1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to 2 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much 3 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Let's hear it for the patron Saint 4 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: of our podcast, our super producer, mister Max Williams, the 5 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: patron Saint of all podcasts, Saint Maximus, Saint Maximus, I 6 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: love the wise. What would you be a patron saint 7 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: of noel? Oh? Gosh? What? Uh oh? Let me let 8 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: me think on that. Okay, okay, Ben, I've got um. 9 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: I think you know. I feel like I would be 10 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: a good patron saint of travel to obscure places. I 11 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: like it. I'll be the patron Saint of modesty, and 12 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: I'll be the best damn patron saint of modesty that 13 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: there ever was ever. No one could ever beat me 14 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 1: because I'm the patron Saint of modesty, right? Could I 15 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: be the patron Saint of difficult cats? Not like cats 16 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: that are the trouble, but like that demand a lot, 17 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: totally can't You could also be the patron Saint of 18 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: curling of folks. If you haven't put it together quite yet, 19 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: this is an episode about patron saints because we three 20 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: non popes are still very interested in so much of 21 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: Catholic history and patron saints in particular. We talked about 22 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: this a few times off air. For a lot of people, 23 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: I think the idea of saints in Christianity feels a 24 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: little bit odd, right because christian it is monotheistic. There's 25 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: only one God, right, so why would you pray to 26 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: someone else? Well, I mean, you don't see the same 27 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: canon of saints in Protestant Christianity as you do in Catholicism, right, 28 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: Like they're not like imbued with mystical powers per se, 29 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: right right, Yeah, And saints occur in other religions and denominations. 30 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: But I think most of us when we hear the 31 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: word saint, we think of a Catholic saint, and in Catholicism, 32 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: a saint as a person who is believed to have 33 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: a special connection with God, a closeness of sorts, And 34 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: the idea is that these saints can intercede on your behalf, 35 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: a kind of heavenly advocate and patron saints or advocates 36 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: for very particular stuff. It could be a nation, it 37 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: could be a town or a city, it could be 38 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. Yeah, it could be like a 39 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: particular discipline, you know, crafts or whatever it might be. 40 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: And a lot of times folks that associate themselves with 41 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: these particular you know, disciplines or families or classes or 42 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: whatever it might be, may where either some sort of 43 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: talisman I guess let's call it. That might not be 44 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: the right term in Catholicism, but you know, some sort 45 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: of trinkets perhaps that represents that saint, like a Saint 46 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: Christopher's metal is a very popular one, for example. Yeah, 47 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: and saints also, of course, have other forms of veneration 48 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: and commemoration, like feast days. Here's the thing. You probably 49 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: have heard of patron saints. Saint Christopher's a great example, 50 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: but you might you've almost certainly not heard of all 51 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: of them. And if you're not Catholic, you might not 52 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: be aware that a lot of saints or patrons of 53 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: some really really specific or deeply weird stuff that you 54 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't associate with sainthood and general. You know, it's true, 55 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: And before we dive into a list, this isn't going 56 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: to be sort of a saintlyalistical episode. I do think 57 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: the use of the word patron here is interesting and 58 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: it's always kind of fascinating me because you think of 59 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: like an individual perhaps as being a patron of the arts, 60 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: you know, or someone who perhaps finances something, a patron 61 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: of an individual cause perhaps, But a patron saint is 62 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: I guess the implication being that they somehow represent and 63 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: support some particular thing, right, Yeah, yeah. We don't mean, 64 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: of course, to disrespect in any shape, form or fashion, 65 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: the spiritual beliefs of the Catholic doctrine or any spiritual beliefs. 66 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: We have learned a lot with episodes like this, and 67 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm doing that preface. I'm doing that disclaimer because when 68 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: I was growing up, one of the ways it was 69 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: explained to me as a kid was that patron saints 70 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:10,119 Speaker 1: I could think of them as like mascots for specific things. 71 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,479 Speaker 1: And that was another That was another kid who told 72 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,479 Speaker 1: me that, and that kid went to Catholic school. So 73 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, Max is doing the nod. I thought, okay, 74 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: that checks out. You know, but we're both seven years old. 75 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: What do we know. Anyway, we thought we thought this 76 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: would be a strange exploration. We're only scratching the surface 77 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: here because there are a lot of patron saints and 78 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: they are the advocates for a lot of things, often 79 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: some of which aren't like good things, you know, yeah, 80 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: or what one might consider to be like a positive trait. 81 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: And that's very much so of our first entry into 82 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: this saintly listical. Yeah, and a lot of these saints 83 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: are patrons of more than one thing. We're just we're 84 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: focusing on one or two aspects. Yeah, we want to 85 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: introduce you to Saint Drogo, no relation to cal Drogo 86 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: of the Song of Ice of Fire. Saint Drogo is well, 87 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: bluntly put, the patron saint of UGO's and also delightful 88 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: coffee coffee, which is interesting and you know, and again 89 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: there may be other aspects um, but oh yeah, there 90 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: are there. Well, one for example, might be shepherds. And 91 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: it's odd here because there there's a bit of inherent 92 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 1: like almost judgment built into that, because it's almost like 93 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: are all shepherds ugly? You know? That's always thinking too, 94 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:39,159 Speaker 1: because I like, I like envisioning the creation and patron 95 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: saints as a pitch meeting and someone's like, I don't know, 96 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: up shepherds, uh coffee, And someone's like ugly people and 97 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, yeah, them too, them too. Let's give 98 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: them something, let's give back to them. Yeah, and and 99 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: you know a lot of these saints are usually there's 100 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: a reason. It's not like it's just done willy nilly, 101 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: you know, a saint in well, first of all, a 102 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: saint isn't just some sort of like angel or celestial being. 103 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: A saint is someone who is sainted posthumously. Usually no, 104 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: always right, there's no canonized that's right, sort of the 105 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: way you might be knighted. Only that happens usually while 106 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: the person is still living. But this is something that 107 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: can only be bestowed this honor by the Catholic Church. 108 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: And there's probably some interesting meetings that go into those 109 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: kind of decisions right where they then decide which which 110 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: aspects of the saint represents. Saint Drogo was born as 111 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: Drogo of Seaborg on March fourteenth, eleven oh five. He 112 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: passed away on April sixteenth of eleven eighty six. Decently 113 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: long life for that period of time. Amazing, yeah, kind 114 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: of long life. You usually will only associate with members 115 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: of nobility because of their access to you know, better 116 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: healthcare for whatever it was at the time, or perhaps 117 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: members of the clergy, but for similar reasons. So he 118 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: is born into a pretty well placed family. He's a 119 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: Flemish noble. Feeling a little Flemish today. I think I've 120 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: had too much coffee. He was also he also is 121 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: known to some historical sources as drew On or Drukes 122 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: or Drogon again no relation to song Ice and fire. 123 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: Was a dragon perhaps or definitely an appoyeah. But we 124 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: also know that George R. Martin pulled a lot of 125 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: his names and even conflicts from historical figures, so this 126 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me one bit that we may we may 127 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: see more of these. Um. He was primarily a French citizen. 128 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 1: Um and but but he you know, much like our 129 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: story and stuff they don't want you to know about 130 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: a member of the Rockefeller family that kind of eschewed 131 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: a life of luxury, perhaps in favor of more like 132 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: self discovery or living a little bit more like you know, 133 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: the common folk. He wasn't all about that life of 134 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: luxury and being which you might call a shiftless lay about. Yeah, 135 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: this story is actually really tragic. So his father dies 136 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: before he's born, his mother dies in childbirth. He doesn't 137 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: learn the truth about what happened to his parents, until 138 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: he's ten years old, and that's still still though. Ten 139 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: is very young to lay that on a kid, right, 140 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: So he feels terrible about this, and at twenty years old, 141 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: he has this crisis of faith at kind of a 142 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: breaking point, and he gives away his money and his possessions, 143 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: his goods to the poor. He renounces his claim to 144 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: the estate so other heirs in the family can get it, 145 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: and he says, I'm going to live a life of 146 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: poverty and penance. I'm going to travel around to all 147 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: these different holy sites. He goes to Rome more than once, 148 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: and eventually he starts to kind of settle down. He 149 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: gets job as a shepherd for a wealthy woman named 150 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: Elizabeth de la Hare and Seaborg like you mentioned, and 151 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: which means Elizabeth of the Hair of the hair, Yeah, 152 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: legendary actually patron saint of champoo that lady and rabbits, yeah, 153 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: don't fact check the He liked this. It was kind 154 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: of like a retirement for him almost. He liked being alone. 155 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: He loved the solitude. And apparently he loved the solitude 156 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: because it gave him time to pray, So that's what 157 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: he was doing while he was shepherd. Ey well, and 158 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: let's also not forget the religious connection that shepherds have, 159 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, the idea of Jesus being the shepherd and 160 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: his followers being his flock and all of that, and 161 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: also specifically actual shepherds, you know, watching their flocks by 162 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: night and all of that stuff. It's very big image 163 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: that that pops up in the Bible time and time again. Yeah, 164 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: and you know, part of these stories are quite possibly 165 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: embellished a bit. You know, we're telling you the official version, 166 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: but please realize that sometimes the stories may be considered 167 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: figurative or they may be considered works of fiction, and 168 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: we'll see a few of those in this episode as well. 169 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, he's ticking all the boxes for good imagery. 170 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: He wants to tell people about the stuff he's learned 171 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: as a shepherd. So other folks in the in the 172 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: area will come to him and he'll diagnose their sheep. 173 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: He'll tell them if there's an illness and how to 174 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,199 Speaker 1: address that malady. He can read the weather pretty well, 175 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: and people liked him, especially his boss, because he was 176 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: he was good, he had a good vibe, he was 177 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: helpful to be around. People also started thinking he had 178 00:11:51,720 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: superpowers and just about you, ever so slightly. Jesus himself 179 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: was a figurative shepherd, these all kinds of passages referring 180 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 1: to him as I'm pretty himself as being the good shepherd, 181 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: using all of these kind of sheep analogies, talking about 182 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: how the good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep. 183 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,439 Speaker 1: He who has hired hand and not a shepherd who 184 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: doesn't own the sheep, sees the wolf coming, leaves the 185 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: sheep and flees. We also see very important biblical figures 186 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: like Abraham and Moses, King David even and the Old 187 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: Testament prophet Amos, who are shepherds. So that's a very 188 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: important actual occupation in the Bible as well. But you're right, 189 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he's very well liked and very much living 190 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: among you know, people who if he had played his 191 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: cards as they were dealt to him, would have been 192 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: considered like lesser than him. But instead he is very 193 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: much living amongst them and giving, you know, everything that 194 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: he has to help these these people. And you know, 195 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: he got a really good reppegea And to your point, 196 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: bend a bit. A part of that reputation had to 197 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,239 Speaker 1: do with him having these kind of like supernatural abilities, 198 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: one of which was the gift of by location, which 199 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: is kind of what it sounds like. I mean, I 200 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: guess maybe in like you know X men terms, that 201 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: would be something to the equivalent of like teleporting or 202 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: being able to perhaps duplicate oneself, you know, like trying 203 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: to think of like an X man who had that 204 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:31,199 Speaker 1: AUTI many were less. It's right, It's right there in 205 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: the name, folks. So yeah, this is Drogo is kind 206 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: of our biblical multiple man, the gift of by location, 207 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: because there were reports that he'd be seen in the 208 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: fields and simultaneously at church, so he was tending his 209 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: flocks with on the one hand and then you know, 210 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: doing his Bible studies on the other. Um. So there 211 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: was a kind of almost like a catchphrase that came 212 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: up among some of the kind of the common folk 213 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: of the area and this rural area in the region. 214 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: I'm not Saint Drogo. I can't ring the church hell 215 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: from Mass and be in the procession. Yeah, silly, I laughed. 216 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: Found that. Let's shout out to a Catholic dot org. 217 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and shout out to you Ben for this 218 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: wonderful research brief. This is really really fun one as 219 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: y'all will continue to discover. So Ben, why so far 220 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: this guy seems like a lovely fellow, you know, a 221 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: friend to the poor, a friend to the to the 222 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: lowly shepherd. Where does the ugly part come in? Yeah, 223 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: that's the question. So none of this has addressed physical appearance. 224 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: We don't shame people for their appearance here on ridiculous History, 225 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: but the reality is he is the patron saint of 226 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: unsightly people. That's another euphemism you'll hear, and it's because 227 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: he came down with some sort of extreme physical affliction. 228 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Some stories will just say there was this unexplained condition 229 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: that of him, gross deformities like hus filled boils all 230 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: over his body, but not the plague. And then other 231 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: sources will say that he just had a real bonker's 232 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: bad hernia, and a bad hernia would maybe give you 233 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: like a hunch perhaps, or really bad posture. Perhaps it's weird. 234 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: Whatever it was really affected his appearance so much so that, 235 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: according to the story, he was cloistered up or put 236 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: into a solitary room, a cell you could call it, 237 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: but not like a prison, that was attached to the 238 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: church he went to all the time and for quite 239 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: a while, he only survived on barley, water and the Eucharist, 240 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: and this was given to him through a small window, 241 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: so he get food and water through this window. People 242 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: who were seeking prayers and counsel would come to him. 243 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: You see some jokes about kids coming to look at him, 244 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:03,000 Speaker 1: almost like a freak show vibe, but I don't know 245 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: how much of that is actually true. He lives basically 246 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: like an anchorite there for forty five years, which is 247 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: a huge amount of time to spend in one room, right, 248 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: And eventually he passes away at eighty one years old. 249 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: And it's because of his appearance and his story that 250 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: he became known as the patron Saint of these different things, 251 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: like patron Saint of ugly people, because you were at 252 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: one point ugly but remains bious. I guess the coffee 253 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: thing's interesting, though. The coffee thing doesn't quite check out 254 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: because it's kind of anachronistic. He never had coffee in 255 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: his life. He had had no idea what it was, 256 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: that's right, Like, I mean, when did coffee really hit 257 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: the scene? That would have been something that came from 258 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: other lands, right, So coffee isn't really a thing for 259 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: your Peans at this time in the eleven hundreds. It's 260 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: a few centuries later we found a book Uncommon Grounds, 261 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: the History of Coffee. Now it transformed our world. Love 262 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: books about very specific things, and this guy, Mark Pendergrass, 263 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: the author, says that it probably wasn't until sometime in 264 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: the fifteenth century that someone roasted coffee beans, ground them 265 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: and made an infusion. Well, and to a point, it's 266 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: probably going to continue to come up. A lot of 267 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: these saints are given additional aspects many many, many years 268 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: after their saint hood. Oh you mean, like the multiple 269 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 1: Saints of the Internet. Correct, Yeah, definitely, definitely. But you know, 270 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: we also have modern saints, you know, of course, you know, 271 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: we'll get to that. Like I mean, Mother Teresa is 272 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: a saint, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, you're right. She 273 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: was canonized fairly recently. I think twenty sixteen she became 274 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: a saint, Saint Teresa of Calcutta, that's right. So, yeah, 275 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: where did this coffee business come from? This is interesting? Yeah, 276 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: this one's kind of weird. Okay. So the some of 277 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: the first sources that associate Saint Drogo with coffee don't 278 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: come out until the eighteen hundreds, and it looks like 279 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: coffee house owners in the area kind of proactively claimed 280 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: Saint Drogo as their patron. But there's no reason, like 281 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: there's no solid source or something from the story of 282 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: his life. He may have just been a local saint 283 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: in the area and then people who own coffee houses 284 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: or sold coffee started saying, yeah, Saint Drogo patron saint 285 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,200 Speaker 1: of coffee, and people went along with it. Yeah. He's 286 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: also often referred to a specifically as the saint the 287 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: patron saint of caffeine. Great, well, thank you for your service, 288 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: Saint Drogo. And also, you know, feels like we had 289 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: to talk about the possibly multiple patron saints of the Internet. 290 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 1: Saint Isidore of Seville. Also, you know, just spoiler alert, 291 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: born way before the internet was a thing. M Yeah, 292 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: perhaps it had invented the Internet along with al Gore, 293 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: at least in its in it's its conceptualization. Now I'm joking, 294 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 1: but yeah, it was Saint Paul, or Saint John Paul 295 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: the Second rather who bestowed this, uh, this particular aspect 296 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: upon Saint Isidore of Seville, because as a bishop, Saint 297 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: Isidore was a very important figure in creating early forms 298 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: of what we now know as universities. So more of 299 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: a patron saint of education, I guess, but it gets 300 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: a little more specific. Oh yeah, this guy wrote a 301 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: twenty book series where he tried to explain everything. It's 302 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 1: not even hyperbole. He tried to explain every everything, and 303 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: he thought that's what he books, that'll cover it. We're 304 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: talking about the origins of language to law, biology, agriculture, 305 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 1: history of the church, the stuff like how to build roads. 306 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 1: He wanted to be he wanted to kind of create, 307 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: like you said, a university or a Wikipedia, kind of 308 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: an omnibus, right, Yeah, it's his magnampus. And so I 309 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: think there's some sand to this, this patronage, because he 310 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: clearly was a guy who saw the great potential of 311 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: sharing knowledge, and that's always commendable. Now, his book series 312 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: write about everything, of course not there's a lot of 313 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: things they had and quite figured out yet. But the 314 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: interconnectedness I think of knowledge is an important factor here too, 315 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: because it wasn't just you know, specifically how twos on 316 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 1: all this stuff. It kind of was attempting to sew 317 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: it all together in a similar way to what the 318 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: internet kind of does in a much larger scaled kind 319 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: of way. Yeah said. And there's folks who heard us 320 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: mentioned multiple saints of the Internet as we record today. 321 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: There's there's a person who is not quite an official 322 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: saint yet but is well on their way. The first 323 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: millennial who will in all likely to become a saint, 324 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:24,479 Speaker 1: a boy named Carlo Acutis, who tragically passed away at 325 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: the age of fifty. Yeah. I mean pretty impressive though, 326 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: someone who to have made such an impact by such 327 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: an early age, and really sad to have been taken. 328 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: But during his brief time on planet Earth, he was 329 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 1: a big help in spreading the teachings of Roman Catholicism 330 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: on the internet. This is this is again a modern 331 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: saint before he tragically passed away due to leukemia in 332 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and one of his big supporters 333 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: was Cardinal Angelo. Bet you I believe b Ecciu, who 334 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: is the head of the Vatican's Saint making department. It's 335 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: just the thing, you know, And you got to imagine, Bet, 336 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: and I'd love to explore this briefly here what the 337 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: modern saint making department kind of looks like. I picture 338 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: it being a nomination process and then various members of 339 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: the clergy throughout the Roman Catholic world vote on who. 340 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: And then obviously a pope could probably just full scale 341 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: nominate someone themselves and just you know, make it so 342 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: with a wave of a hand. Yeah, So there is 343 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: a defined process. They're not just walking walking around the 344 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: Vatican vibes. Anybody can become a saint in the Roman 345 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: Catholic Church, so unlike say a priest, you don't have 346 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: to be male, etc. But the big thing is, as 347 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: we said, you can only become a saint after death. 348 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: And the first the first step is a formal request 349 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: for an individual to be considered for sainthood. It's submitted 350 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: to this tribunal in the Vatican, and the request has 351 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: to explain how the person lived a very pious life. 352 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: And then this tribunal will evaluate the story of this 353 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: person's life basically did they live in a saintly way? 354 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: And if this person passes the sniff test, I guess 355 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: the tribunal officially recognizes them as a servant of God. 356 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Capitalisque capital g that's like level one. Yeah, and then 357 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: they're not there yet, You're not yet. No, No, then 358 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: you have to go to the Congregation for the Causes 359 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: of the Saints at the Vatican. This is a group 360 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: of cardinals, archbishops, bishops, theologians who study a person's life 361 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: and writing in depth to make sure it lines up 362 00:23:56,040 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 1: with the values of the Church. So in this second process, 363 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: to be heroically virtuous, they have the candidate has to 364 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: be found to have four cardinal virtues and three theological virtues. 365 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: It goes on, and then you finally get to beatification, 366 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: which is where you would be called blessed. Harlow acutis 367 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: is beatified now. And those cardinal virtues, which would be 368 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: like the opposite of cardinal sins, are prudence, justice, temperance, 369 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 1: and courage. And then those theological aspects our faith, hope 370 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: and charity. This really applies to Carlo because again by 371 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: you know, at such a young age, he became very 372 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: deeply religious. He grew up in a middle class household 373 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: in Milan, which of course is very much in that 374 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: world of the Vatican. You know, I mean it's not 375 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: right there, but you know, folks in this part of 376 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: the world very very very deferential to everything that goes 377 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: on in Vatican City. He would actually, you know, go 378 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: and mingle with the city's poor residence and actually give 379 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: his meager you know, pocket money to poor folks. And 380 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: he taught himself coding U which is no small feat. 381 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: And he actually would at the at the time, this 382 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: is in the early two thousands, set up websites. You know, 383 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: this was before like square space and things like that. 384 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, that stuff was kind of you know, 385 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: we had like make your own website, kind of templatize 386 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 1: things at that point. But then in the earlier internet 387 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: days you definitely still had to you know, do some 388 00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: HTML or whatever it might be. Um, this is a 389 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: little kind of on the cusp of that kind of stuff. 390 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: But he actually set up websites for priests and at 391 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: the age of ten he started to create like an 392 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: online kind of curated exhibit about religious miracles, which started 393 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:48,760 Speaker 1: to really pick up steam and gain popularity after he 394 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: passed away. Yeah, yeah, and this and again this very impressive. 395 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: He's he's a whiz at the Internet, at coding. He 396 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: specifically created this online exhibit about miracles that absolutely exploded 397 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: after his death. Hundreds of parishiers around the world have 398 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: used the site he created for their own real life exhibits. 399 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: They printed out versions of this. In twenty nineteen, Pope 400 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: Francis pays tribute to Carlow and says that his use 401 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 1: of the Internet to communicate values and beauty was the 402 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: perfect antidote to the dangers of other stuff on the 403 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: Internet like social media, and Francis even the Pope quoted 404 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: this kid. Francis quoted Carlo by noting something he had 405 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: said during his lifetime. Everyone is born in original but 406 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: many die like photocopies. And after he cited this, Pope 407 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: Francis said, don't let this happen. I think it's pretty 408 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: amazing to be quoted by the Pope. It doesn't matter 409 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: whether or not you were Catholic. If the Pope was 410 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: ever like, I was listening to show Ridiculous History and 411 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: they introduced me to the term beefed up, and next 412 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: your camera went out for a second. I think the 413 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: Pope probably has more important stuff to do. But the 414 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: point we're getting to here is support for making Carlo 415 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: a saint is pretty widespread and unanimous. The beatification ceremony 416 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: was put off due to COVID nineteen but eventually got held. 417 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: Right now, he's on the way to canonization. Canonization is 418 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: the step after beatification, and when you get to these 419 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: areas of becoming a saint, we're talking miracles, posthumous miracles 420 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: that occur because someone prayed for your intercession. The miracle 421 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 1: attributed to Carlo occurred in twenty thirteen, the rapid and 422 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: inexplicable healing of a six year old Brazilian boy suffering 423 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: from a deformation of the pancreas. And you can read 424 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: a great La Times article all about Carlo. This is 425 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: from Tom Kington, June twenty eight, twenty twenty. A patron 426 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: saint of the Internet. The Pope is on it, so 427 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: we will soon have not one, but multiple saints of 428 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: the Internet. That's good, that's all. That's all well and 429 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: good because the internet's a big deal. But what about 430 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: another human pursuit, Noel, what about murder? We see that's 431 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: not a good one. But again you know it's uh, 432 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: everyone needs a saints, even even the most despicable amongst us. 433 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, perhaps folks who are are in prison, 434 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: you know, for doing the most heinous of acts. Yeah, 435 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: there's a patron saint of not murderer or the act, 436 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: but of murderers. Right, Um, But again, like to what 437 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 1: I was getting at most importantly repentant. Yes, yeah, that's 438 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: the you have to feel bad about it. This is 439 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: the thing which I get. You know, you should feel bad. 440 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:10,479 Speaker 1: Saint Julian the Hospitaller or Hospitaller Hospitaller patron saint of 441 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: repentant murderers, as well as clowns, circus workers, innkeepers, fiddle players, jugglers, 442 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: and people without children. See some of these, I just 443 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 1: feel like I I just kind of got tossed in there, 444 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: not necessarily based on any real life acts of these individuals. 445 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, juggling's cool. That's weird. That's a 446 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: weird flex. I always thought juggling was weird flex. When 447 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with people and they juggle, I enjoy it. 448 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: But it's a weird flex. Jonathan Strickling can juggle, at least, 449 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: surprising thing I've heard today. So can Alex Williams a 450 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: little bit. At least he took juggling classes for a bit. 451 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: It's tricky. It really requires some left brain right brain 452 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. It's like rubbing your tummy and patting 453 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 1: your head or whatever, because you gotta kind of you know, uh, 454 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: synchronize and right hands and have them do things that 455 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: are completely disconnected from one another. So kudos to anyone 456 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: out there that has mastered the art of juggling. Or 457 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: I wonder if there's a patron saint of yo yoing there. 458 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: Maybe they're very well, maybe it's a matter of fact. 459 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: Let's see, you know, I don't believe there is dang 460 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 1: it yet, but we have to be the change sometimes. 461 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: Let's figure out how this guy becomes the saint of 462 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: repentant murderers. The story starts with a curse. He's born, 463 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: and he has a curse on him that says he 464 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: will commit patris side that he will kill his parents, 465 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: and he says, I don't want to do that, you know, 466 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a person who kills people 467 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: in general, much less my mom and dad. So he 468 00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: pulls a move like remember him forced up when Forrest 469 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: just starts running. It's like most of the movie, Yeah, 470 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: how can I forget? Yeah, So this guy, Saint Julian, 471 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: pulls a Forrest Gump. He walks away from home one 472 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: day and he just keeps walking for fifty days. Eventually 473 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: settles down and he marries a wealthy widow, and then 474 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: he becomes a night and he starts working for a king, 475 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: and the decades fly by, and sometimes Julian is looking 476 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: out from the ramparts of his castle and he says, 477 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: I guess I've outsmarted that curse. But he didn't know that. 478 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: Throughout all those decades, his parents have been searching for him, 479 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: and they finally found where he was. They found they 480 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: came across his castle, but unfortunately, at the time when 481 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: they discovered the castle, Julian was away on business, hunting business. 482 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: His wife, however, was there and welcome the family with 483 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: open arms. She was so excited to meet her in 484 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: laws for the first time that she gave them the 485 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: nicest room in the joint, the master bedroom. And Julian 486 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: comes home much much later from hunting. He finds the 487 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 1: couple in his bed and he immediately thinks it's his 488 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: wife with another man. He thinks she's chilling on him. 489 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: He goes nuts, he sees red. He murders both those people. 490 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's terrible. Oh that's a bummer. Yes, yeah, 491 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a bummer. Yeah, like, yeah, that's 492 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: the story though. That's some Shakespearean stuff right there. You know, 493 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: and of his rex kind of stuff. His wife was 494 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: away at church at the time, and she tells him 495 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: what he did. Those people you killed, they're your parents. 496 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: Julian loses loses it, you know, he is sparing. He 497 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: is convinced that he has bound for hell. But according 498 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: to one version of the story, his wife encouraged him 499 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,479 Speaker 1: and she said, well, I know that God is so 500 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: merciful and so kind and loving that if we serve 501 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: him all our lives without anger and without envy, I 502 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: do surely believe that he will grant us mercy. So 503 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: they spend the rest of their life trying to make 504 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: up for that. Yeah, I mean this, I get it. 505 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: This really clicks right with the whole How do you 506 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: become a patron saint of murderers? How how do you, 507 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: you know, canonize someone who has done, you know, one 508 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: of the most horrific acts that a human being could do, 509 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: one of the most cardinal sins of Catholicism. It would 510 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: have had to have been an honest mistake and very 511 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: tragic for that individual, and then led to a life 512 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: of utter penance and seeking to absolve one's self from 513 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: this heinous crime. But you know, we gotta wonder too, 514 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: like would this have been this probably would have been 515 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: considered man slaughter perhaps or you know, yeah, because it's 516 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: not premeditated. It's not premeditated, and it is technically you know, 517 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: I don't know. This guy also should have maybe been 518 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: the patron saying of jumping the gun. Yeah, a little bit. 519 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: It's not a bad point. Yeah. This. So Julian does 520 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 1: dedicate the rest of his life. According to the story 521 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: Dependence and Good Work, he starts a hospice at a 522 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,879 Speaker 1: river crossing where a lot of crusaders travel, and he 523 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: took on the duty of ferrying people safely back and 524 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,400 Speaker 1: forth across the river. You can also find one story 525 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,480 Speaker 1: that says he took it a frozen leper one night 526 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: and said, look, it's cold. I can tell you've been 527 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: having a rough time for a while. Why don't you 528 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: sleep in my bed? And the leoper turned out to 529 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: be an angel in disguise, and the leper or the angel, 530 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: now said Julian, our lord hath sent me to thee 531 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 1: and sendeth the word that he accepted thy penance. Nice ending, 532 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: let's get a bow on it. Tricky thing. Though a 533 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: lot of people think this story is kind of a 534 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: bit of pious fiction because it's really tough to find 535 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: an historical basis for the specifics of this guy. Interesting 536 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: but still, but still, you know, if it's stories have power, right, 537 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: and there are repentant murderers of plenty throughout history who 538 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: have prayed for the intercession of Saint Julian. But no, 539 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: I don't feel I feel like we can't end on 540 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: it down note this, Let's keep this next one short, 541 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: but we gotta this is the perfect endingman. We've got 542 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: to talk about one very surprising patron saint. Correct, this 543 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: is Saint Lawrence, the patron saint of Comedians. Nothing better 544 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: than a cut up saints. During the third century, there 545 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: were seven deacons who served under Pope Sixtus the Second, 546 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:14,959 Speaker 1: which is very confusing. Yes, it's like seventh, fifth in Rome. 547 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: And this was a tough place for Christians to exist. 548 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: As we know, the Roman Empire did not take kindly 549 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 1: to Christians, and they did, you know, gnarly things like 550 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, nailed them to crosses. Emperor Valerian was was 551 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: reigning at the time, and he was no exception to 552 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: this rule, very very anti Christian and did horrible things 553 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 1: to them. And their bodies. What put Saint Lawrence in 554 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: his particular cross hairs and that of the Roman Empire 555 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: at large, was his belief that the Catholic Church was 556 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: sitting on treasures untold, not like of the you know, 557 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 1: religious varieties, or of the you know, spiritual variety. This 558 00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: is like, you know, golden stuff. A Roman official asked Lawrence, 559 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,360 Speaker 1: you know, like the location of the church's treasure, you 560 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: know that kind of stuff, and he responded by same, 561 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: behold in these poor persons, the treasures which I promised 562 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: to show you, to which I will add pearls of 563 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: precious stones, those widows and consecrated virgins, which are the 564 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: church's crown. He's like, the real treasures are people. This 565 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: is the original joke, you dirty Roman. And that was 566 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,919 Speaker 1: a little bit of a snarky response at the time, 567 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: but he was working with a tough crowd, right. So 568 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: after he shoots his mouth off, he's put in prison again. 569 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: The Roman officials, their power structure at the time, doesn't 570 00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: vibe with Christians. So Lawrence is sentenced to a cruel 571 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: death and the executioners strip him, They layhim out on 572 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: an iron grill. They pile all these coals under it. 573 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: They press heated iron pitchforks on his body and this 574 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 1: guy looks at them and says, look, wretch, you have 575 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,840 Speaker 1: me well done on one side, turned me over and eat. 576 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: So that more of a medium, rare kind of guy. 577 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,960 Speaker 1: But do you know, yeah, that's so that's the line 578 00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: that made him the patron saint of comedians. I gotta 579 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,279 Speaker 1: tell you he went out like a g Yeah, no doubt, man, 580 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,120 Speaker 1: that's pretty amazing. Yeah, it reminds me of there's a 581 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: really great scene. There's some problematic language in it, but 582 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: I do think it's a very well acted scene in 583 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,680 Speaker 1: True Romance where Dennis Hopper is character who is the 584 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: fat plays the father of Christian Slater, who's like, you know, 585 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: really pissed off them mafia and he's on the run. 586 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: And then then Christopher Walkin and his goons are grilling 587 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: Dennis Hopper's character and he just, you know, he tells 588 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 1: this story that has a punchline that is just you know, 589 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: like the most offensive thing to the people in the 590 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: room that could possibly be, and they all just start 591 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: laughing and laughing, laughing. But it's so they're laughing at 592 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: his audacity, you know, because he knows he's gonna die 593 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: no matter what, so why not go out with a 594 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: bang and say something that you know these folks basically 595 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: can't unhear. Oh, it's pretty pretty excellent scene, but it's 596 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: through the story and the thing that he's actually pointing 597 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: to is something that's a little it's that kind of 598 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: peak Tarantino, like, Oh, why you gotta use that word 599 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: so much? Guy? But it's it reminds me of this 600 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: one hundred percent. And this is just the beginning of 601 00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: the story. There are many, many patron saints for many 602 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: many things. As a matter of fact, we paused off 603 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: air to check whether there was a patron saint of 604 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: Yo Yo's. I don't think any of us knew, but 605 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:51,000 Speaker 1: there's so many out there that it was possible. So 606 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 1: we want to thank everybody for tuning in. We hope 607 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,880 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this. We'd love to hear about your favorite 608 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: patron saints. Big big things as always to our super producer, 609 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,840 Speaker 1: mister Backs Williams, big big thanks, Chris frosciotas here in 610 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,800 Speaker 1: spirit as always Eaves, Jeff Cooke, Alex Williams who composed 611 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 1: this theme, m Yeah, and Jonathan Strickland. Aka The Quister. 612 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,879 Speaker 1: Of course, Casey pegram who who may? Maybe I'll listen 613 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,440 Speaker 1: to our spet Lana conversation with Dan k Rosser and 614 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: have a maybe it'll brighteness day a little bit. But Casey, 615 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 1: if you're listening, miss you, Bud talk soon. What would 616 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: Casey be a Patriot? Same time film? Oh yeah, no, wait, 617 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,719 Speaker 1: that's that's an easy one. What about Jonathan Jugglings take 618 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:42,400 Speaker 1: it peschi lence, there it is. We'll see you next time, folks. 619 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,279 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 620 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows