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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Brady. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is all they called

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Paul.

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Speaker 1: Mission Control deconds. Most importantly, you are you, You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. Uh, folks. In a recent chat with our

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Speaker 1: pal Jake Hamrahan over a popular front UH, the subject

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Speaker 1: of the Clinton dynasty came up. As everybody knows longtime listeners,

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Speaker 1: Jake is a UK resident. He does excellent work in

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Speaker 1: conflict reporting, and he's got his finger on the pulse

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Speaker 1: of pretty much all thinks shady across the globe. Like

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Speaker 1: many of our fellow conspiracy realists in the audience today,

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Speaker 1: Jake has always been curious about what dirt may exist

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Speaker 1: in the closet of this American political dynasty. So we're

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Speaker 1: returning to that in today's episode. We're gonna introduce and

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Speaker 1: analyze some of the most longstanding accusations of the Clintons

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Speaker 1: and see whether we can separate fact from fiction here. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Note we looked at a few of these during the

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Speaker 1: Trump Clinton campaigns, where we created episodes on each respective campaign,

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Speaker 1: but today we're diving more in depth with the benefit

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Speaker 1: of retrospect. These stories, these theories date back decades, so

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Speaker 1: we're going to consider this a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: deeper dive into some of the more prominent ideas and accusations,

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Speaker 1: as well as what I would argue is the more

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Speaker 1: important part and introduction to the larger dangers and implications involved. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In the interests of full disclosure, of course, you could

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Speaker 1: technically say, and this is hilarious to me, guys, you

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Speaker 1: could technically say that three members of the Clinton family

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Speaker 1: are our coworkers. Yeah, we would play golf with Bill

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Speaker 1: every now and again. I know it's not true. We've

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Speaker 1: never met any of them, and we have nothing to

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Speaker 1: and none of us have touched either Bill, Hillary or

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Speaker 1: met Bill Clinton, but briefly, and I didn't talk with

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Speaker 1: him about Whitewater, to be clear. So that in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: Clinton political dynasties. The other one, not related, is the

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Speaker 1: family of a founding father and former vice president, George Clinton.

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Speaker 1: He was vice president twice in the early eighteen hundreds,

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Speaker 1: you said, Matt, how did it balloon to fifty plus people? Um?

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Speaker 1: And also another question, how does this accusation have so

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Speaker 1: much staying powered still kicking around today? A UM Georgia

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Speaker 1: politician named Marjorie Taylor Green recently co signed it. Can

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Speaker 1: I say really quickly? I was, I think it's a

433
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Speaker 1: similar thing though it's a similar talking point to bring

434
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Speaker 1: up this antiquated kind of anti democrat, you know, line

435
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: that's been debunked, uh, and just like get some attention

436
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Speaker 1: in the same way that other candidate was like destroyed

437
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Speaker 1: the gorg Georgia guidestones because they're satanic. I was just

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Speaker 1: thinking's funny, you said, Because I was thinking, and there

439
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Speaker 1: were other folks, there were folks in the media who were, um,

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Speaker 1: who really wanted to push this story without maybe investigating

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Speaker 1: it as much as they should have. One that really

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Speaker 1: stands out is news Max publisher Christopher Ruddy, now who died,

443
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Speaker 1: who's on this list that depends on who you ask.

444
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Speaker 1: There are multiple versions of the list now such that

445
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Speaker 1: there's not really one canonical version we could call it,

446
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Speaker 1: And in each death, the story goes these associates, colleagues,

447
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Speaker 1: or normal citizens were just about to testify against the Clintons,

448
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Speaker 1: only to die a mysterious circumstances. While the list does

449
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Speaker 1: have a lot of different additions and remixes, there are

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Speaker 1: several names that pop up multiple times. We talked about

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Speaker 1: a few of them previously. One example would be Vincent W. Foster,

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Speaker 1: former deput White House counsel. He was found dead um

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Speaker 1: right outside d C in July. There was an autopsy

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Speaker 1: that ruled he had been He died due to suicide.

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Speaker 1: He took his own life. He was shot in the mouth,

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Speaker 1: no other wounds. His death was ruled a suicide by

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Speaker 1: five different, five separate investigations. Yeah, but I mean, there's

458
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Speaker 1: still weirdness. There are guys and I can't look away

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Speaker 1: from the Vince Foster thing. It's so weird. This dude

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Speaker 1: grew up a cross the street from the Clintons. He

461
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Speaker 1: was very prominent in Arkansas when the Clinton when Bill

462
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Speaker 1: Clinton was doing his thing over there as governor, so uh.

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Speaker 1: And he's he's even the person who got Hillary Clinton

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Speaker 1: into the Rose Law firm that we mentioned in our

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Speaker 1: previous episode, Like he was the mentor for Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 1: So he definitely knew about some skeletons, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: he must have just by the nature of his work

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Speaker 1: and his proximity to them. It feels weird to me.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that you can conclusively prove that he

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Speaker 1: was killed because again, of those five investigations then, but

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Speaker 1: it's still odd to me. But again, like they they

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Speaker 1: they were always bringing in people from their little rock

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Speaker 1: in our circle and and giving them jobs and replacing

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Speaker 1: people in the administration, Like there was this whole scandal

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Speaker 1: with like the travel um team or whatever or yeah,

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Speaker 1: where they where they replaced, you know, a kind of

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Speaker 1: unceremoniously replaced these you know, appointees or these employees there

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Speaker 1: with you know full they knew from back and little Rock.

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Speaker 1: And I spent a decent bit of the morning watching

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Speaker 1: this talk from the journalist James Stewart who wrote a

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Speaker 1: book called blood Sport that was about the kind of

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Speaker 1: Clinton uh dynasty and and all of these scandals and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And there's a really interesting part of the Q and

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Speaker 1: A where this various southern little rock sounded gentleman in

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Speaker 1: the audience. And it's in New York. It's at the

486
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Speaker 1: ninety second Street. Why, he says, you know, I gotta

487
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Speaker 1: tell you, so, I found your book to be a

488
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Speaker 1: bit of a snooze because of course this so this

489
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Speaker 1: is just how it's done in Arkansas. Everybody scratches each

490
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Speaker 1: other's backs, and you know it's in it for the cronies,

491
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Speaker 1: and you know, everyone's trying to enrich each other, and

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Speaker 1: people are just pretty bold about it. I just and

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Speaker 1: the guys like, well, sir, well you may have found

494
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Speaker 1: it a snooze because you're so close to this and

495
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Speaker 1: know all about it. Like I was talking about id

496
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Speaker 1: he had like a you know, mother in law's judges

497
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Speaker 1: and stuff like that, like all these close ties. Uh,

498
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Speaker 1: everyone else didn't know about it. And I certainly didn't

499
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Speaker 1: find it to be a snooze. But man, it's true

500
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Speaker 1: little rock. And and uh, you know, Arkansas politics very backscratchy.

501
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Speaker 1: And you know, you do me a favor, I'll do

502
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Speaker 1: you one. Not every government is Singapore, it turns out

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Speaker 1: with Foster, I want to say that part of the

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Speaker 1: part of the circumstances leading to his death are pretty

505
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Speaker 1: tragic and involved mental health. Uh, he was suffering from depression,

506
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Speaker 1: but he was very concerned that if he saw a

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Speaker 1: psychiatrist it would cost him his security clearance, which is

508
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Speaker 1: a thing that can happen to people. But we just

509
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Speaker 1: have to be careful because if you know, just because

510
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Speaker 1: someone is depressed doesn't mean they killed themselves. Right, It's

511
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Speaker 1: like one of those things, like it's a possibility, it

512
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Speaker 1: leans more credence to it, right, it's just more any

513
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: more evidence than that though, So yeah, that's why. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what I was going to say, Like, this is

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Speaker 1: something that could be considered a factor to think about,

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Speaker 1: but it is far from a conclusive thing. And for

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Speaker 1: people who do believe that Foster was murdered or maybe

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Speaker 1: driven to suicide, which is another another idea than those

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Speaker 1: five separate investigations, to that perspective, are only gonna be

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Speaker 1: five different iterations of a cover up, right, So then

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Speaker 1: the question becomes one of influence. Who could have that

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Speaker 1: amount of influence over five separate investigations. This is only

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Speaker 1: one again, of fifty something people. We also mentioned seth

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Speaker 1: Rich in the past. He was murdered. Uh He was

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Speaker 1: a d n C Democratic National Committee staff member, and

526
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Speaker 1: folks started speculating that Hillary Clinton had arranged his death.

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Speaker 1: If you dig a little deeper past the headlines there,

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Speaker 1: what you'll find is the heart of that speculation is

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Speaker 1: based on a Fox News report that originally said seth

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Speaker 1: Rich was the one responsible for the wiki lease release

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Speaker 1: of d n C emails during that campaign. But what

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Speaker 1: a lot of people don't acknowledge is that Fox later

533
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Speaker 1: retracted that story. And as we know, the Fox News

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Speaker 1: of this time of it's very different from the Fox

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Speaker 1: News of And also, you know, very it's incredibly rare

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Speaker 1: nowadays for mass media outfits to publish retractions, right for

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Speaker 1: for a pundant to go, especially in entertainment news, which

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Speaker 1: is what foxes legally is. It's increasingly rare for one

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Speaker 1: of those pundits to say we got this wrong, which

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Speaker 1: is why you can see so many programs like Last Week, Tonight,

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Speaker 1: UM or Daily Show pointing out obviously contradictory statements by

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Speaker 1: some of those pundits. It's still odd for me to

543
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Speaker 1: think back about the set of the seth Rich story

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Speaker 1: and how explosive the John Podesta emails were. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it spawned an entire conspiracy theory like genre of pizza gate, right,

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Speaker 1: and and just how damaging those emails were to the

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Speaker 1: Clinton campaign in um, it did feel at the time

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Speaker 1: like somebody was going to pay for it, right, whether

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Speaker 1: politically or you know, uh, physically. Um. And then when

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Speaker 1: Seth Riche was killed, I remember being less skeptical about

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Speaker 1: it in the moment, about it being involved in some

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Speaker 1: way with the Clinton campaign or the Democratic Party in

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Speaker 1: some way. Uh. But looking back now from this far away,

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Speaker 1: it does feel like the connection maybe isn't as is

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Speaker 1: not as strong, especially given what you just stated about that, uh,

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Speaker 1: that Fox News story. We're gonna pause here for word

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Speaker 1: from our sponsors, and as long as we don't end

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Speaker 1: up on a body account, we'll be right back. And

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Speaker 1: we've returned, and again the list continues to grow. One

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Speaker 1: recent edition was Jeffrey Epstein when he died under a

561
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Speaker 1: questionable circumstances in check out our three part series on

562
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Speaker 1: that look. Without naming off all fifty something people brought

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Speaker 1: up in these various lists, there's one question is most

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Speaker 1: immediate to me. That's something that's worth unpacking. Given that

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Speaker 1: the US president, remember they are in general, is one

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Speaker 1: of the most scrutinized people in the world, like up

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Speaker 1: there with the Pope and the Queen of England. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And given that Clinton's political opponents successfully meticulously nailed down

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Speaker 1: every possible detail of anything that could take him down,

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Speaker 1: take him from power, culminating in a non political scandal

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Speaker 1: like an extra marital affair, why would they have not

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Speaker 1: used any one of these deaths as a perfect opportunity

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Speaker 1: to put the nail in the coffin of his career. Right?

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Speaker 1: Obviously they would have. That was part of their mission.

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Speaker 1: Why were they not able to do so? Was there

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Speaker 1: a cover up? Did someone have dirt on every single

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Speaker 1: GOP operative? Also, I want to say, in addition of Podesta,

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Speaker 1: that sparked another another conspiracy theory that has some even

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Speaker 1: more plausible roots, which is Wiki leaks collusion with a

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Speaker 1: couple of other third party actors. But okay, so that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. If they if it was there, if you

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Speaker 1: could prove forget thirty, forget fifty, if you could prove one,

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Speaker 1: then you could end that career. Why didn't they? Uh?

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Speaker 1: The other issues with this theory are, are this kind

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Speaker 1: of a numbers game. I hate to say it, any

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Speaker 1: successful politician, let alone a career politician who gets to

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Speaker 1: be the president, they're going to have a much bigger

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Speaker 1: social circle right there, in a lot more rolodexes, they

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Speaker 1: interact with many more people. And this leads me the

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Speaker 1: following statement, I want to see what you got. Think

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Speaker 1: this might be a little cold, but it's worth saying. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: at this point now our lives, everyone listening has probably

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Speaker 1: known someone who passed away through some some tragedy, right,

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Speaker 1: And it is possible then that with the right cherry

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Speaker 1: picking of facts, you had a motivated enemy or opponent.

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Speaker 1: How hard would it be for them to ascribe this

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Speaker 1: death to you? You know, it's again it's cold to

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Speaker 1: frame it that way, but it gives us a sense

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Speaker 1: of the possible logical fallacies here. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: people you know have passed away, you are connected to them.

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Speaker 1: How how difficult is it to curate a remix the

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Speaker 1: facts surrounding your relationship and the facts surrounding their death

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Speaker 1: such that it looks like you were somehow involved. I

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Speaker 1: think that's too crazy, No I I I think you're right,

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Speaker 1: But also it feels way more suspicious when those people

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Speaker 1: close to you who have died are responsible for protecting you,

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Speaker 1: like bodyguards or secret service members or people who would

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Speaker 1: witness the places you go and the people you interact with,

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Speaker 1: because it's their job to know what you're doing. When

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Speaker 1: I think that's why it feels so suspicious to everyone

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Speaker 1: when you encounter some of the concepts or even the theories,

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Speaker 1: no matter how loosely based they are on reality. Right

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Speaker 1: when when you when you first read it and you

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Speaker 1: first see it, you're like, oh wow, that would make

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Speaker 1: sense that bodyguard would have seen who he was with

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Speaker 1: that night. It's also easy to fall into the whole

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Speaker 1: whether it's smoked. There's fire fallacy, which you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it can be true, certainly, but in this situation it

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily feel like it holds water. Um, but be

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Speaker 1: you're right, man, I mean, there are people that are

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Speaker 1: in close proximity or involved in things that would be

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Speaker 1: inconvenient to you know, the Clintons, So it is easy

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Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, make that leap mentally. It's

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Speaker 1: talking specific lee, I think about the and tell me

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Speaker 1: if I'm off base here, specifically about the twelve or

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Speaker 1: so Clinton bodyguards who are deceased, and this is a

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Speaker 1: good opportunity for us to talk a little bit about connections.

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Speaker 1: Three of those people, Brian Haney, Timothy Saville, and William Barkley. Oh,

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Speaker 1: for Scott Reynolds as well, and I think about it.

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Speaker 1: They died in a helicopter crash in May. They were

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Speaker 1: members of something called Marine Helicopter Squadron one, responsible for

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Speaker 1: transporting the president. Uh. They died when they were on

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Speaker 1: a UM pretty much like a maintenance flight in a

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Speaker 1: black Hawk helicopter. Officially no evidence of sabotage, but Clinton

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Speaker 1: his association there is that he had been in that

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Speaker 1: aircraft only one time, and it was two months earlier,

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Speaker 1: and people know where he went. He went from the

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Speaker 1: White House to the U. S s. Theodore Roosevelt. So

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Speaker 1: how solid is that connect? You know, it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a question worth asking. Um. It's also not the first

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Speaker 1: time body counts have been used in this way. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I know, you're absolutely right, especially when you like when

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Speaker 1: you break when you look at each one individually, Like

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Speaker 1: there's a Snopes article then that you mentioned in in

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Speaker 1: today's outline that points to the individual you know, humans

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Speaker 1: the accounts right of each person who's listed on these bodies,

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Speaker 1: on these body counts, And if you look at it

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Speaker 1: hard enough and you actually look at the information that's

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Speaker 1: presented there in the circumstance, it gives you that feeling

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Speaker 1: of oh, there, why would these people have been killed

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Speaker 1: the president had just gotten into the White House. Why

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Speaker 1: would they all die in a helicopter accident like that?

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Speaker 1: Why would that be a planned thing? It doesn't make sense,

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Speaker 1: um But if you just hear about it in passing

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Speaker 1: without getting those details, it feels way more real. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's true, it's impactful, and it's built to be so, honestly,

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Speaker 1: and this is not saying that people who are creating

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Speaker 1: these lists were acting and bad faith. It may sincerely

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Speaker 1: believe what they're saying. And you know, again exercising humans

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Speaker 1: amazing gift for pattern recognition. But let's talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about how body counts have existed in other realms

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Speaker 1: of politics in the past. I mean, I think it

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Speaker 1: it really does tails nicely into your whole point ban

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Speaker 1: about this the circles that these types of people you

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Speaker 1: know and habit, and just how um large they can be,

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Speaker 1: and how it's easy to draw parallels between the people

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Speaker 1: that it's to the center of such a massive and

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Speaker 1: influential circle of people. Um, it's it's easy to kind

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Speaker 1: of like pick apart, you know, oh, well, these people

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Speaker 1: were all related to the Clintons who were in the

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Speaker 1: center of this circle. But the circle is so big

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Speaker 1: and encompasses so many different competing interests with all different

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Speaker 1: kinds of motivations, and and and who knows, you know,

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Speaker 1: what could have caused these things, And it's just easy

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Speaker 1: to kind of like your mind to trace it directly

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Speaker 1: to the center. But you're right. Body counts are a

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Speaker 1: thing Snopes website that I think we all love dearly.

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Speaker 1: UM points out listing, you know, an inventory um documenting

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Speaker 1: all the allegedly suspicious quote unquote deaths of persons connected

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Speaker 1: with the assassination John F. Kennedy have been circulating for decades,

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Speaker 1: and the same techniques used to create and spread the

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Speaker 1: JFK lists have been employed in the Clinton version. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's selective bias. You know, list every possible

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Speaker 1: dead person been, as you point out, regardless of how

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Speaker 1: you know, slight or vague that connection weight maybe, and

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Speaker 1: it's easy to chase it back to the most influential,

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Speaker 1: big fish in that pond, and in this case is

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Speaker 1: the Clinton's. Yeah, but I want to see the Nixon

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Speaker 1: and lb J body counts, like i'ven't ever delved into those.

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Speaker 1: That's that's next on my list. Yeah, I want to

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Speaker 1: see the Hoover body counts, the Cleveland, the Cleveland, Grover Cleveland,

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Speaker 1: that son of a guy. Uh Yeah. And then also,

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Speaker 1: all the deaths are This is just a little bit

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Speaker 1: of mechanics language in propaganda. All the deaths are framed

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Speaker 1: as mysteriarous, regardless of whether evidence may point to a

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Speaker 1: solid explanation. You can use some uh what skeptics called

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Speaker 1: weasel words, which I think skeptics throw that around too often.

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Speaker 1: But you can have tricky detracting language, little like Darren

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Speaker 1: Brown esque primers. Just say it's officially declared a suicide.

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Speaker 1: Officially and declared implies strong doubt, even when there's nothing

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Speaker 1: that indicates it other than the words officially and declared.

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Speaker 1: And then of course ignore information that contradicts the results.

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Speaker 1: You want confirmation bias. Baby, Consider that Thompson, the originator

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Speaker 1: of this idea, later admitted she had no direct evidence

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Speaker 1: of the Clinton's killing anyone. She said the deaths were

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Speaker 1: probably caused by quote people trying to control the president.

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Speaker 1: And she wouldn't say who those people were, but because

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Speaker 1: it's a juicier story to say that Clinton himself and

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Speaker 1: his spouse were infernal architects of a criminal empire. People

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Speaker 1: just forgot this stuff the original person set and kind

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Speaker 1: of put the story into like make it their own,

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Speaker 1: their own version of what they liked. Uh, kind of

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Speaker 1: like how in Marvel movies, Wolverine kind of becomes the uh,

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Speaker 1: the leader of the X Men, even though historically that's

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Speaker 1: Cyclops and Professor X. It just made for a better story.

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Speaker 1: So we did find uh. You know, you can see

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Speaker 1: extensive list and get them from a variety of sources

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Speaker 1: we recommend. But if you look at the examination the

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Speaker 1: way we did, one at a time, through various lists

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Speaker 1: and various reportings around these deaths, you'll see that a

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Speaker 1: lot of the connections are scanty at best. One example,

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Speaker 1: make this real quick. Mary Mahoney, former White House intern,

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Speaker 1: was gunned down while trying to stop a robbery in

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Speaker 1: the Georgetown Starbucks. There were a couple of reasons why, uh,

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Speaker 1: people believed she was on the Clinton body count. First, Uh,

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Speaker 1: she was a manager of the Starbucks after she was

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Speaker 1: an intern, and there were allegations that she was about

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Speaker 1: to testify regarding sexual harassment. And another piece of evidence

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Speaker 1: people believed here was that three people died and what

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Speaker 1: very much was a robbery, but nothing was taken. So

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Speaker 1: they thought, hey, this is a murder. There's a hit

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Speaker 1: made to look like a robbery. But what they forgot

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Speaker 1: is that if you're ever thinking at that level of sophistication,

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Speaker 1: you take something. What happened later, by the admission of

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Speaker 1: the perpetrator who was imprisoned, was that he didn't intend

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Speaker 1: to kill people. Mahoney tried to take the gun from him,

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Speaker 1: he fatally shot her, fatally shot the other two employees.

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Speaker 1: Realized gun shots in Georgetown, d c. Will attract attention,

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Speaker 1: so he ran because he didn't have to think. He

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Speaker 1: had time to get the register. The other piece is that, uh,

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Speaker 1: just before the Monica Lewinsky scandal breaks, a guy named

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Speaker 1: Mike is a cough over Newsweek drops a hint and

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Speaker 1: he says a quote former White House staffer with the

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Speaker 1: initial M is going to talk about having an affair

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Speaker 1: with Clinton. Later history would prove that the m referred

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Speaker 1: to was Monica Lewinsky, not Mary Mahoney. Look, look, this

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Speaker 1: is me speculating. This is not based in reality. I'm

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Speaker 1: imagining that if Bill Clinton is having some relations sexual

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Speaker 1: in nature with one intern woman, what yeah with that woman?

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Speaker 1: What about that other woman? I mean, he was pretty

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Speaker 1: notorious throughout his career for having sexual relations with women

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Speaker 1: who are not Hillary, tomcat Man seriously. So my only

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Speaker 1: thing is, like, you could totally see why people may

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Speaker 1: have speculated about that things, just as you said, Ben,

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Speaker 1: But um, there is a there's a version of this

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Speaker 1: where it makes total sense that someone would take out

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Speaker 1: one of these interns who was going to speak. Why

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Speaker 1: would they do that to marry and not to Monica?

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Speaker 1: Right right, So, to answer your question, Mahoney's death occurs

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Speaker 1: in and the Lewinsky scandal goes public in January, and

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Speaker 1: the murder of Mahoney occurs in July of so between

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Speaker 1: January and July. So, given all this information, is clear

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Speaker 1: that not all these claims on this list can be

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Speaker 1: taken in face value. But just because one theory might

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Speaker 1: not hold up doesn't mean there's nothing else out there. Actually,

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Speaker 1: now that we're now that we're sinking our teeth into

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Speaker 1: this folks, we are going to make this a two parter.

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Speaker 1: Typically we like to plan these in advance, but there's

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Speaker 1: a lot more to dive into the Clinton Foundation, white Water, Benghazi,

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Speaker 1: of course, the emails, and as we promise, what I

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Speaker 1: argue is the bigger Dane you're here, the larger implications

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Speaker 1: this sort of stuff, everything we're talking about has for

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Speaker 1: the present and the future. So we're gonna pause. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna call this part one. We're going to return in

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Speaker 1: a few days with part two of our deep dive

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