WEBVTT - Telepathy Tapes Creator Ky Dickens Reveals Shocking NEW Evidence on the Link Between Telepathy and Non-Speakers with Autism

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<v Speaker 2>It was remarkable to be in that room and see

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<v Speaker 2>someone reading someone else's mind over and over and over again.

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<v Speaker 3>When you see it, you can't unsee it.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the best remote viewers was the Burbank Police Chief.

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<v Speaker 2>Cia was in his office and saw that he had

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<v Speaker 2>like marked on the map where submarines were.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's alarming. How did you listen to the telepathy tapes?

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<v Speaker 1>Non speaking children on the autism spectrum are able to

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<v Speaker 1>read the minds of people.

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<v Speaker 3>It is mind blowing. Have you heard the Telepathy Tapes?

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that you go listen to these tapes.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to watch a mind blowing documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to see this. Hi is the host of

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<v Speaker 1>a new podcast series called The Telepathy Tapes.

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<v Speaker 3>Please welcome, Kai Dickens.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you describe or explain what telepathy actually means?

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<v Speaker 2>Telepathy historically is reading someone's mind. You know exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>they're thinking. That's what I thought this was at first.

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<v Speaker 2>Parents started saying right away, this isn't just your telepathy.

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<v Speaker 2>We think we might be sharing a consciousness or no

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<v Speaker 2>languages that they've never learned. Well, how is that possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Or tell the future and accurately predict something that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. The amount of messages parents were telling me

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<v Speaker 2>that they were receiving from the other side through their

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<v Speaker 2>child was wild. I think we are working with consciousness

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<v Speaker 2>coming in from somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>What have you found in your research looking at animal intelepathy?

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<v Speaker 2>That is a beautiful element to this. There are mental

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<v Speaker 2>fields around certain animals.

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<v Speaker 1>As you can ask you about the connection between dreams

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<v Speaker 1>and telepathy. Has there been any connection there? The Number

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<v Speaker 1>one Health and Well Inness podcast Jay sheety Ja shetty Ly. Hey, everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to On Purpose, the place you've come to

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<v Speaker 1>become happier, healthier and more healed. Today's guest is someone

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm really excited to talk about. These are the themes,

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<v Speaker 1>be having, need to be having as humanity, and they

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<v Speaker 1>push us forward. They challenge us, they maybe make us

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<v Speaker 1>feel uncomfortable, but they propel our thinking forward. And today's

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<v Speaker 1>guest is none other than Kai Dickens, an award winning,

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<v Speaker 1>acclaimed filmmaker and podcast host known for diving into complex

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<v Speaker 1>social issues spark change. Kai is the host of The

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<v Speaker 1>Telepathy Tapes, which is a new podcast going absolutely viral.

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<v Speaker 1>If you don't know about it, I don't know where

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<v Speaker 1>you've been. Kai digs into the incredible abilities of non

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<v Speaker 1>speaking individuals with autism, uncovering mind blowing stories of telepathy

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<v Speaker 1>beyond different dimensions. The series invites viewers to challenge their

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<v Speaker 1>ways and rethink what communication really means and what the

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<v Speaker 1>human mind is truly capable of. Please welcome to On Purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>Kai Dickens. Kai. Thank you so much for being here.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so nice to meet you. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to dive straight in. And the question I want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask Kai before we get into it is who were

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<v Speaker 1>you before you dove into the Telepathy tapes, before you

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<v Speaker 1>dove into this work. Tell me a bit about who

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<v Speaker 1>you were, what you believed, what you valued, and what

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<v Speaker 1>your system of thinking was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a social justice filmmaker, so I was working

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<v Speaker 2>on documentaries that were really diving into complex socialis issues

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<v Speaker 2>right to drive change, so whether that was healthcare access

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<v Speaker 2>or paid family leave, affordability and access, just things like

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<v Speaker 2>this that were not in the spiritual realm at all.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've always been very curious. I've always been a seeker.

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<v Speaker 2>I've always had a deeply spiritual side of myself that

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit gun shy around organized religion because I've

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<v Speaker 2>also seen the pain that's caused. But I was just

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<v Speaker 2>plowing forward with doc films that I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>make a difference around and the Celepathy tapes. Entering that

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<v Speaker 2>world and being immersed in the lives of non speakers

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<v Speaker 2>for the past three and a half years has completely

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<v Speaker 2>altered me. Every fiber of me, and it's made me

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<v Speaker 2>see the world entirely differently.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you tell us how you first discovered it, because,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, your work was somewhat different to what

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<v Speaker 1>this is now, and I want to know how it

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<v Speaker 1>first came across your table.

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<v Speaker 2>So as a documentary filmmaker, what often happens is before

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<v Speaker 2>you even get funding for a project, you might be

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<v Speaker 2>working and researching and immersed in this world for two

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<v Speaker 2>I mean for months, if not years, right, and so

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<v Speaker 2>you have to really love what you're looking at and

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<v Speaker 2>right in between. After my last film, I had just

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<v Speaker 2>moved to California, was trying to figure out what I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to do next, and then I lost to

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<v Speaker 2>very good friends in the prime of their lives, like

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<v Speaker 2>the type of people that you know they lost, they

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<v Speaker 2>left kids behind, just unbelievable people.

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<v Speaker 3>And I had a friends stop by to bring flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's not deeply religious, she's just very well read,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would say she's spiritual. And she said to me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're just right here. And I'm like, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you mean, they're just right here? And she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just right here, And I thought, how can you

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<v Speaker 2>say that with such conviction?

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<v Speaker 3>And she said, you just start reading.

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<v Speaker 2>If you start reading, you'll see that all the material

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<v Speaker 2>is out there around where we're going, what we're doing,

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<v Speaker 2>what this all means. A lot of research has been done.

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<v Speaker 2>She knew I had kind of had a science mind,

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<v Speaker 2>and she goes, so just start looking. So I made

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<v Speaker 2>a commitment at that moment. Okay, I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing next for my next project, which I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be a film at the time, but

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, I want to answer these big questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want it to be about social issues in

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<v Speaker 2>America anymore. I want it to be about human issues

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<v Speaker 2>and why we're here and what we're doing this all means.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I was trying to figure out where are my friends?

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<v Speaker 2>And I started diving into books about animal consciousness, plant communication,

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<v Speaker 2>Ian Stevenson's work around reincarnation, and children and was reading

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<v Speaker 2>everything I could get my hands on. And that also

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<v Speaker 2>included listening to some podcasts. And there's one I loved

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<v Speaker 2>called The Cosmos and You, and they had an interview

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor Diane Hennessey Powell, who was a neuroscientist JOHNS.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopkins educated Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd worked at Harvard, who had been studying widespread claims

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<v Speaker 2>of telepathy in non speakers with autism, and something hit

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<v Speaker 2>me like a lightning bolt. And I always feel, I

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<v Speaker 2>deeply believe that as something is intended for you, it

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<v Speaker 2>won't miss you. And in that moment, I just thought,

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<v Speaker 2>this is whatever is here, this is it, this has

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<v Speaker 2>the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think part of.

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<v Speaker 2>It too was my brother's high functioning on the spectrum.

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that I know, just my own experience

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<v Speaker 2>with autism is this sense of telling the truth. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of jockeying for ego driven purposes.

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<v Speaker 2>There tends to be a deep truth telling, which is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the most beautiful things I think about autism

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<v Speaker 2>and some respects. And so I felt the messengers in

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<v Speaker 2>this case are the most trustworthy and unassuming.

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<v Speaker 3>So that kind of led me down this path.

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<v Speaker 1>Had you always felt that way about all your projects

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<v Speaker 1>before as well? That there was always this very.

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<v Speaker 2>Clear I think most of my films that are self driven,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there are some that are work for hire,

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<v Speaker 2>someone just has you directed, but the ones that I

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<v Speaker 2>generate tend to be deeply personal, deeply specific. I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to answer or heal something, but There were two films

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<v Speaker 2>that I've made where I remember or projects where I

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<v Speaker 2>would actually start praying through it, like if I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to die, just please let me get to the finish

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<v Speaker 2>line of this, because I'm intended to do this. If

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<v Speaker 2>I don't make it, then it just feels so big.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was one of those. There was two my life,

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<v Speaker 2>and the first was my first film, Fish out of Water.

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<v Speaker 3>In this one, well.

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<v Speaker 1>To describe for someone who doesn't know anything about this,

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<v Speaker 1>how would you describe or explain what telepathy actually means?

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<v Speaker 3>Telepathy historically is right reading some of mind.

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<v Speaker 2>You know exactly what they're thinking, so or you could

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<v Speaker 2>hear their thoughts as though someone was speaking in And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I thought this was at first, and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought there could be a scientific explanation around the You

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<v Speaker 2>know when often a site is a muted other senses heightened,

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<v Speaker 2>and in.

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<v Speaker 3>This case, it feels a lot deeper.

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<v Speaker 2>And in fact, a lot of the parents started saying

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<v Speaker 2>right away, this isn't just sheer telepathy. We think we

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<v Speaker 2>might be sharing a consciousness or there's some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>merging going on. It feels deeper and much more complex

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<v Speaker 2>and simple mind reading.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, And is it mind reading their feeling everything from

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<v Speaker 1>as I've heard and seen of like numbers and places

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<v Speaker 1>and letters, or is it also emotions and feelings and

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<v Speaker 1>what are we seeing that spectrum there?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think you know again it depends on

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<v Speaker 2>the individual. But from a lot of the non speakers

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<v Speaker 2>I've met, I'd say the gift could be varied. There

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<v Speaker 2>are some parents who will say, my child will know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what I'm doing during the day when they're at school.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll know what I'm thinking, where, when, who I met with,

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<v Speaker 2>and what is that? That's not to lucky, that's something bigger, right.

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<v Speaker 2>There's some parents who say, if I one of my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite stories is one of the non speakers once you

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<v Speaker 2>start communicatings knew all the things there was to know

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<v Speaker 2>about Harry Potter or different books. And the parents thought

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<v Speaker 2>how And this individual said, I read them through my

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<v Speaker 2>sister's mind when she was reading them, and so just

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<v Speaker 2>really fascinating things. Is that mind reading or is it

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<v Speaker 2>like fully? And then there's been teachers who say, my

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<v Speaker 2>students have said that they can see through my eyes

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<v Speaker 2>or hear through my ears, and it feels as though

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<v Speaker 2>when they might be using my neurology in some way

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<v Speaker 2>because their neurology is unreliable. It's helpful and grounding to

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<v Speaker 2>utilize mine. And so I'm just telling you what other

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<v Speaker 2>people have told me, and the reports are varied and wide.

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<v Speaker 2>But something I've heard from many teachers in particular or

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<v Speaker 2>parents is that like, sometimes the thought will occur and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, well, where did that thought even generate? Which

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<v Speaker 2>makes you wonder like is it coming? Is consciousness coming

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<v Speaker 2>from a different place and we're tapping into it together.

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<v Speaker 2>The parents and teachers who are in this world, they

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<v Speaker 2>just have so many questions like what is this? Because

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<v Speaker 2>it does feel bigger than typical I'm reading your mind telepathy?

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<v Speaker 1>So dwait, did you reach out to doctor Powell? How

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<v Speaker 1>did that go?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I reach out to doctor Powell and I said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm a filmmaker, I'm very interested in what you've been uncovering.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to get to know you.

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<v Speaker 2>We did a few zoom calls and then I flew

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<v Speaker 2>up to meet her, and it was wonderful because one

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<v Speaker 2>of the first things I did is I wanted to see, like,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the scope of this? And I asked if she

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't mind reading some emails off from parents, and of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you know hippolaws.

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<v Speaker 3>She can't show me the names.

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<v Speaker 2>But I saw in her inbox like the folder of

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<v Speaker 2>so many emails from parents, and I thought, good grief,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like really big, and.

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<v Speaker 3>She started reading some of the emails.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course, I think anyone walking into this has

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<v Speaker 2>a healthy dose of skepticism. I mean, telepathy seems like

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<v Speaker 2>a superpower, and the Spider Man movie doesn't feel real

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<v Speaker 2>and so but these parents, one after the other, were saying, look,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't believe my wife, and I tested this myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm a doctor, so I couldn't fathom this. But

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<v Speaker 2>this is real, this is happening, And so many emails

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<v Speaker 2>from people like that. It's not that they were and believing.

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<v Speaker 2>They were coming to doctor Powell with their own questions

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<v Speaker 2>around how is this possible? Can someone answer this for me?

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<v Speaker 2>And they were coming in from all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point I realized that like the only place

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<v Speaker 2>these people had right now was doctor Powell's inbox, that

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<v Speaker 2>most of them hadn't ever met each other, and it

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<v Speaker 2>felt like the strings weren't being tied together yet, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and doctor Powell has her own practice, like she's a

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<v Speaker 2>researcher and scientist. It just felt like this was so

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<v Speaker 2>much bigger than honestly either of us, and certainly the families.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I started meeting some of the families. Doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Powell introduced me to a few, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>find one that she'd never met before, never tested to

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<v Speaker 2>test myself. So same thing like it's hard to believe,

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<v Speaker 2>and I wanted to not to pick the place. I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to bring my own cues, set it up, make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that we covered anything reflective so that we could

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<v Speaker 2>test this and see if it bears out. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was remarkable to be in that room and see someone

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<v Speaker 2>reading someone else's mind over and over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>to the point within like an hour we were like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not boring, but just like it became okay,

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<v Speaker 2>she could do it cool, like let's try this, let's

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<v Speaker 2>try this, let's you know, just kept kind of pushing

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<v Speaker 2>the envelope, and this young girl Mia could read her

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<v Speaker 2>mom's mind. Anything we showed her mom, she could tell you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And then I have more families and more

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<v Speaker 2>families and kept seeing it over and over and over

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<v Speaker 2>again to the point where now. I'm like, well, that's

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<v Speaker 2>self evident, and I think the parents are there too,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not. They're like, we don't need anyone to prove

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<v Speaker 2>this is happening. We need to know why this is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>That's their question. Yeah, how would these parents discovering it

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place? What was there? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think to me is like the most

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful and part of the stories.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really based in love.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, for so many of these parents, they have

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<v Speaker 2>children that are diagnosed with something that is often like

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<v Speaker 2>very hope stealing in terms of the diagnosis, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think often there's doctors telling them your child will never

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<v Speaker 2>be competent, won't learn beyond this certain level, they might

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<v Speaker 2>not connect with you, they won't ever speak, And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think these parents are given much hope. And to

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<v Speaker 2>love someone without getting a lot of you know, physical

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<v Speaker 2>or verbal feedback around like I love you, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>back is very difficult. So it's the ultimate sacrifice these

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<v Speaker 2>parents are making. And so many of them have been

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<v Speaker 2>told again their child will never speak. And somewhere along

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<v Speaker 2>the line, most of them, people at least that we've featured,

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<v Speaker 2>have discovered spelling to communicate which is a method for

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<v Speaker 2>non speakers to communicate by pointing to letters. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>a gross motor skill, whereas talking is a fine motor skill.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you can't talk, it's okay if you can point.

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<v Speaker 2>Often these parents would see this and think that's not

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<v Speaker 2>my kid, because my kid is still you know, banging

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<v Speaker 2>their head against the wall or maybe even smearing feces,

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<v Speaker 2>just really difficult behaviors, and these parents are thinking, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no way it's my kid, often like the deepest leap

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<v Speaker 2>of hope, not wanting to have your heart broken again.

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<v Speaker 2>And these parents would try bring their child to learn

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<v Speaker 2>to spell, and it's often time consuming and such sacrifice

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<v Speaker 2>and such practice, and their child get there. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>a point which is called getting open on the board

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<v Speaker 2>where you're not just answering a yes or no question

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<v Speaker 2>or filling in a blank, where you start driving the

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<v Speaker 2>conversation yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>And when these children became open.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty soon thereafter, they started saying things are about being

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<v Speaker 2>able to read minds or knowing what their parent is thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course when you first hear that, there's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of that like oh wait, wait really, and what happened

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<v Speaker 2>in most of these cases that the parents would do

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<v Speaker 2>some tests and do their own experiments and then end

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<v Speaker 2>up with a ton of questions search about this on

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<v Speaker 2>the internet. Up until now, there's nothing about it out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and usually they would find doctor Powell.

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<v Speaker 1>Did doctor Powell ever explain why this specifically existed for

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<v Speaker 1>non speakers?

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<v Speaker 2>No. But I think what a lot of parents believe,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think teachers too, is that most of the

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<v Speaker 2>non speakers that were featuring have apraxia, which is where

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<v Speaker 2>your mind and body are not connected. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>have a praxia control your behaviors, that doesn't get you

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<v Speaker 2>very far. Because that's a big thing. I want people

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<v Speaker 2>take aways like, this is not about autism. I never

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it as being about autism. It's about a

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<v Speaker 2>praxia and not being connected to your body. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the that's the thing that's missing. And in fact, a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of parents are like, I don't think I could autism.

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<v Speaker 2>We have this big wide tent of how we diagnose this,

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<v Speaker 2>and people say it's autism, but no, it's a praxia

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<v Speaker 2>and that's the mind by disconnect. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>it is like the diagnosis could be totally wrong too,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I realized, Okay, this isn't just like

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<v Speaker 2>a telepathy thing, this isn't about a biological heightened sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt to me and this is why I landed,

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<v Speaker 2>is that this is a spiritual gift and it's a

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a bouquet of them that for some reason,

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<v Speaker 2>the non speaking individuals with a praxia the mind body

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<v Speaker 2>disconnect seem easier to tap into. Then during COVID, they

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<v Speaker 2>had to self teach their children at home, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they were shocked at how much their kid knew. But

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<v Speaker 2>no one ever spent the time to because these a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the teachers might not have thought these people

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<v Speaker 2>are in there either. So COVID was a huge motivator

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of these changes when where parents saw

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<v Speaker 2>my kid is in there NI can spell.

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<v Speaker 1>Has there been any examples of any parents who weren't

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<v Speaker 1>communicating with their non speakers And then maybe through your

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<v Speaker 1>work or doctor powers work kind of become aware of

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<v Speaker 1>this and then tried to experiment and experience where they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize that they speaking child could talk to them

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<v Speaker 1>in this way by spelling for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've had our inbox has been the most

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<v Speaker 2>delightfully joyful thing because so many of the emails we're

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<v Speaker 2>getting is our people being like, I did not ever

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<v Speaker 2>think my child could spell. I didn't think they're in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I heard these other stories of parents who

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<v Speaker 2>felt the same way. And now I'm getting my child

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<v Speaker 2>to spell. But the best ones are I mean, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not the best ones, they're all the best. But another

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<v Speaker 2>really fun thing that we're getting our videos from parents

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<v Speaker 2>saying my child is spelling. I never thought in a

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<v Speaker 2>million years are a helpathics. So then I started doing tests,

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<v Speaker 2>and we tested with four numbers and here's the video.

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<v Speaker 3>They could do it.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's nine numbers and they could do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>here's twenty two numbers and they could do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>so those are really fun that parents are suddenly doing

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<v Speaker 2>like telepity tests with their kids. And then the other

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<v Speaker 2>thing that's really beautiful is there's parents who, having listened

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<v Speaker 2>to the Fluppity tapes, I think their children realize, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>my parent has opened to this. Just like you, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to go talk about something to someone if

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<v Speaker 2>you think they're going to judge you or be scared

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<v Speaker 2>of you or whatever. So what we're hearing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground from parents and teachers. Is that because

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<v Speaker 2>they listened, the non speaking student or nephew or child

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<v Speaker 2>in their life suddenly feels safe saying, hey, I can

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<v Speaker 2>do this too, or here's what's up, or here's all

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<v Speaker 2>of me. Let me invite you in. And they've said

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<v Speaker 2>that the world has just expanded in this beautiful way,

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<v Speaker 2>knowing that that like it's a safe space now to

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<v Speaker 2>be fully who you are, which includes those gifts for

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<v Speaker 2>some nonspeakers.

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<v Speaker 1>So up until now, what kind of responses of those

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<v Speaker 1>questions met.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if science has like fully done all

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<v Speaker 2>the reason they haven't done any research on this really

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<v Speaker 2>yet to my I mean, that's not true. There's been

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<v Speaker 2>telepathy research and PI research and precognition research that's been

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<v Speaker 2>happening for a long time which is pretty conclusive. And however,

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<v Speaker 2>the gifts of the non speakers, I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>a new frontier for science. And that's one of the

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<v Speaker 2>ethical things that I think everyone needs to consider greatly,

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<v Speaker 2>is like how do we research this?

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<v Speaker 3>Because what I have found and if.

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<v Speaker 2>You think of like a Jane goodall right, like the

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<v Speaker 2>way she did science is she'd go spend time for months,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with the chimps until she finally observed what

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<v Speaker 2>their life was really like because she immersed herself in it, right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, if you're going to go watch a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful lightning bug sinking up in nature, you wouldn't bring

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<v Speaker 2>them into a lab.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd go and watch and immerse.

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<v Speaker 2>And my plea is that scientists will take off their

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<v Speaker 2>lab coats, pick up a letter board, learn how to

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<v Speaker 2>do this, immerse themselves with a non speaker, and they

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<v Speaker 2>will see and experience and can ask the questions because

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<v Speaker 2>I think the non speakers have a lot to offer

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<v Speaker 2>and they can talk about this themselves what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>But I've been hearing a lot of chatter online about

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<v Speaker 2>like put them in a far day to cage and

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<v Speaker 2>put them in two separate rooms and do this, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, I don't know if that's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the most beautiful, helpful, empowering way to research this.

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<v Speaker 1>I do appreciate your insight on immersive observation, especially. I

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<v Speaker 1>like your analogy of thinking about it as if you're

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<v Speaker 1>watching something in nature and you have to see it

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<v Speaker 1>in its own space and its own habitat and its

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<v Speaker 1>own environment where it naturally functions and isn't put into

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<v Speaker 1>this space. And I've always felt and known that there's

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<v Speaker 1>so much more that we're capable of that we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>How do we draw the difference and distinction between this

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<v Speaker 1>and intuition and some of the other things that we

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<v Speaker 1>may be more familiar with as a society. How is

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<v Speaker 1>this so different?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think it is different.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that all of these things which you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have learned are called sigh abilities PSI, I think

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<v Speaker 2>come from the same place. And in the telepathy tapes

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<v Speaker 2>in episode six, we really look at the science and

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<v Speaker 2>how our world has been understood, and everything is this

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<v Speaker 2>framework of what we call materialism, this idea that what's

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<v Speaker 2>real is what can be observed and measured, and materialism

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<v Speaker 2>has dictated our thinking for centuries, and most of materialism

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<v Speaker 2>is right. I don't think it's wrong. We shouldn't throw

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<v Speaker 2>away our textbooks entirely. However, at the very tippy top

0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.520
<v Speaker 2>of you know, after you have physiology and biology and

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<v Speaker 2>psychology and all the things that make up our material world.

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<v Speaker 2>At the tippy top right now, we've consciousness, and no

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<v Speaker 2>one knows where it comes from and why it's there.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I think the theory that many people before

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<v Speaker 2>me have put forth and then I believe it. So

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<v Speaker 2>I put this forth in the selepty tapes, is that

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<v Speaker 2>consciousness isn't at the top of the pyramid of our world.

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<v Speaker 3>It's at the bottom. It's fundamental. It comes first.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean everything in this office was a thought first,

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<v Speaker 2>none of it was real, and then the thought came after.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if you think about it that way, and

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<v Speaker 2>that consciousness is fundamental, then telepathy, siabilities, precognition, mediumship, all

0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:41.520
<v Speaker 2>these things that seem like woo a little wooby wooby

0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:47.200
<v Speaker 2>all makes sense because our truest truth is non physical.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you define consciousness in that context?

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<v Speaker 2>It is the foundation. Consciousness came first and the whole

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<v Speaker 2>physical world came after. It's not that the physical world

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<v Speaker 2>came first and consciousness came after. And if we just

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<v Speaker 2>invert the try trying gole, keep everything else the same

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<v Speaker 2>in the materialist world, just put the consciousness from the

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<v Speaker 2>top to the bottom, then we can explain all of this.

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<v Speaker 2>And if anyone was out out there is like I

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<v Speaker 2>want to look into this more, you could look into

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<v Speaker 2>remote viewing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of the most easy to.

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<v Speaker 2>Validate sihabilities, which is being able to see something at

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:23.159
<v Speaker 2>a location where you're not and the CIA use that

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<v Speaker 2>for years.

0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:25.360
<v Speaker 3>We know that that's been de classified.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, what do you mean, tell me a bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm this is one of the books I read

0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.880
<v Speaker 2>and like trying to understand all of this is there's

0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.160
<v Speaker 2>a great book by an author named Annie Jacobson. It's

0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:37.040
<v Speaker 2>called Phenomena, and what it was about was the declassified

0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.679
<v Speaker 2>papers from the CIA about their projects Grill Flame and

0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Project Stargate programs, which was really active in the seventies

0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 2>and into the eighties where they were using remote viewing

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.399
<v Speaker 2>and because the Russians were and what that was is

0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:55.000
<v Speaker 2>they found that some people were extremely good at if

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:56.800
<v Speaker 2>you could give them a line of longitude and a

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.520
<v Speaker 2>line of latitude, they could sit at the Stanford Research

0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:01.879
<v Speaker 2>into Suit, California and tell you draw a picture of

0:22:01.880 --> 0:22:07.479
<v Speaker 2>what was there? No way, Yeah, And it's fascinating. And

0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 2>so they did a bunch of research around this and

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<v Speaker 2>how this is possible, and they would put some of

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<v Speaker 2>the best remote viewers under the ocean in a submarine

0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.359
<v Speaker 2>to be like, okay, well we know waves can't penetrate

0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.480
<v Speaker 2>that deep of water, Like, so what is this skill,

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Like is it still possible underwater because telephone signals aren't right,

0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:28.080
<v Speaker 2>cell phone signals aren't like most signals can't go through water.

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:34.040
<v Speaker 2>And these remote viewers were significantly accurate, like statistically so

0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:35.520
<v Speaker 2>that they could still.

0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:36.840
<v Speaker 3>Find targets when underwater.

0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.480
<v Speaker 2>And there's been so much released on that program. Yeah,

0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.240
<v Speaker 2>and I think one of the best remote viewers was

0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:50.119
<v Speaker 2>I believe a Burbank police chief and someone Fbioca was

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<v Speaker 2>in his office and saw that he had like marked

0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:55.080
<v Speaker 2>on the map where submarines were. Well, that's alarming. How

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:56.560
<v Speaker 2>does this guy know where the submarines were? And he

0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:58.679
<v Speaker 2>was like I could just see him. And he became

0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:00.920
<v Speaker 2>one of the best like remote viewer in the program.

0:23:01.280 --> 0:23:03.440
<v Speaker 2>And they did some of these quote unquote telepity tests,

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:08.520
<v Speaker 2>tapes of these telepathy tests with another man named Uri Geller.

0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:10.879
<v Speaker 2>They would have him draw what was in a closed

0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 2>box and he was pretty accurate. And so if people

0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:16.920
<v Speaker 2>want to read that book, like that's a great gateway

0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:20.600
<v Speaker 2>into this that shows something is happening, something is real.

0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:23.840
<v Speaker 2>And this program went on for a long time and

0:23:24.320 --> 0:23:25.320
<v Speaker 2>they say it's expired.

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:26.320
<v Speaker 3>I think it's probably.

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.199
<v Speaker 2>Still going on in the United States government, but that

0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.280
<v Speaker 2>was remote viewing and using psychic abilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Are there any other programs or things you've come across

0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:36.119
<v Speaker 1>like that that are used in the modern world in

0:23:36.160 --> 0:23:38.320
<v Speaker 1>a less spiritual space.

0:23:39.040 --> 0:23:42.240
<v Speaker 2>For sure, Russia, China, the United States have been looking

0:23:42.280 --> 0:23:46.520
<v Speaker 2>into these siabilities as very real elements, and of course

0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.120
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to use it for warfare and spying.

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:51.200
<v Speaker 3>I know that there's a lot of people who will

0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 3>teach revote.

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Viewing and map dousing, where you try to go figure

0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:56.399
<v Speaker 2>out where something might be located on a map, and

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:58.199
<v Speaker 2>some people are really good at that. It could be

0:23:58.240 --> 0:24:04.360
<v Speaker 2>like the ancient whatever aqueduct is here and they can

0:24:04.400 --> 0:24:06.040
<v Speaker 2>help you find it, and like, these are things that

0:24:06.080 --> 0:24:08.879
<v Speaker 2>have map dowsing has gone on for thousands of years

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:11.560
<v Speaker 2>where people will know what's underground.

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:15.680
<v Speaker 3>How. I don't understand how, but it's a real thing.

0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I did not understand how remote viewing could work, and

0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:21.560
<v Speaker 2>so I went to a workshop one day because I thought,

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if I could learn this. And this was

0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of like right in the heart of like me

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.080
<v Speaker 2>trying to understand everything, and I was just immersing into

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:30.640
<v Speaker 2>anything I could, And so I went to like a

0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:31.560
<v Speaker 2>workshop where they.

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:32.320
<v Speaker 3>Try to teach you how to do this.

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 2>And I was with one of my close friends and

0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:36.360
<v Speaker 2>they said, Okay, we're going to do a remote viewing experiment.

0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.120
<v Speaker 2>We're about to pull a slide up and you all

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:40.679
<v Speaker 2>have to draw what's on the slide. And I was

0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:42.800
<v Speaker 2>like a slide, Like, that's not even like in the

0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.480
<v Speaker 2>physical world that we can like maybe see how's.

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:45.840
<v Speaker 3>That going to work?

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 2>And so all these everyone's close, you know, trying to

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.480
<v Speaker 2>clear the mind, and people. After ten minutes or whatever,

0:24:51.840 --> 0:24:53.399
<v Speaker 2>I look at some of the drawings. It looks like

0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:56.719
<v Speaker 2>people were drawing like these big circles and stuff. And

0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 2>what I was getting in my head was like draw

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:01.199
<v Speaker 2>a tree and like a little bit of water and

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the word green and a bird and a son. And

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:06.719
<v Speaker 2>my drawing looks so rudimentary, like something a four year

0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 2>old wuld draw. And then all of a sudden they

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 2>show what it was and it was a peacock. And

0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, so I had bird and green, but

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that counts. And then my friend turns

0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 2>over her paper and on her paper was a tree

0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 2>and a son.

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.119
<v Speaker 3>She wrote the word green. She had water.

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 2>We had the same picture I have a picture on

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 2>my phone and that's when I'm like, Okay, I don't

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:28.439
<v Speaker 2>know what's going on here. For we're remore viewing of

0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:30.280
<v Speaker 2>her and I just crossed paths and there was like

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:33.399
<v Speaker 2>real telepathy, like we sunk up whatever signal it was.

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.560
<v Speaker 2>Her and I had the same drawing. And that's when

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like, this whole thing is really mysterious. And

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I finally understood what the parents were talking about, because

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like, did we both tune into the same

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.280
<v Speaker 2>signal or were we sharing and influencing each other?

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:48.640
<v Speaker 3>What was that?

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.360
<v Speaker 2>But that was an astounding moment for me that made

0:25:51.400 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>me believe in things like remote viewing.

0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Have you and your friend ever tried doing that again?

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 3>No, I should ask her.

0:25:57.160 --> 0:25:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that would be really fascinating to sit down again.

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it would really be awesome to try that again.

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.840
<v Speaker 2>And for me, the biggest shock was again I thought, okay,

0:26:06.840 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>we're setting telepathy. We can do these selepathy tests. We

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 2>can prove it or you know, validate it. I guess

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.960
<v Speaker 2>there's no proof in science, but validate it. And that's

0:26:14.960 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>what I thought was But then when I was immersed

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.040
<v Speaker 2>with so many these wonderful human beings and families. The

0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.280
<v Speaker 2>thing that I started seeing and that they start talking

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.879
<v Speaker 2>about quite quickly, especially the non speakers, is no, this

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:30.159
<v Speaker 2>is bigger than selepathy. So many individuals can also no

0:26:30.359 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 2>languages that they've never learned, Well, how is that possible?

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Or tell the future and can accurately predict something that's

0:26:37.400 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 2>going to happen and sure that could be coincidental or

0:26:39.800 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's not. Or had information about something they'd never learned,

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:48.000
<v Speaker 2>be it math or science or even spiritual information. And

0:26:48.119 --> 0:26:50.879
<v Speaker 2>so many others were talking about seeing beyond the grave,

0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:55.000
<v Speaker 2>like knowing people and bringing messages through, and that was

0:26:55.560 --> 0:26:58.560
<v Speaker 2>totally disorienting for me because that was all new. I

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't think any of that stuff was possible. Individuals talking

0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 2>about rocks that had powers. I mean I came into

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 2>that being like.

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Wait what, Yeah, it's one of those things, isn't it.

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Where it's it's so hard in our material world to

0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>give space for invisible thinking. Yeah, because like you said,

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 1>everything that we look at is so visibly measured, visibly real.

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:23.400
<v Speaker 1>That's how we function as a society. Then almost when

0:27:23.400 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>these ideas start to seep in, it starts to become

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.479
<v Speaker 1>very challenging. And certain ideas have found their place in

0:27:30.520 --> 0:27:33.400
<v Speaker 1>the Western world. When you look at things like astrology

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:37.679
<v Speaker 1>and so coming from an Eastern background, astrologers who have

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 1>incredible abilities rarely exist anymore, but those that in India

0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:45.800
<v Speaker 1>had these abilities. Like you've seen the Western version of

0:27:45.840 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>astrology evolve, and it exists in some capacity in our world,

0:27:51.000 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>but you find most of these ideas kind of fall

0:27:53.320 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>by the wayside and don't really have a version, or

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:00.800
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of astrology can be and is labeled

0:28:00.800 --> 0:28:03.159
<v Speaker 1>as woo woo or just you know, made up or

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>meant to make people feel safe. What was it that

0:28:05.400 --> 0:28:07.280
<v Speaker 1>gave you so much trust when you were doing these

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.480
<v Speaker 1>tests yourself, that gave you a sense of confidence from

0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.120
<v Speaker 1>being someone who, in your own words, you felt, well,

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>it's not that you came from a spiritual background or

0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:17.639
<v Speaker 1>this what you're open to. And all of a sudden

0:28:17.680 --> 0:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you're like, no, I believe this. What did you see?

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 1>What did you experience that you were like, no, no,

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>this this is legitimate.

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.119
<v Speaker 2>And I think the most important thing for anyone walking

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 2>into this world is forget about the telepathy, forget about

0:28:28.960 --> 0:28:32.120
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff like meet the people and when you're

0:28:32.200 --> 0:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>talking to parents, in particular, who are stretched thin. They

0:28:35.960 --> 0:28:41.520
<v Speaker 2>have so many just daily challenges with working, you know,

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>just helping their children, but actually battling for their children

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:46.560
<v Speaker 2>every day to get the education they need, the supports

0:28:46.560 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>they need, the care they need. And for these parents

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.560
<v Speaker 2>who have so much love and so much sacrifice, and

0:28:52.640 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 2>yet there's this other dimension of what the heck is

0:28:55.000 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 2>going on and their sincerity of just like, we know

0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.200
<v Speaker 2>this is happening, can you just help us? Unders and

0:29:00.240 --> 0:29:02.040
<v Speaker 2>why when you start hearing that from parent after parent

0:29:02.080 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 2>after parent who don't know each other, it's pretty clear

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>there's not a mass conspiracy going on. And so meeting

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.680
<v Speaker 2>the parents, loving the parents, I mean, they truly are

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:15.680
<v Speaker 2>the biggest almost they're the love warriors on this earth

0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.880
<v Speaker 2>right now. And then meeting the non speakers with just

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 2>such honesty around what's going on, there's no it's not

0:29:21.840 --> 0:29:23.320
<v Speaker 2>for them. This is just life here. I'm going to

0:29:23.320 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>talk about this, I'm gonna share this, I'm going to

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 2>talk about this. And that became convincing and then and

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:30.600
<v Speaker 2>then so I think I walked in trusting the parents,

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 2>trusting them on speakers, believing that they were telling the truth.

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 2>And then I think when you are coming from it,

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.080
<v Speaker 2>from a place of belief and trust, it's so much

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 2>more likely for these things to unfold. You know, a

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of I think, not just me, but scientists would

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 2>say like love is the basis of a lot of

0:29:49.000 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>these sigh abilities. If anyone ever has had this moment

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>where something went wrong, it's because you love that person,

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 2>you felt deeply something happened to that person.

0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:58.480
<v Speaker 3>We have accounts of that from all over the world

0:29:58.480 --> 0:29:59.040
<v Speaker 3>in history.

0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Or you're thinking about someone you care deeply about in

0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:04.160
<v Speaker 2>the second that the phone rings and it's them. I mean,

0:30:04.200 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 2>these links are I think based in love, and they're

0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 2>not that rare. We've all had that phone telepathy. And

0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I just want to say this really quick too, because

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>I think that that belief as a as a measure

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 2>of like being able to experience and see some of

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. There is space for that. In science, we

0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 2>have the placebo effect that's part and parcel of every

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.880
<v Speaker 2>major medical study because it's real belief and believing in

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:29.360
<v Speaker 2>something helps and changes the outcomes. I think if you

0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 2>to walk in with the non speakers and think, I

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:34.440
<v Speaker 2>don't believe this possible, I don't think you're gonna see much.

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 2>But I think when you're like I trust you. I

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>trust what you're saying is true. I think people are

0:30:41.000 --> 0:30:43.440
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0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 2>self and to LUPII is part of that.

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you use the code on purpose. What did

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you see when you spoke to doctor Powell? Like, what

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>did she see from a scientific point of view that

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.920
<v Speaker 1>convinced her that this was real? What research had she

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>found that made it feel so legitimate to her as well?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was so impressed with doctor Powell. I mean,

0:32:27.480 --> 0:32:31.160
<v Speaker 2>she's a real thoughtful scientist in this regard, And she

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:35.360
<v Speaker 2>was studying savant syndrome at first, and savan sympdrome is

0:32:35.360 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>really interesting, and I mean her big thesis is esp

0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>should be considered a savans skill because science as a

0:32:41.120 --> 0:32:43.760
<v Speaker 2>whole legitimately is the savants that you might know a

0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>language or music or math without being taught or exposed

0:32:46.880 --> 0:32:49.960
<v Speaker 2>to it. And that's pretty wild. How does that happen

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.240
<v Speaker 2>if you haven't taught it? And so you speaks in

0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.760
<v Speaker 2>the same realm, right, like you know something you shouldn't know,

0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>because how how could you know the future?

0:32:56.920 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 3>How can you someone's thoughts?

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<v Speaker 1>So could you tell us what esp oh?

0:33:00.560 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 3>ESP is an.

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 2>Extra sensory perception, so a sense of knowing something without

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:06.360
<v Speaker 2>your five senses.

0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.480
<v Speaker 3>So she was studying savant skills, and what was.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating is some of the parents who had a quote

0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 2>unquote savant, which is a troubling moorden of itself for

0:33:16.480 --> 0:33:18.160
<v Speaker 2>a few reasons we can talk about later. But like

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>we're saying, actually, I don't know if their savant. I

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 2>thought they were because I thought they had every book

0:33:22.040 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>on my bookshelf memorized. But then I'm learning no, I

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:26.720
<v Speaker 2>think they can see through my eyes or I think

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>they're reading my mind. And she heard that enough times

0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>that she started studying that and lo and behold in

0:33:32.000 --> 0:33:34.480
<v Speaker 2>the studies she did. She was seeing what I saw,

0:33:34.560 --> 0:33:38.880
<v Speaker 2>which was the spars out. Unfortunately, because so many of

0:33:38.960 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 2>our scientific institutions are rooted materialism and the journals and such,

0:33:43.240 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>it's really hard to publish papers on this to get

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>grants to do the research around it, to publish a

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 2>book on it. And when she published a book and

0:33:50.160 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>was on her book tour, suddenly the board said we're

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 2>taking your license away because we think you must there

0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:56.040
<v Speaker 2>must be something wrong with you.

0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 3>And she had a petition.

0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.720
<v Speaker 2>She had to go through psychological testing to prove that

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 2>she was of sound mind, and then she begged them

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 2>to look at the book and they realized, oh, this

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.200
<v Speaker 2>is sound science and she's sound. Okay, you can have

0:34:08.280 --> 0:34:10.799
<v Speaker 2>your license back and you can do this, but the

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.160
<v Speaker 2>trauma is done because you've had to pay a lot

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.120
<v Speaker 2>of fees. It hurts your reputation. It comes up on Google.

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 2>And so I think for a lot of the scientists

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.239
<v Speaker 2>who are on the cutting edge of this too, they've

0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.400
<v Speaker 2>been harm because for me, I believe that at the

0:34:23.440 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 2>baseline for science, you should have a freedom of inquiry.

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:27.439
<v Speaker 3>You should be able to ask a question and see

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 3>where it leads.

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 2>And as a society we need to ask ourselfs, well,

0:34:30.560 --> 0:34:32.400
<v Speaker 2>what is going on if you can't ask a question

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>because people are afraid of the answer. I mean, that's

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>troubling and us also limiting because as humans, this is

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 2>really exciting that there is a very real, non physical world,

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 2>and I think that's what everyone actually cares about at

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, Like don't we care if

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 2>that has implications for where we're going and why we're here. Yeah,

0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:55.840
<v Speaker 2>so doctor Powell, she saw the truth of it, but

0:34:55.920 --> 0:35:01.280
<v Speaker 2>she also ran hard into the deeply skeptical materialist society

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:03.240
<v Speaker 2>and science world.

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Well kept her going, I mean.

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I think the same thing.

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:08.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she laid low for a while after that,

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:13.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, and then she actually retired when right before

0:35:13.360 --> 0:35:15.160
<v Speaker 2>the telept the tapes came out. She's like, I don't

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:16.879
<v Speaker 2>want to be fined again. I don't want to deal

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>with all this, and she was ready, but she was like,

0:35:19.360 --> 0:35:21.879
<v Speaker 2>this is not worth it. So I think what kept

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:24.160
<v Speaker 2>her going is kind of the same thing that you know,

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 2>when I hit upload on that first episode, I was like,

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.839
<v Speaker 2>I might destroy my entire reputation as a documentarian, as

0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:31.360
<v Speaker 2>a human being. I don't know what people are going

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:34.279
<v Speaker 2>to think, but like this is true, and it's this

0:35:34.400 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 2>truth is worth it. And I think doctor Powell underwent

0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 2>that when you see it, you can't see it. When

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:41.879
<v Speaker 2>you're in the room and you experience it, you can't

0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:44.279
<v Speaker 2>unexperience it. And when you meet these families so full

0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:47.560
<v Speaker 2>of love and truth and earnestness that are just like

0:35:47.680 --> 0:35:50.839
<v Speaker 2>someone tell us why no one is listening? You kind

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>of want to carry the burden for them. You shouldered

0:35:53.480 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 2>for them, because you're like, you aren't crazy, You're telling

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the truth, like someone does need to listen. And I

0:35:57.840 --> 0:36:00.680
<v Speaker 2>think doctor Powell felt that urgency of like, I will

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 2>carry your torch. And then I met all of them

0:36:02.320 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I will also carry your torch.

0:36:04.840 --> 0:36:06.359
<v Speaker 2>And now I think there's a lot of listeners carrying

0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>the torch, which is.

0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. There are so many people that I've been

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:12.360
<v Speaker 1>speaking to about it with since I've been listening, and

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the conversations that it's starting are actually the most exciting

0:36:14.960 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>part for me. I think the curiosity that it's sparking

0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:20.160
<v Speaker 1>in people. I was trying to think about, actually, when

0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>else in society, when have we had that kind of

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 1>resistance to something like I don't know if you've looked back,

0:36:25.920 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure with your research mind, like, have you

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:30.520
<v Speaker 1>looked back at times in society where we would have

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>been like, no, going to the moon is ridiculous, it's

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 1>never going to happen. And then we do it right,

0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>because that in one sense is outside of our visible

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:40.919
<v Speaker 1>world to some degree in terms of before you could

0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>see it or now when we talk about, you know,

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>building life on another planet. It's become normalized because Elon

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Musk or whoever will talk about these things publicly. So

0:36:50.239 --> 0:36:52.960
<v Speaker 1>often have you looked at any other times with things?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure? You know?

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 2>And there's that quote, all truth goes through three stages.

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>First it's ridiculed, that it's violently opposed, and then it's

0:36:59.480 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 2>accepted a self evident And I feel like that's one

0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:04.759
<v Speaker 2>of these moments. And you know, there's when Mendel first

0:37:04.760 --> 0:37:06.719
<v Speaker 2>said that jeans cause disease. I mean that was like

0:37:06.719 --> 0:37:08.920
<v Speaker 2>a big moment where people were laughing at that. That

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.480
<v Speaker 2>seems silly, like little things would go into and make

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:14.400
<v Speaker 2>you sick. Now it's self evident, you know. It's the

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.719
<v Speaker 2>flat earth, Like people believe the Earth was flat for

0:37:16.760 --> 0:37:19.320
<v Speaker 2>a really long time and then it wasn't, but people

0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:20.120
<v Speaker 2>like clung to that.

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:21.399
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's still few.

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>But I think about the materialist science of now and

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I wonder if in a hundred years they're

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 2>going to clinging to the materialism.

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:31.920
<v Speaker 3>It's they're going to look like the flat earthers. You know.

0:37:31.960 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>But even when the Wright brothers first launched their plane,

0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:36.839
<v Speaker 2>people didn't believe it.

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:38.320
<v Speaker 3>They didn't believe it unless they saw it.

0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>They had to go on a tour and fly their

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>little plane all over for people to believe it.

0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.080
<v Speaker 3>So it's not this.

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 2>I think this happens with any big leap, whether it's

0:37:46.640 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 2>in science and spirituality or whatever it is. And and

0:37:50.520 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 2>this is just this is the blowback, the anger, the confusion,

0:37:54.800 --> 0:37:58.319
<v Speaker 2>the trying to find like you know, the character assassination

0:37:58.440 --> 0:38:01.200
<v Speaker 2>is going to come from anyone caring that that's happened

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 2>throughout history. That it's just part and percel when you

0:38:03.320 --> 0:38:04.400
<v Speaker 2>bring in big news.

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I thing, yeah, for sure, for sure. And I'd almost

0:38:07.920 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>think that it's at like a perfect synchronicity with all

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:14.480
<v Speaker 1>of our developments in AI. Like you know, we're at

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:18.239
<v Speaker 1>this precipice where it's like AI is the new frontier

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 1>at a very basic level. Everyone's now using chat, GPT,

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 1>and then we're looking at what singularity could look like,

0:38:23.800 --> 0:38:26.400
<v Speaker 1>and we're looking at the tech horizon of all of

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>this advancement. And it only makes sense to me that

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.040
<v Speaker 1>at the same time we need this other side that

0:38:32.080 --> 0:38:36.279
<v Speaker 1>we're also seeing these advancements in our spiritual understanding and

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:38.960
<v Speaker 1>our spiritual exploration. And I wanted to ask you, like,

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:41.919
<v Speaker 1>so far with doctor Powell's work and what you've seen,

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>what has been conclusively defined or when people asking the

0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:49.399
<v Speaker 1>question why is this happening, what do we know, if

0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:51.160
<v Speaker 1>anything right now of why it's happening.

0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't think we know yet right And I think

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:56.200
<v Speaker 2>it's because there's been such a lack of funding. I mean,

0:38:56.200 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 2>that was one of the hopes with slaptly tapes is

0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:01.359
<v Speaker 2>to get doctor Powell some funding, and she's gotten funding now,

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 2>which is great, and you know, I know she wants

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:06.759
<v Speaker 2>to look at some MRI scans and some QEG scans

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:09.720
<v Speaker 2>and that's important because she's looking at from the brain stuff,

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 2>which is what a neuroscientist should be doing. And I'm

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 2>interested in doing like really good telepathy tests that are

0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 2>visual for film. And so many scientists have been reaching out,

0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 2>which has been beautiful since this has come forward, being

0:39:22.239 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 2>like I want to work out a experiment or research

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.160
<v Speaker 2>and so I'm trying to get on board with our

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:31.520
<v Speaker 2>team non speaking science advisor to kind of help and

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>then do a roundtable with a bunch of the scientists

0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:35.239
<v Speaker 2>who all have big ideas, bring some of the non

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.600
<v Speaker 2>speakers in and have a conversation about like what can

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>we test, what should we test, what would be helpful,

0:39:41.600 --> 0:39:44.160
<v Speaker 2>what are the limitations, and kind of go from there.

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:46.520
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think it's so important? What do you think?

0:39:47.080 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm intrigued to know what you think it would unlock

0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:52.279
<v Speaker 1>for us by discovering the answer behind this? What do

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:52.880
<v Speaker 1>you see?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, again, I think it's more than just telepathy.

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, agreed. Yeah.

0:39:56.840 --> 0:40:00.319
<v Speaker 2>And there's a teacher who has been at this longer

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:03.000
<v Speaker 2>than doctor Powell or me I'm in Wisconsin who will

0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.320
<v Speaker 2>constantly say I think there's a sharing of consciousness.

0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:06.280
<v Speaker 3>I think there's a linking.

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 2>And that's a curious question because if that's the case,

0:40:09.760 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 2>that means that consciousness is coming from somewhere else and

0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.200
<v Speaker 2>that we like can beam into it.

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I don't know, Like if you think of.

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Our body as a television set, right that will animate

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:22.399
<v Speaker 2>and all this stuff, but that's it's like we don't

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.399
<v Speaker 2>carry the signal. The signal is coming from somewhere else.

0:40:25.160 --> 0:40:28.200
<v Speaker 2>That's one view of consciousness, Like that is one possibility

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and I think the non speaking telepathy pairing that happens

0:40:34.440 --> 0:40:36.680
<v Speaker 2>with a teacher or a parent. If we could test

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:40.040
<v Speaker 2>through a QEG and figure out is the message coming in,

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Like this is a brain lighting up at the same

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:43.360
<v Speaker 2>time in the same place, we might be able to

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>learn something.

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm not a scientist, so I want.

0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:48.080
<v Speaker 2>Other people to carry the torch and figure out the experiments,

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:50.319
<v Speaker 2>and I hope to create for the film, like we're

0:40:50.320 --> 0:40:52.680
<v Speaker 2>going to make some spaces where non speakers and researchers

0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 2>and scientists can talk about it, and then I hope

0:40:55.239 --> 0:40:57.840
<v Speaker 2>the science just goes forth in a comfortable way for everyone.

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.800
<v Speaker 2>My biggest concern, of course, is exploit of not speaking

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 2>individuals in their families, Like it has to be in

0:41:03.440 --> 0:41:05.799
<v Speaker 2>a way that feels really safe and good for them,

0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:08.719
<v Speaker 2>and some families want answers. Some are just like, we

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 2>know this is happening, This is great, this has changed

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>our lives. Everyone has to volunteer and do what's comfortable

0:41:14.320 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 2>for them.

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:17.120
<v Speaker 3>But I just my goal goal.

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 2>Was to get this out there and so that people

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.880
<v Speaker 2>would listen to the parents and hopefully believe them.

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you start doing the tests, I remember you

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:27.840
<v Speaker 1>saying that you were seeing like a ninety five percent

0:41:27.880 --> 0:41:31.279
<v Speaker 1>success rate, which is extremely high. What were you seeing

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 1>in the five percent that was inaccurate or incomplete?

0:41:35.400 --> 0:41:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I'm smiling when you said that because, like

0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 2>I said ninety five percent, because it just felt like

0:41:39.200 --> 0:41:40.600
<v Speaker 2>the more sciencey thing to say, like it.

0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:42.000
<v Speaker 3>Was actually pretty much like one hundred.

0:41:42.080 --> 0:41:44.520
<v Speaker 2>But like when I talk about the five percent, it's

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 2>because they're spelling to communicate. So sometimes if like they

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:50.319
<v Speaker 2>were if Pony was the thing that was on the

0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 2>flash card, maybe they spelled like pp it hit twice,

0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:56.560
<v Speaker 2>oh and y or something like that, where it's like

0:41:56.800 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 2>can we count it? We won't count it because there

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:00.919
<v Speaker 2>was a p hit twice, so we would discount it. Again,

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm not scientists, but in like my human mind, I

0:42:02.800 --> 0:42:03.040
<v Speaker 2>was like.

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 3>That counted, you know.

0:42:04.280 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 2>So there is that element where it's like they wrote

0:42:06.600 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 2>the thing it would be it would be a tactical

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:11.319
<v Speaker 2>air like that.

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, oh wow, So it was it was literally

0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:14.520
<v Speaker 1>things like spelling.

0:42:14.600 --> 0:42:17.520
<v Speaker 2>Basically it was like yeah, or a double tap a

0:42:17.560 --> 0:42:20.120
<v Speaker 2>double tap? Yeah, well yeah, it'd be a double tap.

0:42:20.520 --> 0:42:23.400
<v Speaker 2>I remember when we were doing one clep at the experiment,

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 2>there was a production assistant that was like walking around

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.880
<v Speaker 2>with Dorito's and then every time they entered room at

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:29.799
<v Speaker 2>the room with the Dorito's, it's like the test would

0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:31.760
<v Speaker 2>get disrupted, like most of the word would be spelled

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 2>like bicycle, and then you would be left off because

0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>it'd be like Dorito's are here, you know, and so

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.200
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that. We didn't count it because all bicycle didn't.

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 2>But again, like the science they part was like, Okay,

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>we can't count a bicycle because the whole world wasn't spelled.

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 3>But like the human being in me.

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 2>Was like she just wrote bicycle and then Dorito's game

0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 2>in the room.

0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.800
<v Speaker 1>And what about some of them that could see colors

0:42:52.800 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 1>and letters around numbers? Where was that coming from?

0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:58.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean so there's something called synesthesia, yes, and

0:42:58.800 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 2>that is synesthesia, right, you see colors, different senses get

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.680
<v Speaker 2>tied to different things with non speaking individuals, it's really

0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:08.279
<v Speaker 2>beautiful and interesting and again like broadbrush here. So but

0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:10.399
<v Speaker 2>some of the people I was talking with, like one

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:12.439
<v Speaker 2>girl says that she sees the colors around each letter,

0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:13.919
<v Speaker 2>so she doesn't have to see the letter board because

0:43:13.920 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 2>she's pointing to a color.

0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:15.879
<v Speaker 3>So that's pretty cool.

0:43:16.480 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 2>A lot of non speaking individuals say they see auras

0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 2>not just around people, but around plants and cut flowers,

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 2>and they'll see that the aura drifting off as the

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:28.279
<v Speaker 2>cut floor of flowers dying around rocks. And again it

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be just one individual, it'll be many saying these things.

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>So at a certain point you're like, Okay, things have

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 2>auras and there's colors, and it tells you how if

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:37.880
<v Speaker 2>someone's good or bad or angry or whatever.

0:43:37.920 --> 0:43:38.040
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was just beautiful the amount of information

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:45.160
<v Speaker 2>that was so articulate and so profound that was being

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 2>shared across the board.

0:43:46.400 --> 0:43:49.359
<v Speaker 1>You've dedicated three and a half years to this now, right,

0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.919
<v Speaker 1>do you feel like it feels like your purpose? It's

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>become something? That's so I mean, to dedicate three and

0:43:56.080 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 1>a half years is a long, long, long, long time.

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:02.919
<v Speaker 1>And the celebrity types and fairly recently like just around

0:44:02.920 --> 0:44:05.840
<v Speaker 1>the holidays or whatever, and to see the incredible success

0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:08.480
<v Speaker 1>they've had, but it's been so much study and time.

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.320
<v Speaker 1>What I want to know your emotions and feelings throughout

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:13.840
<v Speaker 1>this three and a half years, and then whether it

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 1>feels like your purpose now?

0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean no, I think everything my life has

0:44:17.560 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 2>led to this. I think everything has and it is

0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:24.480
<v Speaker 2>fully my purpose for being here. And I'm so humbled, like,

0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 2>what a wonderful, wonderful purpose. And I don't know if

0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:29.160
<v Speaker 2>purpose is given to us from somewhere else or if

0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>it creates your purpose, but like my favorite book is

0:44:31.320 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 2>Victor Frankol's Answers for Meaning, and I love that. One

0:44:33.760 --> 0:44:35.680
<v Speaker 2>of the beautiful takeaways in that book, right is like

0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 2>the meaning of life is whatever gives your life meaning,

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 2>and nothing ever to come across my path outside of

0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:43.919
<v Speaker 2>the people I love, like my you know, spouse and kids,

0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:48.320
<v Speaker 2>but beyond that, like nothing has given my more meeting business.

0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 3>It's it's to me.

0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 2>It's answering and picking through the most complex important questions.

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:58.239
<v Speaker 2>So like, what a humbling, beautiful gift to just have

0:44:58.280 --> 0:45:00.400
<v Speaker 2>fallen into this beautiful.

0:45:00.800 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 1>What meaning has it spoken to you for you? So?

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:04.920
<v Speaker 1>What questions has it answered for you? Or what questions

0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:07.400
<v Speaker 1>has it made you ask? That you find it so

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 1>meaningful for us to know?

0:45:09.080 --> 0:45:11.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, for me, it was really appealing of the onion.

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:14.799
<v Speaker 2>And first it was seeing the telepathy over and over

0:45:14.840 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and over again and being like, Okay, I don't need

0:45:17.239 --> 0:45:20.360
<v Speaker 2>to ask that question, that's fully happening. And then I

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 2>almost feel like the parents would let me in on

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 2>things as they thought I was ready.

0:45:25.160 --> 0:45:25.360
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 2>So even hearing and understand that Houston, one of the

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:32.760
<v Speaker 2>individuals and to the telepathy tapes, understands that feels rocks

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:34.440
<v Speaker 2>so deeply, and that was something that I always just

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.440
<v Speaker 2>shrugged off. Okay, So if telepathy is real and Rocks

0:45:37.480 --> 0:45:42.080
<v Speaker 2>truly give off you know, energy and frequency, what else

0:45:42.120 --> 0:45:42.840
<v Speaker 2>have I dismissed?

0:45:42.880 --> 0:45:43.319
<v Speaker 3>That's real?

0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:46.360
<v Speaker 2>So I started finding that things that I just shoved

0:45:46.400 --> 0:45:48.759
<v Speaker 2>away as like that's impossible, this is fake, or these

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 2>are Charlton's or frauds.

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:50.160
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:45:50.640 --> 0:45:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I started coming to terms with everything I'd ever just

0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 2>ignored or dismissed in life and reevaluating it.

0:45:57.480 --> 0:46:00.120
<v Speaker 3>So telepathy like yes, okay, rock.

0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Crystals Now I'm like, okay, I have crystal things on

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 2>my wrist, Like it's like, yes, those have a powerful thing.

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:08.480
<v Speaker 2>And then non speakers talking about the other side. I mean,

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 2>that was something that came up a lot. In fact,

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:14.879
<v Speaker 2>that often is the first thing before telepathy is this

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:18.399
<v Speaker 2>person's here, Auntie has this message for you. You know,

0:46:18.920 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 2>this person is telling me not that you tell whoever

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 2>in India not to buy this land. Because that land

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.279
<v Speaker 2>has a bad well on it. And I mean just

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:28.359
<v Speaker 2>the amount of messages parents were telling me that they

0:46:28.360 --> 0:46:31.880
<v Speaker 2>were receiving from the other side through their child was wild.

0:46:32.160 --> 0:46:33.879
<v Speaker 1>That was relevant to the parent's life, that.

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Was so relevant, that would bear out that there's no

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 2>way their child would know. So then it started making

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:42.239
<v Speaker 2>me think, Okay, we don't go away like there were

0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 2>here something like it's consciousness survives. I think all of

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 2>it was a cognitive dissonance of now. I fully believe

0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:54.080
<v Speaker 2>that SIA abilities are real, that consciousness survives death, that

0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:57.320
<v Speaker 2>we are all intimately connected, that love is the baseline

0:46:57.360 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 2>for everything. And I think I see and on speakers

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:02.799
<v Speaker 2>as my teacher, not the other way around. I mean,

0:47:02.800 --> 0:47:04.960
<v Speaker 2>there are all of our teachers. If people just take

0:47:04.960 --> 0:47:07.200
<v Speaker 2>the time to listen and meet them where they're at,

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 2>and I think what they would say is love is

0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the most important thing.

0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 3>We have it all wrong.

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.719
<v Speaker 2>We're all connected, it is bigger than any of us,

0:47:15.200 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 2>and that these spiritual gifts are in us all.

0:47:18.360 --> 0:47:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, the Eastern traditions describe consciousness to have

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 1>three qualities, such chain ananda, which mean full of knowledge,

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 1>which makes sense to what you're saying. Now eternal, endless,

0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and full of bliss love. And so when you're saying

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:40.600
<v Speaker 1>that even through your discovery that potentially consciousness, the idea

0:47:40.640 --> 0:47:44.520
<v Speaker 1>that there's greater consciousness where there's knowledge, your message is

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:47.759
<v Speaker 1>being inferred that comes from that full of knowledge. The

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:51.160
<v Speaker 1>idea that you're saying consciousness doesn't die. Use the word there,

0:47:51.360 --> 0:47:54.080
<v Speaker 1>I've forgot it. But this idea that it's continuous and

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:57.640
<v Speaker 1>that continues to exist is the eternal part. And then

0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.439
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it's founded on love, is the full

0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:02.959
<v Speaker 1>of bliss. So those qualities actually seem to match very

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>coherently with the Eastern spiritual traditions of understanding what consciousness

0:48:08.560 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 1>actually is. I've always been excited about science catching up

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:17.400
<v Speaker 1>with spirituality, and so I love when science can prove

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the value in spirituality and beliefs or practices that have

0:48:22.640 --> 0:48:26.879
<v Speaker 1>happened for hundreds or thousands of years. And I've seen

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 1>it happen with mindfulness and meditation, where you know, these

0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 1>practices have been around for thousands of years. In today,

0:48:33.640 --> 0:48:36.600
<v Speaker 1>mindfulness and meditation are no longer woo woo and made up.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.160
<v Speaker 2>When meditation was first being studied, it was kind of

0:48:39.239 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 2>ridiculed as being.

0:48:39.920 --> 0:48:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Woo woo, even when I first started practicing it, Like

0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I first started practicing meditation around two thousand and seven,

0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and if you talked about meditation to someone in two

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:52.720
<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven, they didn't really think it was that valuable,

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:54.680
<v Speaker 1>or they thought it was just made up. Or if

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:57.440
<v Speaker 1>you told someone that breath work was a way of

0:48:57.480 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 1>calming yourself down or you know, reduce negative thoughts or anxiety,

0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:03.839
<v Speaker 1>people would have laughed at you. And so I've seen

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:05.759
<v Speaker 1>it happen with a few things, and I've always been

0:49:05.800 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 1>excited by when science has been able to have the language,

0:49:09.640 --> 0:49:14.239
<v Speaker 1>the tools, the vocabulary to talk about these ideas. I

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:15.759
<v Speaker 1>was just back at the monastery that I used to

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:19.719
<v Speaker 1>live out in India this January, and I had some of

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 1>my most powerful meditation experiences nearly twenty years after I

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:27.480
<v Speaker 1>first started meditating. And it's hard to explain, like it's

0:49:27.480 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 1>hard to put into words, and you know, you can

0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:35.360
<v Speaker 1>often feel and I'm sure you know the nonverbal children

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:37.880
<v Speaker 1>they probably feel as well, like how little they can,

0:49:37.920 --> 0:49:40.680
<v Speaker 1>even you know, through the written word, actually explain what

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 1>they're experiencing or what they're going through. And we can

0:49:43.280 --> 0:49:46.000
<v Speaker 1>all identify with emotions and feelings like that, even if

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:49.080
<v Speaker 1>we don't believe, no trust what's going on. I think

0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 1>we've all had experiences we're like, I have no idea

0:49:51.120 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 1>how to explain this, or I have no idea how

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.160
<v Speaker 1>to put this into words. I've always wanted that marriage

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:58.600
<v Speaker 1>between science and spirituality, where science will actually look to

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>spirituality for what to look into. Me and Andrew Huberman,

0:50:02.920 --> 0:50:05.200
<v Speaker 1>who's been on the show a few times, we'll always

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.239
<v Speaker 1>talk about a lot of the practices he suggests and recommends,

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.879
<v Speaker 1>like starting off your day looking at sunlight, which kicks

0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:14.760
<v Speaker 1>off our circadian rhythm and keeps everything in harmony and balance.

0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:19.600
<v Speaker 1>Suria Numashkara, which translated his sun salutations, is an ancient

0:50:19.640 --> 0:50:22.040
<v Speaker 1>practice of looking at the sun when you wake up

0:50:22.080 --> 0:50:24.560
<v Speaker 1>first thing in the morning, and how that was the

0:50:24.600 --> 0:50:27.440
<v Speaker 1>way to get your body invigorated. And so you see

0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 1>these similarities in these ancient practices that people have done

0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:33.839
<v Speaker 1>for thousands of years. They may not have said, oh,

0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:36.879
<v Speaker 1>it's about the circadian rhythm, and you know, they didn't

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.440
<v Speaker 1>talk about it like that, but they were these beautiful

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:44.160
<v Speaker 1>practices in every tradition that existed because of their value

0:50:44.200 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 1>to the human body, the human mind, and the human spirit.

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:49.799
<v Speaker 2>It's beautiful and it's all correct. I think you're right,

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.520
<v Speaker 2>and I think science is catching up to some of

0:50:52.560 --> 0:50:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the stuff because when you look back and things like telepathy,

0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:59.440
<v Speaker 2>if you go to most native you know, groups of

0:50:59.480 --> 0:51:04.360
<v Speaker 2>people are still around and thriving. I think they would say, yeah, duh, yeah,

0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:06.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, the sense of being stared at is real,

0:51:06.640 --> 0:51:09.600
<v Speaker 2>like often like remote Viewington, where the hunt is is real.

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:12.520
<v Speaker 2>These are things that were part and parcel of survival

0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:17.799
<v Speaker 2>for individuals, and we feel removed from it. But it

0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:20.800
<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean that it's hasn't always been there.

0:51:20.880 --> 0:51:26.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. And while there are naturally as always people

0:51:26.360 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 1>who've exploited or lied or pretended or Charlotte whatever in

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:35.600
<v Speaker 1>these traditions, naturally as there are in everywhere science included

0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.919
<v Speaker 1>and everywhere else, it's almost like those people exist because

0:51:39.920 --> 0:51:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the real thing exists because there's someone who can do

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:44.680
<v Speaker 1>it for real, and then someone's trying to, you know,

0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:47.560
<v Speaker 1>do something with it. Exactly, But that's usually how it works.

0:51:47.800 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 1>You only get this a terrible example, but that's when

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:52.799
<v Speaker 1>my mind's going, You only get fake Gucci handbags because

0:51:52.840 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 1>there's real ones, right, And that's the idea with research. Right,

0:51:55.640 --> 0:51:58.000
<v Speaker 1>you only get fake something when the real thing has

0:51:58.040 --> 0:52:00.919
<v Speaker 1>been existed or experienced, and you make the fake version

0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:02.919
<v Speaker 1>because you don't know how the real one exists.

0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Right, absolutely, And I think you take something that probably

0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:08.000
<v Speaker 2>has the most amount of quote unquote Charlatans and the

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:10.160
<v Speaker 2>most amount of skepticism, like mediums.

0:52:10.280 --> 0:52:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:14.839
<v Speaker 2>However, like the Windbridge Institute, Forever Family Foundation, there are

0:52:14.880 --> 0:52:18.400
<v Speaker 2>groups out there that will like double triple blind test

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 2>individuals to be like, these are the people we've tested,

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:23.360
<v Speaker 2>we've tested, we've tested, we've they don't even know who's

0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the sitter versus blank blink, and they've come up with

0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:29.520
<v Speaker 2>a list, you know, like fifteen percent of the people

0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.760
<v Speaker 2>they tested were the real deal according to these tests.

0:52:32.840 --> 0:52:35.759
<v Speaker 2>So I think that's what's a good reminder for people too,

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:37.400
<v Speaker 2>is if you look into a lot of this stuff,

0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:41.040
<v Speaker 2>some of the people there are organizations and institutions out

0:52:41.040 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 2>there looking at the science trying to vet the best

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:45.480
<v Speaker 2>from the best, and you can do it, Like, if

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:47.000
<v Speaker 2>you spend the time to do the research, you can

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:50.120
<v Speaker 2>figure out if it's real and who's the real deal.

0:52:50.280 --> 0:52:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Why is all resistance so deep? Like why are we

0:52:52.960 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>so stuck in our ways? When it comes to these ideas,

0:52:57.880 --> 0:53:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and the same is probably truecientific and technological advancement too.

0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:05.800
<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, I recently spoke to Bill Gates

0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:07.800
<v Speaker 1>and he was talking about the idea that computers would

0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:10.960
<v Speaker 1>exist in every home. Was just bizarre, like people people

0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.200
<v Speaker 1>are like, that's ridiculous, Like, no one's going to have

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.839
<v Speaker 1>a personal computer in their home? What's the need? Right?

0:53:16.120 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Was that was the opinion that people had, So I

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:20.719
<v Speaker 1>don't think it's I actually don't think it's just spiritually,

0:53:20.760 --> 0:53:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I think innovation, any form of innovation, yes, meets that

0:53:25.200 --> 0:53:27.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of resistance. Where where does that come from? Why

0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:30.359
<v Speaker 1>is it that we're so resistant? What have you seen

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:33.680
<v Speaker 1>from human behavior and people you've come across?

0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:35.080
<v Speaker 3>For sure? People resistant to change?

0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Right.

0:53:35.320 --> 0:53:37.400
<v Speaker 3>We like our status quo. It feels safe. We like

0:53:37.440 --> 0:53:38.200
<v Speaker 3>feeling safe.

0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:40.680
<v Speaker 2>But I think when it comes to siabilities, usually it's

0:53:40.719 --> 0:53:43.320
<v Speaker 2>so vulnerable. Right to think that someone could know your mind,

0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:48.120
<v Speaker 2>or connect with the other side, or tell your future,

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean to be had. When it comes to something

0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:54.680
<v Speaker 2>so personal, so vulnerable, it's like the worst thing ever.

0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:56.400
<v Speaker 2>It's like telling a secret and have someone stabbing you

0:53:56.440 --> 0:53:59.600
<v Speaker 2>in the back. It's just to lay bare your soul,

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:03.439
<v Speaker 2>that someone's actually being a good steward of like your

0:54:03.560 --> 0:54:08.480
<v Speaker 2>deepest secrets or connections and lying about and profiting off it.

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's like nothing grosser. Profiting off of vulnerability

0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:15.280
<v Speaker 2>and trust is just the worst. And so I think

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.719
<v Speaker 2>that's why people are really skeptical. They want to make

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:21.200
<v Speaker 2>sure that this stuff, which is good, like we people,

0:54:21.200 --> 0:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't be profiting off of people's vulnerability. But I think

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 2>these skills are real, and I think most of them

0:54:27.239 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 2>probably can do it.

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Have you felt that spending more time with the children,

0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:35.160
<v Speaker 1>the families and everything. Are these abilities that those of

0:54:35.239 --> 0:54:38.000
<v Speaker 1>us that mere mortals and normal can develop and build

0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and grow or are they things that are reserved for

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.680
<v Speaker 1>specifically the non verbal speakers.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I think that everyone probably has these in us

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:50.360
<v Speaker 2>to a certain degree, just like some people are excellent

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:52.840
<v Speaker 2>basketball and some people can barely shoot a basket. So

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 2>I think that it depends on the individual. Like telepathy

0:54:56.600 --> 0:55:00.880
<v Speaker 2>seems so remarkably hard how your I read someone's thoughts,

0:55:01.440 --> 0:55:03.440
<v Speaker 2>But I will say the thing that it was the

0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:05.120
<v Speaker 2>hardest episode for me to put into the world because

0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:07.040
<v Speaker 2>it felt so unbelievable, but I knew it to be true.

0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Because I witnessed it was that there was a huge

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 2>amount of teachers, like a lot of teachers who were

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 2>saying that after working with especially usually one student that

0:55:15.680 --> 0:55:17.759
<v Speaker 2>they were really close to, they were able to start

0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.080
<v Speaker 2>hearing them back. So the telepathies at going two ways.

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:23.279
<v Speaker 2>And when I first heard that, I was shocked, and

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I was shocked that it wasn't a parents. I mean

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:27.080
<v Speaker 2>it has some parents have said this has happened to them,

0:55:27.400 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 2>but a lot of teachers where like I will hear

0:55:29.320 --> 0:55:31.640
<v Speaker 2>their voice in my head, I can hear their full sentences,

0:55:31.680 --> 0:55:33.439
<v Speaker 2>I can hear what they're thinking and what they're about

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 2>to spell, and it goes the same way. And so

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:38.680
<v Speaker 2>some of these teachers have told me it's so powerful

0:55:38.719 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 2>now that we can sit next to each other and

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 2>have a nonverbal educational period and I'll ask questions and

0:55:45.200 --> 0:55:47.200
<v Speaker 2>they'll write, or they'll ask questions, and then I hear

0:55:47.200 --> 0:55:49.520
<v Speaker 2>it back and there's no they don't even have to spell.

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:52.920
<v Speaker 2>And when I first heard this, I thought, what like

0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:55.560
<v Speaker 2>can that be? And then I heard it again and

0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 2>then again and then again from people who don't know

0:55:57.600 --> 0:55:59.719
<v Speaker 2>each other. And then I heard a woman who was

0:55:59.760 --> 0:56:02.840
<v Speaker 2>a team you're on a podcast reporting this, and she

0:56:02.920 --> 0:56:04.400
<v Speaker 2>thought she was the only persons that ever happened to

0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:06.399
<v Speaker 2>the world. And I remember reaching out, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.360
<v Speaker 2>you're not alone. Like, I know, it seems like a miracle,

0:56:08.360 --> 0:56:10.400
<v Speaker 2>but this is not. You know, how's that happened? And

0:56:10.480 --> 0:56:14.359
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I wonder can certain people help

0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 2>us turn it on or like rip off the block

0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:20.520
<v Speaker 2>in our brain? And I don't know if the non

0:56:20.520 --> 0:56:23.319
<v Speaker 2>speaking individuals these teachers were working with help them get there,

0:56:23.600 --> 0:56:25.680
<v Speaker 2>or if you just clear your mind and you're in

0:56:25.719 --> 0:56:28.839
<v Speaker 2>the space with someone in such a beautiful special way

0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:30.239
<v Speaker 2>that we can all do it.

0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I often wonder also whether science will

0:56:34.840 --> 0:56:37.360
<v Speaker 1>ever be able to measure a lot of these experiences

0:56:37.360 --> 0:56:40.800
<v Speaker 1>in phenomena in a way that makes sense to everyone.

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:43.799
<v Speaker 1>I often wondered that whether some of these things are

0:56:43.840 --> 0:56:47.440
<v Speaker 1>just the way they are. And like you said, because

0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:50.759
<v Speaker 1>our scientific tools have been built to measure that which

0:56:50.800 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 1>is material and seen, how can we measure something with

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the tool that's meant to measure something that's seen that's unseen.

0:56:57.960 --> 0:57:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the most beautiful comment I heard from a non

0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:04.879
<v Speaker 2>speaking individual about that was they were like, well, why

0:57:04.920 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 2>are you all trying to measure telepathy with your instruments

0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:10.800
<v Speaker 2>was exact wording. And I was like, well, to prove it,

0:57:10.880 --> 0:57:12.600
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, well, why aren't you trying to prove

0:57:12.640 --> 0:57:14.480
<v Speaker 2>love in a lab? That is the most special and

0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:16.800
<v Speaker 2>strongest power. It will cause people to jump into a

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:19.800
<v Speaker 2>choppy ocean or to pick up the car with such

0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 2>adrenaline if their child is trapped, Like love is the

0:57:22.120 --> 0:57:25.680
<v Speaker 2>greatest superpower, that's the biggest superpower. Why aren't you trying

0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:27.560
<v Speaker 2>to measure that in a lab? And I was like,

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:29.320
<v Speaker 2>I guess I don't know why. I don't know why

0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:32.240
<v Speaker 2>we're not measuring love. Has love been measured? But that

0:57:32.400 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 2>was the equivalent in their mind of like us trying

0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 2>to measure telepathy. This person was like, this is just

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:39.640
<v Speaker 2>part and parcel of this, like love, connection, communication, almost survival,

0:57:39.720 --> 0:57:42.400
<v Speaker 2>right if you can't speak, can't communicate, like beyond spelling,

0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:44.720
<v Speaker 2>that it can be a lifeline. And I just thought

0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:46.640
<v Speaker 2>that was so beautiful because there are certain things that

0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:50.640
<v Speaker 2>you just accept, and telepathy might be so hard for

0:57:50.720 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 2>some people to accept, but if you're living it and

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:56.240
<v Speaker 2>breathing it, it's part of your bouquet of what you

0:57:56.280 --> 0:57:57.720
<v Speaker 2>need to get around in the world.

0:57:58.360 --> 0:57:59.680
<v Speaker 3>It might seem silly to measure.

0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:02.920
<v Speaker 1>What have you found in your research looking at animals

0:58:02.920 --> 0:58:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and telepathy?

0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is a beautiful element to this, I think,

0:58:06.840 --> 0:58:10.320
<v Speaker 2>and to me it really helped helped me believe everything more.

0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:13.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that there are mental fields around certain animals.

0:58:13.440 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 2>We see this in schools of fish. How are they

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:18.640
<v Speaker 2>turning at the exact same time, right, and certain like

0:58:18.720 --> 0:58:21.000
<v Speaker 2>murmurs of birds who are basically have like the same

0:58:21.080 --> 0:58:22.920
<v Speaker 2>mind and there is this idea of like, are they

0:58:22.960 --> 0:58:25.400
<v Speaker 2>all kind of connected to a greater mental field of

0:58:25.440 --> 0:58:29.120
<v Speaker 2>consciousness that is helping control their movements. Rupert Childrake, a

0:58:29.160 --> 0:58:31.640
<v Speaker 2>biologist from Cambridge, talks a lot about this and he's

0:58:31.640 --> 0:58:34.600
<v Speaker 2>written books and done incredible research on the animals. Pets

0:58:34.840 --> 0:58:37.280
<v Speaker 2>knowing when their owners are coming home and they'll put

0:58:37.600 --> 0:58:40.720
<v Speaker 2>cameras around and page somewhat the office, so it's always

0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:42.520
<v Speaker 2>they're coming home in a different time, in a different

0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:45.480
<v Speaker 2>car from a different place, and they have cameras and

0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.200
<v Speaker 2>see that. The dog will go stand by the door,

0:58:47.240 --> 0:58:50.560
<v Speaker 2>and in some cases cats, and if there's a flat tire,

0:58:50.720 --> 0:58:53.400
<v Speaker 2>something happens, or this person gets called back into the office,

0:58:53.440 --> 0:58:55.880
<v Speaker 2>the dog will go back and sit down, and then

0:58:55.920 --> 0:58:57.960
<v Speaker 2>the sink and their owners heading home again, they come

0:58:58.000 --> 0:59:00.320
<v Speaker 2>back up. So there seems to be this telepath thick

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:03.400
<v Speaker 2>link there. And one of my favorite stories that we

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.880
<v Speaker 2>share in the Telepathy Tapes has to do with elephants.

0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 2>And there was a conservationist who was trying to get

0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:14.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, some rowdy elephants into an animal preserve. And

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:16.840
<v Speaker 2>after a good amount of time, this man's name is

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Lawrence Anthony. You know, he really worked to get the

0:59:20.240 --> 0:59:23.480
<v Speaker 2>elephants trust he made their safe space. It was a

0:59:23.600 --> 0:59:26.360
<v Speaker 2>huge amount of land and he hadn't been i think,

0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:28.400
<v Speaker 2>in touch or seeing these elephants much in the last

0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:31.160
<v Speaker 2>few years of his life. And then one day he died. Well,

0:59:31.160 --> 0:59:34.760
<v Speaker 2>the elephants all kind of gathered and walked to his

0:59:34.920 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 2>house from where they were and they all kind of

0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:39.440
<v Speaker 2>show up right around the same time, and they stayed

0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 2>for a few days mourning. And it was remarkable for

0:59:43.240 --> 0:59:46.440
<v Speaker 2>his widow because the question is how did these elephants

0:59:46.520 --> 0:59:50.360
<v Speaker 2>know to go and do their mourning ritual how? And

0:59:50.600 --> 0:59:54.200
<v Speaker 2>the story doesn't end there. Every year on the Anniversaro's death,

0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:56.600
<v Speaker 2>and this went on for a few years, the elephants

0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:58.960
<v Speaker 2>would leave what they were doing and go to his

0:59:59.040 --> 1:00:00.000
<v Speaker 2>house and.

1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:01.959
<v Speaker 1>Hey, their respects only on that day.

1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:04.840
<v Speaker 2>On that day, it took them a while to get there.

1:00:05.280 --> 1:00:06.560
<v Speaker 2>They had to walk a few days to get there.

1:00:06.600 --> 1:00:09.440
<v Speaker 2>But yes, they knew exactly when he died the first time,

1:00:09.600 --> 1:00:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and then they would pay their respects thereafter for a

1:00:11.840 --> 1:00:13.640
<v Speaker 2>few years on the day.

1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:13.959
<v Speaker 1>Of his death.

1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And so to me, it's like, if you have a

1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:21.040
<v Speaker 2>hard time grasping telepathy in humans, look at the animals,

1:00:21.920 --> 1:00:26.400
<v Speaker 2>because we're pretty closely related, you know, And there's just

1:00:26.440 --> 1:00:31.280
<v Speaker 2>some beautiful treasures of stories of this telepathic link expressing

1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:32.200
<v Speaker 2>itself in nature.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing that really stood out to me was I

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<v Speaker 1>think you said that the American Speech Language Hearing Association

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<v Speaker 1>says that spelling is not a valid form of communication,

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<v Speaker 1>and they call it a pseudoscience. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's interesting as well. Why is it considered that way.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a history here for sure, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>the first thing that kind of made the stigma around

1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:57.320
<v Speaker 2>spelling really take hold was with facilitated communication, Where facilitated

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<v Speaker 2>communication was the first Oh my gosh, visuals are spelling

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<v Speaker 2>that people thought were locked inside and could never spell,

1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:06.480
<v Speaker 2>and that required like touch and the use of touch

1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:10.280
<v Speaker 2>became problematic, I think, especially with some people who weren't trained,

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<v Speaker 2>because some awful court cases erupted from consent that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>given right, horrible things that happened through through this form

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<v Speaker 2>of spelling. So then spelling evolved into rapid prompting method

1:01:24.240 --> 1:01:26.760
<v Speaker 2>and spelling to communicate. And now the speller's method where

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<v Speaker 2>no touch at all, I mean you cannot touch it as

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<v Speaker 2>like a tenant of that. And when you sit in

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<v Speaker 2>the room with a speller, it's really remarkable to watch,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because they're not being touched.

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<v Speaker 3>They're spelling.

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<v Speaker 2>It's clear they're pointing directly to where they want to go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like a struggle. The parent is certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>going like this, you know. Often it's completely like rooted.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really difficult that that stigma exists because these

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<v Speaker 2>individuals are having to prove constantly I'm in here, my

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<v Speaker 2>words are mine, I authored them, and that's really hard.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will say that this is not a new thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Sign language took over one hundred years to become accepted,

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<v Speaker 2>even in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I won't me through that. I didn't know that.

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<v Speaker 1>I learned that through listening like, yeah, one hundred and

1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:06.040
<v Speaker 1>fifty years, Yeah, sign language took to be accepted. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what would the steps? Do you know that?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think people were saying it wasn't a

1:02:09.040 --> 1:02:13.320
<v Speaker 2>real language, there's no grammatical structure. The rallying cry was

1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:17.040
<v Speaker 2>that anyone who is deaf should learn to read lips

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<v Speaker 2>and try to speak basically fit into our world. We

1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.920
<v Speaker 2>are not going to allow this language to take place.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing happened with braille. Louis Brailed, the inventor of braille,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of modified this language where you could use dots

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<v Speaker 2>to communicate, and it was considered it was outlawed. They

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<v Speaker 2>weren't allowed to use it in school where he was

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<v Speaker 2>going to school. When they finally did a big test

1:02:37.280 --> 1:02:40.280
<v Speaker 2>to prove like one person who was blind was going

1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:42.480
<v Speaker 2>to spell something and another person was going to read it,

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<v Speaker 2>because the kids were using it like quietly, even though

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<v Speaker 2>it was like outlawed in the school. And when they

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<v Speaker 2>did that big test with viewers and people to watch,

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<v Speaker 2>the first big claim was they're cheating. They practiced an

1:02:51.720 --> 1:02:54.120
<v Speaker 2>advance to pretend what they were going to write. It

1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:57.480
<v Speaker 2>seemed outlandish that you could read dots with your finger

1:02:58.240 --> 1:03:01.760
<v Speaker 2>and spell by poking holes into something, and so Braille

1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:04.120
<v Speaker 2>went through the same dilemma. And so I think like

1:03:04.400 --> 1:03:07.480
<v Speaker 2>this control of how we use language, who's allowed to

1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:11.280
<v Speaker 2>use it, and if it's valid is not new, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's really unfortunate because that is a human right to communicate,

1:03:16.600 --> 1:03:18.360
<v Speaker 2>to say what you want for dinner, I mean, the

1:03:18.400 --> 1:03:21.800
<v Speaker 2>most basic things. And if anyone out there is critiquing

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<v Speaker 2>this without seeing a speller in action, I just think

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<v Speaker 2>it's like a crime because you are trying to steal

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<v Speaker 2>a voice from another living human being.

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<v Speaker 3>It's really mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, what do the skeptics think is going

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<v Speaker 1>on in those homes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot around the tests around spelling right to

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<v Speaker 2>prove it's like efficacy have really changed throughout the years.

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<v Speaker 2>So at first it's like, okay, no touch. Well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no touch.

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<v Speaker 3>Now sit further apart. Okay, sit further apart. That's working.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it's like the parent shouldn't look at the board. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well we won't look at the board. Then it's like

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<v Speaker 2>then can the parent leave the room? Well, there's something fascinating,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why I think it's really important that this

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<v Speaker 2>whole telepathy bit is getting out there because I think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who work with spellers, and there

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<v Speaker 2>are some spellers who are absolutely independent, like they're rock

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<v Speaker 2>and roll and they're off to the races and it's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Journey and it's a evolution.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's certainly many spellers I've talked to who say, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I need a person nearby, a trusted communication partner. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's the physiology is grounding them.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it is that it's helpful to

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<v Speaker 2>use their eyes. I have no idea what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's this beautiful kind of meshing that happens, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in the earlier parts of the journey that are a

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<v Speaker 2>bit inexplicable, and if you try to test it, it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be like how do you explain that?

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, But it takes two people to

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<v Speaker 2>do sign language, you know, you can't do it alone.

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<v Speaker 2>And so if this partner, and it doesn't always have

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<v Speaker 2>to often people have many partners, right, There might be

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<v Speaker 2>some communication partners at school and it work and with

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<v Speaker 2>a parent, But if that partner is needed to be

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere in the space to ground you, why does it matter,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, why does it actually matter if they're typing

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<v Speaker 2>on their own with their finger, new thoughts, self diagnosing,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about things other people don't know about. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's clear they're in there and they're communicating their thoughts.

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<v Speaker 2>Why it is that someone might need to be in

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<v Speaker 2>the room to help them do it, that's a science

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<v Speaker 2>question that I can't answer. I think it has to

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<v Speaker 2>do with physiology. I think it has to do with energy.

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<v Speaker 2>It might have to do with like using someone else's

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<v Speaker 2>like frequency to help you just stabilize. I have no

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<v Speaker 2>iight or integrate with your body.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it is. I don't think anyone knows.

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<v Speaker 2>But people are asking the wrong questions because they're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to test test test tests this and not looking at like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why is that link needed to make spelling work? But

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<v Speaker 2>certainly the individuals are typing their own thoughts, often self

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<v Speaker 2>diagnosing their own care spelling things that the spelling partner

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<v Speaker 2>might not know about. This fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>What's been your If you had to pick a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of favorite stories or experiences that have really stayed with

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<v Speaker 1>your relationships you've built with some of the parents and families,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean speaking individuals that stand out to you

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<v Speaker 1>that you shared on telepathy type.

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<v Speaker 2>So every day is a bit of a it's a

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful thing. And I think about even now that we

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<v Speaker 2>have a film team working on this, that they are

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<v Speaker 2>starting to send their stories with Like my producer just

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the other day and she's like, I just met

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<v Speaker 2>this mom and then her daughter walked in the room

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<v Speaker 2>and knew my name and where I lived and what

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<v Speaker 2>my child's name was, and like why I hadn't said

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<v Speaker 2>any of that and how did she know that? And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, exactly, it's welcome, you know, welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the party, and it's.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>And like one of my favorite memories was once there's

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<v Speaker 2>a mom that was trying to get a hold of

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<v Speaker 2>me and I was busy on like phone calls and

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't able to answer, and I was a little concerned,

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<v Speaker 2>like maybe it's an emergency.

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<v Speaker 3>Fast forward, it's like lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>I walk out of my home office into my kitchen

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm making lunch in the phone rings and I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, your timing is perfect, and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know, I just I just was told

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<v Speaker 2>you walked out to get lunch and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 2>where it's like oh my goodness, Like are they remote

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<v Speaker 2>viewing me sometimes, you know, which is fine.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's just it's it's like it's of magic every day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm not claiming to have any telepathic abilities, but

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<v Speaker 1>I have this habit of whenever I think of someone,

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<v Speaker 1>I always messes them, even if I don't need anything

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<v Speaker 1>or want anything. And nine nine percent of the time

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<v Speaker 1>when I think of someone, I don't want anything or

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<v Speaker 1>need something, yeah, so I'll just message them and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of you and you know, sending love them

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<v Speaker 1>here for you. And nine to nine percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>time someone will mess me back and say I was

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<v Speaker 1>just thinking about you, yeah, or I need really need

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<v Speaker 1>to try now whatever it may be. Now, whatever that is,

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<v Speaker 1>I always love the magic of being able to send

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<v Speaker 1>that message, whether it mis met with a positive response

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<v Speaker 1>or not. Yeah, And it's just a beautiful thing to try.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I just love that your work is

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<v Speaker 1>making us more curious and opening us up to these ideas,

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<v Speaker 1>because that, to me, is the part of us that's

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<v Speaker 1>missing when it comes to spiritual innovation.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Mark Twain talked about he called it mental telegraphy,

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<v Speaker 2>and this was his observation that often you would write

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<v Speaker 2>a letter to someone you haven't thought about in five,

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<v Speaker 2>seven years or you know, and then the day that

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<v Speaker 2>you postmarked it, you'd receive a lot or seven days

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<v Speaker 2>later or whatever it was postmarked the same day from

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<v Speaker 2>that person on the other side of the globe. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's like you both had like the physical male proof

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<v Speaker 2>of when you sent the letter. And Mark Swain marveled

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<v Speaker 2>in that, as one should. And Upton Sinclair, who wrote

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<v Speaker 2>The Jungle, I mean, you know, beautiful writer. And one

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<v Speaker 2>of his books that he wrote after he had gone

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<v Speaker 2>through his life was called Mental Radio, where him and

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<v Speaker 2>his wife did a bunch of telepathy tests together and

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<v Speaker 2>they documented how accurate they were. And I love the

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<v Speaker 2>opening to that book by Upton Sinclair because he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>this would be the type of thing that should be

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed or you should you know, is held with such

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<v Speaker 2>high skepticism. But what he said is, after I've experienced it,

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<v Speaker 2>I know this to be true. And I loved his words.

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<v Speaker 2>He wasn't like I think this is true. It was

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<v Speaker 2>I know this is true. So this has all been around.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what about as you can to ask you boy,

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<v Speaker 1>the connection between dreams and telepathy. Has there been any

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<v Speaker 1>connection there. Have you come across anything between those?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I think for people who are deeply

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<v Speaker 2>interested in that. We have an episode on that, which

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<v Speaker 2>is episode eight of the selepty Tapes, which I encourage

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<v Speaker 2>people to listen to an order. But there was one

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<v Speaker 2>mom in England and I wanted to we have a

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<v Speaker 2>spelling episode all about spelling, and that's episode eight where

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<v Speaker 2>we go into the issues around spelling. But I thought

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best non speakers to highlight in that

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<v Speaker 2>episode would be someone who never learned to spell and

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<v Speaker 2>him and his mom have a telepathic link together, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's formed in their dreams where he brings her into

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<v Speaker 2>a lucid dreaming state the first time it ever happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I love this story. He was younger, I think he

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<v Speaker 2>was maybe like eleven or so. Came to her in

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<v Speaker 2>a dream and she thought she was dreaming, and then

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<v Speaker 2>he gave her an ace of spades and did this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing like look through the ace of spades, and

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<v Speaker 2>she like woke up into a lucid dream and then

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<v Speaker 2>he started talking and telling her all this stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>remember this in the morning, and they're going to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I need you know, antibiotics, but I need probiotics and

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>So she woke up in the morning and thought, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I just had a dream and he was talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't think anything of it, and then he went and

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<v Speaker 2>saw her the next morning, grabbed up ace of spades

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<v Speaker 2>from a deck in the other room and like, show

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<v Speaker 2>did what he did in the dream. And that's when

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<v Speaker 2>she she realized, oh, my goodness, he came to my

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<v Speaker 2>in my dream and was talking there and that's how

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<v Speaker 2>they have deep conversations and they actually start writing music

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<v Speaker 2>together that way. She didn't know he was a musician

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<v Speaker 2>until he was starting music therapy late in his life,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in his twenties. Once you discovered that, he

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<v Speaker 2>started coming to earn dreams and being like this is

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<v Speaker 2>a melody or these are the lyrics, you need to

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<v Speaker 2>write this down. And now he's I mean, he's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>well respected musician in England. Wow, it's all through dreams.

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<v Speaker 1>It's incredible. And one of the things that I came

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<v Speaker 1>across listening that I wanted to know more about is

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<v Speaker 1>John Paul and Lily and that connection. Can you explain

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<v Speaker 1>that to the audience who may not have had it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean there's a non speaker featured in sy tape.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is John Paul's episode four. He's episode four,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's ginormous. I mean he's almost he's like almost

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<v Speaker 2>seven feet doll. He's a huge individual. And he had

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<v Speaker 2>a girlfriend named Lily. They would letter board, but they'd

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<v Speaker 2>often say when they were letter boarding it was for

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<v Speaker 2>like everyone's benefit around them, that most of their relationship

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<v Speaker 2>was telepathic. And John Paul's mother used to say it

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<v Speaker 2>was really funny because they would go on like dates

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<v Speaker 2>at her house, and like they'd be on different floors

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<v Speaker 2>and she'd be like, are they even hanging out?

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<v Speaker 3>Like what is this?

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<v Speaker 2>And then she would leave and John Paul would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>that was so great. We had so many awesome conversations,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because a lot of it was happening in

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<v Speaker 2>mine to mine, and it was just a beautiful part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And the parents would kind of marvel at

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<v Speaker 2>like sometimes in the exact second they each each would

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<v Speaker 2>come down and say, I want to go see you know,

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<v Speaker 2>John Paul, I want to go see Lily. We text

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<v Speaker 2>and the text would come in from each other right

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, and that's when the parents were like,

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<v Speaker 2>they're talking to each other from where they're what, how

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<v Speaker 2>is this happening? It was telepathy, so yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>and that you know, John Paul loved Lily so much,

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<v Speaker 2>and Lily loves John Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, they really wanted to get married.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think it's such an important, beautiful element of this,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's important for everyone to understand, is

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<v Speaker 2>like a non speaking individual is still an individual with

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<v Speaker 2>their high school interests and you know, hobbies and desires

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<v Speaker 2>and bands they like and clothes they like and things

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<v Speaker 2>they want and relationships they want. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 2>the spiritual gifts is just a part of it. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just a part of it. Like I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 2>hell to look at these individuals as orcoles or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're human beings that're just sort of more tapped into this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, right, And I think that's an really important

1:12:09.160 --> 1:12:11.960
<v Speaker 1>point that you made there. It's like we all have

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<v Speaker 1>different gifts and abilities, and it's just I think if

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<v Speaker 1>you start to think that this person is gifted beyond that,

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<v Speaker 1>that I can get quite messy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, in any way for anything, for.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, you know, I mean, Lily likes biking and go karting,

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<v Speaker 2>and John paul love poetry and swimming and manatees, and

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<v Speaker 2>like Mia from episode one wants to be a writer.

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<v Speaker 3>She wants to go to Japan.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the most important thing is to know any individual

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<v Speaker 2>what makes them tick, what their interests are, what they

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<v Speaker 2>want to do with their lives. I mean, like, these

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<v Speaker 2>are the questions we all should be entitled to answer

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<v Speaker 2>for ourselves and every non speaking individual. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>want people to remember this as an individual that should

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<v Speaker 2>be met in that way. And this is these gifts,

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<v Speaker 2>if they appear in such an individual is beautiful and cool.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't define them. Can you explain the well, this

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<v Speaker 2>was something that didn't form for me as like a

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<v Speaker 2>valid thing. Immediately, there was a few non speakers in

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<v Speaker 2>Atlanta that said that they connect on the Hill telepathically

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<v Speaker 2>and that it's a chat chat room basically a telepathic

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<v Speaker 2>chatroom where you can tune in. And Houston was a

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<v Speaker 2>name who named it. He actually named it the Chat

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<v Speaker 2>on the Hill to talk on the Hill. And then

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<v Speaker 2>his good friend John Paula said that he goes there

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<v Speaker 2>and he would put pillows on his head to block

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<v Speaker 2>out stuff. And then his girlfriend Lily said she goes

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<v Speaker 2>there and that a lot of people can get there

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<v Speaker 2>and that there's more than one hill. So I had

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time wrapping my head around that. And at

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<v Speaker 2>first I'm like, Okay, it's an Atlanta thing, like the

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<v Speaker 2>individuals in Atlanta are doing this where I really talk

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<v Speaker 2>about two by four like. There's been a few moments,

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<v Speaker 2>and for one for me was when I had just

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<v Speaker 2>met this new teacher in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>She had no idea idea about telepathy at all.

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<v Speaker 2>She had reached out to doctor Powell because her students

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<v Speaker 2>were talking about ghosts and seeing ghosts and knowing things

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<v Speaker 2>and it totally weird to tell her not weird, like

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<v Speaker 2>this was just weird. So she she absently called me

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<v Speaker 2>and doctor Powell she's explaining this. I did a follow

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<v Speaker 2>up with her once she saw that tslup It with

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<v Speaker 2>his happening, and then she said, and you would not

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<v Speaker 2>believe it, like some of the kids are saying they

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<v Speaker 2>go to this place called the hill, and on the

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<v Speaker 2>hill they can learn this and learn that, And I

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<v Speaker 2>thought what.

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<v Speaker 3>And then fully.

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<v Speaker 2>Third person was this minister from like a mega church

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<v Speaker 2>in Arizona. I met him. He was very nervous to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this. He was writing his own book. He

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<v Speaker 2>thought this was only in his congregation that he you know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a miracle that he alone was privy to.

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<v Speaker 2>I met him and then he was telling me a

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<v Speaker 2>story about how one of his students would just met

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<v Speaker 2>with another non speaker from another church in another state,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, and they were talking about the Weirrees,

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<v Speaker 2>saying when they're going through the phone, they started spelling

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<v Speaker 2>to each other. Meet me at the Hill and he's like,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what that is? And I think I

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<v Speaker 2>was stunned because now here's someone in Minnesota talking about Arizona,

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago and Atlanta. So after I had to go through

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Hill references to believe it myself, and

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<v Speaker 2>now there's no doubt in my mind.

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<v Speaker 1>That's I can't wait to learn more about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very frustrating, I think for a lot non speakers,

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<v Speaker 2>because you want to do something and your body totally

1:15:01.120 --> 1:15:03.880
<v Speaker 2>betrays you. You might want to enter a room instead

1:15:03.880 --> 1:15:06.200
<v Speaker 2>you're leaving it. And the only time it seems like

1:15:06.200 --> 1:15:08.720
<v Speaker 2>they're able to really like gather and communicate their true

1:15:08.760 --> 1:15:11.960
<v Speaker 2>thoughts is through spelling. That mind body disconnect taught me

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<v Speaker 2>a lot because, for instance, a Keel who we feature

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<v Speaker 2>in episode two, he.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't know who his body was.

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<v Speaker 2>And for a lot of people who need to be

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<v Speaker 2>touched when they first learned spelling is because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>know where their body is. A Kiell didn't know he

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<v Speaker 2>had fingers. He had to be massaged over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember Houston when he first was spelling. He said

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<v Speaker 2>he needed heavy boots so he knew where the ground was.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you can imagine if you don't feel connected

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<v Speaker 2>to your body to the point where you don't even

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<v Speaker 2>think you have one, you're.

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<v Speaker 3>Living in the mental world. That consciousness is fundamental.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes even more sense now, I think it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Less about non speaking people. I don't think it has

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<v Speaker 2>much to do with autism at all. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>has to do with apraxia and not being connected to

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<v Speaker 2>your body.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is completely Yeah, that makes so much more sense.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was looking at studies on monk's brains, they

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<v Speaker 1>found that when monks who are doing the deepest meditations,

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<v Speaker 1>if they put their hand on a hot plate which

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<v Speaker 1>most of us would touch and immediately take our hand back,

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<v Speaker 1>that they were able to keep their hand on it

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<v Speaker 1>because they're disconnected from the physical experience, so it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feel hot to them at all because they were so

1:16:17.720 --> 1:16:22.080
<v Speaker 1>removed from their physical state. And those studies have been

1:16:22.120 --> 1:16:24.800
<v Speaker 1>improven and shown and just that idea of being so

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<v Speaker 1>deep in meditation that you didn't feel heat, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think people, you know, it's really interesting to think about

1:16:31.680 --> 1:16:34.799
<v Speaker 1>Eastern traditions. There's a beautiful statement by C. S. Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>that says, you don't have a soul, you are the soul,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have a body and going to your consciousness.

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<v Speaker 1>Point that idea that because we live as if we

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<v Speaker 1>are the body, Eastern traditions wouldn't argue that therefore we

1:16:49.360 --> 1:16:51.800
<v Speaker 1>only know what the body knows. We only know our

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<v Speaker 1>limits based on physicality. But for those of us that

1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:58.240
<v Speaker 1>know we're not the body and that we're consciousness so

1:16:58.320 --> 1:17:01.080
<v Speaker 1>much more as accessible and that's where you'll point around

1:17:01.120 --> 1:17:04.599
<v Speaker 1>belief system and value system and everything else come in

1:17:04.680 --> 1:17:07.320
<v Speaker 1>that I'll wait a minute, I'm not actually just limited

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<v Speaker 1>by this.

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<v Speaker 2>Right absolutely, And I think that like when we understand

1:17:10.840 --> 1:17:14.800
<v Speaker 2>that and praxia and the mind body disconnect, and that

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<v Speaker 2>can help inform a lot of the confusion around spelling,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because certainly if you don't know where your

1:17:21.080 --> 1:17:23.040
<v Speaker 2>body is when you're learning, it helps to touch. And

1:17:23.040 --> 1:17:25.519
<v Speaker 2>that's why when people throw facility communication out because you're

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<v Speaker 2>being touched, it's like no, if that's working for someone

1:17:27.680 --> 1:17:29.679
<v Speaker 2>and they need pressure the whole time to know where

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<v Speaker 2>their hand.

1:17:30.520 --> 1:17:34.400
<v Speaker 3>Is, put pressure on their hands so they can spell awesome.

1:17:34.800 --> 1:17:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Cool, Like let's assist people to get to their best

1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:39.680
<v Speaker 2>selves and their whole you know. But yeah, the mind

1:17:39.720 --> 1:17:41.720
<v Speaker 2>body disconnect then not knowing where your body is because

1:17:41.760 --> 1:17:43.960
<v Speaker 2>non speakers say that over and over and over and

1:17:44.000 --> 1:17:46.040
<v Speaker 2>over again that they're not living in their body. They

1:17:46.080 --> 1:17:48.240
<v Speaker 2>don't feel their body, they don't have control over their body,

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<v Speaker 2>and so so.

1:17:49.520 --> 1:17:51.879
<v Speaker 3>Then what is the reality. It's not the body reality.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a different reality, yes, And this is what we're

1:17:54.200 --> 1:17:56.960
<v Speaker 2>all tuning into, this different reality that they're able to

1:17:57.400 --> 1:18:00.760
<v Speaker 2>talk about as messengers because of a flight. Honestly, I

1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:03.080
<v Speaker 2>think most of them feel very frustrated about the inability

1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:05.719
<v Speaker 2>to control their body, but the gifts that come along

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<v Speaker 2>with it. And John Paul when he said some I

1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:11.559
<v Speaker 2>think Libby once asked him, like, you know, what about

1:18:11.600 --> 1:18:14.000
<v Speaker 2>what do you love most about yourself and he was like, everything,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So I do think like that experience of

1:18:16.920 --> 1:18:19.479
<v Speaker 2>not being tethered to your body can be beautiful. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just different from what we're seeing. We're seeing a body

1:18:22.160 --> 1:18:24.320
<v Speaker 2>that's having a very difficult time managing in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but their experience is not bodily to the same degree.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was speaking to one of my friends the

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<v Speaker 1>other day and he was he's very deep into AI,

1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and he was explaining to me that if you looked

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<v Speaker 1>at an extremely, extremely below average individual in terms of IQ,

1:18:40.560 --> 1:18:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Einstein was only two point four more times intelligent than

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<v Speaker 1>that person, and then if you look at AI, we

1:18:46.800 --> 1:18:51.160
<v Speaker 1>can't even comprehend how intelligent AI is because AI is

1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:54.639
<v Speaker 1>going to be is already one hundred times more intelligent

1:18:54.680 --> 1:18:57.920
<v Speaker 1>than that, million times more intelligent, could be expansively ten

1:18:57.960 --> 1:19:01.920
<v Speaker 1>million times more intelligent than Ein's, which is bizarre to

1:19:01.960 --> 1:19:04.800
<v Speaker 1>even experience and imagine, because how could someone be more

1:19:04.840 --> 1:19:08.400
<v Speaker 1>intelligent and have a better IQ than Einstein. And it's

1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:09.840
<v Speaker 1>just really interesting when you look at it from that

1:19:09.920 --> 1:19:14.080
<v Speaker 1>dimension that I think we're already with AI experiencing something

1:19:14.160 --> 1:19:19.400
<v Speaker 1>quite remarkable and quite beyond like it. It's quite phenomenal.

1:19:19.479 --> 1:19:21.840
<v Speaker 1>That we kind of take it as something that's to

1:19:21.840 --> 1:19:25.719
<v Speaker 1>some degree becoming normalized, when it's really not that normal

1:19:25.960 --> 1:19:28.200
<v Speaker 1>that there are going to be and just because we

1:19:28.240 --> 1:19:31.720
<v Speaker 1>see it as computers in tech, but being able to

1:19:31.800 --> 1:19:34.439
<v Speaker 1>understand us, being able to know our needs, being able

1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:37.040
<v Speaker 1>to know what we want to hear. I've read so

1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:40.000
<v Speaker 1>many articles with people now using AI as their therapist

1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and everything else and feeling so understood. But that's the

1:19:45.439 --> 1:19:47.479
<v Speaker 1>same kind of curiosity and openness we have to have

1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:50.240
<v Speaker 1>over here, of just being open to marvel at these

1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:55.080
<v Speaker 1>incredible abilities. I don't know if that resonates or wrong.

1:19:55.240 --> 1:19:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, no, I think it's fascinating. I mean, I

1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:01.840
<v Speaker 2>think we can attach so much of our personal needs

1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:05.680
<v Speaker 2>onto anything, you know what I mean. And AI is

1:20:05.760 --> 1:20:08.240
<v Speaker 2>just all of this is converging at the same time.

1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:10.599
<v Speaker 2>And that's what that's what's most interesting, is like AI

1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and like what that's making us question about consciousness. I

1:20:12.920 --> 1:20:16.320
<v Speaker 2>think even like psychedelics and people's embrace of how that

1:20:16.360 --> 1:20:19.640
<v Speaker 2>can help with mental health and explorations of consciousness and

1:20:19.680 --> 1:20:22.280
<v Speaker 2>the trials are doing where people feel like they are

1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:25.479
<v Speaker 2>certain there's more, you know, and that's happening with this

1:20:25.760 --> 1:20:29.479
<v Speaker 2>exposure of what the non speakers are hoping to I

1:20:29.479 --> 1:20:34.679
<v Speaker 2>think teach us alongside sudden interests and validation are uap

1:20:34.920 --> 1:20:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Like it seems like it's all converging at once. Yes,

1:20:37.680 --> 1:20:40.000
<v Speaker 2>and we're just like in the water of it right now.

1:20:40.040 --> 1:20:41.960
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't even think we realize how significant this

1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:45.479
<v Speaker 2>moment is for humans and consciousness. It's a cool time

1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:45.960
<v Speaker 2>to be alive.

1:20:46.320 --> 1:20:49.040
<v Speaker 1>How do we make sure that it's not made quiet

1:20:49.479 --> 1:20:51.519
<v Speaker 1>and put down because I imagine that that's you know,

1:20:51.880 --> 1:20:53.840
<v Speaker 1>a natural thing that's happened in the past as well.

1:20:53.920 --> 1:20:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that it's been it's back down and just.

1:20:55.760 --> 1:20:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's seen as scary, it's or people are like,

1:20:58.960 --> 1:21:01.240
<v Speaker 1>oh this is bad or or it's you know, whatever

1:21:01.439 --> 1:21:03.240
<v Speaker 1>is How do how do we make sure that we

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<v Speaker 1>keep asking these questions?

1:21:04.560 --> 1:21:07.519
<v Speaker 2>And I think social media has changed everything because I

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<v Speaker 2>think the scaffolding of control was always very powerful before,

1:21:11.760 --> 1:21:14.360
<v Speaker 2>because it's like someone had the ability to silence you

1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:16.080
<v Speaker 2>and no one would know that happen, Like you could

1:21:16.080 --> 1:21:19.080
<v Speaker 2>be just quieted and not be able to your truth out.

1:21:19.120 --> 1:21:21.040
<v Speaker 2>They'd steal your camera and it was done, you know.

1:21:21.400 --> 1:21:25.080
<v Speaker 2>But I feel like or there just be a mass discredit,

1:21:25.360 --> 1:21:29.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, discrediting of someone. What's happening now with social

1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:32.160
<v Speaker 2>media is you can get out of truth very quickly

1:21:32.200 --> 1:21:34.719
<v Speaker 2>and find other people who agree and concur and thumb

1:21:34.800 --> 1:21:38.599
<v Speaker 2>up it, and and it's much it's much more difficult

1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:41.600
<v Speaker 2>to make someone seem bonkers, especially when there's a lot

1:21:41.600 --> 1:21:42.759
<v Speaker 2>of people validating a truth.

1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:45.439
<v Speaker 1>If scientists and others in the community are open to

1:21:46.560 --> 1:21:49.760
<v Speaker 1>wanting to go and be with the non speakers and

1:21:50.160 --> 1:21:51.680
<v Speaker 1>be a part of this, how do we do and

1:21:51.760 --> 1:21:53.519
<v Speaker 1>how does the general public do it in a way

1:21:53.560 --> 1:21:57.559
<v Speaker 1>that isn't disrespectful? Isn't because I can imagine that testing

1:21:57.600 --> 1:22:00.360
<v Speaker 1>and things could be exhausting for these individuals, the humans

1:22:00.400 --> 1:22:02.880
<v Speaker 1>with kind of you know, this whole process is somewhat

1:22:02.880 --> 1:22:03.639
<v Speaker 1>invasive of.

1:22:03.840 --> 1:22:07.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I get very nervous about that, and

1:22:07.280 --> 1:22:10.200
<v Speaker 2>I feel like scientists and researchers, it's like you have

1:22:10.240 --> 1:22:13.320
<v Speaker 2>your questions, but like just let's pause for a second,

1:22:13.360 --> 1:22:14.840
<v Speaker 2>you know. And one of the things that we've been

1:22:14.880 --> 1:22:17.639
<v Speaker 2>talking about and trying to start a foundation for and

1:22:17.760 --> 1:22:20.080
<v Speaker 2>put like profits that come in from the film or

1:22:20.080 --> 1:22:23.320
<v Speaker 2>anything or donations to this foundation that maybe could try

1:22:23.360 --> 1:22:27.400
<v Speaker 2>to open up centers in different states or cities where

1:22:27.439 --> 1:22:30.880
<v Speaker 2>non speakers can go and learn to spell for free

1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:34.880
<v Speaker 2>in an affordable way and have physical therapy, and parents

1:22:34.880 --> 1:22:37.120
<v Speaker 2>can have respite care where they can bring their child

1:22:37.160 --> 1:22:38.760
<v Speaker 2>here and they know they'll be well taken care of,

1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:40.679
<v Speaker 2>and the non speakers can have their physical and mental

1:22:40.720 --> 1:22:44.519
<v Speaker 2>and spiritual needs met. And then then only then it's

1:22:44.560 --> 1:22:48.040
<v Speaker 2>like if there's an interest that one individuals like I

1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:51.439
<v Speaker 2>do want to study Wales, then maybe like through these

1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:55.000
<v Speaker 2>centers of scientists who marine biologists could apply and they

1:22:55.040 --> 1:22:56.599
<v Speaker 2>have to learn how to spell, and they have to

1:22:56.640 --> 1:22:58.360
<v Speaker 2>like really get vetted and be on the level of

1:22:58.360 --> 1:23:00.200
<v Speaker 2>the non speakers, and then there could be like a

1:23:00.200 --> 1:23:01.920
<v Speaker 2>way that maybe where they pay the nonspeedch wo or

1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:04.559
<v Speaker 2>work with them and so that way it's equitable and

1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:08.439
<v Speaker 2>it's all centered on the non speaker and really working

1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:11.880
<v Speaker 2>to fit into their world instead of asking them to

1:23:11.960 --> 1:23:13.840
<v Speaker 2>be a square peg fitting into like the round.

1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:14.840
<v Speaker 3>Hole of our world.

1:23:15.080 --> 1:23:17.000
<v Speaker 2>And so I think we just have to approach it differently.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing that makes me sick is the idea of

1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:21.400
<v Speaker 2>someone being like I want to test on speakers, do

1:23:21.439 --> 1:23:23.240
<v Speaker 2>this and do that, Like that is gross and I

1:23:23.280 --> 1:23:26.320
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine. I don't think many families will I mean

1:23:26.360 --> 1:23:30.000
<v Speaker 2>some very science minded people might, but like I know

1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:32.080
<v Speaker 2>one of our individuals that is in our project like

1:23:32.160 --> 1:23:33.559
<v Speaker 2>really wants to learn plant medicine.

1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:34.400
<v Speaker 3>How awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>But like, let's find a scientist who deeply cares and

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<v Speaker 2>just doesn't want to like ask questions and cut and run,

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<v Speaker 2>like pay the individual, you know, bring them into the fold,

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<v Speaker 2>help with their education, you know. So there's a way

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<v Speaker 2>to do it ethically and we just have to get

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<v Speaker 2>there first.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that feel after thrown our years of work,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, like finally sharing it with the world and

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<v Speaker 1>receiving those emails yourself and what's that experience being like.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the worst outcome for me, which would have

1:23:59.040 --> 1:24:02.040
<v Speaker 2>been really would have been like if we were getting

1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:02.840
<v Speaker 2>emails being like.

1:24:02.800 --> 1:24:04.160
<v Speaker 3>This isn't true, this isn't true.

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<v Speaker 2>But the opposite has happened, where it's so many parents

1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:11.240
<v Speaker 2>who were like I always thought this was but you know,

1:24:11.280 --> 1:24:13.360
<v Speaker 2>my wife didn't believe me, or husband didn't believe me,

1:24:13.439 --> 1:24:15.639
<v Speaker 2>or bank like blank. And now like we're having open

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<v Speaker 2>conversations and we're setting it to the nieces and nephews

1:24:17.880 --> 1:24:20.599
<v Speaker 2>and uncle's nants and like that's really cool and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just so beautiful I mean it's beautiful because I think

1:24:22.880 --> 1:24:26.320
<v Speaker 2>people are finding community. And MY biggest concern always is

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<v Speaker 2>for people to live like a transparent whole life, like

1:24:29.200 --> 1:24:32.840
<v Speaker 2>don't compartmentalize, don't lie in secret, just be all of you.

1:24:33.560 --> 1:24:36.679
<v Speaker 2>And I think for non speaking individuals, they are able

1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:39.519
<v Speaker 2>to now be all of themselves because so many more

1:24:39.520 --> 1:24:42.760
<v Speaker 2>people are willing and able to see them and receive them.

1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:46.080
<v Speaker 2>That is beautiful, Like there's no there's nothing that can

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<v Speaker 2>compare to that.

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<v Speaker 1>And how has it impacted your personal or spiritual and

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness journey of understanding yourself on a deeper level.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I believe all sorts of things I did

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<v Speaker 2>in three and a half years ago. I certainly believe

1:25:00.040 --> 1:25:05.679
<v Speaker 2>that consciousness is survives. I actually think consciousness is not local.

1:25:05.720 --> 1:25:07.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe our body creates it. I mean I

1:25:07.920 --> 1:25:10.000
<v Speaker 2>think we help and assist in that, and our memories

1:25:10.040 --> 1:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>and all those things work together. But I think we

1:25:11.720 --> 1:25:15.400
<v Speaker 2>are working with consciousness coming in from somewhere else. I

1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:19.760
<v Speaker 2>certainly believe in things like precognition and siabilities and even

1:25:19.800 --> 1:25:22.320
<v Speaker 2>mediumship abilities, stuff like that that I didn't that I

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<v Speaker 2>dismissed before. Yeah, I mean, I'm forever changed you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's cool. Like I have young kids, and it's

1:25:28.040 --> 1:25:30.280
<v Speaker 2>cool watching how they're growing up with these things. I mean,

1:25:30.320 --> 1:25:32.120
<v Speaker 2>they hear about it all the time. It's hearing the

1:25:32.160 --> 1:25:35.760
<v Speaker 2>zoom calls and it's just part of their life. Like

1:25:35.760 --> 1:25:37.640
<v Speaker 2>I've saw my daughter playing barbies the other day and

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<v Speaker 2>they were this is actually a few years back when

1:25:39.680 --> 1:25:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I was still working on it, and they were divving

1:25:41.240 --> 1:25:42.920
<v Speaker 2>up like, Okay, your barbies are doing this, and this

1:25:43.000 --> 1:25:45.080
<v Speaker 2>is the identity of your barbies. My daughter goes and

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<v Speaker 2>my two barbies are non speakers. And then her friend

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<v Speaker 2>is like, well, how are they going to talk? And

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<v Speaker 2>she's like through telepathy and she's like, oh my gosh,

1:25:53.120 --> 1:25:57.479
<v Speaker 2>that's great, you know, just watching it, like being part

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<v Speaker 2>and parcel of you know, their world.

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<v Speaker 3>That was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the wildest thought of yours they read when you didn't?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it was an embarrassing thought and I had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea the extent and I'm not even going to

1:26:09.680 --> 1:26:11.519
<v Speaker 2>say what it was. But we were sitting at a

1:26:11.520 --> 1:26:13.400
<v Speaker 2>table and it was after a long Dave shooting. Doctor

1:26:13.439 --> 1:26:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Powell was there, We had another neuroscientist there, I think

1:26:15.880 --> 1:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Katie was there. Houston was there, and I remember I

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember exactly what the thought was, but it was

1:26:20.960 --> 1:26:23.040
<v Speaker 2>enough that was like an embarrassing, silly thing. And all

1:26:23.040 --> 1:26:24.720
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, the second I thought it, Houston like

1:26:25.040 --> 1:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>laughed and like spit out his beer practically, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, he heard my thought. And that was

1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:33.040
<v Speaker 2>where I was like, wow, okay, like because when we

1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.760
<v Speaker 2>were doing the selepathy test, it's one thing. But when

1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:36.920
<v Speaker 2>you experience it over like a beer and you realize

1:26:36.960 --> 1:26:39.519
<v Speaker 2>someone heard your thought and like laughed, that was and

1:26:39.600 --> 1:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, okay, I gotta like clean it out again

1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:42.639
<v Speaker 2>and clear it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, guy, is there anything that I didn't ask you

1:26:45.240 --> 1:26:47.400
<v Speaker 1>that you really wanted to share or someone that's on

1:26:47.439 --> 1:26:49.640
<v Speaker 1>your ow mind that you didn't get to speak on

1:26:49.680 --> 1:26:50.599
<v Speaker 1>that you would like to share.

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<v Speaker 2>The final episode of the Selepathy Tapes, I gave the

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<v Speaker 2>floor to speakers from all over the world, and I

1:26:56.520 --> 1:26:58.479
<v Speaker 2>think the best lessons aren't there, And like one thing

1:26:58.520 --> 1:27:01.280
<v Speaker 2>that I think about all time, as one of the

1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:03.799
<v Speaker 2>non speakers said that kindness is the best way to evolve,

1:27:03.920 --> 1:27:08.080
<v Speaker 2>and so I just want people to think about that.

1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>And when people are very afraid about you know, one

1:27:10.000 --> 1:27:12.120
<v Speaker 2>thing you didn't ask about was like the fear about

1:27:12.160 --> 1:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>reading thoughts. And I had to think about that a

1:27:14.000 --> 1:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>lot over the past few years, that why does that

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<v Speaker 2>so scary to people? And I think it's scary because

1:27:20.240 --> 1:27:22.080
<v Speaker 2>people don't maybe like the thoughts in their head, or

1:27:22.120 --> 1:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>it's too you know, they'd feel too exposed. But if

1:27:25.040 --> 1:27:27.120
<v Speaker 2>we are capable of this, and we're being called maybe

1:27:27.160 --> 1:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>to like get to a place where this is a

1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:32.280
<v Speaker 2>communication we're all capable of, then we're first called to

1:27:32.280 --> 1:27:34.479
<v Speaker 2>like clean our own thoughts a little bit. And that's

1:27:34.600 --> 1:27:36.600
<v Speaker 2>easy to control. How you think about people, how you

1:27:36.600 --> 1:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>think about yourself, how you think about the world around you,

1:27:38.720 --> 1:27:41.799
<v Speaker 2>the choices you're making, and if you are conscious about

1:27:41.840 --> 1:27:45.120
<v Speaker 2>those thoughts all the time and making them pure and loving,

1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:47.720
<v Speaker 2>it's not scary if someone's reading them, you know. So

1:27:48.000 --> 1:27:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I think that, like I love that that kindness is

1:27:51.000 --> 1:27:53.679
<v Speaker 2>the best way to evolve, because some nonspeakers are saying, hey,

1:27:53.760 --> 1:27:55.280
<v Speaker 2>we are all capable of this, this is where we're

1:27:55.280 --> 1:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>going to go. We all have to do that hard

1:27:57.240 --> 1:28:00.520
<v Speaker 2>work of like becoming more loving kind individuals.

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<v Speaker 1>First, do you think it's possible that we will become

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<v Speaker 1>capable of have the opportunity to become capable to communicate

1:28:06.760 --> 1:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>that way.

1:28:07.520 --> 1:28:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Many non speakers I've met have said that we are

1:28:09.680 --> 1:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>capable of that, and again I trust their insights more

1:28:14.280 --> 1:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>than I trust my own. I do think we're all

1:28:16.000 --> 1:28:18.640
<v Speaker 2>capable of it. I've seen it turned on in teachers.

1:28:18.720 --> 1:28:22.120
<v Speaker 2>I think it's all possible, and I think for those

1:28:22.600 --> 1:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>it's scary to take a look inside. Let that be

1:28:25.280 --> 1:28:28.759
<v Speaker 2>a mirror, you know, And it's a beautiful thing because

1:28:28.800 --> 1:28:30.640
<v Speaker 2>one non speaker and then I know it will end.

1:28:30.640 --> 1:28:33.320
<v Speaker 2>But like one non speaker once said that, look, if

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<v Speaker 2>you say the word Thanksgiving, you've said the word Thanksgiving.

1:28:36.680 --> 1:28:39.719
<v Speaker 2>But if I telepathically send it, you're given the football

1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:41.800
<v Speaker 2>game on and your uncle pulling up and sleeping your

1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:44.839
<v Speaker 2>childhood bed, and the smells and like your favorite candy

1:28:44.920 --> 1:28:47.240
<v Speaker 2>and seeing this person and the smell of your mom's

1:28:47.439 --> 1:28:50.000
<v Speaker 2>hair and like all the whole thing, And it's an

1:28:50.040 --> 1:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>experience that is so immensely beautiful and there's no sarcasm,

1:28:53.760 --> 1:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and there's no withholding, and there's no exaggerating. It's all

1:28:57.360 --> 1:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>just the pure And to me, it's like, Wow, what

1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.680
<v Speaker 2>would happen if we were all living that way? So

1:29:03.800 --> 1:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>if we do get to a space where more of

1:29:05.320 --> 1:29:07.639
<v Speaker 2>us are telepathically communicating. I think it's gonna be good

1:29:07.640 --> 1:29:08.920
<v Speaker 2>for humanity, not bad.

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<v Speaker 1>If you knew what someone was thinking, how would you

1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>speak differently too, I think that's the other side. One

1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:17.719
<v Speaker 1>side is being able to read and maybe someone cleaning

1:29:17.720 --> 1:29:19.920
<v Speaker 1>their thoughts. But if I could see what you were thinking,

1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:22.000
<v Speaker 1>how would I speak to you differently? Ho would I

1:29:22.040 --> 1:29:25.080
<v Speaker 1>look at you differently? How would I connect with you differently?

1:29:25.160 --> 1:29:29.519
<v Speaker 1>It would transform hopefully how we'd take care of each

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<v Speaker 1>other as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It does totally.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've learned that just being around on speaker is

1:29:33.280 --> 1:29:35.479
<v Speaker 2>making sure Like in my thoughts it's like, okay, like

1:29:36.320 --> 1:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>they're being read, so just make sure they're and then

1:29:38.200 --> 1:29:40.720
<v Speaker 2>so the whole day you're empty. Actually it's like you're

1:29:40.760 --> 1:29:43.320
<v Speaker 2>meditating in a way, like my keep my thoughts really empty.

1:29:43.960 --> 1:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>And I actually find even like directing it's with them

1:29:47.360 --> 1:29:49.560
<v Speaker 2>is easier to do that. Like you're just empty out

1:29:49.760 --> 1:29:51.080
<v Speaker 2>and you feel better at the end of the day.

1:29:51.080 --> 1:29:52.599
<v Speaker 2>You feel great at the end of the day. You're

1:29:52.640 --> 1:29:54.599
<v Speaker 2>living in the moment because most of our thoughts are

1:29:54.600 --> 1:29:56.840
<v Speaker 2>what just happened or what's in the future, And when

1:29:56.840 --> 1:29:59.800
<v Speaker 2>you're just empty, You're like totally present, and so that's

1:29:59.840 --> 1:30:02.679
<v Speaker 2>the GFT where I'm always like being with non speakers,

1:30:02.720 --> 1:30:07.080
<v Speaker 2>aware that of my thoughts and just trying to have none.

1:30:07.280 --> 1:30:10.960
<v Speaker 1>That's beautiful, the beautiful way to beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful. Kay.

1:30:11.200 --> 1:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>It has been so fascinating talking to you. Honestly, I

1:30:14.920 --> 1:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>think the work that you're doing is so inspiring, and truly,

1:30:22.560 --> 1:30:24.439
<v Speaker 1>there's been very little that I think we've had to

1:30:24.439 --> 1:30:26.800
<v Speaker 1>be curious about for a long time when it comes

1:30:26.840 --> 1:30:29.760
<v Speaker 1>to this space, and I really feel like you've brought

1:30:29.760 --> 1:30:32.240
<v Speaker 1>something to the Ford that we can all be spiritually

1:30:32.240 --> 1:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>curious about. And the questions that you're asking is so

1:30:35.920 --> 1:30:38.000
<v Speaker 1>intriguing to me. Then, questions that I believe we all

1:30:38.000 --> 1:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>should be looking for the answers. I think for a

1:30:40.240 --> 1:30:42.519
<v Speaker 1>long time we've thought about physical questions like how do

1:30:42.560 --> 1:30:44.960
<v Speaker 1>we make the body stronger? And how do we sleep better?

1:30:45.000 --> 1:30:47.879
<v Speaker 1>And how do and those are really important questions. I

1:30:47.960 --> 1:30:49.880
<v Speaker 1>stand by that we do that a lot on this show.

1:30:49.960 --> 1:30:52.640
<v Speaker 1>But similarly, I think we're all asking questions of like

1:30:52.680 --> 1:30:54.360
<v Speaker 1>why do we exist? And why am I here? And

1:30:55.000 --> 1:30:57.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, do I really understand the abilities that I have?

1:30:57.680 --> 1:31:02.640
<v Speaker 1>And especially for those that have been seen as like

1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:05.920
<v Speaker 1>you said, that they're not in there to realize that

1:31:06.200 --> 1:31:08.519
<v Speaker 1>there is a purpose, there is a value, there is

1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>a gift. There is of course there is already but inherently,

1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:13.599
<v Speaker 1>but there's so much more that we don't know. And

1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:16.720
<v Speaker 1>so I'm so grateful for your time and energy, not

1:31:16.800 --> 1:31:18.559
<v Speaker 1>just today, but for the last three and a half

1:31:18.680 --> 1:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>years of you dedicated your life to this purpose and

1:31:21.400 --> 1:31:24.559
<v Speaker 1>for sharing it with me so openly and graciously with

1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:27.200
<v Speaker 1>me and my audience. And I'm sure everyone if they're

1:31:27.240 --> 1:31:29.439
<v Speaker 1>not already listening to the Telepathy tapes, which I'm sure

1:31:29.439 --> 1:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>they are, we'll go back and listen, or we'll listen

1:31:31.960 --> 1:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>for the first time and help pass it on. How

1:31:35.360 --> 1:31:38.520
<v Speaker 1>much can people support or connect if they want to

1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:41.240
<v Speaker 1>be a part of this work with you and encourage you,

1:31:41.360 --> 1:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>or even want to write to you. How can they

1:31:42.960 --> 1:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>get in touch or how can they follow along?

1:31:45.160 --> 1:31:47.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we are on all the social media

1:31:47.720 --> 1:31:50.360
<v Speaker 2>at the telep ofy tapes. I would encourage people, though,

1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:54.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean my biggest ask is please, like, just presume

1:31:54.760 --> 1:31:57.240
<v Speaker 2>competence if you see a nonspeaker, if you meet a

1:31:57.280 --> 1:31:59.360
<v Speaker 2>non speaker, if you work with non speakers, they are

1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:02.519
<v Speaker 2>in there, their human beings help them get on boards,

1:32:02.560 --> 1:32:04.559
<v Speaker 2>learn to spell, and if you are interested in getting

1:32:04.600 --> 1:32:07.320
<v Speaker 2>engaged with no speakers, you could become a spelling to

1:32:07.360 --> 1:32:11.719
<v Speaker 2>communicate partner by going to s to see or spelling

1:32:11.760 --> 1:32:14.880
<v Speaker 2>to communicate or spellers method like just go look into

1:32:14.880 --> 1:32:17.120
<v Speaker 2>this because we need more spellers. I mean, that's the

1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:19.800
<v Speaker 2>biggest ask. Is just that everyone starts assisting them and

1:32:19.840 --> 1:32:22.480
<v Speaker 2>meeting them and presuming competence.

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<v Speaker 3>That's everything to me.

1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:26.519
<v Speaker 1>I hope we can stay in tied so that I

1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>can ask you more questions here, updates, and continue this

1:32:30.200 --> 1:32:32.320
<v Speaker 1>conversation offline as well. I feel like there's so many

1:32:32.400 --> 1:32:36.759
<v Speaker 1>great spiritual conversations to be had and shared and I

1:32:36.520 --> 1:32:39.040
<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see where this works goes. So here

1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:42.000
<v Speaker 1>as a supporter and cheerleader and look forward to learning

1:32:42.040 --> 1:32:42.559
<v Speaker 1>lots more.

1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:44.160
<v Speaker 3>Thank you, thank you for having me on.

1:32:44.280 --> 1:32:46.479
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much. If this is the year that

1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:49.479
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more,

1:32:49.760 --> 1:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I need you to listen to this episode with Rick

1:32:52.040 --> 1:32:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Rubin on how to break into your most creative self,

1:32:55.800 --> 1:32:59.519
<v Speaker 1>how to use unconventional methods that lead to success, and

1:32:59.560 --> 1:33:03.040
<v Speaker 1>the seek to genuinely loving what you do. If you're

1:33:03.080 --> 1:33:06.320
<v Speaker 1>trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin's

1:33:06.400 --> 1:33:09.120
<v Speaker 1>episode is the one for you. Just because I like it,

1:33:09.160 --> 1:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't give it any value, like as an artist,

1:33:12.040 --> 1:33:14.599
<v Speaker 1>if you like it, that's all of the value. That's

1:33:14.640 --> 1:33:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the success comes when you say I like this enough

1:33:18.280 --> 1:33:19.439
<v Speaker 1>for other people to see it.