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Speaker 1: Good morning.

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Speaker 2: I'm Doug Prisner and I'm Brian Curtis. Here are the

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Speaker 2: stories we're following today. Minutes from the fed's June meeting

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Speaker 2: revealed that officials were somewhat less united than their unanimous

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Speaker 2: decision had suggested. Some participants indicated that they favored a

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Speaker 2: move to leave policy unchanged. Those favoring high excited, tight

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Speaker 2: slowing towards that goal of two percent. Now, traders are

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Speaker 2: betting that the FED will likely hike rates in the

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Speaker 2: meeting later this month. Heard from Evercore ISI founder Ed Hyman.

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Speaker 3: At this point, the one more is baked in the Kate.

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Speaker 3: I think anything from now is a mistake. They're just

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Speaker 3: creating a deeper recession or the more likelihood of a recession.

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Speaker 3: But at five and a quarter, with the banial at

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Speaker 2: FED officials will get to analyze two key US economic

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Speaker 2: reports before the next decision. We'll get the June employment

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Speaker 2: report on Friday and readings on consumer prices on July twelfth.

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Speaker 2: The FED meets next on July twenty fifth and twenty sixth.

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Speaker 1: Well, US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen will be visiting China

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Speaker 1: at a time when tensions between Beijing and Washington are

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Speaker 1: very high. We have more from Bloomberg's and Kates.

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Speaker 4: Yellen's goal is to find common economic ground and open

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Speaker 4: communication channels between the US and China, and it's the

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Speaker 4: first major test of a policy she outlined in April

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Speaker 4: that is geared toward defending US national security without trying

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Speaker 4: to hold China back economically. Yellen's trip comes days after

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Speaker 4: China imposed restrictions on exporting two medals that are crucial

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Speaker 4: to key technology industries, and a mission comes exactly five

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Speaker 4: years after the Trump administration imposed tariffs on the first

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Speaker 4: goods from China. In Washington and Kates Bloomberg Day Break Asia.

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Speaker 2: The People's Bank of China is mixing its muscles on

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Speaker 5: The commentary in the PBOC backed Financial News says China

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Speaker 5: It's part of a campaign to reassure investors. The tools

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Speaker 5: include the Ford Exchange Risk Reserves ratio, banks FX deposit

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Speaker 5: in determining the pboc's daily reference rate. The Chinese currency

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Speaker 5: has recently slid towards as weak as level in fifteen

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Speaker 5: I'm von Mann Bloomberg Day Breakasia.

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Speaker 1: We go to Ali Baba next. The company is looking

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Speaker 1: to work with its home province of Jijeong to develop

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Speaker 1: artificial intelligence and the digital economy. Ali Baba's CEO Daniel Joan,

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Speaker 1: saying that digital economy has entered a new age with

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Speaker 1: Baba wants to help build Chijiong into a world class

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Speaker 1: of official backing for Ali Baba's efforts, and that may

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Speaker 2: Brian Well Back in the United States, there are signs

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Speaker 2: completed second quarter. That story from Bloomberg's Tom Busby.

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Speaker 6: After a few rough years, the auto industry is now back.

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Speaker 6: All the major automakers posting their June and second quarter

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Speaker 6: Motors up nearly nineteen percent from a year ago, on

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Speaker 6: that with its second quarter figures on Thursday, I'm Tom

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Speaker 6: Buzby Bloomberg Daybreak Asia.

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Speaker 2: Doug. I don't know if the auto market can serve

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Speaker 1: we know. I think we can agree, Brian that the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think finding common ground is easy

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Speaker 1: Interesting comment from David Loveinger today over TCW. He was saying,

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Speaker 2: now it's time for global news. US President Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: expressing his full support of Sweden for NATO admission at

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Speaker 7: Ed'll right, Brian Wright at their bilateral meeting today at

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Speaker 7: the White House, Biden expressing that support you mentioned, and

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Speaker 7: reported today that China's President Jihiping personally warned Russian President

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Speaker 7: a row now, measures used by climatologists say the record

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Speaker 7: for hottest day ever recorded on Earth has been broken

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Speaker 2: Hi, Brian Curtis in Hong Kong, alongside Rashad silamat. Our

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Speaker 2: guest is Chuck Camello, President and CEO at Essex Financial Services.

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Speaker 2: Chuck in looking at the US economy, We've seen a

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Speaker 11: I think that what you just described is what we've

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Speaker 11: a more broadening of the market, which generally should be

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Speaker 12: Mean, there was very little breadth in the markets. I

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Speaker 12: Well, Chuck, I mean, you know, this is the conundrum

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Speaker 11: Surely, No, that's one hundred percent correct. That is the

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Speaker 2: Let's switch to another discussion US China. There's a lot

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Speaker 11: I think it's good that it's happening, but these issues

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Speaker 3: Jack.

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Speaker 11: I think it's I think it's incredibly important, and to

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Speaker 11: It's I think it's the biggest It's absolutely the biggest

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Speaker 2: Okay, thirty second elevator pitch, give me your number one

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Speaker 11: Boy, So I would say. I would say the number

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