1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Global business news twenty four hours a day. It's Bloomberg 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: dot Com, the Radio plus Mobile Act and on your radio. 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: This is a Bloomberg Business Flash from Bloomberg World Headquarters. 4 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Peller. To move Laura Now for both the 5 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: down Jones Industrial Average and the SMP five hundred index. 6 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Nestack is higher stocks for fluctuating as investors look past 7 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: increased stimulus by the Bank of England to tomorrow morning's 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: jobs report for clues on the strength of the economy 9 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: and the federal reserves. Next move complete coverage heading into 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: that job's report. 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I'm Charlie Pellett. 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: That's a Bloomberg business flash. You're listening to taking Stock 21 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: with Kathleen Hayes and Pim Fox on Bloomberg Radio. New 22 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: York's condo slowdown is up ending the market for one 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: of the most coveted assets in tightly packed Manhattan, and 24 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,839 Speaker 1: that is Land. Sales of parcels for development are plummeting 25 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 1: as builders seeing signs that a once hot property market 26 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: is cooling, offer prices that sellers won't agree to. A 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: triviic story to Day Bar Bloomberg News colleague Sarah Maholland 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: and David Levitt. I want to welcome back to the 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: show now someone who can talk to us about the 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: trend in Manhattan when it comes to land, when it 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: comes to luxury condo prices, and what it might portend 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: for other hot markets across the country. Jonathan Miller is 33 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: President and CEO of Miller Samuel. Welcome. Great to be here. 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: So I think you in your you know the reports 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: that you do on Manhattan, say as Rentals, Brooklyn, et cetera, 36 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: You've been kind of foreshadowing and touching on at least 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: part of this trend for a while. John, what's going 38 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,799 Speaker 1: on well, I think what's happening. Um Really, the slowdown 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: began about a year and a half, two years ago, 40 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: but landowners are really holding out for higher prices. It 41 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: takes when a market transitions, it takes a couple of 42 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: years they for them to uh capitulate to the new condition. 43 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and fourteen, we were talking about 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,359 Speaker 1: how too much was being built at the high end. 45 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: At that point we started to see, um uh sort 46 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: of this this pullback in future construction. But you have 47 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: to remember that so much is in the pipeline that 48 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: it it doesn't feel like it's slowing down to the landowner, 49 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: um necessarily um uh. You know, they tend to lag 50 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: reality a bit by a couple of years. What kind 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: of market are we talking about here? There's some prices 52 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: so that we understand about the condo market. It is 53 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: not a homogeneous industry by any means. No, it isn't, 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: uh so the way to think of it. And and 55 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: really the focus of new development and the land uh 56 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: prices that have been were chronicled in the Bloomberg story. 57 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,399 Speaker 1: You're really looking at a market that's averaging right now 58 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: about three thousand dollars a foot for luxury condos the 59 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: low end foot and then you know it's up to 60 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: five six thousand a foot UM, So you're really talking about, 61 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, something in the six really starting at you know, 62 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: five six million dollars and up prem there that market 63 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: is has really been overbuilt UM and is sort of 64 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: night and day with the market to the blow that 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: in price. The softness of the Manhattan market is really 66 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: isolated in the top say seven eight percent of the 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: market where truly starts at four or five million dollars, 68 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: and that's where this slowdown is coming into play. Units 69 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: um are just not not moving. The volume of contracts 70 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: has fallen sharply, and that backs into land when when 71 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: you know, the the high end market isn't getting the 72 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: activity or volume, it doesn't justify the land price, and 73 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: the land seller takes a couple of years uh to 74 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: get with the program, so to speak. You know. Our 75 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: Bloomer News story points out that a lot of what 76 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: has driven these these gigantic buildings and luxury condo buying 77 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: is overseas investors who want to park their money outside 78 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: their own countries. Right, We're trying to slow down, and 79 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: the oil prices have fallen so much has happened that 80 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,239 Speaker 1: money apparently has has cooled off, and that's that's money 81 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: has been seen again in other parts of the country 82 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: as well. What does this mean if I'm an investor 83 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: in the sense of thinking of buying an apartment in 84 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: New York or San Francisco or Boston, or if I'm 85 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: an investor in commercial real estate or apartment buildings, what's 86 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: the implication. Well, I think the implication is that the 87 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: era of this super luxury sort of no holds barred 88 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: on prising, that era has officially ended. That we we 89 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: we we certainly are having sales in you know, sort 90 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: of north of five seven million dollars a year UM 91 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 1: in this market and other markets, but it's nowhere near 92 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: the velocity that it was before. And the way that 93 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: I would think of it as is that the period 94 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: we went through was the anomaly, and what we've done 95 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: is returned to um a more historically sustainable level of activity. 96 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: We just got a little bit over excited the market itself. 97 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: UM After you know, three or four years of drought 98 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 1: of no none of this kind of activity after the 99 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: financial crisis, we had this three or four year boom, 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 1: and that boom has passed um the balance of the market. 101 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: South of five million dollars, we're seeing steady, regular activity 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: and when you get into the one to three million 103 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: dollar range, it's pretty pretty uh, there's a fair amount 104 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: of activity. This is something we're seeing across other housing 105 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: markets like Miami, San Francisco, l A. Housing markets in 106 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: the new development space are soft at the top, and 107 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: that is, uh, that is a US phenomenon from the 108 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: lender perspective, Jonathan, what's uh, what are their ground rules 109 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: right now? Well, so lenders, So what's really interesting without 110 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: this whole process is commercial lenders for construction loans to 111 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: build these buildings were largely on the sidelines this in 112 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: this cycle sort of grappling with the legacy of bad 113 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: lighting decisions in the last cycle. And really the player 114 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: has been financial services institutions, Wall Street, sovereign wealth funds, 115 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: private capital And in my anecdotal view January one, I 116 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: think everybody woke up in that realm and looked out 117 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: the window and saw seven or eight bill things being 118 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: built around them and really grew concerned. And so right now, 119 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: financing availability for this is really been curtailed. And you know, 120 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: it's just a market that you know is overbuilt. That 121 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: you know, the supply and demand is causing the supply 122 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: to slow down in terms of what's coming into the market. 123 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Jonathan Miller is the president and 124 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: the chief executive of Miller Samuel based in New York. 125 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: He's explaining the New York City condo slowdown is up 126 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: ending the market for one of the most coveted assets 127 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: in real estate, and that's land. This is taking stock 128 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and this is Bloomberg. Sports teams watch films of their 129 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: games to see how they can improve and avoid mistakes. 130 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: Why not businesses? 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