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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 3: Edo steak is that woo woom?

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Speaker 4: And Dan and Tie, welcome back to the solid verbol

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Speaker 2: My name is Ty Hildebrandt.

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Speaker 4: As always, I am joined by the one, the only, still,

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Speaker 4: the incomparable, if not a bit frozen. Dan Rubinstein in Chicago, Illinois, Sir,

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Speaker 4: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? I watched the Super Bowl in sixteen minutes

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Speaker 2: this morning because I am old and too polite for

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Speaker 2: dinner invitation that I assume only happened because many tables

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Speaker 2: If the forty nine ers were flying, I would have

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Speaker 2: definitely stayed home. But I had a terrific burger Tie,

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Speaker 2: I had good conversation, and it's not the worst to

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Speaker 4: Absolutely well, congratulations to anyone out there who rooted for

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Speaker 4: the Rams. Congratulations to Georgia fans. Matt Stafford gets the

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Speaker 4: dub Yeah, could argue it was their second championship in

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Speaker 4: Dajore though, yeah a little bit. Justin Ferguson from Auburnobserver

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Speaker 4: us decipher, help us compute, comprehend what the hell is

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Speaker 4: going on on the planes with this Brian Harson news.

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Speaker 4: We're still trying to get her head around it. Justin

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Speaker 4: does a good job covering all things Auburn Insider football

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Speaker 4: and basketball, so we'll get into that and much much more.

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Speaker 4: Don't forget the podcast as always as driven by Geico,

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Speaker 4: our good friends over at geikob and helping us out

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Speaker 4: this season. You can always subscribe to the show if

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Speaker 4: you are just finding us. We go twice a week

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Speaker 4: all throughout the off season. We also offer bonus Patreon

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Speaker 2: I thought you the first time you just said that.

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Speaker 2: I thought. And we also offer Bonix Patreon content, which

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Speaker 2: and Tie talking Bonix week four. So now hold on

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Speaker 4: We got a question on our weekly Bruinet show. We

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Speaker 4: what will be the strategy? Yeah, what will be the strata?

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Speaker 4: Now important disclaimer, we don't have NL money, No, we don't.

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Speaker 4: the Brian Harson News has been spinning ever so chaotically

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Speaker 4: now from the Auburn Observer Auburnobserver dot com. Go and

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Speaker 4: check it out. Justin Ferguson, longtime friend, first time visitor

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Speaker 5: However, the outside noise in it getting out and getting

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Speaker 3: It wasn't going to fire him for calls. So here

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Speaker 5: This program on something that is going to keep him around,

437
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 5: and Tank, I think is one of them.

438
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 3: He's got a good relationship with guys like that.

439
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,880
Speaker 5: Cadillac Williams obviously the great Auburn running back running backs coach.

440
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 5: He was the only guy that Harson retained from Gus

441
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 5: Miles on staff, and that's a key reason why Tank

442
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 5: Bixby's still around because of their close relationship. So there's

443
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 5: there's some of that that I think. You know, it

444
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 5: hasn't been misstep after misstep after misstep with Brian Harson.

445
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,120
Speaker 5: It's just, you know, whenever the situation kind of unfolds

446
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 5: the way it does, a lot of the negatives get

447
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,600
Speaker 5: really really magnified. Now that you're past it, you're looking back,

448
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 5: it's like, Okay, well it's not a complete meltdown. It's

449
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 5: just not a great situation, and you have to you

450
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 5: have to rally around what building blocks you do have

451
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 5: on this roster, and then you have to you have

452
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 5: to adjust and get better on the recruiting trail and

453
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Speaker 5: the portal moving forward.

454
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Speaker 4: I know part of the confusion, at least for Dan

455
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 4: and I is thinking back to the twenty twenty one season.

456
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Speaker 4: The way things started for Auburn. It seemed as if

457
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: they were turning a corner. Bo Nicks was playing I think,

458
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: a more efficient brand of football the Penn State game.

459
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 4: They played tough in the Penn Steak Game. There were

460
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,159
Speaker 4: other obviously, there was like the Iron Bowl. There were

461
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 4: plenty of instances where Auburn football came to play, but

462
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 4: clearly the end result was not there. And so I guess,

463
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Speaker 4: from our vantage point, I wonder how much of that

464
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Speaker 4: is tied directly to bow Knicks getting hurt and having

465
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Speaker 4: to play this quarterback roulette down the stretch of the

466
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Speaker 4: way they did, versus how much of it is like

467
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Speaker 4: a systemic thing that you're going to look for certain

468
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 4: tells going into twenty twenty two, like, aha, maybe that's

469
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Speaker 4: why it went south in twenty twenty one. This could

470
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Speaker 4: be a harbinger for more bad things to come, if

471
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Speaker 4: that makes sense.

472
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Speaker 2: I don't know.

473
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Speaker 4: We're still trying to piece this together on our end.

474
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Speaker 5: I'll tell you guys this, if Bonick stays healthy. I

475
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 5: don't think we have we go through what we just had,

476
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Speaker 5: you know, with around I think if Auburn wins one

477
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 5: or two of those games down the stretch that they lost,

478
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 5: they were six and two in fantash six and seven,

479
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 5: and a lot of those losses were close ones. They

480
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 5: had that complete melt down agains Mississippi State a lot

481
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 5: on the defense there Bo gets hurt in that game.

482
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Speaker 5: But I think if you have something you know, positive

483
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 5: or it's not as bad as it is down the

484
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 5: stretch of the season, you're not getting into a situation

485
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Speaker 5: where people can kind of, you know, stoke the flames

486
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 5: of this of this investigation, this situation. But oh no,

487
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 5: we're not happy with Brian Harson. Let's get it, let's

488
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Speaker 5: get him out of here. And I think, yeah, I

489
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 5: think it really does come down to the fact that

490
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Speaker 5: down the stretch of the year, when they needed to

491
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Speaker 5: give people something to believe in.

492
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Speaker 3: They didn't have their quarterback anymore.

493
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Speaker 5: And it gets even tougher because bow Knicks decides to

494
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 5: leave Auburn and go to Oregon, which is going to

495
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 5: be a better situation, probably a spot where you can

496
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 5: win more football games. Next season, help out your NFL

497
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:05,320
Speaker 5: draft stock. Meanwhile, Auburn has, uh, you know, several former

498
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,879
Speaker 5: transfer quarterbacks that have never been the guy, and then

499
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 5: a couple of freshmen that are gonna be battling out.

500
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Speaker 5: Then you lost pretty much almost all of your wide receivers.

501
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Speaker 5: So next season, when you look at if if Auburn's

502
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Speaker 5: offense struggles the way that it could, you'd be like, man,

503
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 5: they missed a shot down the stretch, and it's unfortunate

504
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 5: because it was it was bonus because you were right.

505
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Speaker 5: The month of October, Bonnix was playing some really really

506
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,400
Speaker 5: good football, best football of his career. They go to Texas,

507
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 5: A and M, and A and M at the line

508
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 5: of scrimmage just whips Auburn on both sides of the ball,

509
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 5: which you know, an we'll do that to you. And

510
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 5: and they've they've got the star power up front that

511
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 5: Auburn didn't. And it just between that and the Knicks injury,

512
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 5: they just never were quite the same. But if you

513
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 5: feel like if Knicks plays, they lost close to South Carolina,

514
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 5: they lost some triple overtime or four overtimes to Alabama.

515
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 5: They lose a close one to Houston in the Birmingham ball.

516
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Speaker 5: You know, a healthy bonicks I think flips at least

517
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Speaker 5: one or two of those.

518
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Speaker 3: Does it bother you?

519
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 4: Does it bother Auburn people as much as it bothered

520
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: me that they had the opportunity to go for too

521
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 4: and beat Alabama and they didn't do it.

522
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Speaker 5: And and the thing about that is TIY is that

523
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 5: if you remember from that game, the third overtime, so

524
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 5: this two point shootout that we're doing now, if you

525
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 5: remember the Auburn's two point conversion of the third time

526
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 5: beautiful throwback screened the tied end that was just uncoverable,

527
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 5: like just a nails play, and yeah, they were there.

528
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 5: That was probably been the big thing where if you

529
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 5: point out where a lot of Auburn people are like, man,

530
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 5: this that was really really tough. Was that moment where

531
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Speaker 5: it's like if you had that play in your back

532
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 5: pocket and you're playing out an Alabama and they're clicking

533
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 5: on they found it again on offense with with with

534
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 5: Bryce Young and those guys and you know, TJ. Finley

535
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 5: and the gang just not really getting it done at

536
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 5: that point. Yeah, there's a lot of people that say,

537
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 5: you know, go for it a little bit, and I

538
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 5: think that's probably some of it that has kind of

539
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 5: filtered into Auburn fans when they look at what happened

540
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 5: down the stretch of the year, and what happened maybe

541
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Speaker 5: at spots in the season, is that you go get

542
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 5: Ian Harson, you get this guy from Boise State, and

543
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 5: oh it's the trick plays, the aggressive play calling, and

544
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 5: it was a very in him and Mike Bobo and

545
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 5: you know together in this is very conservative at times,

546
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 5: and in Auburn fans, I think, you know, they didn't

547
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 5: they expected a little bit more there in that regard.

548
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 5: But yeah, that's the one. That's the one where I mean,

549
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 5: I remember being in the press box and when they

550
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 5: hit that thing on the third overtime, we all started

551
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 5: looking at each others, like, what a thing that done

552
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 5: that earlier because like, nobody's stopping that play.

553
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: Just if they beat Alabama, none of this stuff that

554
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 4: happened over the last month happens are.

555
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: What happened with Bonnix. So, as you mentioned October, he

556
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 2: looks great, he looks more confident, he looks more like

557
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: a top I don't know, fifteen national type quarterback. In

558
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: his better moments, he'll get the Arkansas game, some of

559
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 2: those passes like he was just stepping into the pocket.

560
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: He was more decisive than he's ever looked in his

561
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: career under Mike Bobo, under Brian Harrison. He's mister Auburn.

562
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: He starts from day one, five star. Obviously, everybody knows

563
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: his dad plays there. He grows up a super fan.

564
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,360
Speaker 2: From the outside. It seems if there were anybody who

565
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: was going to have an injury and put out a

566
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 2: statement can't wait to be back stronger than ever and

567
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 2: lead the Auburn Tigers to heights unseen and just you know,

568
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: have that the rallying cry behind him, it seems like

569
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: it would have been bo Nicks. So is it a

570
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 2: personality conflict with Harson or something? Is it sick and

571
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: tired of dealing with expectations given his own history? What

572
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: is it that happened with bow Nicks that he said,

573
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: you know what, I think I'm gonna I think I'm

574
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 2: gonna go elsewhere. I didn't sign up for where Auburn

575
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: is right now, what happened?

576
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 5: I think what you just said there down the stretch

577
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 5: is a good point, Like I didn't sign up for

578
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 5: what this is.

579
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, it was a difference.

580
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 5: The personality is getting along and and coaching changes happened. Yeah,

581
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 5: keep in mind they fire Mike Bobo right before he

582
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 5: made his decision. I had to go on the portal,

583
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 5: so there was a lot of uncertainty there. And I

584
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 5: think also there's been so much pressure on Bonix from

585
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 5: day one because he is mister Auburn. Uh and uh,

586
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 5: you know, he had all that hype around him, his

587
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 5: first true freshman quarterback to ever play the start game

588
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 5: one of the modern era at Auburn, and there was

589
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 5: a lot of criticism and a lot of back and

590
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 5: forth with with with the fan base that I think

591
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: it got kind of grading at times. Sure, And I think,

592
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 5: you know, for Bnicks, I think he looked around at

593
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 5: the situation and thought, you know, as much as he

594
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 5: loved Auburn, he got his degree here, he looked around

595
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 5: and said, you know what, it's probably better off for

596
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 5: me to go somewhere else if I want to get

597
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 5: to the next level.

598
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 3: Because I think.

599
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 5: Even before any of this, even before the rest of

600
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Speaker 5: the transfer exodus at Auburn, you could look around and say,

601
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 5: twenty twenty two at Auburn's gonna be gonna be kind

602
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 5: of rough. You know, there was gonna have to be

603
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 5: a lot to change. And for Bow, I mean he

604
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 5: said it when he when he went out the door,

605
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 5: he was like, I'm making the best decision for myself.

606
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: And and he did.

607
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 5: And and and ended up landing him at Oregon. And

608
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 5: I'm I for one and fascinated to see what he

609
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 5: ends up doing at Oregon because I think that's such

610
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 5: a really interesting fit and they obviously have Oregon obviously

611
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 5: has a track record, even though with different coaches, of

612
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 5: helping guys out at the NFL.

613
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: Level to get to the NFL level, I should say.

614
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 2: So the best case situation for Auburn the rest of

615
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: the offseason heading into twenty twenty two. You mentioned, you know,

616
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: the receivers leaving and you know, just changes at coordinator.

617
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 2: If you're an optimistic Auburn fan, an optimistic but realistic

618
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: Auburn fan, what are you hoping for these next six

619
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: and change months?

620
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the big thing for Auburn is this

621
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 5: second wave of the transfer portal, like after spring practices,

622
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 5: where Auburn's got to hit that hard and they did

623
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 5: not hit the first wave very hard, but they've got

624
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 5: to get there's a couple of positions where they really

625
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 5: need immediate help, wide receiver being the main one. They

626
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 5: need to get a few more pieces in the transfer portal,

627
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 5: and then they get into the regular season. They have

628
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 5: five games at home to start the year. I think Auburn,

629
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 5: you know, optimistic Auburn fans can look and say, okay,

630
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 5: if they can find one of these quarterbacks, give them

631
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 5: some pieces of wide receiver, develop them, and let them

632
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 5: be solid. If you can rely on tank Bigsby, an

633
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 5: experienced offensive line, and a defense that's got a lot

634
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 5: of top end talent, maybe not as much depth, you

635
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 5: can see where this program could take a step forward. Now,

636
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 5: the schedule's really tough. You've got Georgia and Alabama both

637
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 5: on the road, Penn State comes to Auburn's gonna be

638
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 5: a tough, tough road for sure. But you know, guys

639
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 5: being in the same system under the same staff for

640
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: a second year. The head coach, you know, Harson's gonna

641
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 5: be more hands on with the offense. Offensive line's been there,

642
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 5: big thing. They're bringing a lot back from there. You

643
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 5: can see where, okay, if they avoid the big blow

644
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 5: ups that they had down the stretch of twenty twenty one,

645
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 5: you could see where Okay, there's still room for this

646
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 5: to take a step forward. And I think the other

647
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: thing on top of that is they've got to find

648
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 5: a way to get some momentum on the recruiting Trail's

649
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 5: that's easier said than done. After all, this is that happened.

650
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 5: But the state of Alabama, this is the biggest recruiting

651
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 5: class probably in the modern era for Alabama recruiting. They

652
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 5: have five five stars and fifteen four stars just in

653
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 5: the state alone. They recruit Georgia really really hard to

654
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 5: do to his proximity, always Florida always pop in from

655
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 5: different places. They've got to come in and give, you know,

656
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: folks a reason to say, Okay, this staff, Ryan Harson,

657
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 5: these guys can recruit what is more like an Auburn

658
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 5: football recruiting class that we've come to expect.

659
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 3: You do that build it moving forward.

660
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 5: But like that's a lot of ifs you got to

661
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 5: check off one by one by one, and the work

662
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 5: really starts as soon as the portal starts to get

663
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 5: going again.

664
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: Could anything be done from the administration, from those in

665
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: power to message that out to the world that like,

666
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: he's our guy, we are confident in him. This is

667
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: the situation that is going to bring Auburn back to

668
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: competing for SEC titles or is it just going to

669
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: be sort of a purgatory situation on the place lanes

670
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: right now without that? Right, Like Jim Harby is Jim

671
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: Harbaugh covets a Super Bowl trophy. But at least the

672
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: messaging out of Ann Arbor is like I'm going to

673
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: be and I'm going to be coaching at Michigan for

674
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 2: as long as they'll have me. Right that there is

675
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: that clear public messaging. Could could there be more at

676
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: Auburn or does that just fly too much in the

677
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: face of what we've seen.

678
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's just the biggest problem Auburn has,

679
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 5: and it's been a problem for decades and decades, is

680
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 5: people just can't get on the same page with each

681
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: other in terms of power boosters, administration, coaches. I mean,

682
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 5: it's all just kind of back and forth, and so

683
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 5: any attempt and they tried, you know, when when the

684
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 5: President came out with his statement, when they retain Harson,

685
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 5: it's just like, hey, we're behind this guy, We're moving forward.

686
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 5: But then everybody looks at it, it's like, Okay, what

687
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 5: just happened there? Can you really sell that? And I

688
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 5: think there's a lot of that where it's like anything

689
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 5: moving forward kind of from the administration to Auburn, it's

690
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 5: going to just feel like empty talking. It's gonna come

691
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 5: down to can Brian Harson get the results on the field.

692
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: And if it doesn't, you know, there's already a situation

693
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 5: where people can say, oh, well, you know Auburn is

694
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 5: you know, some people at Auburn already want to pull

695
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 5: the trigger on him. So I think it's just this

696
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 5: is gonna come down to a football coach and his

697
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 5: team and his staff. They have to get it done

698
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 5: and there's a lot of odds stacked against him. But

699
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 5: you know, I think Brian Harson knows that, and that's

700
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 5: why that's why he keeps hanging around here.

701
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: There are a lot of places in college football in

702
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 2: which there are boosters who love to have their voices

703
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: heard that. There are a lot of places that if

704
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: there was not winning on the field, nobody would be

705
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 2: in line. You know, there would be sort of chaos

706
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. But obviously winning and force of personality,

707
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: especially head coach athletic director, tends to get people in

708
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: line and on the same page. So Auburn's not unique

709
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: in that regard. They're just not winning. So those voices

710
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: and suddenly get leaked out. So from this process, is

711
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: there a clear picture to you of who's running Auburn football,

712
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: who's in charge, who is who is who are the

713
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: people or who is the person Because at a lot

714
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,959
Speaker 2: of schools, you look at Tennessee, you look at Oregon,

715
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 2: you look at a lot of places, you're like, okay,

716
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 2: I kind of have a vague sense of where some

717
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 2: of the bigger decisions are running through. Is there a

718
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: sense of who's in charge at Auburn right now?

719
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: Not at all?

720
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: Okay, not at all?

721
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 5: I mean you have you have an athletic director in

722
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 5: the last year of his contract.

723
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 3: That is very rare for a for a Power five AD.

724
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: To get to this point, there have been there's been

725
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 5: some shuffling in terms of the administration at Auburn with athletics.

726
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 5: You know, people coming from the from other parts of

727
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 5: the university into athletics to help it out. There's a

728
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 5: president change. I mean Jay gooj the president who made

729
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 5: the statement that kind of threw gas on this fire

730
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks ago. He's leaving, and they like

731
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 5: the day that all this kind of breaks out, they say, hey,

732
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: we've got a new president coming in.

733
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: He'll are in May. Good luck like.

734
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of that as well, and it's

735
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 5: just a booster thing where you know, there are there

736
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 5: are some very rich and very powerful people connected to

737
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 5: Auburn that want to be the guy or guys that

738
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 5: helped get Auburn to the point where they can be

739
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 5: in Alabama or they can be a Georgia instead of

740
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 5: pulling all on the same page. And a great example

741
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 5: is what happened with Alabama. They used to have booster

742
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 5: problems all the time and going back and forth, and

743
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 5: then Nick Saban came in and said, we're all going

744
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 5: in one direction. You better get on board or not.

745
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 5: And just Auburn doesn't have that. They don't have that coach,

746
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 5: they don't have that you know, they don't have that ad.

747
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 5: They they just don't have.

748
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: That right now.

749
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 5: And so it's a lot of pulling back and forth

750
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 5: and back and forth for.

751
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 3: The entire world to see.

752
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

753
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 4: So we're recording this the day after the Super Bowl.

754
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 4: Happy Valentine's Day. If the whole heartsome thing would have exploded.

755
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: And if it would have been a situation where Auburn

756
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: is looking for a head football coach, it would have

757
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 4: been later in the process than what we saw with

758
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 4: Mark D'Antonio when he resigned really late in the game

759
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 4: from Michigan State, and that was kind of a big

760
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 4: upheaval and oh my god, what are we going to

761
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: do now? It worked out for them, they got mel Tucker.

762
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 4: Where I'm going with this is, even if we don't

763
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 4: know who's running Auburn, there had to have been some

764
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 4: names kicked around as possibilities if in fact they decided

765
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: to move on from this guy. Do you have any

766
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: sense for where they might have looked first, if in

767
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 4: fact they were looking for a guy?

768
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? There.

769
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 5: I think the number one priority was going to be

770
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 5: if you get rid of Brian Harrison. After all this,

771
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 5: the next thing you have to do is say, Okay,

772
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 5: if we're bringing someone in here, they've got to understand Auburn.

773
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 5: They've got to understand the sec they got to understand

774
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 5: that landscape. A lot of the names I heard getting

775
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 5: knocked around were guys that were not sitting head coaches

776
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,280
Speaker 5: but assistants at other places, you know, former Auburn players,

777
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 5: former Auburn assistants, where it's like, Okay, can you come

778
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 5: in and help steady the ship for us, because we

779
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 5: need an Auburn person, We need somebody who understands this

780
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 5: to kind of bring it all in. You know, people

781
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 5: were going to mention, people are gonna mention Hugh Freeze

782
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 5: as always in connection to any open sec job, and

783
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 5: I guess that would have been the one where it's like, Okay,

784
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 5: you aren't going to be able to pluck a really

785
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 5: big sitting head coach at this point in time, especially

786
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 5: with all this going on, But maybe leaving a place

787
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 5: like Liberty beal a whole lot easier for a guy

788
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 5: like Freeze. But yeah, more of the names you heard

789
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 5: of were guys that had connections to Auburn either had

790
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 5: played there in the past or a coach there, and

791
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 5: just guys known for their recruiting acumen. And so it

792
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 5: would have been interesting they would have tried to swing

793
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 5: for some for some folks, some some bigger names. But

794
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 5: I go back to kind of a really telling story

795
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 5: and all of this is when Brent Ventables got hired

796
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 5: at Oklahoma, he specifically mentioned Auburn and the.

797
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 2: Mess at Auburn alignment.

798
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 5: Now it's like, you know, yeah, the alignment didn't work.

799
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 5: The alignment was the alignment wasn't really are fit and so's.

800
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 5: It would have scared awful lot of big name name folks.

801
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 5: So I think you were gonna have to if Auburn

802
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 5: was in that spot, you we're gonna have to go

803
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 5: to somebody and say, hey, can you come in here

804
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 5: and be our you know, be our you know, best

805
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 5: case scenario b R daboswhenny be somebody's like, hey, you

806
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 5: know this, you know what we're doing here. You're not

807
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 5: a sitting head coach, you might not even be a

808
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: sitting coordinator at this point. But we need somebody to

809
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 5: to who understands us. And maybe it'll work, maybe it'll click.

810
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was gonna be a mess either way.

811
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 4: Man, it is such a unicorn to chase the Auburn guy, right,

812
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: bring bring so and so home. We've seen it pretty

813
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 4: much everywhere around college football. Michigan was dealing with it

814
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 4: up until recently until they beat Ohio State getting the

815
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 4: system guy, the program guy, bringing somebody back home. You know,

816
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 4: I think it works better on paper. I don't know

817
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 4: if there's any data to really back up that as

818
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: a permanent solution that goes somewhere.

819
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 5: And I think that was part of the when they

820
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 5: got Harson, it was just like, Oh, this is somebody

821
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 5: who's not outside, this is against against the grain, and

822
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 5: it's like, okay, well, I mean the pitch made sense. Right,

823
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 5: Man's won seventy six percent of his games as a

824
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 5: head coach, really stable situation at Boise State. What if

825
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,440
Speaker 5: we bring him into here and get that consistency, that execution,

826
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 5: that play calling and all that and match it with

827
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 5: SEC talent and SEC resources. Man, we could do something

828
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 5: here with that. And so I think if this ends

829
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 5: up ultimately not working, you know, you'll go You'll hire.

830
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 5: You'll hire somebody who's the opposite of your ex Right,

831
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 5: you're gonna go, Yeah, you're gonna go right after somebody

832
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 5: who Okay, time to go all in on recruiting, time

833
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 5: to go all in with Southeastern ties. And so yeah,

834
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 5: it would have been It would have been crazy, because

835
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 5: that was the thing about the Harson search hire, the

836
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 5: whole process. It was so not Auburn that it feels like,

837
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 5: if if they ever have to do this in the

838
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 5: near future again, it's gonna be very very Auburn again.

839
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: Is there a universe in which and I don't presume

840
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 2: there is because there's too much money to be left

841
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 2: on the table by Brian Harson. But is there a

842
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: universe in which he looks at Auburn and he looks

843
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: at his life at Auburn and what he has done himself,

844
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 2: what he has to deal with at a place like Auburn,

845
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: which is a lot. It's just a lot, and it's

846
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: not again not very different from a lot of places,

847
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,399
Speaker 2: but when you don't win, it can be a big weight.

848
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 2: Is there a universe in which he says, I think

849
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go coach at Arizona State. I think I'm

850
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: gonna go coach at Washington State. I think I'm gonna

851
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: go coach at enter school here and maybe we can

852
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 2: figure out a quiet deal with Auburn where it doesn't

853
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: look like I'm fired, but also I'm five million dollars

854
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 2: richer and not eighteen million dollars richer. Is there that

855
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: universe where there is just a very smooth and amicable

856
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: you know what, This isn't working for both of us.

857
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: Let me just move is is that a thing that

858
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 2: you could see happening.

859
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 5: I'll be honest, and if if that was ever, if

860
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 5: that was ever gonna happen, it would have happened last week.

861
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just the open jobs are the thing that's

862
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: in the way of it happening.

863
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: Last year exactly.

864
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I I agree there were you know, when

865
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 5: the when the Washington job came open, his name got

866
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 5: linked to it.

867
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: Just connection.

868
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Chris Peterson connection obviously was big at Washington.

869
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: And yeah, I think there might have been some of

870
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 5: that where you look around and say, Okay, well maybe

871
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 5: it's better off over here. But Brian Harson, knowing what

872
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 5: I know about him, having covered him now for a

873
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 5: little over a year, and what he has said about

874
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 5: this job is that he truly believes he can make

875
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 5: it work at Auburn and he's going to stick it out.

876
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,720
Speaker 5: And I think what you said there is a pretty

877
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 5: good point as well. Having all that money's not gonna

878
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 5: be bad either, you know, even though he's not getting

879
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 5: paid like the top top SEC coaches, you know, Auburt

880
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 5: still pays pays pretty pretty top dollar for for pretty

881
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 5: much anybody in their their their their football operation.

882
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: Were there any concessions made given that he is keeping

883
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: his job, But like is they're saying, Okay, you're keeping

884
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: your job. We didn't find something for cause to get

885
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 2: rid of you. But these are the types of coaches

886
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: you're going to be hiring moving forward. This is the

887
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: type of recruiting operation we need to focus on. Like,

888
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: is there are there more hands pulling strings with regard

889
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: to the Brian Harson Auburn operation.

890
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 5: Now, I don't know if there's more hands pulling its strings,

891
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 5: but I think there's been a lot of and I

892
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 5: think Harson even admitted it with his in his statement,

893
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 5: It's like there's a lot of learning to be done

894
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 5: and a lot of Okay, we got to make sure

895
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 5: that we don't get in this spot again.

896
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 3: And I go back to something.

897
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 5: After the Birmingham ball, Harson had this long answer to

898
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 5: a question about his first season at Auburn where he

899
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 5: talked about, like, man, I've learned more in this year

900
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 5: of coaching than I have ever learned in any of

901
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 5: my other years in the past. And I think he

902
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 5: you know, he's a smart guy. He looks around and says, Okay,

903
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 5: what we did this year is not going to be enough.

904
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: To win moving forward.

905
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 5: And so whether that is changing up the way you

906
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 5: can you run your offense, the way you organize your roster,

907
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 5: the way you recruit. I think there's a lot of it,

908
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 5: especially through this process, where you can look and say, Okay,

909
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 5: there's got to be some there's got to be some changes,

910
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 5: there's got to be some some some movement there. So

911
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 5: maybe not just string pulling as much, right, because that

912
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 5: never really works out at all, right, And I think

913
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 5: I think that's not you know, that's not something that

914
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 5: he's going to be agreeing to moving forward. But I

915
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 5: do think there's a lot of Okay, we need to

916
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 5: learn from this and get better and move on, you know,

917
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 5: in a positive direction. And I think I think this,

918
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 5: I think this really underscored a lot of that for him.

919
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: If we're having this conversation in a year from today,

920
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 2: are we talking about Brian Harson head coach? Are we

921
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: talking about a similar will they won't they? Situation? Where

922
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: are we going to find ourselves in three hundred and

923
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: sixty five days as you look at the staff, the

924
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: roster and sort of gauge the temperature.

925
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I don't think there will be a

926
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 5: will they won't they situation if if it gets to this,

927
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 5: I think it, you know, if Auburn does not improve

928
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 5: this season or even takes a step back, which the

929
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 5: roster is not as good as the one that they

930
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 5: had last year, and the schedule gets tougher. So just

931
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 5: those two things itself, it's gonna take a lot of

932
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 5: hard work for Auburn to show progress this year. So

933
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 5: I think if they get to a point moving forward,

934
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 5: especially after all this, that they feel like, Okay, this

935
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:24,879
Speaker 5: isn't working, they'll just pull the trigger and to say,

936
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 5: you know what, we're firing you.

937
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 3: We're firing you.

938
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 5: Without calls football reasons. We're gonna hit the reset button.

939
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 5: Hey it didn't work out, you know.

940
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: I I don't know.

941
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 5: I go back and forth with this team because I

942
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 5: see some pieces and I see some things like, Okay,

943
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 5: if they can reinforce this part and this part, the

944
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 5: way that schedule works out, maybe you can make it,

945
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 5: make it happen, Maybe you can take a step forward.

946
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 5: Just because of the fact the way they lost five

947
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 5: games in a row end last year, I don't know

948
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 5: if that's necessarily replicable.

949
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: But also, like I said.

950
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 5: Not a great not as great of a roster, so man,

951
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 5: it can really go through it, but I can at

952
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 5: least rule out the possibility that I don't know if

953
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 5: they'll do this weird song and dance again. I think it'll,

954
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 5: you know, if they if people want to get rid

955
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 5: of him, they will get rid of him.

956
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: And if not, they'll keep him around and.

957
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 5: Continue to build because I think the big thing about

958
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 5: Brian Harson when he got hired here, and it's still

959
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 5: true even though the year one wasn't great, it was.

960
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 3: That this is a long term move.

961
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 5: This is a They hired Brian Harson not to say

962
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 5: we're gonna we're gonna kick Nick Saban and and and

963
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 5: uh and and Kirby Smart right down right now. We're

964
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 5: going after him from year one there. Auburn wants to

965
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 5: get set up so that whenever Saban inevitably is done,

966
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 5: they can be in a spot where they can compete.

967
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,280
Speaker 5: Problem there is is that LSU's already doing that. Texas

968
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 5: A and M's definitely doing that. And you know everybody

969
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 5: else in the sez Old, Miss Arkansas is building up

970
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 5: like there's a lot of places like that. So yeah,

971
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 5: this is uh, this is a hire that required patients

972
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 5: and it's already apparent that there's some people who aren't

973
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 5: very patient around.

974
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 2: Here very much. So final question. You're from the area

975
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: you attended Auburn, you cover Auburn. If somebody is traveling

976
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: to Auburn, Alabama or environs therein where where should they eat? What?

977
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 3: What house should you eat?

978
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: Where should you eat in or around Auburn, Alabama? If

979
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 2: you're visiting for whatever reason, how are you maximizing the

980
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: enjoyment of your stomach?

981
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I love this question.

982
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 5: My number one recommendation is if you are going, if

983
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 5: you are around Auburn h and around lunchtime on weekdays,

984
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 5: Saturday is this is the only day that they're closed,

985
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 5: go to Panty George's. It's a it's a soul food

986
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 5: place right off the interstate going into campus. It is,

987
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 5: in my opinion, the best fried chicken in the world. Uh,

988
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 5: you got all of the all of the all the

989
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 5: sides are just absolute money. That's my place. That's my

990
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 5: number one recommendation. I eat there way too much as

991
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 5: it is. I'll tell you it's one of those places.

992
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 5: Though it's not a touristy place, it's gonna get a

993
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 5: lot of locals in there, So that is that is

994
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 5: the spot if you're looking for something a little bit

995
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 5: nicer or around dinner time. Downtown Auburn is a place

996
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 5: called The Hound. Very nice, kind of like New American

997
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 5: kind of style. Anything they do there with steak or bacon.

998
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 3: Is a plus.

999
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 5: Love it can it can definitely recommend that and uh

1000
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 5: there is also it's they have weird hours juually only

1001
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 5: opened during the end of the week around lunchtime. There's

1002
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 5: also a place in Auburn downtown called The Irritable Bow.

1003
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 5: It's a great name, but they do a lot of

1004
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 5: Chinese fusion. They do some kind of very creative stuff.

1005
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 3: On their menu.

1006
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 5: It rotates every day and it's a newer spot, but

1007
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 5: it's come it's become one of my favorite places in Auburn.

1008
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 5: So those are my big three for sure. Oh and

1009
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,080
Speaker 5: go to Tumors. Get get some lemonade. You gotta do that.

1010
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what a risk though, calling your place the

1011
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: Irritable Bow and you yeah food, that's look, it probably

1012
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: has to be good. It probably like if you're that

1013
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: confident that you're gonna name your place that you're like, yeah, we're.

1014
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,959
Speaker 3: Way better than their competition, don't worry. They they they've

1015
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 3: got it. They've got it. They've got to going on.

1016
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 5: And if you go, if you go there, depending on

1017
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 5: what time you go, you were going to be in

1018
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 5: line for a while behind a bunch of college kids.

1019
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 3: So love it it is.

1020
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 5: It is definitely worth the way, definitely worth the way,

1021
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,399
Speaker 5: living on the edge, just like.

1022
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 4: The Auburn football program always Ferguson Auburn Observer dot com.

1023
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 4: Please go and check him out get all your Auburn

1024
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 4: insider stuff, whether it be football or basketball. He also

1025
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: does podcasting as well. It's been a pleasure to finally

1026
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: have you on. We've been following you for a while.

1027
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: Thank you for helping us, for being our Rosetta Stone

1028
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 4: here deciphering what the hell is going on with Brian

1029
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 4: Harrison in this football program.

1030
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 3: We appreciate it absolutely. It was a blast, guys.

1031
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 4: Alrighty Dan, justin Ferguson, do we get clarity now? Do

1032
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 4: you feel like you understand saying so, what.

1033
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: Hell, lod, We're not always we're not gonna be able

1034
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: to get absolute clarity because in such an unusual situation,

1035
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 2: unless one of the parties comes out and says, okay,

1036
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 2: so there was a huge misunderstanding, and that wasn't the case.

1037
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: It was more the case of there was an investigation

1038
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: into claims being made that potentially could lead to Auburn

1039
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: firing Brian Harston four cause because there appears to be

1040
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: some regret and there appears to be not maybe maybe

1041
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 2: not regret, but they don't fully love the results on

1042
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: the field, and yet they don't want to pay the

1043
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: astronomical buyout and so quickly after paying the buyout for

1044
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: Gus mals On and his staff. So it does seem

1045
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 2: to be a situation of breaking up is hard to do,

1046
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: to quote a classic song, and it doesn't seem like

1047
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: Auburn necessarily wants to fire Brian Harston and wants to

1048
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: fire another coach so quickly. But it also doesn't seem

1049
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: like they don't want to, Like it's this very vague

1050
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: zone that I don't know, like the it's not you,

1051
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: it's me, but it's not me, it's you, Like I

1052
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 2: don't I just think of like a thousand different Seinfeld

1053
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 2: episodes where and didn't George try to dump somebody and

1054
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: they just said no, no, no, we're not breaking up, no,

1055
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 2: and then she just leaves like it's just it just

1056
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: has all of the the workings of kicking the can

1057
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 2: down the road for a situation that doesn't appear to

1058
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: be a mutual fit. And I don't know. College football

1059
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: is messy. College football coaching hires and firings are messy.

1060
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 2: There's so many tentacles to the process. Be it family,

1061
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: be it money, be it players, be it recruiting, be

1062
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: it staffers, whatever that. I just I think they're both

1063
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: sort of into deep with each other, and we kind

1064
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 2: of know how it's going to end. We just don't

1065
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: know when it's going to end, and we just pay

1066
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 2: attention moving forward.

1067
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 4: I guess, well, again, don't forget to go on out

1068
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 4: and check out auburnobserver dot com. Throw justin some of

1069
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 4: your support if you're interested in seeing where the story

1070
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 4: goes next. More importantly, over under fifty k Zach Calzada Instagram.

1071
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 2: Oh buddy, Okay, so not a huge recruit, so wouldn't

1072
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 2: have gotten a ton during his recruiting process?

1073
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: Nope, nope, No.

1074
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: Thrust into the spotlight at a major place in Texas,

1075
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: A and m sureley picked up more and more beats Alabama.

1076
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: There's gonna be a wave of people you said over

1077
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 2: you said it at one nineteen, No said at fifty fifty.

1078
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: Sorry fifty Um. I I think a lot of people

1079
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: jumped off of that account when he transferred and when

1080
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 2: the back half of the season happens. So I'm gonna say.

1081
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 4: Under thirty five point one k that's pretty good.

1082
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: Though that might be verbal cash right there.

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Speaker 4: We may be able to make something happen. He's only posted.

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Speaker 1: Five times though.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the problem. You need more personality, more engagement.

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Speaker 2: From as far as I can tell, I'm going to

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Speaker 2: so I have no idea. I'm going to see if I.

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Speaker 1: Can find this.

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Speaker 4: There's got to be a third party marketplace type thing.

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Speaker 4: What is Calzada getting for some sort of promo post?

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you a personal question before we leave

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Speaker 2: the people?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Were you a better break up er or break up

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Speaker 2: e that make these allusions to relationships ending with Brian

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Speaker 2: Harrison or potentially ending? Were you a good Were you

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Speaker 2: I was good at either?

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Speaker 3: Dan?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, I would say, But what was your strategy?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how many people you've broken

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Speaker 2: up with you. You're sort of not really a player

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00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: type to me, So I, uh, what did you shoot

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00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: him straight? Did you dance around it until they got

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Speaker 2: the idea? What was your general move in that regard?

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Speaker 4: It was sort of hopefully to just fade away quietly

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Speaker 4: without having to deal with conflict the old ghost in

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Speaker 4: not a ghost, not a ghost, but just sort of

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Speaker 4: imagine if Auburn ghosted Brian, they just like didn't return

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Speaker 4: his clus, like I don't know, I haven't heard from

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00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 4: them a lot, like the office space tactic where they

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Speaker 4: just stop the paychecks. Yeah, in hoping that Milton would

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00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 4: eventually get the hint. Yeah, that was sort of my

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Speaker 4: my thing.

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Speaker 2: So you just wouldn't You would just kind of be

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Speaker 2: a quiet ass like you would. You would just think,

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Speaker 2: I think that's you would hope that they were like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is working, okay, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just sort of very casually finding a way to

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Speaker 4: just lower the temperature until it eventually freezes out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was all over. I have been direct. It

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00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: has been sort of back and forth. I think we

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Speaker 2: should know. Well, I guess we'll see. I have been

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Speaker 2: the ghosting type, which I'm not proud of. I was

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00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: not very good at all at that process and am

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00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,240
Speaker 2: thankful that hopefully I'll never have to do that again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, let's not. That would be good.

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Speaker 2: Not a great breakup. Ee. I'll be honest too, man,

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Speaker 2: that you got the EMO phase, you have the sort

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Speaker 2: of like I I'm not sure why that happened, but

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Speaker 2: I don't really want to keep texting and call, Like

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Speaker 2: I just don't want to do that anymore, but like

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Speaker 2: you just sort of sit and stew I was not good.

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Speaker 4: No, And I think for us when it was going on, yeah,

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00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 4: when we were really in those formative years. It was

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Speaker 4: also the era of AOL instant messenger and the away message, Yeah,

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00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 4: where the away message was really a portal into the

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Speaker 4: soul and you always knew which of your friends were

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Speaker 4: going through something. Oh yeah, I'd like to say I

1141
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 4: was above that. That, I was above the vaguely emo

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Speaker 4: e Facebook status posting. I was not above any of that, Dann.

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Speaker 2: All right, I love that. That's all.

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 4: Awesome show as usual, Dan, thank you so much for

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Speaker 4: stopping by giving us some of your wisdom, and we appreciate,

1147
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 4: of course. The true champion of this episode when Justin

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Speaker 4: Ferguson from Auburn Observer dot com. Don't forget to go

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00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:08,759
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1150
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 4: check out all the bonus stuff that we do through

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Speaker 4: the course of a given week, through the course of

1152
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 4: a given month. We've got a lot of excitement yet

1153
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 4: to come. I promise you we're just getting started here

1154
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 4: this offseason. If you haven't fought along with social media,

1155
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Speaker 4: look for the solid verbal. We're all over the place.

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Speaker 4: Subscribe to the YouTube channel. We'll post a clip from

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Speaker 4: this episode. We're staying busy here in the off season,

1158
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Speaker 4: always trying to stay warm. That's what There is no

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Speaker 4: off season for that guy over there, my good friend

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Speaker 4: Dan Rubinstein, for myself, tigh Hill to Brand.

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Speaker 1: We will be back with y'all on Thursday. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: stay solid, peace,