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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind production of My

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is

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Speaker 1: Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And the movie

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Speaker 1: that we're gonna be talking about today is one called

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Speaker 1: Billy the Kid and the Green Bays Vampire, a film

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Speaker 1: from English director Alan Clark that came out in either

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five, nineteen eighty seven, or nineteen eighty nine,

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Speaker 1: depending on which source on the Internet you check. I

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Speaker 1: really was not able to figure out which one was correct.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess eighty five is right, but who knows

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Speaker 1: is what's on IMDb, so that's what I take to

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Speaker 1: go by, but sometimes that's that can be misleading. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's canonical. We can just accept it. And this is,

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Speaker 1: as far as I can tell, the world's only supernatural,

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Speaker 1: post apocalyptic Billyard sports musical. Uh and and folks, this

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Speaker 1: is such a fit for Weird House Cinema because this

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Speaker 1: is truly one of the strangest movies I have ever

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Speaker 1: laid eyes on. Yeah, this one I think initially popped

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Speaker 1: up on my radar when we were talking about Split Second,

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Speaker 1: the Ruggar Howard movie that also features one of the

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Speaker 1: actors in this film, Alan Armstrong. Uh and uh. And

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Speaker 1: I was looking into Armstrong's work and I saw this

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Speaker 1: curious title and I had to And you know, every

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Speaker 1: time I looked at it again, and I'd bring it

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Speaker 1: up occasionally, you know, I'd I'd look it up and think,

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Speaker 1: was this the week that I take a closer look

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Speaker 1: at this picture? And every time I learned a little

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Speaker 1: bit more about it, I was a little more convinced. Well,

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Speaker 1: I I know, months ago we watched a video of

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Speaker 1: one of the songs from this movie, because again it

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Speaker 1: is a musical, and it was a song where Alan

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Speaker 1: Armstrong is livid because there has been slander, uh where

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Speaker 1: I guess it would be Liabel printed about him in

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Speaker 1: a newspaper. And he appears to be a vampire in

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Speaker 1: this song, but it's sort of ambiguous without having seen

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Speaker 1: the whole film, and uh, it was so good. I remember,

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Speaker 1: there's a line that is stuck in my head ever

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Speaker 1: since we first watched the song where he protests, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I never had no alligators living in me bath. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we just Rachel and I walk around the house singing

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Speaker 1: that a lot. Oh man, there's so many lines in

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Speaker 1: this movie where they would just there, they're they're washing

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Speaker 1: over me, And I'm not sure if they're just you

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Speaker 1: know you are or were usual turns of phrase uh

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Speaker 1: in um in British slang, particularly Cockney slanging in some cases,

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Speaker 1: or if this is just just pure poetry, uh you

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Speaker 1: know from the screenwriter here, uh you know stuff about

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Speaker 1: There's there's one character where Alan Armstrong's um character is

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Speaker 1: talking about her and says, oh if she if you

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Speaker 1: ever told the truth, that would turn her teeth black.

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Speaker 1: Like that's something almost Shakespearean about that line. But I

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Speaker 1: have no idea if that's something that people say every day,

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Speaker 1: or if this is it, this is the time what

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Speaker 1: those those words exited somebody's mouth. Same here. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of expressions in the movie, and there were

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Speaker 1: multiple I think uh regional British sort of vernacular coming out.

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Speaker 1: Like one character is clearly he's like eastern London expressions.

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Speaker 1: He's Cockney, that's our our title, Billy the Kid character.

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Speaker 1: But then the green based vampire I believe is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be from the north of England. I think he's

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Speaker 1: sort of regionalisms but I have to also say, I

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Speaker 1: think of all the movies we have ever watched for

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Speaker 1: the show, this was the hardest to understand. It's absolutely

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Speaker 1: just clattering with deep British accents and expressions. I think specifically,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the Cockney expressions just went right past me,

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Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know what that meant.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get the vibe. A lot of it

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Speaker 1: is insults of various kinds. This movie is thick with insults.

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Speaker 1: Almost every reference a character makes to another character is

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Speaker 1: an insulting one, and even with subtitles on, I often

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Speaker 1: had no idea what characters were talking about, at least

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Speaker 1: the first time I watched it. Yeah, I watched this

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Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime with the subtitles on because I wanted

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Speaker 1: to to follow follow the dialogue and also the lyrics

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Speaker 1: something somebody's saying. And then also sometimes the subtitles were

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Speaker 1: a little inaccurately, seemed to be off just a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So I want to come back to the genre designations.

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Speaker 1: I made about this up at the top. So again,

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Speaker 1: this is a sports movie, which is going to be

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Speaker 1: unusual for weird house cinema. I mean, usually sports movies

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Speaker 1: called snooker, or as all the characters in in this

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Speaker 1: movie say snooker. I think that's the British the common

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Speaker 1: And if that, if that irritates British listeners, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: but I may have to say snooker because of just

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Speaker 1: snooker times, I um in my head as i've and

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Speaker 1: and and certainly I heard it while watching this film. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So snooker is a type of Q sport or billiard

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Speaker 1: or billiard sports, you know, imagine a game like pool.

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Speaker 1: like that. It's a pocket ball Q type game, but

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Speaker 1: it has that extra special English flare. It's got a

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Speaker 1: But on top of that, it's not just a sports movie.

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Speaker 1: It's a supernatural sports movie. Since one of the two

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Speaker 1: players is literally a magical vampire. This is a little

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Speaker 1: more ambiguous early in the film, but later on he

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Speaker 1: a vampire. You had the same understanding, right, I think

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Speaker 1: so that this this is a movie that I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's how many different versions of unreality is this movie

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Speaker 1: in because just by virtue of being a musical, a

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Speaker 1: musical is a film in which people spontaneously burst into

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Speaker 1: characters thinking or what their characters motivations are, but just

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Speaker 1: to sort of to set the scene, like where are

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Speaker 1: than that. I'm not sure what some of these songs

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Speaker 1: the opening song is just about money, Yeah yeah, green

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Speaker 1: tickets yeah yeah. Uh but okay, so so it's just

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Speaker 1: I was Angels in the Outfield. Maybe maybe air Bud,

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Speaker 1: Outfield definitely. It's probably a good an example because that's

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Speaker 1: a movie that I've not seen in a very long time.

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Speaker 1: But it's about baseball, but it's also about the feelings

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Speaker 1: And so in a similar sense, this is not just

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Speaker 1: gets into like what does it mean? And whose game

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Speaker 1: lot of the deeper um like social commentary that's in

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Speaker 1: political picture. Yeah, well, I would say it is not

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Speaker 1: nearly on the same level of sort of syrupy sentimentality

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Speaker 1: more of a kind of nasty movie. Uh. Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't know about nasty, but it's I don't know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's harder edged that. Like all the characters are mean. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know. There's some some you know, London

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty tame picture. I don't want anybody to

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Speaker 1: think that it's like a video nasty sort of a situation. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I don't mean like that. I just mean that it's

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Speaker 1: just full of mean attitude. Yeah. Yeah, not not a

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Speaker 1: lot of love in this picture, okay. But also the game, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's all about snooker vibes. But it's also a musical,

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Speaker 1: as we said, so everybody's constantly breaking into song, including

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Speaker 1: multiple songs that are about snooker itself. Uh. And then

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Speaker 1: I had to throw in also, I called it a

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Speaker 1: It's not because anything is explicitly acknowledged about that in

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Speaker 1: entire film takes place in a vast network of fallout

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Speaker 1: shelter tunnels and underground bunkers. Yeah. Absolutely. The entirety of

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Speaker 1: And I think all this is perfect. I'm not entirely

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Speaker 1: not want this picture to have any exteriors for any

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Speaker 1: natural environments like it adds to this field. It does

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Speaker 1: feel placed apocalyptic. You could if you were to say, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: Judge Dread comics, I would say, yeah, absolutely, it really

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Speaker 1: and and that would be fitting for the time period two,

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Speaker 1: critique of British society during the nineteen eighties. There's a

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Speaker 1: constant sort of shoving out of the frame of a

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Speaker 1: nagging sense of worldwide despair that that is uh embodied

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Speaker 1: in the fact that there are no windows in this movie,

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Speaker 1: and nobody ever sees the sky, and even when characters

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Speaker 1: whatever you're looking at right now. Yes, absolutely, now, okay.

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Speaker 1: I said at the beginning that there appears to be

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Speaker 1: some confusion on the internet about what year this movie

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Speaker 1: was released. I think we're going with nineteen eighty five.

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Speaker 1: That seems the most plausible, but I've seen eighty seven,

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Speaker 1: I've seen eighty nine. There is also some confusion about

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Speaker 1: the title of this movie. Now, everywhere I could read

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Speaker 1: it was acknowledged as Billy the Kid in the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay's Vampire. Bays is b A I Z E. That

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Speaker 1: is the name for the material that that coats the

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Speaker 1: top of a snooker table or a pool table. But

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Speaker 1: is called Billy and the Vampire. And so I did

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Speaker 1: more I watched it, and afterwards I found myself coming

425
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: back to at least a few of the songs. Yeah. Yeah,

426
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: I also really like the Supersonic Sam's Cosmic Cafe song

427
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,120
Speaker 1: That one's good. Yeah. And then in our final showdown.

428
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,920
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of music where we we call

429
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,439
Speaker 1: have callbacks to various previous numbers, which was nice. Yeah, yeah, okay,

430
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 1: So who actually directed this? This was directed by Alan Clark,

431
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: who lived nineteen thirty five through nineteen ninety English director,

432
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: perhaps best known for his gritty and serious British dramas

433
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: from the seventies and eighties, including nine eight two Is

434
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 1: Made in Britain, in which Tim Roth plays a neo

435
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 1: Nazi skinhead youth, as well as nineteen seventy nine Scum

436
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: starring Ray Winston as a juvenile of Fender. He also

437
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: did a film in ninety eighty nine titled The Firm,

438
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: which has nothing to do with lawyers. Instead, it's about

439
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: Gary Oldman as a soccer hooligan. Nothing. Okay, so this

440
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: is not the Tom Cruise John Grisham adaptation, right. Um.

441
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 1: He did a lot of TV work. I feel like

442
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: those three films seem to sort of signify a lot

443
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 1: of what he was about. You know, like these are

444
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: three different films about like really you know, disturbed and

445
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: or violent, uh, members of sort of the the you know,

446
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: the British working class. Um. A lot of his work

447
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: is very political, and again, despite the weirdness and light

448
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: hearted spirit, you know more or less of this film,

449
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: they're obvious political overtones as well. It's about you know,

450
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: who owns this game? You know what's going on in

451
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: society at the time. Uh, you know, who has who

452
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: has the power? Who has the balls? Uh? That that

453
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: comes into playing the final the final showdown, Like there's

454
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: this well we'll get to it in a bit, but yeah,

455
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: there's this idea of like the balls or the power

456
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: of society and who has access to it and who

457
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: is who is dominated the playing field to an unfair degree.

458
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, So this is, i would say, pretty

459
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 1: straightforwardly a class war movie, and and class in the

460
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: British sense of like more overtly acknowledge existence of class

461
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: strata in society where there's like a self conscious upper

462
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: class that they think of themselves as the upper class.

463
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 1: And they are very mad about the idea that you

464
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: know that that riff raff are invading their institutions. They

465
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: don't want just you know whatever guy who just stumbled

466
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: drunk out of a video arcade to come with snooker

467
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: against them. This is a gentleman's sport, don't you understand.

468
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: Don't be coming in here with your green hair, alright.

469
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: The writer on this was Trevor Preston, who lived through

470
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: two thousand and eighteen, known for such films as two

471
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: thousand Threes, I'll Sleep when I'm Dead, Starting Clive Owen,

472
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: and the V two psychological thriller What the Peeper Saw.

473
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: Have not seen any of those. Since this is a musical,

474
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to go ahead and mention the music credit

475
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 1: on this before we get into the cast um. Uh So,

476
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: George Finton has the mutics of credit here. Five time

477
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: Academy Award nominee responsible for numerous scores including Groundhog Day,

478
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: Mary Riley, The Fisher King, The Company of Wolves, and

479
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 1: Cry Freedom. He also scored Wolves. Yeah, yeah, that's the

480
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: if I'm remembering correctly, that's the one where had the

481
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,159
Speaker 1: the wolf mouth coming out of the human mouth transformation, right,

482
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 1: the Neil Jordan film. I want to say, yes, yes,

483
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: it's right. That one is very weird. Also that we

484
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: can possibly talked about that in the future on the show.

485
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: Finton also scored numerous documentaries, including several David Attenborough documentaries

486
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: like The Big Banner David Attenborough, It's Like Blue Planet

487
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: and so forth. If you've seen one of those, you've

488
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: probably listened to George Finton's music. He also did a

489
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: lot of theater work as well well. Like I said

490
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,199
Speaker 1: on this one, I would not say the music doesn't

491
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: have me across the board, but the highlights are really good. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

492
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: One of the weird things about the score for this

493
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 1: film is, as far as I can tell, it was

494
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: never released in any format. I could find no evidence

495
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 1: of it ever coming out on on vinyl or cassette,

496
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: much less on CD or as a digital album. Uh.

497
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: It seems like a real shame, especially now with all

498
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: these like special editions that come out of of cult

499
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: favorite scores and soundtracks. Can't you imagine that the Green

500
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: Bay's vinyl? Uh, it just screams to be done. I

501
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: don't know why it hasn't. Oh how would they do? Well?

502
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: What like right in the in the middle part that

503
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: doesn't play, it's like the green felt or or it's

504
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: even it's made out of it's made out of repurposed

505
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: cue balls or something. Yeah, there's so many directions you

506
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: could go, and I guess it just doesn't happen yet

507
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: for one reason or another. Now, well, whoever owns the

508
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: rights issue that thing. Yeah, alright, let's get into the cast. Uh,

509
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: it's it's Billy the Kid in the Green Bay's Vampire.

510
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: So let's start with Billy. Billy the Kid is played

511
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: by Phil Daniels born ninety eight. This is our Cockney

512
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: nuclear hero actor of stage, screen and TV, who appeared

513
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: in Quadrophenia, Zulu Down, Scum the Bride. That's the Frankenstein

514
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: film that has Um staying in it, among others. Uh.

515
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: He was a voice in Chicken Run, and he's in

516
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 1: the music video for Blurs Park Life, in which he

517
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: plays a singing salesman. So he was in I think

518
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: he was the lead role in Quadrophenia, playing playing So

519
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: that's another sort of rock opera from the who most

520
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: people know Tommy but don't know Quadrophenia. I don't actually

521
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: like Quadrophenia a good bit better if at least I've

522
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: never seen the movie, to be honest, But I love

523
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: the album and I think he's the main kid in

524
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: that who's also like a kind of like he is

525
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: in this sort of a board slightly threatening disaffected youth. Yeah, yeah,

526
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: that is he saying in Quadrophenia, do you know. Yeah,

527
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't know if the movie Quadrophenia is like Tommy

528
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: the movie where they have like, you know, different actors

529
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: come in and do do the parts, uh, or if

530
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: it's just like you know that they're playing the actual

531
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: album with Roger Gultry singing and so forth. Now, the

532
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: character Billy the Kid here is allegedly based on real

533
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: life snooker player Jimmy White born two who's still active

534
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: today and professional snooker and is a three time world

535
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: champion nicknamed the Whirlwind. Highest ranking was I think number

536
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 1: two in the world. Now, because you find anywhere where

537
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: the actual snooker players that these characters are based on

538
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: have commented on this movie, I did not. I couldn't

539
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: find anybody really commenting on this movie. I don't know

540
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: if it just if it just uh like if it

541
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: came out at a bad time, or they didn't know

542
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: how to promote it, like I was, like a lot

543
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: of times you'll find actors like say David Warner talking

544
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: about just various small films they did and having some

545
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: something to say about them. And I couldn't find anybody

546
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: anybody commenting on this film. I don't know if it

547
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: if it doesn't have quite strong enough of a cult

548
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: following or or or what the situation is. I mean,

549
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: nobody's saying doesn't seem to be Nobody seems to be

550
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: saying anything negative about it, but they don't seem to

551
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: even be acknowledging that had happened. Um, maybe I'm just

552
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: missing a juicy interview here there. Well well, I would

553
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: also speaking of actors commenting on the roles, like David

554
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: Warner going back, I would love to hear what Alan

555
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: Armstrong thinks about this. So should we talk about Alan Armstrong?

556
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: He plays the titular vampire Maxwell Randall, the the the

557
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: Green Bay's villain of the night. Yes, yes, Alan Armstrong

558
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: are scowling Prince of darkness um and snooker. So we

559
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: we talked about him on our split second episode a bit.

560
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, he has probably I think one of the

561
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: best sneers in all of cinema, the best scowls um

562
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: he can He can look with such disdain at the

563
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 1: camera or at other other characters on screen in a

564
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: in a in a way that I don't know other

565
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: faces cannot. He has a true gift. Yeah, he's He's

566
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: excellent in this. I mean he's great in everything. I

567
00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: think I've seen him well, I don't know if he

568
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: was all that memorable and uh and split second, but

569
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: that that was not really an actor's workshop kind of movie.

570
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: He was still memorable though, Like he played Rudgar Howard's

571
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: character's boss was just just in a snarling rage the

572
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: whole time his character and that his name was Thrasher.

573
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: So they just get into argument very like every conversation

574
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: is sort of like badge, I'm taking your badge and

575
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: your guns sort of a thing. You're taking it too personal,

576
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: you're off the force. You'ra loose cannon. Here's your new partner. Yeah.

577
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: But but Armstrong has been in tons of stuff. I

578
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: think he was something of of a workaholic for a

579
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: long time. He's been in TV movies, stage productions. Often

580
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: plays sort of scowling authority figures in the like his

581
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: first screen credit was Get Carter, and he's had other

582
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: notable roles in such pictures as The Duellists, Krawl, Kralah.

583
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: He's kind of not as recognizable and Krawl because he's um.

584
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: He's got like his beard's grown out and he don't know,

585
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: he doesn't look as as as Alan Armstrong as he

586
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: often does, if that makes sense. I remember from when

587
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: I was younger, I have a very firm stamp of

588
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: his face from the movie Brave Heart, which is which

589
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: is not a great movie, not just for its historical inaccuracy,

590
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 1: but I think it's sort of egregious in many ways,

591
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: but has a fantastic cast. I love Patrick Magoohan as

592
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: the mustache twirling king in it. Yeah, yeah, he was

593
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: in some some big name pictures for a for a

594
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: spell there. He was in Sleepy Hollow, The Mummy Returns

595
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: van Helsing Oliver twist uh so, and he's done very

596
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: very well for himself, it seems. But he's exactly the

597
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: sort of actor that has appeared on both Tales from

598
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: the Crypt and Downton Abbey, which I think that's all

599
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: you need to know about Alan Armstrong, and like that

600
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: covers sort of the sort of roles he can play

601
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: and the sort of play roles he often does play.

602
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: But so, okay, Billy the Kid was apparently at least

603
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: loosely based on a real snooker player, and the Green

604
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: Bays Vampire is as well. Yes, that is he even

605
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: more of a case with with this character, the Green

606
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: Bays Vampire Maxwell. The Green Bays Vampire is based on

607
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: Welsh professional snooker player Ray Reardon born n two um,

608
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: still alive as of this recording, now retired, but he

609
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: was a six time world champion, at one time ranked

610
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: number one in the world. And I don't I've not

611
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,959
Speaker 1: read anything to indicate that this guy was a meanie

612
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: or a villain in real life. But his nickname, and

613
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: it seems like all these major snooker players have nicknames.

614
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: His nickname was Dracula because he had a pronounced widow's

615
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 1: peak and kind of sharp looking teeth. Yeah, he looks

616
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: like somebody who would be a Bella Leegostie copycat in

617
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: a parody film of Dracula. Yeah, you can see why

618
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: the nickname stuck. Now, now as you're saying, though, I

619
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: want to be careful to this movie casts, I would

620
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: say strong. You know, you could even say moral aspersions

621
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: on all of its characters, even the alleged here row,

622
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's meant to apply to this,

623
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: this real life guy, this actual snooker player. As far

624
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: as I can tell, it's more of an esthetic inspiration, right, yeah,

625
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: sort of like well, you know that guy that they

626
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: called Dracula, what he really was a vampire, you know,

627
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: and you can imagine sort of the conversation and the

628
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: brainstorming session that that that that carried on from there.

629
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: The other thing that's a parallel, which is interesting, is

630
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: that in the movie Alan Armstrong, screen bass vampire does

631
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: product endorsements. So he's like filming a TV commercial where

632
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: he gets up out of a coffin and then sprays

633
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: breath freshener in his mouth. Um, but you shared a

634
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: video of this guy in a beer commercial and I

635
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: gotta say, great beer commercial. Yeah, Like the announcer is

636
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: asking him, uh, does does two bore gold help you

637
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: play better snooker? And he's excuse me snooker and he's like, no,

638
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: I just like to drink it. And anyway, Yeah, I

639
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: think Armstrong is great in this role. Um. It's uh,

640
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: it's wonderful because he's he gets to be kind of

641
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: a very much a vampire at times. He gets to

642
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: be a supernatural menace, but he also is like this

643
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: human being, you know, so he's he's not completely unrelatable,

644
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: even though he is a bit nasty and egotistical and

645
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: very much out for blood against this young generation of

646
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: snooker player. Um, but but I don't know, it's it's

647
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: it's a really good performance if you if you like

648
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: this guy, this is definitely a movie to see. Yeah,

649
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: he's he's a little bit sympathetic because even though he's

650
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: clearly a bad guy, he's also having a hard time,

651
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: like they are printing slander about him or excuse me,

652
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 1: libel in the newspapers. And he's to some extent being manipulated,

653
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: as we'll get into as well. All right, Another major

654
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: character in this is the character t O, which stands

655
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: for the One. That's another connection to Quadrophenia. Oh yeah,

656
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: you know that song? No, I don't. I'm really not

657
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: familiar with Quadrophenia at Oh well look at the song

658
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: I'm the One. It's a song in Quadrophenia. I assume

659
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: this is just a coincidence. But yes, t O the

660
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: one um played played by Bruce Payne. Yes born n

661
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: I'd say there's a very good chance most of you

662
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 1: out there are familiar with Bruce Payne as a B

663
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: movie villain, thanks to various roles in such films as

664
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: The Howling Six, The Freaks, Uh, Necronomicon, Book of the Dead, Uh,

665
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Passenger fifty seven, Warlock three, The End of Innocence, that's

666
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: where he takes over the lead role from Julian Sands,

667
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: who played the Warlock in the first two pictures. You know,

668
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: he looks a little bit more like Julian Sands in

669
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: this movie when he's got the blonde hair. That's right. Yeah,

670
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: I think most of this picture if you think of

671
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Bruce Payne, if you think of Bruce Payne at all,

672
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: you picture like a bald, scowling British villain. Um. But

673
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: in this picture he's younger, you know, thinner Handsomer looks

674
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: very very much came out of the same uh you know,

675
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: clone vat as Julian Sands. Oh, but he was also

676
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: he was in Highlander in game that's uh, that's the

677
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: one that had both Um Christopher Lambert and what's his name,

678
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Adrian Paul, the guy from the TV series. Oh, I

679
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: didn't know that. I've never seen it. I have it either.

680
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it was extremely well received, but he's

681
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: is it more? Is it one of the more swordfighting

682
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: focused ones? Are one of the more hand to hand

683
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: martial arts ones. I don't know. It's one where they

684
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: I think they tried to to bring the film franchise

685
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: and the TV franchise together into like one final showdown,

686
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 1: while also of course continuing to ignore Highlander to the

687
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: quickly well there's your problem right there exactly. Uh. Bruce

688
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: Payne was also in uh the year two thousands Dungeons

689
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: and Dragons, starting alongside Jeremy Irons. YEP. I looked up

690
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: because I've seen that movie and oh, I gotta say,

691
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: I recall it being not good but quite a fun

692
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: viewing experience because it's it's in the unintentionally hilarious category,

693
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: and it's got Jeremy iron Is playing some kind of

694
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: frothing Warlock. I remember him being it being one of

695
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: the most hyperactive performances I've ever seen. And uh, and

696
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: I think Bruce Payne plays like his main Warlock Henchman.

697
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: He's like bald with with blue lips and he's got

698
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: weird snakes coming out of his head and stuff. Yeah. Yeah,

699
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: I think I watched it once and it yeah, it was.

700
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: I was not taken by it. It Uh. It did

701
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: not reflect well on Dungeons and Dragons for me. I

702
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: recall it being the kind of movie that, like, when

703
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: they want to show blood or some other kind of

704
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: liquid like running down I said, of stairs they had

705
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: it was like c g I blood, But it was

706
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: like year two thousand, c g I blood. And I

707
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: was like, how much would it have cost to just

708
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: like film actual liquid pouring down these stairs? Uh? Maybe

709
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: maybe they were like, we gotta get that, we gotta

710
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: get a better rating, we gotta get the kids in,

711
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: So just make the blood as fake as possible. All right.

712
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: So that's Bruce Payne. Uh, he's he's pretty good in this.

713
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: Like I said, well, this is this is not the

714
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: Bruce Payne that most of you are familiar with. In

715
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: this picture, he's singing. He's a lot more fun. He's

716
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: not just a scowling villain. He gets punched in the

717
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: face by a hero, you know. Speaking of the singing,

718
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if you agree with me on this,

719
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 1: rob but I will say that, while in general the

720
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: cast is great in this movie, most of the players

721
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: do not seem to have been cast on the basis

722
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: of singing ability. Uh. It's more like they were cast

723
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: as actors and then it was like you can sing

724
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: to right, Yeah, don't worry about it. But I would

725
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: say that the next person we're going to talk about.

726
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: Louise Gold is probably the best straightforward singer in the cast.

727
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: She sings the song where you hear the name of

728
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: the movie Billy the Kid in the Green Bays Vampire.

729
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: It's during like a a practice montage, and she's great. Yeah, Yeah,

730
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: Louise Gold playing Miss Sullivan, the troublemaking journalist. Gold was

731
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: born ninety six and she's had quite a career as

732
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: a as both a screen and a stage actor. She

733
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: was in the film adaptation of the Pirates of Penzance,

734
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: but she's probably best known as a puppet here who

735
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: worked on numerous Jim Hinson productions over the years. I

736
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: was quite surprised to read this. Yeah, and when I

737
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: say Jim Hinson productions, I'm talking the Original Muppet Show, Uh,

738
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: the original The Dark Crystal. She's credited as a performer

739
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: for the Gormond Skexies character. She also worked on the

740
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: Muppet Christmas Carol. She came back to work on The

741
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: Dark Crystal, The Age of Resistance, um, just to name

742
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 1: a few. She also appears as a ballroom dancer in Labyrinth.

743
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,320
Speaker 1: I think she also did various live action dance bits

744
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: on The Muppet Show in addition to her puppeteer work.

745
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: So anytime they needed a you know, an actual human

746
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: being moving along, maybe dancing in the background. Um, Louise

747
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: Gold was one of the people they turned to. So yeah,

748
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: I would say she is also great in this. I

749
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: think she's the best singer in the cast, but also

750
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: has a very good sort of cold, closed affect as

751
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: the utterly unscrupulous snooker journalist. Yeah. Now she's not the

752
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: only female character. We also have Miss Randall. That's Maxwell's wife, Um,

753
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: who's who's very supporting, a very i think a strong character.

754
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: She has his back, she has his side. She drives

755
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: him to the Stoker Championship match there in a in

756
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: a motorcycle and he's in the little sidecar and brilliant,

757
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: very good staging because they're driving through green fog and

758
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: the vampires wearing this helmet with and she's not wearing

759
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: a helmet. Oh god, these scenes of driving, you might think, well,

760
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: the driving scenes, those are the ones that are shot outdoors. No,

761
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: these are shot. If you've ever watched Garth Marenghi's Dark Place, Yeah,

762
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: they do those driving sequences. This is the same technique

763
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: like I can. I don't know if there are other

764
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: films or other TV shows that that prominently use this

765
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: method of creating the effect of driving at night, but

766
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: that that I would not be surprised to learn that

767
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: this was one of the reference points for dark Place. Oh,

768
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: it's so dark place everyone's about to be Why can't

769
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: she be mine? I wish I were more attractive like

770
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: Daglas anyway, Miss Randall that was played by Eve Farrett,

771
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: who was born in nineteen three. British actress, comedian, singer

772
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: songwriter came up in burlesque and then appeared in such

773
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: films as Haunted, Honeymoon, UM, Absolute Beginners, which I believe

774
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: also had had pain in it. But then she also

775
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: pops up in the David Bowie short film UM music

776
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: Video Jazz and for Blue Jean. Yeah, she's really good

777
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: in this. She always has a I think the whole

778
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: movie has a toy poodle in her arm in every scene.

779
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: And uh, there there's a great scene where Alan Armstrong

780
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: is is having fits because a bunch of libel has

781
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: been printed in in the newspaper by miss Sullivan, uh

782
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: and making all these allegations about him, and he hands

783
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: the paper to to his wife and she's reading it

784
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: and he, you know, he's like screaming, and she just says,

785
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: what is a terrible turkey? Oh? Yeah, yeah, she's good.

786
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: And then she's got some pipes. She's, oh yeah, some

787
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: kind of opera sopranos singing. All right, now we have

788
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: another great character actor in this. Uh Don Henderson plays

789
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: the Wednesday Man, who's kind of a British underworld figure

790
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: that that plays an important part in the plot. I

791
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: thought I recognized this guy from somewhere, and I was like,

792
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: what is that strange hair beard combination? Why have I

793
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: seen this before? And why do I pair it with

794
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: this gravelly voice? And then I saw your note and

795
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my lord. He's in Star Wars.

796
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: He's in the scene on the Death Star. Yes, he

797
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: plays in seventy seven Star Wars. He plays that imperial

798
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: general who's choked out by Darth Vader for his disturbing

799
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: lack of faith. No, no, no, I think uh, I

800
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: think it's the younger guy, the other guy who's like,

801
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: he's all about how good the Death Star is and

802
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: how it's better than the fleet. Yes, you're right. He

803
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: They look very similar except um yeah, except for Don

804
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: Henderson as as a as an evil or face, so

805
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: and kind of a more of a you know, a

806
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: rat like has rat like eyes. So yeah, this guy's

807
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: never gonna get choked out by Vader. He's gonna he's

808
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna fall in line. He's only going to be as

809
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: as snotty as he needs to be. He knows how

810
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,919
Speaker 1: to maintain his place within the imperial ranks. I think

811
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: he's the guy who's saying, if the rebels are able

812
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: to obtain a technical read out, yes, yeah, what wonderful, wonderful,

813
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: little nasty role um. And I think he made kind

814
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: of a career of such roles. But he pops up

815
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: in a number of pictures. He was in Brazil and

816
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: he was also in the Adventures of Baron Munchausen. He

817
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: was in the Island opposite Michael Caine and David Warner.

818
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: He also played the Ghoul in The Ghoul opposite Peter

819
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,839
Speaker 1: Cushing and a very young John Hurt. I actually looked

820
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: that one up. That one looks I haven't seen it.

821
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: It looks like it may be rather culturally insensitive, but

822
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: also has a great hammer style cast. Yeah, yeah, I

823
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: haven't seen it either. But but yeah, that the cast

824
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: looks interesting. In John Hurt looks I don't know how

825
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,280
Speaker 1: old he was when that film was made, but he's

826
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: far younger than I'm used to seeing John Hurt, like

827
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 1: the the the wrinkles had not really set in yet. Yeah,

828
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: that he is a spring chicken. Now. Another actor I

829
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: just want to mention, not not because he really has

830
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: any connections to anything, but just because he's really on

831
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: in this picture is Neil McCall, who plays Big Jack JA.

832
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: What is this guy supposed to be? I guess he's

833
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: like the the snooker hype man. He just comes out

834
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: when the snooker game is about to begin. He comes

835
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: out to sing a song about how snooker is awesome. Yes, uh,

836
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: snooker so much, so much more than just a game.

837
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: Um that's the that's the song, and it's just such

838
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: a performance and it's all about yes, we no matter

839
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: what our differences are, you know, snooker is the best.

840
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Snooker brings us together. It's it's not just it's not

841
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: just a game. It's the world. You know. He talks

842
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: about how if you get to heaven, it's gonna be

843
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: green bays everywhere. Yes, so anyway, it's a tremendously flamboyant performance.

844
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: Neil McCaw was born seven, still active. Um. He also

845
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: had a small part in the Pirates of Penzance, did

846
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: a lot of TV work, and has also done a

847
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: fair amount of voice over work in animation in video games.

848
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 1: He's wearing a great like sort of green satin almost

849
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,280
Speaker 1: Paisley blazer in this, and he's got a pompadour. Rachel

850
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: walked through the room and she was like, oh is

851
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: Morrissey in this? It's not him, but it's not. The

852
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: hair is similar, but the hair is great. One more person,

853
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: just to mention, Clive Tickner born three with cinematographer on

854
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: this picture. Um, we don't always highlight the cinematographer, but

855
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: it's interesting because he was also the cinematographer Split Second,

856
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: which we refer to already another movie without a sky.

857
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: Really that sort of takes place all all within tunnels,

858
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: even when it's allegedly outdoors. Yeah, so you can see

859
00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: the you can see the DNA in both of them. Okay, Well,

860
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: should we talk a little bit about the plot and

861
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: some of our favorite scenes? Oh yes, let's do it

862
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 1: all right. Well, as I already mentioned. It starts off saying, hey,

863
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: this movie is called Billy and the Vampire. If anybody

864
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: tells you different, don't believe them. Uh. So, the first

865
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 1: scenes we get of the characters are inner cutting between

866
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 1: two different scenes in different places. So we're watching Billy

867
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: the Kid again. This is Phil Daniels. Are are in

868
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: the words of I think, in the words of the

869
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: Wednesday Man. He's our cockroach, cockney cowboy. He's got a strong,

870
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: curly mullet, and he's doing like late night private snooker

871
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: games for big cash bets. He's making money. And then meanwhile,

872
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: t O is, uh, that's Bruce Payne. He's somewhere else.

873
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: He's gambling at a card game I think it's supposed

874
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 1: to be poker, and it's revealed that he is in

875
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 1: some kind of debt to a very scary loan shark.

876
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 1: And this is the Wednesday Man. And again both scenes

877
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: feel like they are too taking place inside a fallout

878
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: shelter where light bulbs or as rare as golden, because

879
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: both scenes are illuminated only by by scant little bits

880
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: of light and there's just flooding darkness all around. So

881
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: we're in the catacombs, and and the first thing we

882
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: get is that already this world is all cutthroat competition.

883
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: Billy's playing snooker for high high sums of money. T

884
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: O is gambling for big pots. And I will say

885
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 1: that from the beginning. Both of these, though I guess

886
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: there are protagonists, sort of, they're not traditional lovable sweetheart

887
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: protagonists like you might get in some other musical. Both

888
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: of them already have a kind of sort of nasty,

889
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: nihilistic edge, like you could imagine Billy the Kid killing

890
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: somebody with a broken bottle outside a pub over an

891
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: argument that started on a like Mrs pac Man cabinet. Yeah. Yeah,

892
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: these are not characters who are involved with snooker because

893
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: they just love the game. It's because they want the money.

894
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: In fact that I think the first song, or one

895
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: of the first songs in the picture is about the money.

896
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: It's called green tickets, referring stamps, green stamps, I'm sorry,

897
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: referring to cold hard cash. Is that what it is?

898
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: I thought that's what it was, but I didn't. This

899
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: is one of the many things I was like, I

900
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: think there's some cultural thing I'm missing here. Could this

901
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: be about some kind of coupons. Now, I think it's

902
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: just about cash. I think it's cash, yes, and and

903
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but that's that's certainly what I

904
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: got from it. What else would these these guys be

905
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: singing about. I don't know, Well, actually, let me I

906
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: think for I think t O is into the money,

907
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: and I think Billy. I wouldn't say he's in it

908
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: for the love of the game. I would say Billy

909
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: is in it for ego. He seems to be like

910
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: he wants to be the best in the world. He

911
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: wants everybody to recognize that he's number one. Right, Yeah,

912
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's he's taking the money, and he's

913
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: he seems to be blowing all the money and and

914
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: he's but he's he's living life like there's no tomorrow. Yeah,

915
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: his relationship with the money is interesting. So it's like

916
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: he wants the money, but then he also he's not

917
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: trying to save up or anything, like he gets out

918
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: of his first game, and he seems to be just

919
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,919
Speaker 1: wandering around, like handing out stacks of cash to people

920
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: living on the streets, which makes him seem like nice,

921
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: but he's also I think living a life of shallow luxury,

922
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: like he just he just wants fancy cars and cool

923
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: clothes and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's not really robin

924
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: Hood so much. It's it's more like he disdains the

925
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: money as much as he disdains anything else. But again

926
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: to point out that, so he's wandering around outside in

927
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: the streets, and it's clearly it's not outside, the outside

928
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: is inside. He's in some kind of pitch black tunnel

929
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: with just these little showers of sickly light coming out

930
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: of something overhead. And uh. Then then after this we

931
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: basically get the set up to the plot. So t

932
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: o he has his his gambling, he's playing cards and

933
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: he after this, he goes to deliver a big pot

934
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: of money to settle outstanding debts with the with the

935
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: Imperial officer the Wednesday Man, and again some set notes.

936
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 1: He goes to meet him in a place that looks

937
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: like an underground construt ruction site where everything is draped

938
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: in tarps. Oh and here begins a funny thread that

939
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: goes throughout the movie. So he has the money that

940
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: he owes the Wednesday Man, but the Wednesday Man won't

941
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: accept it because it is a couple of minutes past midnight,

942
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: making it a Thursday. And the Wednesday Man apparently just

943
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: like only does things on Wednesdays, and so if you

944
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: don't get him his money before midnight on Wednesday, then

945
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: your dollar debt turns into a hundred thousand. Yeah. I

946
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,879
Speaker 1: love it. Like they never explain it, so it's it's

947
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: almost kind of like um like sea level batman villain

948
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: kind of weirdness. Uh so, yeah, I absolutely love this.

949
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: The Wednesday Man is only going to do crimes on Wednesday.

950
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: On Thursdays, no, no, no longer, just see him next

951
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: week if you're still trying to do crimes on Thursday.

952
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's like I'm the clock king. I only

953
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: accept payment in clocks. Wednesday Man only accepts payment on Wednesdays.

954
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: And uh, the other thing I was thinking of, he's

955
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: kind of like a Dick Tracy villain and that sense.

956
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, you've got you've got little face and you've

957
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: got the Wednesday Man and the Wednesday Man you know,

958
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: close for business six out of seven days. Yeah, I

959
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: love it. But anyway, so t O is in trouble

960
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: now because he got there a little bit late. So

961
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 1: the Wednesday Man offers him a way out it's like,

962
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: you owe me a hundred thousand dollars. But TiO is

963
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid's manager, and so the Wednesday Man tells him,

964
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you can arrange a snooker grudge match

965
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 1: between Billy the Kid and Maxwell Randall a k a.

966
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: The Green Bay's Vampire, you're gonna be off the hook.

967
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: I'll let your debts go. And I think the idea

968
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: at this point is that there might be some kind

969
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: of fixed to the match, though the it's not fully

970
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 1: agreed at this point. Oh and he finishes up by saying,

971
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: be sure to make it a Wednesday. Well, the Wednesday

972
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: Man does not seem like a character who plays fair,

973
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: so you just assume that he has some sort of

974
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: scheme in mind, and we of course find out more

975
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: about that as the plot rolls on. Right, So next

976
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,320
Speaker 1: we go to meet the Green Bass Vampire himself, Maxwell

977
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: Randall O b E. And we meet him when he

978
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: is filming a TV commercial. So first we just see

979
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,760
Speaker 1: him like pop up out of a coffin and approach

980
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: the camera, and he's got these big fangs. But then

981
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 1: he shoots himself in the mouth with the breath freshen

982
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: or spray uh and uh. This is the scene I

983
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 1: mentioned earlier that has the closest thing we ever get

984
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: to seeing the sky or outdoors, because there's a fake

985
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: red sky behind the windows in the set um. But

986
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: but yeah, he comes up and then they call cut

987
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, uh, yeah, nice job. Actually not

988
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: a nice job. I think they say average job Maxwell.

989
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: Uh and uh. He's going to come back and shoot

990
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: some more stuff later. But this is when I first

991
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: had the question, like, wait a minute, is he actually

992
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: a vampire or not? I I have questions about the

993
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: the reality of this movie, like what is taken to

994
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 1: be literally fact within the narrative, right, because at this

995
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: point in the film, it's like, Oh, he's not really

996
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: a vampire. This is just his persona and he plays

997
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: it up professionally, and he's definitely playing it up for

998
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: a TV commercial. But we also established early on that

999
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: Maxwell Randall is a jerk and a creep, Like we

1000
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 1: see him trying to get hands e with a makeup artist,

1001
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: So Maxwell not cool, right, But but then we follow

1002
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 1: him home and uh, oh, this is this is where

1003
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: we we get to see that he's not just playing

1004
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:25,479
Speaker 1: up the vampire persona in the outside world. It's also

1005
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 1: very much his his his his home fashion choice as well.

1006
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so he in his house. Uh, this is

1007
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: one of my favorite sets in the movie. In a

1008
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: movie full of great sets, floor to ceiling black marble

1009
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: patterned wallpaper, I mean just awesome red velvet furniture it

1010
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: looks like and a giant framed portrait of Bella Legosy.

1011
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: I was wondering, what is this supposed to be Maxwell Randall?

1012
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 1: But when I got a good look, I'm like, no,

1013
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: that's Bella Legosti's Bella Legos. Yeah, and no windows anywhere

1014
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: nowhere to be seen. Second question about the reality of

1015
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: the supernatural elements is Mrs Randall also supposed to be

1016
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: a vampire because we see that she has sharp teeth

1017
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: as well. I kind of get the impression that yet

1018
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: anyone in his circle could potentially be a vampire. Uh,

1019
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: though we we rarely see any other signs except the

1020
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 1: fact that they never go out in the daylight because

1021
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: daylight doesn't exist in this and none of the kid's

1022
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: go out in the daylight. Yeah, so in in in

1023
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: this scene we get sort of the set up of

1024
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: both the rivalry between the two snooker players and the

1025
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: class war themes. So this is where the snooker journalist

1026
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: MS Sullivan comes in, and so she arrives in Maxwell

1027
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: Randall's house to interview him about the possibility of this

1028
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: grudge match between him and Billy the Kid. Actually, I

1029
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: think she starts off just saying, like, tell me what

1030
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 1: you think about how snooker is going these days? Um

1031
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: and uh. Of course Maxwell hates the very idea of

1032
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: the younger generation of snooker players, and he hates Billy

1033
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: the Kid. Uh. He There are a lot of great

1034
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: quotes here. He says, the men have moved in with

1035
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: their smiles like wet soap and their five hundred pounds suits.

1036
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: Ten years ago, it was still a gentleman's game. Now

1037
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: it's a circus, permed hair, open colors. What does he does?

1038
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: He say, luminous waistcoats. I'm not sure what that means.

1039
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: But then the final straw where he starts to like

1040
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: lose it as he says, cues that unscrew in the middle. Yeah,

1041
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: I had no idea that that was that was considered uncool.

1042
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: I always thought that was kind of cool, right their mobile,

1043
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: You can unscrew him in the middle. But I think

1044
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: that means like a cheaper one. I don't know, Like

1045
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: he's he's really upset that the underclasses are gaining access

1046
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: to snooker. He says that one of the players has

1047
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: green hair. Billy the Kid is the worst of them

1048
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: the worst of them all, and he starts screaming about him,

1049
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: and he gets so mad that he like literally becomes paralyzed,

1050
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: like he can't speak anymore until Sullivan just leaves. It's

1051
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: a great meltdown. Yeah, And so here here we get

1052
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: our themes. The Green Bays Vampire. He wants snooker to

1053
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: remain a dignified game for the upper classes, and Billy

1054
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: the Kid represents everything he hates, un landed riff raff

1055
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: from the street coming into turn his beloved snooker into

1056
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: into an ash tray farce. But so we we've had

1057
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: the journalist visit the Green Bay's vampire at home, and

1058
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: now we apparently are going to visit Billy the Kid

1059
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: at more or less his home, which is super Sonic

1060
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: Sam's Cosmic Cafe. Another unbelievably weird set piece. This one.

1061
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this. This. I guess this is Billy

1062
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: the kids hang out and Rob, how would you describe

1063
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: this place? Um? It is another subterranean realm. It is like, um,

1064
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: it's like the Greek underworld if it were just for

1065
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: playing video games. But video games we never get to see.

1066
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: We just see the illumination of the video games on

1067
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: people's faces. Uh, ghastly illumination via like primitive atari game.

1068
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: And it seems verysmal. But at the same time, Billy

1069
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: and the others are are singing so optimistically about this

1070
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: place that you feel like there's some weird sense of

1071
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: futuristic optimism about like who they are and what technology

1072
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: can do. And I don't know what, you know, where

1073
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: games are taking them. It's it's it's a it's a

1074
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 1: weird juxtaposition. Yeah, they are in this this grizzly green tomb,

1075
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: uh and they're singing like rapturously about how that they

1076
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: have like claimed asteroids for themselves. And yeah, so it's

1077
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: a very joyous song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

1078
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: all it's like ecstasy almost. And and so you reach

1079
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: this place by navigating a maze of underground corridors illuminated

1080
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 1: only by horrible green light, and inside you see all

1081
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: these people. It's like a military formation of Cockney youths

1082
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: playing arcade cabinets, and like you said, we never see

1083
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: the screens, just like the green glow from below. While

1084
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: the video soldiers are of jostling about as they operate

1085
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: the joysticks, but they're all facing the camera again like

1086
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: a like a like a squad formation. And I just

1087
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: love this sequence. It's it's really imaginatively choreographed, even though

1088
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:16,480
Speaker 1: nobody's really dancing. They're all just standing at the cabinets

1089
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: and swaying and jostling, but it looks great and it

1090
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 1: goes great with the song. And the scene ends with

1091
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: the same snooker journalist Miss Sullivan getting some incendiary quotes

1092
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: from Billy the Kid to incite the Green Bay's vampire.

1093
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 1: So she's trying to she's trying to help t O

1094
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,360
Speaker 1: get a rivalry going between them so that they'll do

1095
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: this grudge match. Uh and let's see, I wrote down

1096
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: some of the good things the Billy the Kid says.

1097
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: He says, anyone with a name like Maxwell's got to

1098
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: be a king sized prawn. And then he says, I'm

1099
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: going to give him a terrible turkey. But oh boy,

1100
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: from here, onto the the reaction to the article she

1101
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: prints in the newspaper. Uh. This is probably my favorite

1102
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: scene in the movie. This is the song I Bite Back,

1103
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: which is it starts off with Alan Armstrong getting the

1104
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: newspaper and you hear him screaming throughout his house slander, calumny,

1105
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: character assassination and uh. He's screaming about what's in the

1106
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: article to his wife and she seems just mildly amused.

1107
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: This is where she asks what terrible Turkey means and

1108
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: he starts singing this song called I Bite Back. This

1109
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: is one where it's hard to communicate what this scene

1110
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: is like and how great it is without actually singing

1111
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,680
Speaker 1: the song, which we can really do. But you can

1112
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: find video of this on the internet, I think, so

1113
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: I would suggest looking it up. It's very weird and great. Well.

1114
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: While Maxwell and his wife sing, they are standing in

1115
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,480
Speaker 1: what looks kind of like a combination of a stage,

1116
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: just like a you know, a stage with wooden floorboards,

1117
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: but it also kind of looks like a windowless bank

1118
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: lobby in Gotham City. Yes, very gloomy, but he's filling

1119
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 1: the space with his rage and his voice. Yes, and

1120
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: and the song is all about how he's furious all

1121
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: these things that were said about him in the article

1122
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: are not true, and he goes through like this song

1123
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: is wonderful, insults in the lyrics. He says, I may

1124
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: appear bizarre with my predatory features, but with little boys

1125
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: make noises of defamatory nature. I bite back, And he

1126
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: goes through like the list of allegations as he refutes them.

1127
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: He says he loves the smell of garlic. He uh.

1128
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: He protests that he never bid a Bible salesman, or

1129
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: if he did, it was just for a laugh, And

1130
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: he says, I never had no alligators living in me bath.

1131
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 1: Now I do what that needs? Yeah, or the next one.

1132
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:37,919
Speaker 1: The next one is also confusing. Oh, it's so good,

1133
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: he says. It says here when I die in my

1134
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,880
Speaker 1: meals glow in the dark. I don't quite know what

1135
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: that is, but that's really good, and he's clearly insulted

1136
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: by it. He also uh meant he's There are also

1137
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: a few months in the song where he seems to

1138
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 1: be like alluding to his own humble origins, you know,

1139
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: to say, like, you know, I'm like if he says

1140
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: something about how he when he first started out, he

1141
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 1: didn't even know how to spell t Nsylvania. Yeah, he's

1142
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: that He's ultimately pretty far from this vampire persona that

1143
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: he's He's a he's a human being that's worked hard

1144
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: for what he has and now the upstarts are trying

1145
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: to drag him down. Yes, so he is taking the

1146
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,880
Speaker 1: up eight. This match is on. And in this song

1147
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: we also we learned that that this is where we

1148
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: find out the t O and the the pot stirring

1149
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: snooker journalist Miss Sullivan have conspired to get Billy and

1150
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 1: Maxwell so mad at each other that the match will

1151
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 1: definitely happen. Um, let's see now after this in the movie,

1152
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,160
Speaker 1: there's a long sequence that I guess we don't need

1153
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: to get into because it's mostly just like backstory between

1154
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid and t O. They're talking about how

1155
01:02:40,080 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: they met each other and how t O is going

1156
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: to take Billy the Kid to the top. Um. But uh,

1157
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 1: I suffice to say that this whole section is cowboy

1158
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: themed and it takes place in some kind of windowless

1159
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: subterranean lounge with gold bar lights and rifles on the wall. Yeah,

1160
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 1: they do a little target shooting. Uh, it's it's it's

1161
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: in a resting. Um and I was never sure if

1162
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,360
Speaker 1: this was supposed to be Billy's flat or just a

1163
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: place they hang out, but it's it's it's it's their

1164
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: home turf at any rate, it's like the Cowboy hangout.

1165
01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: Now we should go to one of my favorite scenes

1166
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 1: in the whole movie. Actually, I don't know it's this

1167
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: might be my favorite scene in the whole movie. It's, uh,

1168
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: the one with Maxwell's father under the supertable in his house. Yes, this,

1169
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: I must have rewatched this scene scene about five times.

1170
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: It is I think the strangest scene and what it's

1171
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: ultimately a very strange movie. Um So t O goes

1172
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: to Maxwell's house, which we've already seen parts of, to

1173
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: meet with him and propose this match between Maxwell and Billy. Um. So,

1174
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, we already know that Maxwell's house is gloriously

1175
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: dark and decorated with portraits of Dracula, but in this scene,

1176
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 1: it becomes a parent that Maxwell's father, who were told

1177
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: is the greatest snooker player to ever live, is himself

1178
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 1: an actual vampire, like a nos Faratu ask vampire, and

1179
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: he is. Perhaps it's hard to figure out exactly what

1180
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be. He seems to be entombed

1181
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 1: within a glass casket that's topped with a black granite

1182
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: snooker table, which Randall sr Again. The entombed vampire uses

1183
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: to communicate from beyond the grave by like psychically sinking

1184
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: balls on the table. Yes, he's like from beyond He's like,

1185
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: it's like an Norwegia board, but in the form of

1186
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: a snooker table, except without any bayze on it. It's

1187
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: like a stone top sneap table. It is a it

1188
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: is an alarmingly strange scene and it's played very serious,

1189
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: especially by by Armstrong. Uh. He really brings a uh

1190
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: dramatic energy to this scene where you like, he's very

1191
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: serious about about asking his father if this is a

1192
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: match that he should agree to. And then the balls

1193
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: move on their own and it's it's so shocking that

1194
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: Teo faints. Yes, it's oh, it's it's so good. Now

1195
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: what he proposes in this scene, what what the vampire does?

1196
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: He says so that um, whoever loses the match between

1197
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: Billy and Randall will agree to never play professional snooker again. Yes,

1198
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: and and he's like, what do you think of that? Father?

1199
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: And then the ball just like shoots across the table

1200
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: and sinks, Oh, it's so good. This is such a

1201
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: weird scene. I loved it so much. Now, of course

1202
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: we get some more scenes with TiO and the Wednesday Man.

1203
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 1: The Wednesday Man loves this. T o tries to resist

1204
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,120
Speaker 1: because he's like, you know, Billy's young. What if he loses,

1205
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: he won't be able to place Anco again. We can't

1206
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: do it, but I think the Wednesday Man kind of

1207
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,240
Speaker 1: pressures him into it somehow. He's like, oh, the wily

1208
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: old sheriff versus the brash young gunslinger. It has poetic overtones.

1209
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: He says, uh, And then it's implied that he's going

1210
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: to fix the match somehow by making sure that Maxwell,

1211
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: the Green Bays Vampire will not be at his best.

1212
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 1: But he doesn't explain what he's going to do there, right,

1213
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: It either comes out here or it comes out later

1214
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: that the Wednesday Man has money on the kid, so

1215
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: it seems that, okay, well, you know he's he's gonna

1216
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna show fix it. He's gonna make sure that

1217
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: the kid is victorious against all the odds because that's

1218
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: how he's gonna make so much bank. And here we

1219
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 1: get a lot of jungle. Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yes,

1220
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 1: a lot of green, a lot of jungle. But from

1221
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: here we go on to a practice montage that's like

1222
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: a song where they're going practice, practice, practice, and uh

1223
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: and miss Sullivan sings Billy the Kid in the Green

1224
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: Bays Vampire and uh, I really enjoyed this because it's

1225
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: showing like Maxwell practicing again in the Gotham Bank Lobby

1226
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: and Billy is in Supersonic Sam's Arcade from Hell and

1227
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: they're getting ready for the big match. Oh and then

1228
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: we see Maxwell and Mrs Randall riding to the game

1229
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: again through a bank of green fog on motorcycle and sidecar.

1230
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 1: She's driving the motorcycle and he's like, you know, three

1231
01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: ft down below from her, sitting with a scar fawn

1232
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: in the side car. Yeah, so many little touches like this,

1233
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,320
Speaker 1: like they made the exactly the right choice, like if

1234
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: they if there was the other way around, it would

1235
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 1: not be as as memorable. So that this was wonderful.

1236
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: And from here, it just from here it turns into

1237
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: the game. Basically, you know, every sports movie has to

1238
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: end with the big showdown, the big game for for

1239
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,920
Speaker 1: the ultimate Championship, and that is what happens here though,

1240
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: of course, with plenty of musical interludes and supernatural accents. Yes, yeah,

1241
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: we have that big number um about about Snooker. Uh,

1242
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: this is the one where he's like, ahhh, Snooker, what's

1243
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: the world in a frame like it's just uh, it's

1244
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 1: like the enthusiasm for and then and of course we

1245
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: have people in the audience from both sides, representing both

1246
01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: competing sides of society, and you know, they're either you know,

1247
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: they're cheering on their man, but everyone is in agreeance

1248
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:57,000
Speaker 1: that Snooker is great. Yes, and they each, like you said,

1249
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: they each bring their own audiences, so they're rooting for

1250
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: Billy Kid is a is a gaggle of disaffected, working

1251
01:08:04,200 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: class youth from Supersonic Sam's Cosmic Cafe. And then on

1252
01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:10,760
Speaker 1: the other side, rooting for the Green Bay's Vampire are

1253
01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:14,200
Speaker 1: a bunch of upper class blue bloods and their fur

1254
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: coats and things. So they each have their entrances. You know,

1255
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 1: it's very grandiose, so a little bit professional wrestling perhaps,

1256
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,599
Speaker 1: But once the theatrics are out of the way, once

1257
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: everybody's had their sort of pro wrestling esque introduction, is

1258
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: time to get down to those seventeen frames that will

1259
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: decide the fate of our hero and our villain. Well,

1260
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: now here, I guess we got to explain maximum break. Yes,

1261
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: so this is not something I knew about going in.

1262
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: But basically, uh, somebody has to break in a in

1263
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: a in a cue game, you know, they have to

1264
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 1: hit the cue ball and sort of break up the

1265
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: massive balls and get things moving. Um. But here's something

1266
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,519
Speaker 1: that can happen in in snooker. Uh, if you start

1267
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: sinking balls pretty much right away, and you keep sinking balls,

1268
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,719
Speaker 1: the person who does who breaks who against the game

1269
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,519
Speaker 1: can finish the entire game scoring all the points without

1270
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: the other player ever actually approaching the table, right, And

1271
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: I think the amount of points you can possibly get

1272
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 1: is variable depending on like what order you sink things in.

1273
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: Because again they were doing that thing where every time

1274
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: he sunk a red ball, they pulled the black ball

1275
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 1: back out and he could sink that again. I think,

1276
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: I think that's right. Snooker players, you you right in

1277
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: you on the details here. It doesn't really matter, it

1278
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. But yes, the Green Bays Vampire just

1279
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: runs the entire game and Billy never gets to touch

1280
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: the touch the balls, right. Yeah, this is what's called

1281
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:42,639
Speaker 1: a maximum break. Um. It's it's like the highest break possible.

1282
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 1: It's a flawless victory. And I was reading about this.

1283
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 1: It's pretty fascinating. During the nineties, these were apparently far

1284
01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 1: less common, something like only eight maximum breaks occurred in

1285
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: professional play that entire decade. I don't think that the

1286
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: actual snooker Dracula ever scored a maximum break in professional play. Uh,

1287
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: but it's it's become more common, as you know, as

1288
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: often happened in recent years, as in recent decades. Uh.

1289
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: And this this happens with other games as well, Like

1290
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 1: the players just get better and better. And so nowadays,

1291
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,719
Speaker 1: if you look at the scores and the rankings of

1292
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: of of professional snooker players, you'll find, uh, you know,

1293
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:27,400
Speaker 1: at least one maximum break in there often multiple maximum breaks,

1294
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: sometimes a maximum break achieved at a very young age. Yeah.

1295
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: We were looking at who's actually like on top of

1296
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: the snooker leaderboards in recent years, and uh, there's there's

1297
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Speaker 1: a guy named Neil Robertson who I think was the

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01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: most recent winner in twenty nineteen of the Snooker China Open.

1299
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 1: And we were wondering Okay, is he this generation's Billy

1300
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: the Kid. I don't know, but he, uh, Rob, I

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01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,639
Speaker 1: think you looked this up and found that he's had

1302
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: at least four maximum breaks. Yeah, yeah, and and again

1303
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,959
Speaker 1: night During the nineteen eighties there were only eight maximum

1304
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:04,519
Speaker 1: breaks overall. So the the idea that Maxwell's coming into

1305
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 1: this game and scoring a maximum break on the first frame,

1306
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it is in indeed nothing short of supernatural

1307
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: vocation for the game. He is just completely destroying our hero.

1308
01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:19,440
Speaker 1: And I have to say it works so wonderfully cinematically

1309
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: because they they just cut to each sinking of the ball,

1310
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: so you have this rhythm down of the of the

1311
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: que striking the ball, the ball, striking the ball and pocketing.

1312
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 1: Uh and they just this wonderful, like just rhythm of

1313
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: relentless victory. But then something else also happens. So not

1314
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: only is Maxwell playing well like he's he's just getting

1315
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: these flawless victories one after another. He also, I think

1316
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: I understood a little bit less what was happening here.

1317
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: It's implied that he uses his vampire powers to hypnotize

1318
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,479
Speaker 1: Billy the Kid, so that when Billy the Kid actually

1319
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 1: does have a chance to play he doesn't see any

1320
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: balls on the table. I was unsure about this as well,

1321
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: because we also have like a wake up in the

1322
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: back room where they're like, wake up, you know you're behind.

1323
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: You got to get back out there. So I don't

1324
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: know if this is kind of like a mental dream

1325
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,599
Speaker 1: sequence where he's just sparing that he's so far behind,

1326
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: and there's this idea like there's this whole bit where

1327
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: he's like, where are the balls? I don't have any

1328
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: balls to play the game with, Like they've all been sunk.

1329
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: And you know, this is probably one of the more

1330
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 1: heavy heavy handed moments of social commentary in the picture,

1331
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know that how are the kids

1332
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: supposed to achieve anything? You have of all the balls

1333
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 1: are being sunk by the upper class and by the

1334
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: older members of society. You know, it's it's is it

1335
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: any wonder that they're they're having to cower around the

1336
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 1: you know, the dismal light of their video games because

1337
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: what else has have you supplied them in this world? Right?

1338
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't even get a chance to play, Like I

1339
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: can't even yeah, um and uh. And there's also some

1340
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: some of the class war stuff between the audiences because

1341
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,240
Speaker 1: like the disaffected working class youth and the and the

1342
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: blue bloods like sing at each other song where they

1343
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: keep going quack quack quack. I don't think I fully

1344
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: understood what all that was, but it was amusing. Um.

1345
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: And and then of course we get the standard UH

1346
01:13:09,439 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: sports movie arc right, because there's a dark Knight of

1347
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 1: the soul Billy. The kid is like as far down

1348
01:13:14,720 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: as he can possibly be. If he screws up one

1349
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: more time, the entire thing has gone. At the Green

1350
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,920
Speaker 1: Bays Vampires won eight frames out of seventeen, um. But

1351
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: then he starts to mount to come back, and Rosol

1352
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: builds up to a to a fantastic ending. Yes, I

1353
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: love everything about this ending. So yeah, Maxwell has already

1354
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: busted out some what seemed like mild psychic snooker powers

1355
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,120
Speaker 1: during one of the musical numbers, so we're not sure

1356
01:13:42,120 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 1: if we're supposed to take those literally or not, you know,

1357
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: but basically, you know, the kid has mounted a full comeback. Uh.

1358
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 1: And finally we're down to the very last ball, and

1359
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: if the kid pockets this ball then he actually wins,

1360
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: then you know he will be victorious. And so h

1361
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 1: Maxwell's watching on uh Billy uh hits the ball and

1362
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,879
Speaker 1: right is it's about to go into the pocket. Um,

1363
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: Maxwell's eyes glow like this this ghostly white color with

1364
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: maybe a hint of purple, and he reaches out and

1365
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: he psychically freezes the ball above the hole, keeping it

1366
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 1: from being sunk. And I was like, is this is

1367
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: this in line with snooker rules or not? Is this addressed? No,

1368
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:27,879
Speaker 1: it's not addressed. But he's he's using his vampire powers

1369
01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: to prevent it from happening, to prevent the victory from

1370
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: taking place. So what does Billy the Kid do? He

1371
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:37,000
Speaker 1: pulls out his six shooter, aims at first at at Maxwell,

1372
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: at at our green Bay's vampire, but then points it

1373
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: at the ball. The psychically held ball, shoots the ball,

1374
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: which pockets it, pockets the ball, and then he wins

1375
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:49,200
Speaker 1: the whole thing, and we get this one last shot

1376
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:54,600
Speaker 1: of Maxwell the green Bay's vampire eyes glowing, face scowling.

1377
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 1: It's pretty great. I guess you did have alligators living

1378
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: in your bath after all? Yeah, I mean it it again.

1379
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: You're you're left with a lot of questions about about

1380
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 1: this movie. I mean, it's a it's a movie that's

1381
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: existing in its own reality. I guess, but but is

1382
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,799
Speaker 1: is trying to to say some serious things about about

1383
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: the real world as well. Well, that's it. Billy the

1384
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: Kid in the Green Bay's Vampire again, I will stress

1385
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: officially one of the weirdest movies we have ever watched

1386
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 1: for the show. Yeah, I think our second musical, our

1387
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 1: first sports movie, and I have to say, I think

1388
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite musical films. Now you know,

1389
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,519
Speaker 1: I'm I'm putting it on the list. It's it doesn't

1390
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: take the place of Rocky Horror in my heart, but

1391
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: it's it's up there. It's got to be top five.

1392
01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 1: I've never tried to make a ranks list, so I

1393
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,720
Speaker 1: don't know where it would go. But I did very

1394
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: much enjoy it. I've actually really liked both of the

1395
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 1: musical as we watched for this show. This ship of

1396
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: Monsters are are are both absolutely delightful. I think one

1397
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: of the things is is it if you have characters

1398
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: singing on the screen, singing their lines and using music

1399
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: to to relate their uh, you know, their internal experience,

1400
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 1: then um, you know you're already in kind of a

1401
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: weird place. You're already in a place of unreality. So

1402
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: you can do so many other things and get away

1403
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,200
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, you can have ridiculous monsters. You can

1404
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: have um strange vampire powers that are not you know,

1405
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 1: fully explained or understood. What a coincidence? Do you recall

1406
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:34,480
Speaker 1: now that ship of Monsters also had late arc revelations

1407
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 1: of vampire powers. Yeah, we didn't know at the beginning

1408
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: what was going on. Vampire powers revealed after the halfway point. Man,

1409
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 1: I guess I mostly like um vampire themed or vampire

1410
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: esque musical, So that's that's my my area of interest.

1411
01:16:51,880 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 1: All right, Well we're gonna go ahead and call this

1412
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: one again. The film is Billy the Kid in the

1413
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: Green Bay's Vampire. Seems to be available anywhere you buy

1414
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: or digital movies. It's on to be so you can

1415
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: watch it there if two bees your thing. There's a

1416
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 1: DVD of the film, but I don't believe it's been

1417
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,280
Speaker 1: released on Blu Ray at least not yet, and again

1418
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 1: sadly no soundtrack releases. This is one where I would

1419
01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: like to see some interviews about like how this happened

1420
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: and what the production was like. Yeah, because I mean

1421
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: they it's it's snooker, Like, how many of these guys like,

1422
01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: we're super snooker fans. Did they have to train? They

1423
01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: had snooker advisors on the on the set, on the

1424
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, they were part of the crew. So I

1425
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: just wonder how all of this came together. Uh, such

1426
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: a strange film. It doesn't look like they're using snooker

1427
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: stunt doubles. It looks like the actors are actually shooting

1428
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 1: the shots. Yeah, and so I would be this is

1429
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:46,480
Speaker 1: again where I'd love to hear from actual snooker enthusiasts

1430
01:17:46,479 --> 01:17:48,640
Speaker 1: out there, like, uh, you know, how do how do

1431
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: the actors look in this? Do they look like they

1432
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,360
Speaker 1: knew what they were doing. I always love to ask

1433
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: my my wife about this regarding actors riding horses, because

1434
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm kind of blind to it, and I'll ask, this,

1435
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: is Sky really know how to ride a horse? Does

1436
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: she really know how to ride a horse? And my

1437
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:05,120
Speaker 1: wife would be like, oh, yeah, yeah, this this person

1438
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: has written before, this person really took some lessons for this,

1439
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: or oh boy, they just stuck that person on a

1440
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 1: horse and hope for the best. But in this, I mean,

1441
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: to my eye, like Alan Armstrong looks, you know, very

1442
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: intimidating when he is he's making it shots. That's it's

1443
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: I buy it completely. I don't know if you have

1444
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: the experts out there would feel the same. Maybe that

1445
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 1: took the place of the singing audition. They just do

1446
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 1: a little snooker tryout. Oh that reminds me of one

1447
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 1: little bit that I read from an interview with Alan

1448
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: Armstrong where he um he said that author Miller that

1449
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: the playwright cast him in a play once without seeing

1450
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: him act first, just having some drinks with him and

1451
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:49,639
Speaker 1: telling him that no, he didn't need to see him act.

1452
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 1: He knew he would be good because he quote had

1453
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,160
Speaker 1: a peasant's face, and he was that he was sick

1454
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,559
Speaker 1: of casting actors with like I guess like movie star

1455
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: good looks. Oh he's playing against tie been this one. Yeah, anyway,

1456
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: great performances all around. Yeah. I loved this one, so

1457
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,599
Speaker 1: I yeah, I recommend it to anyone out there who's

1458
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 1: who's it all? Interested in snooker, vampires or musicals? There

1459
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 1: subterranean life, Yes, all right, as usual. If you want

1460
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: to check out other episodes of Weird House Cinema comes

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01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: out every Friday in the Stuff to Blow Your Mind

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Speaker 1: podcast feed. We're primarily a science podcast, but on Friday's

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Speaker 1: we Set Aside. Set aside most serious matters and just

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Speaker 1: discuss a weird film. Huge thanks as always to our

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Speaker 1: excellent audio producer Seth Nicholas Johnson. If you would like

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Speaker 1: to get in touch with us with feedback on this

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Speaker 1: or just to say hello, you can email us at

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Speaker 1: contact at Stuff to Blow Your Mind dot com. Stuff

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