1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford. He is the one and only 3 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: West Hodkowits were coming to you here from our studios 4 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: at lambeau Field West. I said on yesterday's show we 5 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: would get to kind of the injury rundown here for 6 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: the Packers. Uh, some injuries that were talked about going 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: into the Vikings game, and unfortunately more injuries coming out 8 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: of the Vikings game. As far as what happened in Minneapolis, 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: we saw two offensive lineman David Batry Lane Taylor both 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: leave with injuries. Safety Kenroll Bryce, who has been in 11 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: and out of the lineup all season long dealing with 12 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: one thing or another, but he left the game with 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: a couple of concerns. Trevor Davis his hamstring, which had 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 1: been the problem in reason he was on I R 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season, that flared up on 16 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: him again. And I'm trying to think if I'm forgetting 17 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: somebody else from Davis, M Taylor and Box tr think 18 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: that that might be it from the from the actual game, 19 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: No real definitive upgradads, that's right, st Brown. He left 20 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: the game, but then came back in as well, a 21 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: forearm type of injury for him. Um. But with regards 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: to David box Tr, Mike McCarthy said, he's dealing with 23 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: a couple of things. Didn't get all that specific there, 24 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: but Packers dealing with some shuffling on the offensive line 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: up front, and quite frankly, the way things went on 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: Sunday night, it seemed the Minnesota Vikings took advantage of 27 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: kind of the shuffling, the uncertainty, and maybe some cold 28 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: guys coming in off the bench. Yeah, it's a tough 29 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: spot to be in, and I have I just have 30 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: a ton of respect for box Tr and Brian Bulog 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: the fact that they've been able to start every game 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: this year. Polaga especially coming off of the ACE the 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: l injury, and then he's dealt with his knicks and 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: bruises throughout the course of this season. Bactr has been 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: on the injury report already the last few weeks, goes 36 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: out of the game with what was listed as a 37 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: knee injury, comes back for one series and then leaves again. Um. Yeah, 38 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: so that's where you had. Jason Spriggs came in at 39 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 1: left tackle. Justin McCrae who's been down the last couple 40 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: of weeks, probably over a month now. Well, he was 41 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: over at right guard for a second when Byron Bell's 42 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: shoe came off, and then on that one of those plays, 43 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: Lane Taylor gets hurt with the quad injury and he 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: has to move over the left guard. For my money, 45 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: and I know you dissect the film a little bit 46 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: better than I do. I actually thought McCrae looked, okay, 47 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: look look fine coming back in. But I think one 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: of the issues was the Vikings end up throwing a 49 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: multitude of stunts at them down the stretch. You're you 50 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: don't really have that camaraderie that you probably usually have 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: between two of those offensive linemen, the inside guys, so 52 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: they were able to get home a couple of times, 53 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. I mean, I thought it 54 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: was no accident that as soon as both the left 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: guard and the left tackle for the Packers, the starters 56 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: were out of the game that suddenly we see the 57 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: stunt from the Vikings on that side and they get 58 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: a third down sack. I mean, you know it's it's 59 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: it's smart on the Vikings part, you know, and this 60 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: is a a defensive front, a pass rush that gets 61 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: a lot done against the best players in the league. 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: And then they pulled something out of their back pocket 63 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: when the backups came in the game, and they took 64 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: advantage of it and really just prevented that Minnesota pass 65 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: rushes what prevented the Packers from regaining any kind of 66 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: momentum in the second half. Yeah, and it's just that 67 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: they had a perfect marriage there between their pressure packages, 68 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: what they were trying to do in that regard, and 69 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: then what their coverage units were able to do, not 70 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: being able to, uh, you know, give up holes. You know, 71 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, you know, Aaron Rodgers, 72 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: we get these things about well, you know, he holds 73 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: onto the ball too long. I don't know if that 74 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily the case. In the second half. It was 75 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: trying to find the open receiver, and with Xavier Rhodes 76 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: up until his injury, shadowing Davante Adams and then throwing 77 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: him extra attention. It's on the us the guys to 78 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: be able to find some openings in The Packers just 79 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: weren't able to consistently enough to do it. Um. But yeah, 80 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: the injury wise, you look at the box tr and Bolaga. 81 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: I think both of those guys working through what they've 82 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: worked through the course of the season. We'll have to 83 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: see where things are with Lane Taylor. Certainly, you have 84 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: Jason Spriggs and Justin McCrae have played. You know, mccra's 85 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: played every position on the offensive line, so there's there's 86 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: depth there. Bolaga felt strongly about that depth. If they 87 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: need to go that road or however this shakes out. Defensively, though, 88 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: I think it's going to be an interesting thing seeing 89 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: where they stand. Kentroll Bryce tried to play through the 90 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: ankle injury. He actually ends up coming back into the 91 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: game and then took a big hit. Took a big hit. 92 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if it was ever made clear whether 93 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: or not he was diagnosed with a concussion. Yeah, he 94 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: was being evaluated, but we didn't hear any anything definitive 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: one way or the other. We'll find out on the 96 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: practice field Wednesday if he's out there able to practice, 97 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: or how he's listed on the injury report. But that 98 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: the domino effect with that secondary, just with that one 99 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: guy going out twice. You know, you saw Ebra Campbell 100 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: had to come in and play deep safety. Traumont Williams 101 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: was rotating everywhere depending on what package they were in. 102 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: That Yeah, and we were talking going into the game. 103 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 1: You know, both Bashad Brelan Kevin King were guys who 104 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: were listening as questionable. They were holding out some hope 105 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: that they might be able to play, but then they couldn't. 106 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,239 Speaker 1: Will see what the status is with those two going forward. 107 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: Obviously it would be big for the secondary to get 108 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: them back, but there are already a lot of moving 109 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: parts in the secondary and then those kinds of those 110 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: kinds of things happen, and you know, let's face it, West, 111 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: we're seeing some of the impact of that. And I 112 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 1: don't mean to pick on Tremont Williams here because he's 113 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: one of the most respected guys that I've ever covered. 114 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: I hold him in very high esteem. But this is 115 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: a guy who's been bouncing back and forth between corner 116 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 1: and safety and then he ends up going back to 117 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: return punts again for Trevor Davis. When Trevor Davis goes 118 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: out and what do we see, Well, on one play 119 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: on kind of a pick play, uh in coverage, he 120 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: gets his feet tangled up and falls down and it's 121 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: a third yard touchdown. An easy throw and catch to 122 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Stefon Diggs and then after not doing the punt, returns 123 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: for a couple of games or whatever it is. He 124 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: goes back there and he makes a mistake in the 125 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: fourth quarter, you know, misjudges, a ball doesn't get out 126 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: of the way, ends up being a turnover for the Packers. 127 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: So um, And like I said, I don't mean to 128 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: pick on Tremont Williams, but these are the things that 129 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: can happen when you're you're constantly shuffling within a particular 130 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: game with regards to injuries, just because practice, reps and 131 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: everything else are are limited in certain spots. And unfortunately, 132 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's the name of the game. Nobody's gonna 133 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: send the Packers any sympathy cards. It's how the NFL 134 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: game is. Every team has to work through it at 135 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: one time or another. But some games it just affects 136 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: you more than others. Yeah, and I I you know, 137 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: you look at Tremont Williams. I have, as you mentioned, 138 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: a lot of respect for him and he and he's 139 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: earned his money this year. I mean when you look 140 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: at what they needed from him coming in as a leader, 141 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: but also on the field, they the reason Trumon Williams 142 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: came back. Honestly, let's think about it. Is versatility and durability, 143 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: the ability thing, right, we talk about that. Trumon Williams 144 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: gives you that, but there is something about, Okay, well, 145 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: you're gonna play safety on this play. I mean, this 146 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: is a key communicator position. Now you're gonna go down 147 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: to the slot. You're gonna go back to safety, back 148 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: to the slot, depending on what the coverage call is. Now, 149 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: Truman Williams eleven twelve years in the league, He's smart 150 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: enough to be able to do that. But let's make 151 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: no mistake, Mike, there's a reason why you and I 152 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: constantly everybody has constantly been praising what the Packers were 153 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: able to do defensively when Kevin King was up, when 154 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: JayR Alexander was up, and when you had Tremon there 155 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: in a little bit more security at safety. Is because 156 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: it allowed guys to get comfortable at their spots. Um 157 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: this game, nobody really was able to do that. Even 158 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: Alexander to some regard with traveling with theelan had to 159 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: play multiple multiple positions. So, um, yeah, the big thing, 160 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's as easy as okay, Kevin King 161 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: comes back and this defense is rare and to go. 162 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: But I mean, it's such a big loss not having him, 163 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: because that's just that is if you have always talking 164 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: about you know, multiple starters, right, isn't just eleven guys, 165 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: But if you put King in the lineup, that's a 166 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: boundary corner position that you don't have to think about 167 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: the rest of the day. He just plays there. That's 168 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: his role and he's going to fulfill that job. When 169 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: you don't have him, the different guys you have to 170 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: cycle through there to make up for it. It's it's 171 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: a big stress point. Well, and when you look at 172 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: the way things have fallen with with Truman Williams playing 173 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: safety and doing a pretty good job back there, if 174 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: you're missing King and Breland, I mean, let's be honest, 175 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: that's two of your top three cornerbacks. When you have 176 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: Williams at safety, that's that that's tough to handle, especially 177 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: with a receiving corps that has Adam Theeland, Stefon Diggs 178 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: and Kyle Rudolph at tight end. You can't double cover everybody, Yeah, exactly, 179 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: And and you know the maddening part two is that 180 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: for my money, maybe you feel differently. I mean, I 181 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: thought Brelan was actually starting to finally look comfortable and absolutely, yeah, 182 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: absolutely he was. He was, he was. It looked like 183 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: he was settling into this defense after being a late 184 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: arrival and then dealing with the hamstring. Now is the 185 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: thing this game against the Cardinals, and we'll preview it 186 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: and Wednesday's show. It's not going to be the same 187 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: threats vertically. Uh, you know, Larry Fitzgerald still is a 188 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: guy you have to keep into mind, but I mean 189 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: he's not Larry Fitzgerald from two thousand eight, two thousand nine, 190 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: so there aren't the perimeter weapons. But man, I'll tell 191 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: you what, I don't know what the plan of attack is. 192 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how close those guys are back from injury. 193 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: But you got Airs or Atlanta coming around the corner 194 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: with Calvin Ridley and some of their weapons. It's like, 195 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you have to take another week or 196 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: anything like that, but this is a week where I 197 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: think the Packers, you know, they can they can get healthy, 198 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: they can see where things land. But there's still some 199 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: big games coming up as far as vertical threats and 200 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: people they're gonna have to stop yeah, no question about it. Well, 201 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: a little bit of sponsored business here. West Packers fans 202 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: be sure to stop in at your local Quick Trip 203 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: and pick up your Packers cup today. 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We believe in better. I 214 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: want to finish one more point. I usually don't like 215 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: to jump over you. That's I don't know if this 216 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: has ever happened before, and I'm very curious if this 217 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: would work out this season. And we'll talk again about 218 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: the Cardinals on Wednesday. But the Cardinals are dead last. 219 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: I didn't realize it until this very moment when I 220 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: broughtup their stats. They're dead last in points, total yards, 221 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: passing yards, and rushing yards all four categories. I wonder 222 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: if the team's ever accomplished that. Yeah, that's that's a lot. Yeah. 223 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: So anyway, I wasn't trying to dog on the Cardinals, 224 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: but I'm just saying it's not the same kind of 225 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: threat that you dealt with with the Vikings and Rudolph 226 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: and the multitude options. Yeah. Well, I want to get 227 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: back to something you brought up, which was Alexander traveling 228 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: with theland, which is another way of saying matched up 229 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: against a guy basically, you know, he's your assignment for 230 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: the entire game. There are different ways to is it. 231 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: But interesting in the fact that I think this is 232 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: the type of cover cover guy versus receiver matchup that 233 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: we might be seeing in the NFC North for quite 234 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: some time. This This this might have been, uh, this 235 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: might have been the first this season is kind of 236 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: the first of what could be many of these two 237 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: guys going head to head a lot. It reminds me 238 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: a lot of Xavier Rhads and Davante Adams on the 239 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: other side of the ball. I think that that's a 240 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,959 Speaker 1: matchup for the foreseeable future. Those guys are gonna be 241 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: seeing a lot of each other. Um, We've seen it in 242 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: in the past, Peanut Tilman, some of the matchups he's 243 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: had against receivers, and and certainly the relationship he had 244 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. This has the makings of that. The 245 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: exciting thing about Gyr Alexander, Um, you can talk about 246 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: the confidence, you can talk about the natural ability and 247 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: all the things that go along with that. But for 248 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: Joe Jr. Jason Simmons, and Mike Petton to all sit 249 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: down and make the decision, and I understand there's been 250 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: some injuries there, but make the decision that a twenty 251 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: one year old man is ready for that spot. He 252 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: was ready to go up against the Pro Bowl receiver 253 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: down in and down out. Now, they did some different things, 254 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: particularly in the second half. It wasn't just always him, 255 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: just one on one man to man. Yeah, the second 256 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: half the Packers went to a lot of zone coverages 257 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: with what they were dealing with in in the back end, 258 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: and and that's when theland really did the bulk of 259 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: his damage I thought was in the second half. But 260 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, and and afterwards Alexander said he in his opinion, 261 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: there were three three passes he caught on him. He 262 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: didn't have any touchdowns against him against Thelan. The thing 263 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: that is the most interesting to me is, Okay, the 264 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: result is what it is. You lost the game, the 265 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: Vikings rallied in the second half. This is that you 266 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: move on. But the knowledge in an ability to get 267 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: that kind of matchup, to play the amount of snaps 268 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: that he played in that game, that is going to 269 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: be so big for Alexander down the stretch and in 270 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: really going forward in his career. He said, you know, 271 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: Theelan showed him some vet moves. He showed him what 272 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: the high level Swiss Army knife type receivers can do 273 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: in this league. Is the guy can run the road tree, 274 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: he can line up anywhere on the line of scrimmage. Well, 275 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: the movie, the movie made on that short crossing route 276 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: at the end of the first half when there was 277 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: all kinds of space, I mean, that's that's one on 278 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: one and it's a crossing round and you you could 279 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: see Theeland was almost putting on the brakes before he 280 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: caught the ball, like he knew exactly what he was 281 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: gonna do, and with that much space around him and 282 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: no defensive help, I mean Alexander really didn't have much 283 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: of a chance unless he just completely guessed. You know, 284 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: jayre would have had to completely guess exactly what theland 285 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: was going to do and be right. Or because if 286 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: if thee if he actually guesses he's gonna cut back 287 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: and he's wrong, feeling's going down the sideline where there's 288 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: even less help coming in to to try to cut 289 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: him off. So, um, that was that was That was 290 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: a great that That was a great play by theelan 291 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: and and just one of those one on one things 292 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: in the open field. Speed and timing and everything that 293 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: has to be processed in a millisecond is remarkable with 294 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: that position. And when you take on someone like that 295 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: that is a shifty and able to switch on a dimons, 296 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: theling is it's a matchup. But like I said, I 297 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: think Alexander, those are the kind of reps that are 298 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 1: really going to help him going forward if he can 299 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 1: stay healthy. Man, that kid has a real shot to 300 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: be something special in this league. Um, and you've seen 301 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: it from day one. It's not easy, Mike, You've seen it. 302 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: You've covered this league for a long time. For a 303 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: rookie to come in, I don't care if you're a 304 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: first round draft pick. I don't care if you're picked 305 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: in the first twenty picks. To be able to have 306 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: that confidence, in that ability to have a short memory 307 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: on things and play down after down at that level, 308 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: at that young of age, that's um, that's gonna take 309 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: you a long way. It was interesting early in the ballgame, 310 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: and you had mentioned the play yesterday and Larry McCarn 311 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: breaks it down on one of his Rock reports on 312 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: the website as well. It was almost as though, really 313 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: early in the game Alex Alexander sent a message to 314 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: Theeling like this is what you're going to be in 315 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: for today with that that bubble screen to Digs and 316 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 1: he kind of blew up theeling, you know, shoved him 317 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: into Digs and then chase down STUFFI digs for the 318 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: tackle for loss. But uh and and you could you 319 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: could see and the open field play at the end 320 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 1: of the second quarter we were just talking about there 321 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: was there was a pride factor there with Adam Theland. 322 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: Not to say that he needed to be woken up 323 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: or anything in a big game like this, but you 324 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: could see the rest of the game there was a 325 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: pride factor with Adam Theland after what happened in the 326 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: first quarter early in that game, and then in the 327 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: fourth quarter when um, I believe it was fourth quarter, 328 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: second half anyway, when Theland does get the touchdown, he 329 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: took a pretty big shot from Kyler Facral right at 330 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: the goal line there as he as he plowed into 331 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: the end zone and he popped right back up and 332 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: was ready to celebrate. I mean to me, anyway, that 333 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: was a guy who was remembering what happened to him 334 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: in the first quarter and didn't like that that was 335 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: on film for everybody to see, so to speak, and 336 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: credit at Adam Feland. This guy, this guy, he's come 337 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: from obviously the humble beginnings we've we've talked about that 338 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: in the past. This is this is an elite receiver 339 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL. This guy is big time. Yeah, totally, 340 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: and the way what he's made himself into coming out 341 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: of Minnesota State Mankato has been really impressive. It was 342 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: funny though. I did ask Alexander about that play in 343 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: the locker room afterwards, and he actually said it had 344 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: less to do with feeling than it did digs Uh. 345 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: He said. Stefan Diggs was talking quite a bit early 346 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: on in that game and he was through. Theeeling was 347 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: the object he had to get through to get to him. 348 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of that fire was actually 349 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: stirred by Diggs and the fact that Alexander was able 350 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: to push him back and then finish that play. Uh, 351 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: that was a big he felt like that was a 352 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: big feather in his cap um. But yeah, those two 353 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: guys together what they've developed, and and a lot of 354 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: credit to to Rick Spielman to be able to find 355 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, Digs in the later rounds. What was Diggs 356 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: I want to say, a fifth round pick or something. 357 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: He was fifth round out of Maryland. Yeah, And and 358 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: to be able to get him and then be able 359 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: to have confidence in you're in state schools and give 360 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: a guy a shot. I mean that's the reason why 361 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: the Packers bringing Jake Kum out right. I Mean, you 362 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: get these guys in the state system that sometimes you 363 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: get a little bit more familiarity with that other teams 364 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: aren't paying attention to and to give him a shot. Uh. 365 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: And and they've certainly it's worked out for him. And 366 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: that's gonna be two PIP players and Packers are gonna 367 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: be seen for a long time. Yeah, when you don't 368 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: have to invest a first or second round draft pick 369 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: in the wide receiver position, and you have a pair 370 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: like that that are still young and and you know, 371 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: on the rise as as they are, that's uh, you know, 372 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: as our friend Pete Doherty likes to say, that's like 373 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: found money in the NFL. When when you either an 374 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: undrafted guy or a guy who's drafted on the third 375 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: day becomes a frontline Pro Bowl level player like that, 376 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: that's uh that that's a tremendous asset to building an 377 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: NFL roster. That's why I've I've continually constantly maintained that 378 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: two thousand thirteen draft for Ted Thompson doesn't get nearly 379 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: enough credit because if you go back and look at that, Mike, 380 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: there were two players that were taken on the third 381 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: day of the draft, non fullbacks, that turned into Pro 382 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 1: Bowl players. Packers got both of them in Micah Hyde 383 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: into in David bo in addition to J. C. Treader, 384 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: who ended up becoming a starting center for the Cleveland Browns, 385 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: finding box tr in the fourth round of that draft. 386 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: Consider how many first round misses there were on the 387 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: offensive line in that draft, how just how many first 388 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: round misses that left tackle There are almost every year 389 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: in the draft, and the Packers got a franchise one 390 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: in the fourth round. That's been a big factor in 391 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: the Packers building their offensive line the way they have 392 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: over the years. If you read draft that that draft, 393 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a hypothetical, but David botr Is probably 394 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 1: a top five pick, might be top three, uh, you know, 395 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: behind maybe Levan Bell and somebody else. But I mean, 396 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: it's that's how you do it. And in credits to 397 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: the Vikings, that's that's what they've done and they're right 398 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: in the thick of this thing. Yeah. Well, hopefully we'll 399 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: find out as the week goes along what the status 400 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: is with Box some of these other injured players for 401 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: the Packers getting ready for Arizona. But with that, we'll 402 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: call it a wrap on this edition of Packers on Script. 403 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: To be sure to follow all of our coverage of 404 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: the team on Packers dot Com on Twitter. He's at 405 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: west Hot, I'm at Mike Spofford at Packers for the 406 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: team account. Thanks for tuning in, everybody, See you next time.