1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:24,235 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Orleans 2 00:00:24,275 --> 00:00:27,715 Speaker 1: Parish District's Attorney Jason Williams must indict and issue arrest 3 00:00:27,755 --> 00:00:31,555 Speaker 1: warrants for the White House ICE henchman Tom Holman and 4 00:00:31,715 --> 00:00:35,995 Speaker 1: his boss ICE director Todd Lyons and his boss, Homeland 5 00:00:36,035 --> 00:00:39,795 Speaker 1: Security Secretary Christy Nome now with eight action dress up outfits, 6 00:00:40,315 --> 00:00:43,915 Speaker 1: and for that matter, for her boss, President Donald ted 7 00:00:44,035 --> 00:00:49,275 Speaker 1: Bundy Trump. The charges Attorney General Williams must bring someone 8 00:00:49,355 --> 00:00:53,195 Speaker 1: estimated there could be twenty seven different charges include kidnapping 9 00:00:53,235 --> 00:00:56,715 Speaker 1: of a United States citizen, deprivation of Fifth and fourteenth 10 00:00:56,715 --> 00:01:01,035 Speaker 1: Amendment rights, and child trafficking. Because Trump and Nome and 11 00:01:01,115 --> 00:01:04,035 Speaker 1: Lions and Homan and the agents involved, and in fact, 12 00:01:04,155 --> 00:01:07,875 Speaker 1: the entire of Trump's government of the undead, by the 13 00:01:08,035 --> 00:01:13,115 Speaker 1: undead for the undead, kidnapped a two year old child, 14 00:01:13,555 --> 00:01:17,395 Speaker 1: a native of this country, a native of Louisiana, a 15 00:01:17,515 --> 00:01:22,675 Speaker 1: native of New Orleans and Friday. They deported her, renditioned her, 16 00:01:22,755 --> 00:01:27,355 Speaker 1: in fact to Honduras because they were sending her Honduran 17 00:01:27,435 --> 00:01:31,315 Speaker 1: born mother there, and the mother allegedly wanted the child 18 00:01:31,355 --> 00:01:34,395 Speaker 1: with her, although there is mounting circumstantial evidence that this 19 00:01:34,475 --> 00:01:38,395 Speaker 1: is untrue, that this is a Trump administration lie designed 20 00:01:38,395 --> 00:01:41,595 Speaker 1: to cover up the fact that somebody disconnected a call 21 00:01:42,035 --> 00:01:45,275 Speaker 1: from the mother to the child's father as he frantically 22 00:01:45,315 --> 00:01:50,315 Speaker 1: began to talk about getting lawyers involved. No hearing, no lawyers, 23 00:01:50,595 --> 00:01:55,395 Speaker 1: no ethics, no responsibility, no morality, no attempt to verify 24 00:01:55,515 --> 00:01:59,635 Speaker 1: whether a note about the mother's intent written in Spanish 25 00:01:59,835 --> 00:02:02,835 Speaker 1: was actually written by her, or even that it exists, 26 00:02:03,435 --> 00:02:06,315 Speaker 1: not even time for the father to talk to the 27 00:02:06,355 --> 00:02:10,155 Speaker 1: mother for more than one minute before Trump's gestapo broke 28 00:02:10,315 --> 00:02:13,835 Speaker 1: virtually every law and violated virtually every word of the Constitution, 29 00:02:15,555 --> 00:02:20,515 Speaker 1: and the toddler, identified only by her initials VML, was 30 00:02:20,555 --> 00:02:26,355 Speaker 1: not alone. Two mothers and three young children were disappeared 31 00:02:26,395 --> 00:02:28,875 Speaker 1: out of New Orleans late last week, according to the 32 00:02:28,915 --> 00:02:33,835 Speaker 1: ACLU of New Orleans. The ACLU says all are US citizens. 33 00:02:34,355 --> 00:02:37,235 Speaker 1: The ACLU says one of the children four years old 34 00:02:37,795 --> 00:02:40,955 Speaker 1: as a rare form of cancer in stage four, and 35 00:02:40,995 --> 00:02:45,675 Speaker 1: the child was deported without medical consultation and without their medication. 36 00:02:46,075 --> 00:02:50,395 Speaker 1: The ACLU says one of the mothers is pregnant. It 37 00:02:50,515 --> 00:02:54,955 Speaker 1: is child trafficking, Mister Attorney General. People need to be arrested, 38 00:02:55,035 --> 00:02:57,955 Speaker 1: Mister Attorney General. That is your job, sir, and you 39 00:02:58,035 --> 00:03:00,955 Speaker 1: are a Democrat, therefore you are not a Trump whore. 40 00:03:02,115 --> 00:03:05,515 Speaker 1: His bullies need to be metaphorically kicked in the groin 41 00:03:05,875 --> 00:03:09,435 Speaker 1: because the United States of America is now officially kidnapping 42 00:03:09,515 --> 00:03:13,635 Speaker 1: its own infants one's born in this country and with 43 00:03:13,755 --> 00:03:17,715 Speaker 1: the full rights of citizenship, and sending them to foreign 44 00:03:17,755 --> 00:03:22,315 Speaker 1: countries on hearsay. And you, mister Attorney General, are an 45 00:03:22,355 --> 00:03:25,595 Speaker 1: official of the government of the fifty third largest city 46 00:03:25,595 --> 00:03:29,275 Speaker 1: in this country, and one of your constituents was just kidnapped, 47 00:03:29,835 --> 00:03:33,555 Speaker 1: and she's two years old, and you goddamn better do 48 00:03:33,715 --> 00:03:38,155 Speaker 1: something about it. Indict them and have them arrested, preferably 49 00:03:38,235 --> 00:03:45,555 Speaker 1: dragged into court in New Orleans by their feet. More practically, 50 00:03:45,915 --> 00:03:49,195 Speaker 1: indict them and issue warrants for their arrest, knowing full 51 00:03:49,235 --> 00:03:53,315 Speaker 1: well that dress up Barbie Nome would ever be seen 52 00:03:53,515 --> 00:03:57,355 Speaker 1: in Louisiana again if you do this, nor will the others. 53 00:03:57,835 --> 00:04:01,395 Speaker 1: But you can drag in the local ice goons, and 54 00:04:01,515 --> 00:04:03,875 Speaker 1: even if the whole thing gets thrown out in two hours, 55 00:04:04,075 --> 00:04:07,075 Speaker 1: you will have at least done something to indicate that 56 00:04:07,115 --> 00:04:13,595 Speaker 1: democracy is going to fight back. And after we have 57 00:04:13,755 --> 00:04:16,875 Speaker 1: seen that Trump's fascists are not just fascists, they are 58 00:04:16,915 --> 00:04:20,115 Speaker 1: worse than we expected. You will show we are not 59 00:04:20,275 --> 00:04:23,995 Speaker 1: going to continue to roll over as the degenerates in 60 00:04:24,115 --> 00:04:28,075 Speaker 1: Ice now reportedly go on to a military base and 61 00:04:28,195 --> 00:04:32,475 Speaker 1: grab a serviceman's immigrant wife while she is on duty 62 00:04:32,595 --> 00:04:36,235 Speaker 1: at sea, and while the kilmar Abrego Garcias and the 63 00:04:36,235 --> 00:04:39,075 Speaker 1: gay hairdressers, and the two year old New Orleans girl 64 00:04:39,155 --> 00:04:41,755 Speaker 1: known by the initials VML, and the four year old 65 00:04:41,755 --> 00:04:44,555 Speaker 1: New Orleans girl with cancer get disappeared like we were 66 00:04:44,595 --> 00:04:50,315 Speaker 1: living in Chile in nineteen seventy three. If the Trump 67 00:04:50,395 --> 00:04:55,195 Speaker 1: administration of Nazi adjacents can make up a law to 68 00:04:55,315 --> 00:04:58,915 Speaker 1: allow them to walk into a Wisconsin courtroom and arrest 69 00:04:59,435 --> 00:05:03,395 Speaker 1: a local judge because she would not hand over someone 70 00:05:03,435 --> 00:05:06,355 Speaker 1: who was there in her court room to receive actual 71 00:05:06,395 --> 00:05:09,635 Speaker 1: American justice hand that person over to a bunch of 72 00:05:09,755 --> 00:05:13,555 Speaker 1: armed thugs, then the Ice thugs in New Orleans are 73 00:05:13,675 --> 00:05:17,875 Speaker 1: fair game for arrests, as is the leadership, as is 74 00:05:17,915 --> 00:05:21,235 Speaker 1: the painting witch Gnome, as is the psychopath at the 75 00:05:21,275 --> 00:05:25,355 Speaker 1: head of the dictatorship, And whoever arrested the Milwaukee judge 76 00:05:25,635 --> 00:05:29,715 Speaker 1: should themselves be arrested for obstructing illegal proceeding and menacing 77 00:05:29,755 --> 00:05:34,475 Speaker 1: an officer of the court. Just consider the raw facts 78 00:05:34,515 --> 00:05:38,355 Speaker 1: of the abduction of VML as if it were in 79 00:05:38,475 --> 00:05:42,715 Speaker 1: the prism of inside the Trump cult, an innocent two 80 00:05:42,795 --> 00:05:48,755 Speaker 1: year old American girl stolen by her Honduran mother and 81 00:05:48,835 --> 00:05:54,235 Speaker 1: taken to Honduras and nobody stopped them, they would indict 82 00:05:54,355 --> 00:05:59,475 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton. In an America where the judges are subject 83 00:05:59,515 --> 00:06:02,955 Speaker 1: to arrest by Ice as part of Stephen Miller's paranoid 84 00:06:02,955 --> 00:06:09,995 Speaker 1: fever dream that we are under attack by by anybody, 85 00:06:11,035 --> 00:06:13,515 Speaker 1: then Gnome and Trump and the rest of these shit 86 00:06:13,635 --> 00:06:17,835 Speaker 1: stains are also subject to arrest as part of a gang, 87 00:06:18,715 --> 00:06:28,115 Speaker 1: a kidnapping gang, a human trafficking gang. And by the way, 88 00:06:28,155 --> 00:06:30,515 Speaker 1: obviously the case in New Orleans would be better handled 89 00:06:30,555 --> 00:06:35,155 Speaker 1: by the Louisiana Attorney General Liz Morrill. But all you 90 00:06:35,195 --> 00:06:38,115 Speaker 1: need out of her bio to abandon all hope is 91 00:06:38,755 --> 00:06:44,595 Speaker 1: former Executive Council to Governor Bobby Jindall. I don't know, Madam, 92 00:06:44,595 --> 00:06:49,395 Speaker 1: Attorney General. Surprise me. The judge in the case of VML, 93 00:06:50,155 --> 00:06:53,675 Speaker 1: who tried to stop this horror, who protested this, who 94 00:06:53,675 --> 00:06:57,435 Speaker 1: publicized this, is Terry Dowdy, the chief judge of the U. 95 00:06:57,595 --> 00:07:00,395 Speaker 1: S District Court of the Western District of Louisiana. And 96 00:07:00,435 --> 00:07:02,875 Speaker 1: he is not only a Trump appointee, but he is 97 00:07:02,955 --> 00:07:05,275 Speaker 1: such a Trump appointee that he wrote that he had 98 00:07:05,275 --> 00:07:07,835 Speaker 1: become aware independently that by the time he tried to 99 00:07:07,875 --> 00:07:10,315 Speaker 1: talk to the mother in the case, the plane she 100 00:07:10,475 --> 00:07:14,035 Speaker 1: was in was already quote above the Gulf of America 101 00:07:14,475 --> 00:07:21,235 Speaker 1: unquote even he gets it. Judge Dowdy also scheduled a 102 00:07:21,275 --> 00:07:24,755 Speaker 1: hearing for sixteen May quote in the interest of dispelling 103 00:07:24,875 --> 00:07:29,675 Speaker 1: our strong suspicion that the government just deported a US 104 00:07:29,915 --> 00:07:36,115 Speaker 1: citizen with no meaningful process, and just for that tears 105 00:07:36,155 --> 00:07:41,875 Speaker 1: of gratitude well in my eyes. But no, Trump, don't 106 00:07:41,875 --> 00:07:44,355 Speaker 1: do anything about the US born child with cancer you 107 00:07:44,475 --> 00:07:47,715 Speaker 1: just sent to Honduras without even a hearing. Don't do 108 00:07:47,755 --> 00:07:52,195 Speaker 1: anything about VML now arrest the judge in Wisconsin trying 109 00:07:52,235 --> 00:07:55,555 Speaker 1: to keep people, any people. I don't give it f 110 00:07:55,635 --> 00:07:59,275 Speaker 1: where they were born, out of the hands of these sadists. 111 00:07:59,675 --> 00:08:04,035 Speaker 1: You have given uniforms and weapons too. Don't question that 112 00:08:04,395 --> 00:08:08,995 Speaker 1: report Publican senators, don't question that Speaker Mike Closets Johnson, 113 00:08:09,275 --> 00:08:14,115 Speaker 1: don't question that flag waving imbeciles, kidnapping American babies with 114 00:08:14,315 --> 00:08:17,155 Speaker 1: cancer and arresting the judges who try to stop such 115 00:08:17,275 --> 00:08:23,835 Speaker 1: moral cannibalism as you and Trump march towards ethnic cleansing 116 00:08:24,635 --> 00:08:32,195 Speaker 1: in America. Remember, Republicans, as this unfolds, before the rest 117 00:08:32,235 --> 00:08:37,635 Speaker 1: of us stop you, your only hope is that all 118 00:08:37,835 --> 00:08:42,475 Speaker 1: or most of the world's religions are wrong, because if 119 00:08:42,475 --> 00:08:46,035 Speaker 1: they are not wrong, you are all going to hell. 120 00:09:14,675 --> 00:09:18,595 Speaker 1: Of course, as ever, the cruelty, the moral cannibalism is 121 00:09:18,635 --> 00:09:22,475 Speaker 1: the point. After Judge Dugan in Milwaukee was arrested, the 122 00:09:22,515 --> 00:09:25,715 Speaker 1: second choice attorney general, the one who, by the Trump 123 00:09:25,795 --> 00:09:30,875 Speaker 1: terrorist's own definition, is a dei hire, Pam Bondi went 124 00:09:30,915 --> 00:09:35,275 Speaker 1: out and said of America's judges, the judges the backbone 125 00:09:35,275 --> 00:09:38,475 Speaker 1: of our nation and the group that includes the shrinking 126 00:09:38,515 --> 00:09:41,675 Speaker 1: subset of those officials who actually put the law first 127 00:09:41,715 --> 00:09:46,555 Speaker 1: in this country. Bondi said, quote, they are deranged. She insisted, 128 00:09:46,715 --> 00:09:49,475 Speaker 1: we are sending a very strong message. We will come 129 00:09:49,515 --> 00:09:53,115 Speaker 1: after you, and we will prosecute you. We will find you. 130 00:09:55,555 --> 00:09:58,835 Speaker 1: It amazes me even now as I read this that 131 00:09:58,995 --> 00:10:02,275 Speaker 1: Pam Bondy and the others who have applauded the arrest 132 00:10:02,315 --> 00:10:06,355 Speaker 1: of one judge and the placing of symbolic crosshairs over 133 00:10:06,395 --> 00:10:09,235 Speaker 1: the lives of all the other judges in the country, 134 00:10:09,275 --> 00:10:13,515 Speaker 1: including the ones they like. Bondy and the other idiots 135 00:10:13,515 --> 00:10:16,035 Speaker 1: have not once considered that the road they are on, 136 00:10:16,635 --> 00:10:20,635 Speaker 1: the road to complete authoritarianism, where all the judges serve 137 00:10:20,755 --> 00:10:25,315 Speaker 1: only if they rubber stamp all the Trump commandments. That 138 00:10:25,715 --> 00:10:30,035 Speaker 1: road goes across countless bridges that may or may not 139 00:10:30,195 --> 00:10:33,395 Speaker 1: support them, or may or may not still be there, 140 00:10:33,995 --> 00:10:37,955 Speaker 1: or may or may not even exist. What happens to you, Pambondi, 141 00:10:38,195 --> 00:10:41,355 Speaker 1: What happens to you Cash Patel? What happens to you 142 00:10:41,435 --> 00:10:43,955 Speaker 1: Tom Holman? If you don't get to the other side 143 00:10:44,075 --> 00:10:47,995 Speaker 1: of that goddamned bridge. What is the one thing you 144 00:10:48,035 --> 00:10:53,755 Speaker 1: are guaranteed to see when Trump falls and America is 145 00:10:53,835 --> 00:10:57,795 Speaker 1: restored to the United States of America? What is the 146 00:10:57,835 --> 00:11:05,275 Speaker 1: one thing you will see a judge? I haven't spent 147 00:11:05,315 --> 00:11:07,875 Speaker 1: a lot of time in courtrooms in my life, thank goodness, 148 00:11:07,875 --> 00:11:10,275 Speaker 1: but I did once sue the company part owned by 149 00:11:10,315 --> 00:11:12,715 Speaker 1: the former Vice President of the United States for the 150 00:11:12,715 --> 00:11:17,355 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars he and his co owner owed me. 151 00:11:18,035 --> 00:11:20,795 Speaker 1: And one of the many pieces of advice one of 152 00:11:20,835 --> 00:11:23,715 Speaker 1: my lawyers gave me that led to such a gloriously 153 00:11:23,795 --> 00:11:31,275 Speaker 1: successful outcome there was don't piss off the judge. But 154 00:11:31,395 --> 00:11:35,275 Speaker 1: for now, of course, pissing off the judge is Pambondi's purpose, 155 00:11:35,955 --> 00:11:41,235 Speaker 1: the first purpose of her useless, bleached fifty six years 156 00:11:41,795 --> 00:11:49,475 Speaker 1: long or more life, Pissing them off and moreover, scaring them, 157 00:11:49,515 --> 00:11:56,115 Speaker 1: Scaring the judges by arresting one in Wisconsin, Scaring their 158 00:11:56,115 --> 00:12:01,035 Speaker 1: own staff by firing their senior trade official, George Bogden 159 00:12:01,515 --> 00:12:07,155 Speaker 1: because he went to Les Taylor's wedding six years ago, 160 00:12:07,915 --> 00:12:11,675 Speaker 1: Scaring political opponents by ordering the investigation of the pro 161 00:12:11,715 --> 00:12:17,755 Speaker 1: democracy fundraising outlet Act Blue, Scaring would be donors to 162 00:12:17,835 --> 00:12:22,715 Speaker 1: the campaigns of actual American candidates by twisting the fact 163 00:12:22,715 --> 00:12:27,355 Speaker 1: that Act Blues sight successfully caught and rejected foreign donation 164 00:12:27,475 --> 00:12:33,155 Speaker 1: attempts and turning that into an international influence plot, as 165 00:12:33,155 --> 00:12:37,075 Speaker 1: opposed to Trump just taking billions directly in international influence 166 00:12:37,155 --> 00:12:41,035 Speaker 1: through his companies and the gyrations of the stock market. 167 00:12:41,755 --> 00:12:46,555 Speaker 1: Scaring those who would defend those persecuted by Ice and 168 00:12:46,595 --> 00:12:50,315 Speaker 1: the other Trump brownshirts by having rapacious idiots like Sebastian 169 00:12:50,395 --> 00:12:54,235 Speaker 1: Gorka claimed that defending them is aiding and abetting criminals, 170 00:12:54,435 --> 00:12:58,115 Speaker 1: Scaring the actual leaders of the opposition party, like Representative 171 00:12:58,115 --> 00:13:02,395 Speaker 1: Acasio Cortes, by virtually accusing them of the crime of 172 00:13:02,395 --> 00:13:07,435 Speaker 1: defending the accused and having your own propaganda outlets literally 173 00:13:07,475 --> 00:13:10,875 Speaker 1: accuse them of that and scaring those who would speak 174 00:13:10,915 --> 00:13:14,555 Speaker 1: out against Trump in any way by circling back to 175 00:13:14,915 --> 00:13:18,955 Speaker 1: that idiot Gorka's claim that to do so is sudging 176 00:13:18,995 --> 00:13:29,795 Speaker 1: with the tedodists. These will fail. These will fail. We 177 00:13:29,875 --> 00:13:36,595 Speaker 1: will not be scared. We will be enraged. These will fail, 178 00:13:39,195 --> 00:13:42,995 Speaker 1: And the Bondies and the Gnomes and the Gorkas will 179 00:13:43,035 --> 00:13:49,035 Speaker 1: be charged for whatever laws they may have broken, and 180 00:13:49,115 --> 00:13:52,115 Speaker 1: they will get defense attorneys, and we will not try 181 00:13:52,195 --> 00:13:56,595 Speaker 1: to prosecute the defense attorneys, and they will get defenders, 182 00:13:56,995 --> 00:13:59,755 Speaker 1: and we will not try to prosecute those who defend 183 00:13:59,755 --> 00:14:04,355 Speaker 1: them in public. And they will be charged by the 184 00:14:04,395 --> 00:14:10,355 Speaker 1: people they are now trying to scare, and they will 185 00:14:10,355 --> 00:14:21,275 Speaker 1: come before judges, hopefully Judge Dougan. I would settle for 186 00:14:21,435 --> 00:14:27,875 Speaker 1: Judge Doughty. But their real threat here is that in 187 00:14:27,915 --> 00:14:30,435 Speaker 1: the time before they fail, they will succeed in chilling 188 00:14:30,475 --> 00:14:34,315 Speaker 1: the debate. Those for whom the consequences can be real 189 00:14:34,635 --> 00:14:38,075 Speaker 1: and devastating may hesitate to fight back on behalf of 190 00:14:38,275 --> 00:14:42,395 Speaker 1: justice and the law and the nation, journalists in a 191 00:14:42,435 --> 00:14:47,315 Speaker 1: time of corporate journalistic failure and cowardice and greed, judges 192 00:14:47,635 --> 00:14:50,715 Speaker 1: in a time of political assassination threats by the right 193 00:14:51,995 --> 00:14:54,715 Speaker 1: and that other most dangerous group to the far right 194 00:14:57,155 --> 00:15:03,475 Speaker 1: two and four year old Americans from New Orleans. The 195 00:15:03,555 --> 00:15:06,515 Speaker 1: Trump terrorism is that the hesitation will be enough to 196 00:15:06,515 --> 00:15:08,715 Speaker 1: give Trump the time to do as much damage to 197 00:15:08,755 --> 00:15:11,875 Speaker 1: this country as possible, because that is how he should 198 00:15:11,875 --> 00:15:16,155 Speaker 1: be perceived and reported on. It doesn't matter if he's 199 00:15:16,235 --> 00:15:19,235 Speaker 1: doing this damage on behalf of another nation. Doesn't matter 200 00:15:19,275 --> 00:15:22,155 Speaker 1: if he has reached the nineteen eighty four stage and 201 00:15:22,235 --> 00:15:25,155 Speaker 1: decided the object of power is power. It doesn't matter 202 00:15:25,475 --> 00:15:28,075 Speaker 1: if he's doing it because he's insane. It doesn't matter 203 00:15:28,355 --> 00:15:31,715 Speaker 1: why he's destroying the nation. It only matters that he 204 00:15:31,995 --> 00:15:36,555 Speaker 1: is destroying the nation and depending on institutions and individuals 205 00:15:36,635 --> 00:15:41,075 Speaker 1: that would defend that nation to fold. And if you 206 00:15:41,075 --> 00:15:46,235 Speaker 1: don't think they will fold, ask Zuckerberg and Bezos and 207 00:15:46,315 --> 00:15:50,195 Speaker 1: the Washington Post and Columbia University and ABC and Bob 208 00:15:50,235 --> 00:15:55,995 Speaker 1: Iger and CBS, which is reportedly going to let a 209 00:15:56,075 --> 00:16:00,675 Speaker 1: mediator judge Trump's lawsuit this week. The one demanding bribes. 210 00:16:01,115 --> 00:16:05,195 Speaker 1: I'm sorry the one demanding damages because the sixty minutes 211 00:16:05,315 --> 00:16:11,155 Speaker 1: interview of Kamala Harris damaged him in the election that 212 00:16:11,475 --> 00:16:26,715 Speaker 1: he checks Notes one. It remains irrelevant, but it is 213 00:16:26,875 --> 00:16:31,715 Speaker 1: explanatory and could be useful. The other possibility that Trump 214 00:16:31,795 --> 00:16:34,875 Speaker 1: is destroying this nation because those around him are not 215 00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:38,435 Speaker 1: letting him see the new Associated Press poll where his 216 00:16:38,475 --> 00:16:42,355 Speaker 1: approval is thirty nine and his net approval disapproval is 217 00:16:42,395 --> 00:16:47,195 Speaker 1: now nineteen points underwater, and all the specific policy measures 218 00:16:47,275 --> 00:16:51,755 Speaker 1: are underwater, and he is instead being told he really 219 00:16:51,915 --> 00:16:56,435 Speaker 1: is saving this nation, and his semi human mind seems 220 00:16:56,435 --> 00:17:00,595 Speaker 1: to be able to process the value of being perceived 221 00:17:00,715 --> 00:17:06,235 Speaker 1: as savior. That they are telling him these things. Over 222 00:17:06,235 --> 00:17:08,715 Speaker 1: here in the real world, we call this lying to 223 00:17:08,835 --> 00:17:15,035 Speaker 1: him was underscored anew by this batshit crazy interview with 224 00:17:15,115 --> 00:17:20,715 Speaker 1: Time Magazine. I mean batshit crazy, even in the Trump 225 00:17:20,755 --> 00:17:24,715 Speaker 1: world of twenty four to seven. Batshit crazy. I could 226 00:17:24,795 --> 00:17:30,515 Speaker 1: parse this for literally weeks, but the Time magazine interview 227 00:17:30,515 --> 00:17:33,475 Speaker 1: suggests that the primary rule in the new Trump crazy 228 00:17:33,515 --> 00:17:36,755 Speaker 1: machine is to tell him whatever is likely as to 229 00:17:36,875 --> 00:17:41,355 Speaker 1: keep him from yelling at you. The Supreme Court ruled 230 00:17:41,475 --> 00:17:45,595 Speaker 1: nine nothing that in the case of kilmar Abrego Garcia, 231 00:17:45,755 --> 00:17:50,315 Speaker 1: the administration had to facilitate and effectuate the Maryland father's 232 00:17:50,395 --> 00:17:55,835 Speaker 1: return with a deadline of three weeks ago. Today, since 233 00:17:55,875 --> 00:17:58,155 Speaker 1: it has done the exact opposite, Trump was asked by 234 00:17:58,195 --> 00:18:01,635 Speaker 1: Time magazine if he is therefore disobeying the Supreme Court, 235 00:18:01,635 --> 00:18:05,395 Speaker 1: which he is. Quote, that's not what my people told me. 236 00:18:05,675 --> 00:18:08,355 Speaker 1: They didn't say it was. They said it was the 237 00:18:08,435 --> 00:18:14,595 Speaker 1: nine to nothing was entirely different. Clearly, they never told 238 00:18:14,675 --> 00:18:17,835 Speaker 1: him about the facilitate and effectuate part. Only that the 239 00:18:17,915 --> 00:18:21,515 Speaker 1: court did not literally use a phrase like we ordered 240 00:18:21,555 --> 00:18:24,315 Speaker 1: Trump to bring him back to the United States immediately. 241 00:18:26,595 --> 00:18:31,275 Speaker 1: These moments of clarity clarity about how they are handling Trump, 242 00:18:31,355 --> 00:18:34,755 Speaker 1: not clarity from Trump, for God's sakes, they fall from 243 00:18:34,755 --> 00:18:39,155 Speaker 1: the Time interview like dust falling off the top shelf. 244 00:18:40,195 --> 00:18:44,235 Speaker 1: Quote one final question, mister President, you were showing us 245 00:18:44,275 --> 00:18:47,195 Speaker 1: the new paintings you have behind us. You put all 246 00:18:47,195 --> 00:18:50,835 Speaker 1: these new portraits. One of them includes John Adams. John 247 00:18:50,875 --> 00:18:54,435 Speaker 1: Adams said, we're a government ruled by laws, not by men. 248 00:18:54,995 --> 00:18:59,835 Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? Trump? John Adams said that 249 00:19:01,315 --> 00:19:07,235 Speaker 1: where was the painting right here? We're a government ruled 250 00:19:07,235 --> 00:19:10,275 Speaker 1: by laws, not by men. Well, I think we're a 251 00:19:10,275 --> 00:19:12,675 Speaker 1: government ruled by law. But you know, somebody has to 252 00:19:12,675 --> 00:19:16,195 Speaker 1: administer the law. So therefore men, certainly, men and women 253 00:19:16,435 --> 00:19:18,755 Speaker 1: certainly play a role in it. I wouldn't agree with 254 00:19:18,795 --> 00:19:21,635 Speaker 1: it one hundred percent. We are a government where men 255 00:19:21,715 --> 00:19:25,315 Speaker 1: are involved in the process of law, and ideally you're 256 00:19:25,315 --> 00:19:31,555 Speaker 1: going to have honest men like me. John Adams said 257 00:19:31,555 --> 00:19:37,355 Speaker 1: that where was the painting? Oh my god. On the 258 00:19:37,395 --> 00:19:43,075 Speaker 1: bright side, he seemed to know who John Adams was. Quote. 259 00:19:43,515 --> 00:19:46,475 Speaker 1: You were harshly critical of what you called the weaponization 260 00:19:46,595 --> 00:19:52,115 Speaker 1: of the Justice Department under Biden. You recently signed memos. Well, sure, 261 00:19:52,195 --> 00:19:54,915 Speaker 1: but you wouldn't be if this were Biden. Well, first 262 00:19:54,955 --> 00:19:56,595 Speaker 1: of all, he wouldn't do an interview because he was 263 00:19:56,595 --> 00:20:00,875 Speaker 1: grossly incompetent time. We spoke to him last year, mister 264 00:20:00,915 --> 00:20:07,395 Speaker 1: President Trump. Huh, we spoke to him a year ago. Trump. 265 00:20:07,795 --> 00:20:14,515 Speaker 1: How did he do? Trump? You can read the interview yourself, Olderman. 266 00:20:14,755 --> 00:20:18,675 Speaker 1: As an aside, I wouldn't bet on that. Trump not 267 00:20:18,755 --> 00:20:21,235 Speaker 1: too good. I did read the interview. He didn't do well. 268 00:20:21,275 --> 00:20:22,875 Speaker 1: He didn't do well at all. He didn't do well 269 00:20:22,875 --> 00:20:24,875 Speaker 1: at anything, And he cut that interview off to being 270 00:20:24,915 --> 00:20:27,155 Speaker 1: a matter of minutes, and you weren't asking questions like 271 00:20:27,155 --> 00:20:32,315 Speaker 1: you're asking me. Rule one of Trump, there's always a 272 00:20:32,355 --> 00:20:37,955 Speaker 1: nemesis when he has lost, failed, or has no other answer. 273 00:20:38,835 --> 00:20:42,555 Speaker 1: Just bring up the nemesis. When Trump started to go 274 00:20:42,675 --> 00:20:46,555 Speaker 1: crazy and run for president as revenge, it was against Obama, 275 00:20:46,715 --> 00:20:51,115 Speaker 1: so everything was Obama. Then he realized sometime during twenty 276 00:20:51,195 --> 00:20:54,115 Speaker 1: sixteen that he wasn't running against Obama. He was actually 277 00:20:54,195 --> 00:20:57,955 Speaker 1: running against somebody named Hillary Clinton who knew, so everything 278 00:20:57,955 --> 00:21:01,595 Speaker 1: became Hillary. Then he realized Biden was the front runner 279 00:21:01,635 --> 00:21:04,675 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty, not Hillary. And since then, especially since 280 00:21:04,875 --> 00:21:09,675 Speaker 1: he lost to Biden, since Biden humiliated him, and since 281 00:21:09,755 --> 00:21:12,955 Speaker 1: therefore most of Trump is forever frozen in that moment 282 00:21:13,155 --> 00:21:17,915 Speaker 1: trying to undo the loss. Therefore, nemesis is now Biden. 283 00:21:19,955 --> 00:21:24,755 Speaker 1: This came up again about Ukraine. You remember his pathetic 284 00:21:24,835 --> 00:21:27,795 Speaker 1: bleeding at Putin which didn't work. I'm not happy with 285 00:21:27,795 --> 00:21:31,355 Speaker 1: the Russian strikes on Kiev, not necessary and very bad timing. 286 00:21:31,515 --> 00:21:39,035 Speaker 1: Vladimir stop, Vladimir stop. Having failed to settle Ukraine in 287 00:21:39,115 --> 00:21:41,875 Speaker 1: a day or let's see counting in the ninety nine 288 00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:49,955 Speaker 1: of them, he had to blame Biden. Let me parse 289 00:21:50,075 --> 00:21:54,635 Speaker 1: this next thing for the Biden part, and other notable inferences. 290 00:21:55,955 --> 00:22:05,035 Speaker 1: This is the truth social post ready about Ukraine quote, 291 00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:09,315 Speaker 1: this is sleepy Joe Biden's war, not mine. All right, Well, 292 00:22:09,315 --> 00:22:12,435 Speaker 1: there's the Biden part already. It was a loser from 293 00:22:12,515 --> 00:22:15,235 Speaker 1: day one and should have never happened, and wouldn't have 294 00:22:15,235 --> 00:22:17,595 Speaker 1: happened if I were president at the time. I'm just 295 00:22:17,635 --> 00:22:19,515 Speaker 1: trying to clean up the mess that was left to 296 00:22:19,555 --> 00:22:22,035 Speaker 1: me by Obama and Biden, and what a mess it is. 297 00:22:22,915 --> 00:22:25,035 Speaker 1: With all that being said, there was no reason for 298 00:22:25,075 --> 00:22:28,275 Speaker 1: Putin to be shooting missiles into civilian areas, cities, and 299 00:22:28,315 --> 00:22:35,275 Speaker 1: towns over the last few days. Even Chuck Grassley had 300 00:22:35,275 --> 00:22:38,875 Speaker 1: written President Trump, please put the toughest of sanctions on Putin. 301 00:22:39,195 --> 00:22:42,235 Speaker 1: You ought to see from clear evidence that he is 302 00:22:42,315 --> 00:22:47,115 Speaker 1: playing America as a patsy. Back to the Trump tweet, 303 00:22:47,595 --> 00:22:49,795 Speaker 1: it makes me think that maybe Putin doesn't want to 304 00:22:49,835 --> 00:22:56,635 Speaker 1: stop the war. He's just tapping me along. CBS News 305 00:22:57,995 --> 00:23:02,555 Speaker 1: further shot its pants yesterday, putting the Russian Foreign Minister 306 00:23:02,675 --> 00:23:08,635 Speaker 1: Lavrov a snake on face the nation, seriously on face 307 00:23:08,675 --> 00:23:11,115 Speaker 1: the nation. I don't know if that was part of 308 00:23:11,155 --> 00:23:15,715 Speaker 1: the Sherry Redstone bribe deal with Trump, or if that 309 00:23:15,915 --> 00:23:24,195 Speaker 1: was Trump's reply from Putin, if Lavrov basically saying f 310 00:23:24,275 --> 00:23:27,835 Speaker 1: U Trump was Putin's way of saying I didn't like 311 00:23:27,915 --> 00:23:34,155 Speaker 1: that post, which ended, as you will recall, with him 312 00:23:34,195 --> 00:23:37,275 Speaker 1: suggesting that maybe Putin has to be dealt with differently 313 00:23:37,675 --> 00:23:42,275 Speaker 1: through banking or secondary sanctions. Too many people are dying. 314 00:23:45,835 --> 00:23:51,035 Speaker 1: This could be in summation, a setup for Putin to 315 00:23:51,155 --> 00:23:54,555 Speaker 1: allow Putin to propose his own deal in Ukraine, still 316 00:23:54,675 --> 00:24:00,035 Speaker 1: utterly unacceptable, but maybe ten percent less unacceptable than all 317 00:24:00,035 --> 00:24:04,675 Speaker 1: of his current demands. Whereupon Trump says he got Pootin 318 00:24:04,715 --> 00:24:10,035 Speaker 1: and to make a deal. Owen Zelensky rejected it. But ultimately, 319 00:24:11,355 --> 00:24:15,475 Speaker 1: perhaps the most interesting thing in that entire post, perhaps 320 00:24:15,515 --> 00:24:19,515 Speaker 1: the most frightening thing in that entire post, perhaps the 321 00:24:19,515 --> 00:24:22,635 Speaker 1: most revelatory thing in that entire post, is that one 322 00:24:22,675 --> 00:24:26,835 Speaker 1: phrase in there makes me think that maybe he doesn't 323 00:24:26,835 --> 00:24:30,835 Speaker 1: want to stop the war, He's just tapping me along. 324 00:24:34,555 --> 00:24:39,195 Speaker 1: I am thirteen years younger than Trump, but I am 325 00:24:39,235 --> 00:24:44,195 Speaker 1: from the same metropolitan area. The generation before me grew 326 00:24:44,275 --> 00:24:48,995 Speaker 1: up here as his generation before him did. I went 327 00:24:49,075 --> 00:24:51,675 Speaker 1: to a private school that played sports against the military 328 00:24:51,755 --> 00:24:57,355 Speaker 1: school they were forced to send him to instead. Of 329 00:24:57,395 --> 00:25:05,035 Speaker 1: the Juvie Home juvenile detention Home. I went to Ivy 330 00:25:05,075 --> 00:25:07,875 Speaker 1: League University as he did, and for vastly different reasons. 331 00:25:08,275 --> 00:25:10,995 Speaker 1: I probably actually went to fewer classes than he did. 332 00:25:11,915 --> 00:25:14,875 Speaker 1: In my defense, I graduated in seven semesters. Also, I 333 00:25:14,955 --> 00:25:20,715 Speaker 1: cut a lot, and like him, I have lived in 334 00:25:20,715 --> 00:25:25,475 Speaker 1: New York or the immediate suburbs for roughly fifty three years, 335 00:25:25,915 --> 00:25:31,595 Speaker 1: including the last twenty four uninterruptedly. I have also studied 336 00:25:31,675 --> 00:25:36,955 Speaker 1: and loved language and slang and slanguage for the whole 337 00:25:36,995 --> 00:25:41,075 Speaker 1: of my life. And I have never before heard the 338 00:25:41,115 --> 00:25:47,155 Speaker 1: phrase he's just tapping me along, Nor can I find 339 00:25:47,235 --> 00:25:52,475 Speaker 1: any reference to it anywhere. I thought, well, maybe that's 340 00:25:52,475 --> 00:25:57,275 Speaker 1: a British expression. It is not. Maybe it translates from 341 00:25:57,355 --> 00:26:01,595 Speaker 1: the German or the Russian. It does not. I mean, 342 00:26:01,635 --> 00:26:07,395 Speaker 1: it could be a regional variant specific to Jamaica estates 343 00:26:07,435 --> 00:26:10,875 Speaker 1: in Queens, New York. It could be a variant of 344 00:26:10,915 --> 00:26:15,235 Speaker 1: the slang meaning of tapping. Tapping is a little sleeker 345 00:26:15,315 --> 00:26:20,235 Speaker 1: sounding version of blinking and related terms. But I don't know. 346 00:26:21,595 --> 00:26:26,595 Speaker 1: I've never heard this phrase before. There's no evidence, if 347 00:26:26,635 --> 00:26:29,315 Speaker 1: you do a search for it, that anybody has ever 348 00:26:29,515 --> 00:26:34,795 Speaker 1: used this phrase before. I mean, anybody. Maybe it's pre Internet, 349 00:26:34,835 --> 00:26:39,115 Speaker 1: maybe it's a famous phrase from Queens in nineteen fifty seven. 350 00:26:39,995 --> 00:26:44,395 Speaker 1: But he writes it with the same confidence that everybody 351 00:26:44,475 --> 00:26:47,275 Speaker 1: knows what he means, in which he writes all his 352 00:26:47,395 --> 00:26:53,395 Speaker 1: otherwise simple, childish communications. There is no doubt in his 353 00:26:53,475 --> 00:26:58,355 Speaker 1: own quote mind unquote that everybody knows. Everybody says ten 354 00:26:58,435 --> 00:27:03,595 Speaker 1: times a day, He's just tapping me along. Martha, You're 355 00:27:03,675 --> 00:27:09,635 Speaker 1: just tapping me along. You're just tapping me along, Officer. 356 00:27:12,595 --> 00:27:18,075 Speaker 1: I think, and I will so far unsuccessfully hold my 357 00:27:18,275 --> 00:27:21,675 Speaker 1: glee until this is confirmed that Trump has in fact 358 00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:29,755 Speaker 1: manufactured this phrase inside his disordered, damaged mind. If you 359 00:27:29,795 --> 00:27:36,595 Speaker 1: remember kofeve CoV f EFI was a major typo or 360 00:27:36,715 --> 00:27:40,795 Speaker 1: maybe narcole xp or maybe he was typing it out 361 00:27:40,795 --> 00:27:45,475 Speaker 1: on Twitter, slipped, fell his head, hit send the end. 362 00:27:48,515 --> 00:27:52,995 Speaker 1: But tapping me along, that's from a language only Trump 363 00:27:53,115 --> 00:27:57,675 Speaker 1: has ever heard. I think his illness or injury or 364 00:27:57,715 --> 00:28:02,915 Speaker 1: malformation or whatever it is, might might might have just 365 00:28:03,115 --> 00:28:06,515 Speaker 1: reached the stage where he he is making up his 366 00:28:06,635 --> 00:28:20,355 Speaker 1: own words, speaking in tongues. Personal neologism, a phasia, accelerating 367 00:28:20,395 --> 00:28:27,235 Speaker 1: mental or intellectual malfunction. You know that moment when your 368 00:28:27,235 --> 00:28:38,875 Speaker 1: brain starts tapping you along. I have once been in 369 00:28:38,915 --> 00:28:45,635 Speaker 1: the company of a relative who was suffering from acute 370 00:28:45,675 --> 00:28:50,195 Speaker 1: attack of bipolarity and began to make up his own words. 371 00:28:51,795 --> 00:28:54,555 Speaker 1: It is one of the more terrifying things to have 372 00:28:54,635 --> 00:28:59,635 Speaker 1: ever witnessed. And even he did not say, you're just 373 00:28:59,795 --> 00:29:04,035 Speaker 1: tapping me along. Headlines on Day ninety nine of America 374 00:29:04,075 --> 00:29:07,315 Speaker 1: held hostage the Trump dictatorship. If the Canadian Liberals beat 375 00:29:07,355 --> 00:29:10,195 Speaker 1: the Conservatives in the election today, remember to thank Trump 376 00:29:10,915 --> 00:29:13,395 Speaker 1: and thank the fact that the creepy Conservative candidate has 377 00:29:13,395 --> 00:29:16,675 Speaker 1: some kind of weird iguana thing going where he can't 378 00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:21,875 Speaker 1: fully open his eyes. In the Maga answer to the 379 00:29:21,915 --> 00:29:25,315 Speaker 1: White House Correspondence dinner Saturday, like you needed to answer that, 380 00:29:25,875 --> 00:29:30,195 Speaker 1: the scum drank cocktails with what passes for witty names 381 00:29:30,275 --> 00:29:33,475 Speaker 1: in their world. None of them were named just tapping 382 00:29:33,475 --> 00:29:36,635 Speaker 1: me along, although I would have given them credit for 383 00:29:36,675 --> 00:29:40,475 Speaker 1: doing that. One of the drinks was called leakers and Liars, 384 00:29:40,555 --> 00:29:44,555 Speaker 1: meaning the Maga were drinking what happens when you take 385 00:29:44,595 --> 00:29:51,355 Speaker 1: a leak fitting And yes, Trump fell asleep at the 386 00:29:51,395 --> 00:29:57,515 Speaker 1: Pope's funeral, upright on camera, with his rubbery lips beginning 387 00:29:57,595 --> 00:30:05,235 Speaker 1: to slide apart and this week's Milania did not wake 388 00:30:05,355 --> 00:30:17,995 Speaker 1: him well. Given the choice, would you also of interest? 389 00:30:17,995 --> 00:30:20,195 Speaker 1: Here in this all new edition, Bill Maher comes back 390 00:30:20,195 --> 00:30:22,755 Speaker 1: at Larry David, saying Larry's implication that going to the 391 00:30:22,755 --> 00:30:25,315 Speaker 1: White House for dinner with Trump was like going to 392 00:30:25,355 --> 00:30:28,995 Speaker 1: the old Chancellery for dinner with Hitler. Bill says you 393 00:30:28,995 --> 00:30:32,915 Speaker 1: should never invoke Hitler and says Larry had insulted six 394 00:30:32,955 --> 00:30:37,675 Speaker 1: million dead Jews, which might be an answer if Bill 395 00:30:37,755 --> 00:30:41,835 Speaker 1: Maher had not made the exact same comparison on his 396 00:30:41,995 --> 00:30:49,475 Speaker 1: own show in twenty fifteen. That's next. This is Countdown. 397 00:30:51,715 --> 00:31:16,555 Speaker 1: This is Countdown with Keith Olberman still ahead. On this 398 00:31:16,595 --> 00:31:19,795 Speaker 1: all new edition of Countdown. Somebody wrote something in fond 399 00:31:19,835 --> 00:31:23,875 Speaker 1: remembrance of doctor Carl Sagan the other day and it 400 00:31:23,915 --> 00:31:27,755 Speaker 1: reminded me and I had forgotten about this that forty 401 00:31:27,795 --> 00:31:31,475 Speaker 1: seven years ago. Last week he won the Pulitzer Prize, 402 00:31:32,075 --> 00:31:34,795 Speaker 1: and when our radio station at Cornell called him on 403 00:31:34,835 --> 00:31:37,155 Speaker 1: the off chance he'd do an interview with us since 404 00:31:37,195 --> 00:31:40,875 Speaker 1: he was also at Cornell, he said yes, but only 405 00:31:40,955 --> 00:31:46,835 Speaker 1: if it's with your sportscaster Keith. I was nineteen totally unknown, 406 00:31:47,795 --> 00:31:52,275 Speaker 1: and he became the first famous person I ever interviewed. 407 00:31:52,955 --> 00:31:57,835 Speaker 1: Why he asked for me explained next in things I 408 00:31:57,875 --> 00:32:01,595 Speaker 1: promised not to tell. First of all, eve it or not, 409 00:32:01,595 --> 00:32:03,995 Speaker 1: there's still more new idiots to talk about the roundup 410 00:32:03,995 --> 00:32:07,035 Speaker 1: of the misgrints, orons and Dunning Kruger effects specimens who 411 00:32:07,075 --> 00:32:13,355 Speaker 1: constitute the latest other worst persons in the Cosmos world. 412 00:32:14,555 --> 00:32:20,755 Speaker 1: Let me dedicate this to Press Secretary Caroline Levitt. They 413 00:32:20,755 --> 00:32:24,715 Speaker 1: are talking about promoting her to a cabinet position. I 414 00:32:24,755 --> 00:32:27,275 Speaker 1: do not think it is a coincidence that this is 415 00:32:27,315 --> 00:32:30,755 Speaker 1: because perhaps her first name contains the letters of the 416 00:32:30,795 --> 00:32:36,635 Speaker 1: word lie and her last name contains the letters of 417 00:32:36,675 --> 00:32:42,915 Speaker 1: the word lie. Here's a tip to the news network 418 00:32:42,995 --> 00:32:48,595 Speaker 1: stop airing her so called press briefings live. Exceeding even 419 00:32:48,595 --> 00:32:52,115 Speaker 1: the Sean Spicers and Dana Perinos of this world, she 420 00:32:52,355 --> 00:32:56,235 Speaker 1: is lying well over half the time. It is pure 421 00:32:56,275 --> 00:33:04,195 Speaker 1: propaganda and racism and idiotic and moral cannibalism. As I 422 00:33:04,235 --> 00:33:09,195 Speaker 1: suggest earlier. Kudos to the BBC, which, after ninety plus 423 00:33:09,275 --> 00:33:12,395 Speaker 1: days of carrying these things lives, seems to have figured 424 00:33:12,435 --> 00:33:15,995 Speaker 1: out this whole idea and now just replays later on 425 00:33:16,115 --> 00:33:19,875 Speaker 1: anything she says that is either relevant or true. It's 426 00:33:19,955 --> 00:33:23,715 Speaker 1: usually about a twelve second clip. The domestic networks continue 427 00:33:23,755 --> 00:33:26,395 Speaker 1: to run it live at least on occasion because it 428 00:33:26,515 --> 00:33:32,115 Speaker 1: is the cheapest possible live programming. And in say MSNBC's case, 429 00:33:32,875 --> 00:33:36,515 Speaker 1: do you prefer this or forty five minutes of Katie Terror? 430 00:33:37,955 --> 00:33:42,715 Speaker 1: I have already submitted my answer to the judges. Anyway, 431 00:33:43,755 --> 00:33:48,555 Speaker 1: the bronze works. It goes to Trump, President Scrooge McDuck himself. 432 00:33:49,395 --> 00:33:52,555 Speaker 1: He does something stupid or cheap or both, and his 433 00:33:52,635 --> 00:33:57,315 Speaker 1: stupid cheap supporters go crazy over it. He's installing two 434 00:33:57,435 --> 00:34:01,235 Speaker 1: one hundred foot flag poles at the White House to 435 00:34:01,315 --> 00:34:06,115 Speaker 1: further ruin the landscaping. All I know he intends to 436 00:34:06,115 --> 00:34:11,435 Speaker 1: put them one atop the other. But he's paying for 437 00:34:11,515 --> 00:34:19,635 Speaker 1: them himself. Oh boys, say the talking skunks of trump'sburrow, Oklahoma. 438 00:34:19,755 --> 00:34:25,475 Speaker 1: He's paying for them big flag polies himself. That must 439 00:34:25,555 --> 00:34:31,275 Speaker 1: be billions. Even a one hundred foot flagpole sells for 440 00:34:31,395 --> 00:34:37,115 Speaker 1: only twenty nine thousand dollars retail, so President Scrooge McDuck 441 00:34:37,555 --> 00:34:48,755 Speaker 1: is shelling out fifty eight grand. Wow, big spender if 442 00:34:48,755 --> 00:34:54,035 Speaker 1: he ever pays the bill. Listen, one hundred foot Flagpole 443 00:34:54,115 --> 00:34:59,595 Speaker 1: Company of Alexandria, Virginia or wherever get it in cash 444 00:34:59,675 --> 00:35:06,155 Speaker 1: up front. I'm just saying, maybe maybe nome and eight 445 00:35:06,235 --> 00:35:09,955 Speaker 1: action dress up sets. Maybe she has it in cash 446 00:35:10,435 --> 00:35:15,835 Speaker 1: in her wallet, in her bag. The runner up worser 447 00:35:16,035 --> 00:35:19,675 Speaker 1: Ed Martin, nominee for Gulag Meister of the Capitol Military 448 00:35:19,715 --> 00:35:23,195 Speaker 1: dis No, I'm sorry, nominee for US Attorney in DC 449 00:35:23,755 --> 00:35:26,475 Speaker 1: and serving now as Acting US Attorney in d C. 450 00:35:26,875 --> 00:35:29,595 Speaker 1: Let me just read this headline about Ed from the 451 00:35:29,675 --> 00:35:36,155 Speaker 1: Jewish Forward Quote exclusive. Trump nominee apologizes for praising Nazi 452 00:35:36,235 --> 00:35:41,915 Speaker 1: sympathizer while awaiting Senate confirmation hearing. US Attorney pick Ed 453 00:35:41,995 --> 00:35:45,595 Speaker 1: Martin said he was unaware of Timothy Hale Qsinelli's views 454 00:35:45,875 --> 00:35:53,315 Speaker 1: and white supremacist ties, which he now denounces. That headline, 455 00:35:53,475 --> 00:35:57,555 Speaker 1: Trump nominee apologizes for praising Nazi sympathizer while awaiting Senate 456 00:35:57,555 --> 00:36:01,795 Speaker 1: confirmation hearing. But did he do it in the hallway? 457 00:36:03,035 --> 00:36:05,275 Speaker 1: By the way, I'd like to apologize. I have to 458 00:36:05,275 --> 00:36:07,395 Speaker 1: go in here in a minute, but I do apologize. 459 00:36:07,475 --> 00:36:12,635 Speaker 1: That's a headline New York Times. One of the keys 460 00:36:12,755 --> 00:36:14,555 Speaker 1: to never letting on that you are one of the 461 00:36:14,595 --> 00:36:19,235 Speaker 1: batties is to never ask any questions about the other batties. 462 00:36:20,315 --> 00:36:23,475 Speaker 1: Nor believe any of the answers that you are avoiding 463 00:36:23,515 --> 00:36:27,395 Speaker 1: in the first place. This guy Hale Cusinelli that ed 464 00:36:27,435 --> 00:36:32,435 Speaker 1: Martin first praised, then denounced while awaiting confirmation, then said 465 00:36:32,435 --> 00:36:35,635 Speaker 1: he knew nothing about him. That's the stupid looking kid 466 00:36:35,955 --> 00:36:39,555 Speaker 1: who tried to pose on the internet as Hitler with 467 00:36:39,635 --> 00:36:42,715 Speaker 1: the little mustache and the hair combed that way and 468 00:36:42,795 --> 00:36:46,195 Speaker 1: the hand at his chest. But instead of looking tough 469 00:36:47,035 --> 00:36:49,715 Speaker 1: or like a candidate for the Trump Cabinet, he just 470 00:36:49,755 --> 00:36:53,475 Speaker 1: wound up looking like one of the rejected actors in 471 00:36:53,555 --> 00:36:58,035 Speaker 1: the Producers and he might sink ed Martin. Good work, 472 00:36:58,075 --> 00:37:03,915 Speaker 1: baby Dolf, but our winner, same topic yet again, Bill. 473 00:37:05,835 --> 00:37:10,155 Speaker 1: Another way to avoid the consequences for doing something really, really, 474 00:37:10,315 --> 00:37:14,195 Speaker 1: really stupid is to change the narrative and pull a 475 00:37:14,195 --> 00:37:19,795 Speaker 1: bit of len aboutism against your critic. Mar went back 476 00:37:19,875 --> 00:37:22,635 Speaker 1: on the air and dragged Al Gore, for whom I 477 00:37:22,675 --> 00:37:25,275 Speaker 1: worked the living definition of the cliche the road to 478 00:37:25,315 --> 00:37:29,395 Speaker 1: Hell is paved with good intentions, dragged Gore into defending 479 00:37:29,475 --> 00:37:33,515 Speaker 1: Mar's Dinner with Air Trump. Mar also attacked Larry David 480 00:37:33,555 --> 00:37:35,955 Speaker 1: for his soon to be Pulitzer Prize winning satire My 481 00:37:36,075 --> 00:37:39,915 Speaker 1: Dinner with Adolph by trying to make Larry appear like 482 00:37:39,995 --> 00:37:44,715 Speaker 1: he's an anti Semite. No offense, Larry, but Bill would 483 00:37:44,715 --> 00:37:46,995 Speaker 1: have more success trying to make you appear like you're 484 00:37:46,995 --> 00:37:52,115 Speaker 1: a Boston Red Sox fan. In an interview with Piers Morgan, 485 00:37:52,635 --> 00:37:55,075 Speaker 1: which I assume Bill did just in case he had 486 00:37:55,075 --> 00:37:58,195 Speaker 1: not destroyed his career by going to have dinner with Trump, 487 00:37:58,715 --> 00:38:03,875 Speaker 1: mar said of Larry's epic evisceration of him, quote fans 488 00:38:03,995 --> 00:38:08,355 Speaker 1: de Ball, it's kind of insulting to six million dead Jews. 489 00:38:08,795 --> 00:38:12,715 Speaker 1: It's an argument you kind of lost just to start it. Look, 490 00:38:12,835 --> 00:38:16,595 Speaker 1: maybe it's not completely logically fair, but Hitler has really 491 00:38:16,715 --> 00:38:18,915 Speaker 1: kind of got to stay in his own place. He 492 00:38:19,075 --> 00:38:21,555 Speaker 1: is the goat of evil. We're just going to have 493 00:38:21,595 --> 00:38:24,355 Speaker 1: to leave it like that. I don't want to make 494 00:38:24,395 --> 00:38:27,395 Speaker 1: it constantly personal with me and Larry. We might be 495 00:38:27,515 --> 00:38:33,475 Speaker 1: friends again. Bill doesn't want to make that constantly personal. 496 00:38:33,555 --> 00:38:36,275 Speaker 1: But he just accused Larry David of insulting six million 497 00:38:36,315 --> 00:38:40,955 Speaker 1: dead Jews. Because that's not personal. It's comedy quoting again, 498 00:38:41,755 --> 00:38:44,475 Speaker 1: I can take a shot, and I can also take 499 00:38:44,475 --> 00:38:46,635 Speaker 1: it when people disagree with me. That's not exactly the 500 00:38:46,635 --> 00:38:48,795 Speaker 1: way I would have done it. Again. The irony, let's 501 00:38:48,795 --> 00:38:51,115 Speaker 1: go back to what my original thing was. There's got 502 00:38:51,155 --> 00:38:52,955 Speaker 1: to be a better way than hurling insults and not 503 00:38:53,075 --> 00:38:55,115 Speaker 1: talking to people. If I can talk to Trump, I 504 00:38:55,155 --> 00:39:00,835 Speaker 1: can talk to Larry David too. Wait so wait wait 505 00:39:00,835 --> 00:39:03,475 Speaker 1: wait wait wait wait wait. You don't want to hurl insults. 506 00:39:03,475 --> 00:39:07,395 Speaker 1: So you said, Larry insulting six million dead Jews. That's 507 00:39:07,435 --> 00:39:11,315 Speaker 1: not an insult. That's not personal. It's not an insult, 508 00:39:11,555 --> 00:39:17,635 Speaker 1: it's comedy. Gold another quote, This wasn't my favorite moment 509 00:39:17,675 --> 00:39:19,915 Speaker 1: of our friendship. I think the minute you play the 510 00:39:19,995 --> 00:39:23,515 Speaker 1: Hitler card, you've lost the argument. Come on, man, Hitler 511 00:39:23,835 --> 00:39:30,355 Speaker 1: nazis a hem from the transcript of HBO's Real Time 512 00:39:30,435 --> 00:39:36,395 Speaker 1: with Bill Maher the eighteenth of September two thousand and fifteen, 513 00:39:37,275 --> 00:39:40,675 Speaker 1: in which Bill Maher says, quote I try to resist 514 00:39:40,715 --> 00:39:43,995 Speaker 1: comparisons to Hitler because there's only one Hitler. He broke 515 00:39:44,035 --> 00:39:48,275 Speaker 1: them all. But you know what, if you're stirring up 516 00:39:48,355 --> 00:39:54,435 Speaker 1: xenophobic hate among an angry, humiliated population and talking about 517 00:39:54,515 --> 00:40:01,395 Speaker 1: rounding up minorities, it's a little Hitler adjacent talking about Trump. 518 00:40:02,155 --> 00:40:04,275 Speaker 1: And if you say, oh, he didn't compare Trump to 519 00:40:04,355 --> 00:40:08,075 Speaker 1: Hitler ten years ago, he just called him Hitler adjacent, 520 00:40:08,395 --> 00:40:11,795 Speaker 1: that's not comparing him. And then he responded to Larry 521 00:40:11,795 --> 00:40:13,955 Speaker 1: by saying, I think the minute you play the Hitler card, 522 00:40:13,955 --> 00:40:15,915 Speaker 1: you've lost the argument if you think those are not 523 00:40:16,155 --> 00:40:20,435 Speaker 1: exact matches. From the transcript of HBO's Real Time with 524 00:40:20,515 --> 00:40:25,235 Speaker 1: Bill Maher three weeks earlier, August twenty eight, twenty fifteen, 525 00:40:25,475 --> 00:40:28,635 Speaker 1: Bill Maher talks about Trump's rhetoric about China. Again, this 526 00:40:28,795 --> 00:40:32,835 Speaker 1: is nearly a decade ago. The anniversary party at the 527 00:40:32,875 --> 00:40:35,595 Speaker 1: Bill Mahers set will be August twenty eighth of this year. 528 00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:39,675 Speaker 1: On the show in August twenty eight, twenty fifteen, Mars says, quote, 529 00:40:40,035 --> 00:40:44,275 Speaker 1: that's the way Hitler talked about the Jews. See as 530 00:40:44,315 --> 00:40:47,075 Speaker 1: Bill has just demonstrated yet another way to avoid the 531 00:40:47,115 --> 00:40:52,355 Speaker 1: consequences for doing something really, really, really stupid is to 532 00:40:52,915 --> 00:40:56,835 Speaker 1: have completely forgotten you did the exact same thing yourself 533 00:40:57,195 --> 00:41:03,235 Speaker 1: on your own show in twenty fifteen. Bill. I know 534 00:41:03,275 --> 00:41:05,235 Speaker 1: you claim to have done a lot of drugs, but 535 00:41:05,315 --> 00:41:11,475 Speaker 1: that much drugs you don't remember twenty fifteen. Bill, when 536 00:41:11,515 --> 00:41:14,515 Speaker 1: somebody else compares Trump to Hitler, they've immediately lost the 537 00:41:14,635 --> 00:41:17,675 Speaker 1: argument and insulted six million dead Jews. But when I 538 00:41:17,835 --> 00:41:21,435 Speaker 1: compare Trump to Hitler, it's avant garde, edgy humor. Look 539 00:41:21,475 --> 00:41:24,795 Speaker 1: how far ahead of the curve? I was mar two 540 00:41:24,915 --> 00:41:50,235 Speaker 1: days other worst person. There's the word to the number 541 00:41:50,235 --> 00:41:52,795 Speaker 1: one story on the countdown and a change in mood 542 00:41:52,795 --> 00:41:56,715 Speaker 1: and a quick break. And the other day somebody mentioned 543 00:41:56,755 --> 00:42:02,555 Speaker 1: the work of doctor Carl Sagan. The name may ring 544 00:42:02,595 --> 00:42:05,955 Speaker 1: a bell. At one point, Carl Carl Sagan was easily 545 00:42:05,995 --> 00:42:10,395 Speaker 1: the most famous scientist in America, up there with doctor 546 00:42:10,515 --> 00:42:14,915 Speaker 1: Salk of the vaccine, up there with Freud. You name 547 00:42:14,995 --> 00:42:19,515 Speaker 1: the scientist. Carl Sagan was probably more famous because Carl 548 00:42:19,555 --> 00:42:22,715 Speaker 1: Sagan was on TV every couple of weeks. He was 549 00:42:22,795 --> 00:42:26,595 Speaker 1: also and that was the joke. He was also a 550 00:42:26,635 --> 00:42:31,675 Speaker 1: professor of astronomy and related sciences at Cornell University. When 551 00:42:31,715 --> 00:42:34,635 Speaker 1: I was a student there. I did not take his course. 552 00:42:35,075 --> 00:42:37,635 Speaker 1: I suppose I could have gotten into it. As it 553 00:42:37,675 --> 00:42:41,355 Speaker 1: turned out, he knew who I was. I'll get to 554 00:42:41,395 --> 00:42:45,475 Speaker 1: that story in a moment. This is about interviewing Carl Sagan. 555 00:42:46,355 --> 00:42:50,875 Speaker 1: I have interviewed a lot of famous people, and I 556 00:42:51,035 --> 00:42:54,395 Speaker 1: don't think of myself as a good interviewer. I don't 557 00:42:54,395 --> 00:42:57,755 Speaker 1: think of myself as an interviewer. I have to do it, 558 00:42:57,795 --> 00:42:59,995 Speaker 1: and I used to do three or four interviews a 559 00:43:00,155 --> 00:43:03,995 Speaker 1: night on my television shows, but I've never been comfortable 560 00:43:04,035 --> 00:43:07,235 Speaker 1: doing it. I often don't have any questions. I'm often 561 00:43:07,275 --> 00:43:10,475 Speaker 1: not interested in what the guest has to say. That's 562 00:43:10,515 --> 00:43:13,435 Speaker 1: why there has never been an actual guest here on 563 00:43:13,475 --> 00:43:17,195 Speaker 1: this podcast. I will break this President someday. We are 564 00:43:17,235 --> 00:43:21,355 Speaker 1: approaching the third anniversary as I record this, but I 565 00:43:21,395 --> 00:43:24,715 Speaker 1: haven't done it yet, have I Well, so it's easier 566 00:43:24,715 --> 00:43:27,475 Speaker 1: if it's just you, then you can say at the 567 00:43:27,555 --> 00:43:31,915 Speaker 1: end of it, all of it was my fault. I've interviewed, 568 00:43:31,915 --> 00:43:36,675 Speaker 1: as it turns out, six presidents, none of them while 569 00:43:36,755 --> 00:43:39,955 Speaker 1: they were president, either before or after, and for a 570 00:43:39,955 --> 00:43:42,275 Speaker 1: long time I used to say that my first president 571 00:43:42,355 --> 00:43:44,795 Speaker 1: was Ronald Reagan, who I interviewed in nineteen ninety two 572 00:43:45,355 --> 00:43:49,675 Speaker 1: on radio for ESPN about a football player who'd suffered 573 00:43:49,955 --> 00:43:54,595 Speaker 1: a damaging injury and a neck conclusion that left him briefly, thankfully, 574 00:43:54,635 --> 00:43:58,715 Speaker 1: briefly paralyzed, And the head of ESPN Radio was a 575 00:43:59,475 --> 00:44:02,475 Speaker 1: not that sophisticated sports fan who thought that we could 576 00:44:02,475 --> 00:44:06,115 Speaker 1: appeal to a non sports audience on sports stations around 577 00:44:06,155 --> 00:44:08,715 Speaker 1: the country on the weekends by having Ronald Reagan on 578 00:44:09,155 --> 00:44:12,435 Speaker 1: you forget in the context of the time nineteen ninety two, 579 00:44:12,915 --> 00:44:16,075 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan got elected, Yes, because he was a reactionary 580 00:44:16,115 --> 00:44:18,875 Speaker 1: governor from California, and he'd been governor two times there. 581 00:44:18,995 --> 00:44:22,195 Speaker 1: And yes, he was a famous TV guy who hosted 582 00:44:22,715 --> 00:44:26,195 Speaker 1: a rather low grade TV show that appealed to low 583 00:44:26,235 --> 00:44:28,795 Speaker 1: grade people. And he was only the first of two 584 00:44:28,835 --> 00:44:31,755 Speaker 1: presidents who could be said to have done that. And 585 00:44:32,115 --> 00:44:34,995 Speaker 1: he was a sportscaster, and he was an iconic figure 586 00:44:35,035 --> 00:44:37,675 Speaker 1: from a couple of sports movies, the one about the Gipper. 587 00:44:37,835 --> 00:44:40,675 Speaker 1: The Gipper is from a sports movie. It's complete nonsense, 588 00:44:40,715 --> 00:44:43,555 Speaker 1: the story about the dying player George Gip, but it 589 00:44:43,555 --> 00:44:46,435 Speaker 1: gave him a sports context. So I interviewed Ronald Reagan, 590 00:44:46,595 --> 00:44:49,075 Speaker 1: and I had to tell the story in my questions 591 00:44:49,155 --> 00:44:51,195 Speaker 1: so he knew what I was talking about. That's nineteen 592 00:44:51,275 --> 00:44:53,835 Speaker 1: ninety two, he'd only been out of office three years, 593 00:44:53,875 --> 00:44:56,715 Speaker 1: and he was already insignificant decline that I had to 594 00:44:56,755 --> 00:44:59,875 Speaker 1: help him in the interview. Fortunately it was pre recorded. 595 00:45:01,635 --> 00:45:03,875 Speaker 1: I interviewed though, as it turned out, and I've told 596 00:45:03,875 --> 00:45:05,515 Speaker 1: the story and don't want want to go through it again. 597 00:45:05,555 --> 00:45:08,395 Speaker 1: I interviewed Trump in nineteen eighty three, and I will 598 00:45:08,475 --> 00:45:10,355 Speaker 1: recall this part of it and tell it to you 599 00:45:10,395 --> 00:45:14,355 Speaker 1: again that the cameraman on that shoot. I ran into 600 00:45:14,435 --> 00:45:18,275 Speaker 1: him maybe in twenty sixteen or seventeen after not seeing 601 00:45:18,355 --> 00:45:21,235 Speaker 1: him for decades, and he said, remember when we interviewed 602 00:45:21,235 --> 00:45:23,355 Speaker 1: that guy? And I went sure do. He goes, remember 603 00:45:23,395 --> 00:45:25,195 Speaker 1: what you said after we did the interview and I 604 00:45:25,195 --> 00:45:27,675 Speaker 1: went no. He said, well, we were walking back to 605 00:45:27,715 --> 00:45:29,555 Speaker 1: the truck and you didn't say anything, and we were 606 00:45:29,555 --> 00:45:32,235 Speaker 1: really worried because that was you. You always said something 607 00:45:32,555 --> 00:45:36,035 Speaker 1: all the time. I went, yeah, that's me. He said, 608 00:45:36,075 --> 00:45:38,195 Speaker 1: when we got back to the truck, you finally set 609 00:45:38,235 --> 00:45:40,875 Speaker 1: down the sticks the tripod which I was carrying, and 610 00:45:40,915 --> 00:45:44,355 Speaker 1: he said, you said, uh, what the f was wrong 611 00:45:44,395 --> 00:45:48,635 Speaker 1: with that guy? And that's all you said. Got that 612 00:45:48,715 --> 00:45:54,755 Speaker 1: one right. I later interviewed in order Obama when he 613 00:45:54,795 --> 00:45:57,235 Speaker 1: declared his candidac here just before he declared his candidacy 614 00:45:57,235 --> 00:45:58,755 Speaker 1: in two thousand and six. He was a live guest 615 00:45:58,795 --> 00:46:04,675 Speaker 1: on Countdown Obama and Biden at a Democratic semi debate 616 00:46:04,795 --> 00:46:07,755 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven Biden separately during the campaign 617 00:46:07,795 --> 00:46:11,555 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight. I interviewed Bill Clinton several 618 00:46:11,595 --> 00:46:14,115 Speaker 1: times in two thousand and six, seven, eight, and I 619 00:46:14,155 --> 00:46:18,995 Speaker 1: think ten. And Jimmy Carter I met at the Democratic 620 00:46:19,115 --> 00:46:21,275 Speaker 1: National Convention in two thousand and eight and interviewed him 621 00:46:21,315 --> 00:46:23,115 Speaker 1: the first of many times. And as I've mentioned with 622 00:46:23,155 --> 00:46:27,515 Speaker 1: great pride, the late Jimmy Carter was a Countdown junkie. 623 00:46:27,555 --> 00:46:29,395 Speaker 1: He and his family used to watch every night and 624 00:46:29,395 --> 00:46:33,035 Speaker 1: would rearrange their schedules and sometimes DVR the show so 625 00:46:33,075 --> 00:46:35,195 Speaker 1: they could all watch at the same time, and they 626 00:46:35,235 --> 00:46:37,715 Speaker 1: would often pause it during the commercials so they could 627 00:46:37,715 --> 00:46:40,635 Speaker 1: have group discussions with people who weren't with them about 628 00:46:40,675 --> 00:46:44,795 Speaker 1: what they've just heard. If you ever need reassurance that 629 00:46:44,795 --> 00:46:47,595 Speaker 1: you know what you're doing, take it from Jimmy Carter. 630 00:46:48,075 --> 00:46:53,275 Speaker 1: I vaguely and viscerally understand why the people at Fox 631 00:46:53,395 --> 00:46:57,035 Speaker 1: News line up and Newsmax and the others line up 632 00:46:57,635 --> 00:47:04,195 Speaker 1: and so desperately respond to Trump's support and recognition of them. 633 00:47:04,235 --> 00:47:06,955 Speaker 1: I under stand it in a visceral sense. There is 634 00:47:07,035 --> 00:47:10,675 Speaker 1: a certain element of egotism involved in this. I felt 635 00:47:10,675 --> 00:47:16,115 Speaker 1: it myself about one hundred percent or so. I've interviewed 636 00:47:16,155 --> 00:47:21,275 Speaker 1: countless actors and actresses and movie stars and comedians, and 637 00:47:21,635 --> 00:47:24,795 Speaker 1: George Carlin by personal I don't know that he's the 638 00:47:24,835 --> 00:47:27,995 Speaker 1: most famous person I ever interviewed. But I interviewed Robert 639 00:47:27,995 --> 00:47:33,315 Speaker 1: Redford once and he was a viewer, and the indescribable happened. 640 00:47:33,355 --> 00:47:36,315 Speaker 1: We're having a great conversation about the environment. Robert Redford 641 00:47:36,395 --> 00:47:38,995 Speaker 1: is at his home in Colorado, and we're coming towards 642 00:47:39,035 --> 00:47:41,675 Speaker 1: the end of the show at nine o'clock and he's answering, 643 00:47:41,675 --> 00:47:44,635 Speaker 1: and he goes, excuse me, And I hadn't said anything. 644 00:47:45,155 --> 00:47:49,635 Speaker 1: Did somebody say, wrap the producer? Who will? I know 645 00:47:49,715 --> 00:47:52,235 Speaker 1: her name, but I'll leave her out of this. The 646 00:47:52,275 --> 00:47:57,755 Speaker 1: producer actually got in Robert Redford's ear during his final answer, 647 00:47:57,755 --> 00:48:00,195 Speaker 1: and rather than let him go thirty seconds long so 648 00:48:00,275 --> 00:48:02,995 Speaker 1: that the show would bleed over into the nine o'clock hour, 649 00:48:03,795 --> 00:48:09,435 Speaker 1: she tried to get Robert Redford to shut up. Otherwise, 650 00:48:09,435 --> 00:48:14,115 Speaker 1: a great interview, and all the athletes ali three times. 651 00:48:14,155 --> 00:48:18,395 Speaker 1: I think Mickey Mantle, I've told that story the interview 652 00:48:18,395 --> 00:48:21,195 Speaker 1: that ended with the comment that he made about how 653 00:48:21,235 --> 00:48:22,835 Speaker 1: if he'd known he was going to live, he would 654 00:48:22,835 --> 00:48:25,115 Speaker 1: have done better and tried harder. And I said, you 655 00:48:25,155 --> 00:48:27,515 Speaker 1: did pretty well, and he said, with the most remorse 656 00:48:27,555 --> 00:48:31,475 Speaker 1: I ever heard anybody say anything. I could have done more. 657 00:48:32,035 --> 00:48:34,235 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. And I knew when I did that 658 00:48:34,315 --> 00:48:37,075 Speaker 1: interview in Christmas Time nineteen eighty five, that that would 659 00:48:37,075 --> 00:48:39,755 Speaker 1: be the last SoundBite in the obituary I would do 660 00:48:39,875 --> 00:48:42,675 Speaker 1: for him whenever he passed. And it was a decade 661 00:48:42,755 --> 00:48:46,395 Speaker 1: later Willie Mays who answered the phone in the voice 662 00:48:46,555 --> 00:48:53,995 Speaker 1: of his own housekeeper, straight out of Gone with the Wind, 663 00:48:54,995 --> 00:48:57,635 Speaker 1: He did an impression of Hattie McDaniel. I will not 664 00:48:57,715 --> 00:49:00,115 Speaker 1: repeat it. And one of the greatest regrets I ever 665 00:49:00,155 --> 00:49:02,835 Speaker 1: had was that radio interview. I used to follow the 666 00:49:02,875 --> 00:49:04,955 Speaker 1: old rules, which is, don't record till they tell you 667 00:49:04,995 --> 00:49:08,235 Speaker 1: it's okay. So I did not record him answering the phone. 668 00:49:08,275 --> 00:49:10,835 Speaker 1: Everybody else would hit play and record while the phone 669 00:49:10,875 --> 00:49:13,235 Speaker 1: was ringing. I waited until he said it was okay, 670 00:49:13,395 --> 00:49:17,075 Speaker 1: and I missed having a copy of Willie Mays as 671 00:49:17,075 --> 00:49:21,555 Speaker 1: Hattie McDaniel as his own made and then dropping out 672 00:49:21,595 --> 00:49:23,555 Speaker 1: of that voice in mid sentence and going this is 673 00:49:23,555 --> 00:49:29,035 Speaker 1: Willie Ted Williams I interviewed in Boston. I mentioned Ali. 674 00:49:29,235 --> 00:49:31,395 Speaker 1: I once had to do Ali on the radio and 675 00:49:31,435 --> 00:49:34,275 Speaker 1: I had to basically repeat what he was saying, and 676 00:49:34,355 --> 00:49:38,315 Speaker 1: Ali nodded along like I got that right, And I 677 00:49:38,395 --> 00:49:41,955 Speaker 1: actually saw him several times thereafter, and we had friendly conversations, 678 00:49:41,955 --> 00:49:44,555 Speaker 1: one of which he never actually said anything out loud. 679 00:49:44,595 --> 00:49:47,235 Speaker 1: I just sort of heard him. I think through esp 680 00:49:47,355 --> 00:49:49,915 Speaker 1: and I don't believe in ESPA, but if it happened 681 00:49:49,955 --> 00:49:52,675 Speaker 1: in any context, that was the time it happened. So 682 00:49:52,715 --> 00:49:55,275 Speaker 1: I've done a lot of interviews, but to this day, 683 00:49:55,635 --> 00:49:59,835 Speaker 1: the most famous person I ever interviewed relatives, certainly to myself, 684 00:50:00,635 --> 00:50:04,755 Speaker 1: was doctor Carl Sagan. The Cosmo's series in the the 685 00:50:04,795 --> 00:50:10,635 Speaker 1: early eighties was one of the first American created in depth, 686 00:50:10,915 --> 00:50:16,355 Speaker 1: serious and entertaining scientific series in television history. It was 687 00:50:16,715 --> 00:50:19,155 Speaker 1: one of the most popular shows in television, even though 688 00:50:19,155 --> 00:50:21,955 Speaker 1: it was not on NBCABC or CBS, it was on PBS. 689 00:50:22,275 --> 00:50:25,595 Speaker 1: It made Carl Sagan, who was already a kind of 690 00:50:26,075 --> 00:50:31,595 Speaker 1: glib and tvgenic guy, it made him into a superstar 691 00:50:31,635 --> 00:50:34,075 Speaker 1: who appeared on The Tonight Show with Johnny Carson every 692 00:50:34,075 --> 00:50:38,195 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. That was the joke in the late 693 00:50:38,275 --> 00:50:41,275 Speaker 1: seventies at Cornell it was yes, doctor Carl Sagan, the 694 00:50:41,515 --> 00:50:44,235 Speaker 1: head of the astronomy department at the Tonight Show, who 695 00:50:44,315 --> 00:50:47,275 Speaker 1: visits us here in his satellite office in Ithaca, New York. 696 00:50:47,915 --> 00:50:51,755 Speaker 1: Well that's what we all thought about. I didn't take 697 00:50:51,795 --> 00:50:54,275 Speaker 1: the class. I'd taken an astronomy class in high school, 698 00:50:54,315 --> 00:50:57,315 Speaker 1: and I could not shake the reality that, as great 699 00:50:57,355 --> 00:50:59,155 Speaker 1: as it was taught by one of my favorite high 700 00:50:59,195 --> 00:51:02,555 Speaker 1: school teachers, a man named Randy McNaughton. The class started, 701 00:51:02,555 --> 00:51:06,395 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, at eleven twenty five, and the 702 00:51:06,435 --> 00:51:08,355 Speaker 1: first thing he would do would be shut off the lights. 703 00:51:08,395 --> 00:51:10,275 Speaker 1: And this is a bunch of kids who probably didn't 704 00:51:10,315 --> 00:51:12,915 Speaker 1: need a big breakfast, including me, who were waiting for lunch. 705 00:51:13,355 --> 00:51:16,515 Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I fell asleep during 706 00:51:16,555 --> 00:51:19,035 Speaker 1: that class, not because it was bad, but because I 707 00:51:19,115 --> 00:51:23,475 Speaker 1: was so hungry. I was basically briefly starving. You wouldn't 708 00:51:23,475 --> 00:51:25,995 Speaker 1: know it to look at me, but I was, and 709 00:51:26,075 --> 00:51:27,715 Speaker 1: I just didn't want to take it. And knowing me 710 00:51:27,795 --> 00:51:31,435 Speaker 1: at the time, you know, I wasn't going to take 711 00:51:31,475 --> 00:51:34,395 Speaker 1: a tough course. What's the point of that. I'm here 712 00:51:34,435 --> 00:51:38,275 Speaker 1: to get the degree. So in any event, I went 713 00:51:38,275 --> 00:51:43,115 Speaker 1: and look this up. It was Monday, April seventeenth, nineteen 714 00:51:43,275 --> 00:51:47,715 Speaker 1: seventy eight, and I was at WVBR at Cornell in 715 00:51:47,835 --> 00:51:51,875 Speaker 1: late afternoon preparing my sports cast in our big time 716 00:51:52,035 --> 00:51:58,395 Speaker 1: thirty minute World newscast and that we did every day 717 00:51:58,435 --> 00:52:01,235 Speaker 1: and was a pretty good newscast world report, and I 718 00:52:01,275 --> 00:52:03,875 Speaker 1: did the sports cast most nights as the sports director 719 00:52:03,875 --> 00:52:06,395 Speaker 1: of the station. And I'm just sitting there looking at 720 00:52:06,435 --> 00:52:08,675 Speaker 1: the wire copy and looking at the local news that 721 00:52:08,715 --> 00:52:11,315 Speaker 1: we might put in the sportscast. And it was an 722 00:52:11,395 --> 00:52:14,675 Speaker 1: ordinary day at the beginning of spring, this time of 723 00:52:14,755 --> 00:52:17,475 Speaker 1: year in nineteen seventy eight. I was nineteen years old. 724 00:52:18,395 --> 00:52:20,995 Speaker 1: Didn't have aspirations to do anything other than sports. I 725 00:52:21,035 --> 00:52:23,595 Speaker 1: had done news for the station. I had done live 726 00:52:23,675 --> 00:52:26,875 Speaker 1: reporting for the station, in news and in sports, but 727 00:52:26,955 --> 00:52:29,915 Speaker 1: I didn't have any aspirations to be an interviewer or 728 00:52:29,955 --> 00:52:33,075 Speaker 1: anything else. When the newscaster on duty that day says, 729 00:52:34,595 --> 00:52:36,795 Speaker 1: are you up for interviewing Carl Sagan? He just won 730 00:52:36,835 --> 00:52:40,315 Speaker 1: the Pulitzer Prize, And I went sure and get President 731 00:52:40,315 --> 00:52:42,995 Speaker 1: Carter on the phone, like he'd do an interview with me. No, No, 732 00:52:43,075 --> 00:52:46,715 Speaker 1: we're serious, And I said, what do you mean you're serious? Well, 733 00:52:46,715 --> 00:52:50,035 Speaker 1: he just won the Pulitzer Prize for nonfiction. I said, well, 734 00:52:50,115 --> 00:52:53,715 Speaker 1: good for him. And we just called his office, you know, 735 00:52:53,795 --> 00:52:56,115 Speaker 1: just to see if he'd do an interview, and he said, 736 00:52:56,475 --> 00:52:59,955 Speaker 1: I'll do an interview, but it must be live, and 737 00:53:01,035 --> 00:53:04,875 Speaker 1: is your sportscaster there today? And you know we we 738 00:53:04,915 --> 00:53:08,155 Speaker 1: went what our sportscaster? Yes, Keith is? Is he in 739 00:53:08,195 --> 00:53:10,715 Speaker 1: the studio? I like him? He seems to get it. 740 00:53:11,155 --> 00:53:13,795 Speaker 1: That was what I was told, Carl Sagan said. And 741 00:53:13,835 --> 00:53:16,875 Speaker 1: they relate this to me and I went, oh, come on, 742 00:53:17,395 --> 00:53:19,755 Speaker 1: because now apparently he listens to the station all the time. 743 00:53:19,755 --> 00:53:21,835 Speaker 1: He loves the rock and roll, and he likes you 744 00:53:21,915 --> 00:53:24,635 Speaker 1: doing the sports. He says, he's not a big sports fan, 745 00:53:24,675 --> 00:53:29,195 Speaker 1: but he enjoys your work. Well again, I can't possibly 746 00:53:29,235 --> 00:53:33,875 Speaker 1: describe how much space there was between us in terms 747 00:53:33,915 --> 00:53:39,795 Speaker 1: of renown. I was in April nineteen seventy eight, a 748 00:53:39,915 --> 00:53:44,315 Speaker 1: year and three months away from getting my first paycheck 749 00:53:44,595 --> 00:53:48,075 Speaker 1: for my first full time job in broadcasting, which would 750 00:53:48,155 --> 00:53:52,235 Speaker 1: pay me at an annual rate of sixteen five hundred dollars. 751 00:53:53,435 --> 00:53:57,435 Speaker 1: I had not made ten thousand dollars in broadcasting in 752 00:53:57,475 --> 00:54:00,995 Speaker 1: my entire life. To this point, I was pretty well 753 00:54:01,035 --> 00:54:04,395 Speaker 1: known at the radio station. There were occasionally, maybe once 754 00:54:04,435 --> 00:54:08,275 Speaker 1: every other month, fan letters, but literally the pile of 755 00:54:08,315 --> 00:54:11,315 Speaker 1: them was less than ten high. In my entire career, 756 00:54:12,075 --> 00:54:15,155 Speaker 1: I'd been paid to cover Cornell football Games by United 757 00:54:15,155 --> 00:54:18,435 Speaker 1: Press International for fifteen dollars a game, and trust me, 758 00:54:19,835 --> 00:54:22,875 Speaker 1: I was underpaid, but it was pretty good money. Fifteen 759 00:54:22,955 --> 00:54:28,395 Speaker 1: dollars to go watch that. Oh but Carl Sagan, Carl 760 00:54:28,435 --> 00:54:32,795 Speaker 1: Sagan knew Johnny Carson was on his show all the time, 761 00:54:33,115 --> 00:54:36,395 Speaker 1: had done not just the Cosmos series, but series after 762 00:54:36,435 --> 00:54:40,995 Speaker 1: series for PBS. Follow ups they sold in those early days, 763 00:54:41,355 --> 00:54:45,515 Speaker 1: they sold bootleg copies of Cosmos, which would appear, I 764 00:54:45,595 --> 00:54:50,315 Speaker 1: guess in nineteen eighty. So he was already famous before 765 00:54:50,435 --> 00:54:54,755 Speaker 1: Cosmos when this story takes place. And he'd done countless 766 00:54:54,795 --> 00:54:58,315 Speaker 1: shows for PBS already, and as I said on the 767 00:54:58,355 --> 00:55:01,115 Speaker 1: Tonight Show, all the time joking about the origins of 768 00:55:01,155 --> 00:55:05,395 Speaker 1: the universe, and he wanted to do an interview only 769 00:55:05,435 --> 00:55:10,035 Speaker 1: with me, and only live, and I said, well, when 770 00:55:10,035 --> 00:55:11,475 Speaker 1: are we going to do it? As soon as you 771 00:55:11,515 --> 00:55:16,395 Speaker 1: get in the booth, he's on hold. So one of 772 00:55:16,475 --> 00:55:19,355 Speaker 1: the things I did discover in that moment of what 773 00:55:19,435 --> 00:55:22,715 Speaker 1: should have been panic was a sense of calm, which 774 00:55:22,875 --> 00:55:25,235 Speaker 1: was okay. He won the Pulitzer Prize. What's the name 775 00:55:25,275 --> 00:55:30,035 Speaker 1: of the book, something about dragons. The book was called 776 00:55:30,115 --> 00:55:38,275 Speaker 1: The Dragons of Eden. Speculations on the Evolution of Human Intelligence. 777 00:55:38,675 --> 00:55:41,515 Speaker 1: This was not his forte. His forte was The Cosmos. 778 00:55:42,555 --> 00:55:45,835 Speaker 1: But Carl Sagan had won the Pulitzer Prize for nonfiction 779 00:55:46,275 --> 00:55:50,755 Speaker 1: and his first interview, as it turned out, his first interview. 780 00:55:51,155 --> 00:55:54,675 Speaker 1: He hadn't called anybody else back yet, He hadn't called 781 00:55:54,675 --> 00:55:57,795 Speaker 1: the Associated Press or CBS News. He wanted to talk 782 00:55:57,835 --> 00:56:02,355 Speaker 1: to Keith Alderman, the nineteen year old sportscaster who he'd 783 00:56:02,395 --> 00:56:07,235 Speaker 1: never met and in fact would never meet. And I 784 00:56:07,355 --> 00:56:11,235 Speaker 1: got in the booth and they dropped a record, and 785 00:56:11,555 --> 00:56:14,795 Speaker 1: whoever was the disc jockey said, we have some breaking news. 786 00:56:14,915 --> 00:56:18,035 Speaker 1: Doctor Carl Sagan of Cornell has won a Pulitzer prize. 787 00:56:18,195 --> 00:56:20,955 Speaker 1: Keith Olderman is here with an interview with him live 788 00:56:21,035 --> 00:56:24,795 Speaker 1: on WVVR. And I went, yes, I am doctor Sagan. 789 00:56:24,835 --> 00:56:26,835 Speaker 1: Are you there, Yes, I am Keith. It's a pleasure 790 00:56:26,875 --> 00:56:29,795 Speaker 1: to talk to you. And he sounded excited by talking 791 00:56:29,835 --> 00:56:32,955 Speaker 1: to me, And I then learned the other lesson, which is, 792 00:56:33,075 --> 00:56:36,235 Speaker 1: there is a possibility that you are as big a 793 00:56:36,275 --> 00:56:39,035 Speaker 1: deal to the interviewee as he is to you, as 794 00:56:39,155 --> 00:56:43,755 Speaker 1: unlikely as this fame gradient would have suggested. And it's 795 00:56:43,755 --> 00:56:47,075 Speaker 1: still to me, as I said, it's still it's bigger 796 00:56:47,115 --> 00:56:51,555 Speaker 1: than me interviewing Muhammad Ali. Because I was a professional 797 00:56:51,835 --> 00:56:54,595 Speaker 1: in a field that was much smaller than it is now, 798 00:56:54,715 --> 00:56:58,795 Speaker 1: and I was with the worldwide cable news network CNN. 799 00:56:59,915 --> 00:57:03,635 Speaker 1: I had some chops. This was basically Carl Sagan being 800 00:57:03,635 --> 00:57:06,875 Speaker 1: interviewed by somebody who who could have been a kid 801 00:57:06,915 --> 00:57:11,915 Speaker 1: in his class, but wasn't on his favorite radio station. 802 00:57:13,915 --> 00:57:16,235 Speaker 1: I would have assumed that would have been I don't know, 803 00:57:17,195 --> 00:57:20,355 Speaker 1: km ET in Los Angeles or something, or at least KNX. 804 00:57:22,475 --> 00:57:26,595 Speaker 1: So we talked about this, and I said, what do 805 00:57:26,635 --> 00:57:30,955 Speaker 1: you think the impact is on our understanding of human 806 00:57:31,195 --> 00:57:35,955 Speaker 1: evolution and the intelligence evolution of you winning a book 807 00:57:36,035 --> 00:57:38,355 Speaker 1: that now will have a Pulitzer Prize sticker on it 808 00:57:38,795 --> 00:57:41,075 Speaker 1: and be sold to people who don't know anything about it, 809 00:57:41,075 --> 00:57:43,355 Speaker 1: but just you're buying it because it says Pulitzer Prize. 810 00:57:43,435 --> 00:57:45,835 Speaker 1: And he prayed with laughter. He went, yeah, that was 811 00:57:45,875 --> 00:57:47,915 Speaker 1: the first thing I thought of. Obviously, it's going to 812 00:57:47,995 --> 00:57:49,795 Speaker 1: make me some more money, but my god, how many 813 00:57:49,835 --> 00:57:52,115 Speaker 1: people will now read this book just because it won 814 00:57:52,155 --> 00:57:55,595 Speaker 1: this stupid prize. And he said he was shocked that 815 00:57:56,075 --> 00:57:58,035 Speaker 1: it won this because he thought it was a good 816 00:57:58,035 --> 00:58:00,675 Speaker 1: book and he enjoyed talking about the subject, but he'd 817 00:58:00,715 --> 00:58:04,195 Speaker 1: never really seriously considered it until he'd been asked to 818 00:58:04,195 --> 00:58:06,235 Speaker 1: talk about a few years before, I think at the 819 00:58:06,315 --> 00:58:08,755 Speaker 1: University of Toronto, and he went off on a riff 820 00:58:08,755 --> 00:58:10,955 Speaker 1: and what you know, I should study this and try 821 00:58:10,955 --> 00:58:13,955 Speaker 1: to find out what would this make a good show. 822 00:58:14,795 --> 00:58:16,955 Speaker 1: And this was part of the thing that I guess 823 00:58:17,275 --> 00:58:20,835 Speaker 1: generated the big picture idea of cosmos and the evolution 824 00:58:20,955 --> 00:58:23,395 Speaker 1: of the universe leading to the evolution of man, and 825 00:58:23,475 --> 00:58:25,795 Speaker 1: the evolution of man being dependent on the evolution of 826 00:58:25,835 --> 00:58:28,395 Speaker 1: his own intelligence. So we must have gone on for 827 00:58:28,475 --> 00:58:35,035 Speaker 1: ten minutes, and he was charming and funny and self deprecating, 828 00:58:35,355 --> 00:58:39,115 Speaker 1: and I saw immediately that as good an interviewer as 829 00:58:39,195 --> 00:58:44,155 Speaker 1: Johnny Carson was the key ingredient in the joyfulness and 830 00:58:44,195 --> 00:58:47,635 Speaker 1: the fun of the Johnny Carson interviews with Carl Sagan 831 00:58:48,635 --> 00:58:51,435 Speaker 1: was not some sort of great preparation on Johnny Carson's part, 832 00:58:51,635 --> 00:58:53,995 Speaker 1: not some sort of great level of experience on Johnny 833 00:58:54,035 --> 00:58:57,075 Speaker 1: Carson's part, but the fact that Carl Sagan liked to 834 00:58:57,115 --> 00:59:00,715 Speaker 1: talk and was open and funny, and listened to the 835 00:59:00,835 --> 00:59:04,835 Speaker 1: questions carefully and said things that were almost designed to 836 00:59:04,915 --> 00:59:08,195 Speaker 1: let you come up with a follow up question. That 837 00:59:08,395 --> 00:59:10,675 Speaker 1: was when I realized that one of the greatest processes 838 00:59:10,715 --> 00:59:12,715 Speaker 1: for doing a good interview is to not have an 839 00:59:12,715 --> 00:59:14,755 Speaker 1: awful lot of time to prepare for it, to have 840 00:59:14,835 --> 00:59:17,155 Speaker 1: maybe no more than two or three questions in mind 841 00:59:17,275 --> 00:59:20,595 Speaker 1: that you can jot down in case you freeze. This 842 00:59:20,635 --> 00:59:23,115 Speaker 1: will force you to listen to what the other guy 843 00:59:23,235 --> 00:59:25,955 Speaker 1: is saying and then say, tell me more about that. 844 00:59:25,995 --> 00:59:28,755 Speaker 1: This fascinates me. Whether or not it fascinates you is irrelevant. 845 00:59:28,955 --> 00:59:32,435 Speaker 1: He wants to talk about it. He just told you so. 846 00:59:32,435 --> 00:59:35,675 Speaker 1: So at the end of this interview, I said, congratulations 847 00:59:35,675 --> 00:59:39,115 Speaker 1: again and on everything, and please give my regards. I 848 00:59:39,115 --> 00:59:41,475 Speaker 1: don't know why I said this, Please give my regards 849 00:59:41,515 --> 00:59:43,715 Speaker 1: to Johnny Carson the next time you are out there. 850 00:59:44,155 --> 00:59:46,195 Speaker 1: This is one of the great ambitions of my life 851 00:59:46,235 --> 00:59:48,395 Speaker 1: to be on the Tonight Show. Oh, I'll see if 852 00:59:48,395 --> 00:59:49,995 Speaker 1: I can arrange for you to be a guest. Ha 853 00:59:50,035 --> 00:59:53,315 Speaker 1: ha ha. I was a guest on The Tonight Show 854 00:59:53,355 --> 00:59:56,755 Speaker 1: twenty five years later. Like to the day, it wasn't 855 00:59:56,835 --> 00:59:59,915 Speaker 1: Johnny Carson, but it was still The Tonight Show. But 856 00:59:59,995 --> 01:00:05,635 Speaker 1: the punchline to this is having discovered and one of 857 01:00:05,675 --> 01:00:10,355 Speaker 1: the most famous professors at any American University in the 858 01:00:10,435 --> 01:00:13,115 Speaker 1: late twentieth century, maybe in the whole of the twentieth century. 859 01:00:14,075 --> 01:00:20,035 Speaker 1: Carl Sagan, one of the pioneers of cosmetics, cosmetology, one 860 01:00:20,035 --> 01:00:24,395 Speaker 1: of the guys who mainstreamed the whole idea of the 861 01:00:24,395 --> 01:00:27,635 Speaker 1: Big Bang, one of the people who brought everything from 862 01:00:27,715 --> 01:00:35,955 Speaker 1: physics to creationism together in one unified TV shtick, was 863 01:00:35,995 --> 01:00:41,795 Speaker 1: a fan of mine, having discovered this, having seen this, 864 01:00:41,915 --> 01:00:47,155 Speaker 1: and knowing that his course was majors only except by 865 01:00:47,275 --> 01:00:53,635 Speaker 1: professor Professor's permission, Do you think I went to him 866 01:00:54,155 --> 01:00:58,075 Speaker 1: or called his office as I approached my last two 867 01:00:58,155 --> 01:01:01,715 Speaker 1: semesters at Cornell in the fall of nineteen seventy eight 868 01:01:01,715 --> 01:01:06,275 Speaker 1: and spring of nineteen seventy nine, and said, Hey, I'd 869 01:01:06,315 --> 01:01:08,635 Speaker 1: love to take the course. Can't you have room for 870 01:01:08,635 --> 01:01:11,155 Speaker 1: one more? I'll sit in the back. Do you think 871 01:01:11,235 --> 01:01:14,635 Speaker 1: I did that, having had, by the way, in case 872 01:01:14,675 --> 01:01:16,555 Speaker 1: I was worried about whether or not i'd pass. I 873 01:01:16,595 --> 01:01:19,435 Speaker 1: know had a personal relationship with the professor. I was 874 01:01:19,475 --> 01:01:22,035 Speaker 1: his favorite sportscaster. I was his favorite person at the 875 01:01:22,075 --> 01:01:24,515 Speaker 1: Carnell radio station. I was the only person he'd do 876 01:01:24,595 --> 01:01:27,275 Speaker 1: the interview with. He didn't want to talk to the newscaster. 877 01:01:27,475 --> 01:01:29,915 Speaker 1: He wanted to talk to me, and when, by the way, 878 01:01:29,955 --> 01:01:32,035 Speaker 1: I asked him about the other condition that it be live, 879 01:01:32,315 --> 01:01:35,355 Speaker 1: I said, can I use parts of this again later 880 01:01:35,435 --> 01:01:38,475 Speaker 1: in an edited form so we can run the whole 881 01:01:38,515 --> 01:01:40,475 Speaker 1: thing again, but I'd like to use Oh, of course 882 01:01:40,515 --> 01:01:42,875 Speaker 1: it's you. You did a great job. Oh my goodness, 883 01:01:43,155 --> 01:01:46,075 Speaker 1: and of course what would you do? That's four credits 884 01:01:46,075 --> 01:01:50,795 Speaker 1: sitting out there, even on the most basic, greedy, selfish 885 01:01:50,875 --> 01:01:57,115 Speaker 1: level imaginable four gut credits with doctor Carl Sagan. Do 886 01:01:57,155 --> 01:02:02,035 Speaker 1: you think I scheduled the course? No? Can you guess 887 01:02:02,075 --> 01:02:04,395 Speaker 1: why I did not schedule the course when I needed 888 01:02:04,395 --> 01:02:10,195 Speaker 1: byway wherever he fit into this? I had leftover requirements 889 01:02:10,195 --> 01:02:14,995 Speaker 1: in the Agriculture College, in physics, in biology, and I 890 01:02:15,075 --> 01:02:18,195 Speaker 1: forget in chemistry. Those three areas I needed four more 891 01:02:18,195 --> 01:02:21,115 Speaker 1: credits in each of them. Do you think I took 892 01:02:21,155 --> 01:02:25,675 Speaker 1: the course? No? And the answer to why I did 893 01:02:25,715 --> 01:02:28,035 Speaker 1: not take the course and did not ever meet doctor 894 01:02:28,075 --> 01:02:34,555 Speaker 1: Carl Sagan, my fan, the course met at nine o'clock 895 01:02:34,595 --> 01:02:36,435 Speaker 1: in the morning, and I didn't want to get up 896 01:02:36,475 --> 01:02:53,675 Speaker 1: that early. Still true, you make crazy decisions when you're 897 01:02:53,755 --> 01:02:55,595 Speaker 1: nineteen years old and just trying to get out of 898 01:02:55,635 --> 01:03:00,995 Speaker 1: Cornell and seven semesters. What can I tell you? I've 899 01:03:00,995 --> 01:03:03,115 Speaker 1: done all the damage I can do here. I am 900 01:03:03,555 --> 01:03:08,035 Speaker 1: remorseful than I never met him though. Thanks for listening. 901 01:03:08,075 --> 01:03:11,715 Speaker 1: Brian Ray and John Phillip Schanel, the musical directors have Countdown, arranged, produced, 902 01:03:11,715 --> 01:03:15,075 Speaker 1: and performed most of our music. Mister Chanelle handled orchestration 903 01:03:15,155 --> 01:03:17,875 Speaker 1: and keyboards. Mister Ray was on the guitars, bass and drums. 904 01:03:18,315 --> 01:03:21,395 Speaker 1: It was produced by Tko Brothers. Our satirical and pithy 905 01:03:21,475 --> 01:03:24,795 Speaker 1: musical comments are by the best baseball stadium organist ever 906 01:03:25,035 --> 01:03:28,755 Speaker 1: in the Cosmos, Nancy Faust. The sports music is the 907 01:03:28,795 --> 01:03:32,275 Speaker 1: Ouldroin theme from ESPN two, written by Mitch Warren Davis 908 01:03:32,275 --> 01:03:35,955 Speaker 1: courtesy of ESPN Inc. Other music arranged and performed by 909 01:03:35,955 --> 01:03:39,715 Speaker 1: the group No Horns Allowed. My announcer today was the 910 01:03:39,755 --> 01:03:45,275 Speaker 1: Eternal Universal Traveler, my friend Stevie van zandt Wondering why 911 01:03:45,355 --> 01:03:50,915 Speaker 1: there's no tape of me interviewing doctor Sagan. I couldn't 912 01:03:50,955 --> 01:03:55,475 Speaker 1: find it. It's there somewhere. Everything else was as ever. 913 01:03:55,835 --> 01:04:00,835 Speaker 1: My fault, my fault, and Carl Sagan's for encouraging me. 914 01:04:01,715 --> 01:04:04,355 Speaker 1: That's Countdown for today, Day ninety nine. Of America, held 915 01:04:04,355 --> 01:04:07,715 Speaker 1: host just three hundred and sixty four days until the 916 01:04:07,755 --> 01:04:10,955 Speaker 1: scheduled end of his lame duck and lame brained term. 917 01:04:11,035 --> 01:04:15,075 Speaker 1: Unless Musk removes him sooner, or the actuarial tables due, 918 01:04:15,675 --> 01:04:19,915 Speaker 1: or the Attorney's General due. The next scheduled countdown is Thursday. 919 01:04:20,195 --> 01:04:24,115 Speaker 1: As always, bulletins, as the news warrants, remember, impeach Trump. 920 01:04:24,515 --> 01:04:26,715 Speaker 1: It will not work now. It will, however, win the 921 01:04:26,755 --> 01:04:29,835 Speaker 1: Democrats the midterms. If there are midterms and I want 922 01:04:30,155 --> 01:04:34,515 Speaker 1: polling on a presidential recall vote, let's put some pressure 923 01:04:34,555 --> 01:04:37,595 Speaker 1: on here, even if you can't have a presidential recall 924 01:04:37,715 --> 01:04:41,555 Speaker 1: vote until next time. I'm Keith Olderman. Good morning, good afternoon, 925 01:04:41,635 --> 01:05:04,075 Speaker 1: good night, and good luck. Countdown with Keith Oldreman is 926 01:05:04,115 --> 01:05:08,955 Speaker 1: a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit 927 01:05:08,995 --> 01:05:12,915 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your 928 01:05:12,955 --> 01:05:13,635 Speaker 1: podcasts