1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: My name is Matt Our Colleaguel is not here today, 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: but we'll be back soon. They called me Ben and 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: we're joined as always with our super producer Alexis code 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, You 9 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's tree It's strange news. One 11 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: of at least our favorite segments on this show. We 12 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: hope you feel the same way. Matt man Man, were 13 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: you one of the guys who was politely Yeah, it 14 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: was politely responding to happen Ner your messages by saying 15 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: the calendar's cartoonish and arbitrary, but O Felia and I 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: believe in you. I had way too many many conversations 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: about that over the holiday season this year, just accidentally, 18 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: and I didn't even mean to man it, just I 19 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: would blurt it out and just have a conversation about 20 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 1: Julius Caesar in his calendar, and like the days that 21 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: were stolen from all of us, and you know, winter Solstice, 22 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: And it was basically just a bunch of keywords from 23 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: our conversations and I would just blurt them out in 24 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: a salad it people people are into it. Yeah, yeah, 25 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: and you know, with all due respect, and I mean 26 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: that objectively respect up to a certain threshold. Uh, the 27 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: calendar is, as we discovered in some previous explorations, the 28 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: human calendar calendars are some of the earliest technology that 29 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: human beings have created. And I had a lot of 30 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: those similar conversations, Matt, where I would I would be 31 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: talking with people, random people actually, some strangers who had 32 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: listened to our earlier episode you and I did on 33 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: the set the Calendar Heist back in the day in 34 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:26,360 Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. And uh, one of my favorite responses 35 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: was from an old school vet who will call Rosario 36 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, no, it makes sense, but uh, 37 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, you call it what you would. Everybody has 38 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: to agree. We gotta move as a unit. You know, 39 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: the whole world needs to say it's Tuesday when it's Tuesday. 40 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: And I thought, you know, hard to find fault with that. Yeah, 41 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: it's just we've got this weird rolling Tuesday thing that 42 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: happens Tuesday kind of rules around. It's weird. Yeah, and uh, 43 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: there's this interesting problem right of scale. You know, you 44 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: can create a calendar like the Julian calendar, the Gregorian calendar, etcetera, 45 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: and you can obviously note the imperfections of it, but 46 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: those imperfections often are visible on a longer horizon of time, right, 47 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: and in the immediate horizon of time. People just all 48 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: want to be on the same page. And you know, 49 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: one of the things we all want to be on 50 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: the same page about, ben what's that meant? Trusting that 51 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: when a loved one passes away, we know what's happening 52 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: to them. To segue and there we are off to 53 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: the races. Yes, that should be something that most people 54 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: can reasonably assume, right if I and we we talked 55 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: about this in the past with body brokers. We talked 56 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: about this and a couple of other stories about oh gosh, 57 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: that guy in Georgia that we brought up a couple 58 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, this is a fundamental violation of trust. 59 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: What what happens when things go wrong? I think we've 60 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: got maybe an update here, we do. We have an 61 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: unfortunate update about a particular place, a business that was 62 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: operating in a couple of different ways. So let's head 63 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: on out to Montrose, Colorado. I think that's how you 64 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: would say that. It's about a five hour drive southwest 65 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 1: of Denver, like two sixty miles or something by road, 66 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: not as the crow flies. Um. This place one building, 67 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: two businesses. The first business was called or known as 68 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: Sunset Mesa. It was a funeral home, a place where 69 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: families would go after a loved one died and seek 70 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: the services to have that person, you know, interred however 71 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: they saw fit, whether it's either burial or being cremated, 72 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 1: it's generally the services that they would offer. And they 73 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: would do those things, you know, sell coffins, that kind 74 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: of stuff. The other business that was in the same 75 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: building was called Donor Services. It's a secondary business, separate business. 76 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: And can you guess what that company specialized in. What 77 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: did that company special Well, it's in the name body 78 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 1: Parts and full body donation for science. Wildly unregulated, yes, 79 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: still wildly unregulated. Well, um, this company was run at 80 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: least primarily by two individuals, one person named Megan Hess 81 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: and another person named Shirley Cock. I believe is how 82 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: you'd say there, maybe coke probably coke. Right, It's like 83 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: the Koch brothers spelled the same way ko c H 84 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: and uh surely was is Megan's mom. Okay, So here's 85 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: what was happening over at MESA four years, several years. 86 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: Families would come ask for those services for a loved 87 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: one who died. Then Surely and Megan together would defraud 88 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: those people by you know, allowing them that family to 89 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: pay for funeral services, for let's say, services to have 90 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: a loved one cremated. They wouldn't in fact cremate that person, 91 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: or at least all of that person. They would instead 92 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: take them into the back and chop that body up 93 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: and create false paperwork like donate body donation paperwork for 94 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: those individuals and their various body parts, and then they 95 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: would sell them, uh for not a ton of money, 96 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: but for uh quite a bit of money. It's not 97 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: like these two are getting massively rich or something. But 98 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: they just started this business going. It was like a 99 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: machine that started running, and it didn't stop until they 100 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: got caught. Do we do we know for how long 101 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: this operation continued? Well, then I'm not positive how long 102 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: this was occurring, but I do know that it goes 103 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: back to at least eleven because of the reporting coming 104 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: out of the Denver post Um, but I don't want 105 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: to get too far ahead here. The reason why any 106 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: of us know about any of this is because of 107 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: an investigation carried out by Reuters that dates back to 108 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: UH or between eighteen. They were looking into the body 109 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 1: broker issue across the board and this is one of 110 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: the places that kind of hit on their radar when 111 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: they started talking to family members. Um. And there was 112 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: an PII investigation where they began to identify the remains, 113 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: Like let's say your loved one got cremated, that person 114 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: came home in a jar of sorts and container of sorts. 115 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: The family believes, oh that's my you know, that's Uncle 116 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 1: Jerry or whatever. And the FBI confirmed through testing that no, 117 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: in fact, that is the remains of multiple people, probably 118 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: multiple parts of multiple people just burned up together. Um. 119 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: And if that's not heartbreaking and like makes you want 120 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: to hit something really hard, UH, it should. Um. Okay, 121 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 1: so let's talk about what happened to Megan and Shirley. 122 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: They both pleaded guilty back in July of last year 123 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: to fraud essentially the you know, they did some horrible 124 00:08:54,000 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 1: macab things to dead bodies, like unspeakable things did the bodies. Um. 125 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: But ultimately the thing they're getting in trouble for is 126 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: filling out that false paperwork on behalf of those families, right, 127 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: and then gaining money from selling it to places that thought, 128 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, a research organization that thought everything was on 129 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: the up and up. It was fraudulent. Um. Megan hess 130 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: was sentenced to twenty years, which was the maximum number 131 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: of years that she could have gotten, and Shirley Coke 132 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: was sentenced to fifteen years. And I think one of 133 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: the reasons Shirley was given less years because she discussed 134 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: outllowed during the process of how she was the person 135 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: cutting up bodies. Added to a lot of it, she 136 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: admitted to a lot of the things that she was doing. 137 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: She's also sixty nine years old, and you know she's 138 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: still getting fifteen years in prison. Um. It's just it's 139 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,080 Speaker 1: one of those things where in my mind and I 140 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: have the facts about this, so I haven't actually seen 141 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: that it's been proven in a court of law that 142 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: surely was the one cutting up the bodies, But it 143 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: feels like something you might say or admit to if 144 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: you're a parent of someone who's also getting an equal trouble, like, 145 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 1: you know, I'll take the blame. It feels like that 146 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if that's true. Yeah, So 147 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: that they got sentenced. The reason we're talking about this 148 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: today is because they were sentenced on Tuesday the third. 149 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: So it's finally kind of the end to this crazy 150 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: story that all of these family members have been going through, 151 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: who've had people, you know, run through that system. Um, 152 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: unwillingly and unknowingly. They finally got to see these two 153 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: get locked up. Um. So that's really why we're talking 154 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 1: about it today. It's a much bigger story though, Ben, 155 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to touch on the 156 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: full thing, but it's just kind of it's just gross. 157 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: It's stinks. Um, it's just pretty awful. You can read 158 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: all about it if you want to. The reporting is widespread, 159 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: a lot of it's coming from as I said, Denver 160 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: Post Reuters, the Guardian had to write up on it. 161 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: You can find it everywhere. Yeah, and you can also 162 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: find uh, speaking to that point about larger context, you 163 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: can also find more information about this in our previous 164 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: episode on the body broker industry, which remains unregulated today 165 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: remains is not a pun and anybody who treats that 166 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: as a pun you should feel bad. So the the 167 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: issue too is that, to be quite concrete about this, 168 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: just because this one group of folks got convicted, it 169 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the families have a happy ending. It 170 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: is virtually impossible to trace the you know, to trace 171 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: the timeline for each body part that got older trafficked. 172 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: I would use the word trafficed anonymously, right. Uh. The 173 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: people who are receiving this stuff, it reminds me a 174 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: little bit of the museum problem, Matt. You know, the 175 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: the idea that a museum procureer or cure at or 176 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: can say, well, we did our due diligence, and these 177 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:28,839 Speaker 1: people are you know they they said, uh, they looked 178 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: on the up and up when they gave us these 179 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: bronzes right from a country that is not of their origin, 180 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: and we cough cough, British museum cough cough, have no 181 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: problem taking it. And it looked legit. It had a stamp, 182 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: you know, the stamp pois and colors like it really 183 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: popped and that stamps it is like that, and you 184 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: know something I forgot to mention Ben. It's there were 185 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: an estimated five hundred and sixty bodies in total, or 186 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 1: or at least that many bodies that were quote dissected 187 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: by this group. And if we're being if we're being 188 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: coldly objective about this, when you hear that number over 189 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: five d what what we all need to realize, fellow 190 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists, is that folks engage in these operations are 191 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: practicing rules that would be familiar to the proprietor of 192 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: any decent automobile chop shop. You make more money selling 193 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: parts than you do the whole car, So there's it's 194 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: incredibly difficult if you are a surviving family member to 195 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: find all of the places where your loved ones remains went. Boy, 196 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: we are kicking off and a super I am so 197 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: sorry everybody. This is just a story that stood out 198 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: to me and us and uh, it's something we talked about. Yeah, 199 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: it's not justice though, mm hmm. It's just really real 200 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: messed up. Yeah, gosh, they were charging a grand for 201 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 1: a cremation. It didn't happen at all, at least in 202 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: the way that they were told. The body that loved 203 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: one got donated chopped up and then they got sent 204 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: a jar remains. That was just like all the other 205 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: victims in this case, bunch of different people, just a 206 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: mixed tape of ashes. So one, let's let's go for 207 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: a positive aspect of this. One positive thing amid all 208 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: this tragedy is that there are more there are more 209 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: eyes on this problem, there's more awareness. Hopefully, you know, 210 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: the FBI successfully pursuing this kind of investigation hopefully spells 211 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: uh spells out a precedent, right, Hopefully this will one 212 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: day become a thing of the past. You know, if 213 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: the FBI is rating one business in an industry, you 214 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: can statistically be certain they at least have some scarily 215 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: accurate eyes on other other examples of that industry without 216 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: other cam website running people in all of your if 217 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: you've got a business running cam girl and boy services, 218 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: watched out Andrew Tate just went down. Oh oh yeah, okay, 219 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: what's the deal with that guy? Why he's just human 220 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: trafficking with cameras disgusting and also uh not involved in 221 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: body broker stuff. Different kind of Actually, that is an 222 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: excellent point, Matt. This is the reason you and I 223 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: hang out. Yeah, I will say though again going for 224 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: a positive note. Okay, yeah, ok yeah, going through a 225 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: positive note. Uh. It's crazy that greta Thunderberg of old 226 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: people became a hypocrite in that argument, because how are 227 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,760 Speaker 1: you going to be a climate activist and make a 228 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: burn that enormous. It's like we're working live, We're working 229 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 1: no no props though it was it was can I 230 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: tell you I didn't actually I saw the headlines pop up, 231 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: but I never clicked on it was. It wasn't in 232 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: a tweet or something that she what was it? Yeah, 233 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: So the the guy take I think just proactively maybe 234 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: for clout or attention. Uh, sent sent a message to 235 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: Thunderberg's Thunberg's Twitter handle and said, look, I have all 236 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: these cars, and you know, I'm very proud of them. 237 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: And it was trying to do do a nagg of 238 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 1: some sort, which you know as a the guy's a 239 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: pick up artist key way they call themselves, and so 240 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: I think he was trying to do that sort of stuff, 241 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: which which in general different bag of badgers. But look, 242 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: don't listen to the pickup artist stuff. It's like self 243 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: help books. It's to make those folks money, not to 244 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: help you. As an audience and uh. And then she 245 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 1: responded with something like, uh, yeah, yes, send an email 246 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: to me at small energy at something dot com and 247 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: and it it burnens so bad that he made a 248 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: response video which was supposed to um depicted him in 249 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: his version of a successful light and he messed up 250 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: the same way Tracy Jordan's messed up on thirty Rock, 251 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: which is he was he was eating pizza and from 252 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: the pizza boxes he authorities were able to track his vacation, Yes, sir, 253 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: and it sealed the deal on the human trafficking or else. Yeah. 254 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: Well he's got big small brain energy, you know. Uh. 255 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: And and then Thumberg came back and said this was 256 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: the brutal like finisher move. Uh. If we're talking to 257 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: m m A, she said, you know, like when the 258 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: rests are trying to hold you back and you've gotta 259 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: knock one more in. Uh. Thumberg said something along the 260 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: lines of this is what happens when you don't recycle 261 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: your pizza boxes moves. Uh. And that's a positive note. 262 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: We should go to break. I feel good and we 263 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: have returned. So Matt, you and Doc and I uh 264 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: managed to find some positivity in a quite quite terrifying 265 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: story in our first part of this strange news segment. 266 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: Let's continue to our second story. Uh, it's another update. Man. 267 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: We talked about this a while ago. We actually forecast 268 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:26,479 Speaker 1: it just a bit. And that's not calling that's not 269 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: calling ourselves no stradomical dominish. No. Uh. What what we're 270 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: saying is the numbers were there, the statistics were there, 271 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: the trends, the motivations, they were all there. They're still there, 272 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: they're mapped out. There are continuing attacks on the infrastructure 273 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: of the United States. These are soft targets. Uh, Matt, 274 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: I place enormous priority on credit where it's due. And 275 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: you brought up the story not too long ago of 276 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: a fluoride activist in Florida. I believe a fluoride activist 277 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: in Florida who had fused with the water levels right 278 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: at a water treatment plants. Oh, Man, I can't remember 279 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:19,719 Speaker 1: if I actually if I'm the one that brought that up. 280 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: Inn It might have been through listener mail. And so 281 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: so this this story illustrated for us what seemed to 282 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: be not just the one off case of problems with 283 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: a specific water treatment plant, but it showed us why 284 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: infrastructure is both one important and too easily ignored. You know. 285 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: It's it's not hot red meat for the media, not yet. 286 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: And so what we're gonna do now is talk a 287 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: little bit about some of the recent infrastructure attacks, some 288 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: of the patterns we see about the future, and then 289 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: let's interrogate that perception of patterns, because there's a little 290 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: bit more to the story if we're paying attention. So 291 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 1: recently white recently, Uh, you and Doc and I were 292 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: talking about this before we before we hopped on air today. 293 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: There was another attack on an energy substation, and this 294 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: one was in the Pacific Northwest, correct, that is correct, 295 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,400 Speaker 1: near Tacoma, Washington. Yeah, And in in those attacks, two 296 00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: people are in custody, actually, which is very nice. For 297 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: quite a while, at least on Christmas Day and the 298 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: next the following day on December last year, it's weird 299 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: to say, Um, they were still trying to figure out 300 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: who the heck was attacking substations, empower stations near Tacoma. 301 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: But they finally got somebody, Yeah, because four got hit 302 00:21:54,840 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: on Christmas morning and it didn't take long for these 303 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: two guys to get arrested on New Year's Eve. So 304 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: the celebrated, and um, probably not the situation they were 305 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: hoping for. You know, wow, they got picked up on 306 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: New Year's Eve. Oh man, oh yeah, I know. Can 307 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: I make a confession just as a side note here, 308 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: I did not do a countdown this year. I was 309 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: alone at my house with the dogs and playing a 310 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: little skyroom. I'm sorry, everybody, that's what I was doing. 311 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: That that's a king move. Yeah. I was finishing up 312 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: some Thieves Guild stuff and I looked over and it 313 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: was twelve o two and I went, hey, look at that. 314 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, that's again. Uh, big fans of Skyrim here, 315 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: I was at you know me quite well, I was right, 316 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,159 Speaker 1: something ridiculous. Uh, and then got over my head in 317 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: some dumb project or another. And I believe Doc told 318 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: us code named Doc Holiday told us that she was 319 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 1: watching a game. She was watching a game with the dogs, 320 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: right with the Bulldogs. And then yeah, I told us, 321 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: there's a brief moment where she said, oh, happy New Year, everybody. 322 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: And they went back to the game and then Ohio 323 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 1: State lost immediately afterward. My dad was so excited. God, 324 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: he was excited, and so so everybody. Uh celebrates New 325 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: Year's Eve in a different way, right, is what we 326 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,439 Speaker 1: can say. And uh, these guys, we can tell you 327 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: their names. In this country is legal to disclose people's names. 328 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: Guy named Matthew Greenwood and a guy named Jeremy Crahan 329 00:23:55,240 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: were attacking these uh four powers stations in Pierce County 330 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: in Tacoma. But they were not doing so as um, 331 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: they were not doing so with a terrorist ideology or 332 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: anything like that. They had a specific plan in mind. 333 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: Well they said, they say they did. They said they 334 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: were gonna they were gonna go rob a local business. 335 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: So it's very much big heist energy going on there 336 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: where we're gonna we're gonna take down all the power 337 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: in this whole area and then get in there and 338 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: get the bonds or whatever they were going to steal. 339 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 1: And I would have gotten away with it too if 340 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: it weren't for you phone records, Yeah, I got them. 341 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: Don't take your cell phone to a crime soon. Uh yeah, 342 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: actually wait, do take your cell phone to a crime seen? 343 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: Uh well, you know shot spotter, so the the that 344 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: doesn't apply in this situation. But also shout out man, 345 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: I was listening to something we did earlier that came 346 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: out last week. Now I think where you and I 347 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: walked through and hopefully not too specific of a detail, 348 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: ways to uh spoo fence and fool uh cell phone tracking. Yeah, yeah, 349 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: I was still I I listened back, and I wanted 350 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: to make sure we were on We were on the level, 351 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: and it was a great job. I really liked your idea. 352 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: By the way of uh recording listening to a television, Yeah, 353 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 1: it only works if you're only being spied on through audio, though. 354 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: If there's video involved, too bad you did. That gets 355 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: a little more sophisticated, right, And a surveillance state we 356 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: live in, that's for sure. Actually, if you're listening to this, 357 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: you're in a surveillance state as well. What a time 358 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: to be alive. So why are these two guys in 359 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: Tacoma interest they've failed in their heist. A lot of 360 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: folks attempting a heist fail. That's just the nature of 361 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: the game. It's like spoken word. Most of it is 362 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 1: going to be unsuccessful, some of it will be amazing. 363 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: So so the issue here is that there's a larger 364 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: conversation that the United States needs to have across political 365 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 1: boundaries about soft targets. All Right, most of the energy 366 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: that cities, towns, you know, everything in between. Most of 367 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: it is very unprotected. Right. One of the most one 368 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: of the most extreme examples I saw of energy substation 369 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 1: being even adequately surveiled is a is a content building. 370 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: This GUIs as an apartment block in New York City, 371 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: And that's just because of the density of people and 372 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: the frequency of folks walking by. If you are going 373 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: to almost any area that is not already a federal 374 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: or military installation, you are going to see the number 375 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: one protection being what a chain link fence and some cameras. 376 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: And this really this really spiked Matt when Um when 377 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 1: our pal Heinrich Over in Germany the decade aristocrat tried 378 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: to try to be the face of an attempted coup 379 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: and German German police and law enforcement overall came down 380 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: quite hard, and they came with receipts. The plan for 381 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 1: that coup was to detonate UH an e MP electromagnetic 382 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: pulse device. And they're thinking was this would be a 383 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: signal so people who are on board with this idea 384 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: and together they would rise up and they would UH 385 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: overthrow Germany's current government and institute monarchy. Because they were 386 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: very interested in dumb ideas about government, and that's that's 387 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: just objective monarchies are done. But the the thing is this, 388 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: I think gave some fuel to the fire. Right. This 389 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: is something that you will you will hear about increasingly. 390 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: And we talked about this previously in you know, as 391 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: long as those substations remain things with essentially no kind 392 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: of protection. The assumption is, hey, everybody living here needs energy, right, 393 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: It's it's part of life in the United States. So 394 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: who would be enough of a jerk to a packet? 395 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: What good would it do? It would help maybe distract 396 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: local law enforcement for long enough in one area that 397 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: you could go to a different area of the same 398 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,959 Speaker 1: metro and then pull a pretty successful heist, right, Like 399 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 1: if you wanted to just for an example, if you like, 400 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: picture your city, if your city has two strip malls, 401 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: then if you want to rob one of those strip 402 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: malls or a store there, then what do you do. 403 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: You create a huge brew haha at the first strip mall. 404 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: You distract first responders, right, you get the deputies, the possese, 405 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: the l eos in general all converged on that spot, 406 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: and then really quickly you scoop in on on point 407 00:29:52,760 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: to H'm they did. They did because they were thinking 408 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: through it, but they weren't thinking about the precedent they 409 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: were setting this. This means that that kind of tactic 410 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: is going to be readily apparent two anyone paying attention, 411 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: not just in the US but in other parts of 412 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: the world, and make the mistake without providing solid proof. 413 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: I am I'm virtually certain that intelligence agencies and state 414 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: actors have deployed similar tactics in the past. It just 415 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: we just saw in the warrant the war that's occurring 416 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: in Ukraine right now. I mean, it's a war. It 417 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: is a standard war tact. I guess you're saying, man 418 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: attacked the infrastructure, knock that out. If they don't have power, 419 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: they the enemy whoever they are, can't do certain things. Yeah, 420 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: it's true. And I'm talking about the um even the 421 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: fishier side of it, which is the plausible deniability. So 422 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: so why why is this an issue? Well, yes, the 423 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: reality is there, these are targets. These are easy targets 424 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: and unless something changes, as the US infrastructure continues to decay, right, 425 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: there will be more opportunities for attack. They will likely 426 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: be they will likely be actors who think of themselves 427 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: as domestic actors, but they may not be. They may 428 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: be financed without their knowing by foreign powers of one 429 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: sort or another. But the other thing the question we 430 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,719 Speaker 1: should end on with this one is does media reporting 431 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: of these instances does it help or does it courage 432 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: more similar attempts? And that's an open question. I don't 433 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: know what what's your take, man, I think it might. 434 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: I was reading in one of the stories you found 435 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: here been from the National Review dot com or National 436 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: Review dot com. The article is just titled Who's Attacking 437 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: Our Power Grid? And in there they discuss how attacks 438 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: on the US power grid individual attacks like this are 439 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: at the highest levels since But that means there have 440 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: been in the past fairly high frequencies of attacks on 441 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,959 Speaker 1: the power grid. It's just we I haven't heard a 442 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: ton about them. I don't know if you have, but 443 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: it does appear that it's something that's been happening for 444 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: quite a while. When it becomes a major news story 445 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 1: like the North Carolina attacks that we discussed previously on 446 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: this show, I wonder if it gives people ideas, right, 447 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: that's the question, are you informing, are you empowering? Possibly? 448 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: What benizing. We need those dogs with guns. You know 449 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: those robot dogs. Oh yeah, you love those. Yeah. At 450 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: each substation there's like a couple of them. Oh boy. Yeah. 451 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: It's weird because if you think about a lot of 452 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: these things, right, these substations outside of dense urban populations, 453 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: these um these little nodes of modern culture are often 454 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: put where they are because of nimby not in my 455 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: backyard concerns, and as a result of that, they are 456 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: often not not in the most accessible places. I want 457 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: to shout out. We'll keep people anonymous. I want to 458 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: shout out a Reddit user named Damon d A E. 459 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: M I N who pointed out that when they were 460 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: doing a a security assessment let's call it in Wyoming 461 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: a while back, they noticed that the nearest town, the 462 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: nearest mark of civilization to this power station was a 463 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 1: hundred miles away, and for law enforcement to travel to 464 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: the site it would take four hours if they left immediately. 465 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: So there's a logistical problem. How do you how do 466 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: you combat that? Right? How do you how do you 467 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: get in front of it? Robot dog sentinels, robot dog, 468 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: robot you know what, robot ravens too. Let's get some 469 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 1: birds up there, you know, sphere guardians. Uh, you know, 470 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: I like them. I also think the oh the little 471 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: Dwemmer spiders because you know, because they drop out of 472 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:52,520 Speaker 1: nowhere those shock attacks. Come on. Why are we doing 473 00:34:52,520 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: a half measures? Dragons? Someone invent dragons. We need dragons. Dragons. Yeah, 474 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: DARPA drop everything, DARPA drop everything. Get dragons. All right, Uh, folks, 475 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a pause for a word from our sponsors, 476 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: and we'll be back with some things that we've been 477 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: keeping our eyes on. In three and spoiler, we're going 478 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 1: to end this show asking for your opinion about what 479 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: your fellow conspiracy realist should keep an eye on this year. 480 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:44,959 Speaker 1: And we've returned full disclosure. Folks. I don't know about you, Matt, 481 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: but since a lot of hostility towards Ohio State from 482 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: the good code name Doc Holiday, and I didn't even 483 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 1: ask her about it during the break because I'm not 484 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 1: up to date. I don't know about the villainous past 485 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: of Ohio State. Ohio State, bro educate yourself to Michigan graduated. 486 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 1: It's really it's really that simple. And my mom also 487 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: graduated from Michigan, so I was like raised to hate 488 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,440 Speaker 1: Ohio State. In fact, Ohio State actually like sent me 489 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: a letter of my senior year in high school, cause 490 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: I got a really high school. In my A C T. 491 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: I had some different colleges like you know, like offer 492 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 1: letters and so like, Ohio State sent me a letter 493 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: offering me a full of scholarship, and I burned it, 494 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: burned it amazing. I put it in the fireplace. It's 495 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: not an exaggeration. This actually happened. It's too real. It's 496 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: too real out here twenty free Okay, Uh, thank you 497 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: for that information. I am. I am continually amazed. And 498 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: U I don't know this this kind of information. It's 499 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: it's the sort of stuff that I think makes a 500 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: lot of us feel centered in our communities in which 501 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: we live. You know, like sports games, people find so 502 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: much identification. People identify with their communities the same way 503 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: that all of us will naturally identify with some region 504 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: of the world. And there's a big us versus them thing. 505 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,360 Speaker 1: And this is one of the things that we wanted 506 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: to keep an eye on in in the very end 507 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,439 Speaker 1: of this show today. Uh, we're calling this twenty three 508 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,800 Speaker 1: things to keep an eye on. Quick update on our 509 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: pretty divisive episode about foreign investment in housing markets across 510 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: the planet. We got let's see, we got uh, we 511 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: got some folks who said this was in danger of 512 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: being xenophobic, which I think is true. We got some folks, 513 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: We got a lot of folks say that this was 514 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: an estment scam by people who have made money in 515 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: a shady way in some other country and they're parking 516 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: that money in another place to the detriment of people 517 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: who actually live in that community. And so we have 518 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: an update. Now. We spent a lot of time on 519 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 1: Canada here, and our Canadian conspiracy realists wrote to us 520 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,239 Speaker 1: with this. The law has passed. If you're not Canadian, 521 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 1: you are banned from buying a home. Asterick asterix fine print. Yeah, 522 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: it's not it's not looking good for that investment sector, 523 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: I guess, as you'd call it, because houses, it's just 524 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: something you don't know as you're growing up, even when 525 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,920 Speaker 1: you're in college, unless you're specializing in some of this stuff, 526 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: you don't realize that homes are this weird investment sector 527 00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: for wealthy human beings on planet Earth, and that's really 528 00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 1: what they are. It's this It's not a place for 529 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: you to grow up and you know, have a good time, 530 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: have your nice family and do all that stuff. No, no, no, 531 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: it's just a thing that it accrues in worth that 532 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: you didn't eventually get to flip one day or turn 533 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,400 Speaker 1: it into passive income for you and your family for 534 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,319 Speaker 1: the rest of your life. It's really all it is, 535 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:23,479 Speaker 1: right right, we're talking specifically about a there's a great 536 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:29,399 Speaker 1: right up on this from Nadine yusuf over at British Broadcasting. 537 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,440 Speaker 1: And there are some statistics we should kick like Summer 538 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: of want of Folks may remember it fondly unless you 539 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,720 Speaker 1: were trying to buy a home in Canada. The average 540 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,960 Speaker 1: home price in Canada at that time was seven hundred 541 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: seventy seven thousand, two hundred dollars Canadian Canadian in US 542 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:58,760 Speaker 1: that's uh five d sixty eight thousand dollars. And yeah, 543 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: and so that is as use of points out more 544 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: than eleven times the median Canadian household after taxes. We've 545 00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: seen similar stuff in Australia. You've seen you have seen 546 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,800 Speaker 1: similar stuff if you live in California, right, uh, l 547 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: or London, for example. Uh. This is a larger systemic 548 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 1: problem and until this law got passed, it was totally 549 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,880 Speaker 1: not illegal. I feel like not illegal is watering it 550 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,160 Speaker 1: down a bit. I don't know that's a new thing, man, 551 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: I like, not illegal, it's just it's real hot this decade. 552 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: Actually just humans. That's that's real hot. It's real hot 553 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: this yeah, this species. Okay, So it's that's where Google 554 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,720 Speaker 1: was coming from. What there don't be evil world away 555 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: from be good or do good? Well, Okay, so I'm 556 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,120 Speaker 1: bringing this up. This is a thing to keep n 557 00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: ion because I imagine more countries are going to do 558 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,200 Speaker 1: things similar to this. You know, we have to remember 559 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: that other countries already have laws banning foreign ownership and 560 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 1: have had those laws for quite some time. Thailand would 561 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,120 Speaker 1: be an excellent example, Zealand New Zealand as well, large 562 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,120 Speaker 1: large expat communities in both but pretty strict laws. And 563 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:33,160 Speaker 1: I wonder, Matt, whether this leads us to a larger 564 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:40,239 Speaker 1: trend over twenty three of increasing sort of um us 565 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: versus them nous. Right, like you you told me this 566 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: story and I wasn't aware of this update until you 567 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: kicked it right before it went on air. Uh Japan, 568 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,320 Speaker 1: which has a huge percentage of its population in Tokyo 569 00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: metro area, Japan is asking people to leave the capital. Dude. 570 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: They've been asking people to get the heck out of 571 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: Tokyo for a long time. And they also said we'll 572 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,879 Speaker 1: pay you, like seriously, we will. We will give you 573 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 1: lots and lots of yen and you can get out, 574 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. The problem is their campaign has 575 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: not been successful at all. You might you may ask 576 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 1: why are they doing that, and it's because Tokyo in 577 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,439 Speaker 1: general is just super overcrowded, at least compared to most 578 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,280 Speaker 1: of the rest of Japan in the more suburban areas 579 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: that exist out there, where populations are just dwindling, completely dwindling. 580 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: CNN Business had a great article titled Tokyo is so 581 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,359 Speaker 1: crowded the government is paying families to leave, and they 582 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: mentioned that the country of Japan is offering families seven thousand, 583 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: seven dollars US per child if your parents to move 584 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: to less populated areas on the island or in the country. 585 00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 1: So it's really that's pretty good. I mean, let's say 586 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,720 Speaker 1: you've got two kids. Wow, that's over fifteen thousand dollars 587 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:11,080 Speaker 1: US or two million yen um, not a not a 588 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 1: not too bad, and you could actually walk down the street. 589 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 1: They're also encouraging people to open their own businesses in 590 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 1: those places because there's like no businesses in a bunch 591 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,399 Speaker 1: of these towns that used to be flourishing. Well, that's 592 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: the pickle, isn't it. I mean, let us not forget that. 593 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 1: In the US for some time, a couple of states 594 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 1: had this program where they would give you, uh land 595 00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,240 Speaker 1: for free as long as you promised to actually live there. 596 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: What we're seeing then is, I would argue an increasing 597 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: trend towards conurbation. That's that's okay, I've laughing at your 598 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,880 Speaker 1: face there. I just have to thinking about Karl McGregor, 599 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: and like, that's how I would describe what he used 600 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: to do in the ring when he makes but he 601 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:07,200 Speaker 1: was just knocking people left and right now anybody, I mean, judges, 602 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: they're giving us a ding dot holiday. Can we get 603 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: a dingy good? We got the belt? Well done that? 604 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: Uh yeah. Conturbation is just it's just the concept of 605 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: a metro area with a tie on to sound fancy. 606 00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 1: And as we have discussed for several years, actually for 607 00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: quite a few years now, the majority of the human 608 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,439 Speaker 1: species has lived in cities. That's just a numbers game. 609 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 1: So the prospect of telling someone to go live outside 610 00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,359 Speaker 1: of a city and try to be you know, on 611 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: the forefront of resurrecting that economically, that is, that is 612 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: one of those things where I imagine you would get 613 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,200 Speaker 1: eighty percent of people to agree with it in principle, 614 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,160 Speaker 1: but how many would actually go and do it? M M, 615 00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Well, that's why we have 616 00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,719 Speaker 1: some numbers for you here Okay. So Tokyo as a 617 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: city is the fifth most expensive city that you could 618 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: live in, Okay. That's one of the major reasons they're 619 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,439 Speaker 1: doing the same reason why in the world, in the world, yes, 620 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:24,719 Speaker 1: not in Japan, in the world. Uh And Japan, as 621 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: we said, has been trying to do this for quite 622 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: a while. There was there have been numerous attempts to 623 00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: get individuals and families out of Tokyo and into these 624 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:41,479 Speaker 1: other places that are more or less unoccupied. And let's see, 625 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: the last time, or at least the best information I 626 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,200 Speaker 1: have right now, there was a plan where they were 627 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: offering three thousand yen per child for a family to 628 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: relocate or for a single person or couples right um. 629 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,279 Speaker 1: And there was a whole thing where they're offering to 630 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 1: help get businesses going. Here we go, here we go. 631 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,959 Speaker 1: In the first year that they launched this where they're 632 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,319 Speaker 1: offering people money to leave, yea, they had seventy one 633 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,040 Speaker 1: total households that participated and actually got out of Tokyo. 634 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:23,320 Speaker 1: Holy edemy here Holy yeah. Everybody's like, nah, Tokyo is 635 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,240 Speaker 1: pretty good, man. It sounds like, you know, the majority 636 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,240 Speaker 1: of households are going. That's a great idea, and let's 637 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: make sure it happens for someone else. Yeah. Yeah, So 638 00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,200 Speaker 1: there's a current population in Tokyo thirty seven million human 639 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,560 Speaker 1: beings at least last time I checked. And to have 640 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:49,799 Speaker 1: only seventy one households move out not great. In one 641 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 1: thousand households moved out, so a little better, but not 642 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 1: even a fraction of a drop in the bucket. It's difficult, 643 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: as you know, uh Matt, doc Holiday. I have spend 644 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: some time in various situations in South Korea, and one 645 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: thing that sticks with me about that is the capital 646 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,160 Speaker 1: their soul is considered the best place to live by 647 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: the majority of population. And it's not found that idea 648 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:26,919 Speaker 1: is not founded on some um vague abstract concept. It's 649 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 1: founded on things like opportunities. Where do I get where 650 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,360 Speaker 1: do I get a better life for my kids? Where 651 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: does my business have a chance of success? Where can 652 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: I find a job in some other business? And even 653 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,680 Speaker 1: though Soul remains as of the time of this recording, 654 00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:51,240 Speaker 1: even though Soul remains under very dangerous potential threat from 655 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:56,720 Speaker 1: the neighbors to the north, people still make that choice. 656 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 1: So much so in fact, that I've heard people refer 657 00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 1: to moving away from Seoul as stepping down. So it 658 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:09,600 Speaker 1: may be seen and again, the three of us are 659 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:14,680 Speaker 1: not native residents of Japan, so it may be seen 660 00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: as taking a step down to move away from this 661 00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: capital city. And look, folks, if you're not from the 662 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 1: United States, Just to be very clear about this, most 663 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,040 Speaker 1: people who live here, I don't want to live in 664 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,080 Speaker 1: the capital. They don't want to live in Washington, d C. 665 00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,319 Speaker 1: It's just a pain in the ass, you know what 666 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:39,840 Speaker 1: I mean. It's it's the seat of some wonderful ideas 667 00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: and some terrifying ideas. But I'm so joke left behind. 668 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,839 Speaker 1: But it's but take our word for it. If you've 669 00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 1: never visited to the capital of the United States, it's 670 00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: not as cool as Tokyo. It's not as cool as 671 00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,640 Speaker 1: all you know what I mean, No, it's nowhere. It's 672 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,640 Speaker 1: actually not as cool as New York. I meet so 673 00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: many people who will argue that New York City is 674 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,399 Speaker 1: the cultural capital of the United States, and I think 675 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 1: there's a pretty good case to be made there. But 676 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,920 Speaker 1: our big reason for bringing this up is that we're 677 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,719 Speaker 1: talking about the idea of in increased nationalism, increased attention 678 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: on where people would like to live versus where current 679 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:38,520 Speaker 1: power structures want them to reside, and that is going 680 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 1: to be a big thing. Like we just very very 681 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: obliquely outlined plans, and and of course there's the licensing 682 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,160 Speaker 1: system in mainland China that dictates where people can live 683 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: or move even pre COVID. I pose it to you 684 00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: that this kind of trend will continue. I see in 685 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,840 Speaker 1: a further restriction of free movement just overall across the board. 686 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: I don't know how extreme it will be, but as 687 00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: climate migrants trend upward, which is inevitable, I think we're 688 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,000 Speaker 1: going to see a lot more restriction on movement, if 689 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:24,080 Speaker 1: not in the definitely in the coming years. There's a 690 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,560 Speaker 1: story over Christmas about migrants being dropped off at Kamala 691 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:32,919 Speaker 1: Harris's house. Is that right, I can't remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 692 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:37,320 Speaker 1: it's politically, it's a political goal. And again, when elephants 693 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: make war, it's the grass that suffers. So regardless of ideology, Uh, 694 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:49,880 Speaker 1: everybody should be pissed on behalf of folks who were 695 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: lied to and misled and trucked up somewhere and treated 696 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 1: like props instead of human beings. Uh, I I don't know, man. 697 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,759 Speaker 1: Let's let's send on something funny. Let's send on a 698 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: small time, small time heist, because as as you and 699 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,359 Speaker 1: I know, uh, this is this strange news. Part of 700 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,440 Speaker 1: what we're talking about is a pretty good lead into 701 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:19,719 Speaker 1: an episode that you and I are doing about overpopulation 702 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: fact and fiction. I can't wait. And speaking of overpopulating things, 703 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 1: painful segue. We have even more stories to keep an 704 00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: eye on in three, but we're gonna call it a 705 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 1: day or in my case, a sunrise, for now, and 706 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,839 Speaker 1: we are going to return with more stuff they don't 707 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: want you know, very soon, big, big thanks to everybody, 708 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,279 Speaker 1: all of our fellow conspiracy realists who reached out. We 709 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: can't wait to share some of your stories in our 710 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,000 Speaker 1: upcoming listener mail segment in the meantime, give us your 711 00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: thoughts on the body broker industry, give us your thoughts 712 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:06,840 Speaker 1: on the potential for continuing attacks on UFS, UFC C, 713 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:13,720 Speaker 1: f C S, no on UFC or u S infrastructure, 714 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:16,799 Speaker 1: and uh, let us know what and let all of 715 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,160 Speaker 1: us know what you're keeping an eye on. In twenty three. 716 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,719 Speaker 1: We try to be easy to find online Facebook, Instagram, UH, YouTube, 717 00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: TikTok until that gets banned in the u S, which 718 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,279 Speaker 1: is probably probably on the way. If you don't like that, 719 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 1: If you don't sip those social meds, why not give 720 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: us a telephone call. Yes, I re number is one 721 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,320 Speaker 1: eight three three S T d W y t K 722 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:45,439 Speaker 1: A minor apologies to everyone. 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