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Speaker 1: Hello there, Chuck Todd. Here another episode of the Chuck Toddcast.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: It's a Wednesday, and today it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: bit of a focus on campaign twenty twenty six, if

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Speaker 1: you will. In fact, my guest is somebody who's already

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Speaker 1: running for an office in twenty twenty six. It's the

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Speaker 1: office of California governor, and we're likely to the California

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Speaker 1: governor's race is going to be the closest thing we

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Speaker 1: have to a presidential level race. It'll be, you know,

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Speaker 1: arguably the most important race that's held in the midterms.

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Speaker 1: The winner of the California governorship is essentially the leader

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Speaker 1: of the fourth largest economy on Earth, So it is

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Speaker 1: not a small job. And if you're governor of California,

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Speaker 1: you're automatically thought of as a potential future president. But

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Speaker 1: obviously this is going to be a unique year for

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Speaker 1: the California governorship because you've got the outgoing governor who

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Speaker 1: is clearly trying to position himself put himself in a

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Speaker 1: better position to run for president, Gavin Newsom. He's already

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Speaker 1: trying to take some sharp right turns away from the

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Speaker 1: progressive end of the Democratic Party, when it comes to transports,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to healthcare for undocumented immigrants, he certainly

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Speaker 1: is trying to do a bit of a heel turn,

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Speaker 1: if you will, and that we'll see it's a very clearly,

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Speaker 1: a very intentional move. Does it come across as authentic,

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Speaker 1: does he come across as somebody listening to voters, or

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Speaker 1: does he look like he's trying too hard that's going

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Speaker 1: to be on him, right. It all depends on how

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Speaker 1: you sell something like that. I remember when Mitt Romney

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Speaker 1: tried to move from being a moderate to a conservative,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it ever really took. And I remember

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Speaker 1: the biggest tell in twenty twelve is when he sold

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Speaker 1: himself as a severe conservative, a conservative that actual conservative

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Speaker 1: wouldn't refer to themselves as severe. I think they would

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Speaker 1: not think of themselves as an outlier, that they would

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Speaker 1: think of themselves as mainstream. And ultimately, I think the

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Speaker 1: Romney come to know that became a senator from Utah

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Speaker 1: and was the governor of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: I think I think we know that that pragmatic.

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Speaker 1: Conservative is really who he is, and temper certainly, temperamentially

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Speaker 1: more of a moderate than a conservative, but on issues

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Speaker 1: certainly a mainstream pre Trump conservative for sure. But when

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Speaker 1: you make this sort of hard right turn or hard

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Speaker 1: left turn when you haven't been that, you'll get a

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Speaker 1: bunch of doubt out there. And I think that that's

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Speaker 1: going to be among the challenges for Gavin Newsom, which

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Speaker 1: brings me a little bit to Kamala Harris because she's

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Speaker 1: in the middle of preparing to run for governor. And

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Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours, we got the best

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Speaker 1: analysis yet of who actually voted in twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: and it really does showcase. I mean, we kind of

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Speaker 1: already knew why Democrats lost that they seemed to Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump performed better with men of color, whether it was

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Speaker 1: Latino men or African American men. He did better with

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Speaker 1: those two voting groups than any Republican had done since

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Speaker 1: George W. Bush in two thousand and four. And when

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Speaker 1: you look, you know, there's a couple of ways to

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Speaker 1: look at this data from Catalyst, And if you're a

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Speaker 1: true political junkie, I encourage you. This stuff is free,

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Speaker 1: it's available, it's online. The company is called Catalyst C

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Speaker 1: A T a l I S T. And they have

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Speaker 1: done a very thorough analysis of how people voted by

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Speaker 1: by age, by gender, by race, and then dividing it,

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Speaker 1: you know, by gender within those categories, and essentially they

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Speaker 1: confirm with data what we already saw and what the

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Speaker 1: exit polls told us, which was younger voters were less

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Speaker 1: democratic than they've been in a couple of generations. Basically,

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Speaker 1: as my friends at the Cook Political Report put it,

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Speaker 1: had this electorate, had this been the electorate that showed

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Speaker 1: up for Barack Obama, they'd have been doing hot. They'd

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Speaker 1: have been high fiving in their campaign. They they're too victor.

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Speaker 1: Reason eight and twelve were powered by a younger, more

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Speaker 1: diverse coalition. Well, younger, more diverse voters turned out to

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Speaker 1: be an infrequent voters turned out to be the secret

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Speaker 1: sauce for Donald Trump. He outperformed her on infrequent voters,

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Speaker 1: he outperformed her on younger voters, and he of course

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Speaker 1: outperformed her on the gender gap. And that's going to

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Speaker 1: be an interesting takeaway on this is Look, I'm going

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Speaker 1: she lost. Joe Biden's unpopularity is why Kamala Harris lost. However,

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Speaker 1: look at all the deficits she had among men that

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton's, while Joe Biden's support among men, whether they're

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Speaker 1: white men, rural men, Latino men, or African American men

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Speaker 1: can a woman win again? I will. You've heard me

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Speaker 1: say this before. I don't believe that gender is the

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Speaker 1: reason why Hillary Clinton lost, and I don't believe gender

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Speaker 1: is why Kamala Harris lost. Look, Kamala Harris was trying

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Speaker 1: to do what Hubert Humphrey couldn't do, what Al Gore

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Speaker 1: couldn't do. Okay, it is not easy for a sitting

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Speaker 1: vice president to replace a president who's underwater in their

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Speaker 1: own popularity. Okay, George hw pulled it off because Ronald

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Speaker 1: below that he doesn't win reelection in eighty eight. So

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Speaker 1: I do think the environment made it very difficult. But

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Speaker 1: you can't look at these specific numbers among men and

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Speaker 1: see this the fact that Biden got him back when

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Speaker 1: they were lost to Hillary Clinton and then they were

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Speaker 1: lost again. That's going to leave an imprint on a

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Speaker 1: lot of Democratic strategies who are going to convince themselves

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Speaker 1: that the country's not ready to elect a woman, or

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Speaker 1: certainly that it makes it harder, because ironically, Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: evidence that that happened. A few other takeaways from the

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Speaker 1: Catalyst data that I think should continue to cement some

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Speaker 1: conventional wisdom about our politics in the moment right now,

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Speaker 1: which is, get this through your head. In two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight and twenty twelve, higher turnout meant better results

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Speaker 1: for the Democrats, in twenty sixteen, twenty four, higher turnout,

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Speaker 1: it is for Republicans. The infrequent voter, the voter that

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Speaker 1: in a high turnout environment if you're Democrats. Now here's

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Speaker 1: so many election analysts like myself are so bullish on

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Speaker 1: the Democrats doing well in the midterms. Kamala Harris did

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily well with essentially the frequent voter, the super voter.

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Speaker 1: If you voted in every single midterm and presidential since

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Speaker 1: But the more of those elections you didn't vote in,

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Speaker 1: what does this mean for the midterms. Trump's not going

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Speaker 1: to be on the ballot and you're going to get

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Speaker 1: infrequent voters are not going to show up. We're already

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Speaker 1: seeing it throughout all of these special elections, all of

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Speaker 1: Every single special we've seen, Democratic performance is up, Republican

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Speaker 1: have sorted, the two political parties are sorted by education. Well,

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Speaker 1: the higher education attainment you have, the more likely you

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Speaker 1: likely to vote well. In the eighties and nineties and

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to give you a fun little

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Speaker 1: visual stereotype that I think shows you how things have

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Speaker 1: The point is is that somehow the Democratic Party became

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Speaker 1: the party that doesn't that doesn't tell you what to do.

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Speaker 1: Just ten years ago, that script was flipped. The generic

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Speaker 1: conventional wisdom of the two parties was, it's the Republicans

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Speaker 1: are the Libertarians. They Hey, everybody's welcome into that big ten.

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Speaker 1: And somehow the Democrats became the rules party, and Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump turned the Republican Party into the Hey, anybody's welcome

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Speaker 1: think that explains why these less frequent voters find themselves

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Speaker 1: That's something they have to figure out how to change.

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Speaker 2: I think that.

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Speaker 1: I think some Democrats thought John Fetterman was going to

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Speaker 1: John Fetterman situation going on in the party. How much

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Speaker 1: Are his his challenges something that need to be taken

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Speaker 1: more seriously And all of this has gotten lost in

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Speaker 1: do think that Democrats, you know, it's interesting when Jared Golden,

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Speaker 1: he is this Democrat who wins in Trump Country. He's

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Speaker 1: the second congressional district in Maine. That district Trump is

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Speaker 1: he's not going to do either. I will tell you this,

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Speaker 1: I do think him as a statewide candidate, he was

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Speaker 1: a shoein' to defeat Susan Collins. So if your Kirsten Jillibrand,

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Speaker 1: I think you're disappointed. But they still believe they can

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Speaker 1: recruit the governor, Janet Mills, to run for that Senate seat.

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Speaker 1: Let's see if that happens. There seems to my guess

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Speaker 1: not saying is he's not somebody that usually plays party politics.

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Speaker 1: He usually marches to his own drum. But something tells

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Speaker 1: you start to do the math, Democrats are going to

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Speaker 1: have to win that main Senate seat. If they don't

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Speaker 1: hold every single Senate seat in states they carry in

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Speaker 1: president elections, there are chances of getting to fifty Senate seats,

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Speaker 1: let alone fifty one if a Republican as president, in

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Speaker 1: order to have control the Senate becomes more and more

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Speaker 1: So the fact that they're not there's all this, There

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Speaker 1: for governor Steve Klubeck. As you could see with his background,

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Speaker 2: Well, nice seeing you again. We've spent time together in

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Speaker 1: You're a donor, You're a regular donor. You've been a

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Speaker 2: For almost four decades now, and I have been appointed.

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Speaker 2: Ah, good question, because I've done my due diligence, and

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Speaker 3: I ask you, soul like you have concluded the answers. Now,

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Speaker 3: Why you've done so well? You know, you fix the

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Speaker 2: it because my friends won't because they don't have brass balls,

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Speaker 2: and they don't they want to criticize. They don't want

431
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: to fight for our great state, our country of California,

432
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: which I'm willing to do. I'm willing to fight for California,

433
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: fight for our values. Well, tell me what.

434
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Speaker 1: Gavin should have done differently, because one thing you can't

435
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,199
Speaker 1: say about him is that he's a shrinking violet.

436
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: He's not. No, he's a friend. Don't look. We lead differently.

437
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 2: We lead differently. Okay, Look, I have fixed broken. I

438
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: don't think he's ever fixed broken.

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Speaker 1: So you're sort of implying that because he doesn't have

440
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: private sector his lack of private sector experience has probably

441
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: been a demerit in your mind.

442
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to say it's a demerit. It's just not

443
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Speaker 2: for these times.

444
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Speaker 1: You know.

445
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 2: Look, I'm here reading, willing and able to help him

446
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: and assist each to allow him to aspire to whatever

447
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: his dreams are. I want him to look good. I

448
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 2: want everyone to look good. I want everyone. I'm not

449
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: into this finger pointing. I grew up in a world

450
00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: where I'm a leader. I I've operated in thirty five countries,

451
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: sixteen languages, six currencies, and I fix the most broken,

452
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: and I take the incoming bullets, and I give my

453
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: team the trophies, and I create leaders. I create leaders.

454
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 2: I want to sit in the back of the theater

455
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 2: a clap for my team. I don't need a red carpet.

456
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. I want everyone to do well.

457
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: I want everyone to aspire well. And you know, profits

458
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: are profits, but guess what, it's not just about money.

459
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:31,120
Speaker 2: There is such a concept as social profits and That's

460
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: where my philanthropic experience comes into play. I've given away

461
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 2: tens and tens and tens of millions of dollars after tax,

462
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 2: and I require every philanthropy I'm involved with to show

463
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: me how efficient they are and what their results are

464
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 2: for the intended purpose to help the people. I go

465
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 2: up into two. I was in Bakersfield for the farm Workers' Convention,

466
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: and I was touring around and I learned about cap

467
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: and trade, and I understand energy in California and water,

468
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: and we can talk about all fifteen counties if you want.

469
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: And I respect everyone in California because I grew up here. Wow,

470
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: these other candidates, haven't you grown up here? How do

471
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: you run for office here? You just became a US

472
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: citizen twenty one? Well, you know about parliamentary government. That's

473
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 2: just an aside. And you know, if you're a careerist

474
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: and you're looking for just another job, well, you already failed.

475
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 2: What are you trying to do? You're already proven in it,

476
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 2: incapable of fixing the problem. You actually were part of

477
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: causing the problem. Okay, so you know it's different. This

478
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: is a different campaign. These are different times. I roll

479
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: up my sleeves. I'm here to serve. It's about us.

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00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 2: We so let's talk.

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Speaker 1: Let me let me just because I think a good

482
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Speaker 1: way of getting a sense of your style and what

483
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: your style could be would be to sort of go back.

484
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 2: So let's let's go backward, just real quickly to the

485
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 2: last cycle.

486
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: Chuckout.

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00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:10,479
Speaker 2: Okay, because I was, I was involved with part of

488
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: my team to assist. I lent part of my team

489
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: to Harris Waltz and I met with with Waltz. I

490
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: know the team. They were tone deaf. They were tone deaf.

491
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: And let me ask you a question in business.

492
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Speaker 1: Why were they tond Why do you think they were

493
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: tone deaf? Were they afraid of the interest groups? No? No,

494
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: what is it that has made them tone deaf?

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00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 2: They're tone deaf because they've never signed the front of

496
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: a check, neither one of them. They don't know balance

497
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: sheet income statement, they've ever created jobs, they've never been

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00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: responsible for payroll, coming out of their pocket for payroll,

499
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: which I have done. And they blew a billion three

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Speaker 2: approximately in ninety days. You tell me, I know if

501
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: any bank gave me that money and I blew it

502
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: ninety days, ain't going to get more money. Okay, they

503
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: were toned deaf to the economy, eggs, brig bread, milk, cheese, gas,

504
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: and immigration. And I'm happy to discuss each and every

505
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: one of them. And I scripting it comes because I

506
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: listened to the people of the customers of the United

507
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: States or the customers of California. You have to deliver

508
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 2: equal or greater value. That's it. Show results, but have

509
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: experience to do it and listen. They weren't listening. They

510
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: were in their echo chamber, their bubble of nonsense.

511
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: Let me ask the last four governors of all one reelection,

512
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Speaker 1: including Gray Davis. People, forget this. He won reelection and

513
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: then immediately got recalled. Yeah, sure, friend of mine, is

514
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: what Let's start with Gray Davis? What did he get right?

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Speaker 2: Oh? You know what, I'm not here to criticize, nor

516
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 2: am I going to that's right.

517
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Speaker 1: That's why I asked, like, what do you think he

518
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: got right? What do you how would you take from

519
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: him to help you govern the state? You know each

520
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: of the governors, because I've listened and looked at the

521
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: history of all them. I take them as points in history.

522
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: I do things my own way.

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Speaker 2: After the due diligence that I've done based on the

524
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 2: times today. History is history, to understand it, but these

525
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: times are different, and I don't throw arrows or rocks

526
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: at anything of the past. I don't point fingers because

527
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 2: I can't change history. All I can do is tell you,

528
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: with integrity and transparency, what is today, and listen for

529
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: simpler solutions because that people want simpler solutions. And I've

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00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: listen to the folks who cannot operate in California. So

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00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm going to open it back up for business. And

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00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: how do we do that. We have to deregulate. We're

533
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: going to have to do things differently. So this is bespoke.

534
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 2: These are new times. I can then come up with

535
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: solutions for the problems that exist. And for example, I

536
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: propose a state of Performance and Results and I call

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00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: it the California Department of Performance and Results, otherwise known

538
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: as CPR, which the state grievely needs haha, not Baja.

539
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: But really, you know, it's true living in a world

540
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: where all of our exports are crowded about five grade exports, right,

541
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: not in any order. Agriculture, tourisment, travel, innovation, manufacturing, entertainment,

542
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: and education, well it used to be education. It should

543
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 2: be again and treating us as a country, maybe even

544
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 2: having a department state where we have ambassadors to other countries,

545
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 2: maybe even having a sovereign wealth fund within the state. Now,

546
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: these concepts not want candidate could even go into detail

547
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: with solutions on these, and I can. I can. But Look,

548
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 2: we've got affordability, which is housing, right, We've got insurance

549
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: we've got to deal with. Okay, We've got homelessness which

550
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 2: we need to deal with. We have entertainment which we

551
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: need to deal with. Okay, And I can't touch on

552
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 2: all of these with solutions. Why because I have done it,

553
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: I have fixed it in the past, I've proven and

554
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: I have solutions where the others do not. All right, well,

555
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 2: tell me your solution on homelessness. Well, homelessness. I have

556
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: found some of the best operators in the state, like

557
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: the La Dream Center. I've been working with for five years,

558
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: the La Dream Center. It's faith based and this is

559
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: a nonprofit. Why not have a public private partnership with

560
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 2: the standard operating procedures of this great facility. Their costs

561
00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: to operate are one third that of government. Now, why

562
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: aren't we doing that in partnership and having it all

563
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: throughout the state of California as best practice. I would

564
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 2: even say after school all starts to Okay, I'm just

565
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: giving you examples of some out of the box philosophies

566
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: that I worked on in philanthropy and in government and

567
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 2: in my private side where we take in turbocharge the

568
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: best of the best. So your pitch sounds to me

569
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 2: a lot.

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00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: The reason I wanted to go back and talk about

571
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: these governors because there's really only two governors that I

572
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: can think of going back fifty years of California that

573
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: fit your profile, meaning they weren't professional politicians their whole life. Okay,

574
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: and that's Reagan and schwartzen Air. Yes, And Arnold's probably

575
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: the better example to talk with you about. Pronounceince it's a.

576
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 2: Bit because he was a better bodybuilder than I was.

577
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: Well, there you go, and I think about the things

578
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about, and Arnold talked about that as well,

579
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: and he ran into a lot of it. You know,

580
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: this is what happens to a lot of outsiders that win,

581
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: is that you win and people like what you're saying, yes,

582
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: do this, do this, and then you run into the bureaucracy.

583
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: And that's what Arnold ran into headlong into the California bureaucracy,

584
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: and he lost more than he won. And I'd argue

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Speaker 1: that by the end, with those last propositions, you know,

586
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: I think he really did leave a positive mark on

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00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: the and and gave Jerry Brown some tools to sort

588
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 1: of stabilize things thanks to those referendum. That's my opinion.

589
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think on that. But what could

590
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: you learn from Arnold? Because in many ways you're you're

591
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: coming in the same way. You don't have the accent,

592
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: but it's like he had a success he ran some

593
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: successful businesses. He was coming at it from a Hey, look,

594
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm not a big ideologue. We've got to do a

595
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: few of these things. What's what can you what do

596
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: you What do you take away from his failures and

597
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: his successes that you could mirror Because to me, if

598
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: you win this argument, it'll be because people long for

599
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: sort of someone like Arnold Again.

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00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: Well, I would say that following and I'm not throwing

601
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: stones arrows. I wouldn't go after all the unions like

602
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 2: Arnold did at the beginning and all at once.

603
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: Oh I think he okay, well, it's the right he went.

604
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: He tried to govern it so much as a Republican.

605
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 2: So at first, hear me out, hear me out. My

606
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: point is this, I've been a union guy my entire career.

607
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: I have built and operated in union framework. I have

608
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: stood and held hand side by side with union.

609
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: You can't do business in Nevada r anti union unless

610
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 1: unless you're Sheldon Natilson, I guess.

611
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 2: But anyway, Yeah, and that's that era ended too post

612
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: his post his departure on Earth. God. Look, I learned

613
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: a lot from a lot of these great leaders. I'm

614
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: friends with UfW and I'm friends with you know, the plumbers,

615
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: the electricians because I've built high rise hotels jobs with them.

616
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: I've operated with them to both unite and operating engineers. Okay,

617
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: but remember this, chuck the differences. I am thirty nine

618
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: nine years in the making, listening to and learning from

619
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 2: some great leaders. And I don't want to be repetitive.

620
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 2: But Harry Reid the master, it's my adopted dad. Okay,

621
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: I listened.

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00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: What do you what do you? Let's talk about, Harry,

623
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: what did you learn? Yeah, finish the Arnold question, and

624
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: then I want.

625
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: To talk about finish on your point. And remember I

626
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 2: learned from Bill Clinton. I learned because I've sat for

627
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,479
Speaker 2: hours with these folks, Okay, and I've done this federally. Now,

628
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 2: all right, how did I get and create Brand USA?

629
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: And it's still operating fourteen years later with a great

630
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: return on investment and results. I set up the infrastructure,

631
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: and you're telling me I didn't have to walk into Washington,

632
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: d C. To work with Homeland Security, Customs and Borders,

633
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 2: the Senate, the House, Treasury, Commerce, State Interior, and report

634
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 2: to the Oval. Okay. And I got that done. It

635
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 2: was a little dicey at times, but that I had

636
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: to create trust and then deal with the GAO auditing

637
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 2: me not one infraction, dealing with omb through the mix

638
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: of it. So don't say I come to the table

639
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,240
Speaker 2: with attributes Arnold didn't have. I come to the table

640
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: with state responsibility out of Nevada, having indictment power and

641
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: having the age and the highway control report to me

642
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: and reported to the governor. And I've done it at

643
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 2: the local level too. So I come to the table

644
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Speaker 2: a little bit differently than Arnold did with government experience,

645
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Speaker 2: and I feel comfortable and confident that I can work

646
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 2: with the Senate the Assembly to create camaraderie, trust where

647
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 2: we can be on the same page and team for

648
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: the customers of California. Okay, so that's where I come different.

649
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Speaker 1: I mean, let me before we get tarry read, Actually,

650
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Speaker 1: what makes you a Democrat and not an independent?

651
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Speaker 2: I'm loyal to my party because there was a time

652
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: way back when mch Forcommon. Can't you come see me

653
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: and try to convert me to the Republican side? And

654
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 2: you know what, I listened, and I went to two meetings,

655
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 2: you know, meet and greets. Whatever does he recruit you

656
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:07,479
Speaker 2: for a center race? Recruiting me as a donor? But yeah, no, Look,

657
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: I've been very involved philanthropically, you know, politically involved and

658
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: as an activist too. So I went into the room

659
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,959
Speaker 2: I did not fit in. I'm not bougie. I don't

660
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 2: have I'm not cuff links, pocket square, fancy ties, shiny

661
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: shoes and shiny nail polish. I don't own a yacht.

662
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not that guy. Not fancy, no fancy watches.

663
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Speaker 2: Have I had them? Yeah, but you know what, I'm

664
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Speaker 2: proud of it, but I don't wear them. Put me

665
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Speaker 2: in the streets and Common John handled to just steal

666
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: him for his new TV show anyway. But anyway, oh,

667
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 2: that's right, he's very good at that, by the way.

668
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know is yeah, I feel like that entire

669
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Speaker 1: TV show is just designed to advertise watches I've never

670
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Speaker 1: heard of. But anyway, go ahead.

671
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Speaker 2: It's very funny. But he's got to be the pawnbroker

672
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: and negotiate with the pawnbrokers. Hysterical. It's a fun it's

673
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: a fun show. It is really is so paradise, by

674
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: the way, but look, I feel comfortable in the street.

675
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: I like my customers. I'm in a hotel guy. I

676
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: like walking around. I see thirty nine million customers in

677
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: California I can engage with and listen to and make

678
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: their life better, more beautiful, where they can aspire and

679
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: the California becomes the bully pulpit again, where we can

680
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: actually grow the state to forty four million. Now that

681
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 2: means we're going to have to fundamentally fix some broken

682
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,479
Speaker 2: things and grow. We need to turn that sign from

683
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 2: closed to open and be inviting. But we have to

684
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: fix and rip these band aids off. Their bendis on

685
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: band aids and they're bleeding, so you had to clean

686
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: the wound, make sure we get all the margins and

687
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 2: the cancer is gone, and we start to heal, recover, solidify,

688
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: and grow.

689
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Speaker 1: You know, Elon Musk left, then came back and is left,

690
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: and then he comes back. And Gavin Newsom will say

691
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 1: every time eln tries to leave, he realizes the best

692
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: workers are in California. His workers prefer to live in California.

693
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Speaker 1: They don't want to live in Nevada. They don't want

694
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Speaker 1: to live in Austin. No offense to both of those places, No, no,

695
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: not true, right, But what is it? What is it

696
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: that California does that makes these business leaders tempted to leave?

697
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 1: Most a lot of them come back because of the

698
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 1: quality of life issues.

699
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: Well, I came back. I didn't have to, right. I

700
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: assume it's quality of life more than anything else. Right,

701
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: one hundred percent. There's no greater state in the United States.

702
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: I've been to all of them. I've been all over

703
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: the world, operating thirty five countries. I could live anywhere

704
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 2: in the world. There's no better place than California in

705
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 2: the world. So why is it hard to do business

706
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: in California? Why do people in business say it's hard

707
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: to do business in California and I say this because

708
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 2: there's a hell of a lot of successful businesses in

709
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: California that are still complaining it's not good. It's not

710
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: good to do business California. You see what I mean? Fine,

711
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: love bit of a contradiction. Well, it is a contradiction.

712
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: So when the head of the farm workers and the

713
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: CEO of Chevron tell me the same thing, what does

714
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: that tell you? Well, what is that that they say?

715
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 2: The leaders and the governor never sat down and talked

716
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 2: to the best customers of California. Okay, when you don't

717
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: talk to your customers, how do you know what's bothering them,

718
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: what's inhibiting them from doing good business?

719
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Speaker 1: Noh?

720
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Speaker 2: I Look, I believe I'm not a total deregulation guy.

721
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: I operated in highly regulated businesses. Regulations are good to

722
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: keep bad actors out. Too many regulations keep good business

723
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 2: from doing good business. And that doesn't mean I'm a

724
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: hardcore Republican. I'm a hardcore center Okay, I will tilt left,

725
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 2: tilt right. I have the biggest heart on LGBTQ. But

726
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 2: guess what it don't need man x Y playing an

727
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: x X sports. That's genetics, biology, one on one. I

728
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: have not found a solution for that one, and it's

729
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: unfair and not right. That doesn't mean I don't believe

730
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: in transgender I just am not going to allow them

731
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Speaker 2: to compete in my world because I don't want my

732
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: daughter having the crap kicked out of her by some dude.

733
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: And now is you know, wants to become a woman.

734
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Speaker 2: Okay in body, but not in genetics. And that's Those

735
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Speaker 2: are the facts and hard truths, Chuck. Those are harders.

736
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: And guess what, it's time for hard troots. We got

737
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 2: to face these hard troops. By the way, go get

738
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: my book. It's called Facing Art Troops.

739
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: I know you you You've already sent me a copy

740
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Speaker 1: of it. Trust me, I'm digging into it. Harry Reid,

741
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: you've talked about him, you know, Harry Reid is is uh.

742
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: I will always say publicly one of the most difficult

743
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: interviews journalists like, he sucked, he sucked on camera, he

744
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: didn't like being on TV. And he's such a blunt

745
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: talker that it no, He's what he wanted to get across, didn't.

746
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: It, Chuck? How about this? People would say to me,

747
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 2: how do you deal with Harry? I mean, you hang

748
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 2: up on you in like thirty seconds, one minute or

749
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 2: a minute thirty and it would never say goodbye when

750
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: he's done. He was done, right, he did it when

751
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 2: he was done, he was done.

752
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

753
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,240
Speaker 2: And he did it to President Obama so many times.

754
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: That's the joke of jokes. But you know, my biological father, Sheldon,

755
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 2: God bless him too. That's how I met Harry. Harry

756
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 2: Reid was my father's attorney when I was fifteen.

757
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Oh interesting.

758
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: And I met Mike Milkin when I was thirteen, So

759
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: I was really you know, a friend of my father

760
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: and I was blessed to have them, have them in

761
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 2: my life, and they're my mentors. I'm got product of them, Chuck.

762
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: But Harry taught me. I mean I'd be on the

763
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: phone for him for half an hour hour and people

764
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: would go no, way, impossible. I go, no, yeah, yes,

765
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 2: way yes. And he taught me to be a fighter.

766
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: He was a fighter. He was a silent assassin. Oh yeah,

767
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: tough as nails. So I'm a fighter with bravado because

768
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: of my reality TV experience. I don't want to tell you.

769
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: I just all right, let's.

770
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: Let's go to your personality because I think you know

771
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: and I say this with respect.

772
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 2: It's it's, uh, you're.

773
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: You're, you're you're a You're a forward leaning guy. You're

774
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: not afraid of a camera, you're not shy about a quote,

775
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: and you you're you're, you're okay with shooting.

776
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:32,919
Speaker 2: Your mouth off every now and then.

777
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: What uh, some people will well you try to use

778
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: this against you in this campaign and then say, you

779
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: know what, we don't need a Donald Trump and the

780
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: Democratic Party.

781
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: No, guess what I disagree you actually do because you

782
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: need somebody who has fought Donald Trump before, which I

783
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: you you are so wrong, It is the opposite. You

784
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,479
Speaker 2: do you need? Well, this is my question.

785
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: I think there's a strong debate here. So does the

786
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: party need to go and they.

787
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: Actually needs the party actually needs bravado in the heart center.

788
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: That's not afraid, that's got brass balls. Okay. It's actually

789
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: sat across the table from Donald Trump and his office

790
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: in New York because we had the same architect and

791
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: we were talking about Trump Tower Las Vegas, and I

792
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 2: sat there and I'm like, ooh, okay, there's too many.

793
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: Chuckstaposed the similarities. Both were for Larger than Life just

794
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: before I did reality TV. It's before he did reality TV.

795
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: And you know both our shows, The Apprentice and under

796
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: Cover Boston have the same format. They both end up

797
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: in tears minor happy tears. And I'll tell you also this.

798
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: The Democratic Party needs somebody to fight for it that

799
00:47:55,000 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: has brass balls, that's not afraid, that encompasses our democratic values,

800
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: which I do. Okay, that is unabout So these are

801
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 2: the lessons. So what do you learn from Donald Trump?

802
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: What should the Democratic Party learn from Donald Trump? To

803
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 2: say what's on your mind instead of trying to like

804
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 2: be uh, none of the woke stuff. Just say what's

805
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 2: on your mind. Listen to the people. He knows customers.

806
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: I know customers too. He knows who his customer is.

807
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: I know who our customers are. I know the customers

808
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 2: California because I did the polling. These are my words,

809
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: these are the customer's words. I'm just delivering a good experience.

810
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: And it's gonna be a fun ride. You're gonna have

811
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 2: a little fun for change. Okay, You're gonna have fun.

812
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna find this whole campaign on your you, go

813
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 2: go ahead, go ahead. What was your question? You're gonna

814
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: fund this whole campaign on your own? No, Harry Reid.

815
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 2: One oh one, never fund your own campaign. Create community.

816
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: I will have money aligned with it, totally aligned. I

817
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 2: paid maintain taxes in California. I have money aligned in

818
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 2: the campaign. I will not self fund. You not buy

819
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: an election. And two you never switch parties. That's why

820
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 2: I'm a lifelong Democrat.

821
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I can because that is you know, our friend, You've

822
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: got a nice rite up in puckreet recently and you

823
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 1: were put into the category that everybody's going to put

824
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: you in. Oh Al check Ee and oh this you

825
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: know Jane Harmon and all these folks and Meg Whitman,

826
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: and it sounds like you're like, yes, that is a

827
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: lesson learned.

828
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 2: Don't try to buy the seat. You can't do it.

829
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: It's one on one. I was talked by the greatest

830
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 2: you can't buy an election. You must create community. But

831
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 2: have your money aligned. Because if I was just well

832
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: to do and didn't put any money in, then I

833
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 2: don't have skin in the game. No different than any

834
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 2: business deal. My bankers and investors want to know I'm aligned,

835
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: So I'm focused every day. I've got money aligned with

836
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,480
Speaker 2: the people of California for the betterment of all of us.

837
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 2: I'm roll up my sleeves. Okay, I'm aligned. I'm not

838
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: doing it for title. I'm not doing it for a paycheck.

839
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 2: I can tell you that. And I'm unemployable looking for

840
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 2: a job. Uh So, no, no, look I love what

841
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: I I got to. Trust me. I'm a white guy

842
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 2: over fifty. I know what you mean by the unemployable. Well, look,

843
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: this is the toughest thing I teeth. This is the

844
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: toughest thing I've ever done. And I'm serious every day.

845
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 2: But it's most fun I've ever had. Each and every

846
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 2: day I'm learning new things. I'm meeting beautiful people throughout

847
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 2: our state. Okay, and we'll talk about simple solutions for

848
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 2: a better life, a better way. And that sounds like

849
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: a catchphrase, but you know what, that's what people want.

850
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: They said that to me. I didn't make it up.

851
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 2: That's what the people want. I want to hear from

852
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 2: everyone in California. What is impeding you from doing good

853
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 2: business in California? Tell me the problems and let's start

854
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: fixing them one by one.

855
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: Okay, why did uh? Why why couldn't Donald Trump start

856
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: a casino in Nevada?

857
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: Uh? Why did Donald Trump go bankrupt in three casinos

858
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: in Atlantic City. Why, I mean, Donald Trump doesn't create value,

859
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: Donald Trump destroys value.

860
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: It's always been interesting to me that he has a building,

861
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, he has a building in Las Vegas and

862
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: he can't get a casino. I know it's not without trying.

863
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,320
Speaker 1: He can't see me get a casino license. And the

864
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: rumors used to be that Steve Wynn was blocking him.

865
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 1: But what I've always been, you're you were tied into

866
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: that world. You know he could Why could he never

867
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: get certified? I don't know.

868
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: If I knew, i'd tell you I joke, I will never.

869
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't make shut up.

870
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, no, I I just that's an interesting question.

871
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 2: I go find out it was things that I don't

872
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: know Trump. I'm gonna I'll go find out. I've never

873
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: been asked that question, but I'm gonna go find out

874
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 2: because I know numerous people on the Gaming Commission that

875
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 2: I can say, Hey, by the way, what do you

876
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 2: think why I don't I always thought that it never

877
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: wanted to build it that way because Phil Ruff and

878
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: his partner, you know, owned Treasure Island.

879
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't mean to be sound ridiculous here,

880
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: but who would want to build a high rise in

881
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and not have a casino in their high

882
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: rise hotel.

883
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: I didn't. At Polo Towers, I did not. Matter of fact,

884
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,240
Speaker 2: I had slot machines and I had a slot license,

885
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: and I got rid of it. I was I had

886
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: a casino license, and I got rid of that slot

887
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 2: license because it was just too much accounting paperwork for

888
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: the money that I was being made. And on top

889
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 2: of it, my team members were going up there after

890
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 2: work and they were taking their paycheck and putting it

891
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 2: into the slot machines. And I hated taking money from

892
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: my people because I actually have integrity. I did not

893
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 2: want to like take That was one of the reasons

894
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 2: why I got rid of my slot machines. I was

895
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: at the paperwork. It was too difficult, and I was

896
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: taking actually the paycheck that we were paying to our

897
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 2: team members and they're putting back in these machines, and

898
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: I felt really bad about it.

899
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: Tell me about the timeshare industry, Yeah, I'm a skeptic.

900
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: Tell me, why tell me why I shouldn't be.

901
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why you shouldn't be, Because you know,

902
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 2: there's millions and millions and millions of owners I mean

903
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: when I bought the most broken of companies because I

904
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: solved the sins of the fathers.

905
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 1: I gave what were the bad practices that you got

906
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: rid of in the time?

907
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 2: Oh God? Like you know, had this guy in Orlando,

908
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 2: and I bought all the mid market companies that went broke.

909
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 2: They were over leveraged. They were like selling two bedroom

910
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 2: units and they only had one bedroom units. They were

911
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 2: popping balloons champagne and not providing equal with greater value.

912
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: It's not for everyone, Okay. It makes sense if you

913
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 2: want to own it for over ten years and when

914
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,919
Speaker 2: you are paying for your ongoing costs after you paid

915
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: it off, it makes sense. And the timeshare business of old,

916
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 2: I don't know that it really makes sense today. And

917
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons I'm out of the business

918
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,479
Speaker 2: today because I saw it no longer as a viable product, Chuck,

919
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 2: because I didn't see millennials embracing it with their Do

920
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 2: you think R, B and B. I'm just curious.

921
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: You think Airbnb has basically killed the time share world? Yeah.

922
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 4: Look, and Brian Cheskey's friend, and I was so anti

923
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 4: Brian Cheske. The whole entire hotel industry was look for

924
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 4: it's regulated. He doesn't have to have a DA you

925
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 4: know responsible.

926
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: I've heard the Kublas Life say, he doesn't have to

927
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: have cleanliness standards, he doesn't have inspections by the by

928
00:54:55,120 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: the health department. There's you know, there's so many issue

929
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 2: life safety, et cetera. And look, yeah, he has changed

930
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:09,399
Speaker 2: the experience, but he saw market that the millennials were

931
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 2: gravitating George, which was experiential, and that is the antithesis

932
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: of the timeshare business. The timeshare business was multi generational.

933
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: Your grandpa and grandma bought it and gave it to

934
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: your parents, and your parents gave it to you, and

935
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 2: it was fully paid off.

936
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: And nobody wants to go to the same place over

937
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: and over again.

938
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 2: Well, and that's why I ended up having places all

939
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 2: over the world and had my own exchange company within

940
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 2: my company, because I was, you know, the largest in

941
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 2: the world with a worldwide platform. Hilton owns it today

942
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: and now they're leveraging back into points, into their hotel platforms,

943
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 2: which gives it much more flexibility. But look some of

944
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: those sales and marketing practices, I thought I would not

945
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: put up with it. I gave people their money back

946
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: because I bought ten broken companies that were one was

947
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 2: totally unfixable, the others popped because of financial reasons. And

948
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 2: I keep people their money back. And I did not

949
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 2: gain the profit on that sale because they were sold improperly,

950
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 2: because I live in that world, because I want happy customers, okay.

951
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 2: And even if we made a mistake, we refunded the money.

952
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 2: We refunded the money. And if somebody I once did

953
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 2: this in Europe as we inherited this large program company

954
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 2: we purchased, I said, if anyone's over seventy five years

955
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 2: old or has become a pensioner and that's a term

956
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 2: in England, right, or they have a medical malady, or

957
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 2: they lost a source of income, let me know. And

958
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 2: we let them out let over three thousand people out

959
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: of their contracts, no questions asked. Okay, So I solved

960
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 2: the sins of the father. So I've done that. It's

961
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: almost like becoming governor of California and to solve the

962
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 2: sins of the past. But you know what, don't point fingers.

963
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 2: Just get done. So I've done it.

964
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: I'm proven.

965
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: But today, you know the timeshare world, we fought these

966
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 2: resale companies, Oh, those those are scam artists because they

967
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 2: promise you they'll resell your time share and if you

968
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: pay an upfront fee of twenty five thirty five hundred dollars,

969
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: don't do it. It's a scam. Go to the company

970
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 2: that you bought from and say, you know, we're really

971
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: having a difficult time please can you can you work

972
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: something out with us or let us out of this.

973
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: And I'm telling you, if you go to Hilton, Marriott's

974
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: Disney or went to Diamond Resorts, were just now Hilton,

975
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 2: you went to my company, we'd let you out. Oh

976
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 2: you have to call call.

977
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: So that's what you're saying, is that the timeshare industry

978
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: that's left, if it's run by Marriott or Hilton, it's

979
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: a little more, it's a little more on the up

980
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: and up these days.

981
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: Well I always read it that way. And the greatest

982
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 2: compliment I had and my CFO got really upset. Marriott

983
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: copied my Wall Street deck and he was so upset

984
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: he goes, they copied our deck. It's our improper propriety

985
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: information that I said, David, it is like the greatest

986
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 2: trophy in the world. The greatest compliment is when a

987
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: worldwide company like Marriott Lead red Man and copies your material.

988
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: That's a trophy, that's a prideful day. And that's what

989
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 2: I believe in All tides all you know, rising tides

990
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 2: lift all boats, Chuck, I'm good with that.

991
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: What Kamala Harris came to you and said, look, I

992
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: want to run for governor and I want your help.

993
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: What would you say, I'd say, you're not ready for

994
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 1: prime time?

995
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: Like I told her May twenty eight, twenty nineteen, when

996
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 2: she called me, it was the one year anniversary of

997
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: my dad's death. Poor timing. Obviously she didn't know a customer.

998
00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: It was a good day to call me, but she did,

999
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: and I was I had already talked to Senator Klobucher

1000
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 2: and Pete Putacheg and I really enjoyed those folks and

1001
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 2: was supportive of them. And I told her she wasn't

1002
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 2: ready for prime time. She hung up with me the

1003
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 2: last I'm gonna talk to her, So if she calls

1004
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: me again, this will be interesting. So you were that

1005
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 2: direct with her? Yeah, I'm always directed with everybody. I'm candid,

1006
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 2: I am who I am.

1007
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: What was her pitch?

1008
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,920
Speaker 2: Same? Remember, yeah, same old nonsense, scripted words salad, like,

1009
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: what the hell you're talking about? Kind of stuff like

1010
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 2: I like, I swear uck.

1011
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: She I'm guessing that it sounds like if she announces tomorrow,

1012
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: you're not dropping out.

1013
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 2: No, I told you I know what to give her

1014
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: as an appetizer, either regular or nacho cheese de ritos,

1015
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 2: and then a big glass bowl filled with letters locked

1016
00:59:56,280 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: together in the form of words clear bowl, that's pretty.

1017
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: That's a that's a shot. You said he didn't want

1018
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: to take too many shots.

1019
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 2: That's a shot. It's not a shot. I'm just staying

1020
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 2: the obvious. Could you explain to me what she's talking about.

1021
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 2: You're a smart guy. You're a smart guy. I really

1022
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: I admire you. I will say this. I will say this.

1023
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: My thesis, my thesis on her is that she's got

1024
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: too many voices she listens to. She's too many voices

1025
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: giving her advice.

1026
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 2: Good. That's not that's not what a leader is. Leaders lead.

1027
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: Leaders lead. They should listen. They should listen, or you

1028
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: could listen, but you've got to make age a decision.

1029
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: You don't listen to the last person to talk to you. Okay,

1030
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: leaders have experienced leadership. Signed the front of the jack

1031
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 2: she has done neither one. Oh she went to the

1032
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 2: border once. I bet I could talk about visa policy

1033
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 2: more than she would ever understand. Okay, and look, this

1034
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: is for the people's.

1035
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: Probably running, isn't she much more and more likely? No?

1036
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:09,960
Speaker 2: Look, look they have a disease, Chuck, they have a disease.

1037
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: They don't know when to leave the room. Who is they?

1038
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: All of career politicians in general, career politicians and even

1039
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,040
Speaker 2: some business people. You got to know when to exit

1040
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 2: stage right or left. There are meetings that I would

1041
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: go to that I told myself out of because it

1042
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 2: was inappropriate. I knew it was bad timing, bad place,

1043
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 2: Maybe it was a bad mood, but I wasn't the

1044
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: appropriate person for the meeting to get the best result

1045
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 2: for the team and the guests. Being self aware, So look,

1046
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 2: I'm not I got no vanity in this this hard work.

1047
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it's none of my bucket.

1048
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: And you're ready for the arrows. I mean, people are

1049
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: going to come at you get my personal life. You

1050
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: know it's going to put you on the only fans business.

1051
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know what, juck. Guess what? Yeah? I

1052
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: got bullseyed, I got extored. I didn't guess why. I

1053
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 2: don't get extorted and you never will on my watch,

1054
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 2: neither any other California because I got brass balls. Guess what.

1055
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,959
Speaker 2: That individual was a serial extorter and just ran into

1056
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 2: the wrong person who's principled. I got all my I

1057
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 2: think she assumed you just pay her off like everyone else.

1058
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 2: So guess what. No, I did not pay one dollar

1059
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 2: to her nor to any attorneys. I got all my

1060
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 2: stuff back, and I got an apology letter. Go listen

1061
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 2: to the Daily Beast. It was read online, read on

1062
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 2: air because during the interview like, no, he didn't get

1063
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: an apology letter. I'm like, yeah, sure I did. I'll

1064
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: read to you, and they were like, oh my god,

1065
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: you did. Yeah. No, no, Chuck, I am not one

1066
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: read my press lepers. I am a Papa bear. I'm

1067
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent love. I have one percent. Don't mess

1068
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: with me nor my family. And you mess with my

1069
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: family or friends, You're going to see a side of

1070
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: me that will protect till the end. I will fight.

1071
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 2: I am the commander general, and I'm the front line.

1072
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: I am not afraid to pick up that bayonet and charge.

1073
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: Well, that sounds like Harry Reid. He just wasn't as

1074
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: vocal as you are.

1075
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: But but well, let's seems a silent assassin. I'm assassin. Well,

1076
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 2: yea assassin. I'm an assassin with Bravano. But I am

1077
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: the son of Harry Reid and Prep and I have

1078
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 2: the financial acumen of Mike broken.

1079
01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: I assume after the legal trouble. Yeah, you're putting that, Yeah, of.

1080
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 2: Course, No, I'm talking about he gave me my business degree.

1081
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: I know. I mean, look, I'm still old enough to remember.

1082
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 2: Don't kick that shot at Mike because you know what

1083
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 2: what what he went to what he went to jail

1084
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 2: for his commonplace today?

1085
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: No, you're not wrong, You're not wrong. And he and

1086
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,640
Speaker 1: he paid his restitution. Okay, but yeah, but yeah, you know, look,

1087
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: I will defend my family, and.

1088
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 2: I will tell you this. Some people get bum wraps

1089
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: and they suck it up.

1090
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:04,000
Speaker 1: I fight.

1091
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: I fight.

1092
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: It sounds like that's what you think is missing in

1093
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, not the fighters.

1094
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: They don't know how to play in the sandbox dirt.

1095
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 2: Now do you have high expectations for Joe Biden or not? Well,

1096
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: you know, I was told that he was going to

1097
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 2: come to the center and he didn't. He got pulled

1098
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: to the left. Yeah, because I knew that man in

1099
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 2: his senatorial career and respected his work, even Receiver Shetty,

1100
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 2: it just became tone deaf. I used to work with

1101
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 2: Steve Shetty, and it's not the guy a new way

1102
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 2: back when I don't know what happens. So they started

1103
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: believing their own bullshit. I mean, it is what it is.

1104
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 2: And if you don't listen to your customers and become

1105
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 2: insular and in an echo chamber, you're only listening to yourself.

1106
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 2: If you don't win this race, what is your best

1107
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: explanation for it? Are all the people want the definition

1108
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 2: of insanity expecting a different result by doing the same things.

1109
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: So if you don't get if, you're not able to

1110
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: get into the top two. And I just love California

1111
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: system because I think if you were running at a

1112
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: traditional primary, you'd have no chance.

1113
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:23,320
Speaker 2: Oh, set, you are so right. I wouldn't even do it.

1114
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: I would do it chunk right.

1115
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: No, I know you have.

1116
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: I think your opportunity is sort of with disgrountled Democrats, Independents,

1117
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:34,440
Speaker 1: and maybe Republicans who realize that a Republican can't win statewide.

1118
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: I think is that your Is that your your sort

1119
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: of your group, that's the cases. Yes, no, and we

1120
01:05:41,560 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 2: are very sober about this and look at it. I

1121
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: mean look during the fires, I first of all, I

1122
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: did not go on air because I don't politicize disasters.

1123
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 2: I rolled up my sleeves and I you know, got

1124
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 2: in the street and delivered water and voaching bars and

1125
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 2: talk to people and just tried to help. And I

1126
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 2: continue too with Seanpenn and the likes, with Core and Alta,

1127
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: Dina and Palisades. And I've become an expert insurance. I

1128
01:06:08,760 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 2: really understand gap issues, rebuilding hard and costs because I'm

1129
01:06:12,360 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: a builder. Remember I'm a builder, so I have done

1130
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: this work. I understand law, I understand insurance. And I

1131
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 2: stopped fundraising like everyone else because I'm not going to

1132
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: ask people for money and I didn't want a fundraise.

1133
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: We did some till the end of the year, and

1134
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 2: we raised. We raised like a million dollars quickly. And

1135
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,439
Speaker 2: then I wanted to test everything again, Chuck, to see

1136
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 2: if there was a pathway and see what the people

1137
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 2: think of California. And there's a pathway. Twenty seven percent

1138
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 2: are very supportive, very fifty one percent are somewhat supportive.

1139
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,959
Speaker 2: So just there's a there there. Let us get out

1140
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 2: and let people hear our message, let them meet me,

1141
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 2: let me earn their trust, Chuck, and I'm in it

1142
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: to win it.

1143
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:06,480
Speaker 1: If Rick Caruso gets in, you guys are going to

1144
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: be chasing the same.

1145
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 2: We Look, we'll both kill each other if he does that.

1146
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 2: He was going to go spend a lot of money.

1147
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: Nor I'll do I'll watch him spend a lot of

1148
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 2: money because we both are going to die.

1149
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: So you do acknowledge that if he gets in, the

1150
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 1: two of you can't. Yeah, it's cannibalism. I've been told

1151
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: by Look, yeah, there's no fool now. I don't know

1152
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: if he gets it. I went to high school with him,

1153
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: he was a senior. I was in ninth grade. Okay,

1154
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: you've written him. If you've already given him a fundraising

1155
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: check for his campaign for mayor.

1156
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: I know he should know. And by the way, he'd

1157
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: be a great mayor. And I'd love to work side

1158
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: by side with him.

1159
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: Look, everybody whispering in his ear wants him to run

1160
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: for governor.

1161
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 2: Chuck. It's a dream team. If if he runs for mayor,

1162
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: we have Hawkman we've got Laurie, myself and him. California

1163
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: is a new place. If he runs for governor, he

1164
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 2: will not win. I will not win. And is it

1165
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 2: a standoff?

1166
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: You won't get out for him and he won't get

1167
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: out for you, vice versa.

1168
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 2: Buck No, all right, No, I beat him in speech

1169
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 2: of eight when I was in ninth grade. I'll just like,

1170
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: just watch him drain some dollars and you know, if

1171
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 2: he wants to be that vain and not already play

1172
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 2: the chess game in his head. Okay, seriously, he's a

1173
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 2: smart guy. He inherited money. I had to earn my money.

1174
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 2: It's different, you know, generationally, but look, we went to

1175
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: the same school. He's a great guy. He does a

1176
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 2: good thing. He's not an operator. He hasn't fixed broken,

1177
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 2: he builds new. It's totally different skill set. And he

1178
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: has not worked federally, nor state nor local. I mean,

1179
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,559
Speaker 2: they'll say that he's been appointed some local commissions. But

1180
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,799
Speaker 2: it's different when you're doing federal government, and it's different

1181
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:01,040
Speaker 2: when you're doing state government. I've been studying sick teen months, Chuck,

1182
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 2: I've invested sixteen months of learning. Talk to you about

1183
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 2: just every major proposition in the state. So you know, look,

1184
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: if he wants to do it, God bless him. If

1185
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 2: Miss Harris wants to do it, God bless her. I'm

1186
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 2: staying in my lane doing nothing, keep my head down

1187
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 2: and worrying about the customers California. And I know that

1188
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:24,120
Speaker 2: it's going to be a fun ride because I'm having

1189
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 2: fun every day.

1190
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that.

1191
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,559
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, I don't know what to tell you, because.

1192
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: I can look, you're the best. You're the as I

1193
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: joked with my friend Lee and Caldwell who did the

1194
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: piece on you and Puck, you're the best copy in

1195
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: the race, and that's that's usually step one and succeeding.

1196
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,120
Speaker 2: Well. I thank you, I'm great. I'm grateful for that comment.

1197
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 2: I'm honored by that comment. I humblieve and look, I

1198
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 2: will roll up my sleeves. But you know, you can't

1199
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 2: do what others like having their mind to do. I

1200
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,960
Speaker 2: just have only one goal in my mind is to

1201
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: make California the bully pulper of the United States, to

1202
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,799
Speaker 2: fix what's broken, to make it affordable, livable, and workable.

1203
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 2: And the results will prove that. I'm experienced. I feel comfortable.

1204
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 2: I don't need training wheels day one. I can drive

1205
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 2: the car. I choose good teams, I know where to go.

1206
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 2: So it's not it's not like Arnold, you know, it's different.

1207
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 2: It's like Arnold maybe a little more experienced. And I,

1208
01:10:29,400 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 2: with all due respect to him, I'm not really I'm

1209
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 2: not going to back.

1210
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: You know, if he jumped into this race tomorrow, he'd

1211
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 1: be the front runner, wouldn't he.

1212
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 2: Who Arnold?

1213
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he tried to run for another two terms. Another term.

1214
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, but you know, he's older and

1215
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 2: I see him and we work together with that.

1216
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think he wants to go through the

1217
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: personal stuff again and all that business.

1218
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: So I don't think he do. It's great life and

1219
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 2: you know his his children are fantastic, I know I

1220
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,719
Speaker 2: know his. But I do think his governorship is aged,

1221
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 2: is aging better? Yeah, you know, but we're having a

1222
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:09,320
Speaker 2: good time. Shock, I mean you are.

1223
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's the thing, and that's that's what the

1224
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: battle sometimes, and I want everyone to feel that that

1225
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 1: that riz that vibe yeah, I said riz and you

1226
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 1: said vibes. That's my only skepticism. I buy your theory

1227
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 1: that basically, hey, you know, at the party needs a

1228
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: little bravado. The party needs a little Trump. The only

1229
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: thing is what if people are so burned out on

1230
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 1: Trump that they don't want that personality again? Do you

1231
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 1: at all fear that that by twenty six he his

1232
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,799
Speaker 1: bravado has sort of ruined it for people like yourself.

1233
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: You know what, God help us. If we go to

1234
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 2: the boomerang back to Harris, we're dla that way. We're

1235
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 2: falling off a physical cliff right now. Well, there's got

1236
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 2: to be something in the hard metal.

1237
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: And I'm the hard battle.

1238
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 2: I'm not the hard right, I'm not the hard left.

1239
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm the hard middle. I just have bravado in the

1240
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 2: hard middle. And nobody's had bravado in the hard middle.

1241
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,799
Speaker 2: And by the way, Cruso is Cruso Republican, a Democrat

1242
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: or an independent? What is it?

1243
01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: And you think that's part of his problem. He's got

1244
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: an identity crisis, huh.

1245
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 2: Because you always have to be who you are, you know, No,

1246
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 2: Rick is nice guy. Rick is a liberal Republican. That's

1247
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 2: who Rick is. That's all his friends are. Go. Look

1248
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 2: who works with him, Mike Murphy, Joe Lonsdale. Come on,

1249
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 2: you are who you hang out with, right politically, that's true. Politically, socially, Chuck,

1250
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 2: it is true. You are who you hang out with.

1251
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 2: He's a liberal Republican, that's cool. He's a palm beach guy.

1252
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: He's a yacht guy San Diego. Huh, he's a who's

1253
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: got a bigger yacht.

1254
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,519
Speaker 1: This is what I mean is whatever happened to this race,

1255
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: whatever happens in this race. Uh, you're a reason for

1256
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:00,959
Speaker 1: people to be paying it, attention to it.

1257
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 2: It's going to be fun and you know what, it's

1258
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 2: going to be a good debate for the state of California.

1259
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 2: It's not going to be boring.

1260
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: Right.

1261
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 2: Ultimately, we get everyone's attention and we get people involved

1262
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 2: because we got to do this together. I can't do

1263
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:16,760
Speaker 2: this loan, we can't do it alone. We need to

1264
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: do it together. Well, I appreciate the time. Thanks Ben,

1265
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 2: Thanks right, Thank you, Steve, Bye bye. Well.

1266
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that interview. I told you Steve

1267
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:38,439
Speaker 1: Klubek's care get a clue.

1268
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 2: Huh.

1269
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: The puns right themselves. The point is, what incentive does

1270
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: he have to drop out? If Kamala Harris gets in,

1271
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 1: what incentive does Katie Porter have to drop out? She's

1272
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: got no other races to run for. What incentive does

1273
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: Antonio Vierre Goz I have to drop out? Now? The

1274
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: upside for Kamala Harris is that the more the more,

1275
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,479
Speaker 1: the merrier for her right, she will get one of

1276
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 1: those top two spots. But they're still going to be

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Speaker 1: a second candidate in there. And if the second candidate

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Speaker 1: is somebody to her left, like Katie Poorr, She'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: But if the second candidate is someone slightly to her

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Speaker 1: right or running more as an independent, and we still

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Speaker 1: have the potential for Rick Caruso to get into this thing.

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Speaker 1: And you heard how what Klubec thinks of Rick Caruso.

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Speaker 1: Thinks he'd make a great mayor terrible governor. That strikes

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Speaker 1: me as Klubec realizes he can't. He gets no traction

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Speaker 1: if somehow Rick Caruso gets into this thing. The point is,

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Speaker 1: I'm just going to tell you now, I'm not a Californian,

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Speaker 1: you know this. I'm a Floridian. But I think California

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Speaker 1: politics is going to have some incredible intrigue in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty six. And let me just say I'm there for it.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a good time. A few other

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Speaker 1: little notes here. You may have seen some news that

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Speaker 1: I have another show. If you will, what more could

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Speaker 1: you want then, Chuck Todd on YouTube. Right, well, check

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Speaker 1: out a new thing also for independent journalists called new

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Speaker 1: SPHEREO s p H E r E. It's an app.

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Speaker 1: It's basically similar to substack, but a bit more visual.

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Speaker 1: We got a lot of terrific international journalists out there again,

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Speaker 1: independent journalists, they own their own content. We're all in

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Speaker 1: this together on this app. I'm going to be doing

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Speaker 1: a Sunday evening program for them on the Newsphere app.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. You know, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: going to be you know, the one hallmark of the

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Speaker 1: show is going to be this, nobody's ever going to

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Speaker 1: be in a box, okay, you know where this is

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Speaker 1: one of those cases where we're going to it's going

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Speaker 1: to be in person conversations that you're going to be

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Speaker 1: going to be a witness to. So I think it'll

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Speaker 1: be a nice little pallette cleanser if you will, not

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Speaker 1: only for what I'm I'm doing on a day to

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Speaker 1: day basis with you guys here on audio and visual

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Speaker 1: and on YouTube, but also for sort of how the

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Speaker 1: Washington conversation space works, so I'm looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: I hope you check out Newsphere again. Independent journalists all

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Speaker 1: over the world some I think there's nobody who is

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Speaker 1: going to have a better set of international journalists than

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Speaker 1: Newsphere is. So if you really want to keep track

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Speaker 1: of hotspots around the world in particular, you know, we'll

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Speaker 1: do our best at Locke in Washington for our friends

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Speaker 1: at Newsphere. But I think I think you're going to

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Speaker 1: get You'll feel you'll get a lot out of it.

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Speaker 1: I promise you that.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's do a little last chuck as chuck.

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Speaker 1: First question comes from Bill C from Mountville, Pennsylvania. You know,

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Speaker 1: had it said Bill C from Westchester County, New York,

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Speaker 1: I might have thought it was that Bill See, but

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Speaker 1: it is not that Bill C. Unless he's got a

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Speaker 1: place in Mountville, Pennsylvania. He writes, this big fan of

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Speaker 1: the new podcast guide to hear you express some more

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Speaker 1: thoughts and opinions. I've suspected you've privately held. It's an

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Speaker 1: interesting way of putting it. Here's my question. I'm one

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Speaker 1: hundred percent in favor of your solution to fixing Congress

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Speaker 1: by making it more local. By making it larger. Colleges

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Speaker 1: and universities brag about their teacher to student ratio for reason.

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Speaker 1: I remember reading in Arthur Slessinger up ed arguing for

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Speaker 1: the idea of non renewable six year terms of office

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Speaker 1: for the executive although Slushnger argues against it. I've long

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Speaker 1: thought this would be a great step forward making the

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Speaker 1: executive branch more efficient and effective. Do you think this,

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Speaker 1: along with your congressional expansion idea, could make a big difference.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. I did a speech in front

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Speaker 1: of some folks visiting Washington earlier Wednesday morning, and somebody

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Speaker 1: asked me this very question about the six year term.

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Speaker 1: Should we have one six year term? Look, you know

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Speaker 1: that's been an idea that's brought up in Virginia. We

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Speaker 1: don't allow our governors to seek there's a one term limit.

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Speaker 1: We have two men. We have all these ex governors

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Speaker 1: with nothing to do. They go around, right, we have

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Speaker 1: a million of them here in Virginia, And there's been

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Speaker 1: some thought what if you had one six year term. Look,

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Speaker 1: I still think you'd have your lane duck status and

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Speaker 1: you'd still have your your different things. But I you know,

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Speaker 1: if you were doing all of these other fixes, including

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Speaker 1: what I would like to have, which is to take

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Speaker 1: away presidential appointment authority for for the UH, for the

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Speaker 1: Department of Justice, try to create more of a federal

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Speaker 1: reserve type of appointment system there where there'd be five

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Speaker 1: year terms, if you will, for sort of the top four.

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Speaker 1: If it was part of a whole series of reforms

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Speaker 1: that try to depoliticize some things, including intelligence, including the

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Speaker 1: rule of law, throw in that I could accept the

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Speaker 1: six year the one six year term. I just think

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Speaker 1: that the that the voters ought to be able to

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Speaker 1: say no to a president that they don't like them

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Speaker 1: after four years, right, So I think that that's this

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Speaker 1: idea that it would be just you'd have no recourse

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Speaker 1: other than the impeachment mechanism, which we I think have

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Speaker 1: shown is very difficult to make work. But I could,

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Speaker 1: you know, I could get behind it. I again, i'd

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Speaker 1: rather have a voter check on the executive once during

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Speaker 1: during an attempt on this. But at this point, once

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Speaker 1: you've put in the two term limit, what's the difference

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Speaker 1: between one six year term and two four year terms?

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Speaker 1: It it becomes semantics. I will say this, and you

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Speaker 1: talk to You talk to former presidents and they'll tell

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Speaker 1: you this, it takes two years to figure out the job. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's that way with governor too. This is why drives

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Speaker 1: the Virginia governor's crazy. It's like just when they're finally

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Speaker 1: getting the hang of the job, they have to give

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Speaker 1: it up. At least with president, just when you're getting

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Speaker 1: a hang of the job, you have to run for

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Speaker 1: reelection and improve you have a handle on this job.

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Speaker 1: So but you know, I'm not I'm not definitive on

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Speaker 1: this enough to truly say yes or no. I could

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Speaker 1: buy it if it went with other things. My gut, though,

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Speaker 1: is I want to have at least one voter check

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Speaker 1: at some point on a president. All right, The next

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Speaker 1: question comes from Adamo, doesn't say from parts unknown. Back

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Speaker 1: in one of my many college poly PSI courses, we

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Speaker 1: did some work with polling and how certain voting blocks

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Speaker 1: also watched the same TV shows, among many things. So

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Speaker 1: in one case, people who watched Doctor Quinn medicine women

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Speaker 1: tended to vote Democratic, people who watched Frasier tended to

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Speaker 1: vote Republican, and people who watch Friends were evenly split.

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Speaker 1: What funny are odd things like this have surprised you

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Speaker 1: or you found strange or interesting through the years on

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Speaker 1: what Democrats Republicans tended to prefer in non political things.

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Speaker 1: Ah boy, go back to some of my favorite data

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Speaker 1: downloads from my early Meet the Press years. I used

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Speaker 1: to love doing this data download. My friend Dante Chini,

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Speaker 1: who's a terrific analyst and demographer, does a lot of

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Speaker 1: work out of Michigan State. You'll hear him on this

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Speaker 1: podcast quite frequently over the next year and a half,

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Speaker 1: I promise you this. He and I used to have

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun noting, going back and forth noting

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Speaker 1: these things. So, for instance, in sports golf, viewers of

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Speaker 1: golf program viewers of golf more likely to be Republican.

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Speaker 1: That probably doesn't surprise you. Baseball Lean's republican, basketball, Leans Democrat, hockey,

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Speaker 1: Lean's republican football is the ultimate bipartisan sport. You know why,

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Speaker 1: because everybody loves the NFL. College football has a slight

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Speaker 1: right lean to it, which makes sense because where are

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Speaker 1: the most popular fan bases, Mostly in the South and

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Speaker 1: in the Midwest. Both of those areas lean lean Republican.

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Speaker 1: On the TV show front, I remember, you know, the

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Speaker 1: first time what really jumped out of me. When we

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Speaker 1: were really doing this micro targeting is if you remember

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Speaker 1: the show Duck Dynasty.

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Speaker 2: Look, you brought up Doctor.

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Speaker 1: Quinn Medicine Woman, so clearly you're in your forties at least,

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Speaker 1: because if you were doing that in college.

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Speaker 2: I think Doctor Quinn.

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Speaker 1: Medicine Woman is at least an early off show, if

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Speaker 1: not late nineties, has the whiff of CBS to it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I think that was an old CBS show anyway.

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Speaker 1: The Duck Dynasty, I remember it was one of those

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Speaker 1: shows that like barely registered a rating point in Los

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Speaker 1: Angeles and had super Bowl This is for its debut

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Speaker 1: episode during the height of its popularity, and had super

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Speaker 1: Bowl level audience numbers in Lafayette media market in Louisiana. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously they had a regional appeal. It also was a

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Speaker 1: program that leaned right. But I remember in the television space,

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Speaker 1: my favorite nugget you were asking for, my favorite one

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Speaker 1: that was not in the sports world was Walking Debt.

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Speaker 1: The single most bipartisan show was The Walking Debt. Democrats

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Speaker 1: an equal amount of Democrats and Republicans. It was in

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Speaker 1: its heyday when it was peak, when people when it

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Speaker 1: was when you were watching it on AMC before you

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Speaker 1: were figuring out how to stream it on Netflix, right

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Speaker 1: when it was at its peak. It was that show

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Speaker 1: that drew from both sides, so it was a very

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Speaker 1: popular show to advertise on. And it actually makes sense, right.

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Speaker 1: I think you had your Republican your conservatives like the

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Speaker 1: self reliance, the survival instincts of it. I think the

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Speaker 1: left saw it as you know, the ability to remake civilizations,

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Speaker 1: the utopia part of it. However you want to look

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Speaker 1: at it.

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Speaker 2: I always thought that's why I enjoyed the show.

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Speaker 1: I felt like I was sort of watching how how

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Speaker 1: essentially humans invented the idea of politics. I always like

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Speaker 1: to say we invented politics so we could settle disputes

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Speaker 1: without violence, and Walking Dead reminded us that, hey, a

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Speaker 1: lot of disputes you were settled with violence before we

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Speaker 1: ever figured out how to do them in some sort

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Speaker 1: of rational way that didn't include violence, which we now

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Speaker 1: today call politics.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll do one more.

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Speaker 1: Question, and then I got to go, in case you're wondering,

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Speaker 1: I got to go finish a meal here for my family,

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Speaker 1: finish making a meal.

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Speaker 2: Last question comes from Nicole m.

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Speaker 1: Again, parts of unknown, but if you're willing to tell

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Speaker 1: me where you're from, I'd love to to say that.

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Speaker 1: I view myself as unaffiliate. So I appreciated that your

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Speaker 1: interviews include both Republicans and Democrats. Today you've interviewed more

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Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans. Feel free to fact check me I have.

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Speaker 1: I want. My goal is to over time that it

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Speaker 1: levels out. But let's just say I think Democrats have

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Speaker 1: a bit more time on their hands to talk to

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Speaker 1: me these days the Republicans do. Here's the question, do

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Speaker 1: you find it harder to get Republicans for an interview

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Speaker 1: out of fear they will answer something wrong? Thinking about

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Speaker 1: Lisa Murkowski's warning from a few weeks ago about fear

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Speaker 1: of retaliation. If you could choose one person interview on

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Speaker 1: your podcast, who would it be. Well, look, Lisa Murkowski

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Speaker 1: is my white whale. I've been trying to get her

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Speaker 1: come on Meet the Press. She does not do national interviews.

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Speaker 1: She's very careful with her media. But I'm hoping that

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Speaker 1: this format, longer form thirty to forty five minutes is

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Speaker 1: a better space for someone like her. I hope she

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Speaker 1: will take me up on it, because I think that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to provide here, and you've is that

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Speaker 1: in a thirty to forty five minute when you're having

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Speaker 1: an intimate conversation where you're listening with your headphones, you

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Speaker 1: know you're not going to have this type of screaming

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Speaker 1: matches that sometimes take place when people are talking to

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Speaker 1: each other in remote or performative crap that you see

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Speaker 1: on cable tis in primetime these days. And so that

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Speaker 1: the more I think people see that that's what we're

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Speaker 1: doing here, I think the more popular this format is

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Speaker 1: going to be for the serious people in politics. So

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Speaker 1: you know that's but you're not wrong. Right. In the

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Speaker 1: Trump era in general, it is tough to get a

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Speaker 1: Republican to come on because of fear, because they've they've

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Speaker 1: got I had one senator admit the following to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say which one was an off the record.

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Speaker 1: He says, you know somebody who used to do my

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Speaker 1: show a lot then stopped doing it. And I said,

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Speaker 1: how come you know? Come on? You know I don't bite,

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Speaker 1: and he goes, he goes, you ask very fair questions,

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Speaker 1: he says, but it just whatever answer I give, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have somebody chewing at me, and he goes, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot easier for me to manage my politics if

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Speaker 1: I do less media. So they just do less media.

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Speaker 1: And this is what's unhealthy, is you have a lot

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Speaker 1: of elected officials just not being transparent about what they're thinking,

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Speaker 1: what they're doing, and we're all losing because of this.

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Speaker 1: But it's true, I mean, the Trump protectors on social media,

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Speaker 1: just by the way Obama had it. If you had

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Speaker 1: the Kamala had her own hive, right, Biden had his protectors,

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Speaker 1: They're they're vicious and and I think particularly on the

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Speaker 1: Trump side, you know, if you're out of line, you

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Speaker 1: could you might be out of your career, might be over.

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Speaker 1: And so I do think it is. It has made

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Speaker 1: it a lot tougher for some and so that's why

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Speaker 1: I'm more likely to have formers as my Republican guests

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Speaker 1: than currents. If you will, right, it's a lot. I

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Speaker 1: think former Republicans feel freer, they have less to lose.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's a bit of a challenge. But for

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Speaker 1: my Republican friends out there that are listening, the elected

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Speaker 1: official friends that I know do listen to this show.

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Speaker 1: People want to hear from you. This isn't I don't bite.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, you know, as

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Speaker 1: the phrase says, the truth still set you free. Don't

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Speaker 1: be afraid of it. Come on in. I'd love to

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Speaker 1: have you all right. Right with that, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: take a twenty four hour break. We'll upload again in

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours. But until then, I hope you, hope

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Speaker 1: you like subscribe by the way of a new Substack

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Speaker 1: newsletter every Tuesday. It's going to drop, So do take

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Speaker 1: a look at that. Actually you've been listening to the podcast,

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Speaker 1: you'll enjoy how we took some of the lessons we've

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Speaker 1: taken from our democratic guests recently and turned it into

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Speaker 1: a fascinating analysis piece on Beyond.

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Speaker 2: The Pod, my free Substack newsletter. And with that, I

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Speaker 2: got no more plugs.

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Speaker 1: I'll see you next time.