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Speaker 3: have some breaking news here in the National Football League

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Speaker 3: which pertains to the Dallas Cowboys because twice a year

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Speaker 3: they faced the New York Football Giants. The Giants have

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Speaker 3: now well, they're finalizing a five year contract with John

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Speaker 3: Harbaugh to become their next head coach. Five years reported

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Speaker 3: one hundred millillion dollars, I dare say. While Steve Bushatti

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Speaker 3: was joking at his press conference and somebody said, if

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Speaker 3: he beat the Steelers, how long have you been your

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Speaker 3: head coach? He said another week. I think John Harbaugh

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Speaker 3: is winning right now, one hundred million dollars sure by Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: Here's a question I have for both of you, gentlemen.

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Speaker 3: What does John Harball bring you? And I sent say

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Speaker 3: that in the standpoint of look at Bill Parcells. When

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Speaker 3: Bill Parcells came here. Bill Parcells brought a blueprint for

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Speaker 3: Jerry Jones to say, this is what I think we

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Speaker 3: needed football players, this is what I think we need

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Speaker 3: when scouting, and they went down that road. He brought

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Speaker 3: a blueprint and the Cowboys were a changed organization when

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Speaker 3: he left. And just look at the fact of how

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Speaker 3: many coaches that he had on those staffs, just for instance,

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton alone. You know, Tony Sparana was here, ended

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Speaker 3: up winning a division. Todd Hayley was here in the

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Speaker 3: winning a division with the Kansaity Chiefs, and they had

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Speaker 3: some good football coach here. Anthony Lynn became a head coach.

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Speaker 3: Todd Bowles became a head coach, and this is what

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Speaker 3: he did. You know, Todd Bowles is taking the Bucks

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Speaker 3: to the playoffs. So what do you bring Sean Payton?

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Speaker 3: What has he brought Denver? We saw, you know, leadership offense.

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Speaker 3: Sean McVay. Here's a guy that you know, if you

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Speaker 3: hire Sean McVay, you're going to get offense. When you

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Speaker 3: hired a Mike Shanahan, you knew what you were getting.

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Speaker 3: If you're hiring John Harball, tell me what does he

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Speaker 3: bring well for me? You know?

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Speaker 4: It's it's it's kind of strange because like, out of

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Speaker 4: all those coaches usual his name, they had a I

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Speaker 4: guess you could say a particular position that they all set. Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 4: a skill set we know is a former special teams coach,

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Speaker 4: you know. And so that being said, you know that

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Speaker 4: being one of the three parts of the game especially,

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Speaker 4: and you can't diminish what special teams can actually do

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Speaker 4: for a football game, football team, I'm sorry. But at

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Speaker 4: the same time, like, what what do you actually get

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Speaker 4: from a Harball? With that being said, He's not going

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Speaker 4: to be your quarterback whisper, He's not going to help

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Speaker 4: your dbs. He's not going to be that position coach

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Speaker 4: or that that coordinator, so to say, so with him,

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Speaker 4: I think that what you're getting if I could just

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Speaker 4: go off of you know just how I'm feeling about it, Like,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna get a guy who, basically, being a special

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Speaker 3: Everybody on the team.

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Speaker 4: He's going to have a relationship that that guy normally

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Speaker 4: Now coming into it structurally, what you hope it's organizational

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Speaker 4: skills in his leadership outweighs the simple fact that he's

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Speaker 4: not a coordinator or a position coach.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, here's what's ironic. How do you

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Speaker 3: that's the last play he lost his job on. Was

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Speaker 3: it a Miskick? Specialty? About this? What does John Harbaugh bring?

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Speaker 2: He brings one.

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Speaker 5: He brings you a winning pedigree, like he's been in

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Speaker 5: the organization, he's won Super Bowl, like he's been there

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Speaker 5: to the highest of highest and for him, yes, he

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Speaker 5: is a special teams coordinator, But like you said, that

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Speaker 5: special team coordinator deals with everybody on the field, like

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Speaker 5: except your quarterbacks, which even then you still deal with

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Speaker 5: them when they're placeholding. So you get to know these

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Speaker 5: then on top of that, most importantly, he's been around

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Speaker 5: Giants historically have had good guys. They haven't had nobody

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Speaker 5: good like that or that brought that winning pedigree since

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Speaker 2: Yes, sometimes you know.

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Speaker 5: He did lose on a special team play, but it's

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Speaker 5: just like new faces, new starts and starting somewhere else,

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Speaker 5: and for an organization that hasn't been doing good right now,

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Speaker 5: it's like, hey, they typically let their coaches do what

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Speaker 5: they need to do, and for him to be that

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Speaker 3: All right, boom. So now let me push this forward.

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Speaker 3: Some people out there may say, hey, it's a retrade.

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about John Harbaugh? Now here's the

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Speaker 3: second chance coming with the New York Giants and the Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: gotta face him twice a year.

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Speaker 5: Rephrase that question, Uh, all right, so this is Hardball's

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Speaker 3: Yes, some people will talk about, Hey, guys, a retricked.

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Speaker 3: It's just what you should be doing. Some people have

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Speaker 3: I'm want to get your opinion.

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Speaker 5: It's certain guys that you just can't let go, if

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Speaker 5: that makes sense. Like when you see a guy like

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Speaker 5: And for organizations, especially historically like the Giants, the Mayor's

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Speaker 2: He at and what did he do and did he win?

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Speaker 5: And for organization that hasn't won since what twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 5: I think that was. So you know, that brings the relevance,

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Speaker 5: that brings the credibility that was coming in there and

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Speaker 5: need to get back on track definitely.

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Speaker 4: I mean you look at it like like this Harbaugh

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Speaker 4: always bad coaches that we talk about getting recycled. You

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Speaker 4: we keep talking about the coaches that once like let's

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Speaker 3: It never was like was never.

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Speaker 4: Really good at at at anything yet, but he still

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Speaker 4: a guy like Harbor who definitely his pedigree speaks for herself,

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Speaker 4: like Tomlin, you can't let those guys sit on the street.

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Speaker 3: They're proven factors. So here's the other thing. And I

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Speaker 3: just throw this out here, Chris Bean, tell me if

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Speaker 3: I'm wrong at all. I don't know if we've seen

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Speaker 3: So the two guys I think of who won a

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Speaker 3: want it here, Like okay, coach wins it for this organization,

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Speaker 3: then his next organization wins it. Got you. So Parcels

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Speaker 3: But it's hard. And that's basically one company.

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Speaker 6: It's Jimmy going to Miami. I mean he didn't win

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Speaker 3: Then yeah, they didn't go to me. He ain't make

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Speaker 3: So we've seen that before. We saw with Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: yet to see it. It's hard. That's just basically what

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to for you. It's just hard to win.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to get their period.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to get there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but period.

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Speaker 5: I know some guys that work in the Ravens organization

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Speaker 5: and I've been a journeyman. There's a couple of times

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Speaker 2: And so when I think of this, I think about

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Speaker 5: He had success in the Jaguars, and then the success

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Speaker 2: There winning the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: Now, granted he had to learn some things and fix

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Speaker 5: think of them saying, hey, we want everything that y'all

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Speaker 2: How y'all take care of players and developed them.

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Speaker 4: right But in this position, to the Cowboys here right now,

434
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Speaker 4: they need a proven commodity to come in here on

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Speaker 4: his defense and turn things around fast.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the definition of his center is keep doing

437
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Speaker 5: the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

438
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Speaker 5: They've been bringing the improven commodity. Ebra Flues was a

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Speaker 5: proven commodity before he came. I'll stop it like just

440
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Speaker 5: because you went on your tangent. I'll let you talk

441
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Speaker 5: like I said. Ebra Flues has had multiple top ten

442
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Speaker 5: finishes are right there around there. He was a proven

443
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Speaker 5: commodity before he was here. It was reason why that

444
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Speaker 5: he went from DC and excelled in the rankers the

445
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Speaker 5: way that he did. But to sit here and have

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Speaker 5: a knock on a young quarterback, I can't say that.

447
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Speaker 2: A guy that you just spoke so highly about. Dion.

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Speaker 5: He's learned around all these greats and did all this thing.

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Speaker 5: Leonard is coming from under that tree. He's at Wisconsin

450
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Speaker 5: right there. On top of that, he's up under Vance

451
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Speaker 5: Joseph right now. When you say what did he do

452
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Speaker 5: at Denver? Patrick Sirtam was hurt when he played us right,

453
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Speaker 5: did that when he wasn't playing the best defensive player

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Speaker 5: they had, and they secondary was still looking like no

455
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Speaker 5: flies on that old Denver Broncos defense.

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Speaker 2: It's like, that's that young guy.

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Speaker 5: So it's like, give you some fresh blood and for

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Speaker 5: him to have the pedigree that he had and to

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Speaker 5: have the secondary that you have had here, I would

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Speaker 5: I would like to bring him in. You think about

461
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Speaker 5: you think about the guy that just left here. I'm sorry,

462
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Speaker 5: what is his name's I'm not talking about him anyway

463
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Speaker 5: you see in your feelings. But the guy that's over

464
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Speaker 5: there in Chicago right now, he left here and he

465
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Speaker 5: was a player, Al Harris. He was a player's coach,

466
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Speaker 5: and he was young and he galvanized those troops.

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Speaker 2: And look at what he did when he left with Chicago.

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Speaker 5: I think of football, But I know he's not on

469
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Speaker 5: the list, but I'm saying to have that connection with them.

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Speaker 5: This guy has that type of connection with those guys

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Speaker 5: over there in.

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Speaker 3: Denver, Al Harris.

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Speaker 4: Al Harris was a different type of player as well,

474
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Speaker 4: not taking that the way from Jim Leonard. Jim played

475
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Speaker 4: the position, but I'll played the position totally different.

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Speaker 2: I mean played the position, but we're talking about coaching.

477
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're talking about coaching and the fact that he

478
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Speaker 5: comes from such a great tree and lineage, like the

479
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Speaker 5: guy that you said was the best guy. It's the

480
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Speaker 5: next best thing learned up under him. And then on

481
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Speaker 5: top of that is Vance Joseph not a good defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 3: Vince Joseph. It clearly is getting head coaching opportunities, right,

483
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Speaker 3: they're talking to him. But I'm coming back into the

484
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Speaker 3: same thing I said, Okay, you're talking about Jim Leonard's

485
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Speaker 3: off the tree. You go get the guy who's already

486
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Speaker 3: coached alongside Schottenheimer USC and with the Jets, who knows

487
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Speaker 3: and he's a proven guy in the league, a former cowboy.

488
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Speaker 3: So I brought up this and they want to say, well,

489
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Speaker 3: give me that, And I'm like, here's a dude with

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Speaker 3: all the skins in the world, with Hall of famers

491
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Speaker 3: who will all say yes, yes, yes. So once again

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Speaker 3: my thing, I always wonder, why do we sit around

493
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Speaker 3: here and choose to build up some people and other

494
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Speaker 3: people who got straight up resume huh. For instance, the

495
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 3: head coach Chicago never got a job interview here. Anybody

496
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Speaker 3: want tell me why you didn't even talk to him.

497
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 3: He was with Detroit. You saw this guy play against

498
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Speaker 3: you and put up numbers and you didn't even talk

499
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Speaker 3: to him. That's my thing. I asked Jerry Jones, and

500
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Speaker 3: this is nothing against shot, but it was just a

501
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 3: legitimate question when he hired it. Jerry, what do you

502
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 3: know that nobody else in this league does? Because for

503
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Speaker 3: three years, you're the only person in the league who

504
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Speaker 3: interviewed Brian schottenheimers a head coach. So, Jim Leonard, how

505
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Speaker 3: many other job interviews has he got?

506
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Speaker 2: Right now.

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Speaker 3: Where people are trying to say this is the guy.

508
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Speaker 3: I'm pushing back because for thirty years we haven't seen

509
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Speaker 3: any winning that matters at a significant level, but I

510
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: have seen the hype train for a whole lot of people. Man, Oh,

511
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Speaker 3: Jason Garrett, Okay, you got Jason. Think about this now.

512
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Speaker 3: People forget Jerry hired Jason Garrett to be his offensive coordinator,

513
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 3: he didn't have a head coach, and Jason called exactly

514
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Speaker 3: zero plays in the National Football League. Okay, got there.

515
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Speaker 3: Parcels left the great team. They ended up being a

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Speaker 3: number one seed under Wade Phillips. Blew that Baltimore offered

517
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Speaker 3: him the head coaching job. After one year, Atlanta offered

518
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Speaker 3: him a job. He didn't take it. He stayed here.

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Speaker 3: Jerry gave him a whole bunch of money. He was

520
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Speaker 3: waiting around. People were basically waiting on Wade Phillips to

521
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Speaker 3: die or get fired, and so finally he takes over.

522
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Speaker 3: Oh we got Jason Garrett. Now we're good. Eight and eight,

523
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Speaker 3: second year eight and eight, third year eight and eight.

524
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Speaker 4: But he had never called any plays right, and I'm

525
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Speaker 4: just and he was supposed to be the next dude.

526
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Speaker 3: Everybody was talking about him, right. Everybody said, Ebra Flu's

527
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Speaker 3: coming back was good. Oh, he knows what to do.

528
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Speaker 3: He's really good. He's done this in the league. He said,

529
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Speaker 3: what do we see.

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Speaker 2: So so?

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Speaker 3: So I'm not eating you up here? Oh no, I mean,

532
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Speaker 3: my guy, I'm just merely saying we have I have watched,

533
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Speaker 3: in twenty seven years of cowboy football of a whole

534
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Speaker 3: lot of hype trains come around here. I'm now very

535
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Speaker 3: wary of hype trains, and I'm seeing a jim lettered

536
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 3: hype train. I'm like, whoa comosapi m snow down? And

537
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Speaker 3: my thing is, look one, let's get let's get this straight.

538
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Speaker 3: I believe in everything I say because I see y'all

539
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Speaker 3: in these comments. I'm just playing Devil's advocate, and I'm

540
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Speaker 3: just saying that it's not so astinine when you think

541
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Speaker 3: about it, and you say, hey, and we also have

542
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: to think about who are the cowboys or who are

543
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 3: they hired structurally around the organizations. Have it been the

544
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Speaker 3: guys that have been voice stous and loud coaches and

545
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Speaker 3: stuff like that, or has it been the guys that

546
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Speaker 3: are kind of, hey, we're the silent assassins. You know,

547
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 3: you can kind of tell us things and whatever you

548
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Speaker 3: want to call it, Like I'd like zach Orr. If

549
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Speaker 3: we're being completely honest, I think zach Orr is my pick.

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Speaker 3: It's just that will he be able to coach the

551
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Speaker 3: way that he needs to coach and a lot of

552
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Speaker 3: those things coming and play when you have guys like this,

553
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Speaker 3: and so maybe Jim Leonard is one of those.

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Speaker 2: I mean Leonard is one of those guys.

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, tell me what you like about Zach or

556
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: Raven's defensive coordinator now, I mean, clearly he may not

557
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: be their defensive coordinators. They fired a head coach on Harball.

558
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: Maybe Harball takes him to the Giants. We don't know

559
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: yet what do you like about Zach?

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Speaker 5: So what I like about Zach Moore most importantly is

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Speaker 5: what you always harp on and we talk about. You're

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Speaker 5: a former player, that guy was at the peak of

563
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Speaker 5: his career. For ray Lewis to hand you the keys

564
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565
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Speaker 5: the ship that as.

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Speaker 2: A player is great and phenomenal.

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Speaker 5: Then on top of that, we talked about Jim John

568
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Speaker 5: Harball and his coaching ability and having that tree and

569
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Speaker 5: having that success. You've gotten to learn from guys under him.

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Speaker 5: You've gotten to learn to where now, not only did

571
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Speaker 5: you play in that organization, they held you in such

572
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Speaker 5: high regards, and we're talking about an organization that has

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Speaker 5: a plant through a Hall of famers, they said, we

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Speaker 5: got to keep you here.

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Speaker 2: Somehow we kept you on staff.

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Speaker 5: You went to linebacker coach to d defensive coordinator, and

577
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Speaker 5: you're still young enough. You're gonna relate to these players.

578
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Speaker 5: You have to win over the locker room. That's a

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Speaker 5: lot of the things that we've seen that was going

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Speaker 5: that's the fresh blood. If you're gonna give somebody a

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna call you the bad news reporter. Why did

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Speaker 5: you have to do that?

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Speaker 2: There? He didn't even know.

653
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Speaker 3: This because I'm so used to you're right my shoulder.

654
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Speaker 3: But see now, look at what we're done.

655
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Speaker 13: You go there.

656
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Speaker 2: We should have did that at the beginning of the show.

657
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Speaker 3: I appreciate CB. Think about it, man, how many people

658
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: get to a podcast with their dad. Man, that's you know,

659
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Speaker 3: that's special right there. Rogerster Ball hand the ball off you.

660
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Speaker 3: That's that's that's an image I want to keep anybody

661
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Speaker 3: Chris got so Anthony Dors said Georgie' hit. Anthony played

662
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: Italy for the Titans and the Raiders. I'm newon Scruggs.

663
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Speaker 3: I did none of those things. So they're trying to

664
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Speaker 3: find defensive coordinator. And we spoke about Jim Leonard, zach

665
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Speaker 3: Or a couple of names that have been mentioned here.

666
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Speaker 3: You've got former I shouldn't say former current Cowboys defensive

667
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Speaker 3: line coach Aaron Whitecotton interviewed for the job. Got Cleveland's

668
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: brown safety coach a from Banda. He was interviewed for

669
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Speaker 3: the job. Dante Jones, who's the Vikings pass game, and

670
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: coordinator interviewed for the job. We've also got Charlie Bullen

671
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Speaker 3: who was the interim guy with the with the Giants

672
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Speaker 3: on defense, and he had Christian Parker who was working

673
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Speaker 3: with the Eagles here second hear coach with Eagles. So

674
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Speaker 3: we've got several names out here. Do you have a

675
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Speaker 3: names so in your mind, Anthony Dorsett.

676
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: I think about DC's I had, are guys that I

677
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: played with, a guy on the coaching staff, and some

678
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: of those names to come up, all right, Jim Schwartz

679
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 4: is winning the guys. Everybody was talking about Swartz for

680
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 4: a while. Me personally, is the name that I haven't

681
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 4: heard and I don't know if I could say it,

682
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Speaker 4: but it's a dude that I played for. Former ut

683
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Speaker 4: dB coach. dB is all over the league.

684
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Speaker 3: Jerry Gray Jared Gray good by the way, Jim Schwartz

685
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 3: is a Super Bowl winning coordinator. But yes, super Bowl

686
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Speaker 3: winning coordinator.

687
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Speaker 2: All right now.

688
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 4: Jag when he comes into talking about teaching defense and

689
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Speaker 4: teaching and teaching actually teaching all right at the same time,

690
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 4: and being able to work with the secondary. Being an

691
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: all pro at corner and safety in the league.

692
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Speaker 2: Very few people who have.

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Speaker 4: Done that first of all, correct, all right, So to

694
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Speaker 4: be able to have somebody, one man, to be able

695
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 4: to come in put the defense in, of course, and

696
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: be able to work with the entire secondary unit is

697
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 4: a lot in itself. But of course, you know, like

698
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 4: the popular names that are out there too as well,

699
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 4: the guys like Flores, who of course is going to

700
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Speaker 4: be more so for a head coaching been the coordinator.

701
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Speaker 3: Brian Flores is not a guy that that they've has

702
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Speaker 3: to talk to, right and so, and it goes back

703
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Speaker 3: to why it goes back to something you said earlier,

704
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Speaker 3: something that he hit on. You know what I'm saying.

705
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Speaker 4: It's it's like this right here, like shoddy being shoddy

706
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 4: can't bring in the name or or or a a

707
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,479
Speaker 4: person with a bigger aura than your coach or same

708
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 4: size as your coach or something like that. So as

709
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: you structurally go out here and you look at guys

710
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: like Dennis Thurman, old school football player, tell you like

711
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: it is, tell you how it is and how it's

712
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Speaker 4: going to be.

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Speaker 3: You know, you don't see that.

714
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Speaker 4: I personally don't see that as Shoty's get down. More

715
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,839
Speaker 4: so than anything, Shoty seems like he's more of a

716
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,839
Speaker 4: laid back type of dude, likes to galvanize the guys,

717
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: as you say, and everything else like that. But it

718
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 4: seems like to me when when I look at DT

719
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Speaker 4: and I look at some of those guys that you

720
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Speaker 4: talk about, did he's coach too as well, those type

721
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Speaker 4: of personalities. You got some strong characters in that group,

722
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Speaker 4: and I'm sure DT is that strong character individual two

723
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Speaker 4: as well.

724
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Speaker 3: So when you look at.

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Speaker 4: It and how you mentioned earlier, like a Jim Leonard

726
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 4: is more of that guy who's not that voice, streous

727
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 4: and everything else like that, that kind of fits the

728
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 4: mode of what has been through here.

729
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Speaker 3: I mean, that's why we're hearing those types of names.

730
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Speaker 4: But when we talk about it, yeah, I'm thinking about

731
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Speaker 4: guys like, you know, like Schwartz. Of course he's a

732
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 4: hard nosed dude too as well, Pittsburgh area also, you know.

733
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Speaker 4: So look, I'm looking at guys that it could come

734
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Speaker 4: in here and make an impact immediately, because it's something

735
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Speaker 4: that needs to be done. You got the number one,

736
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Speaker 4: you got one of the top offenses in the league.

737
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Speaker 4: You can't keep playing around with the defense hoping that

738
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Speaker 4: the offense stays up here till you get it right,

739
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Speaker 4: this thing got to come and it got to come

740
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Speaker 4: up quick on the defensive side of the ball.

741
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna push back on it just a little bit.

742
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Speaker 5: I don't and we don't know who it is. We

743
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,280
Speaker 5: don't know if it's Shoddy, we don't know if it's

744
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 5: the GM, the owner or any of the people are

745
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 5: the powers that be. There's three different phases when it

746
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 5: comes through there. The only thing that I'm saying, three

747
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 5: different phases when you're talking about hiring and who's going

748
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 5: to be bringing in here for certain people and certain

749
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 5: things with certain with certain organizations, it's not always the

750
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Speaker 5: head coach get their guy to It's not always the GM.

751
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 5: The GM might say, hey, this is the guy that

752
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 5: we favor, like we're going to hire you, but coming

753
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 5: in we want you. This is somebody we really like.

754
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 5: So what I'm going to say, though, is GM here

755
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 5: don't matter because he.

756
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Speaker 2: Is the owner. So technically, so technically it's only two phases.

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Speaker 5: Well, you got here, but you mentioned Shoty and you

758
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 5: said Shody maybe not being able to handle having a

759
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Speaker 5: big name or big ore around him.

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Speaker 2: Shoddy is one.

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Speaker 5: Of those guys that he thrives off of having the

762
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Speaker 5: energetic coaches, the guys that have their personality that can

763
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Speaker 5: win the rooms over. He come from the peak Carroll Tree,

764
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Speaker 5: where he learned from guys doing those things. So I

765
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Speaker 5: don't think he would have a problem with Dennis or

766
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Speaker 5: a former player being that guy coming in. I think

767
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Speaker 5: honestly he would welcome it with open arms. Me person

768
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Speaker 5: in my opinion of knowing Shoddy playing up under him

769
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Speaker 5: and then sitting there knowing the players that I've reached

770
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Speaker 5: out to, talking about him before he actually got hired,

771
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Speaker 5: and seeing what he's done this year too.

772
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Speaker 2: He hasn't been.

773
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Speaker 5: Quiet like everybody when we go get breakfast and lunch,

774
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 5: Like all those guys are a lot of the guys

775
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 5: that I play for with in Seattle, and all those

776
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 5: guys have their own personality to where they show it off,

777
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 5: and like they he lets them do them, if that

778
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 5: makes sense. And so I don't think when you talk

779
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 5: about former players and stuff like that, I think that's

780
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 5: going to be something that's really high up on his list.

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Speaker 4: By the way, let me just but it ain't done

782
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 4: right now.

783
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: We just throw this out here from Todd Archer, I

784
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 3: said the Cowboys and schedule talking with Eagles pass game

785
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: coordinator Christian Parker and Giants interim DC Charlie Bullen today

786
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: and the Packers run game coordinat defensive line coach DeMarcus

787
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 3: Comington on Friday. So just just more more kind of

788
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 3: just what else is coming on that list here?

789
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Speaker 4: But like what you just said, you just said all

790
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 4: that to say exactly what we talking about, Like he

791
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 4: ain't bringing those type of dudes. He ain't bringing It's

792
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: not the proving guys. It's more so like that the

793
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 4: opportunity guys.

794
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Speaker 5: And and maybe like I said, he's he's a he's

795
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 5: an opportunity guy.

796
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: He's somebody that they gave a shot to.

797
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 5: But I'm speaking for this organization and knowing them how

798
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 5: they operate, Like the one thing that's been consistent. It

799
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 5: ain't always just hey, I bring in my guys, I

800
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 5: bring in my staff, Like the ownership has some say

801
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 5: into it.

802
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: They what do you?

803
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying, you can't.

804
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 5: Then we need to stop saying, hey is this guy

805
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 5: going to match well with shoty, and say hey is

806
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 5: this guy going to mass well with the ownership?

807
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 2: Like can you coach over here? And everybody can't.

808
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 5: Somebody is a good coach over here because maybe they

809
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 5: let them do the full rank. Somebody is a better

810
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 5: coach over here with having somebody over them who knows.

811
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 2: Like it's different structural, different folks.

812
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Speaker 3: All right, So you with Zach Orr is your favorite

813
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator pick?

814
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: Right now?

815
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 3: What about you? Ad hearing the names and what you've heard,

816
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: So those names.

817
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 4: Are out of those names that you just listened to me? Yeah,

818
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 4: I don't have a favorite out of any of those, gotcha?

819
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: Gotcha? I would, I would say, looking at this list here,

820
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 3: not knowing a lot about some of these other guys. Okay,

821
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 3: that's that's part of it too. Yeah, I don't you know.

822
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't know what band. I don't know about bands

823
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 3: and bullying and Jones, I don't know enough. But just

824
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: judging by what they've done in the past, it seems

825
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: to me that Jonathan Gannon would be the favorite of

826
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Speaker 3: who they would pick. Former defensive coordinator who's been to

827
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl, was with the philip Eagles, was out

828
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: in Arizona. Things didn't go well there. We can definitely

829
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: look at the quarterback situation Arizona is one reason why

830
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 3: things didn't go well there. But we know this whenever

831
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 3: he had to face the face these Cowboys. He gave

832
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: that work. Good quarterback back quarterback backups all day long.

833
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: So it's I would not be but like, I wouldn't

834
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: be surprised if next week we're talking about Jonathan Ganner

835
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 3: being the Cowboys defensive coordinator. That don't they like the

836
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: higher former head coaches anyway? In coordinator positions four I

837
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: think for the four of the nine guys have been

838
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Speaker 3: former former head coaches. Sont Yeah, man, that's what so

839
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: they've done it. I mean you look at eber Flus,

840
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 3: Mike Zimmer, you have Mike Nolan in here, you had DQ,

841
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 3: so they've kind of gone that route before here, Rod

842
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: Mayor and Nellie. So that's that's been a lot of

843
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: what they've done here. We got games this weekend. Chris

844
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: ban Chris would have staying is that baby?

845
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 4: Come on?

846
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: What's what's up with them? Standing as Chris bean boy?

847
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 6: You know what the standing suck this tall door set?

848
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 6: Talk about eighty three and sixty one. What's new?

849
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Speaker 13: He's in second seventy nine and sixty five Church went

850
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Speaker 13: the third churches in third seventy Church had a three

851
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Speaker 13: and five.

852
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 6: Week He's had some mad two weeks. My last one

853
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 6: is Demontree.

854
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 13: Now, Demntre, you've made a hell of a comeback, bro

855
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 13: seventy five and sixty nine. Okay, you're only you're only

856
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 13: three games back from from third place. He's fourth, he's

857
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 13: four games back from Newie. If you do the calculations,

858
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 13: I'm gonna add the national championship in here too.

859
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 6: Got about eight games left. You gotta pick up a

860
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 6: couple of games.

861
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 13: Okay, you hurt that right, all right in saying that, Anthony,

862
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 13: You're going first in the league.

863
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Speaker 6: On every one of these picks, big doll, first pick.

864
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Speaker 6: I got Buffalo at Denver.

865
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 3: Oh Man, Buffalo is where we're stretched on time.

866
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Speaker 6: Just give me the winner. You don't have to give

867
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 6: me the score.

868
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 4: Okay, Buffalo at Denver. Give me Denver at home?

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00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 5: Uh, the said scool, Yeah, I got I got Denver.

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00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: I got got it. My hut.

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00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: I don't trust bow Knicks man, I just don't do it.

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00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 3: I don't do it. I just think that Josh Allen's

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00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 3: gonna win. But I'm just gonna say Denver, trust all Man.

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00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 3: What's next, Chris?

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00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 13: My next game is San Francisco at Seattle, Anthony.

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Speaker 3: Eure up first.

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00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 4: So you ever San Francisco at Seattle.

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00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the rubber match they split during the season.

879
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 2: Well, the scores in those games.

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00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 4: Set with one game, I mean two games to get there.

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00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: Uh give me Seattle, all right, he's taking Seattle.

882
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 3: What you got, Trey new You're up next. I got Seattle.

883
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: Mh you're gonna go get your boys. Man. I played

884
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: for both of them.

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00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 5: I went to the I want, I want, hey watch out,

886
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 5: don't do that. See be stopped sniping from back there.

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00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 5: Uh no, we lost, we lost. We lost the case,

888
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 5: but played twice with Seattle. That defense in Seattle is nice, man,

889
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 5: But Colin Robert solid have just been finding the way

890
00:42:59,680 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 5: to win.

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00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 2: But oh, George Kittle is out. I'm gonna go. I'm

892
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: gonna go.

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00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 5: It's gonna hurt me. I'm gonna go. What they what

894
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 5: they say? Cock of Seattle go ahead for the win.

895
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 5: That was a tough one. I forgot about George being out.

896
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: They got some injury.

897
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: All right.

898
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 6: Next game we got Houston at New England. Anthonyra Man,

899
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Speaker 6: I'm Robie Houston.

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00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 3: New England.

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00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait, Houston at New England.

902
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, don't say yes.

903
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 2: Like that. Yeah, phone, use your mic or phone talk

904
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 2: over there to the mic. Oh, it's on me. Uh.

905
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 5: It's gonna suck against my boy, my former coach, Demico

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00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 5: and j j Aggie over there.

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00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna have to go with Drake May. I've

908
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 2: been riding with him all year here with that tar.

909
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 3: He'll go with that. What's next?

910
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 6: Ram at Chicago?

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00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 4: Mm hmm oh, give me into the mic, please, I'm sorry,

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00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 4: give me Rams of Chicago.

913
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 3: Chicago, Bro, we got Chicago. Give me pooka them Rams.

914
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 5: Give me the bad news Bears with the upset Caleb

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00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 5: fourth quarter, Williams.

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00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 13: All right, last game I got for you. We're gonna

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00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 13: talk about the Natty. Okay, Indiana at Miami.

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00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 6: I say at Miami.

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00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 3: Because it's at the the U.

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00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 6: It's in Miami.

921
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: Michael Irving plenty of time on TV this week.

922
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 2: Got the Belt, Got the Belt.

923
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go to Indiana. I hate to go against

924
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 4: my my, my, my ACC team, but.

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00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 6: Got to pick with your brand sometime, Indy.

926
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: It is something about LSU playing in New Orleans for

927
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: a national championship where they don't lose in Miami, playing

928
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: in Miami for a national championship. It's just it is

929
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: made for them to win. It's just the magic of

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00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: the area and everything there.

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00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: So you're going with them Canes.

932
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 3: But Indiana, Indiana's good. I don't see any weaknesses at all.

933
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm going to go with the Hoosiers.

934
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 2: Hmmm. I'm going with that grown man football over there.

935
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 5: They are the oldest team, most experienced for a reason,

936
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 5: he's built them up. I just don't see the Miami

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00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 5: coming out there. I think that defense is really going

938
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 5: to just stout them boys. So yeah, Indian all right.

939
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 4: Hey, Chris, I want to change my change my Chicago

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00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 4: to the Rams.

941
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: I need that. I need that. That's how I come back.

942
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 5: You're still right on Houston, right, yeah, yeah, man, you

943
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 5: want with Houston, didn't you know it?

944
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 3: No Wan, New England, New England.

945
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: That's and that's that's gonna be tough because they playing

946
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 4: in New England.

947
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: They're playing in New England.

948
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: But the defense, all right, god, show, that's the show.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to sit on hipontificates past the hour.

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Speaker 3: Anthony Dorsett, appreciate your trade, more appreciate your Barry Church.

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Speaker 3: Next week, join us. I'm going to inscribe conduct to

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Speaker 3: you later.

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