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Speaker 2: It was remarkable to be in that room and see

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Speaker 2: someone reading someone else's mind over and over and over again.

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Speaker 3: When you see it, you can't unsee it.

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Speaker 2: One of the best remote viewers was the Burbank Police Chief.

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Speaker 2: Cia was in his office and saw that he had

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Speaker 2: like marked on the map where submarines were.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's alarming. How did you listen to the telepathy tapes?

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Speaker 1: Non speaking children on the autism spectrum are able to

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Speaker 3: It is mind blowing. Have you heard the Telepathy Tapes?

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Speaker 3: I hope that you go listen to these tapes.

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Speaker 2: You want to watch a mind blowing documentary.

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Speaker 1: You need to see this. Hi is the host of

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Speaker 1: a new podcast series called The Telepathy Tapes.

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Speaker 3: Please welcome, Kai Dickens.

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Speaker 1: How would you describe or explain what telepathy actually means?

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Speaker 2: Telepathy historically is reading someone's mind. You know exactly what

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Speaker 2: they're thinking. That's what I thought this was at first.

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Speaker 2: Parents started saying right away, this isn't just your telepathy.

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Speaker 2: We think we might be sharing a consciousness or no

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Speaker 2: languages that they've never learned. Well, how is that possible?

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Speaker 2: Or tell the future and accurately predict something that's going

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Speaker 1: What have you found in your research looking at animal intelepathy?

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Speaker 2: That is a beautiful element to this. There are mental

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Speaker 1: As you can ask you about the connection between dreams

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to On Purpose, the place you've come to

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Speaker 1: become happier, healthier and more healed. Today's guest is someone

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Speaker 1: guest is none other than Kai Dickens, an award winning,

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Speaker 1: acclaimed filmmaker and podcast host known for diving into complex

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Speaker 1: social issues spark change. Kai is the host of The

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Speaker 1: Telepathy Tapes, which is a new podcast going absolutely viral.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know about it, I don't know where

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Speaker 1: you've been. Kai digs into the incredible abilities of non

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Speaker 1: speaking individuals with autism, uncovering mind blowing stories of telepathy

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Speaker 1: beyond different dimensions. The series invites viewers to challenge their

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Speaker 1: ways and rethink what communication really means and what the

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Speaker 1: human mind is truly capable of. Please welcome to On Purpose,

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Speaker 1: Kai Dickens. Kai. Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so nice to meet you. And I want

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Speaker 1: ask Kai before we get into it is who were

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Speaker 1: you before you dove into the Telepathy tapes, before you

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Speaker 2: I was a social justice filmmaker, so I was working

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Speaker 2: So as a documentary filmmaker, what often happens is before

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Speaker 2: Because I was trying to figure out where are my friends?

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Speaker 1: Had you always felt that way about all your projects

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Speaker 2: And this was one of those. There was two my life,

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Speaker 1: To describe for someone who doesn't know anything about this,

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Speaker 1: how would you describe or explain what telepathy actually means?

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Speaker 2: At the tippy top right now, we've consciousness, and no

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Speaker 2: one knows where it comes from and why it's there.

438
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Speaker 2: And what I think the theory that many people before

439
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: me have put forth and then I believe it. So

440
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,720
Speaker 2: I put this forth in the selepty tapes, is that

441
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,640
Speaker 2: consciousness isn't at the top of the pyramid of our world.

442
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 3: It's at the bottom. It's fundamental. It comes first.

443
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 2: I mean everything in this office was a thought first,

444
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 2: none of it was real, and then the thought came after.

445
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 2: And so if you think about it that way, and

446
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 2: that consciousness is fundamental, then telepathy, siabilities, precognition, mediumship, all

447
00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,520
Speaker 2: these things that seem like woo a little wooby wooby

448
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 2: all makes sense because our truest truth is non physical.

449
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,719
Speaker 1: How do you define consciousness in that context?

450
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 2: It is the foundation. Consciousness came first and the whole

451
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 2: physical world came after. It's not that the physical world

452
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: came first and consciousness came after. And if we just

453
00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:01,600
Speaker 2: invert the try trying gole, keep everything else the same

454
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 2: in the materialist world, just put the consciousness from the

455
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: top to the bottom, then we can explain all of this.

456
00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 2: And if anyone was out out there is like I

457
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: want to look into this more, you could look into

458
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 2: remote viewing.

459
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 3: That's one of the most easy to.

460
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: Validate sihabilities, which is being able to see something at

461
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 2: a location where you're not and the CIA use that

462
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:23,680
Speaker 2: for years.

463
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,360
Speaker 3: We know that that's been de classified.

464
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Speaker 1: You know, what do you mean, tell me a bit

465
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Speaker 1: more about it.

466
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm this is one of the books I read

467
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 2: and like trying to understand all of this is there's

468
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 2: a great book by an author named Annie Jacobson. It's

469
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Speaker 2: called Phenomena, and what it was about was the declassified

470
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 2: papers from the CIA about their projects Grill Flame and

471
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 2: Project Stargate programs, which was really active in the seventies

472
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 2: and into the eighties where they were using remote viewing

473
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 2: and because the Russians were and what that was is

474
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: they found that some people were extremely good at if

475
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Speaker 2: you could give them a line of longitude and a

476
00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 2: line of latitude, they could sit at the Stanford Research

477
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: into Suit, California and tell you draw a picture of

478
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:07,479
Speaker 2: what was there? No way, Yeah, And it's fascinating. And

479
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: so they did a bunch of research around this and

480
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: how this is possible, and they would put some of

481
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 2: the best remote viewers under the ocean in a submarine

482
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,359
Speaker 2: to be like, okay, well we know waves can't penetrate

483
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 2: that deep of water, Like, so what is this skill,

484
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 2: Like is it still possible underwater because telephone signals aren't right,

485
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: cell phone signals aren't like most signals can't go through water.

486
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: And these remote viewers were significantly accurate, like statistically so

487
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: that they could still.

488
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: Find targets when underwater.

489
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Speaker 2: And there's been so much released on that program. Yeah,

490
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Speaker 2: and I think one of the best remote viewers was

491
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Speaker 2: I believe a Burbank police chief and someone Fbioca was

492
00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 2: in his office and saw that he had like marked

493
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Speaker 2: on the map where submarines were. Well, that's alarming. How

494
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: does this guy know where the submarines were? And he

495
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 2: was like I could just see him. And he became

496
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 2: one of the best like remote viewer in the program.

497
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 2: And they did some of these quote unquote telepity tests,

498
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: tapes of these telepathy tests with another man named Uri Geller.

499
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 2: They would have him draw what was in a closed

500
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: box and he was pretty accurate. And so if people

501
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: want to read that book, like that's a great gateway

502
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 2: into this that shows something is happening, something is real.

503
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: And this program went on for a long time and

504
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 2: they say it's expired.

505
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Speaker 3: I think it's probably.

506
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 2: Still going on in the United States government, but that

507
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 2: was remote viewing and using psychic abilities.

508
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Speaker 1: Are there any other programs or things you've come across

509
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: like that that are used in the modern world in

510
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: a less spiritual space.

511
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: For sure, Russia, China, the United States have been looking

512
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 2: into these siabilities as very real elements, and of course

513
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 2: they're trying to use it for warfare and spying.

514
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Speaker 3: I know that there's a lot of people who will

515
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 3: teach revote.

516
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 2: Viewing and map dousing, where you try to go figure

517
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: out where something might be located on a map, and

518
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 2: some people are really good at that. It could be

519
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 2: like the ancient whatever aqueduct is here and they can

520
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: help you find it, and like, these are things that

521
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 2: have map dowsing has gone on for thousands of years

522
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: where people will know what's underground.

523
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Speaker 3: How. I don't understand how, but it's a real thing.

524
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: I did not understand how remote viewing could work, and

525
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: so I went to a workshop one day because I thought,

526
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 2: I wonder if I could learn this. And this was

527
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: kind of like right in the heart of like me

528
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: trying to understand everything, and I was just immersing into

529
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: anything I could, And so I went to like a

530
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 2: workshop where they.

531
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Speaker 3: Try to teach you how to do this.

532
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: And I was with one of my close friends and

533
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 2: they said, Okay, we're going to do a remote viewing experiment.

534
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 2: We're about to pull a slide up and you all

535
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 2: have to draw what's on the slide. And I was

536
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: like a slide, Like, that's not even like in the

537
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: physical world that we can like maybe see how's.

538
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 3: That going to work?

539
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: And so all these everyone's close, you know, trying to

540
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: clear the mind, and people. After ten minutes or whatever,

541
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Speaker 2: I look at some of the drawings. It looks like

542
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,719
Speaker 2: people were drawing like these big circles and stuff. And

543
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: what I was getting in my head was like draw

544
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Speaker 2: a tree and like a little bit of water and

545
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: the word green and a bird and a son. And

546
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 2: my drawing looks so rudimentary, like something a four year

547
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 2: old wuld draw. And then all of a sudden they

548
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 2: show what it was and it was a peacock. And

549
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so I had bird and green, but

550
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 2: I don't think that counts. And then my friend turns

551
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: over her paper and on her paper was a tree

552
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: and a son.

553
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 3: She wrote the word green. She had water.

554
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: We had the same picture I have a picture on

555
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,920
Speaker 2: my phone and that's when I'm like, Okay, I don't

556
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: know what's going on here. For we're remore viewing of

557
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: her and I just crossed paths and there was like

558
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 2: real telepathy, like we sunk up whatever signal it was.

559
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: Her and I had the same drawing. And that's when

560
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: I was like, this whole thing is really mysterious. And

561
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 2: I finally understood what the parents were talking about, because

562
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 2: I was like, did we both tune into the same

563
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 2: signal or were we sharing and influencing each other?

564
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 3: What was that?

565
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 2: But that was an astounding moment for me that made

566
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 2: me believe in things like remote viewing.

567
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: Have you and your friend ever tried doing that again?

568
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 3: No, I should ask her.

569
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be really fascinating to sit down again.

570
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would really be awesome to try that again.

571
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 2: And for me, the biggest shock was again I thought, okay,

572
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: we're setting telepathy. We can do these selepathy tests. We

573
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: can prove it or you know, validate it. I guess

574
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: there's no proof in science, but validate it. And that's

575
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: what I thought was But then when I was immersed

576
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: with so many these wonderful human beings and families. The

577
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: thing that I started seeing and that they start talking

578
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 2: about quite quickly, especially the non speakers, is no, this

579
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: is bigger than selepathy. So many individuals can also no

580
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: languages that they've never learned, Well, how is that possible?

581
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: Or tell the future and can accurately predict something that's

582
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 2: going to happen and sure that could be coincidental or

583
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 2: maybe it's not. Or had information about something they'd never learned,

584
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: be it math or science or even spiritual information. And

585
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: so many others were talking about seeing beyond the grave,

586
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: like knowing people and bringing messages through, and that was

587
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 2: totally disorienting for me because that was all new. I

588
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 2: didn't think any of that stuff was possible. Individuals talking

589
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: about rocks that had powers. I mean I came into

590
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 2: that being like.

591
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: Wait what, Yeah, it's one of those things, isn't it.

592
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: Where it's it's so hard in our material world to

593
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 1: give space for invisible thinking. Yeah, because like you said,

594
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: everything that we look at is so visibly measured, visibly real.

595
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 1: That's how we function as a society. Then almost when

596
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: these ideas start to seep in, it starts to become

597
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,479
Speaker 1: very challenging. And certain ideas have found their place in

598
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 1: the Western world. When you look at things like astrology

599
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: and so coming from an Eastern background, astrologers who have

600
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: incredible abilities rarely exist anymore, but those that in India

601
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: had these abilities. Like you've seen the Western version of

602
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: astrology evolve, and it exists in some capacity in our world,

603
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: but you find most of these ideas kind of fall

604
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: by the wayside and don't really have a version, or

605
00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: like a lot of astrology can be and is labeled

606
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: as woo woo or just you know, made up or

607
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: meant to make people feel safe. What was it that

608
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: gave you so much trust when you were doing these

609
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: tests yourself, that gave you a sense of confidence from

610
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: being someone who, in your own words, you felt, well,

611
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: it's not that you came from a spiritual background or

612
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,639
Speaker 1: this what you're open to. And all of a sudden

613
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: you're like, no, I believe this. What did you see?

614
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: What did you experience that you were like, no, no,

615
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 1: this this is legitimate.

616
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 2: And I think the most important thing for anyone walking

617
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: into this world is forget about the telepathy, forget about

618
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 2: all that stuff like meet the people and when you're

619
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,920
Speaker 2: talking to parents, in particular, who are stretched thin. They

620
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 2: have so many just daily challenges with working, you know,

621
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: just helping their children, but actually battling for their children

622
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: every day to get the education they need, the supports

623
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: they need, the care they need. And for these parents

624
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: who have so much love and so much sacrifice, and

625
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: yet there's this other dimension of what the heck is

626
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 2: going on and their sincerity of just like, we know

627
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: this is happening, can you just help us? Unders and

628
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: why when you start hearing that from parent after parent

629
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: after parent who don't know each other, it's pretty clear

630
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: there's not a mass conspiracy going on. And so meeting

631
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 2: the parents, loving the parents, I mean, they truly are

632
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: the biggest almost they're the love warriors on this earth

633
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: right now. And then meeting the non speakers with just

634
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: such honesty around what's going on, there's no it's not

635
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: for them. This is just life here. I'm going to

636
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: talk about this, I'm gonna share this, I'm going to

637
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: talk about this. And that became convincing and then and

638
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: then so I think I walked in trusting the parents,

639
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: trusting them on speakers, believing that they were telling the truth.

640
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: And then I think when you are coming from it,

641
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: from a place of belief and trust, it's so much

642
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: more likely for these things to unfold. You know, a

643
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: lot of I think, not just me, but scientists would

644
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: say like love is the basis of a lot of

645
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: these sigh abilities. If anyone ever has had this moment

646
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: where something went wrong, it's because you love that person,

647
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: you felt deeply something happened to that person.

648
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: We have accounts of that from all over the world

649
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: in history.

650
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 2: Or you're thinking about someone you care deeply about in

651
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: the second that the phone rings and it's them. I mean,

652
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: these links are I think based in love, and they're

653
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 2: not that rare. We've all had that phone telepathy. And

654
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: I just want to say this really quick too, because

655
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Speaker 1: did she see from a scientific point of view that

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Speaker 1: convinced her that this was real? What research had she

693
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Speaker 1: found that made it feel so legitimate to her as well?

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Speaker 2: You know, I was so impressed with doctor Powell. I mean,

695
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: she's a real thoughtful scientist in this regard, And she

696
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 2: was studying savant syndrome at first, and savan sympdrome is

697
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: really interesting, and I mean her big thesis is esp

698
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 2: should be considered a savans skill because science as a

699
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 2: whole legitimately is the savants that you might know a

700
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: language or music or math without being taught or exposed

701
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Speaker 2: to it. And that's pretty wild. How does that happen

702
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: if you haven't taught it? And so you speaks in

703
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: the same realm, right, like you know something you shouldn't know,

704
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: because how how could you know the future?

705
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: How can you someone's thoughts?

706
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Speaker 1: So could you tell us what esp oh?

707
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 3: ESP is an.

708
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: Extra sensory perception, so a sense of knowing something without

709
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Speaker 2: your five senses.

710
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: So she was studying savant skills, and what was.

711
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Speaker 2: Fascinating is some of the parents who had a quote

712
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: unquote savant, which is a troubling moorden of itself for

713
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 2: a few reasons we can talk about later. But like

714
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Speaker 2: we're saying, actually, I don't know if their savant. I

715
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: thought they were because I thought they had every book

716
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Speaker 2: on my bookshelf memorized. But then I'm learning no, I

717
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Speaker 2: think they can see through my eyes or I think

718
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Speaker 2: they're reading my mind. And she heard that enough times

719
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Speaker 2: that she started studying that and lo and behold in

720
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Speaker 2: the studies she did. She was seeing what I saw,

721
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: which was the spars out. Unfortunately, because so many of

722
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: our scientific institutions are rooted materialism and the journals and such,

723
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 2: it's really hard to publish papers on this to get

724
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Speaker 2: grants to do the research around it, to publish a

725
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 2: book on it. And when she published a book and

726
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: was on her book tour, suddenly the board said we're

727
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Speaker 2: taking your license away because we think you must there

728
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Speaker 2: must be something wrong with you.

729
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Speaker 3: And she had a petition.

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Speaker 2: She had to go through psychological testing to prove that

731
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Speaker 2: she was of sound mind, and then she begged them

732
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Speaker 2: to look at the book and they realized, oh, this

733
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: is sound science and she's sound. Okay, you can have

734
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: your license back and you can do this, but the

735
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 2: trauma is done because you've had to pay a lot

736
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Speaker 2: of fees. It hurts your reputation. It comes up on Google.

737
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Speaker 2: And so I think for a lot of the scientists

738
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Speaker 2: who are on the cutting edge of this too, they've

739
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: been harm because for me, I believe that at the

740
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Speaker 2: baseline for science, you should have a freedom of inquiry.

741
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 3: You should be able to ask a question and see

742
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Speaker 3: where it leads.

743
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: And as a society we need to ask ourselfs, well,

744
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: what is going on if you can't ask a question

745
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: because people are afraid of the answer. I mean, that's

746
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: troubling and us also limiting because as humans, this is

747
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: really exciting that there is a very real, non physical world,

748
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: and I think that's what everyone actually cares about at

749
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 2: the end of the day, Like don't we care if

750
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Speaker 2: that has implications for where we're going and why we're here. Yeah,

751
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: so doctor Powell, she saw the truth of it, but

752
00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: she also ran hard into the deeply skeptical materialist society

753
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: and science world.

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Speaker 1: Well kept her going, I mean.

755
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: I think the same thing.

756
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: I mean, she laid low for a while after that,

757
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 2: you know, and then she actually retired when right before

758
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: the telept the tapes came out. She's like, I don't

759
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Speaker 2: want to be fined again. I don't want to deal

760
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: with all this, and she was ready, but she was like,

761
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 2: this is not worth it. So I think what kept

762
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: her going is kind of the same thing that you know,

763
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Speaker 2: when I hit upload on that first episode, I was like,

764
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Speaker 2: I might destroy my entire reputation as a documentarian, as

765
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Speaker 2: a human being. I don't know what people are going

766
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 2: to think, but like this is true, and it's this

767
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: truth is worth it. And I think doctor Powell underwent

768
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Speaker 2: that when you see it, you can't see it. When

769
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Speaker 2: you're in the room and you experience it, you can't

770
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Speaker 2: unexperience it. And when you meet these families so full

771
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Speaker 2: of love and truth and earnestness that are just like

772
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Speaker 2: someone tell us why no one is listening? You kind

773
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: of want to carry the burden for them. You shouldered

774
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Speaker 2: for them, because you're like, you aren't crazy, You're telling

775
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: the truth, like someone does need to listen. And I

776
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 2: think doctor Powell felt that urgency of like, I will

777
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Speaker 2: carry your torch. And then I met all of them

778
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: and I was like, I will also carry your torch.

779
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 2: And now I think there's a lot of listeners carrying

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Speaker 2: the torch, which is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. There are so many people that I've been

782
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Speaker 1: speaking to about it with since I've been listening, and

783
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Speaker 1: the conversations that it's starting are actually the most exciting

784
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Speaker 1: part for me. I think the curiosity that it's sparking

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Speaker 1: in people. I was trying to think about, actually, when

786
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Speaker 1: else in society, when have we had that kind of

787
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Speaker 1: resistance to something like I don't know if you've looked back,

788
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure with your research mind, like, have you

789
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Speaker 1: looked back at times in society where we would have

790
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Speaker 1: been like, no, going to the moon is ridiculous, it's

791
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Speaker 1: never going to happen. And then we do it right,

792
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Speaker 1: because that in one sense is outside of our visible

793
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Speaker 1: world to some degree in terms of before you could

794
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Speaker 1: see it or now when we talk about, you know,

795
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: building life on another planet. It's become normalized because Elon

796
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: Musk or whoever will talk about these things publicly. So

797
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: often have you looked at any other times with things?

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure? You know?

799
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Speaker 2: And there's that quote, all truth goes through three stages.

800
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Speaker 2: First it's ridiculed, that it's violently opposed, and then it's

801
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Speaker 2: accepted a self evident And I feel like that's one

802
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: of these moments. And you know, there's when Mendel first

803
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 2: said that jeans cause disease. I mean that was like

804
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 2: a big moment where people were laughing at that. That

805
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: seems silly, like little things would go into and make

806
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: you sick. Now it's self evident, you know. It's the

807
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 2: flat earth, Like people believe the Earth was flat for

808
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 2: a really long time and then it wasn't, but people

809
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: like clung to that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's still few.

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Speaker 2: But I think about the materialist science of now and

812
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wonder if in a hundred years they're

813
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 2: going to clinging to the materialism.

814
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 3: It's they're going to look like the flat earthers. You know.

815
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: But even when the Wright brothers first launched their plane,

816
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 2: people didn't believe it.

817
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 3: They didn't believe it unless they saw it.

818
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: They had to go on a tour and fly their

819
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: little plane all over for people to believe it.

820
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Speaker 3: So it's not this.

821
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Speaker 2: I think this happens with any big leap, whether it's

822
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: in science and spirituality or whatever it is. And and

823
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: this is just this is the blowback, the anger, the confusion,

824
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: the trying to find like you know, the character assassination

825
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: is going to come from anyone caring that that's happened

826
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,279
Speaker 2: throughout history. That it's just part and percel when you

827
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: bring in big news.

828
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: I thing, yeah, for sure, for sure. And I'd almost

829
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: think that it's at like a perfect synchronicity with all

830
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Speaker 1: of our developments in AI. Like you know, we're at

831
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: this precipice where it's like AI is the new frontier

832
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: at a very basic level. Everyone's now using chat, GPT,

833
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: and then we're looking at what singularity could look like,

834
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: and we're looking at the tech horizon of all of

835
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Speaker 1: this advancement. And it only makes sense to me that

836
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Speaker 1: at the same time we need this other side that

837
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: we're also seeing these advancements in our spiritual understanding and

838
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Speaker 1: our spiritual exploration. And I wanted to ask you, like,

839
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Speaker 1: so far with doctor Powell's work and what you've seen,

840
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: what has been conclusively defined or when people asking the

841
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 1: question why is this happening, what do we know, if

842
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: anything right now of why it's happening.

843
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: I don't think we know yet right And I think

844
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Speaker 2: it's because there's been such a lack of funding. I mean,

845
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Speaker 2: that was one of the hopes with slaptly tapes is

846
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 2: to get doctor Powell some funding, and she's gotten funding now,

847
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: which is great, and you know, I know she wants

848
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: to look at some MRI scans and some QEG scans

849
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:09,720
Speaker 2: and that's important because she's looking at from the brain stuff,

850
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 2: which is what a neuroscientist should be doing. And I'm

851
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: interested in doing like really good telepathy tests that are

852
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: visual for film. And so many scientists have been reaching out,

853
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: which has been beautiful since this has come forward, being

854
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: like I want to work out a experiment or research

855
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: and so I'm trying to get on board with our

856
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 2: team non speaking science advisor to kind of help and

857
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Speaker 2: then do a roundtable with a bunch of the scientists

858
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Speaker 2: who all have big ideas, bring some of the non

859
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Speaker 2: speakers in and have a conversation about like what can

860
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Speaker 2: we test, what should we test, what would be helpful,

861
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Speaker 2: what are the limitations, and kind of go from there.

862
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Speaker 1: Why do you think it's so important? What do you think?

863
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Speaker 1: I'm intrigued to know what you think it would unlock

864
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Speaker 1: for us by discovering the answer behind this? What do

865
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Speaker 1: you see?

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Speaker 3: Well, again, I think it's more than just telepathy.

867
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Speaker 1: Yes, agreed. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And there's a teacher who has been at this longer

869
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Speaker 2: than doctor Powell or me I'm in Wisconsin who will

870
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Speaker 2: constantly say I think there's a sharing of consciousness.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a linking.

872
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: And that's a curious question because if that's the case,

873
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: that means that consciousness is coming from somewhere else and

874
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: that we like can beam into it.

875
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, Like if you think of.

876
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 2: Our body as a television set, right that will animate

877
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, but that's it's like we don't

878
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: carry the signal. The signal is coming from somewhere else.

879
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: That's one view of consciousness, Like that is one possibility

880
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: and I think the non speaking telepathy pairing that happens

881
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: with a teacher or a parent. If we could test

882
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: through a QEG and figure out is the message coming in,

883
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 2: Like this is a brain lighting up at the same

884
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 2: time in the same place, we might be able to

885
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: learn something.

886
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm not a scientist, so I want.

887
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: Other people to carry the torch and figure out the experiments,

888
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 2: and I hope to create for the film, like we're

889
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: going to make some spaces where non speakers and researchers

890
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 2: and scientists can talk about it, and then I hope

891
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: the science just goes forth in a comfortable way for everyone.

892
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 2: My biggest concern, of course, is exploit of not speaking

893
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: individuals in their families, Like it has to be in

894
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: a way that feels really safe and good for them,

895
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: and some families want answers. Some are just like, we

896
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: know this is happening, This is great, this has changed

897
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,280
Speaker 2: our lives. Everyone has to volunteer and do what's comfortable

898
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: for them.

899
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 3: But I just my goal goal.

900
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: Was to get this out there and so that people

901
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: would listen to the parents and hopefully believe them.

902
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you start doing the tests, I remember you

903
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: saying that you were seeing like a ninety five percent

904
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: success rate, which is extremely high. What were you seeing

905
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: in the five percent that was inaccurate or incomplete?

906
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm smiling when you said that because, like

907
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: I said ninety five percent, because it just felt like

908
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 2: the more sciencey thing to say, like it.

909
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: Was actually pretty much like one hundred.

910
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: But like when I talk about the five percent, it's

911
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: because they're spelling to communicate. So sometimes if like they

912
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: were if Pony was the thing that was on the

913
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 2: flash card, maybe they spelled like pp it hit twice,

914
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 2: oh and y or something like that, where it's like

915
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: can we count it? We won't count it because there

916
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 2: was a p hit twice, so we would discount it. Again,

917
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 2: I'm not scientists, but in like my human mind, I

918
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: was like.

919
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: That counted, you know.

920
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: So there is that element where it's like they wrote

921
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 2: the thing it would be it would be a tactical

922
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 2: air like that.

923
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah right, oh wow, So it was it was literally

924
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: things like spelling.

925
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 2: Basically it was like yeah, or a double tap a

926
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: double tap? Yeah, well yeah, it'd be a double tap.

927
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 2: I remember when we were doing one clep at the experiment,

928
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: there was a production assistant that was like walking around

929
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: with Dorito's and then every time they entered room at

930
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 2: the room with the Dorito's, it's like the test would

931
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 2: get disrupted, like most of the word would be spelled

932
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: like bicycle, and then you would be left off because

933
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: it'd be like Dorito's are here, you know, and so

934
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: stuff like that. We didn't count it because all bicycle didn't.

935
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: But again, like the science they part was like, Okay,

936
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: we can't count a bicycle because the whole world wasn't spelled.

937
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 3: But like the human being in me.

938
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: Was like she just wrote bicycle and then Dorito's game

939
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: in the room.

940
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: And what about some of them that could see colors

941
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 1: and letters around numbers? Where was that coming from?

942
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so there's something called synesthesia, yes, and

943
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: that is synesthesia, right, you see colors, different senses get

944
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: tied to different things with non speaking individuals, it's really

945
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: beautiful and interesting and again like broadbrush here. So but

946
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: some of the people I was talking with, like one

947
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 2: girl says that she sees the colors around each letter,

948
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 2: so she doesn't have to see the letter board because

949
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 2: she's pointing to a color.

950
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:15,879
Speaker 3: So that's pretty cool.

951
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: A lot of non speaking individuals say they see auras

952
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: not just around people, but around plants and cut flowers,

953
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: and they'll see that the aura drifting off as the

954
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: cut floor of flowers dying around rocks. And again it

955
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: wouldn't be just one individual, it'll be many saying these things.

956
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 2: So at a certain point you're like, Okay, things have

957
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: auras and there's colors, and it tells you how if

958
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 2: someone's good or bad or angry or whatever.

959
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: You know.

960
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just beautiful the amount of information

961
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: that was so articulate and so profound that was being

962
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: shared across the board.

963
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: You've dedicated three and a half years to this now, right,

964
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: do you feel like it feels like your purpose? It's

965
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 1: become something? That's so I mean, to dedicate three and

966
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: a half years is a long, long, long, long time.

967
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:02,919
Speaker 1: And the celebrity types and fairly recently like just around

968
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: the holidays or whatever, and to see the incredible success

969
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: they've had, but it's been so much study and time.

970
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: What I want to know your emotions and feelings throughout

971
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: this three and a half years, and then whether it

972
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: feels like your purpose now?

973
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean no, I think everything my life has

974
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: led to this. I think everything has and it is

975
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: fully my purpose for being here. And I'm so humbled, like,

976
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 2: what a wonderful, wonderful purpose. And I don't know if

977
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: purpose is given to us from somewhere else or if

978
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: it creates your purpose, but like my favorite book is

979
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: Victor Frankol's Answers for Meaning, and I love that. One

980
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: of the beautiful takeaways in that book, right is like

981
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: the meaning of life is whatever gives your life meaning,

982
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: and nothing ever to come across my path outside of

983
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,919
Speaker 2: the people I love, like my you know, spouse and kids,

984
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: but beyond that, like nothing has given my more meeting business.

985
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: It's it's to me.

986
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 2: It's answering and picking through the most complex important questions.

987
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 2: So like, what a humbling, beautiful gift to just have

988
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: fallen into this beautiful.

989
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: What meaning has it spoken to you for you? So?

990
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: What questions has it answered for you? Or what questions

991
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: has it made you ask? That you find it so

992
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: meaningful for us to know?

993
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 2: You know, for me, it was really appealing of the onion.

994
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 2: And first it was seeing the telepathy over and over

995
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: and over again and being like, Okay, I don't need

996
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 2: to ask that question, that's fully happening. And then I

997
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: almost feel like the parents would let me in on

998
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 2: things as they thought I was ready.

999
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1000
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: So even hearing and understand that Houston, one of the

1001
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 2: individuals and to the telepathy tapes, understands that feels rocks

1002
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: so deeply, and that was something that I always just

1003
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: shrugged off. Okay, So if telepathy is real and Rocks

1004
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: truly give off you know, energy and frequency, what else

1005
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 2: have I dismissed?

1006
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 3: That's real?

1007
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: So I started finding that things that I just shoved

1008
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: away as like that's impossible, this is fake, or these

1009
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: are Charlton's or frauds.

1010
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: You know.

1011
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: I started coming to terms with everything I'd ever just

1012
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 2: ignored or dismissed in life and reevaluating it.

1013
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 3: So telepathy like yes, okay, rock.

1014
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: Crystals Now I'm like, okay, I have crystal things on

1015
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: my wrist, Like it's like, yes, those have a powerful thing.

1016
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: And then non speakers talking about the other side. I mean,

1017
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: that was something that came up a lot. In fact,

1018
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 2: that often is the first thing before telepathy is this

1019
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:18,399
Speaker 2: person's here, Auntie has this message for you. You know,

1020
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: this person is telling me not that you tell whoever

1021
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 2: in India not to buy this land. Because that land

1022
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: has a bad well on it. And I mean just

1023
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 2: the amount of messages parents were telling me that they

1024
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: were receiving from the other side through their child was wild.

1025
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: That was relevant to the parent's life, that.

1026
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 2: Was so relevant, that would bear out that there's no

1027
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: way their child would know. So then it started making

1028
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: me think, Okay, we don't go away like there were

1029
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 2: here something like it's consciousness survives. I think all of

1030
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: it was a cognitive dissonance of now. I fully believe

1031
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: that SIA abilities are real, that consciousness survives death, that

1032
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 2: we are all intimately connected, that love is the baseline

1033
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 2: for everything. And I think I see and on speakers

1034
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: as my teacher, not the other way around. I mean,

1035
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: there are all of our teachers. If people just take

1036
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: the time to listen and meet them where they're at,

1037
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: and I think what they would say is love is

1038
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: the most important thing.

1039
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: We have it all wrong.

1040
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: We're all connected, it is bigger than any of us,

1041
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: and that these spiritual gifts are in us all.

1042
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, the Eastern traditions describe consciousness to have

1043
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: three qualities, such chain ananda, which mean full of knowledge,

1044
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: which makes sense to what you're saying. Now eternal, endless,

1045
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: and full of bliss love. And so when you're saying

1046
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: that even through your discovery that potentially consciousness, the idea

1047
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: that there's greater consciousness where there's knowledge, your message is

1048
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 1: being inferred that comes from that full of knowledge. The

1049
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: idea that you're saying consciousness doesn't die. Use the word there,

1050
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 1: I've forgot it. But this idea that it's continuous and

1051
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: that continues to exist is the eternal part. And then

1052
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: like you said, it's founded on love, is the full

1053
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 1: of bliss. So those qualities actually seem to match very

1054
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: coherently with the Eastern spiritual traditions of understanding what consciousness

1055
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: actually is. I've always been excited about science catching up

1056
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,400
Speaker 1: with spirituality, and so I love when science can prove

1057
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: the value in spirituality and beliefs or practices that have

1058
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: happened for hundreds or thousands of years. And I've seen

1059
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: it happen with mindfulness and meditation, where you know, these

1060
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: practices have been around for thousands of years. In today,

1061
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: mindfulness and meditation are no longer woo woo and made up.

1062
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 2: When meditation was first being studied, it was kind of

1063
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: ridiculed as being.

1064
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Woo woo, even when I first started practicing it, Like

1065
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: I first started practicing meditation around two thousand and seven,

1066
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 1: and if you talked about meditation to someone in two

1067
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, they didn't really think it was that valuable,

1068
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: or they thought it was just made up. Or if

1069
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: you told someone that breath work was a way of

1070
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: calming yourself down or you know, reduce negative thoughts or anxiety,

1071
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: people would have laughed at you. And so I've seen

1072
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,759
Speaker 1: it happen with a few things, and I've always been

1073
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: excited by when science has been able to have the language,

1074
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: the tools, the vocabulary to talk about these ideas. I

1075
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: was just back at the monastery that I used to

1076
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: live out in India this January, and I had some of

1077
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: my most powerful meditation experiences nearly twenty years after I

1078
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: first started meditating. And it's hard to explain, like it's

1079
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: hard to put into words, and you know, you can

1080
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: often feel and I'm sure you know the nonverbal children

1081
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: they probably feel as well, like how little they can,

1082
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: even you know, through the written word, actually explain what

1083
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: they're experiencing or what they're going through. And we can

1084
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: all identify with emotions and feelings like that, even if

1085
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: we don't believe, no trust what's going on. I think

1086
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: we've all had experiences we're like, I have no idea

1087
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: how to explain this, or I have no idea how

1088
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: to put this into words. I've always wanted that marriage

1089
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: between science and spirituality, where science will actually look to

1090
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: spirituality for what to look into. Me and Andrew Huberman,

1091
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: who's been on the show a few times, we'll always

1092
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: talk about a lot of the practices he suggests and recommends,

1093
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: like starting off your day looking at sunlight, which kicks

1094
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 1: off our circadian rhythm and keeps everything in harmony and balance.

1095
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Suria Numashkara, which translated his sun salutations, is an ancient

1096
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: practice of looking at the sun when you wake up

1097
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, and how that was the

1098
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: way to get your body invigorated. And so you see

1099
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: these similarities in these ancient practices that people have done

1100
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: for thousands of years. They may not have said, oh,

1101
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 1: it's about the circadian rhythm, and you know, they didn't

1102
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: talk about it like that, but they were these beautiful

1103
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: practices in every tradition that existed because of their value

1104
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: to the human body, the human mind, and the human spirit.

1105
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: It's beautiful and it's all correct. I think you're right,

1106
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 2: and I think science is catching up to some of

1107
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,400
Speaker 2: the stuff because when you look back and things like telepathy,

1108
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: if you go to most native you know, groups of

1109
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 2: people are still around and thriving. I think they would say, yeah, duh, yeah,

1110
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: you know, the sense of being stared at is real,

1111
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 2: like often like remote Viewington, where the hunt is is real.

1112
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: These are things that were part and parcel of survival

1113
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 2: for individuals, and we feel removed from it. But it

1114
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that it's hasn't always been there.

1115
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And while there are naturally as always people

1116
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: who've exploited or lied or pretended or Charlotte whatever in

1117
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: these traditions, naturally as there are in everywhere science included

1118
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: and everywhere else, it's almost like those people exist because

1119
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: the real thing exists because there's someone who can do

1120
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: it for real, and then someone's trying to, you know,

1121
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: do something with it. Exactly, But that's usually how it works.

1122
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: You only get this a terrible example, but that's when

1123
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: my mind's going, You only get fake Gucci handbags because

1124
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: there's real ones, right, And that's the idea with research. Right,

1125
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: you only get fake something when the real thing has

1126
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 1: been existed or experienced, and you make the fake version

1127
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 1: because you don't know how the real one exists.

1128
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, And I think you take something that probably

1129
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 2: has the most amount of quote unquote Charlatans and the

1130
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 2: most amount of skepticism, like mediums.

1131
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: Right.

1132
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: However, like the Windbridge Institute, Forever Family Foundation, there are

1133
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: groups out there that will like double triple blind test

1134
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: individuals to be like, these are the people we've tested,

1135
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,360
Speaker 2: we've tested, we've tested, we've they don't even know who's

1136
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: the sitter versus blank blink, and they've come up with

1137
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 2: a list, you know, like fifteen percent of the people

1138
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,760
Speaker 2: they tested were the real deal according to these tests.

1139
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: So I think that's what's a good reminder for people too,

1140
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 2: is if you look into a lot of this stuff,

1141
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: some of the people there are organizations and institutions out

1142
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 2: there looking at the science trying to vet the best

1143
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 2: from the best, and you can do it, Like, if

1144
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 2: you spend the time to do the research, you can

1145
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 2: figure out if it's real and who's the real deal.

1146
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: Why is all resistance so deep? Like why are we

1147
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: so stuck in our ways? When it comes to these ideas,

1148
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: and the same is probably truecientific and technological advancement too.

1149
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I recently spoke to Bill Gates

1150
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: and he was talking about the idea that computers would

1151
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: exist in every home. Was just bizarre, like people people

1152
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: are like, that's ridiculous, Like, no one's going to have

1153
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: a personal computer in their home? What's the need? Right?

1154
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: Was that was the opinion that people had, So I

1155
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: don't think it's I actually don't think it's just spiritually,

1156
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: I think innovation, any form of innovation, yes, meets that

1157
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: kind of resistance. Where where does that come from? Why

1158
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,359
Speaker 1: is it that we're so resistant? What have you seen

1159
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 1: from human behavior and people you've come across?

1160
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 3: For sure? People resistant to change?

1161
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 2: Right.

1162
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 3: We like our status quo. It feels safe. We like

1163
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 3: feeling safe.

1164
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: But I think when it comes to siabilities, usually it's

1165
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 2: so vulnerable. Right to think that someone could know your mind,

1166
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: or connect with the other side, or tell your future,

1167
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: I mean to be had. When it comes to something

1168
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 2: so personal, so vulnerable, it's like the worst thing ever.

1169
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: It's like telling a secret and have someone stabbing you

1170
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: in the back. It's just to lay bare your soul,

1171
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,439
Speaker 2: that someone's actually being a good steward of like your

1172
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: deepest secrets or connections and lying about and profiting off it.

1173
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 2: I mean, there's like nothing grosser. Profiting off of vulnerability

1174
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,280
Speaker 2: and trust is just the worst. And so I think

1175
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 2: that's why people are really skeptical. They want to make

1176
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: sure that this stuff, which is good, like we people,

1177
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: shouldn't be profiting off of people's vulnerability. But I think

1178
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 2: these skills are real, and I think most of them

1179
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: probably can do it.

1180
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: Have you felt that spending more time with the children,

1181
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: the families and everything. Are these abilities that those of

1182
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 1: us that mere mortals and normal can develop and build

1183
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: and grow or are they things that are reserved for

1184
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: specifically the non verbal speakers.

1185
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: No, I think that everyone probably has these in us

1186
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: to a certain degree, just like some people are excellent

1187
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: basketball and some people can barely shoot a basket. So

1188
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 2: I think that it depends on the individual. Like telepathy

1189
00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 2: seems so remarkably hard how your I read someone's thoughts,

1190
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: But I will say the thing that it was the

1191
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: hardest episode for me to put into the world because

1192
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 2: it felt so unbelievable, but I knew it to be true.

1193
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: Because I witnessed it was that there was a huge

1194
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 2: amount of teachers, like a lot of teachers who were

1195
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: saying that after working with especially usually one student that

1196
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 2: they were really close to, they were able to start

1197
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 2: hearing them back. So the telepathies at going two ways.

1198
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 2: And when I first heard that, I was shocked, and

1199
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Speaker 2: I was shocked that it wasn't a parents. I mean

1200
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 2: it has some parents have said this has happened to them,

1201
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: but a lot of teachers where like I will hear

1202
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 2: their voice in my head, I can hear their full sentences,

1203
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 2: I can hear what they're thinking and what they're about

1204
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: to spell, and it goes the same way. And so

1205
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 2: some of these teachers have told me it's so powerful

1206
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: now that we can sit next to each other and

1207
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 2: have a nonverbal educational period and I'll ask questions and

1208
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 2: they'll write, or they'll ask questions, and then I hear

1209
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: it back and there's no they don't even have to spell.

1210
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 2: And when I first heard this, I thought, what like

1211
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: can that be? And then I heard it again and

1212
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: then again and then again from people who don't know

1213
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 2: each other. And then I heard a woman who was

1214
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 2: a team you're on a podcast reporting this, and she

1215
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: thought she was the only persons that ever happened to

1216
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 2: the world. And I remember reaching out, I'm like, no, no, no, no, no,

1217
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: you're not alone. Like, I know, it seems like a miracle,

1218
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,400
Speaker 2: but this is not. You know, how's that happened? And

1219
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,359
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I wonder can certain people help

1220
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: us turn it on or like rip off the block

1221
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 2: in our brain? And I don't know if the non

1222
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 2: speaking individuals these teachers were working with help them get there,

1223
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 2: or if you just clear your mind and you're in

1224
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 2: the space with someone in such a beautiful special way

1225
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: that we can all do it.

1226
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I often wonder also whether science will

1227
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 1: ever be able to measure a lot of these experiences

1228
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: in phenomena in a way that makes sense to everyone.

1229
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: I often wondered that whether some of these things are

1230
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: just the way they are. And like you said, because

1231
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: our scientific tools have been built to measure that which

1232
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: is material and seen, how can we measure something with

1233
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: the tool that's meant to measure something that's seen that's unseen.

1234
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: Anyway, the most beautiful comment I heard from a non

1235
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 2: speaking individual about that was they were like, well, why

1236
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: are you all trying to measure telepathy with your instruments

1237
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 2: was exact wording. And I was like, well, to prove it,

1238
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, why aren't you trying to prove

1239
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: love in a lab? That is the most special and

1240
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: strongest power. It will cause people to jump into a

1241
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: choppy ocean or to pick up the car with such

1242
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 2: adrenaline if their child is trapped, Like love is the

1243
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 2: greatest superpower, that's the biggest superpower. Why aren't you trying

1244
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 2: to measure that in a lab? And I was like,

1245
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: I guess I don't know why. I don't know why

1246
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 2: we're not measuring love. Has love been measured? But that

1247
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: was the equivalent in their mind of like us trying

1248
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 2: to measure telepathy. This person was like, this is just

1249
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 2: part and parcel of this, like love, connection, communication, almost survival,

1250
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: right if you can't speak, can't communicate, like beyond spelling,

1251
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: that it can be a lifeline. And I just thought

1252
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: that was so beautiful because there are certain things that

1253
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: you just accept, and telepathy might be so hard for

1254
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 2: some people to accept, but if you're living it and

1255
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:56,240
Speaker 2: breathing it, it's part of your bouquet of what you

1256
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: need to get around in the world.

1257
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 3: It might seem silly to measure.

1258
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: What have you found in your research looking at animals

1259
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: and telepathy?

1260
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a beautiful element to this, I think,

1261
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 2: and to me it really helped helped me believe everything more.

1262
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: I think that there are mental fields around certain animals.

1263
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 2: We see this in schools of fish. How are they

1264
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: turning at the exact same time, right, and certain like

1265
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: murmurs of birds who are basically have like the same

1266
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: mind and there is this idea of like, are they

1267
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: all kind of connected to a greater mental field of

1268
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 2: consciousness that is helping control their movements. Rupert Childrake, a

1269
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 2: biologist from Cambridge, talks a lot about this and he's

1270
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: written books and done incredible research on the animals. Pets

1271
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 2: knowing when their owners are coming home and they'll put

1272
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 2: cameras around and page somewhat the office, so it's always

1273
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 2: they're coming home in a different time, in a different

1274
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: car from a different place, and they have cameras and

1275
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 2: see that. The dog will go stand by the door,

1276
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: and in some cases cats, and if there's a flat tire,

1277
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: something happens, or this person gets called back into the office,

1278
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 2: the dog will go back and sit down, and then

1279
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 2: the sink and their owners heading home again, they come

1280
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: back up. So there seems to be this telepath thick

1281
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 2: link there. And one of my favorite stories that we

1282
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: share in the Telepathy Tapes has to do with elephants.

1283
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: And there was a conservationist who was trying to get

1284
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: you know, some rowdy elephants into an animal preserve. And

1285
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 2: after a good amount of time, this man's name is

1286
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 2: Lawrence Anthony. You know, he really worked to get the

1287
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 2: elephants trust he made their safe space. It was a

1288
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 2: huge amount of land and he hadn't been i think,

1289
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 2: in touch or seeing these elephants much in the last

1290
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: few years of his life. And then one day he died. Well,

1291
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: the elephants all kind of gathered and walked to his

1292
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: house from where they were and they all kind of

1293
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: show up right around the same time, and they stayed

1294
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: for a few days mourning. And it was remarkable for

1295
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: his widow because the question is how did these elephants

1296
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 2: know to go and do their mourning ritual how? And

1297
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: the story doesn't end there. Every year on the Anniversaro's death,

1298
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Speaker 2: and this went on for a few years, the elephants

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Speaker 2: would leave what they were doing and go to his

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00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: house and.

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Speaker 1: Hey, their respects only on that day.

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Speaker 2: On that day, it took them a while to get there.

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01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: They had to walk a few days to get there.

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01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: But yes, they knew exactly when he died the first time,

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Speaker 2: and then they would pay their respects thereafter for a

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Speaker 2: few years on the day.

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Speaker 1: Of his death.

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Speaker 2: And so to me, it's like, if you have a

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Speaker 2: hard time grasping telepathy in humans, look at the animals,

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Speaker 2: because we're pretty closely related, you know, And there's just

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01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: some beautiful treasures of stories of this telepathic link expressing

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Speaker 2: itself in nature.

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Speaker 1: One thing that really stood out to me was I

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Speaker 1: think you said that the American Speech Language Hearing Association

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Speaker 1: says that spelling is not a valid form of communication,

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Speaker 1: and they call it a pseudoscience. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: so that's interesting as well. Why is it considered that way.

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Speaker 2: There is a history here for sure, And I think

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01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 2: the first thing that kind of made the stigma around

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Speaker 2: spelling really take hold was with facilitated communication, Where facilitated

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Speaker 2: communication was the first Oh my gosh, visuals are spelling

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01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 2: that people thought were locked inside and could never spell,

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Speaker 2: and that required like touch and the use of touch

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: became problematic, I think, especially with some people who weren't trained,

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01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 2: because some awful court cases erupted from consent that wasn't

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Speaker 2: given right, horrible things that happened through through this form

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Speaker 2: of spelling. So then spelling evolved into rapid prompting method

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01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 2: and spelling to communicate. And now the speller's method where

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Speaker 2: no touch at all, I mean you cannot touch it as

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Speaker 2: like a tenant of that. And when you sit in

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Speaker 2: the room with a speller, it's really remarkable to watch,

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01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 2: you know, because they're not being touched.

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Speaker 3: They're spelling.

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01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 2: It's clear they're pointing directly to where they want to go.

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Speaker 2: It's not like a struggle. The parent is certainly not

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01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 2: going like this, you know. Often it's completely like rooted.

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Speaker 2: So it's really difficult that that stigma exists because these

1338
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 2: individuals are having to prove constantly I'm in here, my

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Speaker 2: words are mine, I authored them, and that's really hard.

1340
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Speaker 2: But I will say that this is not a new thing.

1341
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Speaker 2: Sign language took over one hundred years to become accepted,

1342
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Speaker 2: even in the sixties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I won't me through that. I didn't know that.

1344
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Speaker 1: I learned that through listening like, yeah, one hundred and

1345
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Speaker 1: fifty years, Yeah, sign language took to be accepted. Yeah,

1346
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Speaker 1: what would the steps? Do you know that?

1347
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I think people were saying it wasn't a

1348
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: real language, there's no grammatical structure. The rallying cry was

1349
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Speaker 2: that anyone who is deaf should learn to read lips

1350
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: and try to speak basically fit into our world. We

1351
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 2: are not going to allow this language to take place.

1352
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: Same thing happened with braille. Louis Brailed, the inventor of braille,

1353
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 2: kind of modified this language where you could use dots

1354
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: to communicate, and it was considered it was outlawed. They

1355
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: weren't allowed to use it in school where he was

1356
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: going to school. When they finally did a big test

1357
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: to prove like one person who was blind was going

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01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 2: to spell something and another person was going to read it,

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01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: because the kids were using it like quietly, even though

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01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: it was like outlawed in the school. And when they

1361
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 2: did that big test with viewers and people to watch,

1362
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 2: the first big claim was they're cheating. They practiced an

1363
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: advance to pretend what they were going to write. It

1364
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: seemed outlandish that you could read dots with your finger

1365
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: and spell by poking holes into something, and so Braille

1366
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 2: went through the same dilemma. And so I think like

1367
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Speaker 2: this control of how we use language, who's allowed to

1368
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: use it, and if it's valid is not new, but

1369
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Speaker 2: it's really unfortunate because that is a human right to communicate,

1370
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 2: to say what you want for dinner, I mean, the

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Speaker 2: most basic things. And if anyone out there is critiquing

1372
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Speaker 2: this without seeing a speller in action, I just think

1373
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 2: it's like a crime because you are trying to steal

1374
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 2: a voice from another living human being.

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Speaker 3: It's really mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, what do the skeptics think is going

1377
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Speaker 1: on in those homes.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot around the tests around spelling right to

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Speaker 2: prove it's like efficacy have really changed throughout the years.

1380
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Speaker 2: So at first it's like, okay, no touch. Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: there's no touch.

1382
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Speaker 3: Now sit further apart. Okay, sit further apart. That's working.

1383
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: Then it's like the parent shouldn't look at the board. Okay,

1384
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 2: well we won't look at the board. Then it's like

1385
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 2: then can the parent leave the room? Well, there's something fascinating,

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Speaker 2: which is why I think it's really important that this

1387
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 2: whole telepathy bit is getting out there because I think

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01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 2: a lot of people who work with spellers, and there

1389
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 2: are some spellers who are absolutely independent, like they're rock

1390
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 2: and roll and they're off to the races and it's a.

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Speaker 3: Journey and it's a evolution.

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Speaker 2: But there's certainly many spellers I've talked to who say, like,

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01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: I need a person nearby, a trusted communication partner. And

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the physiology is grounding them.

1395
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if it is that it's helpful to

1396
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 2: use their eyes. I have no idea what it is.

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01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 2: But there's this beautiful kind of meshing that happens, especially

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01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 2: in the earlier parts of the journey that are a

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01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: bit inexplicable, and if you try to test it, it's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be like how do you explain that?

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01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 2: And I don't know, But it takes two people to

1402
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 2: do sign language, you know, you can't do it alone.

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01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: And so if this partner, and it doesn't always have

1404
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: to often people have many partners, right, There might be

1405
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 2: some communication partners at school and it work and with

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Speaker 2: a parent, But if that partner is needed to be

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Speaker 2: somewhere in the space to ground you, why does it matter,

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01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: I mean, why does it actually matter if they're typing

1409
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: on their own with their finger, new thoughts, self diagnosing,

1410
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,360
Speaker 2: talking about things other people don't know about. I mean,

1411
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 2: it's clear they're in there and they're communicating their thoughts.

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01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 2: Why it is that someone might need to be in

1413
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: the room to help them do it, that's a science

1414
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 2: question that I can't answer. I think it has to

1415
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 2: do with physiology. I think it has to do with energy.

1416
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 2: It might have to do with like using someone else's

1417
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:22,160
Speaker 2: like frequency to help you just stabilize. I have no

1418
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: iight or integrate with your body.

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01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. I don't think anyone knows.

1420
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 2: But people are asking the wrong questions because they're trying

1421
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 2: to test test test tests this and not looking at like, well,

1422
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 2: why is that link needed to make spelling work? But

1423
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 2: certainly the individuals are typing their own thoughts, often self

1424
01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 2: diagnosing their own care spelling things that the spelling partner

1425
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 2: might not know about. This fascinating.

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Speaker 1: What's been your If you had to pick a couple

1427
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:53,000
Speaker 1: of favorite stories or experiences that have really stayed with

1428
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 1: your relationships you've built with some of the parents and families,

1429
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: and I mean speaking individuals that stand out to you

1430
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: that you shared on telepathy type.

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01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 2: So every day is a bit of a it's a

1432
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 2: beautiful thing. And I think about even now that we

1433
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 2: have a film team working on this, that they are

1434
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 2: starting to send their stories with Like my producer just

1435
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: wrote the other day and she's like, I just met

1436
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,439
Speaker 2: this mom and then her daughter walked in the room

1437
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 2: and knew my name and where I lived and what

1438
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 2: my child's name was, and like why I hadn't said

1439
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 2: any of that and how did she know that? And

1440
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: I was like, exactly, it's welcome, you know, welcome to

1441
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 2: the party, and it's.

1442
01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:29,479
Speaker 3: It's fun.

1443
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 2: And like one of my favorite memories was once there's

1444
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 2: a mom that was trying to get a hold of

1445
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: me and I was busy on like phone calls and

1446
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to answer, and I was a little concerned,

1447
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 2: like maybe it's an emergency.

1448
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: Fast forward, it's like lunch.

1449
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 2: I walk out of my home office into my kitchen

1450
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 2: and I'm making lunch in the phone rings and I

1451
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: was like, oh, your timing is perfect, and she's like,

1452
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I just I just was told

1453
01:06:49,960 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 2: you walked out to get lunch and stuff like that,

1454
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 2: where it's like oh my goodness, Like are they remote

1455
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 2: viewing me sometimes, you know, which is fine.

1456
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 3: So there's just it's it's like it's of magic every day.

1457
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not claiming to have any telepathic abilities, but

1458
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 1: I have this habit of whenever I think of someone,

1459
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 1: I always messes them, even if I don't need anything

1460
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: or want anything. And nine nine percent of the time

1461
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: when I think of someone, I don't want anything or

1462
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: need something, yeah, so I'll just message them and say, hey,

1463
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of you and you know, sending love them

1464
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: here for you. And nine to nine percent of the

1465
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: time someone will mess me back and say I was

1466
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 1: just thinking about you, yeah, or I need really need

1467
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: to try now whatever it may be. Now, whatever that is,

1468
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,240
Speaker 1: I always love the magic of being able to send

1469
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: that message, whether it mis met with a positive response

1470
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, And it's just a beautiful thing to try.

1471
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: And I think I just love that your work is

1472
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:41,440
Speaker 1: making us more curious and opening us up to these ideas,

1473
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: because that, to me, is the part of us that's

1474
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: missing when it comes to spiritual innovation.

1475
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 2: You know, Mark Twain talked about he called it mental telegraphy,

1476
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:53,680
Speaker 2: and this was his observation that often you would write

1477
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: a letter to someone you haven't thought about in five,

1478
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,080
Speaker 2: seven years or you know, and then the day that

1479
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: you postmarked it, you'd receive a lot or seven days

1480
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 2: later or whatever it was postmarked the same day from

1481
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 2: that person on the other side of the globe. So

1482
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: it's like you both had like the physical male proof

1483
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: of when you sent the letter. And Mark Swain marveled

1484
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: in that, as one should. And Upton Sinclair, who wrote

1485
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: The Jungle, I mean, you know, beautiful writer. And one

1486
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 2: of his books that he wrote after he had gone

1487
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 2: through his life was called Mental Radio, where him and

1488
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: his wife did a bunch of telepathy tests together and

1489
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 2: they documented how accurate they were. And I love the

1490
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 2: opening to that book by Upton Sinclair because he's like,

1491
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,800
Speaker 2: this would be the type of thing that should be

1492
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 2: dismissed or you should you know, is held with such

1493
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 2: high skepticism. But what he said is, after I've experienced it,

1494
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 2: I know this to be true. And I loved his words.

1495
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 2: He wasn't like I think this is true. It was

1496
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 2: I know this is true. So this has all been around.

1497
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about as you can to ask you boy,

1498
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: the connection between dreams and telepathy. Has there been any

1499
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: connection there. Have you come across anything between those?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think for people who are deeply

1501
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: interested in that. We have an episode on that, which

1502
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 2: is episode eight of the selepty Tapes, which I encourage

1503
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: people to listen to an order. But there was one

1504
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: mom in England and I wanted to we have a

1505
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 2: spelling episode all about spelling, and that's episode eight where

1506
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 2: we go into the issues around spelling. But I thought

1507
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,880
Speaker 2: one of the best non speakers to highlight in that

1508
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,759
Speaker 2: episode would be someone who never learned to spell and

1509
01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 2: him and his mom have a telepathic link together, but

1510
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 2: it's formed in their dreams where he brings her into

1511
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: a lucid dreaming state the first time it ever happened.

1512
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 2: I love this story. He was younger, I think he

1513
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 2: was maybe like eleven or so. Came to her in

1514
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 2: a dream and she thought she was dreaming, and then

1515
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:36,840
Speaker 2: he gave her an ace of spades and did this

1516
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,320
Speaker 2: whole thing like look through the ace of spades, and

1517
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: she like woke up into a lucid dream and then

1518
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:43,680
Speaker 2: he started talking and telling her all this stuff and

1519
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,560
Speaker 2: remember this in the morning, and they're going to tell you.

1520
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: I need you know, antibiotics, but I need probiotics and

1521
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah.

1522
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:50,240
Speaker 3: So she woke up in the morning and thought, oh,

1523
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 3: I just had a dream and he was talking.

1524
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: Didn't think anything of it, and then he went and

1525
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:55,759
Speaker 2: saw her the next morning, grabbed up ace of spades

1526
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 2: from a deck in the other room and like, show

1527
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 2: did what he did in the dream. And that's when

1528
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:01,640
Speaker 2: she she realized, oh, my goodness, he came to my

1529
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 2: in my dream and was talking there and that's how

1530
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 2: they have deep conversations and they actually start writing music

1531
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 2: together that way. She didn't know he was a musician

1532
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: until he was starting music therapy late in his life,

1533
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,200
Speaker 2: I mean in his twenties. Once you discovered that, he

1534
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: started coming to earn dreams and being like this is

1535
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: a melody or these are the lyrics, you need to

1536
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 2: write this down. And now he's I mean, he's pretty

1537
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: well respected musician in England. Wow, it's all through dreams.

1538
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: It's incredible. And one of the things that I came

1539
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,160
Speaker 1: across listening that I wanted to know more about is

1540
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: John Paul and Lily and that connection. Can you explain

1541
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 1: that to the audience who may not have had it yet.

1542
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1543
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: I mean there's a non speaker featured in sy tape.

1544
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:41,360
Speaker 2: His name is John Paul's episode four. He's episode four,

1545
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,639
Speaker 2: and he's ginormous. I mean he's almost he's like almost

1546
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 2: seven feet doll. He's a huge individual. And he had

1547
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,519
Speaker 2: a girlfriend named Lily. They would letter board, but they'd

1548
01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 2: often say when they were letter boarding it was for

1549
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 2: like everyone's benefit around them, that most of their relationship

1550
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 2: was telepathic. And John Paul's mother used to say it

1551
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 2: was really funny because they would go on like dates

1552
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 2: at her house, and like they'd be on different floors

1553
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 2: and she'd be like, are they even hanging out?

1554
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:04,479
Speaker 3: Like what is this?

1555
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 2: And then she would leave and John Paul would be like,

1556
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: that was so great. We had so many awesome conversations,

1557
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 2: you know, because a lot of it was happening in

1558
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,559
Speaker 2: mine to mine, and it was just a beautiful part

1559
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 2: of it. And the parents would kind of marvel at

1560
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:17,519
Speaker 2: like sometimes in the exact second they each each would

1561
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 2: come down and say, I want to go see you know,

1562
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 2: John Paul, I want to go see Lily. We text

1563
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 2: and the text would come in from each other right

1564
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:24,200
Speaker 2: at the same time, and that's when the parents were like,

1565
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 2: they're talking to each other from where they're what, how

1566
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: is this happening? It was telepathy, so yeah, I mean

1567
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 2: and that you know, John Paul loved Lily so much,

1568
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: and Lily loves John Paul.

1569
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 3: I mean, they really wanted to get married.

1570
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 2: And I think it's such an important, beautiful element of this,

1571
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: and I think it's important for everyone to understand, is

1572
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 2: like a non speaking individual is still an individual with

1573
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: their high school interests and you know, hobbies and desires

1574
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 2: and bands they like and clothes they like and things

1575
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 2: they want and relationships they want. I mean, I think

1576
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 2: the spiritual gifts is just a part of it. It's

1577
01:11:58,240 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 2: just a part of it. Like I don't think it's

1578
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,599
Speaker 2: hell to look at these individuals as orcoles or you know,

1579
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 2: they're human beings that're just sort of more tapped into this.

1580
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah right, right, And I think that's an really important

1581
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: point that you made there. It's like we all have

1582
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: different gifts and abilities, and it's just I think if

1583
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: you start to think that this person is gifted beyond that,

1584
01:12:19,040 --> 01:12:20,759
Speaker 1: that I can get quite messy.

1585
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1586
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in any way for anything, for.

1587
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 2: Sure, you know, I mean, Lily likes biking and go karting,

1588
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: and John paul love poetry and swimming and manatees, and

1589
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 2: like Mia from episode one wants to be a writer.

1590
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:34,799
Speaker 3: She wants to go to Japan.

1591
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 2: Like the most important thing is to know any individual

1592
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 2: what makes them tick, what their interests are, what they

1593
01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:43,080
Speaker 2: want to do with their lives. I mean, like, these

1594
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 2: are the questions we all should be entitled to answer

1595
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 2: for ourselves and every non speaking individual. And I just

1596
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: want people to remember this as an individual that should

1597
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 2: be met in that way. And this is these gifts,

1598
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 2: if they appear in such an individual is beautiful and cool.

1599
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 3: But it's not.

1600
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: It doesn't define them. Can you explain the well, this

1601
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 2: was something that didn't form for me as like a

1602
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 2: valid thing. Immediately, there was a few non speakers in

1603
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:10,440
Speaker 2: Atlanta that said that they connect on the Hill telepathically

1604
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 2: and that it's a chat chat room basically a telepathic

1605
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 2: chatroom where you can tune in. And Houston was a

1606
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 2: name who named it. He actually named it the Chat

1607
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 2: on the Hill to talk on the Hill. And then

1608
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 2: his good friend John Paula said that he goes there

1609
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 2: and he would put pillows on his head to block

1610
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,960
Speaker 2: out stuff. And then his girlfriend Lily said she goes

1611
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 2: there and that a lot of people can get there

1612
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 2: and that there's more than one hill. So I had

1613
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 2: a hard time wrapping my head around that. And at

1614
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: first I'm like, Okay, it's an Atlanta thing, like the

1615
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: individuals in Atlanta are doing this where I really talk

1616
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 2: about two by four like. There's been a few moments,

1617
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: and for one for me was when I had just

1618
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: met this new teacher in Chicago.

1619
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 3: She had no idea idea about telepathy at all.

1620
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 2: She had reached out to doctor Powell because her students

1621
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: were talking about ghosts and seeing ghosts and knowing things

1622
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 2: and it totally weird to tell her not weird, like

1623
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,600
Speaker 2: this was just weird. So she she absently called me

1624
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,679
Speaker 2: and doctor Powell she's explaining this. I did a follow

1625
01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 2: up with her once she saw that tslup It with

1626
01:14:02,479 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: his happening, and then she said, and you would not

1627
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 2: believe it, like some of the kids are saying they

1628
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,280
Speaker 2: go to this place called the hill, and on the

1629
01:14:07,360 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 2: hill they can learn this and learn that, And I

1630
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 2: thought what.

1631
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,080
Speaker 3: And then fully.

1632
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 2: Third person was this minister from like a mega church

1633
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: in Arizona. I met him. He was very nervous to

1634
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,200
Speaker 2: talk about this. He was writing his own book. He

1635
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 2: thought this was only in his congregation that he you know, again,

1636
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: it was a miracle that he alone was privy to.

1637
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 2: I met him and then he was telling me a

1638
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 2: story about how one of his students would just met

1639
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 2: with another non speaker from another church in another state,

1640
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 2: and he's like, and they were talking about the Weirrees,

1641
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: saying when they're going through the phone, they started spelling

1642
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: to each other. Meet me at the Hill and he's like,

1643
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 2: do you know what that is? And I think I

1644
01:14:40,200 --> 01:14:43,600
Speaker 2: was stunned because now here's someone in Minnesota talking about Arizona,

1645
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,559
Speaker 2: Chicago and Atlanta. So after I had to go through

1646
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 2: a lot of Hill references to believe it myself, and

1647
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,440
Speaker 2: now there's no doubt in my mind.

1648
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:54,880
Speaker 1: That's I can't wait to learn more about that.

1649
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's cool.

1650
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 2: It's very frustrating, I think for a lot non speakers,

1651
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 2: because you want to do something and your body totally

1652
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 2: betrays you. You might want to enter a room instead

1653
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 2: you're leaving it. And the only time it seems like

1654
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 2: they're able to really like gather and communicate their true

1655
01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: thoughts is through spelling. That mind body disconnect taught me

1656
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: a lot because, for instance, a Keel who we feature

1657
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: in episode two, he.

1658
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:16,640
Speaker 3: Didn't know who his body was.

1659
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: And for a lot of people who need to be

1660
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 2: touched when they first learned spelling is because they don't

1661
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 2: know where their body is. A Kiell didn't know he

1662
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 2: had fingers. He had to be massaged over and over.

1663
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 2: I remember Houston when he first was spelling. He said

1664
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 2: he needed heavy boots so he knew where the ground was.

1665
01:15:30,479 --> 01:15:32,679
Speaker 2: And so you can imagine if you don't feel connected

1666
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: to your body to the point where you don't even

1667
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 2: think you have one, you're.

1668
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 3: Living in the mental world. That consciousness is fundamental.

1669
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: That makes even more sense now, I think it's.

1670
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: Less about non speaking people. I don't think it has

1671
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 2: much to do with autism at all. I think it

1672
01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 2: has to do with apraxia and not being connected to

1673
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 2: your body.

1674
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is completely Yeah, that makes so much more sense.

1675
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: When I was looking at studies on monk's brains, they

1676
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 1: found that when monks who are doing the deepest meditations,

1677
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 1: if they put their hand on a hot plate which

1678
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: most of us would touch and immediately take our hand back,

1679
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:09,760
Speaker 1: that they were able to keep their hand on it

1680
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:13,879
Speaker 1: because they're disconnected from the physical experience, so it didn't

1681
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: feel hot to them at all because they were so

1682
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 1: removed from their physical state. And those studies have been

1683
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 1: improven and shown and just that idea of being so

1684
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 1: deep in meditation that you didn't feel heat, and I

1685
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: think people, you know, it's really interesting to think about

1686
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,799
Speaker 1: Eastern traditions. There's a beautiful statement by C. S. Lewis

1687
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: that says, you don't have a soul, you are the soul,

1688
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,520
Speaker 1: and you have a body and going to your consciousness.

1689
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: Point that idea that because we live as if we

1690
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: are the body, Eastern traditions wouldn't argue that therefore we

1691
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: only know what the body knows. We only know our

1692
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 1: limits based on physicality. But for those of us that

1693
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 1: know we're not the body and that we're consciousness so

1694
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: much more as accessible and that's where you'll point around

1695
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 1: belief system and value system and everything else come in

1696
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 1: that I'll wait a minute, I'm not actually just limited

1697
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: by this.

1698
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,759
Speaker 2: Right absolutely, And I think that like when we understand

1699
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 2: that and praxia and the mind body disconnect, and that

1700
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 2: can help inform a lot of the confusion around spelling,

1701
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:21,080
Speaker 2: you know, because certainly if you don't know where your

1702
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: body is when you're learning, it helps to touch. And

1703
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 2: that's why when people throw facility communication out because you're

1704
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:27,479
Speaker 2: being touched, it's like no, if that's working for someone

1705
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 2: and they need pressure the whole time to know where

1706
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:30,680
Speaker 2: their hand.

1707
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 3: Is, put pressure on their hands so they can spell awesome.

1708
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,280
Speaker 2: Cool, Like let's assist people to get to their best

1709
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,680
Speaker 2: selves and their whole you know. But yeah, the mind

1710
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 2: body disconnect then not knowing where your body is because

1711
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: non speakers say that over and over and over and

1712
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 2: over again that they're not living in their body. They

1713
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 2: don't feel their body, they don't have control over their body,

1714
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 2: and so so.

1715
01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,879
Speaker 3: Then what is the reality. It's not the body reality.

1716
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,200
Speaker 2: It's a different reality, yes, And this is what we're

1717
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 2: all tuning into, this different reality that they're able to

1718
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 2: talk about as messengers because of a flight. Honestly, I

1719
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,080
Speaker 2: think most of them feel very frustrated about the inability

1720
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 2: to control their body, but the gifts that come along

1721
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: with it. And John Paul when he said some I

1722
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: think Libby once asked him, like, you know, what about

1723
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 2: what do you love most about yourself and he was like, everything,

1724
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: you know. So I do think like that experience of

1725
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 2: not being tethered to your body can be beautiful. It's

1726
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 2: just different from what we're seeing. We're seeing a body

1727
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 2: that's having a very difficult time managing in the world,

1728
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: but their experience is not bodily to the same degree.

1729
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was speaking to one of my friends the

1730
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: other day and he was he's very deep into AI,

1731
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: and he was explaining to me that if you looked

1732
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: at an extremely, extremely below average individual in terms of IQ,

1733
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: Einstein was only two point four more times intelligent than

1734
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 1: that person, and then if you look at AI, we

1735
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,160
Speaker 1: can't even comprehend how intelligent AI is because AI is

1736
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 1: going to be is already one hundred times more intelligent

1737
01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: than that, million times more intelligent, could be expansively ten

1738
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 1: million times more intelligent than Ein's, which is bizarre to

1739
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: even experience and imagine, because how could someone be more

1740
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 1: intelligent and have a better IQ than Einstein. And it's

1741
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 1: just really interesting when you look at it from that

1742
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: dimension that I think we're already with AI experiencing something

1743
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 1: quite remarkable and quite beyond like it. It's quite phenomenal.

1744
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 1: That we kind of take it as something that's to

1745
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 1: some degree becoming normalized, when it's really not that normal

1746
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:28,200
Speaker 1: that there are going to be and just because we

1747
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: see it as computers in tech, but being able to

1748
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 1: understand us, being able to know our needs, being able

1749
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,040
Speaker 1: to know what we want to hear. I've read so

1750
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,000
Speaker 1: many articles with people now using AI as their therapist

1751
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:45,400
Speaker 1: and everything else and feeling so understood. But that's the

1752
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: same kind of curiosity and openness we have to have

1753
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: over here, of just being open to marvel at these

1754
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: incredible abilities. I don't know if that resonates or wrong.

1755
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,400
Speaker 2: I mean, no, I think it's fascinating. I mean, I

1756
01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 2: think we can attach so much of our personal needs

1757
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,680
Speaker 2: onto anything, you know what I mean. And AI is

1758
01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: just all of this is converging at the same time.

1759
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 2: And that's what that's what's most interesting, is like AI

1760
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 2: and like what that's making us question about consciousness. I

1761
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 2: think even like psychedelics and people's embrace of how that

1762
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 2: can help with mental health and explorations of consciousness and

1763
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 2: the trials are doing where people feel like they are

1764
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 2: certain there's more, you know, and that's happening with this

1765
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,479
Speaker 2: exposure of what the non speakers are hoping to I

1766
01:20:29,479 --> 01:20:34,679
Speaker 2: think teach us alongside sudden interests and validation are uap

1767
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 2: Like it seems like it's all converging at once. Yes,

1768
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,000
Speaker 2: and we're just like in the water of it right now.

1769
01:20:40,040 --> 01:20:41,960
Speaker 2: Like I don't even think we realize how significant this

1770
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: moment is for humans and consciousness. It's a cool time

1771
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:45,960
Speaker 2: to be alive.

1772
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: How do we make sure that it's not made quiet

1773
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,519
Speaker 1: and put down because I imagine that that's you know,

1774
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: a natural thing that's happened in the past as well.

1775
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, that it's been it's back down and just.

1776
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's seen as scary, it's or people are like,

1777
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: oh this is bad or or it's you know, whatever

1778
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: is How do how do we make sure that we

1779
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:04,559
Speaker 1: keep asking these questions?

1780
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: And I think social media has changed everything because I

1781
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,719
Speaker 2: think the scaffolding of control was always very powerful before,

1782
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,360
Speaker 2: because it's like someone had the ability to silence you

1783
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: and no one would know that happen, Like you could

1784
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 2: be just quieted and not be able to your truth out.

1785
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 2: They'd steal your camera and it was done, you know.

1786
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 2: But I feel like or there just be a mass discredit,

1787
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 2: you know, discrediting of someone. What's happening now with social

1788
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: media is you can get out of truth very quickly

1789
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 2: and find other people who agree and concur and thumb

1790
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:38,599
Speaker 2: up it, and and it's much it's much more difficult

1791
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 2: to make someone seem bonkers, especially when there's a lot

1792
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:42,759
Speaker 2: of people validating a truth.

1793
01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,439
Speaker 1: If scientists and others in the community are open to

1794
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:49,760
Speaker 1: wanting to go and be with the non speakers and

1795
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 1: be a part of this, how do we do and

1796
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: how does the general public do it in a way

1797
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: that isn't disrespectful? Isn't because I can imagine that testing

1798
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,360
Speaker 1: and things could be exhausting for these individuals, the humans

1799
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: with kind of you know, this whole process is somewhat

1800
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: invasive of.

1801
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I get very nervous about that, and

1802
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 2: I feel like scientists and researchers, it's like you have

1803
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 2: your questions, but like just let's pause for a second,

1804
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 2: you know. And one of the things that we've been

1805
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 2: talking about and trying to start a foundation for and

1806
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 2: put like profits that come in from the film or

1807
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: anything or donations to this foundation that maybe could try

1808
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 2: to open up centers in different states or cities where

1809
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,880
Speaker 2: non speakers can go and learn to spell for free

1810
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 2: in an affordable way and have physical therapy, and parents

1811
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,120
Speaker 2: can have respite care where they can bring their child

1812
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: here and they know they'll be well taken care of,

1813
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 2: and the non speakers can have their physical and mental

1814
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: and spiritual needs met. And then then only then it's

1815
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 2: like if there's an interest that one individuals like I

1816
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:51,439
Speaker 2: do want to study Wales, then maybe like through these

1817
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:55,000
Speaker 2: centers of scientists who marine biologists could apply and they

1818
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:56,599
Speaker 2: have to learn how to spell, and they have to

1819
01:22:56,640 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 2: like really get vetted and be on the level of

1820
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 2: the non speakers, and then there could be like a

1821
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:01,920
Speaker 2: way that maybe where they pay the nonspeedch wo or

1822
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 2: work with them and so that way it's equitable and

1823
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: it's all centered on the non speaker and really working

1824
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,880
Speaker 2: to fit into their world instead of asking them to

1825
01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 2: be a square peg fitting into like the round.

1826
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 3: Hole of our world.

1827
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:17,000
Speaker 2: And so I think we just have to approach it differently.

1828
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 2: The thing that makes me sick is the idea of

1829
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: someone being like I want to test on speakers, do

1830
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,240
Speaker 2: this and do that, Like that is gross and I

1831
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: can't imagine. I don't think many families will I mean

1832
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:30,000
Speaker 2: some very science minded people might, but like I know

1833
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:32,080
Speaker 2: one of our individuals that is in our project like

1834
01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:33,559
Speaker 2: really wants to learn plant medicine.

1835
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 3: How awesome.

1836
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,720
Speaker 2: But like, let's find a scientist who deeply cares and

1837
01:23:36,800 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 2: just doesn't want to like ask questions and cut and run,

1838
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,280
Speaker 2: like pay the individual, you know, bring them into the fold,

1839
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:46,439
Speaker 2: help with their education, you know. So there's a way

1840
01:23:46,479 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: to do it ethically and we just have to get

1841
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 2: there first.

1842
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 1: How does that feel after thrown our years of work,

1843
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: I'm sure, like finally sharing it with the world and

1844
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:56,599
Speaker 1: receiving those emails yourself and what's that experience being like.

1845
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 2: I think the worst outcome for me, which would have

1846
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: been really would have been like if we were getting

1847
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 2: emails being like.

1848
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 3: This isn't true, this isn't true.

1849
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: But the opposite has happened, where it's so many parents

1850
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 2: who were like I always thought this was but you know,

1851
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: my wife didn't believe me, or husband didn't believe me,

1852
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 2: or bank like blank. And now like we're having open

1853
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,839
Speaker 2: conversations and we're setting it to the nieces and nephews

1854
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,599
Speaker 2: and uncle's nants and like that's really cool and it's

1855
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,880
Speaker 2: just so beautiful I mean it's beautiful because I think

1856
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,320
Speaker 2: people are finding community. And MY biggest concern always is

1857
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 2: for people to live like a transparent whole life, like

1858
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:32,840
Speaker 2: don't compartmentalize, don't lie in secret, just be all of you.

1859
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:36,679
Speaker 2: And I think for non speaking individuals, they are able

1860
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:39,519
Speaker 2: to now be all of themselves because so many more

1861
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:42,760
Speaker 2: people are willing and able to see them and receive them.

1862
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 2: That is beautiful, Like there's no there's nothing that can

1863
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 2: compare to that.

1864
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: And how has it impacted your personal or spiritual and

1865
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: consciousness journey of understanding yourself on a deeper level.

1866
01:24:54,720 --> 01:24:57,599
Speaker 2: I mean, I believe all sorts of things I did

1867
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:59,880
Speaker 2: in three and a half years ago. I certainly believe

1868
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:05,679
Speaker 2: that consciousness is survives. I actually think consciousness is not local.

1869
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 2: I don't believe our body creates it. I mean I

1870
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: think we help and assist in that, and our memories

1871
01:25:10,040 --> 01:25:11,680
Speaker 2: and all those things work together. But I think we

1872
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 2: are working with consciousness coming in from somewhere else. I

1873
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 2: certainly believe in things like precognition and siabilities and even

1874
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 2: mediumship abilities, stuff like that that I didn't that I

1875
01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 2: dismissed before. Yeah, I mean, I'm forever changed you know,

1876
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 2: and it's cool. Like I have young kids, and it's

1877
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: cool watching how they're growing up with these things. I mean,

1878
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,120
Speaker 2: they hear about it all the time. It's hearing the

1879
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,760
Speaker 2: zoom calls and it's just part of their life. Like

1880
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,640
Speaker 2: I've saw my daughter playing barbies the other day and

1881
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 2: they were this is actually a few years back when

1882
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 2: I was still working on it, and they were divving

1883
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:42,920
Speaker 2: up like, Okay, your barbies are doing this, and this

1884
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 2: is the identity of your barbies. My daughter goes and

1885
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 2: my two barbies are non speakers. And then her friend

1886
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 2: is like, well, how are they going to talk? And

1887
01:25:49,680 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: she's like through telepathy and she's like, oh my gosh,

1888
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 2: that's great, you know, just watching it, like being part

1889
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 2: and parcel of you know, their world.

1890
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 3: That was cool.

1891
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 1: What's the wildest thought of yours they read when you didn't?

1892
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 2: I mean, it was an embarrassing thought and I had

1893
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:09,640
Speaker 2: no idea the extent and I'm not even going to

1894
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 2: say what it was. But we were sitting at a

1895
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 2: table and it was after a long Dave shooting. Doctor

1896
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: Powell was there, We had another neuroscientist there, I think

1897
01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:18,920
Speaker 2: Katie was there. Houston was there, and I remember I

1898
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 2: don't remember exactly what the thought was, but it was

1899
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 2: enough that was like an embarrassing, silly thing. And all

1900
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 2: of a sudden, the second I thought it, Houston like

1901
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: laughed and like spit out his beer practically, and I'm like,

1902
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, he heard my thought. And that was

1903
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 2: where I was like, wow, okay, like because when we

1904
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,760
Speaker 2: were doing the selepathy test, it's one thing. But when

1905
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: you experience it over like a beer and you realize

1906
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 2: someone heard your thought and like laughed, that was and

1907
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I gotta like clean it out again

1908
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 2: and clear it out.

1909
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: Gosh, guy, is there anything that I didn't ask you

1910
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 1: that you really wanted to share or someone that's on

1911
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:49,640
Speaker 1: your ow mind that you didn't get to speak on

1912
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 1: that you would like to share.

1913
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 2: The final episode of the Selepathy Tapes, I gave the

1914
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,479
Speaker 2: floor to speakers from all over the world, and I

1915
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 2: think the best lessons aren't there, And like one thing

1916
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 2: that I think about all time, as one of the

1917
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,799
Speaker 2: non speakers said that kindness is the best way to evolve,

1918
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 2: and so I just want people to think about that.

1919
01:27:08,120 --> 01:27:10,000
Speaker 2: And when people are very afraid about you know, one

1920
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 2: thing you didn't ask about was like the fear about

1921
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 2: reading thoughts. And I had to think about that a

1922
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 2: lot over the past few years, that why does that

1923
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 2: so scary to people? And I think it's scary because

1924
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,080
Speaker 2: people don't maybe like the thoughts in their head, or

1925
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 2: it's too you know, they'd feel too exposed. But if

1926
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 2: we are capable of this, and we're being called maybe

1927
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 2: to like get to a place where this is a

1928
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 2: communication we're all capable of, then we're first called to

1929
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 2: like clean our own thoughts a little bit. And that's

1930
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 2: easy to control. How you think about people, how you

1931
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:38,680
Speaker 2: think about yourself, how you think about the world around you,

1932
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:41,799
Speaker 2: the choices you're making, and if you are conscious about

1933
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: those thoughts all the time and making them pure and loving,

1934
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 2: it's not scary if someone's reading them, you know. So

1935
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 2: I think that, like I love that that kindness is

1936
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Speaker 2: the best way to evolve, because some nonspeakers are saying, hey,

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Speaker 2: we are all capable of this, this is where we're

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Speaker 2: going to go. We all have to do that hard

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Speaker 2: work of like becoming more loving kind individuals.

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Speaker 1: First, do you think it's possible that we will become

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Speaker 1: capable of have the opportunity to become capable to communicate

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Speaker 1: that way.

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Speaker 2: Many non speakers I've met have said that we are

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Speaker 2: capable of that, and again I trust their insights more

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Speaker 2: than I trust my own. I do think we're all

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Speaker 2: capable of it. I've seen it turned on in teachers.

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Speaker 2: I think it's all possible, and I think for those

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Speaker 2: it's scary to take a look inside. Let that be

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Speaker 2: a mirror, you know, And it's a beautiful thing because

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Speaker 2: one non speaker and then I know it will end.

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Speaker 2: But like one non speaker once said that, look, if

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Speaker 2: you say the word Thanksgiving, you've said the word Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: But if I telepathically send it, you're given the football

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Speaker 2: game on and your uncle pulling up and sleeping your

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Speaker 2: childhood bed, and the smells and like your favorite candy

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Speaker 2: and seeing this person and the smell of your mom's

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Speaker 2: hair and like all the whole thing, And it's an

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Speaker 2: experience that is so immensely beautiful and there's no sarcasm,

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Speaker 2: and there's no withholding, and there's no exaggerating. It's all

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Speaker 2: just the pure And to me, it's like, Wow, what

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Speaker 2: would happen if we were all living that way? So

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Speaker 2: if we do get to a space where more of

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Speaker 2: us are telepathically communicating. I think it's gonna be good

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Speaker 2: for humanity, not bad.

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Speaker 1: If you knew what someone was thinking, how would you

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Speaker 1: speak differently too, I think that's the other side. One

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Speaker 1: side is being able to read and maybe someone cleaning

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Speaker 1: their thoughts. But if I could see what you were thinking,

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Speaker 1: how would I speak to you differently? Ho would I

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Speaker 1: look at you differently? How would I connect with you differently?

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Speaker 1: It would transform hopefully how we'd take care of each

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Speaker 1: other as well.

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Speaker 3: It does totally.

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Speaker 2: And I've learned that just being around on speaker is

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Speaker 2: making sure Like in my thoughts it's like, okay, like

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Speaker 2: they're being read, so just make sure they're and then

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Speaker 2: so the whole day you're empty. Actually it's like you're

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Speaker 2: meditating in a way, like my keep my thoughts really empty.

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Speaker 2: And I actually find even like directing it's with them

1980
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Speaker 2: is easier to do that. Like you're just empty out

1981
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Speaker 2: and you feel better at the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: You feel great at the end of the day. You're

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Speaker 2: living in the moment because most of our thoughts are

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Speaker 2: what just happened or what's in the future, And when

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Speaker 2: you're just empty, You're like totally present, and so that's

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Speaker 2: the GFT where I'm always like being with non speakers,

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Speaker 2: aware that of my thoughts and just trying to have none.

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Speaker 1: That's beautiful, the beautiful way to beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, that's beautiful. Kay.

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Speaker 1: It has been so fascinating talking to you. Honestly, I

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Speaker 1: think the work that you're doing is so inspiring, and truly,

1991
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Speaker 1: there's been very little that I think we've had to

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Speaker 1: be curious about for a long time when it comes

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Speaker 1: to this space, and I really feel like you've brought

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Speaker 1: something to the Ford that we can all be spiritually

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Speaker 1: curious about. And the questions that you're asking is so

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Speaker 1: intriguing to me. Then, questions that I believe we all

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Speaker 1: should be looking for the answers. I think for a

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Speaker 1: long time we've thought about physical questions like how do

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Speaker 1: we make the body stronger? And how do we sleep better?

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Speaker 1: And how do and those are really important questions. I

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Speaker 1: stand by that we do that a lot on this show.

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Speaker 1: But similarly, I think we're all asking questions of like

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Speaker 1: why do we exist? And why am I here? And

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Speaker 1: you know, do I really understand the abilities that I have?

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Speaker 1: And especially for those that have been seen as like

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Speaker 1: you said, that they're not in there to realize that

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Speaker 1: there is a purpose, there is a value, there is

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Speaker 1: a gift. There is of course there is already but inherently,

2009
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Speaker 1: but there's so much more that we don't know. And

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Speaker 1: so I'm so grateful for your time and energy, not

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Speaker 1: just today, but for the last three and a half

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Speaker 1: years of you dedicated your life to this purpose and

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Speaker 1: for sharing it with me so openly and graciously with

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Speaker 1: me and my audience. And I'm sure everyone if they're

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Speaker 1: not already listening to the Telepathy tapes, which I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they are, we'll go back and listen, or we'll listen

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Speaker 1: for the first time and help pass it on. How

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Speaker 1: much can people support or connect if they want to

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Speaker 1: be a part of this work with you and encourage you,

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Speaker 1: or even want to write to you. How can they

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Speaker 1: get in touch or how can they follow along?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we are on all the social media

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Speaker 2: at the telep ofy tapes. I would encourage people, though,

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Speaker 2: I mean my biggest ask is please, like, just presume

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Speaker 2: competence if you see a nonspeaker, if you meet a

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Speaker 2: non speaker, if you work with non speakers, they are

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Speaker 2: in there, their human beings help them get on boards,

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Speaker 2: learn to spell, and if you are interested in getting

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Speaker 2: engaged with no speakers, you could become a spelling to

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Speaker 2: communicate partner by going to s to see or spelling

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Speaker 2: to communicate or spellers method like just go look into

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Speaker 2: this because we need more spellers. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 2: biggest ask. Is just that everyone starts assisting them and

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Speaker 2: meeting them and presuming competence.

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Speaker 3: That's everything to me.

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Speaker 1: I hope we can stay in tied so that I

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Speaker 1: can ask you more questions here, updates, and continue this

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Speaker 1: conversation offline as well. I feel like there's so many

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Speaker 1: great spiritual conversations to be had and shared and I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to see where this works goes. So here

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Speaker 1: as a supporter and cheerleader and look forward to learning

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Speaker 1: lots more.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. If this is the year that

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Speaker 1: you're trying to get creative, you're trying to build more,

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Speaker 1: I need you to listen to this episode with Rick

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Speaker 1: Rubin on how to break into your most creative self,

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Speaker 1: how to use unconventional methods that lead to success, and

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Speaker 1: the seek to genuinely loving what you do. If you're

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Speaker 1: trying to find your passion and your lane, Rick Rubin's

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Speaker 1: episode is the one for you. Just because I like it,

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Speaker 1: That doesn't give it any value, like as an artist,

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Speaker 1: if you like it, that's all of the value. That's

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Speaker 1: the success comes when you say I like this enough

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Speaker 1: for other people to see it.