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Speaker 3: I dare you. Now with that said, I have former

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Speaker 3: Army ranger I think first Ranger, first Battalion first first,

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Speaker 3: probably first, Prices first is the best of the rangers.

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Speaker 3: Hold on also Navajo Nation journalist freelancer. Okay, so he

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Speaker 3: writes and goes after, you know, stories for the Navajo Nation.

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Speaker 2: Cyrus Norcross, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you for having me

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Speaker 4: around and listen to the podcast quite a bit. So

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Speaker 4: glad to be here.

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Speaker 3: It's glad.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Really honestly, it's it's awesome now. As you know, on

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Speaker 3: the podcast, I like to talk to my guests a

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Speaker 3: little bit about like where you came from. So as

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Speaker 3: a young man and Cyrus, you know, we touch base

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Speaker 3: that you were a ranger, what led you to wanting

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Speaker 3: where where'd you come from? Were you are you from

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Speaker 3: the reservation? Did you live in the city. Can you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I grew up in Arizona on a Navaho Nation.

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Speaker 4: I grew up on and off. My family was really

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Speaker 4: stories going away back before the Spanish derived like hearing

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Speaker 4: stories of like one of my great great great great

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Speaker 4: like during that time World War one had people going.

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Speaker 4: Then Bold War two came, so that's where my grandpa

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah. Rommel's books of like how to Fare Wars,

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Speaker 4: Like and from there, like you know, my my uncle

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Speaker 3: So the Army did they come knocking on your door

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Speaker 4: I was actually originally to go Marines just to just

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot Colonel Danny McKnight of the Rangers that

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Speaker 3: black Hawk down, you see Danny mcnikee shot in the neck.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that? Do you see Matt Ever's been

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Speaker 3: repelling out of a black Hawk helicopter with RPGs. That's

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Speaker 3: what a Ranger does, right. Funny enough, those two guys

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Speaker 3: but another story, but so so Cyrus. Did you think

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Speaker 2: I mean, like when you're going.

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Speaker 3: Through like indoctrination and you know, happened to sing the

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Speaker 4: You're not wrong? Well, I got to a Doctionnation program

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Speaker 4: but I was like, it was a varsity cross country.

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Speaker 4: But I would still hop on every once in a while,

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Speaker 4: this is a challenge, and it was. It definitely was

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Speaker 3: Just do whatever cood to get out on time. Right,

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Speaker 3: So they're like giving you this impossible timeframe of mustard, Right,

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Speaker 3: that's what you're telling me, like roll call and they're

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Speaker 3: just slattered information?

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Speaker 4: It was an interesting. It was an interesting time period.

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Speaker 4: Like they were always talking to this about the war.

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Speaker 4: So one of the things I vividly remember, member was

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Speaker 4: this anymore. You don't do aut to be hungry. You

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Speaker 3: It's like some kind of game show but not you know,

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Speaker 3: it's like yeah, yeah, mister beast is like I'll give

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Speaker 3: just baited your brain, you know, and so well, good

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Speaker 3: job on making it through, you know, through the Ranger process.

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Speaker 3: And then you got put into the Ranger regiment. Right,

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Speaker 3: you went Ranger, So you didn't just get uh Jory,

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Speaker 3: you got put into the regiment and that is like

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Speaker 3: search and destroy.

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Speaker 2: Bro.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I went to So I went to first Battalion,

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Speaker 4: the place you didn't want to go with Charlie Company.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to go to Charlie Company. And I

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Speaker 4: end up getting Charlie Company. I just like this tall

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Speaker 4: you guys, who's all this is all Cicco?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 4: Come with me? And then like like just I came

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Speaker 4: a fucking Cicco and like everyone was like this dude

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Speaker 4: around this guy, this huge, huge six, I was like, man,

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Speaker 4: I want to be like this guy. Like this guys,

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Speaker 4: this guy's sucking like he's a he's a ranger man.

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Speaker 4: Like that's what I want to be. I want to grow,

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Speaker 4: Like is there any drinks that I could have to grow?

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. Racist was coming from him.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember his name? You want to say it? Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Then, my buddy, I bet you that fans like the ghosts,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, it was. It was interesting. I mean,

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Speaker 4: meets go by, we're on another target and the guy's

432
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 4: there again, and like we're like, dude, like this, somebody's

433
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 4: up with this kid, and then they end up sucking

434
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,879
Speaker 4: hauling in. So that was that was interesting. You started

435
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 4: like seeing like stuff like that, like that dude was

436
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 4: just there all the time, interesting.

437
00:20:52,440 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 3: Guy, Yeah, not randomly just there, you know, like yeah, yeah, wild, yeah, yeah,

438
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 3: like how come that? How can we can't? The first

439
00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 3: time you're like, okay, I'm gonna slide. The second time

440
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 3: you're like, I think that kid. The third time you

441
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 3: were like this dude needs to get snatched or what.

442
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean well the second time they snatched him

443
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,879
Speaker 4: up and then then and then he was gone so

444
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 4: we didn't see him for a bit then and then

445
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 4: he just shows up again. Really what the fuck?

446
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

447
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 4: You know, so like a lot of those dus were

448
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 4: like that. We went after some bigger targets like this accounting.

449
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 4: When we went after no no like gun shots or anything.

450
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 4: Went but like we went in there, but there were

451
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 4: guns in there. They were just they pick them up,

452
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 4: but they were like rolexes. There were rolexes man, like

453
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 4: with istam usam on there like gold bars everywhere and

454
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 4: like just mansions. I was like, holy smokes man, it's just.

455
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean?

456
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like h he had a Sadam Usain letter,

457
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,560
Speaker 4: like a little square one, and I was like, that's

458
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 4: kind of cool. So I took that.

459
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 3: W W two.

460
00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

461
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 3: I heard a story about a guy in World War two.

462
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: He got a gold luger, went on the navy ship.

463
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:06,959
Speaker 3: He's supposed to check all that stuff in because they

464
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 3: like have any problem with it, And when he went

465
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 3: to go get it out of that locker, it was gone, wow, yeah,

466
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: because the guy in the army was like, hey, fighters

467
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 3: keepers right gold luger? Yeah yeah, yeah, you know, so

468
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: I can only imagine having, you know, any type of drinket.

469
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 3: I've seen some things I don't want to talk about

470
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 3: from people who have come back, and you know, and

471
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 3: it's interesting.

472
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 4: I've definitely, I've definitely know a few people who brought

473
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 4: back some stuff. I'm like, how did you do that?

474
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,240
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, I'm like, am I touching what you're telling me?

475
00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 3: I'm touching. Really.

476
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no brains in that.

477
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 3: That's amazing.

478
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. I kept my my little trophies too, small, small things, lighter.

479
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 4: I had a little dollar like money was a big

480
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 4: one for me. I wanted to I wanted to collect

481
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 4: the money, so money. I brought this chest set and

482
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,400
Speaker 4: I think this broke to pieces.

483
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 3: You know, the US soccer balls all over Iraq with

484
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,920
Speaker 3: you know, US propaganda like hey we're here, We're here

485
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: for you to be friends, you know, And I was like, oh, man,

486
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,560
Speaker 3: that's soccer ball. How cool of a piece of deer

487
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,199
Speaker 3: would that be? You know, we put it over there

488
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 3: because they're gonna play with it, you know. And so

489
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,920
Speaker 3: the little leaflets that we drop all over the place

490
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 3: because you spoke of money, you know, and so like

491
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: these all.

492
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: These little things I have.

493
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 3: I have a collection of stuff at my office that's

494
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 3: leaflets that people have gifted me from, you know, their travels.

495
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,160
Speaker 3: Over there. I'm looking for the soccer ball. Yeah.

496
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 4: Well one of my friends in Afghanistan I actually found

497
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:40,360
Speaker 4: a Soviet Union hat, so like, yeah, he kept it.

498
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's legit. Yeah, let's think about

499
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: that one for a second.

500
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 2: You know, after you got out of uh, you.

501
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: Know, searching and destroying and doing the ranger stuff you

502
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 3: got into like journalism. Is that how that kind of transitioned?

503
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 4: And yeah, So so I ended up getting out of

504
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 4: the army. I really I really didn't have no idea

505
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 4: what I was going to do. So I'm like, I'm

506
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 4: going back for an ablination and navlination is nothing. It's

507
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 4: like nothing there.

508
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 2: Really, it's just the same as you just kind of.

509
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this since one of the things, well, my

510
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: friends would like talk about INTERAC in Afghanistan. I remember

511
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 4: a conversation I had. I was like, man, I can't

512
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 4: believe people live like this. And my response was like, dude,

513
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 4: this is how I live like this is this is

514
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 4: an applamation, man, Like, this is what it's like. It's

515
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 4: not that big a deal with me. Like and I'm like,

516
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 4: why are you kidding me? Are you telling me that

517
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 4: there's in America there's a place that's similar to Dortaal

518
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 4: country And he's like, yeah, that's that's a navlination for you.

519
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 4: And so I get back and I was like, man,

520
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 4: what am I going to do? So I actually went

521
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 4: up to the local newspaper and I walked up and

522
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 4: I just basically, hey, I'm an Army ranger. It was

523
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 4: special Operations. I can learn quick. I'm a fast learner.

524
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 4: Take give me a job. And there's like the editor

525
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: looked at me. Have you ever like done photos or

526
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 4: writing before? I was like, I've been a photographer and

527
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: jumped out up an airplane. I've taken my camera with

528
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: me and I've done you know that kind of stuff,

529
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 4: rock marches and training like shots with my own camera,

530
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 4: and like, yeah, can you do anything else? I was like,

531
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 4: I was like, I can learn to write because it's undeployments.

532
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: I was actually I had like a little diary or

533
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 4: slash you know, journal, journal, not diary.

534
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's actually really really honestly.

535
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, So so I would write, I would write

536
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 4: in this and so that's kind of like where my

537
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 4: writing kind of came about. So I just they said

538
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 4: no to me, and I was like, well, I guess

539
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 4: I'll just join the Navajo Police Force. And a big

540
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 4: dude came out like huge. I'm not I'm not talking

541
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: big like as like muscular, I mean like fat and

542
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 4: came out and was like he looked at me, and

543
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, you know, I want to join.

544
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 4: I'm a former UND ranger. It's been about two months.

545
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 4: Like I let me do it, and I'm legit. The

546
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 4: dude was like, oh, okay, well, just so you know,

547
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: we've had Green Berets and Navy seals who cannot hack

548
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 4: our academy. Our academy is extremely strenuous and Army rangers

549
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: can't even hack it. Marines can't even hack it. So

550
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: I'm just not saying that you're not going to hack it,

551
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 4: but a lot of people can't hack our academy. And

552
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,439
Speaker 4: I was like, man, fuck this guy. I ain't even

553
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: fucking work with this, you know, like a police force

554
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 4: that comes out and like tells me that already. I

555
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:31,679
Speaker 4: was like, man, fuck this. So I ended up going

556
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: to school for a little bit, and during school's kind

557
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 4: of like on the road to journalism.

558
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 3: Now.

559
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 4: I two of my friends, as civilians, went back to

560
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 4: Iraq to help the Kurdish to fight Isis. So I

561
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 4: was like, man, that's fucking bomb, that's baller, and you know,

562
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 4: I was like, man, that's what I want to do.

563
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,719
Speaker 4: I want to be doing stuff like that, Like I'm

564
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 4: a guy of adventure, Like I'm not supposed to be

565
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 4: in school. So I took off kind of went traveling

566
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 4: for a little bit, and I was in Alaska, and

567
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 4: then then Stanner Rock was kicking off. My cousin invited

568
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: me to go with him, so I went there. I

569
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 4: really didn't have no expectation of what was going to happen,

570
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: and it blew up into this whole, big, big, big thing.

571
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: And so I get there. Yeah, like I just I

572
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: met a lot of people there and like a lot

573
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 4: of it kind of reminds me of like being on deployment,

574
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 4: where it was like it was now on the other side,

575
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: like all these people are like talking about yeah, you know,

576
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 4: there's they have this on us, they got that on us,

577
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 4: got the numbers on us. They're sending people in their camps,

578
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 4: and like at the same time, out of these Vietnam

579
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: veterans are like doing their fucking intelligence gathering on like

580
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 4: the police over there, and like I was, for the

581
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 4: most part, I stayed out of all of that. Like

582
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 4: I was like there, like right, but I was like

583
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: kind of that was for the most part staying out

584
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: of it, kind of like worried about my own little camp,

585
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 4: but what these guys are doing. And I ended up

586
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 4: meeting a bunch of journalists there like intervertently kind of

587
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 4: become friends with him, the same mindset. I didn't realize

588
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: it at the time, and I just kind of curious,

589
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: you know, and they were curious and they wanted to

590
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 4: know about the world. I wanted to know more about

591
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 4: the world, and so I started talking to him. One

592
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: of them was a French photojournalists. He's a ward he's

593
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: an award winning journalist. Now. He took me under and

594
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 4: showed me the groups of journalism and I started like

595
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 4: walking around and hanging out with all these people he

596
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 4: was talking to, watching how he interacted with people, and

597
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, man, this is cool. This journalist

598
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 4: is kind of a quick background. He was in Ukraine

599
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 4: during revolution. He was hanging out with the French fid

600
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 4: legion when the war was going on, I believe in

601
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 4: stan and like he almost got murdered by by someone

602
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 4: with the acts and they said the dude got killed

603
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 4: like right in front of him. So like I was like, wow, dude,

604
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: you were the Ukraine Revolution. He since he's since gone

605
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 4: back to Ukraine during during the war and he's got

606
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: he came back. Now. I keep in touch with him still,

607
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: and so I learned. I got to learn a lot

608
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: from him, and that's when I kind of was like,

609
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 4: I'm going to be a journalist. Like there's there's not

610
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 4: a lot of Native voices, there's not a lot of

611
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 4: Native journalists out there, and iwardly want to speak on

612
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 4: a lot of these things shoes that are going on

613
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 4: in the reservation. So I got in into that very

614
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: like first big story that I was working on. I

615
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: had no idea what I was doing. It was kind

616
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 4: of a kind of a green journalist and I was

617
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 4: still kind of like riding off that whole ranger, you know.

618
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 4: I still kind of had that cocky attitude and I

619
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 4: was kind of like rolling around. So I ended up

620
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: going to the Tijuana Autumn Reservation, which is near the

621
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 4: border of Mexico and Arizona, so southern Arizona, i should say,

622
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 4: and straight near the border. And so I heard like

623
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 4: stories of like the cartel going into not on the

624
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 4: reservation and knocking on doors and basically like forcing these

625
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 4: people to be drug runners for them, and so I

626
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,479
Speaker 4: was like, Wow, that's really that's really interesting. So I

627
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 4: was like talking to people about that. I was like

628
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 4: getting contacts with the Border Patrol and when one dude

629
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 4: I was able to finally kind of talk to him

630
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 4: and set up a time. But before that happened, before

631
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: I cut it and stopped the story, I was like,

632
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: I went to this bar because I was like, I

633
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 4: asked someone like something like I was going to school

634
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 4: at Uba University of Arizona. I asked one of my colleagues.

635
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, what uh what is like

636
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 4: a bar that some owning a boy a cartel or

637
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 4: club here in Tucson, you know? And he was like

638
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, Like he's like, but this one

639
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 4: place kind of seems kind of sketchy, like to really

640
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 4: go there. So I went there. I went there and

641
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: like I don't know Spanish, but I look up and

642
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: I look Spanish, I look Mexican, and so I was

643
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 4: just like yeah, so I was yeah. So I went

644
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: in and like guys were like asking me for like

645
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: what I want to drink? Is Spanish? I could kind

646
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: of understand him from just from a loam and my

647
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: friends who are in Mexican. Yeah, I was like, I

648
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: was like, I'll take a yeah, take avesa like yeah,

649
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: who knows. I was like okay, yeah, yeah exactly. So

650
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 4: I was there, and I was just like mine in

651
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 4: my own business, just drinking and drinking a beer and

652
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 4: kind of wanted to see what this place was about.

653
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, I see just do just like

654
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: starting something like some some sip with sh sh it

655
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 4: was going down, and like the bouncers, they didn't like

656
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: throw them out. Man, they just started beating the ship

657
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 4: out of him. They beat this guy. I just beat

658
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: the ship out of him. And like they didn't throw

659
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: him out, they said they looked to the corner. They

660
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 4: look in the corner of like some group of guys

661
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: in the corner of the room, and then you just

662
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: see the guy go and then they just fucking dragged

663
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 4: him to another room in the back. And I was like,

664
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 4: oh shit, this is this is it? Like I'm here

665
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: right now. And I ended up, like I said, I'm

666
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 4: a green journal or something. I don't know. I don't

667
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 4: know what I was doing. I mean I could probably

668
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 4: get a story now a more with more thought process

669
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 4: and without an experience.

670
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, the story you're creating the story of the story. Yeah,

671
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: like oh, sitting down right about me?

672
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I didn't get invited, So the story got

673
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 4: killed because I got invited to. I invited his Mexican party.

674
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 4: So I go for New Year. So I go there

675
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: and I'm kind of doing my things. I'm just talking

676
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 4: to people, not really trying to do a story. And

677
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: like some I was like sitting went and I was like,

678
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: my buddy was sitting with me. And then he walked off.

679
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: And I was at this bar and this guy came

680
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: up to me. Alligator boots on pants, huge buckle, silk

681
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: fucking dress shirt, creasy hat.

682
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, it's like yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, You're

683
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 3: like yeah, yeah, yeah.

684
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: He sits in front of me and then he's just

685
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: he's just he's being super calm. He's like, hey, you

686
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: want a beer, And I was like, he bought me

687
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: a beer. I'm drinking a beer with him. And he

688
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 4: was like talking to me for a little bit and

689
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: he was like, hey, you're a journalist. I was like yeah.

690
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 4: He goes, you're working on this story about you know,

691
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 4: the cartel, but I was like yeah, I am, and

692
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: he's like, yeah, you should stop that story. I was like, no,

693
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 4: I have to write it, like I get it because

694
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: and then he's like no, no, no, no, no, you should

695
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: stop right And I was like nah, no, Like, who's

696
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 4: this guy? I was like who are you? And he

697
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 4: was like, oh, you know who I am? I was like, now,

698
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: I've never met you before, No, you know who I am.

699
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: I was like looking. I was like kind of like

700
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: I was like kind of like looked him up and

701
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 4: I was like, how to get it boots? You know,

702
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 4: I was like silk tress shirt. And I was like, oh, okay,

703
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 4: I know who you are. And he's like yes, I'm

704
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: just gonna ask you kindly stop the story. Nothing's going

705
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: to happen. Just just stop. I was like, all right,

706
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: stop it.

707
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that was it.

708
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 4: I never stopped. I never continued with that story. I mean,

709
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: now it's a total different, total different ballgame.

710
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 3: You're like, okay, you know, I get it.

711
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 2: H You realized it was for real?

712
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

713
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

714
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: So like it was kind of one of those things

715
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 4: where it was like I kind of saw myself as

716
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 4: like one of those old school journalists like getting the story,

717
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: you know, Like I was like, oh man, this is

718
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 4: is not how we should be going about getting the story.

719
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 4: Like things are things should be different. I learned a

720
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 4: lot from that too as well.

721
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 3: Journalism and journalists are a target you know, and uh,

722
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: you know, they are uncovering things and like Koshogi, who

723
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: was you know butchered at the embassy by you know

724
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: who we all know did it, had it done, you know,

725
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: and he was sawn up into little pieces because he

726
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 3: was going after the stories.

727
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: You know, he's so deep into these stories. They're just

728
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: he wouldn't stop.

729
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 3: So, I mean, journalism, journalism is a I don't want

730
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: to say, a dying craft, you know what I mean.

731
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 3: And it needs to continue. We have to keep the

732
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 3: freedom of press and journalism out there.

733
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 2: It has to keep going.

734
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: People have to take the torch like yourself and just

735
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: you know, you're like, hey, it's a different day now, right,

736
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: you'd have a different means of doing what you want

737
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: to do and maybe not so involved. But that green

738
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: journalist out there that you were is trying to chase

739
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 3: that same thing, and they're going to find themselves in

740
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 3: the same position.

741
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know, yeah, I was

742
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 4: just very I was very very fortunate, I guess you

743
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 4: could say. And I ended up eventually around that time period.

744
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 4: I actual dropped out of college at that time and

745
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 4: got a drop offer from from one of my buddies

746
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 4: he's a combat controller. And she was like, yeah, man,

747
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: I got this. I got this contract which'd be interested in.

748
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 4: We'd be doing intelligence with the Royal Air Force with drones.

749
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, sure, why not. So I did

750
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 4: that for a good minute and basically just like helping

751
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: train the prole Air Force and intelligence gathering and to

752
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 4: establish a terish network organization and from that, and I

753
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 4: was like the ground maneuver. So I was like the

754
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: dude who would like kind of like set up the

755
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 4: the guys and kind of display how you know, people

756
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 4: would move around and walk around and stuff like that,

757
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 4: how they would interact with like in a gunfight. So

758
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: I was I was doing that. Eventually I got to

759
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 4: the point where I was actually the guy like in

760
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 4: the talk, you know, like talking to talking to the.

761
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,320
Speaker 2: Tactical Operation Command right a talk.

762
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: T o C. Yeah yeah, yeah, so you're in like

763
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 3: a operation command center. Yeah, mobile, but I'm not sure

764
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: if this is mobile, right, and so yeah right, yeah,

765
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 3: I'm just explained to my listener what the talk is, right,

766
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: because you're inside of a command and control center where

767
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: everybody's making decisions and there's probably maps and things being

768
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: pointed at and you're in there.

769
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 2: Yeah.

770
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so I kind of got to do I

771
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 4: got to do that. And like my buddies were just

772
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: like Jordan or like tac BS and Majordia of common Controllers.

773
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: So I was like the only Army ranger.

774
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: Area Air Force Air Force tactical party. Yeah he yeah,

775
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: caught back Controllers. Yeah, clear airfield. Yeah, sure that it's

776
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: clear to h you know they're.

777
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 4: Bad, yea, they are, man, you.

778
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: A shout out, bro, he just made UFC caught Back

779
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: Control give a shout out.

780
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah yeah we yea. We ended up I end

781
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: up working with those guys and they basically kind of

782
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 4: training me up in a lot of that, and I

783
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: was like, well, this is cool, it's really fun. I

784
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 4: wish I was a tach peek.

785
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. When I was going through boot, they're the only

786
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: guys you saw at basic training, but they had already

787
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: gone through all their you know training, and they were

788
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 3: like in these black flight suits. No one else wears

789
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 3: black flight suits. Everyone else is like in you know,

790
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: camis or BDU's camouflage. And then there's these like six

791
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: guys hanging over an edge of a railing, like smoking

792
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: with baseball hats and black flight suits just big American

793
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: flags on them like Delta Force like the movie. And

794
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: I'm just like, yeah, bro, those guys just getna walk

795
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 3: around and they probably have wheelbarrows to carry every pair

796
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 3: of their balls, you know what I'm saying. It's like, okay,

797
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: here we are, what do you need from us parking

798
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 3: our wheelbarrows? Yeah?

799
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: I did that, and I actually took a lot of

800
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 4: those skills and I started apply that to journalism and

801
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: that that that that up my game like one hundred percent.

802
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 4: And man like now I'm like this full fledged journalist

803
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 4: and like I'm now going to try some stories now,

804
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: like on a whole different level. Now It's like, Okay,

805
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: I'm not the one, dude. Now I'm talking to people

806
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 4: who are in it, talking to people who like you know,

807
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 4: are there who witness these stuff. And then I go

808
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 4: and I talk to them and verified them. So a

809
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 4: lot of these people, like I really like one of

810
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: the one of them was a girl. She you know,

811
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 4: she had top secret clearance. She was sick and those

812
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: intelligence and so like I would like reach out to

813
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 4: her about like specific things that are happening, and so

814
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 4: I talked to her about stuff and and so I

815
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 4: started to establish like you know, and veterans basically and

816
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 4: in these like in these spaces and kind of find

817
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 4: out what's going on like human and what's going on

818
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 4: in the commun Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's essentially essentially that's

819
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: what it was. I mean, as a journalist who there's

820
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff I would I started reading a

821
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: lot of journalism books, a lot of these investigative journalists.

822
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 4: How how they which go about their gathering your sources.

823
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 4: I mean I even started reading like some spy books

824
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: just just to kind of get an idea of like

825
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: how they would create their their sources as well. And

826
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, so this is this is what

827
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 4: you know investigative journalism. Next, you know, I'm an investigative journalist,

828
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 4: and like I'm uncovering all these different different things that

829
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 4: are happening on the reservation, a lot of corruption going on.

830
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my gosh, this is this is.

831
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: Wild and publisher that you're being that you're putting out there.

832
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: Is there something that they're all abrogated or are you

833
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: just kind of like freelance and it's whoever picks up

834
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 3: your articles, you know, if it's for the res or

835
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: the Navajo Reservation is you know.

836
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, the majority of the majority of the stories. I

837
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 4: actually have a website. It's it's a really strange website,

838
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 4: like you can't look it up, like you put down

839
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: a sier snow Across journal part folio dot com, it's

840
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 4: something like that. But I do have it on the

841
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 4: LinkedIn so you can talk LinkedIn, and then I have

842
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 4: an Instagram as well. The website's on there, so you

843
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 4: just just right there, you can click it and you

844
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 4: see all these stories. Like literally, I haven't published anything

845
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 4: because I'm kind of focusing on on my other projects

846
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 4: right now. And I was just in New York kind

847
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 4: of won an award and from Mexico section called Military

848
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 4: Vetters and Journalism.

849
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 2: I told me that you just won.

850
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so it's Military Vetters and Journalism. I got

851
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 4: into New York and basic the ward. The story that

852
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 4: I did it on was about potential police brutality within

853
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 4: the Navajo Nation and this individual ended up twenty one

854
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 4: year old kid was drunk and the Navel police officer

855
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 4: at the time was saying he'd started thrown up in

856
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 4: the back of his seat, so he took him out

857
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: from the back of the seat and sat him out

858
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: on the back of the car, have the cough car,

859
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: and he went to go to the front of vehicle

860
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 4: to get some gloves and some kleenics to go clean

861
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: the back of the seat. So when he went to

862
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 4: go do that, he came back and the kid was

863
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 4: gone gone. That's what That's what the press he said,

864
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,400
Speaker 4: That's what I was told. Yeah, he was just gone, disappeared.

865
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: We went to look for him, we couldn't find them.

866
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 3: And so my thing with.

867
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 4: That, as I started asking questions, I was like, you're

868
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: telling me that an experience officer did not hear a

869
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 4: twenty one year old drunk kid run away. I'm like,

870
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 4: I've been to that police station. They actually work out

871
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: of a post office. I was like, you know, I've

872
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: been to the police station. It's not even a police station.

873
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 4: It's a post office. You have seven foot fences and

874
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 4: it's a gravel so you can hear someone's running.

875
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

876
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: I was like, so you're tough, yeah, yeah, he's coughed.

877
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 4: And I was like, so you're telling me that twenty

878
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 4: one year old drunk kid just happened to slip through

879
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 4: and experienced police officers ears and eyes like you weren't

880
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 4: aware of any of this, and the press release like

881
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 4: what we said is what we said, And so I

882
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 4: dove into the kid. They found a kid like two

883
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 4: or three weeks later drowned in a canal with a

884
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: handcuffed by his back, and so I dove into that story.

885
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 4: Like the family has now since been like done a

886
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 4: lawsuit and so they're they're trying to get some sort

887
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 4: of like compensation from.

888
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 3: That and this.

889
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's really nothing going on with there. It's

890
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 4: kind of a stealmy right now. So their lawyer they're

891
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 4: you know, it's they're kind of going back and forth

892
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: right now. And so that that's the award I got

893
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 4: it for. It was kind of highlighting that. I mean,

894
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 4: it's not just that, Like the main thing I actually

895
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 4: do I do now it is called missing my Indigenous people,

896
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 4: and that one is a huge issue just and it

897
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 4: goes back to this case that happened back in nineteen

898
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 4: seventy eight. So it's called the Oliphant versus the Coma

899
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 4: Stribe and this individual on it's no Native was kind

900
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:11,879
Speaker 4: of giving hecking the tribal police for whatever he was using.

901
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: T kidd like hecking the Native police there, and so

902
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 4: the Native police were like, all right, man, like your

903
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: cause of an issue. So they threw him in jail

904
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 4: and like, hey man, we're gonna we're gonna charge you

905
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 4: for disordered the conduct and for being I forgot the

906
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 4: word was assaulting.

907
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 3: At last native?

908
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, yeah, he's no native doing this to native

909
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: Native police. And so it ended up going all the

910
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 4: way to Supreme Court. The guy was like, you guys

911
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: don't have jurisdiction only so it goes all the way

912
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: to the Supreme Court, and Supreme Court rules that tribal

913
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 4: courts and tribal police have no georgisdiction or authorization to

914
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 4: put non natives in jail, and so that Yeah, this

915
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: was in nineteen seventy eight, and so that still applies

916
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 4: to it still applies to this day. And so a

917
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: lot of this, a lot of crime start of spiking

918
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: up from non natives coming to the reservations, like all

919
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: across the reservations and and we just I mean getting

920
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 4: away with murder. I mean you you you hear it

921
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 4: all across and yeah, and so this whole miss and

922
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 4: murder started and well it started way back then, and

923
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 4: you just hear all switts. Like, I've had a lot

924
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 4: of ladies walking on to me and telling me someone

925
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,879
Speaker 4: are like like very vulnerable stories, becoming very vulnerable, telling

926
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: me like how like the sisters were murdered, the brothers

927
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 4: gone missing. Currently, this dude, one of one of the

928
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 4: stories that a family and I'm working with just like

929
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: this guy just went missing, like he went to windmill

930
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 4: and they feel like something else had happened to him,

931
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 4: like there was, there's, there's it's it's huge, like one

932
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: of these girls getting trafficked, like a potential mansion that

933
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 4: has holding woman inside. It's huge. And so like I'm

934
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 4: I'm in it. I'm like again, I'm in it, but

935
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 4: I'm I'm a lot more the full fledged I'm not

936
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 4: like dude, you know, being being an idiot to be like.

937
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: H here's my money. Can I get a girl? And

938
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 3: you're trying to get the story and get in and

939
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 3: like yeah yeah, now you're like, well no, I feel

940
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 3: you dude. Oh man, Yeah yeah, it's not that you're

941
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: going after though, dude, Yeah, yeah, it is.

942
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: It is. It's huge. And so That's where I'm at

943
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: right now. And so I'm working on a short documentary. Actually,

944
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 4: I'm working on a couple of projects, so short documentaries

945
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: about the canine search and rescue just apple whole lady

946
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 4: actually started her own search and rescue operation, our organization

947
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 4: and to address the lack of search and rescue from

948
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: Natalination police force because they don't have one, you know,

949
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: they don't have that. And so she started doing that

950
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 4: and like now all these families just talked her. Man,

951
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: they tell her all sorts of information and then like

952
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 4: that chick, she's been shot at. Man, like she's been

953
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 4: shot at. Like I was like, holy fuck, you were

954
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: shot at? And she's like, yeah, you know, at this

955
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: one area because we're searching for this person's family. I

956
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 4: was like, holy fuck. Like know, So she's like throwing

957
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 4: around with the pistol all the time, and so so

958
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 4: like I go, I'll go out with searchers with her

959
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 4: every once in a while and just kind of like

960
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 4: see what's up. I'll usually bring my pistol to with

961
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 4: me and.

962
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: On the on the reservation, on the on the nation

963
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: with a pistol, what you guys have the same everybody

964
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: can tete one around or oh man.

965
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 4: You know, it's so it's such an interesting man that's

966
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 4: such an interesting thing because.

967
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: I feel like there's like it's like, what the hell, man,

968
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 3: it's native of bro, you're the indigenous people, okay, Like

969
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: I owe you everything, you know, Like I'm so pistol

970
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 3: now as this white dude.

971
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry.

972
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 3: I just want to say that, like this whole like

973
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 3: you can't lock someone up because they're not of the

974
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: tribe or they're not from the area. It's just shitty.

975
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 3: I don't swear on my podcast, but I'm finding it inside. Bro,

976
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: Yeah this is not funny. Yeah, I mean like it is.

977
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 4: But yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

978
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: So can you carry Like is it okay? Just to

979
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: like roll on?

980
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 4: It's it's a it's a super interesting thing. So I

981
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 4: had one officer one time. This meth had came and

982
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 4: like tried to break into our place and I ended

983
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 4: up I ended up beating him. I didn't kill him

984
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 4: or anything. Like he probably thought it was just my

985
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 4: mom there. Little did he know I was. I was

986
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: home and came out and like I just threw the

987
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 4: dude on the ground. I threw him off the porch,

988
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 4: I mean, and like it was just like bewilder and

989
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 4: I just like held him down I started being the

990
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 4: crap out of him and tied him up, called the police.

991
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 4: Police came and legit robat him. The police officer goes,

992
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 4: you have a gun. I was like, yeah, he goes

993
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 4: next time to shoot him, right, And so that's one

994
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 4: police officer. Another police officer spoke to was like, yeah,

995
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 4: you know, you can carry, but you can't carry in public.

996
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: Another police officer I spoke to was like, we're not

997
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: allowed to have anything, like as citizens, we're not we're

998
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 4: not supposed to have. So I've heard three different views

999
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 4: and perspectives from three different officers who it's it's not

1000
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 4: like the actual law when you look at it, it

1001
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 4: says that as a native of Navajo, you can actually carry,

1002
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 4: but you can't carry open carry. So but these police

1003
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 4: officers more like one of them was like, okay, I

1004
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 4: see your pistol.

1005
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 3: You know, just just.

1006
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 4: Make sure it's not loaded, you know, while we're while

1007
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 4: we're doing these searches, and just just make sure it's

1008
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 4: not loaded one that once in the chamber, right. I said, okay. Yeah.

1009
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 4: So I mean it's it's such a strange issue and

1010
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 4: there really isn't much like yeah, here.

1011
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 3: Focused on I could walk around with one in the

1012
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: chamber tactically loaded with an extra one in the mag

1013
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 3: that the chamber took. Okay, another one in numb Yeah,

1014
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 3: and I can keep that and everywhere I go. It's like,

1015
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: you know, but yeah, what part of America does do

1016
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 3: you not fall under? Yeah?

1017
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, get it man. Yeah, No, there's there's there's

1018
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 4: there's so much like red tape on the reservation. So

1019
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 4: there's I mean, it goes back to their like eighteen

1020
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: thirties like laws that were so basically like that law

1021
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: told you about the case in nineteen seventy eight that

1022
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 4: now just because it was one tribe, but since it

1023
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 4: went to Supreme Court, now you know, everyone goes off

1024
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 4: of that. They go off of it. So there's a

1025
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 4: lot of cases back then that happened in like the

1026
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 4: eighteen thirties that now are now applied to a lot

1027
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: of the reservations all crossed in the United States, and

1028
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 4: so the dependent nation before before bees like laws when

1029
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 4: eighteen thirties are passed, a lot of native tribes were

1030
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 4: independent nations. They were able to economically thrive, they could

1031
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: do what they needed to have to thrive. And these

1032
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 4: laws are passed in eighteen thirties Cherokee versus or Georgia

1033
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 4: versus Cherity Nation. And basically it was like, you know,

1034
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 4: there's gold on the Cherokee Nation and we want the gold.

1035
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 4: And the Supreme Court ruled. Supreme Court ruled that the

1036
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: state has no jurisdiction over tribal nations. Andrew Jackson at

1037
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,439
Speaker 4: the time was like, Okay, that only applies to state,

1038
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 4: not federal. We're going to go and make move to Cherokee,

1039
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 4: like I want that gold. And then that trailer fears

1040
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 4: happened because they're a because they're a dependent nation. They're

1041
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 4: a dependent nation. They don't understand the concept of what

1042
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: gold is. They don't understand the concept of what this

1043
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 4: land can do for us. So we're going to end

1044
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: their interests. We're going to move them away. So that

1045
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 4: was basically what happened. That's how the cherry I mean,

1046
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 4: it's actually a lot, a lot longer and longer than that.

1047
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: That's just kind of a shortened version of it. And

1048
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 4: so that applied to all the other nation is like, hey,

1049
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: you're now all dependent nations. You're no longer independent, you're

1050
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 4: now dependent on the United States government. So it's because

1051
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 4: of that, because of that there's so much restrictions on what.

1052
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 3: Because a payment to you know, indigenous folks that have

1053
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: a certain amount in them and then they can get

1054
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 3: you know, approved for federal benefits, and so they're going

1055
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: to try to hold over. It's like, what's worth more

1056
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 3: the freedom to have the whole reservation free to be

1057
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 3: to really be independent of everything and just cut off

1058
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 3: that money or do they or were they rather?

1059
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, you guys should have.

1060
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 3: The shouldn't even be having this conversation with you, right

1061
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 3: because like, like my wife's family was on the Mother

1062
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 3: f and Mayflower one of the trips that came here,

1063
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 3: and they were one of the like the four that

1064
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 3: didn't sign onto the Mayflowers Constitution of like they were

1065
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 3: all like this religious cult of we're going to sign

1066
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: a constitution on the Mayflower saying they they're like, no,

1067
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 3: we're going to break away from that and go find

1068
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: our own place.

1069
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: To live here in America.

1070
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 3: And at the end and end of the day, they

1071
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: landed in a Native American place, the head on the

1072
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 3: East coast, like in the New York area. They landed

1073
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,399
Speaker 3: a little higher than New York and so they moved

1074
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 3: back a little bit along the coast, and they came

1075
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: back to that area between where they were at New York,

1076
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 3: and they said, hey, look, here's a whole village the

1077
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: no one's at because everybody had died, all of the

1078
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: natives have died, like the plague and whatever, and so

1079
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,879
Speaker 3: here are these pilgrims. Just move into this that we brought,

1080
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 3: the plague, we brought all these diseases, blankets.

1081
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: I'm so pissed, bro. I tell my wife all the time.

1082
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 3: Man, it's like your ancestors, dude, Okay, I'm like, what

1083
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: the hell She's like. Remember, they are the ones that

1084
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 3: broke away from it. They broke away from it. But yeah, yeah,

1085
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 3: how do how do we fix that? Okay, I can't

1086
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: change the past, rights, I can't change the past. I

1087
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 3: could look to the future and just be a better

1088
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 3: student of where I have my property and my land

1089
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 3: for the future. You know. That's all we can do

1090
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 3: is be better stewards and not let the past happen again.

1091
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, No, that's a that's actually a really complicated question,

1092
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 4: and it's it's it's very difficult one. Yeah, it's a

1093
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 4: difficult to answer because a lot of natives, right now,

1094
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 4: I really want to have sovereignty. They really want to

1095
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 4: be able to do what they want to do. They

1096
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 4: want to be able to have their businesses on the reservations.

1097
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 4: There's a lot of there's actually a lot of entrepreneur

1098
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: natives out there and they're doing amazing things. It's just

1099
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 4: they had to go off of the reservation. So they

1100
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 4: go off with the reservation to do a lot of

1101
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 4: this work that they want to do with businesses that

1102
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 4: they want to have, and so when they're on the

1103
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 4: Navajo Nation, it's a whole it's a totally different it's

1104
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 4: a totally different thing. And one of the issues that

1105
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 4: is going on right now, which is something I recently

1106
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 4: just found out. Well I reuently found no move about it,

1107
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 4: but I never knew how big of a deal it was.

1108
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 4: So this is the other documentary. I'm I won't work

1109
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: it on. So this is the second one, which probably

1110
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 4: won't start filming until next year sometime. And I was

1111
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 4: really looking at I was like, man, you know, why

1112
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 4: is there so much illegal burning? Why is there so

1113
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 4: much illegal dumping? And I was like why is there

1114
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 4: no waste management on the Navali Nation? Like where's the

1115
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 4: where's the waste management where are the dumb trucks at?

1116
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 4: Like why is it that the main towns which are

1117
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 4: Shin leading through the city, Crompoint and ship Rock, wind Rock,

1118
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 4: Like why are these main towns, Why are they the

1119
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 4: only ones that have the actual waste management services? But

1120
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 4: then the rest of the rest nation right then, there's

1121
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: no there's none all the role thereas the is nothing.

1122
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 4: So people are like they're resorted to happen to do that.

1123
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 4: That's the only thing that they can do. So I

1124
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 4: really found an interest in that. So I started digging,

1125
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,960
Speaker 4: digging around and like looked thro their history and I

1126
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 4: was like, holy smokes. One of the reasons why the

1127
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: Romans in the Greek did so well is because they

1128
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 4: established the waste management system. They started to have sewage systems,

1129
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 4: they started to have public toilet It's one of the

1130
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 4: things that they required was that you're not allowed to

1131
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 4: have trash. You had to dump your trash more than

1132
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 4: a mile away. They actually started to have people who

1133
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 4: would pick up the trash, so they were a clean society.

1134
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 4: And I was like, wow, that's interesting because after the

1135
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 4: fall of the Roman Empire, there's no way managements gain

1136
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 4: like for a long time, like it's just people just

1137
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 4: sitting in the road and play being everywhere, yeah, everywhere.

1138
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 4: And then so from that, from those two I started.

1139
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 4: I was when I got that award in New York.

1140
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: I started thinking about New York and I seen the

1141
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 4: trash there, like the trash is there, but they would

1142
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 4: go and pick it up right away and get rid

1143
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: of it. And I started, I started, I'm like, why

1144
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 4: is New York such an economic hub? Like why is that?

1145
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 4: So I started looking into that, and no one actually

1146
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 4: in the early in eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, they

1147
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 4: did not. No one wanted to live in New York.

1148
00:55:56,600 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 4: Like it was a cesspool back then, like just disease everywhere,

1149
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: rats everywhere. I mean they're still rats everywhere, like it was.

1150
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 4: It was worse back then. It was worse. And I

1151
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 4: believe it was they do Roosevelt. I cannot. I don't

1152
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 4: want to. I don't want to, actually, I don't want to.

1153
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 4: I don't know who it was. It was someone famous, right,

1154
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 4: someone big. I think it was the Rose who started

1155
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: the white that could be called them the white white suits.

1156
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 4: These guys would put on white suits and they would

1157
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 4: go around and start cleaning up New York. Like that's

1158
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 4: all they were doing. And they would do that. And

1159
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 4: then once they started doing that, people started moving in

1160
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 4: because New York was getting cleaner and people are like, oh,

1161
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 4: I want to stay here now, like because New York's green.

1162
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 4: I was like wow, and then it just kept continue moving.

1163
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 4: Now in New York has a New York Sanitation with

1164
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 4: over eight thousand workers. They praised their New Yorkers or

1165
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,280
Speaker 4: not New Yorkers. They plays New York Sanitation as actual

1166
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 4: police officers, like they actually have Like these New York

1167
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 4: Sanitation workers have police officer uniforms that's green, like they

1168
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 4: actually I thought when I saw that their border troll

1169
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 4: and I was like, wow, man, these guys are like

1170
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: highly respected, Like there's actually like there's a whole parade

1171
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 4: for them. They call them. I forgot what they called them.

1172
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,359
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't not a New Yorker, but.

1173
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: You I was just talked about it last night, you know,

1174
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 3: like you know, I was like, hey, custodians at high schools, you.

1175
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 2: Know, it's a it's a it's a it's a thankless job.

1176
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 3: You know, these folks that go in and we expect

1177
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 3: it to be clean when we sit down at the bathroom,

1178
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 3: you know, the worker at the bathroom that's sanitizing it.

1179
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: You know, it's like we take that for granted, right,

1180
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 2: we think.

1181
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's below me, that's below Yeah, I'll never

1182
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 3: throw trash. I don't want to be the garbage man.

1183
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 3: That's what growing up, you have to throw in the back. Now, man,

1184
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 3: there's somebody has to do it.

1185
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's crucial.

1186
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 3: The should be a garbage man appreciation day.

1187
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's yeah, we have so many days to

1188
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 4: appreciate things.

1189
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, man, sanitation.

1190
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 4: You deployed, right, you deployed.

1191
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'm not I'm not okay.

1192
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,919
Speaker 4: Oh anyways, Like one of the things I thought about

1193
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 4: was like, man, could you imagine how does deployments would

1194
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: be if there was no waste management from the military side,

1195
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 4: like that place.

1196
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: Where they didn't have that implemented, like a waste management Yeah.

1197
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, like it's it's huge.

1198
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. And so that's the burn pits though, right,

1199
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, yeah, that's where the burn pits. Yeah,

1200
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 3: and there we are. It was full circle, right, you're

1201
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 3: like burn pits on the reds, burn pits in you know,

1202
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 3: uh yeah, exactly in war you know. I remember, yeah

1203
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 3: the movie Platoon or was it Platoon? Yeah, and Charlie

1204
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: Sheen's like, you know, he's pulling the the ship out

1205
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 3: of the shitter with the guys and they're burning it

1206
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: and then lighting on fire, you know, the filling up

1207
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 3: with gasoline.

1208
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 2: They're burning the outhouse crap so.

1209
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: That they could put it back in, you know, and

1210
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 3: you just see these black smoke going up in the

1211
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 3: air and you're like, those are little burn pits. It's

1212
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 3: that that's awful for the troops to have to deal

1213
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 3: with and down when you know from were.

1214
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,919
Speaker 2: You evaulved, do you recall burn pits they were?

1215
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 4: They were around, Yeah, they were. They were around like

1216
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 4: a sodom. I never had to had to do it, thankfully,

1217
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 4: but yeah, they were around there. You would see them

1218
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 4: just burn and smell it. Yeah, it was horrible.

1219
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 3: That's what they talked about. Why you yeah you know, yeah, yeah,

1220
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: station you smelt it. That's yeah.

1221
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 4: That That's actually one of the reasons why I started

1222
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 4: looking into this Spanish was I was like, man, there's

1223
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 4: actually a lot of illegal burning going on on an

1224
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 4: ablimation because there's no waste management. I was like, man,

1225
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 4: this this is a huge issue. So that kind of

1226
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 4: comes back into like, oh man, I need to make

1227
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 4: a documentary on this to kind of highlight this issue,

1228
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 4: to highlight like hey, like also you have waste Spanishment.

1229
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 4: You can build infrastructure, you can create jobs that way.

1230
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, okay, well you guys can handle your

1231
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 4: waste management. Okay, let's let's build something now that we

1232
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 4: know you have some infrastructure, femina infrastructure, something so.

1233
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: That it can cerator echo friendly style like they have

1234
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 3: here in Utah by Hill Air Force Base. It's got

1235
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 3: a huge chip. Remember was built in the late eighties

1236
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,760
Speaker 3: and it was like revolutionary. They're like the News Management

1237
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 3: burn Facility here in Layton, Utah.

1238
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: And you know it's where they burned the John doees.

1239
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 2: You know, if you have to, if you get where

1240
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 2: do they take you to cremate you?

1241
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 3: Up there? One of my friend works there. He's like,

1242
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 3: I found a toe. I was like, get out there

1243
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 3: and he's like yeah, he's like cleaning up theerator. What

1244
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 3: time He's like, I found it? Yeah. I was like,

1245
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 3: oh bro, but again, where do you put the dead?

1246
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: Where do you put uh the burn put it in

1247
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: an incinerator. I don't know.

1248
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 4: So there's a a little side note, a little sign

1249
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 4: note about the waste management. I was talking to this

1250
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 4: other Army ranger about it. He was he's an urban planner,

1251
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 4: and I was just we were just talking. I was

1252
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 4: talking about this whole project he was wanting to do

1253
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 4: with him, kind of get an insight on him. He's like,

1254
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 4: you're onto something, man, And he's like, did you know

1255
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 4: who owned Do you know who owned waste management from

1256
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 4: like the early nineteen hundreds to about the eighties or nineties.

1257
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 4: I was like, nah, And I kind of said some

1258
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 4: names like no, no, no, no, no, no no. He's like

1259
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 4: he's like, think, think somewhere. And I was like, man,

1260
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 4: I was, I have no idea.

1261
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 3: Mafiah yeah yeah, yeah, Well look what happened to them.

1262
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: So right when the towers got him, all of the

1263
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 3: metal was set to the mafia's uh scrap yard, like

1264
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 3: it was all like it's all like how come they

1265
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 3: got the contract, They had the waist, they were taking

1266
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: all of this, all of it over to their their dumbs,

1267
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 3: and there was like this big hub up about who

1268
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 3: was getting the contracts through the new York Mayor's office

1269
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 3: or whatever to haul all of the steal out like

1270
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: you said, that's who it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1271
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 4: So I was like, man, if the mafia is like

1272
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 4: into the waste management business, like I think I'm onto

1273
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 4: something right now. So yeah, I'm not. I'm always not

1274
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 4: doing a story on the mafia now, but like it's yeah,

1275
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 4: but you know, it's like you know why, you know,

1276
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 4: why is the mafia going to waste manager business. It's like, well,

1277
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 4: they know it's crucial. I mean there's a there's a

1278
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 4: whole list of reasons, like it's crucial for the community.

1279
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 4: There's always going to be trash, and it's the mafia,

1280
01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 4: so money laundering money the laundering easily, right, Yeah, it

1281
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 4: takes all these boxes of them.

1282
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1283
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh wait, oh wait, we handle the trash,

1284
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 4: so dead body, We'll just send it out to our

1285
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 4: trash job, like you know.

1286
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: Here, and he'll bring it over.

1287
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 2: Do't worry, gets pressed up and it's gone see you later.

1288
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1289
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 4: So I I just like realized all of that and

1290
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 4: I was like, wow, man, this is this is this

1291
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 4: is crucial. I'm onto something. So that's the other project

1292
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 4: that I'm doing So that's that's the two projects. So

1293
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 4: the ones about the The Lady Search and Rescue. This

1294
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 4: one's about the Waste Manager documentary.

1295
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 3: And then are you writing something about Standing Rock too?

1296
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 3: Are you doing a book on Standing Rock? Is that right?

1297
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 4: Or so? Yeah, so the book, I've actually restarted it. Well,

1298
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 4: I don't just restarted it. So the first time I

1299
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 4: wrote it it was when I actually started coming back,

1300
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 4: when I got it from Standing Rock, and it was

1301
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 4: still it was so like I'm sober, I'm a sober guard.

1302
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 4: Now I've been sober a couple of years and I'm

1303
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 4: getting close to five. And I ended up rereading that.

1304
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 4: I read read it and I was like, oh my gosh,

1305
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 4: this is not true too. Who I am. I'm making

1306
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 4: myself sound like a hero and in Standing Rock and

1307
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 4: I was like, that's that's not actually, that's not how

1308
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 4: I went down. I was actually transitioning from the army.

1309
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 4: I had no like direction in life, I had no

1310
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 4: idea what I was doing. And so like I'm writing

1311
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 4: about that and like how Standing Rock journalism came came

1312
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 4: through there, and I'm just writing about that, and it's

1313
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 4: really really difficult because I'm like looking at what like

1314
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,520
Speaker 4: probably like one of the saddest moments in my life.

1315
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 4: And I'm just like writing about how I was thinking,

1316
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 4: how I was feeling, like what I was expecting, So

1317
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 4: like it dives into a lot of that perspective. It's

1318
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 4: it's like a it's about standing rock, but it's also

1319
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 4: a mod really terry transition book. So it was like

1320
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 4: the transitioning of like what do I do?

1321
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 3: So?

1322
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 2: What were you not?

1323
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 4: So?

1324
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 3: What was your what was the what was your what

1325
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 3: was your advice?

1326
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 4: So I was drinking. Drinking was the big one for me,

1327
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 4: and I just like I remember I just was I

1328
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 4: dropped out of college because all I was doing was drinking.

1329
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 4: I was by myself and no I'm going to talk

1330
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 4: to and so I just was like I remember like

1331
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 4: looking at this bottle when I was like, why am

1332
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 4: I even still drinking? Like this is this isn't helping

1333
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 4: me in any way. And I started to thinking about

1334
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 4: some I'm not sure if you're a no Social Distortion

1335
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 4: band kind of yeah, yeah, yes, Mike ness so and

1336
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 4: I remember I remember like him like telling us, I

1337
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 4: remember telling his story of like I got sober when

1338
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 4: I was like twenty eight twenty and I was like

1339
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 4: twenty nine. I was like, you know what, he gets

1340
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,919
Speaker 4: sober at this time. I can get sober at this time.

1341
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 4: So I was like, I'm just gonna fuck. I'm like

1342
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 4: Mike nested it. You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna sober.

1343
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah essentially, So I just I literally grabbed

1344
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 4: this like bottle, like I had like three bottles of fuck.

1345
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 4: And because they're a cheat too, so I just dumped

1346
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,040
Speaker 4: all of it and I was like, I'm never drinking again.

1347
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 4: And then I went to this VA like AA type

1348
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: meeting thing and like I met this dudent there. He

1349
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 4: was like a Korean War veteran, I believe, and like

1350
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 4: he was fifty years sober.

1351
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 2: Didn't have to be in there, like and he was

1352
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: fifty years I was still counting the days.

1353
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And he was like yeah, you know, I

1354
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 4: I keep coming and here to to encourage you guys,

1355
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 4: you know, to continue to get sober. He's like I

1356
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 4: got sober years ago and my life got way better.

1357
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 4: And I was like wow, And and a lot of

1358
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 4: these Vietnam vets were there, like so that guy gave

1359
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 4: me a lot of inspiration. Just like listen to his

1360
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 4: story fifty years sober Korean War veteran, and those guys

1361
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:09,560
Speaker 4: saw some ship too.

1362
01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 2: Like you know and feet but you know what I mean,

1363
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah, thought me.

1364
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, it takes you down to the best road. You know.

1365
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 3: I've been so wasted and I passed out in the

1366
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 3: farm field and I was just like vomiting in my

1367
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 3: own vomiting on my face. Yeah yeah, yeah, never again.

1368
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:32,000
Speaker 3: Do I want that? Yeah, I did that to myself.

1369
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 3: I did that to myself.

1370
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 4: Yeah no, no, no, I I totally get like that's

1371
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 4: actually so I was a ranger, right, So if you

1372
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 4: talked a lot of my anyone who knew me back

1373
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 4: in the range, were time to tell like hey, yeah,

1374
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 4: nor across man like on Mission Stellar training Missions Stellar,

1375
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 4: like flawless. You take them back though verre excite man.

1376
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 4: All he was doing was drinking, like that's all I did.

1377
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 4: And so I mean they actually got me in trouble.

1378
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 4: So that's they're like, hey, man, like you're a good dude, uh,

1379
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 4: but we got to let you go. So I end

1380
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 4: I ended up leaving them getting kicked out. So that's

1381
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 4: when I went because of because a dream. Yeah yeah,

1382
01:07:09,160 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 4: And so I mean a lot of that kind of

1383
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 4: is in the book two times into the book of

1384
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 4: like feeling like a failure, like man, and you know,

1385
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 4: I failed. I feeled being a ranger, I failed, Like

1386
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 4: my leadership, I failed. I failed at everything. And I

1387
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 4: mean I talked to them now and it's like, man,

1388
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 4: good now, man, like, don't worry about it any much

1389
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 4: in the past. Now, like drive on. So that's basically

1390
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 4: what happened. I just drove on. And a lot of

1391
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 4: that leadership and training that they taught me back then,

1392
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 4: now it's like now it's it's me, it's it's here.

1393
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 4: I'm utilizing it. I'm going forward with it. And so

1394
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 4: it's like, you know, kind of and and and they

1395
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 4: see it, my leaders you know, they see it. You

1396
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 4: know it's kind of shoot me like a message, Amen,

1397
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 4: keep doing what you're doing. You know you're doing good.

1398
01:07:55,560 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 4: It's good to see you being who you were meant

1399
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 4: to be. Because I remember one of them took me

1400
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 4: to side and it was like north Cross, man, if

1401
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 4: you just stopped fucking drinking, you know how much fucking

1402
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,520
Speaker 4: potentially you could do, you could do, like how much

1403
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 4: potential you have in you, Like, just stop fucking drinking. Yeah,

1404
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 4: I was nineteen twenty twenty one. I was like, whatever

1405
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 4: you know, but now though it's totally different. Man, Like

1406
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 4: I try to tell people out with whatever I can.

1407
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 4: But yeah, so that's exactly what happened. And I got sober.

1408
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,240
Speaker 4: I dumped out everything out and heard like these Vietnam

1409
01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 4: veterans like walking up to me, like, hey, man, I

1410
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 4: wish I was sober. I got sober in your age.

1411
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 4: I wish I got sober when I was twenty nine.

1412
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 4: I wish I got sobherre I was thirty. And he's like,

1413
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 4: I'm seventy years old. Now I'm only year. I'm only

1414
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 4: a year or sober. He's like throwing every dread again.

1415
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 3: Bro. I mean, going sober is not the easiest thing,

1416
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 3: right because especially if you've been doing it for so long,

1417
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 3: like that cat that's been doing it for seventy or

1418
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,840
Speaker 3: he's seventy. I mean, now your body the addiction can

1419
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 3: actually cause you know, I'm not trying to sacar anybody

1420
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,240
Speaker 3: who's trying to quit, but you can stroke you know

1421
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 3: from yeah, do all sorts of different elements gonna happen? Yeah,

1422
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 3: so yeah, you know at seventy, I mean he still

1423
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 3: sees it's worth it cutting out, you know. Yeah.

1424
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just I took that route, and you know,

1425
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 4: I don't I don't really harp on anybody. Like when

1426
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 4: I when I first started being sober, I was like

1427
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 4: I'm sober. But now I'm just like yeah. Now I'm

1428
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 4: just like I'm like, yeah, man, you want to get Yeah, yeah,

1429
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, if you want to get sober, man, like,

1430
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 4: go go for it, like it's sober. I'm like, it's good,

1431
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 4: it's huge for your health. I'm like, you know, some

1432
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 4: people I always tell me, I was like, some people

1433
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 4: can have a beer, man. I was like, I was

1434
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,559
Speaker 4: never that dude like if if you give me a beer,

1435
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 4: I need to have a twenty four pack like that.

1436
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 3: That was me.

1437
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 4: And I was like if you gave me a fit

1438
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 4: of you know, jack or whatever, like no, I needed

1439
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 4: all of it, like I need it more like I

1440
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 4: need a gallon to myself. You know that That was

1441
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,679
Speaker 4: me and I wasn't that. I was never that dude

1442
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 4: who could like just like yeah, man, I'll just take

1443
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 4: you know, I'll just take one whisky in the rocks

1444
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 4: and that don't beat that and then you know, go on.

1445
01:10:04,040 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 3: Beer with just like a beer, like a beer with

1446
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 3: your dinner, you know. It's yeah, yeah, it just meds

1447
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 3: into like three or four and then yeah and then yeah,

1448
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 3: you know, I I don't, I'm not, I guess sober

1449
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,360
Speaker 3: in that aspect. I'll still have a beer, you know

1450
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 3: what I mean? And so but I don't have any

1451
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 3: mere anything like the Logger times. Man, those dimes are

1452
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 3: way behind me. Like, I'm so glad I had the

1453
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 3: moment of clarity while I was laying in my own vomit. Uh.

1454
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,519
Speaker 3: You know, at such a young age, it's like, I

1455
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 3: don't ever want to drink this stuff again. No, sit

1456
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 3: them in schnaps ever again never never, never, No, I

1457
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 3: don't care if there's gold in it and it looks

1458
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 3: like I should drink.

1459
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 4: The gold, don't.

1460
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 2: Or the whole bottle.

1461
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 3: I'm telling you. It just it's alcohol poisoning.

1462
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 4: It's not Yeah. Yeah, that's that's that's that's what Yeah,

1463
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 4: that's that's that's. Actually another reason why it's so hard

1464
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 4: to complete this book, bust In Rock, is because it

1465
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 4: is about me still drinking. And I'm like, right, I'm

1466
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,559
Speaker 4: like God, I'm like why why, like why was I

1467
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 4: actually why was I doing so I'm writing about it,

1468
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 4: so like I'm putting it's it's a very vulnerable book.

1469
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 4: I'm like throwing. So it's like it's a book of

1470
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 4: like military and transition, it's a book about finding myself.

1471
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 4: And then at the same time I'm still drinking, right,

1472
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 4: and I take another two years after that book, I

1473
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 4: find it's ober. But it's like, man, I am not

1474
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 4: liking writing who I was back then, Like I don't.

1475
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 4: I don't like writing about that, you know, And so

1476
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 4: I think it's like someone told me. I was like, hey, man,

1477
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,479
Speaker 4: that's actually that's actually more real, Like people need to

1478
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 4: hear more stories like that of like people.

1479
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 3: Keep writing and just turn your page and keep writing

1480
01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 3: and then it'll be done. Yeah yeah, and then it'll

1481
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 3: be there and then everyone's going over check it out.

1482
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, just keep writing and then turn the page. Okay,

1483
01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 3: write it out, turn the page, as I tell you.

1484
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:04,599
Speaker 3: I should tell myself the same thing, just do it.

1485
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 3: I'm already do an airborne stop.

1486
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no, that's that's good. I'll take that advice.

1487
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 4: So I'll heat your advice.

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Speaker 2: Thank you ForWord written by rad.

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Speaker 3: You're great and I'm so glad you reached out, you know,

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01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:27,280
Speaker 3: and I know we're filming this during November, and this

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01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:29,799
Speaker 3: is going to go out probably into November, maybe into December.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I just want to say thanks for

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01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 3: being you, and to your grandfather and your grandfather and

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01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 3: your grandfather and your grandfather and your grandfather and your

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01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 3: grandfather and your grandfather and all of the grandmothers that

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01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 3: dealt with all of your grandfathers. So and your own dad,

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01:12:53,200 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 3: no matter how rougher, you know, not rough, it was

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Speaker 3: in your life, you know, for you to be here

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01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 3: and you know, to carry the torch. And I have

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Speaker 3: mad respect for you know, Indigenous and for Native. And

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Speaker 3: you know, my friend yellow Horse, when you talked about

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Speaker 3: gray Horse, my friend Calvin yellow Horse, shout out Calvin.

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Speaker 2: He's here at Fort Duchhane.

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Speaker 3: Which is a reservation here in Utah. When you say

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Speaker 3: yellow when you say gray Horse, it makes me think

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 3: yellow Horse because they're Lakota and Utah. His wife is

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 3: Utah and he's Lakota his dad. So they married and

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Speaker 3: he lives down.

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Speaker 2: Here, you I think, but uh okay, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So they met each other one in Dakota's and

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01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 3: then down here and they got married and they had

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Speaker 3: their son Calvin. But long story is a yellow horse

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01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 3: is their last name, and gray horse means that the

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 3: guy with the gray horse. Yeah, so Calvin, listen, bro,

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01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,639
Speaker 3: I just figured out how you got your last name.

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01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's that's how we got it. Like that's

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 4: our like our family name. I mean, Norcross came from

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01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 4: one of our last name. Oh no, no, no, no, no,

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01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 4: it's not not anymore. It's nor Cross now. But the

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 4: reason north Cross is around is because the Yeah, one

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01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 4: of the recruiters in World War One, right, it was like, hey,

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01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 4: we can't we can't take your Navajo name. And this

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01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 4: guy are our great great great great grandfather was like, uh,

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01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 4: he's like, well they're talking to recruiters, like how did

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01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 4: you get here. He's like, I walked here. Well, your

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01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 4: first name is gonna be walker. He's like, what about

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01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 4: your last name? He said, he said, we said his

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01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 4: last name. He's like, he's like, we can't take your

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01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 4: last name. Like and the guy was like, you know what, man,

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01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 4: you seem like a good dude. You walked all over

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01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:41,000
Speaker 4: here from the gallup or forty fines to Albuquerque or

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01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 4: Albuquerque gallop, Like you walked over. That's a long ways

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01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 4: a while. You could have my last name. Your last

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01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 4: name is nor Across walking north Across, and then that

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01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 4: was that That's how we got that's that's that's that's okay.

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Speaker 3: Oh I love that story. I'm so glad we got

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01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 3: that into this. Okay, So thank you for sharing. Thank you. Yeah, Cyrus, Cyrus,

1538
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:08,639
Speaker 3: you're one. You're probably I think the longest interview I've

1539
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 3: had in my time doing this for soft Reap.

1540
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: Usually we get around around fifty minutes to.

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01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 3: An hour, but I'd be bro we're like in it

1542
01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: and that's really something to say about your demeanor and

1543
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 3: I just think you're a cool dude and to talk

1544
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 3: and there's so much that you just put it out

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,000
Speaker 3: there real well, and I just want to say thanks

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01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 3: for bringing that to us. And as I wind down

1547
01:15:29,720 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 3: the show, I just wanted to let everyone know to,

1548
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 3: you know, check out your links. We're going to put

1549
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 3: them in the website. Okay, So for that website that

1550
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 3: you have where we can check out your stories, make

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01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 3: sure that we have that. Either say it again or

1552
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 3: write it in an email so we can make sure

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01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,920
Speaker 3: that it's on the web page and people just click

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01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,439
Speaker 3: on it. Your Instagram how they can reach you, et cetera.

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01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 4: Right, Okay, yeah, yeah, so my Instagram is Cyrus Starcross.

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 4: You'll find me, just just type it down. It's actually

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01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 4: Navajo is my one of the names. And then I

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01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 4: do I do have Twitter and stuff. I don't use

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01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:18,520
Speaker 4: them at all or x now I mean, and yeah,

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 4: I do have Facebook, so I'm pretty active on Facebook.

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 4: So you can just find on their sires Starcross, right,

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01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 4: and yeah, I got a LinkedIn as well, So I do.

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01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 4: I do all that. I'm working on a website right

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01:16:30,040 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 4: now to really kind of throw a lot of my

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01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 4: my photos, a lot of my stories on there, and

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01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,240
Speaker 4: to actually have my some video work that I've done,

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01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:40,679
Speaker 4: like just short videos, you know, so just to throw

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01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 4: it in there. So that's kind of where so that

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01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 4: the website eventually could get out, probably would be sometime

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01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 4: next month or next year. So I'm working on a

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01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 4: website right now, and yeah, that'll be out. But yeah,

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01:16:54,120 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 4: I'm Instagram on Instagram and Facebook and I'm linked Okay, cool,

1573
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 4: and I'll email you, yeah, I'll email you to the

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01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 4: journalists link because that's it's a really weird one. If

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,280
Speaker 4: you if you type my name up, you'll see like

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01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 4: some stuff pop up, but you won't see that website

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01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 4: for someone reason. So I am it's a journalist portfolio website,

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01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 4: and then when people look forward, they can't find it.

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01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,839
Speaker 4: So I'm just gonna I'll just like shoot that directly.

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01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 3: Email, yeah, email that to me, and then we'll have Anton,

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01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 3: my producer, Anton, just insert that in there so people

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01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,639
Speaker 3: can click on it on softwap dot com. And then also,

1583
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 3: you know, I reach out to those that interview with me,

1584
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 3: and if you ever want a little bit of a

1585
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 3: platform to do an article and write about Ranger.

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01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 2: Time or you know, Navajo time on.

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Speaker 3: Softwarep I'm sure we would take an article or two

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01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 3: from you to help keep that going for you as

1589
01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 3: well and have us to help push you into the

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01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 3: same time you came.

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01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 2: From, you know.

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01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:53,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, like you said, there's not

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01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 3: many indigenous journalists out there, you know now, so got

1594
01:18:00,439 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 3: like a Pokemon and come over here, come with you, okay.

1595
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying I do that. You know, we

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01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:10,840
Speaker 3: do have journalism going on here and from people like

1597
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,800
Speaker 3: yourself who have been in the know, and you don't

1598
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 3: necessarily have to write about what being you're undercover and

1599
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 3: you can talk about Hey, this is how you pack

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01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 3: a parachute. See you later. Yeah, yeah, yeah, real simple.

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01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 3: We'll touch base in email and on behalf of myself

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01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 3: and Brandon Webb, who owns and runs the website softwap

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Speaker 3: dot com, and Cyrus Norcross. You know, I want to

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01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:39,240
Speaker 3: say thanks for you the listener, listening, watching, sharing, commenting.

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01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 2: You know, tell me you don't like me, tell.

1606
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,960
Speaker 3: Me you like me. Leave it all down below, Just

1607
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,160
Speaker 3: get involved, get active, read a book, go check out

1608
01:18:47,200 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 3: soft rep dot com, Forward, slash Book, hyphen Club and

1609
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 3: our merch store, and you know, happy Indigenous People's month,

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01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:02,800
Speaker 3: year and Millennia because you know, bro, you were here

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01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:08,519
Speaker 3: way before anybody else, and America owes you all of

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01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 3: its gratitude. Okay, I just want you to know, and

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01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 3: everybody that lives who's listening on the reservations you know,

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01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 3: I'm grateful. So thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks, thank you for

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:21,800
Speaker 4: having me.

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01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah it was great.

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01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 4: It was a great talk, great conversation. Look it all around.

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01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,640
Speaker 3: Not the last time I'll have you back on all right,

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01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 3: We'll keep you just like as a regular appearing guest

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01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 3: and I think our listener will love to, you know,

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01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 3: hear more of your stories because you're super cool to

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01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 3: listen to, so keep it.

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01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:42,759
Speaker 4: Thank you.

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01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,839
Speaker 3: Yes, But if we ever get together, man, definite handshake

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01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 3: and a hug because I appreciate you going to stand

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01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 3: and rock and being who you are, so thank you

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01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 3: for that.

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01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, all right cool.

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01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,920
Speaker 3: Well this is me saying enough is enough, and I

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01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,080
Speaker 3: got to sign off, and rad is saying peace from

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Speaker 3: all of us here at Software.

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