59:56.835 --> 0:59:59.915
<v Speaker 1>Johnny Carson, but it was still The Tonight Show. But

0:59:59.995 --> 1:00:05.635
<v Speaker 1>the punchline to this is having discovered and one of

1:00:05.675 --> 1:00:10.355
<v Speaker 1>the most famous professors at any American University in the

1:00:10.435 --> 1:00:13.115
<v Speaker 1>late twentieth century, maybe in the whole of the twentieth century.

1:00:14.075 --> 1:00:20.035
<v Speaker 1>Carl Sagan, one of the pioneers of cosmetics, cosmetology, one

1:00:20.035 --> 1:00:24.395
<v Speaker 1>of the guys who mainstreamed the whole idea of the

1:00:24.395 --> 1:00:27.635
<v Speaker 1>Big Bang, one of the people who brought everything from

1:00:27.715 --> 1:00:35.955
<v Speaker 1>physics to creationism together in one unified TV shtick, was

1:00:35.995 --> 1:00:41.795
<v Speaker 1>a fan of mine, having discovered this, having seen this,

1:00:41.915 --> 1:00:47.155
<v Speaker 1>and knowing that his course was majors only except by

1:00:47.275 --> 1:00:53.635
<v Speaker 1>professor Professor's permission, Do you think I went to him

1:00:54.155 --> 1:00:58.075
<v Speaker 1>or called his office as I approached my last two

1:00:58.155 --> 1:01:01.715
<v Speaker 1>semesters at Cornell in the fall of nineteen seventy eight

1:01:01.715 --> 1:01:06.275
<v Speaker 1>and spring of nineteen seventy nine, and said, Hey, I'd

1:01:06.315 --> 1:01:08.635
<v Speaker 1>love to take the course. Can't you have room for

1:01:08.635 --> 1:01:11.155
<v Speaker 1>one more? I'll sit in the back. Do you think

1:01:11.235 --> 1:01:14.635
<v Speaker 1>I did that, having had, by the way, in case

1:01:14.675 --> 1:01:16.555
<v Speaker 1>I was worried about whether or not i'd pass. I

1:01:16.595 --> 1:01:19.435
<v Speaker 1>know had a personal relationship with the professor. I was

1:01:19.475 --> 1:01:22.035
<v Speaker 1>his favorite sportscaster. I was his favorite person at the

1:01:22.075 --> 1:01:24.515
<v Speaker 1>Carnell radio station. I was the only person he'd do

1:01:24.595 --> 1:01:27.275
<v Speaker 1>the interview with. He didn't want to talk to the newscaster.

1:01:27.475 --> 1:01:29.915
<v Speaker 1>He wanted to talk to me, and when, by the way,

1:01:29.955 --> 1:01:32.035
<v Speaker 1>I asked him about the other condition that it be live,

1:01:32.315 --> 1:01:35.355
<v Speaker 1>I said, can I use parts of this again later

1:01:35.435 --> 1:01:38.475
<v Speaker 1>in an edited form so we can run the whole

1:01:38.515 --> 1:01:40.475
<v Speaker 1>thing again, but I'd like to use Oh, of course

1:01:40.515 --> 1:01:42.875
<v Speaker 1>it's you. You did a great job. Oh my goodness,

1:01:43.155 --> 1:01:46.075
<v Speaker 1>and of course what would you do? That's four credits

1:01:46.075 --> 1:01:50.795
<v Speaker 1>sitting out there, even on the most basic, greedy, selfish

1:01:50.875 --> 1:01:57.115
<v Speaker 1>level imaginable four gut credits with doctor Carl Sagan. Do

1:01:57.155 --> 1:02:02.035
<v Speaker 1>you think I scheduled the course? No? Can you guess

1:02:02.075 --> 1:02:04.395
<v Speaker 1>why I did not schedule the course when I needed

1:02:04.395 --> 1:02:10.195
<v Speaker 1>byway wherever he fit into this? I had leftover requirements

1:02:10.195 --> 1:02:14.995
<v Speaker 1>in the Agriculture College, in physics, in biology, and I

1:02:15.075 --> 1:02:18.195
<v Speaker 1>forget in chemistry. Those three areas I needed four more

1:02:18.195 --> 1:02:21.115
<v Speaker 1>credits in each of them. Do you think I took

1:02:21.155 --> 1:02:25.675
<v Speaker 1>the course? No? And the answer to why I did

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<v Speaker 1>not take the course and did not ever meet doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Sagan, my fan, the course met at nine o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, and I didn't want to get up

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<v Speaker 1>that early. Still true, you make crazy decisions when you're

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen years old and just trying to get out of

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<v Speaker 1>Cornell and seven semesters. What can I tell you? I've

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<v Speaker 1>done all the damage I can do here. I am

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<v Speaker 1>remorseful than I never met him though. Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Ray and John Phillip Schanel, the musical directors have Countdown, arranged, produced,

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<v Speaker 1>and performed most of our music. Mister Chanelle handled orchestration

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<v Speaker 1>and keyboards. Mister Ray was on the guitars, bass and drums.

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<v Speaker 1>It was produced by Tko Brothers. Our satirical and pithy

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<v Speaker 1>musical comments are by the best baseball stadium organist ever

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<v Speaker 1>in the Cosmos, Nancy Faust. The sports music is the

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<v Speaker 1>Ouldroin theme from ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis

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<v Speaker 1>courtesy of ESPN Inc. Other music arranged and performed by

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<v Speaker 1>the group No Horns Allowed. My announcer today was the

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<v Speaker 1>Eternal Universal Traveler, my friend Stevie van zandt Wondering why

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<v Speaker 1>there's no tape of me interviewing doctor Sagan. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>find it. It's there somewhere. Everything else was as ever.

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<v Speaker 1>My fault, my fault, and Carl Sagan's for encouraging me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Countdown for today, Day ninety nine. Of America, held

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<v Speaker 1>host just three hundred and sixty four days until the

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<v Speaker 1>scheduled end of his lame duck and lame brained term.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless Musk removes him sooner, or the actuarial tables due,

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<v Speaker 1>or the Attorney's General due. The next scheduled countdown is Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, bulletins, as the news warrants, remember, impeach Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>It will not work now. It will, however, win the

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats the midterms. If there are midterms and I want

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<v Speaker 1>polling on a presidential recall vote, let's put some pressure

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<v Speaker 1>on here, even if you can't have a presidential recall

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<v Speaker 1>vote until next time. I'm Keith Olderman. Good morning, good afternoon,

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