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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Son of a Butch podcast. This week,

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Speaker 1: Ryan Kreisler joins us again. I work with Ryan at

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Speaker 1: the Floridian and he is really somebody that I've learned

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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount from. He's a big data guy. He's

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Speaker 1: helped me think about golf differently. But our sie, we

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Speaker 1: were talking to some of the team flow guys, some

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Speaker 1: of the guys that we have here trying to play

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Speaker 1: and Richard S. Johnson, Swedish guy used to play on

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour in Europe, you know, one on multiple tours.

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Speaker 1: He said something that I think was really really important.

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Speaker 1: He said, you know what, just try and play stress

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Speaker 1: free rounds of golf. And I've talked about on the

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Speaker 1: pod before, but I wanted to have you on today

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Speaker 1: and talk about how we can help players get into

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Speaker 1: this mindset of having stress free rounds of golf because

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Speaker 1: I just think so many golfers from the jump, from

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Speaker 1: the first hole, they're just under constant stress. They spend

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Speaker 1: the next eighteen hole, it's the next four hours and

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Speaker 1: they're just they're just grinding. It's stressful, it's not fun.

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Speaker 1: They get off the golf course and they're just like, man,

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Speaker 1: that wasn't even enjoyable. So for you, what do you

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Speaker 1: think stress free golf is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we were talking about this and we had kind

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Speaker 2: of two examples of stress free golf and then high

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Speaker 2: stress golf. This past week or so, I watch every

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Speaker 2: shot that DJ hits on the Live Tour, and to me,

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Speaker 2: he's probably the most stress free player we've ever seen. Right,

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Speaker 2: and then we have a player at America's Q School

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Speaker 2: who basically creates the most stressful week of his life

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Speaker 2: based on what at stake. And so what that means

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Speaker 2: basically for the common golfer is that DJs. When I

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Speaker 2: watch DJ, I can count on one hand the number

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Speaker 2: of times he's missed it on the short side. For example,

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Speaker 2: for the past sixteen rounds, we're talking like three, four,

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Speaker 2: five misses on the short side. And where as a

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Speaker 2: common golfer, regular golfer might be missing maybe close to

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Speaker 2: fifty percent of the shots on the short side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean one of the things that I always

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Speaker 1: think is and I don't think the average golfer realizes this.

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Speaker 1: Tour players are trying to play chess, right, They're trying

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Speaker 1: to think two, three moves ahead, so their decision making

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Speaker 1: process is very much chest driven, and I think the

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Speaker 1: average regular golfer is just playing checkers. There's just no

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Speaker 1: real plan. And I've talked about that a lot.

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Speaker 2: And from like a big data perspective, I think a

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Speaker 2: lot of the big analytics guys out there are playing

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Speaker 2: chess with their data and their concepts, and we know

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Speaker 2: that just when we're inside the ropes with these guys

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Speaker 2: that there's definitely a little more qualitative data, which basically

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Speaker 2: means there's a lot more context to the decision making

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Speaker 2: that they're doing on the course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think tour players are We're in a

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Speaker 1: data age. But I think for regular golfers, if golf

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Speaker 1: is important to you and improving your handicap is a goal,

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Speaker 1: if breaking the score barriers one hundred ninety eighty, breaking

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Speaker 1: par for the first time, I think you have to

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Speaker 1: get some data on what you do. I think you

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Speaker 1: need to know what you're doing specifically on the golf course.

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Speaker 1: I think most people now are gathering data on the

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Speaker 1: driving range right. I think a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: looking at launch monitor technology, They're using video, they're using

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Speaker 1: some sort of tech to try and figure out what

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Speaker 1: they're doing. In the practice environment. But I just don't

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Speaker 1: think enough golfers are looking at data and tracking their

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Speaker 1: data for when they're actually playing the game, and there

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Speaker 1: are so many different vehicles to do that. Now. One

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Speaker 1: of the ones that we use a lot that I

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Speaker 1: really like, and I know you you're about as deep

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Speaker 1: into it as anyone can get is clipped. How long

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Speaker 1: have you been using cliped, What do you like about it?

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Speaker 1: And what are the benefits for it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so clip basically I've been using for almost a

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Speaker 2: little more than two years now. There's two components that

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Speaker 2: are really great for clipped. Number one, from a coaching perspective,

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Speaker 2: that allows you to manage all your players, right, There's

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Speaker 2: not too many platforms that help you kind of manage

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Speaker 2: other thing with clipped is they create basically a lot

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Speaker 2: that simply would be if you're make percentage on a

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Speaker 1: Of that right.

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Speaker 2: So I can actually track, and I do track DJ.

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Speaker 2: I can actually see the footage he's missing those putts.

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Speaker 1: By I think everybody. I mean, one of the big

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Speaker 1: things that I'm always looking at, and it's something that

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Speaker 1: It's a stat feet of putts made. I think that's

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Speaker 1: a it's a great stat. I mean, when we started

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Speaker 1: potts and he went from averaging kind of in that

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Speaker 1: much footage of putts you're making, I think is a

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Speaker 1: at and all the big data that you're grinding on.

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Speaker 1: Tell me what you're looking at that I think a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm looking at and I can watch and

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Speaker 2: this is a great testament to live the customer client experience.

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Speaker 2: You can actually literally watch every shot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, of every player. Augusta National did that. I mean

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Speaker 1: It's something that really really helps me and you. From

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Speaker 1: at every single shot, every single pot, every single chip.

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Speaker 1: So we know what he's doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we know, we know what he's doing in terms

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Speaker 2: you and Eric Dietrich our putting coach, like he's literally

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Speaker 2: couple of weeks. Because De Shamba has been amazing, right,

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Speaker 2: So in terms of putting stats, there's so much out there.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm really studying, and we kind of developed

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Speaker 2: So we're quantifying a little game how you can do it.

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Speaker 2: We can kind of make that conclusion. So it's pretty wild.

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Speaker 1: So for the average golfer, Right, every time I talk

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Speaker 2: Forty five yard high stress firm green front left pen

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Speaker 2: not do that. They will avoid forty five yards every

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Speaker 2: one of the things that analytics doesn't capture that you

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Speaker 2: from there's certain buckets of the game, right, and so

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Speaker 2: one of the games that we've created basically is how

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Speaker 1: This is how you play the game, right, Why do

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Speaker 1: to do. I mean, you know, it's the difference between

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Speaker 1: playing golf and playing golf swing. Someone asked me the

438
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Speaker 1: other day that, listen, I've never broke eighty for the

439
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Speaker 1: first time. He said, could you help me break eighty?

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Speaker 1: And I said, I think I could probably help you

441
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Speaker 1: break eighty because he consistently shoots in the eighties. He's

442
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: broken that ninety gup every now and again. He'll he'll

443
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Speaker 1: have some bad scores where he said, but he said, listen,

444
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Speaker 1: I consistently shoot in the eighties, like you know, mid eighties.

445
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Speaker 1: Every now and again, I'll get a really good round

446
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Speaker 1: going and I'll shoot eighty two or eighty three. And

447
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Speaker 1: he said, do you think you could help me break eighty?

448
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Speaker 1: I'd love to come and take a lesson from you.

449
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: I said, I think I could probably help you break

450
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Speaker 1: eighty without ever doing anything to your golf sway, would

451
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Speaker 1: you agree?

452
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Speaker 2: Yes, totally.

453
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Speaker 1: Having a strategy, having a game plan, having the player

454
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Speaker 1: have a better understanding as to how far they hit

455
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Speaker 1: their clubs. What are the good scoring clubs. One of

456
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Speaker 1: the things I think is really important about using data

457
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Speaker 1: systems and CLIP as well as One of the things

458
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Speaker 1: that we look at, and we look at this a

459
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Speaker 1: lot for tour players, but we look at this a

460
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Speaker 1: lot for regular golfers is club usage, Right, what clubs

461
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Speaker 1: are you hitting the most on a regular basis? Talk

462
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Speaker 1: me through how that's important and why that's important.

463
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Speaker 2: Basically, it kind of develops a pattern of your game,

464
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Speaker 2: meaning like now you're gonna probably hit driver fourteen times

465
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Speaker 2: around Maybe for the average golfer they probably.

466
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Speaker 1: Don't need to, but they probably are.

467
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Speaker 2: But they probably are. And then based on maybe the

468
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Speaker 2: home course, they're playing they might have more seven iron

469
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Speaker 2: shots than let's say, pitching wet shots.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: So their club usage basically is a real cool stat

472
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Speaker 2: to kind of see the leaves they are creating based

473
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Speaker 2: on their decision making. So if you got a player

474
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Speaker 2: that has you know, a ton of different courses, like

475
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Speaker 2: for example, a Turer player, they got six six courses,

476
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Speaker 2: they played, five horses, they played this year four rounds, right,

477
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Speaker 2: So versus a club golfer that has maybe the same

478
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Speaker 2: amount of rounds on one course. Right, we get to

479
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,919
Speaker 2: kind of backtrack and through the numbers see the number

480
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Speaker 2: of times they're hitting seven iron, nine iron, wedge, whatever

481
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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: I also think that's a great way to look at

483
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Speaker 1: your bag set up and real that you're probably if

484
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Speaker 1: you can track enough of the data of usage on

485
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Speaker 1: you know, knowing what clubs you're using, right, you're also

486
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: going to find massive dead zones and say, listen, take

487
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Speaker 1: that club out of the bag because you never even

488
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Speaker 1: use it. Right. It's a club you maybe use once

489
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Speaker 1: a month if you're playing golf every weekend, Right. I

490
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Speaker 1: think a lot of golfers have clubs in their bags

491
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Speaker 1: that just never really see any game time on the

492
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Speaker 1: golf course. And I think that's really important from a

493
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Speaker 1: usage standpoint and knowing, Okay, these are the clubs that

494
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Speaker 1: I am going to be using a lot, these are

495
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Speaker 1: the clubs that the data tells me that I am

496
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Speaker 1: using a lot, And then you kind of push your

497
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Speaker 1: game to the clubs that you're using a lot, and

498
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Speaker 1: then in practice you prac just the clubs that you're

499
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Speaker 1: using a lot. I think that's really important to have

500
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Speaker 1: that kind of knowledge and that kind of power. And

501
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 1: I think if you, if you're really serious about getting

502
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 1: better and serious about trying to improve things, I think

503
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Speaker 1: it's incumbent upon you to just do a little bit

504
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Speaker 1: of work, put some stats in a program that can

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Speaker 1: help you. Yes.

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Speaker 2: A good example is we've got play the only junior

507
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Speaker 2: on the team plow team who's played a variety of

508
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Speaker 2: courses so far this year, uh, Fluidian, some other tournament

509
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 2: courses here in town. And I can tell you right

510
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: now that the most clubs he uses are a pitching wedge,

511
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: nine nine eight iron, a gap wedge, and a seven iron.

512
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Speaker 2: Those five clubs make up fifty of the shots. Right,

513
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Speaker 2: He's a junior, He's not the super long guy.

514
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Speaker 1: I would say fifty one percent of the shots are

515
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Speaker 1: with how many clubs.

516
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Speaker 2: Pitching wedges n eight, iron gap, wedge seven iron five.

517
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Speaker 2: It's crazy, crazy, right, that's an approach. If you developed

518
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: that pattern, well, let's make sure we warm up those

519
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: clubs before you play.

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Speaker 1: Tour players are going to use a lot of different clubs, right,

521
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Speaker 1: So you know, in Brooks' case, Brooks would kind of

522
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Speaker 1: start at the bag and he'd go through. He'd go

523
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Speaker 1: odds sometimes on the way up, and then even's on

524
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Speaker 1: the way down. Right, Yeah, Greg Norman back in the

525
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Speaker 1: day when my dad worked with Shark, probably the most

526
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Speaker 1: impressive warm up I'd ever seen. Right, he would go

527
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: through the bag. He'd hit every club in his bag.

528
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Speaker 1: He'd hit low draws, high draws, he'd hit low fades,

529
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Speaker 1: he'd hit high fades, every single shot in the bag.

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Speaker 1: He'd work at both directions with every club. He'd work trajectories,

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Speaker 1: he'd work up and down. For the normal golfer. If

532
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Speaker 1: you can track usage and know these are the clubs

533
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Speaker 1: you are going to hit a lot, then those are

534
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Speaker 1: the clubs you should warm up with.

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Speaker 2: Correct, very easy, right, And if we know that we're

536
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Speaker 2: playing bad, then maybe let's give ourselves another leave that

537
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: we can use another.

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Speaker 1: Club really like that, give me another game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've been diving deep on you know, DJ's putting,

540
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Speaker 2: working with Eric and just trying to find that factor

541
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Speaker 2: that you don't see in normal stats. And there's another

542
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Speaker 2: good game that we've kind of come up with based

543
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: on because I've been watching DJ, Anthony Kim, these his

544
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: guys shot by shot, They're burning so many edges. It's

545
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: wild how many edges these pros burn on their reads.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think if you watch golf on TV,

547
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Speaker 1: you are going I mean the average golfer that I

548
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Speaker 1: see and I do this as well. You've got a

549
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Speaker 1: pot fifteen feet, it won't go anywhere near the hole, right,

550
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Speaker 1: I mean, it never gets anywhere, doesn't even scare the hole, right.

551
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Speaker 1: And my dad used to always say that great putters,

552
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Speaker 1: their putts always have the go in look. Like great

553
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Speaker 1: putters Brad faxon Tiger, Ricky Fowler, right, they're more surprised

554
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Speaker 1: that they're missing it. Right. When they miss putts, they'll

555
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: have that look and go, wow, I can't believe I

556
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Speaker 1: just miss it. Because my dad, like I said, he

557
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: always says, man, that guy's putts always have the go

558
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Speaker 1: in look. You used to always tell me my putts

559
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Speaker 1: never had the go in look. So the name of

560
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: the game is what Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this is a little tip of the hat to

562
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Speaker 2: Deon Sanders, but this is a taking receipts putting game,

563
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Speaker 2: and I think this is a good way to kind

564
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Speaker 2: of quantify your reads based on basically the size of

565
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Speaker 2: a golf ball. So the concept is basically, if you

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Speaker 2: have a fifteen foot left to right putt, you leave

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Speaker 2: it and burn the edge. You leave it maybe one

568
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Speaker 2: foot past. You had a great putt, it's one foot passed.

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Speaker 2: You saw it burn the edge. Well, that's one ball

570
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Speaker 2: out that you could have been one ball in on

571
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Speaker 2: the read. So let's say that's at Let's say the

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Speaker 2: same putt right to left uphill, we leave it a

573
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Speaker 2: foot short. Well, the penalty bakes, and that is we

574
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Speaker 2: never had a chance. Let's say it's a foot short

575
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: in the heart, it's still like a five ball penalty.

576
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: So it's a five inch penalty basically. Right, if we

577
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: have another putt downhill, left to right and we miss

578
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Speaker 2: it by let's say it's a foot go ahead and

579
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Speaker 2: give yourself a short sided miss. Though it's like it's

580
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: pin high, but it's a foot right that didn't have

581
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: a chance. We underwrite it by a foot guts. Just

582
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: give yourself a twelve ball penalty there, right. And so

583
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Speaker 2: as you study your puts, the intent of the game

584
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Speaker 2: basically is to track how many balls left right short

585
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: that you are during the round and quantify it by

586
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: the left to right reads, right to left reads. You

587
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: can take a step further for uphill and Downhilp if

588
00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: you start quantifying your reeds putting adjustments based on your

589
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: read and not your stroke again.

590
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: Playing the game, not playing golf swing, not practicing your putting,

591
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: thinking about your stroke mechanics on the golf course, turning

592
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: that brain off. Just putt, don't think about your stroke. Putt.

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00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 2: DJ putted really well in Singapore, right, And so I

594
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: guarantee you that round where we had maybe twenty four putts,

595
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: the heat probably missed by a total of ten balls

596
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: because he made tony putts. You get zero balls if

597
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: you make the butt right. So you probably missed by ten,

598
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 2: which is basically a half ball per eighteen. So he's

599
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: missing literally by the width of a golf ball from

600
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: whatever range he's missing by a with of the golf ball.

601
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Speaker 2: And if that's about ten for that round that he

602
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: was hot, he's probably averaging ten for the week. Let's

603
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: say talking ten inches, we're talking like a game of

604
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: ten inches. Basically a golf ball is a little bit

605
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: bigger than an inch.

606
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Speaker 1: But what do you think an average golfer. We would

607
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Speaker 1: see someone trying to break you know, ninety for the

608
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Speaker 1: first time.

609
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 2: It could be two hundred, like it's definitely triple digits.

610
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: Like I'm thinking it's going to be ten to fifteen

611
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: balls out, you know, per putt per green. So we're

612
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: looking at in the three to four hundreds maybe for

613
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: eighteen holes. DJ had at least maybe ten for those

614
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: rounds on average in Singapore, he was burning edges almost

615
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: every putt if not going in. It was wild to see.

616
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Speaker 2: It was great to see. And that's where I kind

617
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Speaker 2: of come up with it. Started coming up with this

618
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Speaker 2: kind of stat. I'm trying to track, you know, how

619
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Speaker 2: many edges he's the burning per round, right, and if

620
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 2: you're burning edges per round. And it turns out a

621
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Speaker 2: lot of these pros are everyone who is a great

622
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 2: reader on the greens and they have their caddy too.

623
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Speaker 2: But you can definitely see there's a huge difference in

624
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: the regular golfer missing putts by three four feet wide

625
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: and the professional missing it by.

626
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Speaker 1: Y Yeah, that's one of the things that we've been

627
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: talking you know, we talked to players about, but specifically

628
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Speaker 1: this year with DJ. You know, he's coming off the

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Speaker 1: golf course and just saying, man, I am hitting. I

630
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: think the work that he's been doing with Eric Dietrich,

631
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I think he's starting the

632
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: putt better is the work that they're doing. But what

633
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: I've noticed he started working with Eric in at Riot

634
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: at the end of the year on lift of the

635
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: first tournaments were what are we five tournaments in now right?

636
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: I've seen DJ in the last five tournaments hit so

637
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: many good pots that aren't going in. So obviously that

638
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: can be incredibly frustrating, but in watching it, like I'm

639
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: watching it, like you're watching it, like his brother Austin Johnson,

640
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: who's on the bag, is watching it. We're like, dude,

641
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: just keep doing it. You're hitting pots. You keep hitting

642
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: good potts. The law of app I mean, you are

643
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: going to start You're gonna have that day where the

644
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: good potts you're hitting that you're saying that you're saying

645
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: with this game that are just missing, you're gonna have

646
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: that that day where you make them and you're gonna

647
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: have twenty four pots, twenty three pots. I mean, you're

648
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: just gonna put lights out.

649
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, started in Singapore with him for sure. That's

650
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 2: when I started noticing, Man, he's just not he's catching lips,

651
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 2: he's not missing why he's not underating as as much

652
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Speaker 2: as he used to.

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Speaker 1: Do you think a generalization from putting for what you see,

654
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Speaker 1: you know, working with regular golfers, do you think people

655
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Speaker 1: generally leave putts short more often or hit.

656
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: It past the whole definitely short. I think a majority

657
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: of the population sees things shorter than they actually are.

658
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Speaker 2: I think a majority of the population, even at the

659
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Speaker 2: two level, underestimates the slope. So if you can quantify

660
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Speaker 2: with this taking receipts putting game that you're actually averaging

661
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: six to seven balls short on your reads, well, let's

662
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Speaker 2: just put it six seven balls out on the next

663
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Speaker 2: round or so and just see what happens. See if

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Speaker 2: we can bring that number down.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's I think another way, you know, from

666
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Speaker 1: a stress free round, if you can just auto two

667
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Speaker 1: put more often. Right, and take that first putt you've

668
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: got from twenty five feet and you leave it six

669
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Speaker 1: feet short. Heavy stress, right, I mean you are going

670
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Speaker 1: to be and then you do that consistently, you're going

671
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 1: to have a putt and you're like, okay, I've left

672
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Speaker 1: every put short. Now I'm going to hammer this one

673
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: and now you've got six feet coming back because you've

674
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: hit it too hard. And that's that constant. You leave

675
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: it short, you leave it short, you leave it short,

676
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: you leave it short. Then you're going to get one past,

677
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: and then you don't what to do because now you've

678
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: left a bunch short, you've made Bogezer doubles. Then you

679
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: finally get one to the hole and you're like, okay,

680
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: now it is aggressive and ran this six feet past

681
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: and I miss that one. So now you're kind of

682
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: stuck in no man's land. Right.

683
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Speaker 2: So it's another tip of the cap to Richard Johnson,

684
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 2: who I just put it so simply creating those stress

685
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: fee rounds. We know there's stress and professional golf.

686
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: But the average golfer or c every time they go

687
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: play golf, like for the handicap golfer, right, unless you're

688
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: a scratch golfer unless you're a low single digit handicapper,

689
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 1: but if you're in that ten to thirty range, pretty

690
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 1: much every time you go play golf. I've talked about

691
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: this before. It's the equivalent of a major championship, right,

692
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: because it's stressful, it's going to be given your talent,

693
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: skill level, the tools you have in your toolbox, your

694
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: ability to go out and play golf. For most golfers,

695
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: if you're trying to break a hundred for the first time,

696
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: it's basically like playing Oakmont every single time you play

697
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: in a US Open. And we're talking your home course,

698
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 1: where the greens are probably going to be flat, where

699
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: the fairways are probably going to be wide, where the

700
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: rough isn't going to be deep in the majority of

701
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: golfers do not play as their home course a major

702
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: championship golf course that is in the US Open rota,

703
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: that is in the Open Championship rota, is that's in

704
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: the PGA, right. There are people like that, you know

705
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: some of the golf illuminat that are members at Cyprus, Seminole,

706
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: Pine Valley, Shinnacok. You know guys you know that live

707
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: down here in South Florida that you know, just they

708
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: they're members at all the great golf courses on the planet.

709
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,439
Speaker 1: The majority of people just have a regular golf course

710
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: they play, but every time they go out it is

711
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: like a really high stress tour event because you're just

712
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: trying to not make mistakes. You're just trying to make

713
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: as many parts. I've said this, We've done a podcast

714
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: on this. Just go on and make as many pars

715
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:17,720
Speaker 1: as you can. The other thing about the wide open

716
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: win game is if the pins on the right and

717
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: the goal of the game is to miss it on

718
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: the left, you're basically getting them to not aim at

719
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: the flag. You're getting them to almost aim away from

720
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 1: the flag. But by aiming away from the flag, you're

721
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,879
Speaker 1: going to get more opportunities to score.

722
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: And to save shots and to eliminate the risk. And

723
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: that's essentially how the best players in the world play.

724
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: We're two weeks out from the Masters. To me, that

725
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: is the ultimate chess game. And it's that way because

726
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 1: one the Masters has played at Augusta National every single year.

727
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:04,879
Speaker 1: We as fans, the players, the caddies, everybody associated with it.

728
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: You know what the golf course is, you know where

729
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: historically they are going to put pins. You know, the

730
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: pin on the eighteenth hole on Sunday is in the

731
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: same spot every single year. The pin on Sunday on

732
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: sixteen historically is in the same spot every So as

733
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Speaker 1: a player, as a fan, you kind of know where

734
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Speaker 1: these pins are going to be, right, you know the

735
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: green complexes where they put pins, you know, I think five, six,

736
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 1: the downhill par three. So they're playing chess at Augusta National, right,

737
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a constant game of chess there.

738
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we know every year we tell people. You know,

739
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: it's as much hillier as you think. TV doesn't show

740
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: the the greens, the slope, the walks. It's so difficult

741
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: to play this course and to play it well, it's

742
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 2: almost unimaginable.

743
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you miss your relative to where they

744
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 1: put some of the pins, like there's pins on seven,

745
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: the part four with the small green right after the

746
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: downhill six. There's certain pins that if you hit the

747
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: green but put the ball on the opposite side of green,

748
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: you are going to make bogie like you're you're staring

749
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: bogie in the face. So I think it's important for everyone,

750
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: and we've talked about this, but I think it's good

751
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 1: to revisit look at the hard holes at your golf course,

752
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: look at the scoring opportunities, and look at the scoring

753
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: holes that you've got, and on the scoring holes, play chess,

754
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: Play to your strengths, play to your advantage, and give

755
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,919
Speaker 1: yourself chances to make pars right.

756
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 2: You know, Augusta again is like another course that we'll

757
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: talk about maybe in the next week or so. It's

758
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: another course where the rules don't apply because the open

759
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: side or the white side of the green may be

760
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 2: the absolute worst place to put it. So that's just

761
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 2: the charm and the beauty of that tournament.

762
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 1: And it's the beauty of the design of the golf course,

763
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: the design of the green complexes. But I really think

764
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: that this idea of put the ball on the part

765
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: of the green where the pin isn't is going to

766
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: really help you not miss the green and then forced

767
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 1: you to have a really difficult, high tariff skill shot

768
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: to try and get out of there with a par.

769
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Speaker 2: Right. It's just another way to because we've kind of

770
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: taken Richard Johnson's concept and we've we're trying to build

771
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 2: that into what we track analytically, and we're trying to

772
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 2: build that into all the games we play here in

773
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 2: terms of team player and what we do at the

774
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: plurideum to be able to basically quantify a stress as

775
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 2: a stat that nobody really tracks out there until we

776
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: started doing it here in the last few months.

777
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: So would you say that the wide open win game

778
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: kind of helps engineer the putts that you're going to

779
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: leave yourself right? It can do that right, and then

780
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: the taking receipts game kind of tells you which puts

781
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: you actually make.

782
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 2: Yes, for sure. You can basically play both games at once,

783
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: and you're tracking a whole bunch of different stuff besides

784
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: your actual score, which again is a great way to

785
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: distract yourself from playing that poorly.

786
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: And distract yourself from focusing so much on the actual score.

787
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: We're actually in the process s mode here.

788
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, process over outcome.

789
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 2: In terms of checking w's and l's, but actually counting

790
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: balls six seven balls out that you missed putts by

791
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 2: in tracking that stat just takes you out of the

792
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 2: It takes you out of a kind of a pressure

793
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: to perform into more of a process oriented concept.

794
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: Lastly, back to keeping stats at which do you think

795
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: there's a handicap level. Do you think there's a scoring

796
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, the scoring barriers that you're trying to break,

797
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Like if you're shooting in the hundreds and you're trying

798
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 1: to break ninety, if you're shooting in the nineties and

799
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: you're trying to break eighty. Is there any of those

800
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 1: buckets where having stats isn't going to help? Because I

801
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: know what, I will get some comments on, well, I

802
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: mean I don't hit it good enough to where the

803
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: stats are going to make a difference, right, because we

804
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: hear that a lot, right with people saying, listen, I

805
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: need to get my golf better before I can start

806
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: tracking stats and they can make a difference. I completely

807
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: disagree with that.

808
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,720
Speaker 2: Correct. I would say it's if you're a hundred shooter,

809
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: probably the best system out there is Arcos because now

810
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: you can just get the link put in your pocket

811
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 2: and you literally don't have to do anything else except

812
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: start and end the rout and then maybe go back

813
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 2: and watch it or and look at it. Just the

814
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: Arcos Stata will will it tracks everything you do automatically.

815
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: So if you're a hundred guys a lot of shots

816
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: to put in. Right, If you're there's I mean, there's

817
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 2: I've looked at almost every stat system and the better

818
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 2: you are and the more level of detail, and there's

819
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 2: different levels of detail for each system, it's probably gonna

820
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 2: be what you choose and then end up with. Arcos

821
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: is really good for that kind of high handed, handicapped

822
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 2: guy that doesn't want to put a lot of effort

823
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 2: into the tracking component in terms of short side miss, proximity,

824
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 2: all that stuff. It's automatically done for you. Then you

825
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: can look at it maybe monthly, whereas the guys that

826
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: we work with on a daily basis, we can do

827
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: the daily tracking with clipped in terms that we can

828
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,479
Speaker 2: track practice, we can track journal entroies, we can track

829
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: a lot of contextual stuff in addition to the boxes

830
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 2: we check on the course. So it's like there's different

831
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 2: apps for different levels of players. I think eighteen rod

832
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: is a good one. I think a decade is a

833
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,359
Speaker 2: good one to get you started with horse management. I

834
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: think the garment watches and all all those guys.

835
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Speaker 1: We're giving shout outs to a lot of people that

836
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 1: if you want to come on and sponsor the podcast,

837
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Speaker 1: come on in, come on in.

838
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: I would say the ones that I've really zeroed in

839
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 2: on in the last five years. Basically is arcos just

840
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: from an automatic perspective music use, and then CLIP just

841
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 2: takes in terms of your coaching and all the clients

842
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 2: to coach. It definitely gives you a way to create

843
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 2: teams and organize all your players into one database. And

844
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 2: then clips you can basically dive in on context for

845
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 2: every shot, especially in a note taking perspective too, since

846
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: we give over every tournament with the guys on Friday.

847
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of the things I think that tracking your

848
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: stats can be really valuable at is I think golfers

849
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: are prediopposed to think that they're bad at everything. I

850
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: always say that one of the great benefits of tracking

851
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: your stats is you will be able to find something

852
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: in your game that is quantifiable that you do well right.

853
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,240
Speaker 1: It could be you're really good on left to right pots.

854
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: It could be you're really good on doubt. It doesn't

855
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,280
Speaker 1: matter what it is. I think one of the things

856
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: that are that's really important. I mean, and I always

857
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: say this to instructors as well, whenever we're talking about

858
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: you know how I give golf lessons. It's always easy

859
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: for those of us in a golf lesson to tell

860
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: you all the things that you're doing poorly. What I'm

861
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: always trying to do is say, Okay, yeah, you do

862
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: these things. You're not great at these things, but you

863
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: actually do this really well. You actually have a really

864
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: good grip, you actually have a really good setup. So

865
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm always trying to look at from a golf swing

866
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: technique standpoint, the wins, the things that the player does well.

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Speaker 1: And I think tracking your stats and playing these games

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Speaker 1: I know I'm good at this, and I have the

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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Always good to have you on. You know. I don't

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Speaker 1: know where you find the time to go through all

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Speaker 1: this data, but knowledge is power, and I think the

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Speaker 1: more that the regular handicapped golfer knows about what they

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Speaker 1: it's going to make that range time less exercise based,

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Speaker 1: less time wasted based, and you can practice stuff that

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Speaker 1: really can help you improve.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm literally up five to ten every day. I

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Speaker 2: care about the players we coach. I'm inherently curious. I

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Speaker 2: like to see what everyone else is doing, and I

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Speaker 2: like to do something different. So that's how we do it.

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Speaker 1: Ur See always good to have you on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: We will get you back on soon. It's the Son

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