1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vanderkam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: This is Laura, and this is episode twenty five. We're 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: going to be talking with a teacher this time about 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: how she combines work in life. She's also got some 13 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: side hustles too, so we're looking forward to that. But 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: before we even start that, one of the things we're 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: recording this in the deep winter. Not for Sarah, because 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: Sarah's in Miami Beach where it is never deep winter, 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,279 Speaker 1: but a lot of parents of school age kids in 18 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: the northern parts of the world world are dealing with 19 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: the fun of school delays, snow days, really dismissals. Oh 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: my goodness, you don't have to deal with any of this. 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: No I have fond memories of my childhood though, because 22 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: I grew up right outside of Philadelphia, and I guess 23 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: things have changed because we had like the snow Days 24 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: aired on the radio. Still remember shout out have it 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: for Township four five five? Yeah that was the best 26 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: number ever. But now it's different, right, how do you 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: get your notifications? So we get our notifications now by email, 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: which I think this is by love of the week 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: later just happens foreshadow the love of the week. It 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: used to be phone calls, which was horrible, but you know, 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: just by email now that they tell us either the 32 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: night before if they're going to close it, or in 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: the morning for some they've decided that most people check 34 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 1: their email anyway and first thing in the morning, especially 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: if it's snowy. So yeah, we've been having a lot 36 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: of those. I mean literally, the kids were back in 37 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: school January three. January four and five were both snow days. 38 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: January was an early dismissal. But there those your momentum, right, yeah, 39 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: January ninth, we started two hours late. So I mean, 40 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: you know, this is just the reality of life here. 41 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. You can plan for it, right, 42 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 1: They're like consider this your public service announcement. I mean 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: this is airing mid January. You probably already thought about it. 44 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: If you're a parent in the in the northern snowy regions, 45 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: but like you don't know for sure when the snow 46 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,519 Speaker 1: day will happen, and just like you don't know when 47 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: your kids will get sick, or when you get sick, 48 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: or your caregiver will get sick, but you know it 49 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: will happen in the winter. Right, So these are known unknowns. 50 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: They are not unknown unknowns, like to quot Donald Rumsfield, Right, 51 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: we were talking about this, like these are these are 52 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: known unknowns. You don't know when they will happen. You 53 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: know they will happen, so you got to plan for them. 54 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: And I know what I've been learning to do over 55 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: my parenthood journey is to look at the weather forecast 56 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: and if I see that there's a snowstorm coming later 57 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: in the week, I will frontload the week with all 58 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: the things that absolutely have to get done that week, 59 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: so that way when it snows later in the week, 60 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: I'm not thrown for a loop by or you know, 61 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: if I can see that it's snowy earlier in the week, 62 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: I will tell my husband, I gotta work on Sunday. 63 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: Sunday is going to be a work day, you take 64 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: the kids, and if I'm the one who's covering the 65 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: snow day, then that's definitely you know, his responsibility then 66 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: and so I'll get whatever work had to be done 67 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: for the week done on Sunday, and then sometimes the 68 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: snow is l liked and then I'm ahead of the 69 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: game and that's awesome. But if not, that strategy is 70 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: a little you can't see your pa. Yeah, but I 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: do think there's something to be said for I mean, 72 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: in our case it doesn't apply, but sort of having 73 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: your backup options very clearly lined out, having them discussed 74 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: with your partner in advance, Like, for example, if we 75 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: did have snow days to contend with, I might have 76 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: made a deal with Josh that we were going to 77 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: alternate to whose problem it was going to be, or 78 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: perhaps since like Monday and Friday or his more flexible days, 79 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: if it was on those days, he would have to 80 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: kind of figure it out and be the more flexible one, 81 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: and if it was on Tuesday through Thursday, I would 82 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: have to be the one. So that it's not always 83 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 1: the same person, like that's that's an example, or when 84 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: the kids get sick, to know what kind of backup 85 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: options are there to not you know, wait until it 86 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: don't actually happen. Actually much less stressful though well. And 87 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: one of the things people have even talked about was 88 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: a sit ter portfolio. I mean, if if there is 89 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: somebody in your neighborhood like walkable distance because of the 90 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: snowy issue, that is a major win too. I mean, 91 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, if you had, like if the high school 92 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: kids are also out, for instance, you know, maybe a 93 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: high school kid could come watch your school age kids 94 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: for a few hours if you had to go do 95 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: something or take calls or whatever it was. So that's 96 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: actually a perfect solution because you're right the same school district. 97 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,119 Speaker 1: I'll have to file that in my in my file 98 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:56,839 Speaker 1: for next year because I have a lot of teenagers 99 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: in this neighborhood. Not that we have snow days, but 100 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: you know, hurricane days whatever, hot days. I don't know, 101 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: have you ever gotten out for you never know. We 102 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: guys had a week though for the hurricane, right, we 103 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: do more than a week? Yes, So yeah, so we 104 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: feel you. But it's it's very very different because it's 105 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: very different it's not gonna it's most likely not gonna 106 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: happen multiple multiple times in a season. And when it does, 107 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: it's a you know, you miss the entire week instead 108 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: of it being two hours here, two hours there. So 109 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: I can imagine in your case it's harder to plan for. 110 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: And as somebody like a physician, I could see how 111 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: that would be very stressful because sort of like each time, 112 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: but it should be it should be expected. Yes, I 113 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: guess you don't know when they'll do it, but yes, 114 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: the two hour delays are going to keep happening if 115 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: you're up here, because and you know that's that's just life. 116 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: But your your kids are I mean we're recording this 117 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: early January. Your kids are back in school now this 118 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: week right there. Yes, I'm so thrilled. You know. It 119 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: was funny I thought, oh, having a baby, you know, 120 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: during winter break will be so wonderful because I'll have 121 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: vacation off. But there's actually been such a disruption in 122 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: our family routine and then the we're both out of 123 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 1: school for two weeks that I was craving things to 124 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: kind of go back to their normal every day, and 125 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: they finally have as of three days ago. So yes, 126 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled, but you're when this airs, you're gonna be 127 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: halfway through maternity. Yes, when this airs, I think i'll 128 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: be like six weeks down, six weeks to go, or 129 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: just over six weeks down, six weeks to go. And 130 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: could I go back to work earlier. Probably, But I'm 131 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: very very glad that I don't have to, mostly because, 132 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: as we've discussed the pumping thing, it's just so nice 133 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: to delay that because I know that's going to be 134 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: very stressful when it starts. Well, six weeks ago, I 135 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: enjoyed this next week if you want us to do them. 136 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:47,479 Speaker 1: We are excited to welcome Leanne Soul to best of 137 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: both worlds. Leanne is a teacher and many other things, 138 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: but we're gonna let her tell us a little bit 139 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: about that. Welcome to the program. Lean Thank you so 140 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: much for having me. It's dream come true. Good. I 141 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 1: love that now we didn't even exis us six months 142 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: ago and now or somebody, well, you know what, I've 143 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: been such a fan of yours for so long, Laura, 144 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: ever since I read one hundred and sixty eight Hours. 145 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know how many years ago that was, 146 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: that that came out but I've been hoping that you 147 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: would start a podcast, and it's been so great listening 148 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: to this and getting to know Sarah as well through 149 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: the podcast. So definitely, yeah, dream come true. I can 150 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: cross this off my one hundred dreams list. Awesome. Well, 151 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: we are so excited to have you and that you're 152 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: willing to do this. I've been appreciating your comments on 153 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: my blog for years and getting to know a little 154 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: bit about you, but our listeners don't know you. So 155 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: maybe you can introduce yourself to what you do, your family, 156 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Okay, So yeah, I'm a 157 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: teacher and a writer and a mom. On the education side, 158 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: I have a bachelor's in music education and a master's 159 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: in Humanistic and Multicultural education, and for the past fifteen years, 160 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: I've worked as an elementary instrumental music teacher specifically banned 161 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: instruments for a large New York State district that is 162 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: highly regarded for its music program, and for about the 163 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: same length of time, I've also maintained a private flute 164 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: studio with anywhere from four to ten students, and many 165 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: of the older students have performed at the All State 166 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: and All American level, which is really exciting, and a 167 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: few have gone on to pursue music performance degrees in 168 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: college as well. And on the writing side, I'm a 169 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: novelist and an essayist. I've completed two adult historical novels, 170 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: and unfortunately at the moment, neither are published, but the 171 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: first one earned me a fantastic literary agent, and she 172 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: and I are working together on what we hope will 173 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: be my debut novel, which is book number three. And 174 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: I also write essays that have been published in several 175 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: magazines and literary journals, and one of my essays won 176 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: first prize in a contest last year, which I was 177 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: very proud of. So I'm primarily a novelist, secondarily an essayist, 178 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: but I also maintain a blog, the newsletter on my 179 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: website leansoul dot com, and I write the wellness column 180 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: for Diymfa, which is a website that helps writers improve 181 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: their craft by focusing on writing, reading, and building community. 182 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: And on the home front, I'm happily married with two children, 183 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,719 Speaker 1: a five year old boy and a fourteen month old 184 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: girl little ones. Then, yeah, yeah, I am so impressed already, Leanne, 185 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: what a well rounded group of things that you do 186 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: and such interesting things that you do. And those side 187 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: hustles sound like really, you know, not just minor things, 188 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: but really big and exciting things. So Leanne, it sounds 189 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: like you've kept going with those side hustles though after 190 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: having children, so you managed to make time for those 191 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: as well, the both the flute studio and your writing. Yes, 192 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: I think that's primarily down to two things. One, I 193 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: got a lot better at time management which I had kids, 194 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: and I don't think that's uncommon. I think you want 195 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: something done, you ask a mom. But I also do 196 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: have a lot of support, of course, my husband and 197 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: I am lucky enough to live near all four of 198 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 1: my kids grandparents. And if I need help, particularly with 199 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: the teaching the private lessons, my mother in law comes 200 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: over every week to babysit. And it's great for my 201 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: kids because they love their nana, and it's great for 202 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: me because I get to teach and the writing primarily 203 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: happens in the morning hours, which I can get to 204 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: if we talk about schedule, but not childcare time. But 205 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: what do you use for your childcare during the school day? 206 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: Because your husband is he also a teacher? Is he's 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: also a teacher? Yeah, we're both music teachers actually, although 208 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: he's high school and I'm elementary, so we're on slightly 209 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: different schedules. That is so romantic, by the way. Yeah, 210 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. We actually met in music college, 211 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: but the college we went to was six hours away 212 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: from but both of our families were from this area, 213 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: from the Hudson Valley area, and we went to kind 214 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: of neighboring high schools. We just never met until we 215 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: went to college and then we came back to our 216 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: home area to both hit FUSTEAG. So yeah, it's a 217 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: little romantic, So yes, we want Yeah. So for childcare, 218 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: we actually areredibly, incredibly fortunate. We have a home daycare 219 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: literally right up our street. When we were first vetting them, 220 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: I was just looking for something wrong because I just 221 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 1: felt like, this is too convenient, It can't possibly be great, right, 222 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: But we love our both of our childcare providers, both 223 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: the full time ladies there and the part time people. 224 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: They're phenomenal and they have been taking care of my 225 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: son since he was two, and then my daughter started 226 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this year and she's done really 227 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: well there as well. My son's in kindergarten now, but 228 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: he goes to the daycare for before school care because 229 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: my schedule doesn't line up perfectly with his. My commute 230 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: is longer than his bus ride, so I still need 231 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: to bring him to daycare before school, and he's there 232 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: for a few minutes after school. It's not very long, 233 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: but it works out really well because I can pick 234 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: up with my kids in the same place. Yeah, and 235 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: then who takes him to school? How does he get there? 236 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: He's not. He rides the bus, he writes, the school 237 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: bus to school, right, and the home daycare to the 238 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: bus from there, and then the bus bus. Yeah. It's 239 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: actually really nice because he can get on the bus 240 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: with his friends from daycare, and it's kind of nice 241 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: to get on with a group of kids not feel 242 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: so alone. That was particularly great at the start of 243 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: the school year when he was a little bit nervous 244 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: about starting kindergarten. Just knowing that he was going to 245 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: get to get on the bus with his friends from daycare. 246 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: I think that was really reassuring to him. He already 247 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: has his posse. Yeah, that's right. Why don't you tell 248 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: us about your scheduling because you say you get up 249 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: early and right, that's that's when you do your I do. 250 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: So that's one thing. It's funny when when I was 251 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: preparing for this interview, I mean, I know that you 252 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: guys ask about schedule, so I kind of looked at 253 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: my schedule a little bit differently, and I realized that 254 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: one thing that I'm was prioritizing, that really realizing was 255 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: prioritizing was getting into a creative mental state as often 256 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: as possible during the day. So whether it was my 257 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: writing time or my teaching time, my parenting time, just 258 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: prioritizing that state of creative flout trying to get into 259 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: that because creativity is, I would say, one of the 260 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: most important things to me. So for my writing work, 261 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 1: that means at least ninety minutes of day per day, 262 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: taken in chunks throughout the day of work on my 263 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: novel or my essay or my blogs. And I use 264 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 1: the Pomadoro technique where you sit down, you put on 265 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: a timer, and you just start writing and then you 266 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,199 Speaker 1: stop when the timer goes off. And the only way 267 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: that works is by have you know, if I do 268 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,079 Speaker 1: a brainstorming session the night before or the weekend before, 269 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: just so I know what I'm going to write. But 270 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: I can pretty quickly click into that mental state, and 271 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: that's something that's taken a lot of practice, but I 272 00:13:58,040 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: think it's the only way you can get things done 273 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: with limit amount of time. And then when I'm teaching, 274 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: I am very present in the classroom. I'm trying not 275 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: to I'm not trying, you know, thinking about the next 276 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: group of students coming in. I'm trying to stay focused 277 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: on the kids that are in front of me and 278 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: enjoy that creative flow between me and them. And then 279 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: when I'm home, I think that's the most difficult time 280 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: to stay mindfully present, just because there's so many distractions, 281 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: you know, housework and chores and the phone ringing. But 282 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: I feel like parenting is a creative act as well. 283 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean, every parenting choice you make is you know, 284 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: sprouts creativity. So whether it's how do I make it 285 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: fun for my kids to pick up their toys or 286 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: you know, my son asked me difficult questions like hey, 287 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: what happened to great grandma after she died? And trying 288 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: to come up with a creative answer for that. I 289 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: just I really feel like parenting is sort of you know, 290 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: thousands of creative acts space throughout the day, But anyway 291 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: way to get them to pick up their toys. You 292 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: should let us all know because oh it's damn yeah, 293 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: and he's singing. There's a lot of music involved in 294 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: our house. I got to tell you. The soundtrack to 295 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: our house is just so much. There's so much singing 296 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: and dancing and I obviously background, right, it's a lot 297 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: of flute and saxophone ors. Yeah, well, my husband's a 298 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: saxophone is yeah, and I'm a fluidist. But you know, 299 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: we don't really drag our instruments into our daily routine, 300 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: but we definitely have like songs for leaving for school, 301 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: and we have songs for getting dressed. My son doesn't 302 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: use them quite as much because he's five now, so 303 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: he knows his routine and he doesn't really need that, 304 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: but we're using them a lot of my daughter right now, 305 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: and she just loves music. So yeah, music helps with 306 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: a lot of painful situations like tours and childhood tasks. 307 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: It's funny you say that, because I was just thinking, 308 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: you use the songs, that's that's like a daycare teacher thing, right, Yeah. 309 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: Do you think, oh that's true? Do you think that 310 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: kills you've learned as a teacher were helpful as you 311 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: became a parent. You feel like you had a leg 312 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: up on that with versus Yeah, absolutely, I think you know, 313 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: things that I've learned. What comes to mind first of 314 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: all is just talking to kids as if they're kids, 315 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: but taking them seriously. I think kids love it when 316 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: you're trying to be on their level and be very 317 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: honest and open with them and trying to understand them 318 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: rather than talking down to them. And that's something a 319 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: big thing that I have learned as a teacher, just 320 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, really being present and listening to your kids 321 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: and trying to understand their point of view. And I 322 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: feel like that has helped me a lot as a parent. 323 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 1: Like you know, at whatever age you know my children are, 324 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: I feel like I'll at least make an attempt to 325 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: connect to them. I know there are some ages that 326 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 1: are going to be more difficult than others, but I 327 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: feel like I have pretty good communication with both my 328 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: kids because I'm in that teaching mental space of you know, 329 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: trying to to be where they are and talk to 330 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: them at their level. Yeah, what time does your day 331 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: have to start to get that writing in though? Before 332 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: they get up? And okay, so I can walk you 333 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: through the day. Yeah, give it. Okay. So I get 334 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: up between five and five fifteen. Ideally I have that 335 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 1: hour between five fifteen and six fifteen to myself, and 336 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: that's when I do the bulk of my you know, 337 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 1: deep creative writing work that does not always happen. I 338 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: do have a fourteen month old child, and she wakes 339 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 1: up when she wants so actually, for the past few days, 340 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: I haven't been getting that whole time to myself because 341 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: she's woken up pretty early, and in that case, I 342 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: just I nurse her, I uh, get her dressed, I 343 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:52,479 Speaker 1: play with her for a few minutes, and then I 344 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: can usually put her in her playpad with some toys 345 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: so that I can do at least, you know, twenty minutes, 346 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: thirty minutes. Maybe broke it up, maybe I'll have to 347 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: move her, but I usually can get some writing done. 348 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: It's not quite what I like, obviously, because it's a 349 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: little bit distracted, but I'm able to get some done. 350 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: And then from six fifteen to seven point thirty is 351 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: that morning rush time. Like I said, my husband's on 352 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: a high school schedule, so he has to leave the 353 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: house earlier than us, which means that it's pretty much 354 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: just me and the kids doing getting dressed, breakfast, making lunches, 355 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,640 Speaker 1: packing the backpacks, getting all the winter gear on, which 356 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: is my least favorite part of winter. I hate getting 357 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: all the gear on. And then Sarah doesn't have to 358 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 1: deal with this, she's in the lands her hats. But yes, 359 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: there are extraneous things that need to go on the 360 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: child this time. Yes, it really does add time to 361 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: that morning. I remember, and the ice cream or making 362 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: the car pretty much. I'd late to something yesterday because 363 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: of the ice issue, and my scraper had disappeared from 364 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: my car. I'm like rubbing, rubbing the window with my arm. 365 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: That's exactly how I had to get So I try 366 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: to make up for that though, because like I said, 367 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: our daycare is right up the street, so I could 368 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: actually walk there. I mean sometimes I do walk the 369 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: kids up with the stroller, which is really nice. It's 370 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: like a little extra exercise perk. It's up a hill too, 371 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: so I get to walk. You know, I really pushed 372 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: the stroller. I get a good exercise. But obviously that's 373 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, spring and fall, not winter. So that's where 374 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 1: my extra time goes is on the coats and the 375 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: warming up the car this time of year. But I 376 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: dropped the kids off at daycare between seven thirty and 377 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: seven forty five, and I have between a twenty and 378 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: thirty minute commute to work, depending on which school I'm 379 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: going to, because I do work at two different buildings, 380 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: And during that time, I'll either do some you know, 381 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: I'll just keep the radio off and I'll just do 382 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: some thinking about a writing issue that I might be having, 383 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: or if I just feel like I need to reboot 384 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: and need distraction, I'll listen to podcast or audio books 385 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: or something. And when I get to school, I have 386 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: a little bit of time to kind of organize my 387 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: to do list for the day and figure out what 388 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to get things done. And the kids come 389 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: in around eight forty five, and then my teaching day 390 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: officially starts at nine, and between nine o'clock and three o'clock, 391 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: I have a schedule of either group lessons or band rehearsals. 392 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: There's one to two band rehearsals per day every day 393 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: except for Friday, and then group lessons arranged by instrument 394 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,119 Speaker 1: and grade level. My schedule is a little bit different 395 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: every day, just depending on what building I'm in, and 396 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 1: what grade level I'm teaching, when their lunches are and 397 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: so on. But I do get, you know, a lunch 398 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: time and a prep time, and then I'm out of 399 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: school by three point thirty. Home around four either I 400 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: get the kids or my husband gets the kids. And then, 401 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: you know, every afternoon's different. We have afternoon activities, piano lessons. 402 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 1: My daughter goes to a music class we have on 403 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: one day a week. I do teach my private lessons, 404 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: so my mother in law will come and watch the 405 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: kids so I can do that. I teach out of 406 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: my basement, so I'm still in the house, but she's 407 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: watching the kids upstairs. And then you know what every 408 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: parent has to do, get dinner on the table, do bathtime, 409 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: make sure the kindergartener does his homework. We have a 410 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: pretty elaborate bedtime ritual that involves a lot of reading. 411 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: We really love to read with the kids, so and 412 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: obviously my kids are very different levels, so I don't 413 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: want to hear the whole ritual, Okay, I think our 414 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: readers would also like it depends on whether it's just 415 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: me or whether it's me and my husband's usually both 416 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: of us with the kids. But some nights, you know, 417 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: he has a rehearsal, and that's the casualty of having 418 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: a husband who's high school means teacher. There are rehearsals 419 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: and there are concerts a lot of times in the 420 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: evening that I won't have him there for that time. 421 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: But for most nightsies home, and so then we kind 422 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,120 Speaker 1: of all start on our bed. We do a little 423 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: bit of a snuggle, you know, he'll kind of play 424 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: with my daughter while I read a book to my son, 425 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: and then we might move to my son's room and 426 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: do some reading there, and then my husband will stay 427 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: with him, and I'll go into my daughter's room and 428 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: nurse her, read her a couple of books, and then 429 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: rock her and get it ready for sleep. So the 430 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: kids are in bed by eight, and then I try 431 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: to save that time from eight until around nine or 432 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: nine fifteen for absolutely nothing, nothing time so that I can, 433 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: you know, either watch TV or have a conversation with 434 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: my husband, or read a book or whatever it is 435 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: that I need to do to recharge. And then I'm 436 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: usually in bed between nine fifteen and nine thirty, and 437 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: I do a few minutes of like brainstorm journaling work 438 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: so I know what I'm doing for my righteading the 439 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: next day, and then I do some reading and I 440 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: try to have lights out by night forty five, although 441 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: if I'm reading a really good book, sometimes that doesn't happen. 442 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 1: And hopefully I get to sleep through the night, and 443 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: then I'm up again to do it again. Okay, So, Leanne, 444 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: you know a lot of people kind of think of 445 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,360 Speaker 1: teaching as a family friendly career, like that's the kind 446 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: of image it has. And yet as you just mentioned there, 447 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: like your commute is such that you can't even get 448 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: your son on the bus. I mean there's right, there's 449 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 1: logistical issues that people just don't understand. I mean, do 450 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: you think it is as family friendly as people think 451 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: it is or they're just I mean issue. I don't 452 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: think it's really that much different from what most people have, 453 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: except for the fact that all of it is shifted 454 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. I mean, I'm on a middle 455 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: elementary school schedule, my husband's on a high school schedule. 456 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: At no point is everyone in the family going to 457 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: ever be on the same schedule, depending on what great 458 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: my kids are in. So, and like I said, yeah, 459 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: I do need before and aftercare anyway, just because my 460 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: commute is longer and I don't want to get to 461 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: school at the very last minute. So it doesn't I don't. 462 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 1: I don't think it makes too much of a difference 463 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: in that sense. The thing that is lovely is that 464 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: we do get snow days together. We get to have, 465 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, vacations lining up at the same time. For 466 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: the most part. My husband actually is in a different district, 467 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: but our vacation time wines up and we do have 468 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: summer vacations. I think the trap with that for teachers 469 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: is that we tend to think of ourselves as being 470 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: the sole caregiver of our children during the summers, when 471 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: it might be great for teachers to have a passion 472 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 1: project that they work on over the summer or workshops 473 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: that they attend. And not to say that teachers don't 474 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 1: do that, but I think it's not in our mindset 475 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: to arrange childcare for those summer months. So you know, 476 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: we kind of work around things. And I know I 477 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: personally have a really hard time transitioning from the working 478 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: year to the summer and then back again, because I 479 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: really I do like to work and I find it fulfilling. 480 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: So when all of a sudden, I have more empty 481 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: space in my schedule. It's really hard for me to 482 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: figure out how to fill that and to fill my 483 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: children's schedules as well. And how do you handle that? 484 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: Do you do a lot of thinking beforehand on how 485 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: you'd like to use the time or how has it 486 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: gone in the past year or so? Yeah, I do 487 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: well in the I was actually on mattorney leave at 488 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: the end of last school year, so it kind of 489 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 1: just melded into the summer. But yeah, I try to 490 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: do as much intentional planning as I can. And then 491 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 1: of course, you know, there's a vacation, and then there's 492 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 1: your home for a little bit, and there's another vacation 493 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: than your home. So we do tend to travel a 494 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: bit because it's the only time of year we can. 495 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: You can't take off time during the school year, so 496 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: that kind of makes us things up a little bit too. 497 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's just going to look different 498 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: every year my kids get older. I mean, this summer 499 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: is probably the first summer that my son will be 500 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: interested in going to a summer camp or doing a 501 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: morning program or something. And then, of course, you know, 502 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: my daughter's still too young. But our home daycare is 503 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: still open during the summer, so you may center a 504 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 1: couple of days so that I can have some more 505 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: writing time. So I mean, we'll have more family time 506 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: over the summer. But I just think it's important to 507 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: think about that workpiece as well, because it's a great 508 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: opportunity to spend more time on my writing projects. Yeah, 509 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,679 Speaker 1: another thing I was thinking about with combining teaching and 510 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: parenting is especially in the case that you're dealing with 511 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: young children all day because you're on the elementary side 512 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: of things, which they're probably you know, fun but exhausting, 513 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: and then you come home to other children who are 514 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: young and fun and exhausting. How do you manage your 515 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: energy to get through both of those. And Yeah, I 516 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: don't know if I have any like special technique or anything, 517 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: but I do try to make sure I get enough 518 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: of sleep. Sleep is pretty much a keystone for me. 519 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: If I get less than seven hours, I definitely feel that. 520 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 1: I try to get exercise throughout the day, whether it's 521 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: just a short walk or I can jump on my 522 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: elliptical for twenty minutes in the evening. I do my 523 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: best to get my exercise that way during the week, 524 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: and then I do more on the weekends. I try 525 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: to eat pretty healthily during the week also like low sugar, 526 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 1: low carb, but then on the weekends I treat myself. 527 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: I really love my Saturday morning pancakes. But I think 528 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: it's mostly I actually really enjoy what I'm doing throughout 529 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: the day. So even though you know, I'm not a 530 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: writer who hates her day job or stay at home 531 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: mom who wishes she had more work fulfillment, I have 532 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: my writing, my teaching, and my parenting. All three of 533 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: those pieces are really fulfilling for me. So even though 534 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: every moment isn't easy or necessarily even happy, I overall 535 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: feel like I have passion for everything that I do. 536 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,439 Speaker 1: So I think it's just kind of that that energy 537 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: helps me, that helps me feed my energy. That passion 538 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 1: helps me feed the energy. So I'll get that from 539 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: my students when we're working on something and they're really 540 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: excited about it, And I get that energy from my 541 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: writing when I'm making a breakthrough on my novel, So 542 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,399 Speaker 1: you know that's where that comes from. I think I 543 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: think that's something many people aspire to. What you said 544 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 1: before about finding flow even in your parenting and treating 545 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: that as a creative act. That's sort of a frame 546 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: or I guess a way of framing it. I hadn't 547 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: really heard before, and I think it's it resonated with me, 548 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 1: so yeah, I really I liked you, and I'm serious. 549 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's rare. I mean, many 550 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: people really do tend to go through their days as 551 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: like I have to get through this to get to that, 552 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: and get through this to get to that. And you know, 553 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: Lean's take on it is really like I find what 554 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: I can in all of them. And she really does 555 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: sound like she's found a beautiful balance, Leanne. I wonder 556 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: I think we could ask you a little bit about 557 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, we have kids in school, and I'm now 558 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: feeling bad for not making my son practice his viola 559 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: as much as like his group lessons at his elementary school. 560 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: But I mean, from a teacher's perspective, what do you 561 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: want and need from parents to make your job easier? 562 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: Like what should we be doing to help you do 563 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: your job well? Specifically from an instrumental music teachers perspective, 564 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: just have your kids play instruments, encourage them to play. 565 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: I think it's so important, and I think there's some 566 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: a misperception that all bandoned orchestra teachers think that their 567 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: students are going to go on to be virtuoso's or 568 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: even you know, play through high school. And I know 569 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: that some of my students will drop their instruments in 570 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: a few years, and some of them might make it 571 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: to college, but then, you know, get absorbed in other things. 572 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: It's not about that for me. I really don't necessarily 573 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: feel that I'm teaching the skill of the instrument as 574 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: much as I'm teaching like certain important life skills, like 575 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: how to practice something, how to start from scratch at 576 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: something that's really difficult and gradually get better at it. 577 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: How to play as a group with other instruments, how 578 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 1: to you know, self discipline and self motivate and let 579 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: your your emotions come through something you're creating. I think 580 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 1: these are all really important life skills, and it's something 581 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: that I love watching my students grow into, you know. 582 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: I mean, when you're playing an instrument, you are literally 583 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: failing out loud in the beginning. You know you're playing 584 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: wrong notes and you know that they're wrong, and you 585 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 1: have to figure out how to fix it and make 586 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: it better. And just to see that growth is really 587 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. It's my favorite thing, the fact that 588 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the school year, when the kids 589 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 1: are in fourth grade, they can't even put the instrument together, 590 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: and then by the end of the year they're playing 591 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: notes and rhythms as a group, and it's just to 592 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: see that progress is amazing. So even even if they 593 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: don't actually continue the instrument, I know that those skills 594 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: that we learned in the process are are so important 595 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: for them. So I would encourage any parent to have 596 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: their kid play an instrument, or sing in the chorus, 597 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: or take an advanced art class. Any creative pursuit is 598 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: going to come with those special life skills that you 599 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: can only get through creativity. Anything difficult. That makes me 600 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: feel so much Yes, I was gonna say that makes 601 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: me feel so much better about the fact that I 602 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: played violin for me age from grades four through twelve 603 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: and was really like into it, like in community orchestra, 604 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: state that kind of stuff, and then stopped because maybe 605 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: I'm serious, Maybe I really got something out of the process, 606 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: just that Lianne. I love Leanne's positive attitude because I 607 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: could imagine that a successful musician performing musician like Leanne 608 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: listening to a bunch of fourth graders attempt to play 609 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,200 Speaker 1: band that she's listening to this as a process of 610 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: growth and discovery as opposed to, oh, my goodness, this 611 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: sounds like a bunch of screaching cats. I always say 612 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,800 Speaker 1: that I have the ultimate motivation to do a good job. 613 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, No, they do come a really long 614 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: way in the amount of time that I have, And 615 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: that's partly because I do have a supportive district. We 616 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: have a great music program and wonderful supportive parents, so 617 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: that is no small part of my students' success. But 618 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: but yeah, it's definitely a motivating factor to just not 619 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: have to hear the weeks and not have to hear 620 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: the supportive parents. Mean, I mean, what what do you 621 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: want parents to do? So on my end, you know, 622 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: have helping your kids remember their instrument, to bring their instrument. 623 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: That's pretty much a key thing, and just staying on 624 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: top of practicing and having allowing your kid to perform 625 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: for you. I know that they don't sound great in 626 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: the beginning, but they're proud of the things that they've learned, 627 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: so it is important to let them play for you 628 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 1: sometimes and try to find something to compliment about it. Yeah, 629 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: I mean I would say, you know, I as if 630 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: if I was a class if I were a classroom teacher, 631 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: I'd probably just say the same kind of things. But 632 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: just you know, it's staying on top of homeworks instead 633 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: of on top of practicing. And I don't think a 634 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: kid has to practice a huge number of minutes. I 635 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: think if they, you know, try to pick up their 636 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: instrument most days of the week and try to do 637 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: you know, at least a few minutes, a lot of 638 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: times those few minutes turn into longer practice sessions because 639 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: it's you know, one of those well begune is half 640 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: done sort of situations where once you get going, it 641 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: feels like it doesn't feel like chore to continue playing, 642 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: and you get excited, Oh I'll try this piece now, 643 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: and oh let me try this song that I haven't 644 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: tried before, and it kind of feeds itself. But just 645 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, making sure your child is in a routine 646 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: of getting that instrument practice started at a certain time 647 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: and encourage them to keep going. It's wonderful and sot 648 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: Leanne I mean, looking back in your life of recent 649 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,439 Speaker 1: years and you're combining work in life and how things 650 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: have all worked for you. I mean, are there any 651 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: special challenges that you've faced and what strategies you've used 652 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: to overcome that. So I feel like this kind of 653 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: ties everything together for me. So I'm going to go 654 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: to go all the way back to sort of my 655 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: origin story, if that makes sense. The week that I 656 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: turned fourteen, I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. So that 657 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: was pretty much my entire high school experience was dealing 658 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: with sort of aggressive cancer, having surgeries and treatments, and 659 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: at a time in my life when my friends all 660 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,880 Speaker 1: had that sort of feeling of teenage invincibility, I had 661 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:17,680 Speaker 1: a feeling of fragility and that sense of life not 662 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: being quite as long as you think it could be 663 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:25,760 Speaker 1: at fourteen, and the feeling that time was really precious. 664 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: So I really, I know, I know, it sounds like 665 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: I put a lot into my life, and that's where 666 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: that comes from. I think for me, is just learning 667 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: at that very impressional age, impressionable age that time was 668 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: precious and if I wanted to do something with my time, 669 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,000 Speaker 1: that I needed to really commit to it and focus 670 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,359 Speaker 1: on what I loved and of the things that are 671 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: most important to me. Now, you know those are the 672 00:35:53,520 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: things that were very that I needed to support me 673 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: through that time when I had cancer. I mean, other 674 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: than the support of my family and friends, which was 675 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 1: of course incredibly important, I really leaned on my writing 676 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: and my reading and my music at that time. I 677 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: kept a journal and that that kept me sane. I 678 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: kept reading and reading novels kept me distracted when I 679 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,760 Speaker 1: needed distraction, and music helped me reconnect to my friends 680 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: and I didn't. I don't think I purposely set out 681 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: to create my adult life around those three things, but 682 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 1: I do think that having them be so important to 683 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: me during a difficult time inspired my passion to make 684 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,399 Speaker 1: those creative pursuits a major part of my life as 685 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: an adult. That makes complete sense. I mean, it's you know, 686 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: there are the things that gave you energy then and 687 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,280 Speaker 1: the things that made you feel complete then, and then 688 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: they helped you so much then that you want to 689 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: stay with them for the rest of your life. I 690 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,200 Speaker 1: think that's I mean, a wonderful perspective on that, and 691 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 1: what a young age to acquire such an important lesson. 692 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 1: I definitely don't think most fourteen year olds, as you mentioned, 693 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: get there, And of course it's unfortunate that you had 694 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,880 Speaker 1: to get there in that way, but it does seem 695 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: to have paid off. Yeah, I mean, I can't really 696 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 1: regret the experience because I think that it did teach 697 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,040 Speaker 1: me important life lessons and yeah, and I'm healthy now, 698 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: so all worked out. Yes, Well that's wonderful. Well, Leanne, 699 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: So we close our interview segment. We are We always 700 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 1: ask our guests for their love of the week, so 701 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,760 Speaker 1: something that is making them happy right now in their lives. 702 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 1: We can go first in case you want to with 703 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 1: oars or not. You can go completely off left field 704 00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: if you want. But Sarah, what are you loving this week? 705 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: So at the beginning of the new year, I decided 706 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: I was going to listen to some of the top 707 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: albums of the year in sort of a systematic way, 708 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,439 Speaker 1: just to make it fun, because that's just how I roll. 709 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,560 Speaker 1: And I have found some really great new music that 710 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,600 Speaker 1: I love. So I'm just going to mention three of 711 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: my favorites from this month so far have been Laura 712 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: Marling's album Semper Femina, Phoebe Bridger Stranger in the Alps, 713 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: and both of them are really laid back, kind of 714 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: feminist sounding music, but really beautiful and fit the mood 715 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: in our house right now with a new baby and 716 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: then a little bit more upbeat and also another female 717 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: vocalist the Overcoats album Young. So if you're looking for 718 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: new stuff, I recommend and I'm going to go ahead 719 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 1: and reuse the we would talk to the opening about 720 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: our district now emails us about snow days instead of 721 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: calling us. And it used to be that the worst 722 00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: part of snow days was that the phone would ring 723 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: at six a And this is obviously a day that, 724 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: in theory, you could sleep in because you know, you 725 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: have to get the kids off to school at the 726 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,360 Speaker 1: same time that you would have otherwise, and yet the 727 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: phone would be waking everyone up at six am. And 728 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 1: so they started emailing us, which is just a beautiful 729 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: different solution, and so I'm really glad that they moved 730 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: to that. So the use of email. Often I hate email, 731 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: but email is my love of the week in this case, 732 00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: because it's so much better than getting a robocral from 733 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: the district early in the morning. Leanne, how about you? 734 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,919 Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with my Goodreads app. I 735 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: started tracking my books on Goodreads I to read and 736 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: my read books, and I love that They inspire that 737 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,960 Speaker 1: reading challenge at the beginning of every year and they 738 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: challenge their members to read more books. And that helped 739 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,840 Speaker 1: me set a goal and achieve it last year. I 740 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: set a goal of one hundred books in twenty seventeen 741 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: and I got two hundred and nine. Not quite as 742 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,680 Speaker 1: many as you. Laura's pretty respectable. It's still a lot 743 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: north of Behana incredible. I mean, you think about this. 744 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: This is a woman who is teaching all day, dealing 745 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,360 Speaker 1: with two small kids, running having two side houses, of 746 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: writing books, and running a flute studio, and she read 747 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 1: two books a week all last year. And I'm guessing 748 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 1: they weren't all like, you know, five page books. No, 749 00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,360 Speaker 1: they were, but I will say that to me, It's okay, 750 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 1: she's doing all these things, but this is how she 751 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: escapes reality for a short period of time and is 752 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: able to relax. I don't watch a lot of TV, 753 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: so that's how I find this. I just wonder where 754 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:51,360 Speaker 1: you were manufacturing your where is this coming from? Between 755 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:55,120 Speaker 1: that and the Modern Missus Darcy book Club. I'm a 756 00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: member of the Modern Missus Darcy online book group, which 757 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: I know you guys interviewed and Vogel recently, and that 758 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: was really exciting to hear that episode and she interviewed 759 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,880 Speaker 1: you to Laura, I hear listened to that one also. 760 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 1: But all the book recommendations that I get from there 761 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,719 Speaker 1: and being able to track on a Good Reads, that's 762 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,400 Speaker 1: It's been wonderful for my reading life, because as long 763 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: as I have good reading material, I'm I'll just keep 764 00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,360 Speaker 1: shooting through. The tracking help you at all? Are you 765 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 1: the kind of person who like the fact that you 766 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: can write down that you completed the book or check 767 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: something off. Does that make you happy? Yeah, I'm an upholder. 768 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: If you couldn't tell from all of this this whole conversation, 769 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: I am definitely an upholder also, And I love but tracking, 770 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 1: I love the planning, I love keeping the lists. And 771 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: if I tell myself I'm going to read a hundred books, 772 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to read a hundred books. Yeah, I'm feeling 773 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: kind of bad with the other tendencies right now. I 774 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 1: know I'll get you by the show too. The rebels 775 00:41:53,800 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 1: won't want to come all er. Thank you so much 776 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,320 Speaker 1: Leanne for being on. We really appreciate it hearing about 777 00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,760 Speaker 1: how you combine work and life and all the wonderful 778 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: things you're doing. Thank you so much for having me, 779 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: and if any of your listeners would like to find me, 780 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: please go to my website leandsoul dot com. Soul is 781 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,600 Speaker 1: spelled with the W in the middle. Please go visit 782 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,399 Speaker 1: her and read more about her and her great work. 783 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Our Q and A this week 784 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: is on a topic that I like to talk about 785 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 1: and think is kind of fun and maybe a little 786 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 1: in vogue right now. But that's okay. It's on self care. 787 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,319 Speaker 1: We could be totally Yes, we're on the post, so, 788 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: our commenter writes, as a Newish mom that works full 789 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: time with twins, I really appreciated your analysis of time 790 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 1: and arguments for working full time. I also now really 791 00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: appreciate self care as it is truly a luxury. I 792 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,919 Speaker 1: strive to make time for things that seem like luxuries now, 793 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: like getting a manicure, et cetera. But what is enough? 794 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,840 Speaker 1: I feel like even when I am able to make time, 795 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: it isn't enough. What would you recommend as a goal 796 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: for how much time to spend on self care weekly 797 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: or monthly? Laura, I'll let you start because I liked 798 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 1: your answer. Yeah, no, I wrote back to her and 799 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: please send us questions. By the way, we love getting questions. 800 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: You can email me el Vanderkam at yahoo dot com. 801 00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 1: I love to get them, post them on Stara or 802 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 1: my blog either way. I mean, for one thing, if 803 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: you're a new mom with twins working full time, like 804 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's never gonna seem like enough from your 805 00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,520 Speaker 1: leisure time is already like compressed far under what it 806 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,799 Speaker 1: would have been in your kid free lifestyle, or you know, 807 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: it's just it's hard to make that adjustment. And I 808 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: know we've talked many times about how going from zero 809 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,279 Speaker 1: to one or in this woman's case, zero to two 810 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: is just a major lifestyle change and it's hard to 811 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,799 Speaker 1: adjust to and things will get better over time, but 812 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 1: we have to appreciate that probably you're gonna have a 813 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: little bit less leisure time for the first few years 814 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: than you will later. And so if you know that, 815 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,520 Speaker 1: it could be easier to get through. But I don't 816 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,200 Speaker 1: think there's a right amount of self care. I mean, 817 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 1: this is this is one of those things that now 818 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 1: that it's in vogue in the women's magazines all the time, 819 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: like are you taking time for you? Now? It's it 820 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,919 Speaker 1: can even be a source of guilt on its own, 821 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: like ooh am, I doing the right amount of time 822 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: for me versus other things. To stop thinking about it 823 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,399 Speaker 1: that way, like leisure time should not be a source 824 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 1: of stress at all. The guy, the idea is, is 825 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,840 Speaker 1: it helping you feel like life is doable? Like life 826 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: is fun at times and doable most of the times 827 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:35,280 Speaker 1: with sort of probably painful moments with baby twins, of course, 828 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,359 Speaker 1: but that that's not your entire existence. So making life 829 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,480 Speaker 1: feel doable. So I guess you think about it as 830 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:47,080 Speaker 1: this like portfolio approach. I just like that word for 831 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: whatever it is about portfolio pitch. So you want to 832 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 1: have some stuff that's maybe on the pricier side because 833 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,960 Speaker 1: you can only do a little bit of that. So 834 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,759 Speaker 1: that would be stuff like a massage. You're not gonna 835 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,839 Speaker 1: do that very often, or a girlfriend's week in away, 836 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,680 Speaker 1: like that's just not going to happen very often, but 837 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,439 Speaker 1: it's pricey in terms of both time outlet and money 838 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: in mind. Yeah, I mean that's just you know, those 839 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: are great and you should definitely have those in your 840 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,080 Speaker 1: life occasionally, but you know it's not going to happen weekly. 841 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,600 Speaker 1: The mid range stuff like pedicures or manicures. I mean 842 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,200 Speaker 1: that can obviously happen a little bit more often. You know, 843 00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: you can get them. I don't get manicures or pedicures. 844 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,600 Speaker 1: But I'm guessing it's what how much time does it take? 845 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,879 Speaker 1: Do you ever get these? I don't know. I don't 846 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: like people care. It could be like forty five minute. 847 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean, you can get the whole thing done in 848 00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,880 Speaker 1: an hour easily. Yeah. So, and that's like sort of 849 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: a mid range. I'm guessing that's like less than a massage. 850 00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,319 Speaker 1: Oh but yeah, definitely. I mean it certainly varies based 851 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,319 Speaker 1: on cost, but I would say like half the price 852 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: or less of the massage. So you know, if you 853 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: like that, you could do that a little bit more frequently. 854 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,080 Speaker 1: But then there's stuff that you know, you can do 855 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: a lot more often because it's free or it doesn't 856 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: involve a huge commitment of time or even childcare. I mean, 857 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,880 Speaker 1: so it's something like choosing to read a really good book, 858 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: you know, after your kids are in bed, or if 859 00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,240 Speaker 1: you like to soak in the tub with a candle 860 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 1: lit and a glass line or something, you could you know, 861 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,359 Speaker 1: decide I'm going to do that instead of puttering around 862 00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 1: the house tonight and then take thirty minutes and do that, 863 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,520 Speaker 1: or you know, go for a walk if you enjoy 864 00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: being outside. You know, those things are free, and so 865 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: you can think of that as kind of comprising the 866 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: bulk of it. And so you might just make a 867 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: list of these fun actors, things that make me feel 868 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: like life is doable, and then you know, can I 869 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: do one of those each day? I mean that would 870 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: be really probably pretty good. And maybe not every day 871 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: will at work, but a lot of days you probably 872 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,000 Speaker 1: could do at least something. And I think the deliberate 873 00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: is really key. It's so easy to dribble, what you know, 874 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: to kind of use up time. Oh I don't really 875 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 1: have time for anything, so we'll just scroll on my phone. 876 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,120 Speaker 1: I'll just do this. But if you kind of say, 877 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,040 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm going to read my book for 878 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and you sit in your bed and you're 879 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: focused on doing it and you acknowledge that you're doing it. 880 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:57,799 Speaker 1: I used to actually literally write down. Actually I still 881 00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 1: do it sometimes on my plan or like what I 882 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: plan to do that's fun that evening, even if it's 883 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,239 Speaker 1: like watch an episode of This is Us, Because it 884 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: forces you to acknowledge that you are doing something for 885 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,360 Speaker 1: yourself and not just wiling. I can't explain it, but 886 00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: to me, there is a really big delineation between time 887 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: that you're using how you want to purposefully and with 888 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,440 Speaker 1: awareness and time that's just going. Yeah, And I like 889 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,919 Speaker 1: to joke about this because I was you know, there's 890 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: a certain narrative of the put upon no time for 891 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,239 Speaker 1: herself Working Mother and I love Working Mother magazine. But 892 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,480 Speaker 1: they they had one of these ones on their website. 893 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,600 Speaker 1: They had a poll that you were supposed to, you know, 894 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 1: answer the question of when did you last have me time? 895 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: And you know, I clicked out and see what the 896 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: answers were, and a full fifty percent of respondence so 897 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,480 Speaker 1: they could not remember when they last had me time, 898 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 1: Which is kind of funny if you think about it, 899 00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,000 Speaker 1: because like taking online polls is probably not required for 900 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,360 Speaker 1: your job, Like if you're reading Working Mother magazine, not 901 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,399 Speaker 1: required for your job, you know. So it's like it's 902 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 1: not child either. It's it's puttering around online. You're you're 903 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,399 Speaker 1: taking me time, like you're doing a little like I'm 904 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: taking a little time for something fun for me, but 905 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,480 Speaker 1: it's not being acknowledged as such, right, And so if 906 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,960 Speaker 1: you at least say like, yeah, I'm screwing around on 907 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,960 Speaker 1: Instagram right now, this is me time, and just acknowledge 908 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:19,879 Speaker 1: that that is what it is, then either you can 909 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,120 Speaker 1: decide like, hey, that's awesome, look at me. I'm the 910 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: kind of person who's taking time for myself to look 911 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,680 Speaker 1: around on Instagram. Yay me, Or it could be like, yeah, 912 00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: I actually don't really want to do that with the 913 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,080 Speaker 1: ten minutes I have for myself right now, so let 914 00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:33,799 Speaker 1: me go do something else. Let me, you know, go 915 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 1: walk around the backyard because the babies are sleeping right now, 916 00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,960 Speaker 1: or let me, you know, go write in a journal 917 00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:42,480 Speaker 1: for a little bit, or just read ten minutes in 918 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,040 Speaker 1: a book I'm enjoying, And then you can choose one 919 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: of those things instead. And I do think there's something 920 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: to be said for a time that you are officially 921 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: off duty from a childcare perspective and from a work perspective, 922 00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,239 Speaker 1: and even if it's very rare, but you know, you 923 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: can look forward to it like it's you know, one 924 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,080 Speaker 1: lunch that you have during the workday that's with a 925 00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,840 Speaker 1: friend that's just for you. Then that's going to feel 926 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,920 Speaker 1: to me more like self care than even what you 927 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:11,640 Speaker 1: just said, like, oh, the babies happen to be sleeping 928 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: right now, because you're still kind of on call for 929 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: the babies. But even if it's minimal, if you can 930 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,240 Speaker 1: carve out that little bit of covered time that's yours, 931 00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: that you're doing what you want with it deliberately, I 932 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:26,680 Speaker 1: think that that will feel meaningful to you. Sounds good. Well. 933 00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: This has been Best of Both Worlds Episode twenty five. 934 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: Tune in next week for more on making work and 935 00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:39,959 Speaker 1: life work for you. Thanks for listening. You can find 936 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: me Sarah at the shoebox dot com or at the 937 00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, and you can find me Laura 938 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,360 Speaker 1: at Laura vandercam dot com. This has been the Best 939 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,920 Speaker 1: of Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us next time for 940 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 1: more on making work and life work together.