Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy
Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p Joe Pizipia, and
Speaker 1: today we're gonna take a look at some rookies entering
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft, trying to put some cops on them.
Speaker 1: For these two boys get off on a jet plane
Speaker 1: and are headed to Indianapolis for the combine. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if we'll see Derek Brown running his underwear.
Speaker 1: One can only hope at some point that happens. But
Speaker 1: Andrew Erickson debro great to see you guys as always,
Speaker 1: and this is a fun show where we look at
Speaker 1: some of the tape that obviously has been floating around
Speaker 1: on these guys and looking at some of the film
Speaker 1: before we get to the combining, see if they maybe
Speaker 1: remind us of some current or past NFL stars. Not
Speaker 1: every cop is gonna be a good one. Not every
Speaker 1: draft pick hits. Just ask the uh well, the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. But hey, easy, their killer don't get
Speaker 1: off to such a tough start here today it's a
Speaker 1: new regime, because a new regime here. But today we're
Speaker 1: going to give you some names, try to give you
Speaker 1: an idea if you don't watch any college football before
Speaker 1: you get into rookie drafts or even you redraft, how
Speaker 1: to approach some of these guys and what their careers
Speaker 1: might potentially look like. We're gonna start with the quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with a guy who is rumored to
Speaker 1: be maybe the first or even second overall pick. It's
Speaker 1: cam Ward. And you know, I understand this year the
Speaker 1: quarterback class is getting a lot of heat. Doesn't look
Speaker 1: like the same kind of quarterback classes that we've been
Speaker 1: used to the last couple of years. Some guys that
Speaker 1: might have been maybe third or fourth or even fifth
Speaker 1: in some previous classes might have been first this year.
Speaker 1: But regardless, cam Ward seems like, at least the consensus,
Speaker 1: he's got a lot of the right tools. Obviously a
Speaker 1: pretty good career there in Florida. So Debro, give me
Speaker 1: a cump on cam Ward if you have one.
Speaker 2: So cam Ward is a very polarizing player, at least
Speaker 2: for me, because there's a wide range of how he
Speaker 2: plays from down to down, game to game. Some moments
Speaker 2: you're like, this guy's the top five NFL quarterback. He's
Speaker 2: laced and throws at the second level. He's making wow
Speaker 2: plays and he looks like Superman, and then some arts
Speaker 2: of games he doesn't. He's all over the place. He's erratic,
Speaker 2: he can hold the ball for too long. And that
Speaker 2: leads me to my comp Joey, because if they get
Speaker 2: embodies both parts the bipolarism of cam Ward's play at times.
Speaker 3: And that's Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: Hmm, Okay, I know there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: say that, you know what Ward's got to do Andrew
Speaker 1: is get rid of the football, little quicker, And to me,
Speaker 1: that's alway something you can work on. There's lots of
Speaker 1: things you can fix with a quarterback who has raw
Speaker 1: tools and ability. Jordan Love interesting comparison, a guy who
Speaker 1: also took you know, a little bit of time waiting
Speaker 1: in the pressure cooker before he came out ready to play.
Speaker 1: So Andrew, when you look at cam Ward, who do
Speaker 1: you see?
Speaker 4: It's funny because as Deebro was describing his comp for
Speaker 4: cam Ward, because I don't know what his comps are,
Speaker 4: he doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we haven't shared any of these.
Speaker 5: We're flying blind. So I was ready for him to steal.
Speaker 1: So this is a you show me yours, I'll show
Speaker 1: you mine. Kind of scenario today on.
Speaker 5: The show, I was staying in the RBB.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, if we're shadowing in to
Speaker 2: the combine, sir, Wow, Now I regret not.
Speaker 4: Going so and I think I must seeing a quote
Speaker 4: Debro from the Dynasty show where I think that he
Speaker 4: talked about how I think this was you that said this.
Speaker 4: It was either you or the guest or maybe saf
Speaker 4: so Ward never saw a tight window he thought he
Speaker 4: couldn't make, he couldn't throw into. Yeah, So that was
Speaker 4: Debro And that's Jameis Winston for me. I mean, like
Speaker 4: the full experience where he's got the Gunslinger, He's going
Speaker 4: to throw the ball into any tight window that he
Speaker 4: thinks that he can hit. Sometimes it's going to be
Speaker 4: an amazing touchdown throw. Other times it's gonna be pick
Speaker 4: six going the other way. So I think that there's
Speaker 4: a reason why he is super polarizing because people recognize
Speaker 4: the upside we see with Jameis Winston. You know, when
Speaker 4: Jamis Winston's playing well, we're all looking back and thinking
Speaker 4: why isn't this guy starting quarterback? And then you have
Speaker 4: the implosion games where he's turning the ball over like
Speaker 4: a mad man, and you're like, oh, yeah, that's why
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a job and why can't play more
Speaker 4: than ten games in an NFL season. So I think
Speaker 4: that's where the cam Ward conversation comes, with some of
Speaker 4: these teams at the top saying, hey, we love the upside,
Speaker 4: but if this guy implodes, then.
Speaker 5: We're all getting fired.
Speaker 4: So like, so that's a scenario that teams have to recognize,
Speaker 4: specially when it comes to a team like the Giants,
Speaker 4: where well, we're gonna get fired anyway, So do we
Speaker 4: take on that risk versus a player like a Sanders,
Speaker 4: who I think is a little bit safer as a prospect,
Speaker 4: But Ward I think has the higher ceiling of the two.
Speaker 1: Speaking of the Giants and Shador Sanders, I mean, Brian
Speaker 1: Dabele is, you know, pretty much like his shadow. I
Speaker 1: feel like, wherever you see Shad or Sanders, I see
Speaker 1: Brian Dabele kind of looking at and hey, man, how's
Speaker 1: it going. You guys are so good out there? Boy boy,
Speaker 1: sure do love your tape. Maybe it's a smokescreen, maybe
Speaker 1: it's not. We'll find out in a few months here.
Speaker 1: But while we're looking at Shdor Sanders, another guy too,
Speaker 1: you know Colorado, obviously playing for his dad. We've seen
Speaker 1: a lot of him on some big stages and a
Speaker 1: lot of big moments here. But again a prospect that
Speaker 1: I think is not quite to the level where you're
Speaker 1: looking at some of the guys that came into the
Speaker 1: league just last year, Like you're talking about the Kayleb
Speaker 1: Williams of Jays Daniels and Drake may I don't see
Speaker 1: either of these two quarterbacks. And I agree with the consensus,
Speaker 1: which I don't always, but I agree in this sense
Speaker 1: it I don't think these guys really measure up quite
Speaker 1: well enough. But if you were to put that measuring
Speaker 1: stick to Shoud or Sanders, who does he remind you
Speaker 1: of Andrew?
Speaker 4: For me, it's Baker Mayfield. Just going back to Baker
Speaker 4: Mayfield coming out of Oklahoma. What was his calling card?
Speaker 5: Accuracy.
Speaker 4: He's just a hyper accurate quarterback. And that's what I
Speaker 4: think is one of Sanders' best skills is he knows
Speaker 4: how to get the ball to his wide receivers. His
Speaker 4: seventy two percent career completion rate at Colorado so two
Speaker 4: years in the FBS, It's first all time since nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty six among college quarterbacks, the guy can get the
Speaker 4: ball to his playmakers, and that's what Mayfield did. And
Speaker 4: I think that they operate similar in the pocket, not
Speaker 4: players that are going to oh no, he's taking off
Speaker 4: and running like what do we do? But hey, this
Speaker 4: guy can mover in the pocket and he can boogey,
Speaker 4: but he needs to. So Baker Mayfield's my comp.
Speaker 1: A, right, Baker Mayfield? Interesting one should or Sanders for
Speaker 1: d bro any reminiscent players for the past that you
Speaker 1: might be able to calmp him to for our audience.
Speaker 2: Man, there's so many guys when I watch Shabdur's game
Speaker 2: that like you see the high end moments for And
Speaker 2: I agree with ericson like you want to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: the quarterbacks, what are their superpowers? For Sanders, it's his IQ,
Speaker 2: it's his ball placement, it's his freaking accuracy, and he
Speaker 2: has the arm strength. I'm gonna throw this out of
Speaker 2: her too. He has the arm strength to make every throw,
Speaker 2: So I'm not worried about that. I honestly think Sanders
Speaker 2: takes something off the ball at times to make these
Speaker 2: tight window throws, or he's prioritizing accuracy over velocity at times,
Speaker 2: just with enough to get it there, and that kind
Speaker 2: of leads me to my comp because I love the
Speaker 2: acumen of this guy basically like from sending protections what
Speaker 2: he does as far as the upstairs part of the game,
Speaker 2: and it's brock Party man. I think that he could
Speaker 2: be the best version of rock Party where he's not
Speaker 2: a rusher, but he's mobile enough, he's very composed in
Speaker 2: the pocket, and his accuracy is off the freaking charts
Speaker 2: and how he.
Speaker 3: Sees the field.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting comps there for Shador Sanders. Jalen Milroll I
Speaker 1: watched a ton of at Alabama, and I gotta say,
Speaker 1: I don't think he is, in my opinion, at least
Speaker 1: at this stage to development a guy that you're going
Speaker 1: to start anytime soon. Now. I understand if a team
Speaker 1: wants to draft him as a project, I can get that.
Speaker 1: But Debro with the tape that you've watched so far,
Speaker 1: your thoughts on Jalen Milroe and maybe a comp for him.
Speaker 2: He's not a first round grated quarterback from no, definitely
Speaker 2: not a second round graded quarterback for me. I think
Speaker 2: where he should go where he probably goes in the
Speaker 2: NFL draft is the third round. I think you're probably
Speaker 2: going to see a Malik Willis type of fall for
Speaker 2: Jalen Milroe, and that is not my comp for him.
Speaker 2: But I think Milroe, yes, we could talk about what
Speaker 2: he can do with his legs and as a rusher,
Speaker 2: but he tries to solve too many equations with his
Speaker 2: legs and he's not special enough as a rusher to answer.
Speaker 3: All those problems with his legs.
Speaker 2: As a passer, like, there's too many times where I
Speaker 2: feel like I watch his film and he's a tick
Speaker 2: behind to the play, or he needs to come off
Speaker 2: his first read, or he misses a throw, or the
Speaker 2: accuracy is just not there. My comp for him is
Speaker 2: to Varis Jackson.
Speaker 1: Ah to Varis Jackson, not somebody known for making big
Speaker 1: contributions in the world of fantasy, but not a bad
Speaker 1: comp either. Andrew Erick's and Jalen Milroe have any comps
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 4: For me, I'm a little bit more optimistically some the
Speaker 4: rushing side for him, and that's kind of how I
Speaker 4: went with this comp. Again, he definitely does ways to
Speaker 4: go as a passed but he's he hasn't played that
Speaker 4: much necessarily. A lot of these other quarterbacks in this
Speaker 4: draft has have played a lot more games than he has,
Speaker 4: so I want to keep that in mind before we,
Speaker 4: you know, write what his NFL career is going to
Speaker 4: be like. But for me, it's like kind of like
Speaker 4: a hybrid between Justin Fields and Jalen Hurts. In terms
Speaker 4: of the rushing, I think he rushes with more power
Speaker 4: like a Jalen Hurts. But you know sometimes when you know,
Speaker 4: when Fields doesn't look comfortable in the pocket, Like that's
Speaker 4: what remind me of when watching Milrow.
Speaker 5: It's just like this guy, like he just looks very awkward.
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, I'm kind of introduced myself to all
Speaker 4: these people with the scouting combinem Like oh wait, wait,
Speaker 4: what's my name again? Like what am I gonna ask
Speaker 4: this person? Like all these things going through your mind.
Speaker 4: And that's how I feel Milroe is when he's operating
Speaker 4: in the pocket. But then when he does run, I
Speaker 4: think that he is special as a runner. I mean,
Speaker 4: he averaged over seventy five rushing yards per game at
Speaker 4: the college level. That is up there with Jalen Hurts
Speaker 4: when he played at Oklahoma and Alabama. So I think
Speaker 4: that again, we'll see if he can carve got a
Speaker 4: starting role or get into a starting line up at
Speaker 4: any point. But I'm just saying NFL preseason probably pretty
Speaker 4: fun for Jalen.
Speaker 1: Nol Row and the preseason betting shows like It's smell
Speaker 1: Them Andrew Erickson and I, well, it feels like August already.
Speaker 1: I wish it was it was cold here this morning.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Jackson Dart of Old Miss. Now, this
Speaker 1: is one that I actually like some more than other people.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because watching College File this show, we
Speaker 1: haven't chatted really about him prospect. So you guys, are
Speaker 1: you know, stuck in your NFL universe there, whereas Joey
Speaker 1: p has to spread the knowledge around a little bit.
Speaker 1: He's got to watch everything. He's gotta watch baseball, college football,
Speaker 1: NFL will things are going on Fantasy pretty much, butter
Speaker 1: Knife pretty much. And I'm just as dull sometimes. But
Speaker 1: on top of which, you know, watching Jackson Dart, you know,
Speaker 1: you are playing the SEC and you feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's things that I like that he that he does well.
Speaker 1: I like that he runs a little bit, he's not
Speaker 1: afraid of contact when he runs. He reminds me a
Speaker 1: little of I mean, this might be an older comp
Speaker 1: for you guys, I don't know, but a little Jeff
Speaker 1: Garcia in him. And Jeff Garcia was kind of a
Speaker 1: tough quarterback who you know, was not a highly rated
Speaker 1: quarterback necessarily coming out of college, but kind of grinded
Speaker 1: his way to become an NFL starter and had a
Speaker 1: pretty good career with the forty nine ers there, led
Speaker 1: them through some playoffs and then you know, had a
Speaker 1: second leg to his career too. That would be my
Speaker 1: comp on him as far as style, because people forget
Speaker 1: Garcia liked to run a little bit. Garcia was not
Speaker 1: afraid of contact, and Garcia was a guy that could
Speaker 1: really switch his feet up, set in the pocket, make
Speaker 1: some good throws. That would be my comp For those
Speaker 1: people who are you know, old like me who remember him, Debro,
Speaker 1: give me a comp for Jackson Dart since you're the
Speaker 1: apparently high on him like I am again as not
Speaker 1: a first round ground quarterback to me, but an interesting
Speaker 1: project quarterback that if he landed in the right spot,
Speaker 1: with the right coach, right offensive line, I think it
Speaker 1: could be a decent future.
Speaker 2: So I do think that he's a first round prospect.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I have a first round grade on him. Wow,
Speaker 2: he was a really hard player to comp for me
Speaker 2: because I saw shades and I'm not gonna and I
Speaker 2: did not like this as a comp because I don't.
Speaker 2: I want people to keep expectations realistic here for Jackson Dark,
Speaker 2: he is not this player.
Speaker 3: But as a passer, there were so.
Speaker 2: Many similarities when I turned on his film to Jade
Speaker 2: Daniels last year. He's extremely accurate in the short, intermediate,
Speaker 2: lacing second level throws, layering them cool, calm collect in
Speaker 2: the pocket where he shines guys is down the field.
Speaker 2: His deep ball is absolutely freaking fantastic. And what he
Speaker 2: adds as a runner like he's gonna be an opportunistic
Speaker 2: scrambler in the NFL. I don't think he's a guy
Speaker 2: where you're dialing up like five to six QB runs
Speaker 2: a freaking week on. But can he run to a
Speaker 2: bow Knicks level? Yes, absolutely, I think so so my comp.
Speaker 2: I want people to really understand it. This comp is
Speaker 2: maybe not going to perk a lot of ears up
Speaker 2: and get people super super excited, but he's been in
Speaker 2: the range of a top twelve quarterback for Fantasy. He
Speaker 2: did run a four or five when he came out
Speaker 2: so he is more athletic than you think. My cop
Speaker 2: is Geno Smith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a pretty good one too, skill set wise.
Speaker 1: I don't hate that. I don't hate that at all.
Speaker 1: And like Gino Smith, it just goes to show you
Speaker 1: if you end up in the wrong scenario, things can
Speaker 1: go poorly for you. You end up in the right coaching,
Speaker 1: in the right scenario, things can be better. Andrew Ericksson,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on Jackson Dart?
Speaker 4: The first thing I thought when I'm just looking at
Speaker 4: his throwing motion, not so much his athleticism, because I do,
Speaker 4: like you guys pointed out like he can move a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 5: I think that is rushing is probably a little bit underrated.
Speaker 4: And I first thought rock Perty was kind of the
Speaker 4: comp that I looked at because he can move a
Speaker 4: little bit, but just him in an offense where there
Speaker 4: are guys running wide open, very very frequently, just because
Speaker 4: of the way that it was schemed up at Old
Speaker 4: Miss Jimmy Garoppolo was the guy that kind of came
Speaker 4: to mind for me as a thrower when there are
Speaker 4: guys open, he's able to hit them, hit them downfield.
Speaker 4: Groppol was a little bit more mobile before he got
Speaker 4: injured by running all. I mean, one of his bigger
Speaker 4: injuries in his career was him scrambling and he got
Speaker 4: hit out of bounds and he suffered a season ending injuries.
Speaker 4: So that's the way I saw it and when I'm
Speaker 4: looking to project him, because when you look at what
Speaker 4: he did this past year, I mean he was breaking
Speaker 4: every yards per attempt, every yards metric. He was basically
Speaker 4: breaking off the charts like one of the most aggressive
Speaker 4: deep ball for hours, like deebro said, and I am
Speaker 4: interested to see how it will translate to the NFL level.
Speaker 4: I still think that the arm talent is very apparent
Speaker 4: when you watch him play, But to me, it's like, hey,
Speaker 4: if he ends up going to a forty nine ers
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan's Sean McVay type of offensive system, I think
Speaker 4: that he could really thrive in a way we've kind
Speaker 4: of seen with brock perty.
Speaker 1: I think he's a little like he's far more athletically
Speaker 1: I would say gifted and aggressive than brock Purty. You know,
Speaker 1: I think brock Purty's a little measure. You watched Jackson
Speaker 1: Dark play like that. I forget who it was. It
Speaker 1: was one of the goal line situations there where he's
Speaker 1: running the ball in there, he's running it on the
Speaker 1: edge and he takes a shot and he gets up
Speaker 1: and he's just like talking crap to the guy. He
Speaker 1: takes his helmet off and he's bleeding. It's just like
Speaker 1: that's not a rock party moment, you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you love that in your quarterback. You don't see it
Speaker 1: very often. So like a hyper aggressive version of rock party, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see. But in terms of like his attitude, man,
Speaker 1: he is. He's a little ferocious here, Debro. You have
Speaker 1: one more thing to say about Jackson dark too?
Speaker 3: Well, I know we both love him.
Speaker 2: I just want to put this out there for everybody
Speaker 2: that has not tuned into the draft show. He is
Speaker 2: mi QB two of this class over cam Ward, just
Speaker 2: to put frame wow.
Speaker 1: Wow. You know I thought I was high on him
Speaker 1: and then I talked to you, so this is good.
Speaker 1: What'd you think of that? Garcia? I mean, Andrew, do
Speaker 1: you know what Jeff Garcia is?
Speaker 3: I know you're he was.
Speaker 5: He was on backyard football was.
Speaker 1: Backyard there you go. Okay, but Deebro, you get what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like Garcia was like I see, I see the mobility
Speaker 2: because he was underrated as aggressive. Yes, he was an
Speaker 2: aggressive quarterback and I extremely accurate too, extremely accurate aggressive quarterback.
Speaker 1: Mobile wasn't afraid of contact. It was an errow where
Speaker 1: there was a lot more contact than there is now,
Speaker 1: especially on the quarterback. So some good stuff there. Let's
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Speaker 1: your prize. Let's start with the RBS Ashton Genty. Ooh
Speaker 1: he good at football. I enjoy the Ashton gent Man.
Speaker 1: He just stands back there in the backfield like he's
Speaker 1: not even awake. I love it. He's just standing there,
Speaker 1: just no ready stance, nothing, He's just ready to go ericson.
Speaker 1: When you have great players like this, sometimes I think
Speaker 1: the biggest compliment is when you can't comp them. I've
Speaker 1: kind of struggled a little bit with Genty, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, Bogman, I know, through a comp on
Speaker 1: him when we were talking a few weeks ago. I'm
Speaker 1: curious what yours is.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's interesting because whenever we have a really good
Speaker 4: player at a position, it's like, you know what, and
Speaker 4: hopefully I'm not stealing Debro's comp people will just say,
Speaker 4: oh the Daily and Thomlinson.
Speaker 5: They got to is he's like the best running back
Speaker 5: and that is my con that.
Speaker 1: Is my body. That's pretty high praise.
Speaker 2: And I think, and we'll talk about it, but I
Speaker 2: think he deserves every bit of that.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 5: That's that's so.
Speaker 4: But I did try to dig a little bit deeper
Speaker 4: than the Dani and Tomlinson, so I went with the
Speaker 4: Agelo Williams that that's who I saw when I watched
Speaker 4: gent play. Just a player that again summers to Tomlinson.
Speaker 4: I mean Williams when he got opportunities to be at Belcow,
Speaker 4: whether it was Carolina or Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: The guy could do it all. Catch passes, break tackles.
Speaker 4: And that's what Genti, again, accord to Football Insights genty
Speaker 4: collegiate career high Smith's tackle rate force per touch at
Speaker 4: thirty nine percent, and he's breaking tackles in every which way.
Speaker 5: He's got speed, he's got power.
Speaker 4: The reason why he's used a top five player overall
Speaker 4: in his draft class. And we'll be a guy we're
Speaker 4: talking about and drafting very highly in season long fantasy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tomlinson's a high praise. I don't think it's out
Speaker 1: of the world. I don't think it's out of the
Speaker 1: question at all. Dee Bro, that's actually your comp for him,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about it. I mean, doesn't you know
Speaker 1: I always hate that too. I tried to not go
Speaker 1: to Hall of Famers when you're comping guys necessarily unless
Speaker 1: you see somebody really jumps off the chart. But this
Speaker 1: guy is so special. You know, when we were doing
Speaker 1: the Bejon Robbinson stuff, I remember on an early show
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I comped him to Edger
Speaker 1: and James. That's how I felt like he played, and
Speaker 1: it was funny. NFL Network like, I don't know. A
Speaker 1: couple weeks later, all of a sudden was picking up
Speaker 1: a MEDEA graphic about him and Edgar and James. I
Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting. Somebody must be watching the
Speaker 1: show over there. Debro talk about the comparison between Ladinian
Speaker 1: and Ashon genty.
Speaker 2: I think people, and I've heard this noise out there,
Speaker 2: people trying to bump him down a little bit and
Speaker 2: saying he's not a generational talent. I'm gonna push back
Speaker 2: hard against that. He absolutely, unequivocally is for a player
Speaker 2: that over the last two seasons, this guy has finished
Speaker 2: no worse than third in the freaking nation and yards
Speaker 2: up to contact per attempt and elusive rating. And the
Speaker 2: reason that I go to the Ladanian tom on some
Speaker 2: part of this is I think that his abilities in
Speaker 2: the passing game can get unlocked to a further level
Speaker 2: in the NFL, because if you look at even twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three versus twenty twenty four, he was used creatively
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty three, Like, this guy had an eighteen
Speaker 2: point three percent slot or out wide rate in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three. That dropped off to less than three percent
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. But as a receiver, he's freaking awesome, man,
Speaker 2: Like he's got smooth hips, he can get they can
Speaker 2: put him out wide, he could run slants and he
Speaker 2: can get open like he's got good body control. Like
Speaker 2: that's where I think the upside is with jenty for
Speaker 2: a player again twenty twenty three, top two in receiving
Speaker 2: grade and yards per route run. He's every bit that
Speaker 2: of the awesome player that people have talked about. He's
Speaker 2: gonna be legendary, dude, He's awesome.
Speaker 1: Bogman called him Lil Marshawn, and I think that's that's
Speaker 1: probably a good one there because we're talking about like
Speaker 1: the great running backs of all time, and you talk
Speaker 1: about some of these guys, you know, Marshawn Lynch is
Speaker 1: certainly a name that I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: love football, love Marshaw Lynch. But he's talking about like
Speaker 1: the power and also the speed, but also again you're
Speaker 1: talking about the contact and the yards after contact. That
Speaker 1: was what Marshaan Lynch was known for. So I think
Speaker 1: the little Marshawn Wan's going to La Danian's high praise.
Speaker 1: What's see how he throws? How's he in terms of
Speaker 1: throwing passes. That's what we got to find out LT
Speaker 1: through some touchdowns.
Speaker 3: It's good call, good back in the day.
Speaker 1: That's the thing LT special athlete right there. Let's go
Speaker 1: to Trevon Henderson debro another running back that a lot
Speaker 1: of scouts are very high on. I don't want sure
Speaker 1: what your take is on him, but do you have
Speaker 1: a comp of who we remind you of?
Speaker 2: I do, And I've gone back and forth and on
Speaker 2: Trevion Henderson because I think he is a very tough
Speaker 2: player to comp because small.
Speaker 3: Package, lightning in a bottle.
Speaker 2: But I think he runs with an underrated power and
Speaker 2: nastiness to him. Man like he will run over people.
Speaker 2: He will drop his shoulder and run over dudes and
Speaker 2: has no problem about it. But then he consider and
Speaker 2: hit home runs and he has the speed to just
Speaker 2: break off these long runs consistently. The guy that and
Speaker 2: once I heard this comp, I could not unsee it.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to own it that I'm stealing this
Speaker 2: Clinton portis that's my comp.
Speaker 1: That's a very high praise as well. Clinton's really freaking
Speaker 1: just shy of ten thousand career rushing yards. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we have a career like that for Travon Henderson,
Speaker 1: that's going to be a good scenario. And it's really
Speaker 1: interesting too because you are looking at, you know, last
Speaker 1: year kind of the renaissance of the running back position,
Speaker 1: Andrew and you know, teams with all these young quarterbacks playing,
Speaker 1: they realize, oh wait, we need to support with a
Speaker 1: run game if we're going to be effective. He saw
Speaker 1: what Henry did last year. You saw obviously what Sayquant
Speaker 1: did last year. Even Josh Jacobs. I mean, some of
Speaker 1: these veteran running backs making big impacts and some of
Speaker 1: these rookies starting to pop too, and it seems like
Speaker 1: this class is going to be much better than last
Speaker 1: year's running backlass. So Travon Henderson, for you, who's the
Speaker 1: reminder me.
Speaker 5: Of I'm going with?
Speaker 4: So when I think about running backs with great, long speed,
Speaker 4: explosive strong chops in the receiving game, my mind only
Speaker 4: goes to one specific running back, debros RB one and
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three mister Tony Pollard. That's why when I
Speaker 4: watched Trevia Anderson play and I don't know, it's just
Speaker 4: his explosiveness, the way that he's smooth, fluid as a receiver.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he's going to be a bellcow
Speaker 4: workhorse at the next level, but whatever offense he's going
Speaker 4: to be, I know that he's been mocked to. I
Speaker 4: think Daldermiah head of mock where he's going to the
Speaker 4: Vikings and you can just see him in that offense,
Speaker 4: in that Aaron Jones role where it's like, oh, turn
Speaker 4: back the page and Aaron Jones like five years ago.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, man, this office is cooking with Henderson.
Speaker 4: So even if he's not getting a ton twenty plus
Speaker 4: carries or touches in a game, he's going to be
Speaker 4: really efficient on the receiving on the rushing side.
Speaker 5: So very excited about him.
Speaker 1: It's a little Robert Smith in him too. That's not
Speaker 1: our older player, but the little Vikings Robert Smith. But
Speaker 1: I like the Pollard. The Pollard one's kind of interesting too,
Speaker 1: like a little like a stronger, a little bit bigger,
Speaker 1: stronger version. I think maybe a Pollard Poward. I think
Speaker 1: a little slighter physically, but I like where your head's
Speaker 1: at there, Andrew ericson. These are some really good comps
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Speaker 1: Let's crown some more comps here O. Marion Hampton love
Speaker 1: saying this name makes me very excited. Andrew Rickson, do
Speaker 1: you have a camp for this RB?
Speaker 5: For me?
Speaker 4: It's Zach Sharbonay, so go ahead.
Speaker 1: Eric wait, is it an overlap or you just got exact?
Speaker 5: He's like, man, I wish I'd come up with this
Speaker 5: as good a camp as Ericson shout out to me.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 4: So it's just a player when I remember watching Sharbone,
Speaker 4: just a player that he could just do it all, Like,
Speaker 4: just ask him to do whatever he needs to do.
Speaker 4: Pick up the yardage, get a big run, catch a
Speaker 4: pass out of the backfield. He's just a true workhorse
Speaker 4: in today's gable football. He was that at the college level,
Speaker 4: and that's exactly what I expect him to be at
Speaker 4: the NFL level. So what does that mean his ceiling is?
Speaker 4: I think that remains to be seen based on what
Speaker 4: role he ends up taking on what team he goes to.
Speaker 4: Because with sharbon Ay, his career, for those that were
Speaker 4: really high on him, his career hasn't really panned out
Speaker 4: the way we had hoped. But how much of that
Speaker 4: is based on Well, he's just been on the Seahawks
Speaker 4: and he's been splitting time with Kenth Walker and even
Speaker 4: this past year though Charbonay really flashed, but do you
Speaker 4: got chances to start? So WM here in Hampton is
Speaker 4: definitely someone that again we're going to talking about him
Speaker 4: in fantasy because he's going to have potential to be
Speaker 4: a lead running back that's going to see north of
Speaker 4: twenty touches per game. So for me, it's Zach Sharbonay
Speaker 4: and hopefully a better landing spot than Sharps has had.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hopefully a better NFL career too than some other
Speaker 1: UNC running backs too, because you know, Antonio Williams, Javonte Williams,
Speaker 1: Michael Carter, like, it hasn't exactly you know, lit things
Speaker 1: up here. So I'm just saying, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: sometimes the system matters and where they play matters, and
Speaker 1: what you take out of some of the film debro.
Speaker 1: You were here at the same spot in Scharbonay. I
Speaker 1: actually liked the comp I think it's a very good
Speaker 1: win ericson Maide and you agreed to So we're three
Speaker 1: for three on this one. So what did you see
Speaker 1: in him that remind you of sharbon Ay too?
Speaker 3: Just at his size?
Speaker 2: I think there's some differences to Sharbonny, Like I think
Speaker 2: Sharbonay is shorter, air a quickness, and his feet were
Speaker 2: better than Hampton. But as far as he's a north
Speaker 2: south runner, linear guy, upright runner, like his acceleration is good,
Speaker 2: but I worry about his top end gear.
Speaker 3: But can he be a three down running back.
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I've seen some much more like high
Speaker 2: end comps for Hampton. I'm not there, and I think
Speaker 2: I'm a little bit lower than consensus. But I think
Speaker 2: sharbona one is absolutely spot on because Hampton is a
Speaker 2: guy that you can, I don't want to say make
Speaker 2: the centerpiece of your offense, but he can handle a
Speaker 2: lot of volume dudes. So like, can you put him
Speaker 2: in there? And he's an automatic three down running back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You know it's funny because when we've seen Sharboney take
Speaker 1: over for ken Walker, he's booked good. So you know,
Speaker 1: one can only hope that if that style translates that
Speaker 1: he gets the full opportunity a three down back for you. Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: I just want to Yeah, we'll check the same for you, Erickson.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I actually have an interesting stat when it comes to
Speaker 4: a guy like Hampton in just terms of the way
Speaker 4: that he was also used as a receiver. So we're
Speaker 4: looking at running backs drafted Day two or earlier that
Speaker 4: average at least thirty receiving arts per game their final
Speaker 4: college seasons.
Speaker 5: Here's the list.
Speaker 4: Sakon Barkley, David Johnson, Joe Mixon, Antonio Gibson, Najie Harris,
Speaker 4: etn Sean White, Zach Sharboney, Jamior Gibbs, and most likely
Speaker 4: Omrion Hampton will join that list.
Speaker 1: So I'm all right, let's do one more be here.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Iowa for Caleb Johnson, who played behind
Speaker 1: a offensive line that opened up some pretty big holes
Speaker 1: for him. Like that was my big takeaway when I
Speaker 1: watch tape on him, which is like, man, this guy's
Speaker 1: just running through barn. Doors are open for this guy
Speaker 1: in Iowa. De Bro. Let's start with you on this
Speaker 1: one here, Caleb Johnson. For you, who does you remind
Speaker 1: you of?
Speaker 3: Dude? I love Caleb Johnson. He's my RB two of
Speaker 3: this class. He's such a fluid.
Speaker 1: It's funny how you and I tend to gravitate towards
Speaker 1: the same dude.
Speaker 2: I love him, Like as soon as I turned on
Speaker 2: his film, there's so many and and his cop is
Speaker 2: hard because when you watch Caleb Johnson, he's got really
Speaker 2: good vision. He looks like he's gliding. He's more of
Speaker 2: an upright runner. Like there's parts of his game where
Speaker 2: you see a little bit of DeMarco Murray, you see
Speaker 2: Lev Bell, there's other guys that I see the guy
Speaker 2: that I came down with. And I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't think Calebjohnson is as fast as I
Speaker 2: think Caleb Johnson is because you see him hit home runs.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people think that he's I've
Speaker 2: seen people tweet him like he's in the four fives,
Speaker 2: four sixes, and I don't know what the heck they're watching.
Speaker 2: I think that he probably most likely runs in the
Speaker 2: low four fours, but I think there's a chance with
Speaker 2: the fast Track in Indy, maybe we see Caleb get
Speaker 2: into the like the high four threes, like four three, nine,
Speaker 2: And that leads me to Edrin James.
Speaker 3: Is my colm for Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 1: I think that's lofty. I the one that you had
Speaker 1: early on that you said to Mrs Yeah, DeMarco Murray,
Speaker 1: that that one, I see. I think that's really I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I've never said it. I think people forget about,
Speaker 1: like some of the peak to Marco Murray moments are
Speaker 1: pretty pretty hard good at one point there. Andrew ericson,
Speaker 1: I'm curious, what's your comp here for Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 4: If you thought Edrin James was losty, then jeez, let's
Speaker 4: let's go.
Speaker 1: I put Edrin James on Bijon Robinson because John Robinson is,
Speaker 1: you know, top shelf. We're talking about like a potential
Speaker 1: number one overall pick and fantasy you.
Speaker 2: Know, is going around one of the NFL draft. Joey,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked about that.
Speaker 4: All right, go ahead, We've met people anticipating long enough here.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: For me, it's it's it's Derrick Henry. That's who I
Speaker 4: see when I watch Caleb Johnson play. When you look
Speaker 4: at his running style, it is so similar. I was
Speaker 4: reading some articles about Kaylen Johnson and people ask him
Speaker 4: who do you model your game after in terms of
Speaker 4: the running style, and he said Derrick Henry.
Speaker 1: So stylistically, I get that. He's a lot of stiff arms,
Speaker 1: He's a lot of pushing guys around. You know, he's
Speaker 1: not quite as monstrous as there's.
Speaker 5: No one on planet Earth. Okay, that reason an alien.
Speaker 1: So stylistically, stylistically, I get what you're saying. So so
Speaker 1: how does that style play for somebody who isn't massive
Speaker 1: like a Derrick Henry.
Speaker 4: Well, he may not be as big as Derek Henry,
Speaker 4: but I still think he has physically alien like traits.
Speaker 4: When I was reading something from the Iowas coaching staff,
Speaker 4: the Athletic coaching staff talking about this guy is built
Speaker 4: like a Greek goddess, like he can do whatever it
Speaker 4: can and when it comes to the physicality of the game.
Speaker 4: And I also have him as my rby two in
Speaker 4: this class too, So I'm I'm obsessed with Caleb Johnson.
Speaker 4: And again I struggled too with the comp and and
Speaker 4: then I went back to I can't calvin Derrick Henry
Speaker 4: because there's no more on Earth like Derrick Henry. But
Speaker 4: when I looked at just specifically to your point Joe
Speaker 4: about the running style, it looks so similar to me again,
Speaker 4: more like a smaller version of a Derrick Henry, because yeah,
Speaker 4: no one on planet Earth is Dereck Henry.
Speaker 3: So Derrick Henry's mini me, Yes, mini me.
Speaker 1: You will go back to the nineties, although you know
Speaker 1: we'll go back to you know, early two thousands, and
Speaker 1: you know, there's the guys like the you know, Jamal Lewis's,
Speaker 1: there's the guys like uh, you know, like to like
Speaker 1: strong runners, like guys Corey Dillon was the really I
Speaker 1: think tough runner. You know, I think that style certainly
Speaker 1: fits Cale, but I see it. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: what number he wears to you and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But like you know, you watch Caleb and you and
Speaker 1: you get the idea that, yeah, you could see stylistically
Speaker 1: why he picks those things up from him. But I
Speaker 1: gotta say, man, when you're you're watching the highlights again,
Speaker 1: the barnyard doors we're talking sometimes open for this get
Speaker 1: where you just watch him go there and and I
Speaker 1: like that when he gets into that second level, he's
Speaker 1: not afraid of the contact and he's pushing guys over
Speaker 1: and he is physical, because that is going to endear
Speaker 1: you to coaching staffs very early in the NFL, of
Speaker 1: like what can you do pass the line of scrimage?
Speaker 1: What can you do if there is no hole open
Speaker 1: up there? So that'll be interesting to see. For sure.
Speaker 1: We're gonna switch gears over and talk about wide receivers, obviously,
Speaker 1: the wide receiver pool. That's something we're very excited about
Speaker 1: his fantasy nerds, and I'm sure everybody watching is as well.
Speaker 1: Tenoroo McMillan, the first guy we're gonna talk about. Some
Speaker 1: call him t Mac, some call him tent. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: use his full name, his given name here today because
Speaker 1: I practice saying it for the last couple of months
Speaker 1: just to make sure I say it correctly, So you
Speaker 1: know this is this is what we're gonna do now,
Speaker 1: So I'll make it easy for you, de bro t Mac.
Speaker 1: I don't want to get you, you know, any problems
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 3: Here to Matt McMillan, Sir, mister McMillan.
Speaker 1: That's mister Miller Widers obviously had a big senior year,
Speaker 1: obviously a wide receiver that I think a lot of
Speaker 1: scouts are very excited about. So the stats are obviously there.
Speaker 1: What's the comp though for him?
Speaker 3: Teed McMillan.
Speaker 2: Mister McMillan is a plug and play air drop him
Speaker 2: into an offense Alpha X receiver. The way that he's
Speaker 2: also been able to move across the formation the last
Speaker 2: two years. That and this is the big thing for McMillan.
Speaker 2: You can just ask him to go out there and
Speaker 2: route dudes up like win versus O, win versus man.
Speaker 2: Over the last two years, he's been top ten in
Speaker 2: yards per route run against man coverage in both seasons.
Speaker 2: A guy that big should not be able to move
Speaker 2: with the start stoppability that Teed McMillan has. My comp
Speaker 2: is Drake London with better I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew it because that's mine too. I was like,
Speaker 1: if I see Drake, that is not going to see Drake.
Speaker 1: But I mean it's very similar, you know, the style
Speaker 1: in which they play, the physical type of the player too.
Speaker 1: And it just sucks that, you know, in the first
Speaker 1: two years of Drake Lennon's career. He just had no
Speaker 1: quarterback play whatsoever. I mean, we could argue even the
Speaker 1: first three years of Drake London's career if we really
Speaker 1: want to get into it. So I like that. I am.
Speaker 1: I am right on there with you. Andrew Erickson. Is
Speaker 1: there a comp for you for mister McMillan that you'd
Speaker 1: like to share with the class.
Speaker 4: Yes, I do have a comp because it was on
Speaker 4: the show sheet and it was required that I have.
Speaker 4: I don't have Drake London though, so you guys won't
Speaker 4: like my comp. Mine is Courtland Sutton because it doesn't
Speaker 4: really work. Courtland Sutton before all the ACL injuries, and
Speaker 4: because when he was coming out at SMU, he was
Speaker 4: what Drake London is like. He was a yards out
Speaker 4: of the catch tomorrow, like he was a beast, and
Speaker 4: we saw some that expulsive has come away. But when
Speaker 4: I think who can be a red zone threat, who
Speaker 4: can be a vertical threat when he's operating at the
Speaker 4: or near peak of his powers, I think Courtland Sutton.
Speaker 5: So that's my comp.
Speaker 1: I'll throw another one for the old hats watching the
Speaker 1: show today. I have our a little Andre Reid action
Speaker 1: of the Buffalo Bills. That's a guy here reminds me
Speaker 1: of a little bit there. Andre read another guy who
Speaker 1: he was and the Super Bowl that he's in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. He's got a gold jacket, my friend.
Speaker 1: No he did not, No, he did not, he did not.
Speaker 2: Bill' spafia gett in shade. Yeah, the comments are gonna
Speaker 2: be great on this one YouTube.
Speaker 5: Thanks neither did t o, So that's okay.
Speaker 1: He was also, but Andre reading another guy who could
Speaker 1: just go out there and get it and anywhere. There
Speaker 1: some incredible seasons with Jim Kelly. So what's your what's
Speaker 1: your hopeful landing spot for him? Give me, give me
Speaker 1: a team de bro for McMillan.
Speaker 2: Dude, I actually the landing spot I like, and I
Speaker 2: think this happens that a lot of people don't like.
Speaker 3: Send him to Dallas, dude, run. I think they did this.
Speaker 3: They did this with Marty Cooper and CD. Do it
Speaker 3: again with Ted and CD.
Speaker 1: Doubt for I hate agreeing with you so much. It's
Speaker 1: really it's the worst. Ericson, did you have like a
Speaker 1: hopeful landing spot for him?
Speaker 4: Just out of Curiosity's not the Patriots. I don't want
Speaker 4: them draft around one receiver. I don't want them to
Speaker 4: ruin someone's career, so don't tag Rabel would.
Speaker 1: Never It's okay, not Tito, none of those. All right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about Luther Burden, the third Andrew Erickson. What's
Speaker 1: your comp for this young wide receiver.
Speaker 4: The yuards out to the catch is so evident, all
Speaker 4: the underneath targets that he gets and then rips off
Speaker 4: big game. It's Deebo Samuel. That's who I saw it.
Speaker 4: I didn't have to watch a lot of Luther Burden
Speaker 4: to kind of come to that conclusion. He's just the
Speaker 4: yard I think yards out to the catch, the first
Speaker 4: guy I think of his always Deebo Samuel, and just
Speaker 4: a player that when he gets the ball in his hands,
Speaker 4: that's what the offense is designed to do, and then
Speaker 4: you will watch and make plays. So I know he
Speaker 4: wasn't as good this past year as he was in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, but if you put him again, Debo's
Speaker 4: gotta be gone from the forty nine ers. I don't
Speaker 4: know if they're gonna draft another wide receiver, but it
Speaker 4: would be really fun to see him in one of
Speaker 4: these types of offenses where hey, we need to get
Speaker 4: this ball in this guy's hands, So de o for me.
Speaker 1: I think the Debo comp is a really good way
Speaker 1: Andrew Rickson, Derek Brown, can he top that? Because I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's a pretty good one.
Speaker 2: I like mine, and I think I'm gonna go in
Speaker 2: the wayback machine here. Boys Ericson might not know who
Speaker 2: this is, but I know that you will. Joey and
Speaker 2: a lot of our viewers a player that was before
Speaker 2: his time. If he would have been drafted in this
Speaker 2: iteration of the NFL, you'd be seeing a lot of
Speaker 2: similar Luther Burden talk, which Luther Burdon, he's quick twitch
Speaker 2: for days. Man, it's all the there's a ton of
Speaker 2: manufactured stuff. They use him emotion, a lot of screens,
Speaker 2: a lot of handoffs. Then where I came down with
Speaker 2: my comp is a team could utilize him in both
Speaker 2: the run game like Debo, but he's also an extremely
Speaker 2: good punt returner like I guess too. Yeah, yes, I'll
Speaker 2: give you a guests. But in twenty twenty two as
Speaker 2: a punt returner, this dude with was eighth in the
Speaker 2: nation in return average.
Speaker 3: Joey, you get one guess who is it?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna say? Percy Harvin.
Speaker 3: No, but you're in the same same way to win.
Speaker 5: I don't get a guess. That's not fair, well, Arris,
Speaker 5: and I don't know if you're.
Speaker 1: Old enough to have somebody from two machines.
Speaker 5: So my mind immediately went to Wayne Corbett, you time machine.
Speaker 3: Okay, good guess, but not it my comp So Ruther
Speaker 3: Burden is Peter Warwick.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, there you go before their times.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 3: I don't know, yeah, done, It's worth a google. He
Speaker 3: was really good at this thing called football.
Speaker 1: By the way, did you see that Percy Harvin interview
Speaker 1: from a couple of weeks ago. I don't know what
Speaker 1: maybe it was even longer, but he was talking about
Speaker 1: he never played a game where he wasn't high that
Speaker 1: it was the most amazing. He was talking about like
Speaker 1: from high school all the way through the bros. He
Speaker 1: goes never not ever, it wasn't ever a game where
Speaker 1: I played where I did.
Speaker 3: Not watch some stuff Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 1: That's something that you know what's funny though, But Percy Harvin,
Speaker 1: you know again you drop him in this version of
Speaker 1: the NFL. Very different career, I mean, questionable choices clearly
Speaker 1: for Percy Harvin. But this is a different version of
Speaker 1: the NFL. It isn't a version of the NFL that
Speaker 1: loves Ohio state wide receivers of Mecca. Eggbuka the next
Speaker 1: one to come through. Now, some people have said he
Speaker 1: is not quite at the same level as some of
Speaker 1: the guys that we've seen in recent years. That's been
Speaker 1: kind of floating out there a little bit on him.
Speaker 1: But Erickson, for you, eg Buka reminds you of which.
Speaker 5: Player reminds me of Tyler Boyd.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean that to be a knock on
Speaker 4: eg Buka, because you look at Tyler Boyd's career, you
Speaker 4: don't think, oh, this guy was a superstar. And I
Speaker 4: know that a lot of our comps are more of
Speaker 4: the higher end. But I just think I'm kind of
Speaker 4: looking at what's the worst case scenario with eg Buka.
Speaker 4: It would be like a Tyler Boyd as player, where
Speaker 4: just a really smooth, reliable slot receiver that no one's
Speaker 4: going to be surprised if he goes out and catches
Speaker 4: one hundred passes, goes over a thousand yards and is
Speaker 4: the model of consistency. I mean, we're talking about all
Speaker 4: these Ohio state wide receivers. You know who had more
Speaker 4: catches than all of them, eg Buka two hundred and
Speaker 4: five catches, almost three thousand receiving yards twenty four. I mean,
Speaker 4: he was there the entire time, So I know that
Speaker 4: the attendtion has always been on these other guys we're
Speaker 4: waiting for Arvin Harrison Smith and Jigba Wilson Olave and
Speaker 4: Eguka's kind of been there in the background.
Speaker 5: But I mean he's really good. Like he's a really
Speaker 5: good player.
Speaker 4: And I know that people get knocked on for being
Speaker 4: quote unquote slot merchants, but that's how you score fantasy points.
Speaker 4: Like that's a really easy way to score a fantasy points.
Speaker 4: So if he's a slot merchant, sign me up, Like
Speaker 4: that's he can succeed.
Speaker 1: I'll take that for days. Especially in the right offense.
Speaker 1: I think that's the key, Right, You've got to end
Speaker 1: up in the best offense in order to kind of
Speaker 1: reach that level, you know, like guys like the Emmanuel
Speaker 1: Sanders of the world. You know, guys who just kind
Speaker 1: of live there and just you know, gave you some
Speaker 1: fantasy points on the cheap deep ro Do you have
Speaker 1: a comp for Egbuka?
Speaker 2: I do and send this man in the first round
Speaker 2: to the Chargers, the Texans, or the Rams.
Speaker 3: I love this guy.
Speaker 2: He is such he's honestly, it's not even closed. I
Speaker 2: think there's a really good case be made that he's
Speaker 2: the best route runner in this class. And that leads
Speaker 2: me to my comp on a player that can win
Speaker 2: from the outside as well as the inside. And I
Speaker 2: think Abuka can win on the perimeter. Do you want
Speaker 2: him playing seventy eighty percent of the snaps in the perimeter? No,
Speaker 2: but I think he walks into the NFL when he
Speaker 2: could be a high volume receiver from day one.
Speaker 3: He's faster Keenan Allen. That's my comp.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that's a that's a pretty good comp. I mean,
Speaker 1: you have a career like Keenan Allen. That's some high
Speaker 1: end stuck.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we're the same archetype like but
Speaker 2: Ericson and I and that's just the range of what
Speaker 2: his career could be. Like the low end is Tyler Boyd,
Speaker 2: but a similar archetype of player we're discussing here.
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about tight end here. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about my dude from Penn State, Tyler Warren I love
Speaker 1: this guy. The guy's a football player. These tough guys.
Speaker 1: But look, we've seen a lot of these rookie tight
Speaker 1: ends these last couple of years. We saw the Porto,
Speaker 1: we saw Trey McBride come into the league and have success.
Speaker 1: And obviously some guy named Rock Bowers he was pretty
Speaker 1: good too. So Tyler Warren the latest in this grouping.
Speaker 1: So when you watch Tyler Warren, who comes to mind for.
Speaker 2: You, Debro Tyler Warren is so nasty, dude, He's a
Speaker 2: you don't like Tyler Warren.
Speaker 3: Something's wrong with you, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, like in the run game after the catch,
Speaker 2: he's so freaking nasty. But he's got enough speed to threaten.
Speaker 3: Down the seam.
Speaker 2: He's got quicker. I think he's quicker. He's more quick
Speaker 2: than fast. Like, I don't think he's a guy we're
Speaker 2: going to talk about running a four or five. I
Speaker 2: think he probably runs in the four to six range.
Speaker 2: But that nasty streak. His versatility to also, like you
Speaker 2: could line him up out wide versus man coverage if
Speaker 2: you want to. The guy that I saw on film,
Speaker 2: very very quick, was Jeremy Shockey.
Speaker 1: Ooh, Jeremy Shockey. Yeah, another guy too incredible talent, not necessarily.
Speaker 3: The played with a mean streak.
Speaker 1: Baby, he did not the sharpest tool in the shed
Speaker 1: necessarily too. What his career might have been had he
Speaker 1: been a little bit more focused. I like that one though,
Speaker 1: but I think people forget how nasty that guy was
Speaker 1: when he was in Miami. For you, Andrew Erickson, when
Speaker 1: he watched Tyler Warren, who does he remind you of?
Speaker 5: Mine was Jeremy Shockey too. Mine was also Jeremy Jockey.
Speaker 5: So do you row me once again? Hand holding?
Speaker 4: Because just watching Tyler Warren, you just the guy just oozes.
Speaker 4: I'm a alpha and that's all I remember about Jeremy Shoka.
Speaker 4: Had to go back and rewatch him of his highlights
Speaker 4: because when he was balling out for the Giants, however
Speaker 4: long ago, you know, I didn't know how to watch football,
Speaker 4: so I had to rewind some of Jeremy shock. He's like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, this guy was a badass, Like that's all
Speaker 4: he did was try to and flip paint on the
Speaker 4: other defenders and and a swagger about him.
Speaker 5: And I see that with Tyler Warren.
Speaker 4: But I will say the thing that I want to
Speaker 4: add to the comp is with some Taysom Hill thrown
Speaker 4: in because this guy is throwing passes.
Speaker 2: This guy, so he's gonna be drafted by the different bronzinking.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you I would love him with with
Speaker 1: Sean Payton. It's like, let's say, how great was Jimmy
Speaker 1: Graham at his peak with Sean Payton in that kind
Speaker 1: of offense and Bo Nicks with a tight end like that.
Speaker 3: Jeremy Shockey, Well, I mean we're just connected.
Speaker 4: See a lot of tight ends, see wildcat snaps like
Speaker 4: Tyler Warren did, And that just reminded me of, well,
Speaker 4: what do they do with Taysom Hill? So it's like
Speaker 4: Taysom Hill, you know when he was well, we still
Speaker 4: know how old Tyler Warren is. Like that's a whole
Speaker 4: other debate, like how old is this guy?
Speaker 1: I don't care, I don't care, I don't care. He
Speaker 1: can play for me any day he is.
Speaker 2: He is fun to watch as long as he doesn't
Speaker 2: walk up with like what is it that the benchwarmers
Speaker 2: thing or whatever, like with the with the crayon writteny
Speaker 2: crayon birth certificate.
Speaker 3: We're good.
Speaker 4: We do need to figure out if he is older
Speaker 4: than Kyle Pitts though, because he definitely gives off more
Speaker 4: health energy than Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 5: But Kyle pits might be still the Bator.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, Man Denver, sign me up for
Speaker 1: that one. I love to see. I think that's a
Speaker 1: great I see.
Speaker 4: The joker memes right now as it is as why
Speaker 4: so serious and can Ty Warren's face so here for it?
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Speaker 1: take on Travis Hunter. Do you think that a team
Speaker 1: is going to take that plunge with him as a
Speaker 1: two way player or is he just strictly via cornerback.
Speaker 4: I think that the teams are approaching it the right way,
Speaker 4: where no, we want to play him at defensive back,
Speaker 4: at cornerback first, and then we'll sprinkle him in on offense.
Speaker 4: You can always add in more offensive plays as the
Speaker 4: season progresses. And that's kind of what I think might
Speaker 4: end up happening. Because what happens if he goes to,
Speaker 4: for example, the Tennessee Titans, if they pick him first
Speaker 4: overall or whatever, and their offense starts to sputter.
Speaker 5: Bryan Callahan's job is on the line.
Speaker 4: What do you think do you think he's gonna ignore
Speaker 4: the possibility, Hey, we did draft this wide receiver with
Speaker 4: the first overall pick. Maybe he can help our offense
Speaker 4: and then you're gonna start to see him play more.
Speaker 4: So I just like the idea and the process of
Speaker 4: going behind. I can take a guy my rookie draft
Speaker 4: attention to the third round that went first overall or
Speaker 4: top five because he's also top five talent at the
Speaker 4: wide receiver position, also at the cornerback position. I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna take and roll the dice with that, because yes,
Speaker 4: maybe week one, it doesn't shake out. But I think
Speaker 4: that when push comes to shove, if an offensive team
Speaker 4: they have injuries, they have offensive problems, the first thing
Speaker 4: they're going to consider is, well, we could put Travis
Speaker 4: Hunter on offense. Maybe that'll help the team generate some expulsiveness,
Speaker 4: especially with these offense of oriented head coaches. So maybe
Speaker 4: I'll change my tune a little bit more if it
Speaker 4: goes to a team with a defensive head coach where
Speaker 4: they're going to be more strict on No, he needs
Speaker 4: the best stay on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of factors that you know, you
Speaker 4: can't consider right when he's drafted that may end up
Speaker 4: happening over the season that changes his role, you know.
Speaker 4: And also what if they change their tune going into
Speaker 4: year two and now, Travis hunder you know what, we
Speaker 4: decided we're gonna play them at wide receiver in year
Speaker 4: two and you could have got that guy for next
Speaker 4: to nothing and he's a top five talent. Those are
Speaker 4: the risks I want to take, especially in the third
Speaker 4: rounds of rookie drafts, where I'm starting to kind of
Speaker 4: see him fall because of this concern like you outlined,
Speaker 4: where he's only gonna play defensive back and you're not
Speaker 4: gonna able to rely on him to be a weekly
Speaker 4: wide receiver that you can use.
Speaker 1: The question is what do you do if you end
Speaker 1: up with a coach like our guy Mike Vrabel, who, uh, well,
Speaker 1: he was a defensive player, but he caught some touchdowns too.
Speaker 1: Last time I checked, he would show up on offense.
Speaker 1: It's interesting two way player scenario there, Debro for you,
Speaker 1: is he just a cornerback in the NFL? Or do
Speaker 1: you think some team might push him for more.
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna be mainly cornerback. Like if he
Speaker 2: falls to the third d of a dynasty rookie draft,
Speaker 2: fine press the button there, but I don't. I think
Speaker 2: he's gonna go earlier in most rookie drafts than I'm
Speaker 2: willing to take him if he goes in the second round,
Speaker 2: only because I mean, we're basically kind of talking about
Speaker 2: the Taysom Hill of wide receivers. Does he get eight
Speaker 2: snaps of wide receiver this week?
Speaker 3: Does he get five? Does he get twenty?
Speaker 1: Does he get ten?
Speaker 2: And that type of volatility. You're just like, like, I
Speaker 2: would rather somebody else deal with that volatility. I don't
Speaker 2: want to deal with the volatility.
Speaker 1: And in the dynasty league, you don't know, like the
Speaker 1: next year do they draft more wide receiver help and
Speaker 1: then does he get like pushed to the side. You
Speaker 1: just don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think he can even go to
Speaker 2: like an offensive team, Like right now, I think that
Speaker 2: he probably falls all the way to Jacksonville at five.
Speaker 2: And if he does that, he's probably gonna play cornerback mostly.
Speaker 1: If you know what, Jacksonville will be a good spot
Speaker 1: for him.
Speaker 2: They could use a dynamic, put him run next to
Speaker 2: Tyson Campbell, let him go play all the man.
Speaker 1: I actually like that as in landing spot. We'll see
Speaker 1: how it all shakes out. Don't forget we're gonna have
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Speaker 1: of here, Let's talk about underrated Gem, a player that
Speaker 1: you guys love. As you're digging through tape getting ready
Speaker 1: for the combine in a week from today, de bro,
Speaker 1: give me a name and a comp for somebody that
Speaker 1: you are excited about.
Speaker 3: Seeing this guy.
Speaker 2: I started talking about it and screaming from the rooftops
Speaker 2: and mobile and I'm not going to stop. Now it's
Speaker 2: Jalen Nole. I've got a second round grade on this guy.
Speaker 2: I think he's absolutely freaking fantastic slot wide receiver, top
Speaker 2: thirty in yards per route run and receiving grade. I
Speaker 2: think he can also play outside. I didn't see a
Speaker 2: rep inmobile that he lost in one on ones. I
Speaker 2: think people are gonna be very surprised. My comp for him,
Speaker 2: and this is the mid range comp of expectations, is
Speaker 2: Khalil Shakir. But I will say this, boys, and I
Speaker 2: don't want to sound like I'm just being hyperbolic about
Speaker 2: a guy that I'm planning my flag on. If you
Speaker 2: were to tell me he goes in the second round,
Speaker 2: third round of the NFL draft, we flip over the
Speaker 2: cards in two to three years and Jalen Knowle is
Speaker 2: a'man Rossain Brown two point zero.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna be surprised, dude.
Speaker 1: I'm interesting, very interesting. Maybe we can get him drafted
Speaker 1: by the bearers. Who knows. Ben Johnson certainly did a
Speaker 1: good job with the A mon row for you, Andrew
Speaker 1: riks and give me a name of a hidden gym
Speaker 1: and give me a comp along with it.
Speaker 4: Running back Michelle Tuton from Virginia Tech. And my comp
Speaker 4: for him is another Virginia Tech running back who is
Speaker 4: also a transfer, Kleil Herbert, who never really got his
Speaker 4: time to shine because he was on all these backfields
Speaker 4: on all these teams that never give him opportunities. So
Speaker 4: but I don't think that's gonna be the case with Tuton.
Speaker 4: His nickname is tug Boat Twuton. This past season, he
Speaker 4: was top six in terms of yards after contact per attempt,
Speaker 4: breakaway run percentage.
Speaker 5: He's very explosive.
Speaker 4: He's an elite acceleration and that's reminds you of Clil Herbert,
Speaker 4: where he's just a player that when you watch him,
Speaker 4: he just has juice. And I love that in drafting
Speaker 4: some of these later running backs, so we know who
Speaker 4: the top guys are running back, we know this is
Speaker 4: a very deep running back class. So even if he
Speaker 4: ends up going on Day three, I think that he's
Speaker 4: a player that, hey, you don't need to get him
Speaker 4: that many touches to see his explosiveness. So tug Boat
Speaker 4: Tuotin for me, and my comp is Coleil Herbert, except
Speaker 4: with opportunities.
Speaker 1: Tugboat with opportunities. God, it sounds like a children's story.
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to. Let's all sit down on
Speaker 1: the rug everybody, it's snack time and we'll watch a
Speaker 1: tug boat.
Speaker 4: With Opportunities Des Derek Brow illustrated and it'll be narrated
Speaker 4: by Joe Pisa.
Speaker 1: Be there you go, There you go. The audiobook coming soon.
Speaker 1: Love it all right, boys, watch you have a great
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Speaker 1: Uh and I'm gonna get some footage hopefully too. It's
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