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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, friends, Normy's countryman. Here we are on normally

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Speaker 1: the show with normalist takes for when the news gets weird.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mary cather Ham and I am Carol Markowitz.

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Speaker 2: I'm Mary Catherine. How is the blizzard going?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: You know what, it's not just a blizzard at our house.

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Speaker 1: It was a blizzard plus norovirus. So we're great. I'm recovering.

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Speaker 1: Everything's fine.

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Speaker 2: The worst you can't even enjoy that. Can't you enjoy

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Speaker 2: the day off?

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Speaker 1: Worst snow days ever?

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Speaker 4: But terrible.

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Speaker 1: We're recovering.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday Mark Zuckerberg released a video saying that Facebook

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Speaker 2: would no longer be participating in censorship, which was odd

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Speaker 2: because he had previously denied that Facebook was participating in censorship.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I don't give him too much credit,

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Speaker 2: but it absolutely to keep using the phrase we've been

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Speaker 2: using a vibe shift, it is then absolute vibe shift

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Speaker 2: that Mark's Uckerberg released this video, and we're going to

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Speaker 2: play a clip from it. I wanted to even play

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Speaker 2: the whole thing, but maybe that's too much. But here's

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Speaker 2: a clip from it where he talks about some of

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Speaker 2: the changes that Facebook will be making.

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Speaker 5: But the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes.

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Speaker 5: Even if they accidentally censored just one percent of posts,

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Speaker 5: that's millions of people, and we've reached a point where

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Speaker 5: it's just too many mistakes and too much censorship. The

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Speaker 5: recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards

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Speaker 5: once again prioritizing speech. So we're going to get back

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Speaker 5: to our roots and focus on reducing mistakes, simplifying our policies,

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Speaker 5: and restoring free expression on our platforms. More specifically, here's

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Speaker 5: what we're going to do. First, we're going to get

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Speaker 5: rid of fact checkers and replace them with community notes

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Speaker 5: similar to X. Starting in the US, after Trump first

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Speaker 5: got elected in twenty sixteen, the legacy media wrote NonStop

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Speaker 5: about how misinformation was a threat to democracy. We tried

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Speaker 5: in good faith to a rest those concerns without becoming

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Speaker 5: the arbiters of truth, but the fact checkers have just

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Speaker 5: been too politically biased and have destroyed more trust than

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Speaker 5: they've created, especially in the US. So over the next

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Speaker 5: couple of months, we're going to phase in a more

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Speaker 5: comprehensive community notes system. Second, we're going to simplify our

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Speaker 5: content policies and get rid of a bunch of restrictions

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Speaker 5: on topics like immigration and gender that are just out

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Speaker 5: of touch with mainstream discourse. What started as a movement

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Speaker 5: to be more inclusive has increasingly been used to shut

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Speaker 5: down opinions and shut out people with different ideas, and

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Speaker 5: it's gone too far. So I want to make sure

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Speaker 5: that people can share their beliefs and experiences on our platforms.

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Speaker 2: Legacy media, gender issues. It's a whole new world over

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Speaker 2: there at the Facebook, really, I mean, a different kind

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Speaker 2: of tone, different commentary. I even though a lot of

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Speaker 2: things are shifting, this was still somewhat surprising to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so lot of people are very cynical about Zuckerberg

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Speaker 1: and his motivations here. And look, obviously part of this

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Speaker 1: is that if you endear yourself to an incoming administration,

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Speaker 1: there's less chance that that administration is going to take

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Speaker 1: out whatever I or it might have on you and

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Speaker 1: use whatever levers of power against you. That's, by the way,

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Speaker 1: an argument for not having the federal government in charge

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Speaker 1: of so many things.

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Speaker 2: But you'd think, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting to me is that people who even if

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Speaker 1: you're cynical about Zuckerberg's motivations here, it is an unqualified

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Speaker 1: good that the best way to suck up to Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump is less censorship. For sure, He's not arguing that

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Speaker 1: he will censor the other way. He's saying, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be more hands off to me. Like clearly, the

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Speaker 1: way to do it in the Biden administration was to

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Speaker 1: censor a lot more and to work hand in hand

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Speaker 1: with the government, which Zuckerberg himself even admitted they were

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Speaker 1: doing in front of Congress in August of twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: when like when the rubber finally hit the road, he

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Speaker 1: it's you can be excited about it, whatever you think

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Speaker 1: his motivations are. I tend to think that his gut

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Speaker 1: is decent on free speech. For this reason he keeps,

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Speaker 1: the buzzsaw of content moderation, which then during the twenty

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Speaker 1: If you look back at his twenty nineteen Georgetown speech

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Speaker 1: see the vision that he's talking about. And one of

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Speaker 1: the things that encourages me on that front. Do you

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Speaker 1: know what it is, Carol? What is it? I think

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Speaker 1: he's based now, and I think he's based because he's

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Speaker 1: been doing MMA training for three years.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people mentioned that, they were like, he's

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Speaker 1: Yes, the Brazilian jiu Jitsu to based pypeline is a

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Speaker 2: It's right there.

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Speaker 1: He just asked Dana White, head of the UFC, to

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Speaker 1: join the meta board. So like, this is all I did.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's more committed to this than he has been

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Speaker 1: in the past, That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Right, And look, I understand the skepticism. The CEOs of

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Speaker 2: Telegram and Rumble gave him a little side eye, which

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Speaker 2: is understandable. Pavel d'uov, CEO of Telegram, tweeted, I'm proud

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Speaker 2: that Telegram has supported freedom of speech long before it

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Speaker 2: became politically safe. To do so. Our values don't depend

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Speaker 2: on us electoral psychos. Today, other platforms are announcing they'll

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Speaker 2: now have less censorship, but the real test of their

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Speaker 2: newly discovered values will come once the political wins change again.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to say you support something when you risk nothing,

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Speaker 2: fair enough. And then the CEO of Rumble retweeted that,

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Speaker 2: Chris Povlovski, and he said, well, said Rumble and Telegram

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Speaker 2: were the only ones to defend free speech when it

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Speaker 2: was extremely difficult to do so. It's easy to say

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Speaker 2: you support something when you risk nothing. He drove again, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean I get that, and look, there's a lot

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Speaker 2: was quite amazing that Zuckerberg put this out said don't

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Speaker 2: just doing what best for his bottom line. I get that,

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Speaker 2: and I'm very much I hold grudges.

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Speaker 1: I do.

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Speaker 2: I'm imperfect, but I also don't want to not take

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Speaker 2: the wins. We have to be able to take the victories,

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Speaker 2: and this was a small victory.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. You know what was interesting

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Speaker 1: that it had cut against conservatives, which is something we

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Speaker 1: all know, but nice to have it said for shil Loud.

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Speaker 1: He slams the institutional fact checkers, which I think is good.

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Speaker 1: I think the community notes experiment at X has been successful.

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Speaker 1: It is what it is is a conversation between Americans

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Speaker 1: sussing out what's right and what's correct and what is incorrect.

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Speaker 1: Like that's the nature of it, instead of having this

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Speaker 1: then tell you what's right and what's wrong, and it

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Speaker 1: turns out their motivations are not about the truth at all.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that he sees that clearly is helpful.

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Speaker 1: The other thing he mentioned is that America is unique

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Speaker 1: in its commitment to free speech, and that in order

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Speaker 1: And I thought that was very interesting considering the crackdowns

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Speaker 1: better parts of the world. For free speech. That's the

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Speaker 1: idea that he's thinking more broadly than that is also

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, the fact that he specifically calls out the

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Speaker 2: It's again, it's impressive. Yes it's a little late. Yes

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Speaker 2: I wish he had done it sooner. Yes I wish

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Speaker 2: he had been braver. But again, take the small wins

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Speaker 2: where we get them, apply pressure to continue this kind

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Speaker 2: I have maybe talked about this before, but everyone has

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Speaker 2: a bias, everyone has a leaning. Like, let's stop pretending

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Speaker 2: there's only conservatives that have a bias and liberals are

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Speaker 2: able to kind of, you know, be fair about all

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Speaker 2: of this. All of these fact checking organizations are on

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Speaker 2: the left, and they all have a real bias, and

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Speaker 2: a lot of them are activists. So this idea that

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Speaker 2: it's ridiculous. And what X is doing correctly, like you said,

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Speaker 2: it's also things get voted up and down, and just

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Speaker 2: because the crowd said something doesn't mean it's going to

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Speaker 1: Way, right, No, it's it's all. It's all very interesting,

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Speaker 1: Like the proof will be in the pudding as we

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Speaker 1: think it's just a that's a clear way. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: all these guys are going to be imperfect in their

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Speaker 1: defensive free speech. With Elon last week, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: you if you're not nice, right, Like, don't that's not

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Speaker 1: the vision either. In the case of Trump, You've got

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Speaker 1: for putting out a pole that was wrong, right, how.

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Speaker 2: She ruined her own reputation? Like what else do you

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Speaker 1: Yes, like, let's not fire. By the way, is defending

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Speaker 1: her in that suit, which I think is the right

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Speaker 1: the right take. That's a nonprofit that does free speech work.

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Speaker 1: So they're going to be imperfect. But I contend that

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Speaker 1: it is a vast improvement to have large corporations look

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Speaker 1: at the incoming administration and say, huh, the way to

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Speaker 1: get on their good side, is to do less oppression

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Speaker 1: of American state.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right right, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: For that that.

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Speaker 2: I like all of that also, and I support it,

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Speaker 2: and I think we should. We'll be right back on normally.

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Speaker 2: So there's some scary images and videos coming out of California.

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Speaker 2: The Pacific Palisades are suffering this enormous fire. It's just

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Speaker 2: really two dead or so far one hundred mile per

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Speaker 2: hour hurricane force wins. But the stories coming out are

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Speaker 2: just of plain old incompetence, and it's shocking how bad

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Speaker 2: things have gotten there and how it is so not

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Speaker 2: a story. You know, I tweeted this, but imagine this

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Speaker 2: was happening in Florida. Governor DeSantis would be blamed for

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Speaker 2: all of it. I'm kind of afraid Governor DeSantis is

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Speaker 2: gonna be blamed for this anyway, probably in Candoria, right

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Speaker 2: somehow his fault that they don't have water in the hydrants,

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Speaker 2: which I can't quite get to the bottom of why

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Speaker 2: that is. There was this clip of Rick Caruso, who

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Speaker 2: was on Fox talking about the buyers. Let's roll that.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knew these winds were coming. The other question has

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Speaker 2: Gonna be a very good question. Are they going to

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm sure this will get more devastating as

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Speaker 1: All right, shall we move to Hill news? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: Riley Act like it's really common sense. And I'd like

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would be it really incredible, right. I

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Speaker 1: It's a real, real problem.

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Speaker 2: And now I think he's like the best Democrat in

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Speaker 1: No, he's he's the embodiment of take the win right

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Speaker 1: not doing the border, which seems like a basic anyway,

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Speaker 1: once you've failed there, if you can't admit and then

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Speaker 1: make it happen that criminals can be sent home, what

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Speaker 1: are you here for?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: What are we even doing here?

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Speaker 1: It's just basic stuff. And he knows that, and I

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Speaker 1: appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he actually hasn't changed that much. I

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Speaker 2: really sometimes wish I could find that old interview because

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Speaker 2: maybe that was what the progressive left was like, where

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Speaker 2: they you know, protected the lives of Americans and they

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Speaker 2: were quite America first, and all of this kind of

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Speaker 2: stuff like pro Israel, Like the Left used to be

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Speaker 2: pro Israel. Now they're you know, absolutely not. Plus he's smart,

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Speaker 2: and he was even back then very independent, and so

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Speaker 2: I think that he's he's great. I mean, I you know,

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Speaker 2: I can bold him for some of his policy ideas,

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Speaker 2: but in general, yeah, take the win.

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Speaker 1: By the way, maya culpa. I was wrong about him

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Speaker 1: during the election, not that I would have preferred him

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Speaker 1: necessarily over Oz in the end, but he was wrong

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Speaker 1: to lie about his condition. But I was wrong about

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Speaker 1: how he would end up being a senator, right, And

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Speaker 1: I've been impressed.

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Speaker 2: Same, same on all of that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I

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Speaker 2: you know, senator betterman who knew?

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Speaker 3: Really?

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