WEBVTT - #273 Packers Unscripted: Picks, more picks 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:20.799 Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com. 0:00:20.840 --> 0:00:24.080 I am Mike Spofford and he is my trusted colleague, 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.360 West Hodkowitz. Were coming to you here from our studios 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.120 at lambeau Field and West. We might as well start 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:32.600 with the bit of draft news for the Green Bay 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.519 Packers that came out late last week, and that is 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.520 that the Packers have been awarded four compensatory draft picks 0:00:39.560 --> 0:00:42.519 in the upcoming two thousand and eight teen draft. To 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:44.839 make sure I get this right, it is a fourth rounder, 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.839 two fifth rounders, and a sixth rounder. Did so, all right, 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.040 So those four draft picks being added to what the 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.760 Packers already had. Um, and we'll get into a bit 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.800 of a discussion here about how those are determined. I 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:00.640 think you know more about this than I do, because 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.440 I still get confused by this whole process. But anyway, UM, 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.959 new general manager Brian Goodacuns got quite a haul of 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:10.600 picks here for his first draft as general manager. He does. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.000 I mean those four compensed story picks is as we 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:15.400 talked about before, that now puts the Packers since they 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:18.920 started the process second all time to the Baltimore Ravens. 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.240 I think they're like five or six behind them. This 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.920 has been a tried and true method. When you have 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.000 a draft and developed team, you do most of your 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:26.600 work through the draft, and you're gonna see some of 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.200 those guys leave on second and third contracts. This is 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.320 the benefit to it. So for the Green Bay Packers, 0:01:31.560 --> 0:01:33.920 the fourth round of the two fifths, the six that 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.520 is going to give them twelve in this upcoming draft 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.960 when you factor in the competed story pick I shouldn't 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.839 say competed story, but the corresponding pick that they're gonna 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.520 be receiving for Laurenti McCrae in that trade back in 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.280 two thousand sixteen from the with the Buffalo Bills. So 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.280 with those picks, they're even more leverage now, Mike than 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.600 they used to be because back in the day, all 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.559 of two years ago, you couldn't trade those competed story 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.760 picks and to use them. So now that gives good 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.680 Counts a little bit more am initition to if he 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:02.440 wants to move up in the middle rounds or whatever 0:02:02.440 --> 0:02:04.560 he wants to do. Um has that in his back 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:08.440 pocket as well. Yeah, and just you know, for history's sake, 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.840 it's worth pointing out some of the players that the 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:15.320 Packers have acquired with compensatory draft picks in the past. 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:19.200 Josh Sitton certainly comes to mind. Um, Mike Daniels. Mike 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.519 Daniels is probably the biggest one, probably the biggest one 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.200 of of of the bunch. There are others as well. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.400 As you said, this is uh, this is sort of 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.400 a tried and true method for a draft and developed team. 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.480 Because yes, the compensatory picks are slotted from the end 0:02:33.520 --> 0:02:35.799 of the third round to the end of the seventh round, 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.000 so you're not talking about, you know, a top fifty 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:42.120 draft pick here. But it gives a general manager more picks, 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:45.560 more swings at the plate, more ammunition to either move 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:49.360 around or to compile selections, because as we all know, 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.880 there are draft picks that don't work out. Nobody bats 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:54.440 a thousand in the draft. But the more picks you're 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.480 able to acquire, the greater chance you have of of 0:02:57.639 --> 0:03:00.280 say a seventh rounder, turning out to be Donald Driver 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:03.000 and becoming your all time leading receiver exactly. I thought 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:06.000 Ron Wolf is the one that has the ultimate line 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.200 in terms of how you approach the draft. It is 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:12.040 going to the plate. It is baseball you're swinging. You 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:14.240 want as many swings as you can because naturally you're 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.079 gonna miss on some. It's just the way the game 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:17.960 is played. And the teams that go through a draft 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:19.800 and don't miss tend to be the ones that end 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.160 up competing for Super Bowl championships within a year or 0:03:22.200 --> 0:03:24.640 two afterwards. The Green Bay Packers a good example that 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.640 in two thousand nine. You also look at, you know, 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:29.480 the Seattle Seahawks and what they did in two thousand eleven. 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.280 Competed story, picks are part of the process, Mike, and 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:35.520 you mentioned you know, obviously Mike Daniels, Josh Sitton, but 0:03:35.560 --> 0:03:38.480 even the Blake Martinez is and you know Dean Lowry's 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.160 of the world as well. Those and those were like 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.040 back to back fourth round compensatory picks just a couple 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:44.880 of years ago. Yeah, And so I mean, those are 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:47.160 the picks the Packers got when they lost Divon House 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.160 and also Trumon Williams to free agency. In the story 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.440 I always tell is they ended up getting back the 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.400 same exact pick for Devon House as what they used 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.040 on him in two thousand eleven. Through that process. That 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.520 was kind of crazy. It worked out how that works out, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.880 and for the Packers perspective, you look at it, they 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.560 lost Jared Cook, Micah Hyde, Eddie Lacey, T J. Lang, 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:09.240 Julius Peppers, j C. Tredder in unrestricted free agency, guys 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.480 who all had their contracts expire signed elsewhere. They only 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:16.920 signed one outside unrestricted free agent, Jerry Evans that counted 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:20.200 towards the formula. Since Martella's Bennett was released before week 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.080 A week ten, I believe he doesn't actually count towards that. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:26.200 So this is probably the greatest mystery, kind of almost 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.760 like the baseball arbitration in Major League Baseball. I don't 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.000 ever really understood that process either, but where they take 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.840 into account the contract, they take into account the playing time, 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.920 and they take into account, you know, any accomplishments the 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:41.880 player had. Nine times out of nine, it really seems 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:45.120 like it is ultimately the contract that Besides this, and 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.080 as we'll probably talk about a little bit more in 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.200 the second segment, the fact that you really had some 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.440 of these other teams that had guys at average contracts 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.520 above ten million dollars a year is the reason why 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.119 the Packers ended up not getting a third rounder, which 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.760 historically has been I mean that that's probably is important 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.680 as a compensatory pick gets because you're still picking in 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:07.360 those first two days. So you've seen the draft formula 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:10.200 chart and how important those middle round picks can be 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.320 and how valuable they can be. Uh, this, as you 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.400 said early on my for Brian goodacu instant opportunity. Now 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:18.160 for him to go into this draft with that much 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:20.640 ammunition is going to really behoove him in the in 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.360 the long run. Yeah, I mean, I look at this 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.480 as you know, when you get say an extra fourth 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:26.599 round pick here like the Packers have, you know, you 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:30.080 mentioned get Martinez and Lowry being back to back compensatory 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:33.360 picks in the fourth round. When you have multiple picks 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.680 in the middle rounds like that, that's where you know 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.560 you and you might use your regular fourth round pick 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.200 on David baktr and you get a hit right there. 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.760 But but the flip side of it is you might 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.880 use your regular fourth round pick on a guy who 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.599 doesn't work out, but then that later fourth round pick 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.520 in the in the compensatory selections becomes the guy that 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:55.239 does work out. You probably had both of those guys 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.720 rated about the same, but because you had the two 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:01.320 picks within a span of fifteen or twenty there. Within 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.640 the fourth round, you've got a great chance to hit on. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.679 The perfect example this is probably the two thousand twelve 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:09.720 draft with Mike Daniels. If you go back to that year, Mike, 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:11.640 the player that everybody thought was gonna be the real 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.800 difference maker as far as the defensive line concern was 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.560 drill Worthy. In no disrespect to drill Worthy, it just 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:18.120 didn't work out for him in Green Bay as a 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:21.160 second round pick, but the Packers did have that opportunity 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.039 to go back. They did have that extra pick in 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.320 the fourth round. Mike Daniels comes in a lot less heralded. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.479 I mean, a guy that was a game day scratch 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.320 I think in the week two of the season, just 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.920 didn't have that opportunity coming in with an injury as well, 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.760 shoulder surgery and everything at the end of his college career, 0:06:36.880 --> 0:06:38.520 catches fire at the end of the season as six 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.080 and a half SAX and next season and then he's 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.080 on his way from there. It's one small part of 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.280 the puzzle, but it's one that you definitely can't overlook 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:46.760 as well. Yeah, well, we need to talk a little 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.240 bit more about this whole formula and how they figured 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.240 this out. We'll get to that after the breakback with 0:06:51.320 --> 0:07:12.360 more on Packers Unscripted. Right after this, Welcome back to 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.720 Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair. Wes Hodkowits in 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:19.360 that one. Okay, Wes this whole compensatory pick formula and 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.160 how the league figures this stuff out. A lot of 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:24.840 projections out there. You can find websites that are, you know, 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.720 going to try to predict um who's going to get 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:33.000 what compensatory picks and what round. The general consensus seemed 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:34.680 to be that the Packers were going to get a 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:38.200 third round pick because of t J. Lang, who had 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:40.800 signed a contract for around nine million a year and 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:43.560 end up making a Pro Bowl and all that. But 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.520 the Packers didn't get a third round pick. There are 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.360 only four teams that were awarded a compensatory at the 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:50.240 end of the third round, and then the Packers got 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.440 the first compensatory at the top of the fourth round, 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.920 which tells you I would think, if I'm understanding this correctly, 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:00.559 that they were really really close to having that fourth 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.960 round compens story pick actually be thirty two slots higher 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.240 and possibly be at the end of the third round instead, 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:11.520 it didn't work out that way. Explain maybe how you 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.760 think this fell and why it fell the way it did. Well, 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.200 here's the part of the thing that I'm not going 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:19.960 to be able to explain, because the NFL Management Council 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.600 is ultimately the one that decides on these matters. Factoring 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.360 in what we talked about in the last segment, salary 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.440 average per year, you know how much the player played, 0:08:28.680 --> 0:08:31.200 and then also any accolades that player may have had. 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.400 If this would have been two thousand seventeen, the Green 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:36.080 Bay Packers would have been well in the clear to 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:38.599 get a third round pick for t J. Lang Eleven 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.760 compensed story picks in the third round last year. I'm 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.560 not it is not privy to me. I don't understand 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.720 how they decide the line of demarcation there in terms 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:52.160 of where they break. They award thirty two. They award 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.480 thirty two compensed story picks, but they can be spread 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:56.760 out anywhere from the end of the third through the 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:58.800 end of the second. So this year it's only four 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.360 in the third round I think, or five whatever it 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.640 ended up being last year eleven, so the Packers would 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.960 have comfortably been in that situation. I think would have 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.400 end up having the hundred and first overall pick. It's 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.480 not the way it worked out though, So for the 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.000 Packers perspective, now they take into account you can only 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.120 have a max of four compensatory picks. Packers lost seven 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:20.200 guys that can conceivably count towards the formula, but you 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:25.160 can't get more than four. So how yes, exactly, um, so, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.240 however you want to figure that out, I'm not really 0:09:27.280 --> 0:09:31.200 sure where they you know, how they determine what the 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.480 value is or how much in Eddie Lacy, you know, 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.760 contract pushes up a particular round, whatever the case may be. 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:39.160 The one thing that probably does hurt for the Packers 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:41.560 is that if that sixth rounder could have became a 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:44.480 fifth rounder, because again they'll be the first team picking 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.160 from the compensatory process in the sixth round. If that's 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.960 becomes a fifth rounder, it would be hard to imagine 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.680 the Packers picking three guys within you know, a couple 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.320 of picks of each other in the fifth round. But 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.480 now that you can leverage that in a trade, that 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.600 could potentially be bait to move up. And we know 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.880 the difference and value of all those picks per round. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.959 So uh, I don't want to say obviously the Packers 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:05.559 you know, ended up on the short end of the 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.160 stick here, but to some extent, it does feel like that, 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:11.079 considering the strength and how productive that that class of 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.200 free agents was, that they lost. Yeah, and as you said, 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:16.760 the compensatory pick in the sixth round was the first 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.840 one that was awarded for the end of the sixth rounds, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.400 so that one was also very close to to to 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.000 jumping up thirty two spots, um, you know, and uh, 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.920 and the Packers would would have a shot earlier at 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.719 another player. But it seems like when you just look 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:34.440 at the numbers, and you and I were only looking 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:36.880 at him briefly, but it would seem like where the 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.880 NFL drew the line this year for the third rounders, 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:43.800 for those top compensatory picks, it was guys that signed 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.839 contracts that average ten million a year more and then 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:50.480 t J. Lange was just below that ten million a 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.960 year mark. And even though he made the Pro Bowl 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:58.040 and whatnot, um, he his essentially compensation ended up being 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.000 the top pick of the of the fourth round. It 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.840 is strange though to me that you'd have eleven third 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.760 round compensatories one year and then only four in the 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.160 third round the following year. It just I've said this 0:11:10.240 --> 0:11:12.560 in our Insider Inbox column. I've kind of given up 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.520 trying to guess it and trying to figure out I 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:16.560 just kind of sit back and wait and see what 0:11:16.600 --> 0:11:18.400 the Packers get. At the end of the day, the 0:11:18.440 --> 0:11:21.640 Packers got four picks. They have twelve overall in the draft, 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.480 the seven plus the Laurenti McCray seventh rounder from a 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:27.560 couple of years ago, and then the four compensatories. Twelve picks. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.360 That's a lot to work with. Let the records show. 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.760 I don't think I've ever been right in terms of 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.560 projecting this, and there are some websites I think Football 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:36.320 Outsiders is one of them that do a really good 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.040 job of it. But again they're also basing because that's 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.640 one of the one of the big projectors this year 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:42.439 that thought the Packers were going to get a third 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.960 rounder for TJ. Lang, Taking too account how many third 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.480 rounders were divvied out a year ago, I think the 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.080 closest I'd probably have been is guessing fourth rounders for 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.800 Truman Williams in Devon House. But there were other years 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.520 where I thought the Packers were gonna get much more. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:57.600 You look at Casey Hayward end up having a Pro 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:01.640 Bowl season. His contract though, didn't really allow that to 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:04.720 jump past a fifth rounder. Um. So it's things like 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.880 that that you have to take into account. As I said, 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.560 it is kind of a mystery in terms of how 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.720 they go about figuring these things out. What we do 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.280 know though, at this point in time, the Packers with 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.280 those four picks will have a lot of leverage for 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.480 Brian Goodikut's in this upcoming draft. And I want to 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.520 talk a little bit more about just where the Packers 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.160 are positioned and how how the new GM might be 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.240 able to use that. We'll talk about that after the 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:44.880 breakback with more and Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:48.320 back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford. Here, West, Hodko, It's 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:52.000 over there, okay, West. So the Packers have twelve picks 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:54.480 in this upcoming draft. A lot of focus obviously will 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:58.200 be on the first round pick because the Packers are 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.560 picking four in the first round that they have not 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.960 had a pick this high in the first round since 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.040 two thousand nine, when b J Rodgi was drafted with 0:13:07.120 --> 0:13:10.040 the number nine overall pick. This is a very interesting 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.120 position for a brand new general manager to be in. 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:15.960 The Packers have not been in this in this position 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:17.880 for a long time, to get a player in the 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:20.960 top half of the first round. Just your thoughts on 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.440 kind of how where the Packers are situated here and 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.520 how this might play out. So many parallels, Mike, between 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.120 two thousand eight going into two thousand nine and now 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.800 the Packers going into two thousand eighteen, you were obviously 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.120 covering the team back then. The Packers coming off a 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.400 disappointing year defensively, Mike McCarthy overhauls the defensive coaching staff 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.480 and it begins with Dom Kaper's coming in and installing 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:45.040 the three four defense. Ted Thompson right on board with 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.280 everything gets Mike McCarthy gets Don Kapers the nose tackle 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:51.480 they needed at the ninth overall pick end up setting 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.120 up one of the better run defensive stretches the Packers 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.160 have had in recent memory with him, Ryan Pickett and 0:13:57.200 --> 0:14:00.080 the other players there, and then also Ted Thompson the 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.120 only time he did it, trading back into the first 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.280 round to take Clay Matthews. The Packers get their pass rusher, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.800 a defensive player of the Year, candidate right off the 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.720 bad for Green Bay obviously now becomes a six time 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.560 Pro Bowl linebacker. There are a lot of parallels now 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:16.240 with Mike Petton coming in here. Now, we'll have to 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:18.560 see which direction they go with this pick. Packers haven't 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.000 taken an offensive player in some time. Could this be 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.160 a year to do it. We'll have to see. But 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.640 to be picking four overall, and I thought Cliff Crystal 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.000 on our website did a wonderful job of really explaining 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.760 the challenges that Ted Thompson had. When you really go 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.280 back and look at it. When you're picking outside of 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.640 the top fifteen, and I believe it was eleven of 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.120 thirteen drafts, that's difficult to do the bulls eye. You're 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.160 you're stepping farther and farther back, so trying to hit 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:47.280 that becomes significantly more difficult. Brian Goodaquins set it right 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:48.920 from the day that he stepped up as in his 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.760 introductory press conference as the new GM, this is an 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.040 opportunity and unfortunate opportunity, but it is an opportunity to 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.000 re energize the team and find some more prospects higher 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.440 in the draft rather than having to project out you know, 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:02.120 further down the line. Yeah, and you and I had 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:03.960 talked about this last year on a couple of our 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.200 road trips going to cover the team. When you looked 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:10.880 at last year's Green Bay Packers defense and all the 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.640 all of the players who were involved, the highest draft 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.560 pick the Packers had on the field on defense at 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.800 any time last year was the twenty feet overall pick, 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:22.680 and that was ha Ha Clinton Dicks from two thousand 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:25.960 and fourteen. Obviously, going back a couple of years, Julius Peppers, 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:28.000 you know, had been a very high draft pick when 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.560 he was selected, and uh, you go back a couple 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.920 more years and b J. Rogie was obviously on the 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:36.480 team this last year. You look, you look at when 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.920 when the highest guy picked out of anybody who's playing 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.000 defense for you is at twenty one overall, that's going 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:44.920 to catch up with you at some point. That's just 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.520 the way this league is. The league is. The league 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:50.280 is built for parody. It's built for the the inverse 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.440 draft order, as as we talked about. So this is 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.880 a this is a huge opportunity for the Packers. Now 0:15:56.920 --> 0:15:59.440 that being said, doesn't mean they're going to pick defense 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:03.440 at at number fourteen overall. Certainly, no, no guarantee in 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:07.040 that regard, but um, but it's going to make you know, 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:10.320 go everything going on with the combine and everything leading 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.920 up to the draft, there isn't there isn't going to 0:16:12.960 --> 0:16:16.480 be quite as much uncertainty necessarily about who's going to 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.880 be there. There's still going to be some when you're 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:21.240 at fourteen, but as opposed to being at twenty five 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.440 or twenty eight or something like that, where you just 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.600 have no idea who might be on the board at 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.520 that point, being at fourteen, the packers will have a 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.800 little bit better idea of who they might have to 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.320 choose from at that spot. Assuming that that Goodkins decides 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:36.520 to stay there, Yes, and it is good Coins. You know, 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:39.160 it's his job to move the chess pieces how he wants. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.120 If it was me in that role, though, I'd be 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.560 really tempted to stay there because this is an opportunity 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:46.640 that you haven't had to pick that high to have 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:49.040 a chance to find a real difference maker. Because you know, Mike, 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.080 there's twenty two positions on the starting on the field 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:56.200 at any given time, there's only fourteen picks, thirteen guys 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.400 ahead of you. It's a really good chance to potentially 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:00.240 get maybe the best player at their position, and as 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.280 far as a prospect, I think that's really enticing. One 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:05.240 thing that did kind of frustrate me at times with 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.520 Insider Inbox and I tried to, you know, VI as 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.840 mature and professional about as possible, is a lot of 0:17:09.880 --> 0:17:11.800 people saying this pastoral. Why don't the Packers have a 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:14.119 defense like Jacksonville, Why don't they have Jalen Ramsey in 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:18.360 their secondary? Well two reasons for that. Jacksonville for years 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:21.359 was significantly under the cap, which allowed them to sign 0:17:21.400 --> 0:17:24.199 Clays Campbell, which allowed them to sign Blak Jackson, and 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.240 then also due to some of their losing seasons, were 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:29.879 able to be third, fourth, fifth overall to get a 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.639 Jalen Ramsey. When you're picking higher, it's a lot easier 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.520 to find those difference makers. Derek Barnett this past year 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.200 of Philadelphia Eagles seven and nine, a year ago Super 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.680 Bowl champions now makes one of the biggest plays of 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.880 the game and recovering that fumble off the one hop 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:46.440 Eagles win the Super Bowl four pick overall, We'll see 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.000 what happens with this year's Yeah, you definitely it's you 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:51.000 definitely don't want to miss on it, that's for sure. 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:53.240 And as you said, this goes back to, you know, 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.040 the transition with the coaching staff. Mike Petton coming in, 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.360 he's going to be giving Mike McCarthy and Brian Goudakin 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.120 some ideas as to as to what he's looking for now. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:04.879 If that player is there, maybe they take him. But 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:07.399 there's also you know, as we'll talk about, leading up 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.919 to the draft, you start thinking about wide receiver and 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:13.120 tight end and offensive tackle and those types of things 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.040 that you know positions you can never seem to have 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.560 enough guys. So that's why, you know, you always focus 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:22.119 on that, you know that that best player available mentality, 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.000 because you don't want to leave that best player for 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.440 somebody else to pick just because you're looking to fill 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.720 a slote in whatever the Packers do with that fourteenth 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.640 overall pick, it's good to keep in mind they'll also 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:33.200 have the fourteenth pick in the second round as well. Yeah, 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:35.679 no doubt with that. West. 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You mentioned 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.359 the Packers having obviously the fourteenth pick in the second 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:25.320 round as well. You look at that that's actually going 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:28.880 to be number forty five overall. Just for comparison's sake, 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.280 Jason Spriggs, the Packers drafted him in the second round 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:36.359 at overall, and Ted Thompson had to trade up to 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.400