Speaker 1: Look out his only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a wood chipper, and I love films. As
Speaker 1: ro Hinton Mystery once said, the human face has limited space.
Speaker 1: If you fill it with laughter, there will be no
Speaker 1: room for crying. Try telling that to Pixar and they
Speaker 1: won't hear it. They're monsters inc over there. Every week
Speaker 1: I invite a special guest over. I tell them they've died.
Speaker 1: Then I get them to discuss their life through the
Speaker 1: films that meant that most of them. Previous guests include
Speaker 1: Barry Jenkins, Sharon Stone, Mark Frost, and even Bed Ambles.
Speaker 1: But this week it is the brilliant Comedia actor and
Speaker 1: award winner mister Tony Hale. Head over to the Patreon
Speaker 1: at patreon dot com. Forward to That's Brett Goldstein, where
Speaker 1: you get about twenty minutes extra stuff with Tony. You
Speaker 1: get a secret, you get more questions, You the whole
Speaker 1: episode uncut, an ad free and does a video. Check
Speaker 1: it out at patreon dot com forwards. Last Brett Goldstein,
Speaker 1: Tony Hale is a magnificent actor. You know him from
Speaker 1: Arrested Development, you know him from Veep, and soon you
Speaker 1: will hear him inside out too. I'd never met him before,
Speaker 1: and he was such a lovely man. We had such
Speaker 1: a good time. I really think you're going to love
Speaker 1: this one. So that is it for now. I hope
Speaker 1: you're all well, and I very much hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: Episode three hundred and four of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
Speaker 1: me Brett Goldstein, and I am joined today by an actor,
Speaker 1: a comedian, a legend, a four key, an angry bird,
Speaker 1: a blues brother, a soprano, a inside out, an emotion feeling,
Speaker 1: a vibe, a genius, a hero, and a legend.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 1: We can't believe he's here, but he really is. He's
Speaker 1: a multi award winner, he's an Emmy Award winner, married
Speaker 1: to an Emmy Award winner. They called himself the Emmys.
Speaker 1: Please welcome. He's here, and he's alive, and he's he's
Speaker 1: in everything you love and he's really here. Please rume
Speaker 1: to the show. It's the brilliant, It's tiny.
Speaker 2: Hail Ah, thank you man. That was so nice. I
Speaker 2: need that to play over and over in my house.
Speaker 1: You could, we can loop it for you, tiny Hale.
Speaker 1: I'm a fucking huge fan. Let's let's get out of
Speaker 1: the way. You're brilliant. You are, You're actoutely brilliant. We've
Speaker 1: we've never met. I've seen you across I've seen you
Speaker 1: across the crowded room, and I've looked longingly in your direction,
Speaker 1: and I've thought, don't say alive. I thought, don't ruin it.
Speaker 1: You know I I do.
Speaker 2: I do have the reputation of being like, get away
Speaker 2: from me.
Speaker 1: I've said, is he approachable? People say he's very in excess,
Speaker 1: he's notoriously difficult. I was looking at your just to
Speaker 1: you know, just to check. I was looking at your CV.
Speaker 1: Either you're very lucky or you've got very very good taste,
Speaker 1: because everything you've done is a banger, and it's sort
Speaker 1: of like you're a hit machine.
Speaker 2: Tony. How that's very kind. I wish I could say
Speaker 2: that it was it had anything to do with me.
Speaker 2: I mean, they probably saw the brokenness in me, but
Speaker 2: I wasn't in a place to be like, oh, I
Speaker 2: think I'd like to do this, and I think i'd
Speaker 2: like to do. I mean, I was just so and
Speaker 2: continued being so thankful for a gig that I don't
Speaker 2: Back then, I didn't have that kind of choice. I'm
Speaker 2: just I feel very fortunate to be a part of
Speaker 2: those you know.
Speaker 1: One thing I can't find and you must forgive me.
Speaker 1: Did you ever do stand up? No?
Speaker 3: Or were you a sketch guy or nothing? Sketch guy?
Speaker 3: Sketch guy? Did you study that? Did you train in that?
Speaker 2: No? I mainly studied theater. So at this place called
Speaker 2: the Bureau Group in New York, and it was well
Speaker 2: at first I went to this one place I won't
Speaker 2: say their name, but it was just like the guy
Speaker 2: was just a douchebag and he was super arrogant and
Speaker 2: all the students were walking on eggshells around him, and
Speaker 2: we were doing Meisner and you know Meiser needs you
Speaker 2: need like a safe place, which is a type of
Speaker 2: acting theory, and everybody was just like wanting to please
Speaker 2: him and be like did you like that? Was that
Speaker 2: real enough? And all this kind of stuff and and
Speaker 2: it was so fear based. And then I went to
Speaker 2: this other place called the Barrow Group, and he this
Speaker 2: guy named Seth Barris just like brought play back into
Speaker 2: acting for me and kind of like took away the
Speaker 2: work aspect of it. Like this other place they'd be
Speaker 2: like Tony, great work, man, really really great work, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, what's happening And just kind of like he
Speaker 2: brought the playback and then I got back into sketch
Speaker 2: comedy and it was just it was a real gift
Speaker 2: that that place.
Speaker 1: Big gift was that first place A very fancy Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like it was a two year
Speaker 2: program and it's like you have to have an interview
Speaker 2: with him and he's like he like he like gives
Speaker 2: you the Godfather blessing, like do you go forward? Do
Speaker 2: you not? And it was just such it was just
Speaker 2: like an ego worship place and everybody's like you got in,
Speaker 2: you get it. And by the way, looking back, it's
Speaker 2: like he let you in because you paid for it.
Speaker 2: I mean he just wanted a check. But but then
Speaker 2: you know, you it makes you appreciate the good ones,
Speaker 2: and I thankfully found the good one.
Speaker 1: You know, I've never been a fan of the knocked
Speaker 1: them down to build them up school of it seems
Speaker 1: to me absolutely mad that.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you. Why I'm not a fan of
Speaker 2: it too, is because we already do that to ourselves.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like we're already I'm already the master
Speaker 2: of that master telling me you know I got that
Speaker 2: voice loud and clear. Yeah, so true.
Speaker 1: And it's also like there I was once in I
Speaker 1: went to a class and there was like a girl
Speaker 1: on her own on stage and the teacher basically sort
Speaker 1: of bullied her until she cried. And then when she cried,
Speaker 1: she said, remember that, remember that, that's it, that's it,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't know if that's it.
Speaker 2: It's not. And it's also like, what is she going
Speaker 2: to remember the error of standing in front of you
Speaker 2: trying to cry? That's that's not going to bring it
Speaker 2: next time. I don't know. It was. It was crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you found your you found your face.
Speaker 1: And when you did, what was your first thing you did?
Speaker 1: Was it soprano? As you did first? That's fun.
Speaker 2: I was an oncology nurse and I put chemotherapy in
Speaker 2: Uncle Junior's arm because he had cancer, and that was it.
Speaker 2: And I remember that day. I was because back then,
Speaker 2: this is in the late nineties, Sex and the City
Speaker 2: and the sopranos were like the gigs to get the
Speaker 2: jobs to get in New York, and I was mainly
Speaker 2: doing commercials. I was always kind of like the you know,
Speaker 2: the quirky guy who's not all there, and I was
Speaker 2: those were my commercials, very having a good time. And
Speaker 2: I got that soprano's job and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is it. And I was so nervous that when
Speaker 2: I get really nervous, my hands will shake. That's kind
Speaker 2: of the way I have you know, that's kind of
Speaker 2: how they manifest sometimes. Yeah, and some likes even if
Speaker 2: I'm on stage, I have to put kind of weights
Speaker 2: in cups to kind of keep them from shaking. Sometimes,
Speaker 2: like I'll be totally calm, but then my hands will shake,
Speaker 2: so which, by the way, that douchebag teacher pointed out
Speaker 2: a lot and I was like, yeah, that's gonna help man,
Speaker 2: Thanks dude. But uh So, anyway, I was doing sopranos
Speaker 2: and I was giving chemo and that my as we're
Speaker 2: shaking because I was just so nervous. I'm surrounded by
Speaker 2: like all these like hyper masculine, you know, gangster types,
Speaker 2: and I'm just like it was a disaster. But I
Speaker 2: was in heaven. I was still like, this is the
Speaker 2: best day of my life. That's cool.
Speaker 1: I'm such a huge, huge, huge arrested development van When
Speaker 1: you started that, did you know day one? This is
Speaker 1: fucking special? This one? Oh, we like this might not work,
Speaker 1: are you not?
Speaker 2: Well? We never really knew if we're going to be
Speaker 2: around because the critics loved us, but the ratings were
Speaker 2: really bad, and so we just never knew if we
Speaker 2: were going to be around it. I was so thankful
Speaker 2: to get a job, Brett. I was just like, that's
Speaker 2: all I wanted was a sitcom. And I was around
Speaker 2: like Jeffrey Tamborn, Jason Bateman and Will Arnett and all
Speaker 2: these just like Alia Shocket, all these great actress and actresses,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 2: So I was kind of not really present a lot
Speaker 2: of it. But what I did realize later is that
Speaker 2: people were not used to comedy being dense. They were
Speaker 2: very much used to drama being dense. So it's like
Speaker 2: they you know, paid attention in crime stories and like,
Speaker 2: what does that mean was but in terms of layers
Speaker 2: of comedy, they weren't. It was like they were used
Speaker 2: to like a one two punch. It was like, you
Speaker 2: just they just kind of want to be fed the
Speaker 2: comedy and Arrested you really had to pay attention, like
Speaker 2: this meant that. And you know, he's like he went
Speaker 2: into the blue Man group because he thought it was
Speaker 2: a support group for depressed men, you know, and then
Speaker 2: like his blue hand, his blue hand shows up somewhere
Speaker 2: else and that meant that, and that meant that, and
Speaker 2: like it took time. That's why it became popular on
Speaker 2: Netflix because people could go back and really study it,
Speaker 2: you know, in the DVDs, like they gave him time
Speaker 2: to do it, and so at the time, it just
Speaker 2: wasn't People just didn't really understand what to do with it.
Speaker 1: Was that a fun job?
Speaker 2: It was fun. Veep was really fun for me because
Speaker 2: I was older and I was a little more relaxed.
Speaker 2: I felt like I had a little more experience under
Speaker 2: my belt. Arrested, I was so overwhelmed and I was
Speaker 2: so like, what's happening, Like I just and I never
Speaker 2: knew if I was doing something right. And thankfully I
Speaker 2: was playing like a batshit manic character, so I could
Speaker 2: just you know, act that way that I was acting
Speaker 2: in my life. But I was so I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: I think I gained fifteen pounds in the first season
Speaker 2: because I would eat everything, and like they would, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you k know, have been on set, like
Speaker 2: you'll have before lunch, they'll pass around like an entire lunch.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, I come from New York
Speaker 2: where I was living in an apartment in Harlem, and
Speaker 2: I was like, you never say no to food, and
Speaker 2: so I just started consuming food. And I was just
Speaker 2: so don't know if I was having a good good
Speaker 2: I was just overwhelmed that first first time, Yeah, fair enough.
Speaker 1: And then by vape you were like, okay, I know.
Speaker 2: By Veep and and I was more real. I mean
Speaker 2: I was more relaxed. So like I think I was
Speaker 2: probably a little more easier to easier of a hang,
Speaker 2: you know, like I was having I was having a
Speaker 2: good time and so and then actually when Netflix brought
Speaker 2: Arrested back then I was a little more relaxed, like
Speaker 2: you know, it's just with that with time, I got
Speaker 2: a little bit uncomfortable. Let me say this though, because
Speaker 2: with the me as a person, maybe not, but like
Speaker 2: the material was so bad shit. Unarrested It was just
Speaker 2: like an actress playground, like it was you. The storylines
Speaker 2: were so nuts. And my favorite thing was when I
Speaker 2: would get a new script because back then it wasn't emailed.
Speaker 2: You know, you would you would get it, someone would
Speaker 2: bring it to you. Yeah, and I would just be
Speaker 2: turning the pages like you are kidding me, like my
Speaker 2: hands eaten off by a seal and you know I
Speaker 2: have a relationship with lizaman Manelli and like I'm just
Speaker 2: like what, like this is crazy like that. That was
Speaker 2: a lot of joy of like this, this is so cool.
Speaker 2: You know what am I up to you this week?
Speaker 2: I get it hook? Yeah, yeah, I get a hook.
Speaker 1: And Veep is improvised sometimes some Bite size did they
Speaker 1: have improv in Bite Size?
Speaker 2: No arrested, There was no improv It was always mainly
Speaker 2: on the page. And then Veep, I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 2: Amanda you new cheese kind of process. But he'll he'll
Speaker 2: have a script and then he'll he'll want us to
Speaker 2: kind of put it on its feet just for a rehearsal,
Speaker 2: and then we'll just see, you see if it gels.
Speaker 2: And then out of that, like funny bits will come
Speaker 2: up and all that kind of stuff and then if
Speaker 2: many times are brought into the script, but on the
Speaker 2: day it's totally cemented, it's totally sad.
Speaker 1: I did not know that. That's interesting. So there's rehearsal
Speaker 1: in the middle of the writing process, not on set totally.
Speaker 2: And it was all these writers in the UK. We
Speaker 2: be rehearsing, just standing around with their notebooks, just like
Speaker 2: you know, jotting things down. And when I first got there,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm I'm gonna be fired because
Speaker 2: I I didn't know if I was supposed to come
Speaker 2: up with bits. Yeah, but he was more just wanting
Speaker 2: to see if it geld and a fun stuff came
Speaker 2: out than great, but it was we would have, you know,
Speaker 2: two weeks of rehearsal before we would shoot two episodes,
Speaker 2: which is a real rarity, you know, as you know
Speaker 2: in television. Yeah, yeah, you don't really have a rehearsal.
Speaker 1: And right now you are currently in now you may
Speaker 1: not know this tone. You may never have listened to
Speaker 1: my podcast before, but in the middle of the year
Speaker 1: I do an end of the year Films of the
Speaker 1: Year special from the year before because I like to
Speaker 1: wait until I've really seen all the films from last year,
Speaker 1: so I don't do it December. I did usually do
Speaker 1: it like Jude really, yeah, that's fun. When we did
Speaker 1: the Films of the Decade when it was twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: my film of the decade, greatest film of the decade
Speaker 1: was Inside Out. I think is a very profound and
Speaker 1: it's a film that I don't ever want to watch
Speaker 1: again because it made me so sad, like it made
Speaker 1: me ques some but I think it's like genuinely such
Speaker 1: a profound sort of way of illustrating the mind and
Speaker 1: the message you need the sadness for the happiness. Like
Speaker 1: It's just I think it's an incredible film, and you
Speaker 1: are now an inside Out to which I am scared
Speaker 1: of watching because I'm righty it will destroy me further.
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? How do you feel about it?
Speaker 2: No? I have not seen it. I'm seeing it next week.
Speaker 2: But to your point, I had the same reaction to
Speaker 2: the first one, and I really appreciate you saying that
Speaker 2: I don't want to see it again because I feel
Speaker 2: that way with most films. I don't like watching it
Speaker 2: again because I don't know if I'm not going to
Speaker 2: have the same magical experience what that I did the
Speaker 2: first time, so I kind of don't even try because
Speaker 2: I kind of want to. It's like a sacred space
Speaker 2: but inside out. You know, I've seen portions of it
Speaker 2: since I was doing this one. And you know, when
Speaker 2: Joy says realizes that she has to involve sadness in
Speaker 2: order to help Riley, and and and Sadness touches the
Speaker 2: ball and it turns blue and she sends it up
Speaker 2: and Riley, you know, feels sad for this time. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just every every emotion in me just
Speaker 2: shuts down, like it's just it so resonates. And I
Speaker 2: don't know if you know the whole story behind that,
Speaker 2: but it used to be fear and joy. So when
Speaker 2: they were when they were yeah, when they were first
Speaker 2: doing the whole concept, it was supposed to be kind
Speaker 2: of the partnership was fear and joy, and it wasn't working.
Speaker 2: And that's when they realize, oh, this needs to be
Speaker 2: sadness and joy, and sadness is what is used in
Speaker 2: the very end to bring healing or just to kind
Speaker 2: of help Riley grow in that process.
Speaker 1: It's really something, and they fucking picks up. I think
Speaker 1: it's well, no one underwrites them. Everyone else picks as
Speaker 1: very good. But in terms of the writing that they
Speaker 1: seem to do and the rewriting and the fucking there's
Speaker 1: there's probably not much better guying on in in cinema.
Speaker 1: And I'm very worried about inside out destroyment.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing that's beautiful about inside out too, which
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard, like there's the four new emotions
Speaker 2: of anxiety and on we embarrassment and envy and having
Speaker 2: a my daughter's no. Eighteen, but having walked through those
Speaker 2: teenage years with her and seeing how those four kind
Speaker 2: of overtake yeah, you know things, And I just wish
Speaker 2: I had that as a tool when I was in
Speaker 2: those years because I remember when my daughter's name is
Speaker 2: Loy and when she was on wis kind of bored
Speaker 2: them and she's French and she's on her phone. She's
Speaker 2: like she's really always tired. And I remember when my
Speaker 2: daughter was you know, kind of like that, and I
Speaker 2: was always like, LOI come on, let's do something like
Speaker 2: get up. But just having the affirmation that that's a
Speaker 2: part of the process, you know, like that's to kind
Speaker 2: of like give her that break and also not just me,
Speaker 2: but for her to have felt seen, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like my life is spinning around and embarrassing
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff like you see me
Speaker 2: in that. I mean, it's going to be an incredible
Speaker 2: tool I think for parents.
Speaker 1: Is it a continuation for the director because it's further
Speaker 1: understood inside Out came from his own daughter, from wanting
Speaker 1: to understand why she'd been such a happy kid and
Speaker 1: then she suddenly was and you can understand some of
Speaker 1: the changes that she was going through, and that was
Speaker 1: the inspiration for it. And I'm assuming inside Out too,
Speaker 1: is that once she became a teenager.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that Kelsey Man, who's directing it, it
Speaker 2: came from it, like a he was pitching the second one.
Speaker 2: It came from that personal experience. So I know that's
Speaker 2: a lot to do with it. And just that, I mean,
Speaker 2: just the overhaul that happens. I mean, and not just
Speaker 2: with my daughter, just I remember with me, just that
Speaker 2: kind of like everything just you don't even know what's
Speaker 2: happening to your body, and you're starting to live in
Speaker 2: narratives in your head that are just feel so real
Speaker 2: of what are they're thinking about me? And I wish
Speaker 2: I could be that. I mean, it's just all this
Speaker 2: kind of like Douche take over. You know.
Speaker 1: Well, all right, I guess I'm gonna have to watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're gonna really like it. Man, I
Speaker 2: think you're gonna like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I will see it, but I'm gonna have
Speaker 1: to go and see it on my eye with a
Speaker 1: hoodie because I'll be a wreck.
Speaker 2: And I don't want to know. I want you to.
Speaker 2: I want you to openly cry, and I want you
Speaker 2: to be proud of it. Shut up, Tony. Yeah, I'd
Speaker 2: like to tape it, so I'll come with you in
Speaker 2: our video, the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Tiny, I've I've forgotten to tell you something and I
Speaker 1: should have told you at the beginning, and it's fucking insane.
Speaker 2: What I want is the two hundred times you've had
Speaker 2: to say this. I want that on loop. I want
Speaker 2: that transition over and over and over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over. That's a much hard news sharing with somebody,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: And what's wait about it is you think I'd have
Speaker 1: learned something from how difficult it is, And yet maybe
Speaker 1: this is something you learned from, like a film that Pixar.
Speaker 1: Is that something that difficult to tell? You just block
Speaker 1: it out? And I'm just surprised.
Speaker 2: How you know this? How you know this? Brot? Like,
Speaker 2: how are you able to share this with people? Is
Speaker 2: this a gift you've given?
Speaker 1: Well you died just to bring you up to speak?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, I assumed that. Yeah, how do you
Speaker 2: know that? How do you know? Do I know? Yeah? Oh?
Speaker 1: Because I am at the door. Oh you're at the door?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh what Okay? Is this? Like? Is is this
Speaker 2: a gift you've used often in people's lives?
Speaker 1: Like just choose it about two hundred and ninety.
Speaker 2: I just feel like there's other ways you can use
Speaker 2: this gift, Like you could help a lot of people, maybe.
Speaker 1: By saying it before my heads out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some something like the police could use you somehow,
Speaker 2: Like I think this is a gift, but I mean,
Speaker 2: if you want to sell it's just use it for
Speaker 2: podcast reasons. Man, I get it.
Speaker 1: The thing is I could use it to help the police.
Speaker 2: But I'm busy. Oh I see, I get it. I
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 1: I'm busy, okay, and I'm not sure what what good
Speaker 1: is it doing? Well, I'm going to the police and
Speaker 1: they've died. They died, they died. They'll figure it out
Speaker 1: when they get it.
Speaker 2: That's true. But you could at least talk to it.
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking to me. You could talk to the.
Speaker 1: Who killed you? Who killed you? Have you been kidding?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I was going to ask how you died, Teddy? But
Speaker 1: have you been?
Speaker 2: I was not killed, but I should I was not
Speaker 2: kill Okay, did I share with you how I died? Please?
Speaker 1: I'd loved you too.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this, and I died eating my
Speaker 2: favorite meal. It was a quarter pounded with cheese fries
Speaker 2: and then mcflurry from McDonald's. And that's actually true. That
Speaker 2: is my favorite meal. And then I went to sleep
Speaker 2: and just didn't wake up. That's that sounds like a
Speaker 2: great time for me.
Speaker 1: So how old were you when this happened? What's your
Speaker 1: dream death age?
Speaker 2: Oh, i'd say my dream death age. Well, it's not
Speaker 2: a dream bread because it happened. So I guess, I guess,
Speaker 2: I'm I guess I'm about eighty seven. Okay, yeah, eighty seven? Yeah.
Speaker 3: But have you ever had a mcflury? I have had
Speaker 3: a mcflurry. It's a good last meal. It's really it's
Speaker 3: just what you have in it.
Speaker 2: Eminem's okay, yeah, yeah, but I just didn't wake up
Speaker 2: and that just sounds great.
Speaker 1: You had a massive cornery.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah you did.
Speaker 1: I'm just like you.
Speaker 2: Oh oh okay, damn. This is a gift, Brett, This
Speaker 2: is a gift you really need to like tap into. Man.
Speaker 2: I'm basic told you. I'm busy money. You're busy making money? Man?
Speaker 2: Oh sure?
Speaker 1: How much money there is in telling people how they
Speaker 1: died once they've died?
Speaker 2: Not really? All right? I just okay. Hopefully maybe after
Speaker 2: this you'll be inspired to use it for good. It's
Speaker 2: a good idea.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that. I'm not saying this isn't good,
Speaker 1: but okay, but there are better uses for it. Tell me, really,
Speaker 1: do you worry about deaf? I don't know, Okay, I don't.
Speaker 1: I will say not dying per se.
Speaker 2: The maybe the how I die is something I wonder about. It.
Speaker 2: I hope, I hope I have a mcflurry and die
Speaker 2: in my sleepy you know. But it's that's something I
Speaker 2: do think about.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's enough to I do? Can you
Speaker 1: tell me what you think it is for me? I'll
Speaker 1: tell you if you're.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, man, this gift. I can't wait to see
Speaker 2: what other layers it has. My faith is is a
Speaker 2: large part of my life. It's very important to me.
Speaker 4: And when I die, I'm probably not Probably I'm excited
Speaker 4: to meet and hug and see the being that has strengthened.
Speaker 2: Me and loved me and walked with me throughout my life.
Speaker 1: I like that very much. And I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: you could have it?
Speaker 2: Oh really, oh, Bret Brett, I have been I have
Speaker 2: been waiting for that. Oh damn, man, I.
Speaker 1: Never had someone wanting to hug it. I like that.
Speaker 2: I think I think, I think he's gonna hug me
Speaker 2: much harder than I'm gonna hug him.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, he's but stronger. Yeah he's out.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at me.
Speaker 1: Pretty powerful. Luckily you're in heaven's a going to cross
Speaker 1: your binds. But could date anywhere else, anywhere else.
Speaker 2: That's true. And I also think the whole idea of heaven,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's been a kind of a interesting. I
Speaker 2: don't know if there is a separate heaven, if there's
Speaker 2: kind of a if our earth will be restored and
Speaker 2: redeemed almost one day. This is it's almost a what
Speaker 2: was broken is now healed.
Speaker 1: So cleaned up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I have. Yeah, because in kind of
Speaker 2: the faith community, a lot of it, it looks kind
Speaker 2: of like a new Earth or just restoration more and
Speaker 2: just healing. So we live obviously, as you know, in
Speaker 2: a very broken world that can get really dark and
Speaker 2: that will be restored kind of a thing. Well, you
Speaker 2: can have it, Oh, Brett, please do pre san it.
Speaker 2: This is just my lucky day. Man I oh, I
Speaker 2: have been waiting for this. I didn't know it was
Speaker 2: going to come in the version of you, but mane,
Speaker 2: that's a real West for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of people get here and they go who's
Speaker 1: that and you say, hello, you know who I am? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they go I don't, I don't and I go,
Speaker 1: you just do it.
Speaker 2: Well, And then you go, well, you might want to
Speaker 2: spend some time getting to know maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you might want to listen to some previous vodkas.
Speaker 2: What number am I? By the way, I.
Speaker 1: Can't tell you exactly, but you're probably around the very
Speaker 1: early three hundreds.
Speaker 2: Dude, you are really putting money over helping others with
Speaker 2: this gift you've been I know, I know. Well that's okay.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm here. I sent me to tell you
Speaker 2: that your gift is bigger than this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, shop, God, just keep hugging him. This isn't
Speaker 1: an of your business is having to do with me.
Speaker 1: This is about Tony. Give him the hug. Right, So
Speaker 1: you get to heaven, which is like a bit nicer,
Speaker 1: and God gives you a big hugging. Everyone's very excited
Speaker 1: to see you when it's filled with your favorite thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing? Laughing at Oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: it's like a madhouse. Everyone like the kind of laughing.
Speaker 2: My buddy Greg Bradman and my other buddy, Dusty Brown,
Speaker 2: when we get together, it's like painful laughing. It's the
Speaker 2: kind of where you're you. You have moments where like
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna hurt myself if I if you
Speaker 2: guys keep saying stuff, and that's that's just heaven to me.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: It's all maniaco laughing everywhere you go. And everyone's very
Speaker 1: excited to see you, but they want to talk about
Speaker 1: your life. But they want to talk about your life
Speaker 1: through film. Can you imagine why did you.
Speaker 2: Bring film into it? I like talking about death, right,
Speaker 2: Come on, we can talk about. Is this about film?
Speaker 1: I never have enough talking about death.
Speaker 2: Oh you have a gift, man, don't transfer to film.
Speaker 2: It's a gift. All right.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm interesting that you're not worried about death. You're
Speaker 1: one of the few people who don't worry about death.
Speaker 2: No, well, be to be clear, To be clear, I
Speaker 2: think again, the act of dying is not something that
Speaker 2: I get exactly mean, I don't know how happen because yeah,
Speaker 2: because that's obviously can be very very scary, and also
Speaker 2: my loved ones that really scares me. But but dying
Speaker 2: and that what the act of leaving their theraft does not,
Speaker 2: does not scare me.
Speaker 1: Do you think that that is in part to your
Speaker 1: faith or have you? Have you always been that way?
Speaker 1: Was there a time where you used to be anxious
Speaker 1: about death and that gone? Like I'm I'm I'm asking
Speaker 1: this because it's unusual. Most people tend to say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I worry about dying. Now you know, I worry about death.
Speaker 2: I used to think about death a lot growing up.
Speaker 2: And then I mean this, there's this that sounds very
Speaker 2: maybe cheesy, but my relationship with God is so so
Speaker 2: personal and knowing that there's a there's a power that's
Speaker 2: much higher and much bigger than me that is guiding
Speaker 2: me and over. This is so assuring to me that
Speaker 2: I just know there's a bigger there's a bigger reason
Speaker 2: that I'm going to be then, just it's like another
Speaker 2: It's like to me, it's like when you fall asleep
Speaker 2: and you just kind of go to it. Please, maybe
Speaker 2: on a dream. You know, it's just that kind of
Speaker 2: a transfer. What is it not passing on? Somebody said
Speaker 2: it once anyway, So it's it's it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 2: have the sting of fear to me. Now, keep in mind,
Speaker 2: plenty of plenty of things have I mean, I've done
Speaker 2: with anxiety and fear in my life and plenty of things,
Speaker 2: and that's not that's not necessarily what.
Speaker 1: I'm well, I'm afraid we're gonna have to talk about
Speaker 1: films now. Okay, I've just had it. They've just said,
Speaker 1: They've just said everyone in heavens like, yeah, but we
Speaker 1: do we do like films here Okay, okay, I.
Speaker 2: Mean you're going from like majors to minors, but all right,
Speaker 2: here we go.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it depends on the films. The first
Speaker 1: thing they want to know is what is the first
Speaker 1: film you remember seeing?
Speaker 2: Is that the first question they're asking Brett. Yeah, is
Speaker 2: that what they're saying. Yeah, I'm just please please share
Speaker 2: this gift with the world. Please share this gift. I
Speaker 2: do I do in ninety minute best? Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So the first film, No, no, my memory is not
Speaker 2: great and total fairness, my memory is not good. But
Speaker 2: the first film I remember seeing was Breakfast Club. That
Speaker 2: was That was the because I was a kid of
Speaker 2: the eighties and that was the first film I remember seeing.
Speaker 1: Do you see the cinema?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2: I do have siblings. I have a I have a
Speaker 2: brother who's a lawyer in Atlanta and a sister who's
Speaker 2: a social worker. And I'm North Carolina. Where are you
Speaker 2: in the order? I'm youngest anthe they call me aunt
Speaker 2: just they actually they call me aunt. It's not even Anthony,
Speaker 2: it's Aunt Aunt. I was like, well, that's that's going
Speaker 2: to help the shame that I mentioned earlier. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I did not. I don't know who I went with,
Speaker 2: but I remember seeing it and it just resonating. I
Speaker 2: thought it was the coolest because it represented every group
Speaker 2: in high school. To me, it was kind of like
Speaker 2: obviously the really popular girl, and then the jock, and
Speaker 2: then the goth girl and then the nerdy kid. And
Speaker 2: I was definitely in kind of the nerdy the nerdy group.
Speaker 2: But I just I'd never seen anything like it before.
Speaker 2: Did do you?
Speaker 1: Did it make you unto act? Do you remember that
Speaker 1: a little more? Like you just no?
Speaker 2: I think I just know. I don't. How would always
Speaker 2: do theater in high school and it was like when
Speaker 2: of course I'm just blanking on his name, Judd Nelson,
Speaker 2: when he started dancing on the when they were all
Speaker 2: kind of rocking out, and just that sense of that
Speaker 2: I can speak for myself, but watching these groups which
Speaker 2: are so separate come together in a time of crisis
Speaker 2: and like thinking like, oh, that would be cool, because
Speaker 2: in my head I'm thinking, well, that would be cool
Speaker 2: if she actually thought I was cool. And then you
Speaker 2: know if oh man, they're so kind to like the
Speaker 2: dark goth girl, but then she kind of put him
Speaker 2: to shame, Like you just kind of saw these power
Speaker 2: dynamics going on. You know.
Speaker 1: I watched it again recently on the plane because I'd
Speaker 1: gone through a phase. I I loved it when I
Speaker 1: was young, and then I watched it and I thought
Speaker 1: it was shit. And then I watched it again and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's it isn't shit. And there's
Speaker 1: a bit in it that's really interesting which I'd forgotten,
Speaker 1: which is like towards the end where I think it's
Speaker 1: Anthony Michaelho says will we all hang out on Monday
Speaker 1: when we're in school? And she's like no, And that
Speaker 1: doesn't change, it doesn't get resolved.
Speaker 2: No, But also like what a powerful thing to do
Speaker 2: for a filmmaker to do, just to be like, no,
Speaker 2: let's stick to the truth that they're not going to
Speaker 2: hang out. Yeah, And what pisses me off it was
Speaker 2: her that said it. You know. It was just like
Speaker 2: because he probably been like can we you know, and
Speaker 2: she's like that in front of um it which click
Speaker 2: were you and were you a jock? We did?
Speaker 1: We don't sort of have that in England the way
Speaker 1: that they are in American films.
Speaker 2: What what group? What group were you in? Would you
Speaker 2: say I was like a chameleon? Yeah? Yeah, I think yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just sort of I was a little bit of that.
Speaker 2: I was a little bit kind of like I'll be
Speaker 2: whatever you want me to be if you like me
Speaker 2: kind of thing I was. I was very much that,
Speaker 2: like you want me to wear black and be God,
Speaker 2: I'll do it. You know what is the film that
Speaker 2: made you cry the most? You a crier? I am
Speaker 2: a crier. I like to cry a lot. Actually, you know,
Speaker 2: ashamed of it like me. I don't think you're ashamed
Speaker 2: of it. Shut up. I oh, I'm going to get
Speaker 2: those tears, dang it in this ninety minutes. I uh.
Speaker 2: The thing that the there was a lot and and
Speaker 2: inside out is one of them. I'm not kidding, it's right.
Speaker 2: It's right here because I said, they realize the sadness
Speaker 2: is a part of the equation. But the other one
Speaker 2: that made me really cry was this sounds dark, But
Speaker 2: the Hours? Did you see The Hours? Yes? And it
Speaker 2: was late yep, it was like the nineties in New
Speaker 2: York and I was in a real I was going
Speaker 2: through a really hard time and that movie there's just
Speaker 2: so much despair and so much existential thought, and I
Speaker 2: was just feeling really low and seeing in film just
Speaker 2: the questions they were asking and then the way that
Speaker 2: I don't know, it just it was. It showed the
Speaker 2: power of just just being seen and not giving answers
Speaker 2: for me, because I remember just crying in the theater,
Speaker 2: being like I'm I wasn't like suicidal, but I was
Speaker 2: just really suffering and really sad. And I was like,
Speaker 2: that's how that's how I'm feeling, you know it just
Speaker 2: because a lot of times, and you know this, it's
Speaker 2: like people when you're in heavy places, they're just like,
Speaker 2: you know, it keep going and that's it's going to
Speaker 2: get better, and which is great, but just it was
Speaker 2: like it was like the movie was sitting with me
Speaker 2: and just being sad with me. That's what it felt like.
Speaker 1: And do you think that sort of made you feel better?
Speaker 1: Because it was like, yeah, yeah, just feel this depressed.
Speaker 2: It did. It was heavy, but it was kind of
Speaker 2: like yeah, and it's actually, yeah, something else, but that's yeah,
Speaker 2: that's I think there was just a lot of power
Speaker 2: to kind of like when I was saying about inside
Speaker 2: out too, of like these teenagers seeing them these versions
Speaker 2: of their emotions and not even giving answers, but just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel that I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy for
Speaker 2: feeling that. Yeah, but I cry a lot, like I
Speaker 2: cry at commercials, YouTube video and mainly cry. If somebody
Speaker 2: sends me a YouTube videos of like soldiers coming home,
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, bye bye bye bye. Uh I can't.
Speaker 2: I can't and I'll write back, my wife will send
Speaker 2: it to me, and I'll just write nope, nope.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: You've really justified The Hours. That's really interesting. I think
Speaker 1: that a film that The Hours I struggled with because
Speaker 1: I kind of was like, what's the point of this.
Speaker 1: It's so depressing that I feel like, what are you
Speaker 1: telling me other than life is really really depressing. But
Speaker 1: I had never considered it as your side of it,
Speaker 1: a feeling seen and it making you feel less Alie,
Speaker 1: so you've changed, You've changed my life.
Speaker 2: You're welcome to add to that. I think maybe because
Speaker 2: those people in the movie, you know, the Nicole Kidman
Speaker 2: character and the Ed Harris character, they really the balt
Speaker 2: was going so much into the depression that they just couldn't.
Speaker 2: And I still I did have hope, and I did
Speaker 2: have another side working with me, and so it wasn't
Speaker 2: as dark as them. It was at least I felt
Speaker 2: seen for that side. But back then, maybe it might
Speaker 2: have been back then when I was in this faith community.
Speaker 2: There wasn't a lot of allowance for you know, just
Speaker 2: feeling sad. It was just like hope, hope, hope, and
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, God, all emotions are valid, you know,
Speaker 2: and you're in this This life is shitty and you
Speaker 2: got to walk through it. You know.
Speaker 1: What about being scared? What's the film that scared you
Speaker 1: the most? Do you that being scared?
Speaker 2: No? I don't. I don't like being scared and I'm
Speaker 2: playing fear inside out too. Nightmare and Elm Street was
Speaker 2: definitely the worst because that and actually that's the last
Speaker 2: horror movie I've seen, no way, Yeah, that's the last
Speaker 2: one I've seen. Because here's the thing, like I get
Speaker 2: why people I don't get why, but I can somewhat
Speaker 2: see that people get a kick out of seeing scary things.
Speaker 2: I was so petrified because you know, Freddy could get
Speaker 2: into your dreams and he could like it was you
Speaker 2: weren't escaping from him. That was the whole kind of
Speaker 2: brilliance of that film. You couldn't escape. And my brother
Speaker 2: came in with one of those gloves with like the
Speaker 2: nails on the or the knives on the fingers and
Speaker 2: just heat. To this day, feels bad about it, but
Speaker 2: I was so trying, I was so terrified, and to
Speaker 2: that I just never I can't separate. There's also this
Speaker 2: there is so much fear in the world. I'm like,
Speaker 2: why are we sitting in a room and being scared together?
Speaker 2: And maybe some people, I know, it makes them feel
Speaker 2: alive or they like they feel safe in the fear.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's a component of it. But I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: there was I remember I never saw it, but there
Speaker 2: was one film where someone's like in the basement and
Speaker 2: they're like, have you checked I'm inside the house. That
Speaker 2: whole thing. I just heard that line. I never even
Speaker 2: saw the movie and I just heard that line, and
Speaker 2: I will I remember as a kid or like being
Speaker 2: in a house and being like, well, they're in the basement.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like I have enough of it. I
Speaker 2: have enough of a creative imagination to be like some
Speaker 2: people can see this stuff and go, oh that's fun.
Speaker 2: I see it, and I'm like, someone's after me. I
Speaker 2: gotta I gotta protect me and my family from what
Speaker 2: I just saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I believe that the point of them that
Speaker 1: it's like from what I understand that it's like a
Speaker 1: roller coaster, that there's a safe way of cathartically exercising
Speaker 1: your fears, so your body goes through this like adrenaline
Speaker 1: of rash. There's someone that has all that. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's just a film and
Speaker 1: it ends and you're purged of those terrorsts, supposedly, And
Speaker 1: I think that in my experience, and I like horror films,
Speaker 1: that's true, until occasionally you go too far and then
Speaker 1: you watch one that fucks you up forever and you go,
Speaker 1: I regret that one. Yeah, like that one didn't end
Speaker 1: when the film ended. They're now in my.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would I would say that times a
Speaker 2: hundred for me, like I can't. There's no one that
Speaker 2: I want to walk away and go close the chapter
Speaker 2: on that I'm walking into my house and convinced that
Speaker 2: you know, Jason's in my home, I'm not gonna lock
Speaker 2: all the doors. Ever since I was a kid. I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's because the night might own the
Speaker 2: street or I saw something, but I had this irrational
Speaker 2: fear of looking out the window and just seeing a
Speaker 2: guy staring back at me, or like closing a shade
Speaker 2: and just having a guy right there staring at me,
Speaker 2: forget it. I just forget like I'm already I'm already
Speaker 2: freaked out. I don't need to pay money. I'll watch
Speaker 2: CNN and be justice freaked out. You know. It's like
Speaker 2: I can't. I just have a hard And my wife
Speaker 2: is fascinated by it because she's like, you are an actor,
Speaker 2: like you know, this is not real, and like she'll
Speaker 2: watch the heavy shows like Handmaid's tail or just heavy stuff,
Speaker 2: and I just can't. It's too much for me. And
Speaker 2: she's like, you're an actor, how do you not? And
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, it's different when you're performing it. Then
Speaker 2: when for me when I'm watching it, because there's something
Speaker 2: in my head that's like, yeah, that might not be real,
Speaker 2: but that happened to someone in the world unless it's
Speaker 2: like unless it's like fantasy or something, which I like,
Speaker 2: like Lord of the Rings and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: but if it like really could happen, I'm like, that
Speaker 2: happened to somebody. So why am I wanting to watch
Speaker 2: a representation of that unscreen? You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do interesting. You're sensitive, so he's too way too sensitive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. What is the film that you
Speaker 1: love people don't like it. It is not critically acclaimed,
Speaker 1: but you love it unconditionally.
Speaker 2: Unconditionally is a stretch.
Speaker 1: But with conditions, with condition.
Speaker 2: But probably one that I grew to love is I
Speaker 2: had to see the Taylor swift Eras Tour film with
Speaker 2: my daughter, I think four times, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I need medication after each but like, because it was
Speaker 2: this bonding time with my daughter, I grew to love it.
Speaker 2: And we would sing the songs together and then I
Speaker 2: might every now and then find myself play her songs
Speaker 2: in my car because it like I remember that connection
Speaker 2: we had watching you know the movie together because she
Speaker 2: went to the concert. I didn't go to the concert,
Speaker 2: but we would. She would want me to see the
Speaker 2: movie and we would go. And even one time she
Speaker 2: was having a hard time and I said well, and
Speaker 2: I said, well, let's go to the Aerostour. Let's go
Speaker 2: to the movie and watch Aeros Tour.
Speaker 1: I love it becoming a thing where you're like you're sad, right,
Speaker 1: you seem sad.
Speaker 2: We should be going.
Speaker 1: Let's get no night.
Speaker 2: We need to go watch the other high school musical.
Speaker 2: I remember watching that with her as a kid, and
Speaker 2: it was like a nice like she loved it and
Speaker 2: it was a nice like bonding experience.
Speaker 1: That's very sweet. Well those are Tyler Swift saved cinema,
Speaker 1: so we are grateful.
Speaker 2: I mean, she is just printing cash. She used for good.
Speaker 2: She saved cinema. She did see. Now that's an example
Speaker 2: of how you can use your gift for good. Brett,
Speaker 2: you might want to take notes. I'm so glad. I'm
Speaker 2: so glad God brought me here to share this with you.
Speaker 2: I think this, this three hundredth episode is a moment
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 1: So you're saying a wrap up, wrap up the podcast
Speaker 1: and just go to the police station and just tell
Speaker 1: them where all the bodies are.
Speaker 2: And now listen, if you can have a conversation with me,
Speaker 2: a dead person, you can have a converse. I mean
Speaker 2: think we're talking thousands of people you can have a
Speaker 2: conversation with. I mean you have to be on a
Speaker 2: podcast might to have these conversations. You could have them
Speaker 2: and then you could say I talked to them and
Speaker 2: this is the person that came at him with a knife.
Speaker 1: I'll say I told him this is the person that
Speaker 1: came out with and their favorite film is Eat.
Speaker 2: And then the police will go okay, I don't read
Speaker 2: about them, can you? Can you go to jails? Like No,
Speaker 2: I hear you. But the one that they're really embarrassed
Speaker 2: about that they saw was high school musical.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is swifty, Now there are swifty. Okay, hey, may,
Speaker 5: but I don't really share about tails. I want to
Speaker 5: know exactly the details of the murder. No, no, I
Speaker 5: totally hear you. But the thing that really pricked their
Speaker 5: heart was inside out too.
Speaker 1: What is a film that you used to love? Oh,
Speaker 1: you loved it, Tony, you loved it, but you've watched
Speaker 1: it recently and you've got I don't like this anymore
Speaker 1: because you might have changed.
Speaker 2: Not the film. I might get a lot of flat,
Speaker 2: but big chill, it's the big chill. Go on, okay, many, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a classic film and I recently saw it.
Speaker 2: And there's there's a scene where I forgot her name,
Speaker 2: Mary something. But there's a woman that there's a character
Speaker 2: in the film who's having a hard time getting pregnant.
Speaker 2: She wants to get pregnant, and Glenn closes, character tells
Speaker 2: her husband, Kevin Kleining, you know what, I want you
Speaker 2: to sleep with her tonight. And I'm gonna set up
Speaker 2: the room and you guys, you guys have fun. And
Speaker 2: then the next morning they're just glowing and everything is like,
Speaker 2: isn't that great? And I'm like what. I was watching
Speaker 2: it because I hadnt seen it a long time, and
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, ah, what just happened? And it was.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've been married for twenty one years. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I'm sure they're out there, but
Speaker 2: someone be like, you know what, here's my husband. Just
Speaker 2: go up to my room. I'm gonna make the bed
Speaker 2: really nice. You guys have sex, have a bit. Are
Speaker 2: you gonna tell me something I don't. It's time for
Speaker 2: me to reciprocate. You could use your gifts. You tell
Speaker 2: the gift of marriage to magnate other people. Oh but God,
Speaker 2: God is really using both of us today. I did
Speaker 2: not know that until today. Something I was like jarred
Speaker 2: by in the movie is true? Is your death? Today?
Speaker 2: They say, wonderful gift? Oh my gosh, I can't wait
Speaker 2: to tell all my friend. I can't wait tell my
Speaker 2: wife this. Actually she's going to I think she's going
Speaker 2: to be really receptive. Man. I am so glad I
Speaker 2: came today to thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, what is the film that means the mice
Speaker 1: to you? Necessarily the film itself is any good, but
Speaker 1: the experience you had seeing the film will always make
Speaker 1: it meaningful to you too.
Speaker 2: Oh, goonies, go on, Because that's that's another thing. I
Speaker 2: want my ringtone on my phone to be Brett going
Speaker 2: go on, go on. Hello.
Speaker 1: That could be your text message you let go on
Speaker 1: go on?
Speaker 2: Yeah, goonies because I remember seeing that and I was
Speaker 2: a kid who had pretty bad asthma, and the main
Speaker 2: character carried around his inhaler and I always had. I
Speaker 2: was always so embarrassed to carry on min inhaler and
Speaker 2: I had. I was in and out of like I
Speaker 2: had asthma atacks all the time, and my mom would
Speaker 2: like attach three of them to me on the during
Speaker 2: the day. And when I saw that movie and the
Speaker 2: lead character had asthma and used his inhaler, I was
Speaker 2: like whoa, And it was just I was just not
Speaker 2: expecting it, and it was really like, okay, okay, me
Speaker 2: be Maybe I'm not what I think. Maybe it's not
Speaker 2: cool to have asthma, but like if he can have asthma,
Speaker 2: then maybe I'm not such a freak. Maybe I could
Speaker 2: be a lead maybe I could be a lead character.
Speaker 2: Just the adventure of that movie, I mean it to
Speaker 2: me it was every fantasy. I mean it was the
Speaker 2: film is one big escape room almost. It's like they
Speaker 2: they go through all these things and then they I
Speaker 2: mean I remember playing the bones on the piano and
Speaker 2: just thinking, oh my god, don't hit the wrong note
Speaker 2: to the stone's gonna fall and they're gonna fall down,
Speaker 2: or I mean just all this like going down the
Speaker 2: slide and all the surprises. It was just, man, it
Speaker 2: was just it was every fantasy you want. You know,
Speaker 2: you're just like and then kind of thinking like is
Speaker 2: that gonna happen? And then not just that there's treasure
Speaker 2: at the end, which is like obviously every kid's dream,
Speaker 2: and then who is who is the guy with not
Speaker 2: the monster but like he had really the big guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that guy with like the strand of hair, and just
Speaker 2: how the kid loved him and I'm forgetting their names now,
Speaker 2: but it was just it was really a great, great package.
Speaker 2: That's a lovely that is a lovely answer. And Richard
Speaker 2: Donner directed it. I mean a lot of people think
Speaker 2: Spielberg directed it, but Richard Donner directed it.
Speaker 1: Richard Donner is in the Rob Randy category of like,
Speaker 1: he's one of the greats, made so many fucking classics
Speaker 1: and they're all completely different, different. He's amazing Spielberg producer.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you directed it. Yeah, what's the film you
Speaker 1: might relate to?
Speaker 2: I would say, maybe not related to, but I the
Speaker 2: one that I had Probably maybe this might be the
Speaker 2: last question too, that I might be mixing these, But
Speaker 2: Punch Drunk Love was one that I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: There was something about his awakening, like Adam Saylor's awakening
Speaker 2: in the end when Philip Sumer Hoffmann, he just he
Speaker 2: just lets Philip Seymour Hoffman have it, and just that
Speaker 2: kind of growth pattern of just getting out of yourself
Speaker 2: and working on yourself, and and just in the way
Speaker 2: Paul Thomas Anderson did it. I remember, there was so
Speaker 2: much that's really hard to put into words because there's
Speaker 2: so many things that happened in that watching that film
Speaker 2: for me, of down to like the transitions, those those
Speaker 2: color bars. It was the magical realism of it all
Speaker 2: and how it was done so authentically, and him bashing
Speaker 2: the window and all the sisters and and the piano
Speaker 2: like was like where the what the does a piano me?
Speaker 2: You know, it's just what's going on? And but leaving
Speaker 2: that question up there and not answered, you know, and
Speaker 2: just like and everybody kind of interpreting it, and but
Speaker 2: and just like him him making a mistake and then
Speaker 2: it just blowing up and then just like go in
Speaker 2: and just facing it off. And and oh in that
Speaker 2: time when he's in the car with a is it
Speaker 2: Emily Watson? I think? But and he's in the car
Speaker 2: and and someone he bashes him or something, but he
Speaker 2: just steps out of the car with the bat and
Speaker 2: it's just like just you's just like damn straight man,
Speaker 2: just like yeah, yeah, I mean he just let let
Speaker 2: them have it, let them have it, Let Philip Seymour
Speaker 2: Hoffman have it. And at the same time balanced breaking
Speaker 2: down with his brother in law in that room where
Speaker 2: he started crying. So it was just this like all
Speaker 2: levels of humanity. I just I love that movie. That
Speaker 2: might have been the last question actually instead of Goonies.
Speaker 2: Goonies might be the one that I related to the
Speaker 2: most because he asked me, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, listen, it works, it works at both. Do you
Speaker 1: know that punstrung love? Do you know the theory that
Speaker 1: it's about Superman, that he's Superman.
Speaker 2: Do you know that? I don't know, but I get
Speaker 2: I know what my Google search is going to be tonight.
Speaker 1: Wowman. Anyway, have a look. I have a think about
Speaker 1: it later.
Speaker 2: It's also also just like the surprise that Paul Tammas saying,
Speaker 2: I mean I Magnolia when the frogs come out of
Speaker 2: the sky, and it's just like he's fucking amazing, amazing
Speaker 2: and just but able trusting the process enough to just
Speaker 2: leave it with the question, you know, just leave it
Speaker 2: with a question and not feel the need to answer
Speaker 2: it or put a bow on it. Like leave it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: It's just the thing with Magnanilid with the frogs. I
Speaker 1: once read this thing Magnanali is one of my late
Speaker 1: top ten films, and the film is about death. And
Speaker 1: he had written it and made it after his dad died.
Speaker 1: And I believe he said that the feeling when his
Speaker 1: dad died was so unfathomable. He was like, frogs may
Speaker 1: as well rain from the sky.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And that was kind of the That's where Magnania came from.
Speaker 2: It's like that amazing, and what I love about it
Speaker 2: is even seeing Punchdrug Glove for the first time his work,
Speaker 2: or maybe it was, but anyways, but the process, I
Speaker 2: so was in it, and I was so trusting it
Speaker 2: that when frogs came or I just was, I just
Speaker 2: went along with it, you know, I didn't because he
Speaker 2: just carried it in such a masterful way. You know,
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 1: What is the sexiest film I've ever seen? Tonyhow what
Speaker 1: films have you been in?
Speaker 2: Brog? That's the answer from me.
Speaker 6: No, uh, the sexiest film I thought mine was Mulan
Speaker 6: Rouge because because when I grew up it was like
Speaker 6: the sexiest was like Poor Key's and about last all
Speaker 6: these kind of things, and even today it's like how
Speaker 6: far can we push sex?
Speaker 2: Like how far? And then it's just pretty much sophomore porn,
Speaker 2: you know. But Mulan Rouge was damn dude. Like I
Speaker 2: remember being in the car and hearing you McGregor's voice
Speaker 2: and being like pretending I was him singing, singing that
Speaker 2: song and then when Setne comes down from the sky
Speaker 2: in that club and just like it was the it's
Speaker 2: the one of the most romantic movies. And boz Lermann
Speaker 2: what he it was just it's eye candy and it's
Speaker 2: so beautiful and just when they meet on the roof,
Speaker 2: and I mean, it's I just think it's really sexy.
Speaker 1: It's a great movie. That that's my favorite of his.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: There's so many Brett clips. I went on my phone.
Speaker 2: I got I gotta get I get it. I gotta
Speaker 2: record this stuff. Oh we are recording it perfect, I
Speaker 2: got ye.
Speaker 1: Now, what is objectively objective? Objectively the greatest film of
Speaker 1: all time might not be your favorite, but it's the.
Speaker 2: Gad that's that's a little catch I would say for me.
Speaker 2: For me, Lars and the Real Girl is my one.
Speaker 2: I think one of the one of the best movies
Speaker 2: by you are fucking shit me.
Speaker 1: Do you know you will not know this. The first
Speaker 1: thing that I did was the first big film that
Speaker 1: I co wrote and acted in, is a film called
Speaker 1: Super Bob. You won't know this at all. But in
Speaker 1: the making of it, I think you're about to say,
Speaker 1: but Lars and the Real Girl was our like template,
Speaker 1: was our like thing we watched for tone and mood.
Speaker 1: We were obsessed with. That film was a brilliant, brilliant film.
Speaker 2: It's it's so I mean, I could talk so much
Speaker 2: about it but we're and obviously Ryan Gosling has a
Speaker 2: blow up doll, and you know, it's he's isolated and
Speaker 2: he connects to the blow up doll and all this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. But the scene, so many scenes, but
Speaker 2: the scene that I just fall a pardon is when
Speaker 2: he's putting the doll to death. And it's not just that,
Speaker 2: it's when the community comes together and sits in the
Speaker 2: living room and just sits with him and doesn't say anything.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that to me is like a version
Speaker 2: of the hours sitting with somebody and just being sad
Speaker 2: with them, you know, like it's a picture of what
Speaker 2: I believe God has given community for to see each other,
Speaker 2: to walk with each other when I think God does
Speaker 2: with us like it's it's stunning. It's really stunning. And
Speaker 2: I think the acting is obviously great, and I love
Speaker 2: that movie.
Speaker 1: I love that you've said that has not come up enough.
Speaker 1: It's a fucking great film. I also I think it
Speaker 1: was like not successful enough because I think because the idea,
Speaker 1: the premise of it sounds like a jike and it's
Speaker 1: seems it's absolutely not what the film is. A man
Speaker 1: with a sex style. You're sort of like it is
Speaker 1: not that film, and it is that film but beautiful,
Speaker 1: but and just.
Speaker 2: And it's not even it's not even the grief process.
Speaker 2: But it's how that community accepted that doll, you know.
Speaker 2: And I mean obviously they're probably walking around going that
Speaker 2: doesn't that's a doll, right, But they were like, you
Speaker 2: know what, for him to heal, we need to come
Speaker 2: alongside him and be like introduce this doll into the community.
Speaker 2: It's just like, come on, man, it's so beautiful.
Speaker 1: It is what is the film that you could or
Speaker 1: have what's the mist?
Speaker 2: Over and over again? I think Breakfast Club I could
Speaker 2: watch over and over really because and I don't say
Speaker 2: that about Lars and the Real Girl because Lar's and
Speaker 2: the Real Girl is so emotional to me that I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I don't want to, like, what's the word,
Speaker 2: dissipate it or just to kind of thin it out.
Speaker 2: I want to keep the power of it. But Breakfast
Speaker 2: Club has a real nostalgia to it for me, and
Speaker 2: it's not just a nostalgia. It reminds me this is
Speaker 2: this is getting I don't want to get dark, but
Speaker 2: it reminds me how fleeting this business is and how
Speaker 2: fleeting life is. It's like when I every now and
Speaker 2: then you pass by a graveyard and you're like, yep, yep,
Speaker 2: that's going to happen. That's gonna happen. And you know,
Speaker 2: you look at breakfast Club and obviously those people are
Speaker 2: you know, still alive, but you know older, and they
Speaker 2: used to be the shit and they're you know, you know,
Speaker 2: somebody else is the ship. And it's super cyclical. And
Speaker 2: it reminds me of do not give power to something
Speaker 2: that doesn't can't hold it because it's it's fleeting, you know,
Speaker 2: and we can make good stuff and we can try
Speaker 2: our hardest and we can love, you know, but it's
Speaker 2: not about that. It's about so much more and it's
Speaker 2: just it's always a good reminder. So I always go
Speaker 2: back to that be like, yeah, I'm giving a lot
Speaker 2: of power to this business. That is it's cyclical and
Speaker 2: it's fleeting, and I need to kind of shift myself
Speaker 2: a little bit. Really good, really good, you're really good
Speaker 2: at this. I don't know, man, I don't know. Man.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you you're the one with the gift that
Speaker 2: is not is not sharing it. I'm just here.
Speaker 1: I'm just here to to to share serve you.
Speaker 2: I just don't think this is the place you have
Speaker 2: to stop sharing it. I think you need to use
Speaker 2: it for a greater gooft You can talk to dead.
Speaker 1: Very busy, tiny god, it's.
Speaker 2: Fleeting, man, it's fleeting, and it's cyclical. But you can
Speaker 2: do like eternal ships, like you can really speak into
Speaker 2: dead people's lives and like kill them from the inside out. Anyways,
Speaker 2: if you ever't want.
Speaker 1: To tell me, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have a feeling money is going to take precedence.
Speaker 2: But okay, you're in comedy. You're very funny. What's the
Speaker 2: film that made you laugh about? That's what they want
Speaker 2: to know? What do they they want to know? It?
Speaker 2: All right? The film that I have, I have several,
Speaker 2: not several, out of a few. Bridesmaids made me laugh
Speaker 2: for hard, hilarious, and all of the Christopher Guest movies
Speaker 2: make me laugh really hard, especially Waiting for Guffman. Waiting
Speaker 2: for Guffman. It's so well done and at the time
Speaker 2: it was so new and it just was I mean, Catherine,
Speaker 2: Katherine O'Hara, I want, I want to say Katain Hahn,
Speaker 2: but I get Katherine O'Hara. I met her once and
Speaker 2: I just, I mean, obviously because of Shit's creak and stuff,
Speaker 2: but it's like she you know you we hear the
Speaker 2: like genius words run around a lot. It's like genius, genius,
Speaker 2: and it's like it can kind of get watered down,
Speaker 2: but she really has a touch of the genius where
Speaker 2: I'm like, what she does with character is it's so
Speaker 2: special and so specific and funny to me. I just
Speaker 2: I love her so much. And then Melissa McCarthy and
Speaker 2: Bridesmaids that scene where she's you know, pooping in the
Speaker 2: sink and and just has all the puppies, takes takes
Speaker 2: off the puppies from the bridle shower and she's like, listen, man,
Speaker 2: they gave them to me, so I took him. And
Speaker 2: I think rose byrne in that is so funny. I mean,
Speaker 2: every it's just a really good obviously. Kristen Wegg oh oh,
Speaker 2: I will say this what I enjoy watching. I don't
Speaker 2: know if they're doing for Christopher guests, but my favorite
Speaker 2: thing to watch is the Bridesmaid bloopers on YouTube because
Speaker 2: watching them watching them crack themselves up is so so funny.
Speaker 2: I will look for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tony Haile, you have been an absolute fucking delight.
Speaker 1: Beyond the delight. I've loved this. However, when you were
Speaker 1: eighty seven years old, you had a quarter pounder with
Speaker 1: cheese with flies and flurry and eminem at flurry, and
Speaker 1: you went home to bed. You got in your bed
Speaker 1: and you peacefully closed your eyes, and then in your
Speaker 1: sleep you had a massive coronary and you're explained, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a huge, huge, like huge, oh you know, like
Speaker 1: horror your chest like a sleep first.
Speaker 2: First, I want my family to see that.
Speaker 1: I know, but that's luckily lucky for you. I'm walking
Speaker 1: past river coffin, you know what. I'm like, It's late
Speaker 1: at night and I'm like this this Tinese place. I
Speaker 1: don't want his family see it. So I come in
Speaker 1: the room and I I was chest explaining this sleep.
Speaker 1: We didn't feel anybody.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: There's everywhere, and your wife's asleep. So I'm having to clean.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 1: You're bigger than I was expecting. So I'm having to
Speaker 1: like quietly.
Speaker 2: Just like we don't need to get into that.
Speaker 1: Okay, put you in the coffin, jam you in, right,
Speaker 1: But it's absolutely jammed in the there's there's jam. There's
Speaker 1: no room in it. There's only enough room for me
Speaker 1: to slip one DVD into the side, all right, man,
Speaker 1: and on the other side, O fat movie. Now yeah, okay, okay, great, well,
Speaker 1: it's my fault.
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 1: They were out of the right size coffin. It's just
Speaker 1: very small coffee. Okay, it's having to do with you.
Speaker 1: It's decide the coffee, all right, Okay, there's only enough
Speaker 1: room to to put one DVD in the side if
Speaker 1: you just take across to the other side. And on
Speaker 1: the other side, which is also here, it's Maybe night
Speaker 1: every night. Everyone's laughing. What is the film you are
Speaker 1: taking to show the people of heaven and f when
Speaker 1: it is your Maybe night?
Speaker 2: First of all, great job, all right, sure, great job,
Speaker 2: great job, Brett. My answer to that is, for twelve years,
Speaker 2: every summer, my family gets together and I do a
Speaker 2: little iMovie clip with music, and I put all videos
Speaker 2: together on the side movie and they're like twelve minutes long.
Speaker 2: I would combine all those into a DVD and I
Speaker 2: I would lay those up on me. That's what I
Speaker 2: want to take. That's a really nice sense. Do you
Speaker 2: walk into people's home. Do you just freely walk into
Speaker 2: people's homes in addition to speaking into their lives?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but always with a coffin, like as in, it
Speaker 1: ain't great for the people in the house who aren't dead,
Speaker 1: like it is always like oh.
Speaker 2: And they also don't make it up, so it's like
Speaker 2: sometimes they just cut you.
Speaker 1: Okay, you'll like it because sometimes I make a noise
Speaker 1: because they're banging the coffin up the stairs.
Speaker 2: Like a large cop because I'm a pretty big dude.
Speaker 1: This is also it's on me a bit because it's
Speaker 1: probably more efficient. We can bring the body downstairs, but
Speaker 1: I bring the coffee up.
Speaker 2: But man, I exploded like full on, like yeah, you
Speaker 2: were some kind of popcorn. So that was it was
Speaker 2: a mess. Well thank you for doing that man that
Speaker 2: mental locke.
Speaker 1: Say oh yeah, yeah, they didn't see any of this.
Speaker 2: Casual. That was worse, no worse.
Speaker 1: Tell me, is there anything people should be listening to,
Speaker 1: watching looking out for in the coming weeks and months?
Speaker 1: Inside Out Too? I believe it's the main one. Is
Speaker 1: there anything else?
Speaker 2: Inside Out Too? And then that series I did Italy
Speaker 2: is coming out. It's called The Camera and it's on
Speaker 2: Netflix on have you heard of the Netflix? The Netflix?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Is that? Yeah, that's it's nice to support a startup company,
Speaker 2: so we're we decided to go with them.
Speaker 1: Is it a comedy drama?
Speaker 2: It's a very dark, dark comedy takes place during the
Speaker 2: Black Plague, and it's really fun. This woman, this incredibly
Speaker 2: talented woman named Kathleen Jordan, was the showrunner and a
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of your people, a lot of ukres.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Toney, thank you for the inspiration. And I
Speaker 1: and I've really enjoyed our time together. And perhaps I
Speaker 1: will use this gift for for better.
Speaker 2: That'd be nice.
Speaker 1: And I hope that you use your gift of of
Speaker 1: marriage that we've now worked out the what it was for.
Speaker 2: I just cannot wait to tell my wife. I really
Speaker 2: think she's good to love it. Can I tell her
Speaker 2: that you approved? All right? Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah? Yeah, okay, great.
Speaker 2: I mean cut to you going like coming home and
Speaker 2: be like, well, your husband died, so I'm Brett. I'm Brett.
Speaker 2: That's dark, all right, dude. It's so nice meeting you man,
Speaker 2: so nice. I've loved this. Have a wonderful death. I
Speaker 2: will stopped the recording. Good day to you.
Speaker 1: Sir so that was episode three hundred and four. Head
Speaker 1: over to the Patreon at patreon dot com Forward Slash
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Speaker 1: the most to you and why it's a lovely thing
Speaker 1: to read and people really like reading them and my
Speaker 1: neighbor more in cries. Thank you so much to Tony
Speaker 1: for being so open giving me his time, being so brilliant.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Scrubier's PIP and the Distraction Pieces Network. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Buddy Peace for producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia and
Speaker 1: Will Ferrell's Big Money Players Network for hosting it. Thanks
Speaker 1: to Adam Richardson for the graphics and needs to Ladam
Speaker 1: for the photography.
Speaker 2: Come and join me next.
Speaker 1: Week for another excellent guest. But that is it for now.
Speaker 1: In the meantime, have a lovely week and please be
Speaker 1: excellent to each other.
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