Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2: And we're about to unpack the jade and Daniels story
Speaker 2: as well. It's a day two Jaden Daniels story with
Speaker 2: our guests, and he's right there right now, So let's
Speaker 2: bring him in. Why not, John Blow here, sit down,
Speaker 2: LSU football reporter for The Advocate in Times. Pick aywn John.
Speaker 2: My name is Anthony Joseph Paul really, and it's great
Speaker 2: to meet you.
Speaker 3: It's great to meet here too, Tony John.
Speaker 2: Please talk to me like I am a ten year
Speaker 2: old or a golden retriever. Okay, like I don't know anything.
Speaker 2: Take me back to how this started, this kerfuffle over
Speaker 2: the number five and this relationship Jadeen Daniels and LSU
Speaker 2: going sour.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So DJ Pickett, who's a sophomore cornerback as Warren
Speaker 3: number five his entire life, going back to being four
Speaker 3: years old, and supposedly Brian Kelly promised him while he
Speaker 3: was being recruited that he could have number five. Obviously,
Speaker 3: number five very important LSU because Jayden Dandaniels wore that
Speaker 3: number in twenty twenty three when he won the Heisman.
Speaker 3: Daniels apparently found out and his team found out the
Speaker 3: DJ Pickett wanted this number. I think Lane Kiffet had
Speaker 3: made contact with all the representatives to let them know,
Speaker 3: and Jayden was not happy about that. And obviously there
Speaker 3: now has been the cease and desist letter that Jayden's
Speaker 3: attorney sent to LSU saying, no longer use my name.
Speaker 3: Imagine likeness please, And so DJ Piickett, I mean he's
Speaker 3: still wearing the number. Lane's not saying a whole lot
Speaker 3: other than again, it was a promise made by the
Speaker 3: previous staff and so we're gonna let the kid wear
Speaker 3: the number.
Speaker 2: So Kiffin did reach out to Daniels beforehand.
Speaker 3: That's what That's the impression I'm under, yes, is that
Speaker 3: there was contact, and so Jayden was aware this was happening,
Speaker 3: has been bruined for a little bit, and then obviously
Speaker 3: it led to the letter from his lawyer.
Speaker 2: How does it go from bother to cease and desist
Speaker 2: letter and the sprinkling of lawsuit in here.
Speaker 3: I don't know, that's an interesting question. I mean, obviously
Speaker 3: all of us are watching this as observers and saying
Speaker 3: this seems a little drastic. Maybe this isn't you know,
Speaker 3: a great look for a former Heisman winner to kind
Speaker 3: of have be in a dispute with their with their school,
Speaker 3: and and that's at the school couldn't resolve this without
Speaker 3: it getting to this point. It's kind of on a
Speaker 3: lot of people's faces right now. So that is a
Speaker 3: good question. I don't know how we get from. You know,
Speaker 3: obviously there's upset and the camp, the Jane Daniels camp
Speaker 3: is upset to obviously this this letter being made public,
Speaker 3: and obviously there was a statement from the ESPN report
Speaker 3: that kind of came along with it that hey, we're
Speaker 3: extremely disappointed and feel disrespected and all that stuff. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's uh, it's a little confounding how we got to
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 2: I would say, how did Lane Kiffin respond yesterday?
Speaker 3: So we asked him if you had any comment. All
Speaker 3: he did was referred to his previous statement, which is
Speaker 3: that again Brian Kelly, previous staff promised it to him
Speaker 3: that he was just going to follow through with that promise,
Speaker 3: and they wasn't adding anything more.
Speaker 4: We're moving on.
Speaker 3: It's what he said. I even specifically asked them because
Speaker 3: there's a lot of wonderment out there. The number nine
Speaker 3: is not officially retired, but he's more number nine since
Speaker 3: show Burrow like, if you, as the coach, were to
Speaker 3: have a player come to you and say, can I
Speaker 3: have number nine? What would your thought process being? Obviously,
Speaker 3: because he's referring back to the previous staff on this issue,
Speaker 3: So then he didn't. He said, hey, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of hypotheticals. I'm not going to get into that, and
Speaker 3: that's it. So he really didn't want to address the
Speaker 3: issue much at all.
Speaker 2: Any Further, every team has its standard practice, the letter
Speaker 2: of the law, if it is in fact a law
Speaker 2: for this is jerseys can be retired or current jerseys
Speaker 2: cannot be retired. This is where I'm a little bit perplexed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is probably where the issue is with
Speaker 3: LSU is they don't really don't. I mean, they have
Speaker 3: their their practice, which is that, yeah, after five years,
Speaker 3: your jersey can be retired, but that doesn't take the
Speaker 3: number out of circulation. The only number at LSU that
Speaker 3: is truly retired is Billy Cannon's number twenty, for he
Speaker 3: won the Heisman in nineteen fifty nine. Joe Burrow's not
Speaker 3: officially retired. Jane Daniels is not officially retired. Nobody else
Speaker 3: is officially retired, and so it's really more of an unofficial,
Speaker 3: unwritten rule out of respect. And I think Joe Burrow
Speaker 3: even made a comment that he's been told by people
Speaker 3: at LSU that you know, they're not going to use
Speaker 3: his number, and I think Jane was under the same impression.
Speaker 3: But there is no you know, this is retired done,
Speaker 3: that's it, So that that kind of creates the situation.
Speaker 2: I think John Blow, LSU reporter, the advocate of times picking,
Speaker 2: you please tell me how LSU fans are feeling at
Speaker 2: this moment and perhaps if you can gauge which side
Speaker 2: they are on.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I don't think this was good for Jane Daniels.
Speaker 3: You know, we even went back and talked to DJ
Speaker 3: Pickett's family and talked to his dad because we were
Speaker 3: actually working on a story just about why the number
Speaker 3: five was important to DJ Pickett, and he said, hey, man,
Speaker 3: this the whole situation makes us want to wear the
Speaker 3: number even more. And when we posted that story, all
Speaker 3: kinds of LSU fans are saying, man, we love DJ
Speaker 3: Pickett even more, like go DJ, you know very much.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of LSU fans are upset that
Speaker 3: again this became this public, this this kind of you know,
Speaker 3: nasty that this whole thing happened. I don't think that
Speaker 3: LSU fans are really on board with Jade Daniels with this.
Speaker 2: Getting back to my request, respectfully to talk to me
Speaker 2: like I'm a five year old or a golden retriever,
Speaker 2: explained to me the name image and like this part
Speaker 2: of this, like what was really the claim?
Speaker 3: We don't know. I mean, it really doesn't make a
Speaker 3: whole lot of sense because I guess the only thing
Speaker 3: that maybe they could say is, hey, take you know,
Speaker 3: Jaden's image out of these you know highlights or something
Speaker 3: like that, if you're showing you know, past highlight reels,
Speaker 3: take Jayden out. But then is that good for Jayden
Speaker 3: that he's no longer being recognized or seen for what
Speaker 3: he did at LSU. I know there was a request
Speaker 3: for maybe the Heisman trophy. LSU's copy of the Heisman
Speaker 3: trophy be returned, and maybe Jayden could put it where
Speaker 3: he wants to put it, maybe his old high school
Speaker 3: or something like that. But at the same time, it's
Speaker 3: LSU's copy, so I don't think he really has any
Speaker 3: right to that either we're actually trying to get IP
Speaker 3: attorneys on the phone, because yeah, yeah, who knows.
Speaker 2: Is there a way out of this? I mean, it
Speaker 2: seems like there's two sides ten toes down and we
Speaker 2: did a poll here on Dan Patrick showed it was
Speaker 2: in favor of LSU side of it eighty twenty. And
Speaker 2: you're telling me you're hearing very similar things and it
Speaker 2: does make sense. Is there a way? Can you imagine
Speaker 2: a way out of this for Jade and Daniels?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, again, you already put it
Speaker 3: out there. They're upset, so everybody knows that. I don't know.
Speaker 3: If DJ Pikett's gonna stop wearing the number, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't that's a way out of it. If DJ
Speaker 3: wanted to change numbers and go back and say sorry,
Speaker 3: I didn't know it was gonna be this big of
Speaker 3: a problem. But that doesn't sound like that's happening. And
Speaker 3: so yeah, I don't know. I mean, build a statue
Speaker 3: for Jayden, try to get the two sides together to
Speaker 3: you know, say hey, we have respect for you. This
Speaker 3: is how we're respecting you. Put a jersey. I don't know,
Speaker 3: patch on DJ Pickett's jersey.
Speaker 2: There you go, John Solutions oriented John blow here. Yes,
Speaker 2: the patches, the statues, I can I can see where
Speaker 2: that is real quick on the statue the Heisman trophy
Speaker 2: again factor fiction asking for the high the LSU version
Speaker 2: of the heisman, where he already has his own version
Speaker 2: of the heisman, but asking for the LSU version of
Speaker 2: the heisman? Is that true? Is that? Is that what
Speaker 2: you've been able to surmise?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that has come up. I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know how you know stringent that demand was. It
Speaker 3: wasn't in the actual cease and assist better part. So
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to take him to
Speaker 3: court over it, but it's but from what I've heard, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that that was something.
Speaker 4: That was asked.
Speaker 3: Again, it's LSU's so.
Speaker 2: I'm my understanding as ls you buys that right.
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't think he can demand. He can ask,
Speaker 3: but I don't think he can demand.
Speaker 2: Still searching for a way to get onto Daniel's head
Speaker 2: here and and his side of it, I'm not there
Speaker 2: quite yet. One last question here, what would you consider
Speaker 2: a successful season for Link if in.
Speaker 3: This year the playoff? I think you know obviously BUS. Yes,
Speaker 3: I would say playoff or BUS. I know some people
Speaker 3: are saying National championship or BUS obviously because they invested
Speaker 3: like forty plus million dollars in this roster. And obviously
Speaker 3: you paid fifty four million for Brian Kelly to leave,
Speaker 3: and so there's a lot invested, a lot riding on this.
Speaker 3: But I think as long as you make the playoff
Speaker 3: and or you're at least very much on the borderline,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you missed it near the
Speaker 3: border line, it's gonna be allowed disappointment. But I just
Speaker 3: think you got to get to the playoffs show you're
Speaker 3: in contention, you know, for bigger things, whether it had
Speaker 3: again winning a Natty, like Urban Meyer said, they have
Speaker 3: to be within a swig of it. I don't know
Speaker 3: if that's it, but I think getting to the playoff
Speaker 3: I think is kind of the benchmark for those guys.
Speaker 2: He's John Blau unless you football reporter for The Advocate
Speaker 2: Times picking you so thankful for your time today being
Speaker 2: here with us, John.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: Now, I turn to my friend Courtney Cronin, who I
Speaker 2: am just so happy to see Courtney. How are you?
Speaker 2: How's the family? It's been so long?
Speaker 6: Oh look at that I know that's.
Speaker 2: The smiling face of Corney Cronin.
Speaker 6: I've missed you, I've missed you a lot. I'm so
Speaker 6: glad I missed you more in the seat, and I'm
Speaker 6: glad that we have a chance to talk about the
Speaker 6: non Indiana. Yes, I think it's what they were rumored
Speaker 6: to have a maybe been thinking about changing their name too,
Speaker 6: But that's not going to happen. We heard from George
Speaker 6: McCaskey yesterday. They go to Hammond. If they stay in
Speaker 6: Arlington Heights, day in Illinois and build in Arlington Heights,
Speaker 6: they are still the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2: It's a saga though, all right, we're going on four years,
Speaker 2: five years? How real is Hammond now? Is Illinois actually
Speaker 2: losing the Bears should it happen? Can can a team
Speaker 2: feel it's still their state team even if it's over
Speaker 2: a state line? How do I live in New York
Speaker 2: and the New York teams play in New Jersey? But
Speaker 2: how does a Midwesterner feel about that?
Speaker 6: So for me, I try to think geographically, what is
Speaker 6: going to be the biggest burden for fans and the
Speaker 6: people who are going to games at Soldier Field right
Speaker 6: now won't have to travel that much further if they
Speaker 6: move to Hammond, because it's right around the bend in
Speaker 6: the Lake. It's twenty something miles away. It's not that far.
Speaker 6: But there are people who look at this and say,
Speaker 6: how could you move a charter franchise, a team that's
Speaker 6: going into its one hundredth and seventh season across state
Speaker 6: lines into Indiana. How can the state of Illinois allow
Speaker 6: this to happen? How can they not throw a hail Mary. Well,
Speaker 6: they've had four years to try to figure it out,
Speaker 6: and we are still at this conundrum that the Bears
Speaker 6: clearly don't want to go to Indiana because they could
Speaker 6: have been gone by now. But now Illinois, since they
Speaker 6: haven't done anything in a while, they did not pass
Speaker 6: legislation at the Bears say they need to build this stadium,
Speaker 6: which is that tax certainty in the form of the
Speaker 6: pilot bill, which is payment in lieu of taxes. I've
Speaker 6: become like an expert on this stuff, you know, the
Speaker 6: antilayer stuff. I love the exes and OSA football, but
Speaker 6: I really really love like talking about, like you know,
Speaker 6: the cost of steel rides, roads widening, and how that
Speaker 6: whole thing's going to work.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no.
Speaker 6: I mean there's a lot of fans that look at
Speaker 6: this and say, I'll still be a fan, but I'm
Speaker 6: not going to want to go to game, which I
Speaker 6: don't know if I entirely buy that the team can
Speaker 6: exist in this region, whether it's in Illinois or Indiana
Speaker 6: and still maintain the same identity. But it's definitely become
Speaker 6: this revolving door of information where you're not really getting
Speaker 6: any new information, just things moved around that leads you
Speaker 6: to the same place, right, but also not have a
Speaker 6: new stadium and they've been trying to do this now
Speaker 6: for four years.
Speaker 2: But also misinformation. It's almost like you feel the Indiana
Speaker 2: Bears came out that report, the rumor came out, you know,
Speaker 2: purposefully as a cudgel to throw out and some of
Speaker 2: this also is in a negotiating strategy on the other side.
Speaker 2: From Illinois perspective too, that's what it feels like for me.
Speaker 2: From Afar, Well, let.
Speaker 6: Me address that report that what came out, whatever was
Speaker 6: floating out there the other day. Respectfully, I don't give
Speaker 6: that report much credence. Someone's claiming they are an analyst,
Speaker 6: you're usually an analyst. If you're an expert in a
Speaker 6: certain subject matter. No one credible on the beat, no
Speaker 6: incredible who covers the team is around the team was
Speaker 6: reporting anything about this, and from what you know, I
Speaker 6: talked to a very high level source on Wednesday night.
Speaker 6: I was told it was not going to be a
Speaker 6: major stadium announcement, and it really wasn't. The only new
Speaker 6: thing we learned yesterday was that there's now an additional site,
Speaker 6: so the wolf Lake Terminal the Lost Marsh site, two
Speaker 6: areas that Tony, you have no clue. I would like
Speaker 6: to pull up a map right now and make you
Speaker 6: pick out him in Indiana, just like you'll probably get
Speaker 6: the general region. But like they're they're going to maybe
Speaker 6: merge these two sites because they've been doing all of
Speaker 6: this due diligence and testing to make sure that it's safe.
Speaker 6: And we're not going to walk away with you know,
Speaker 6: some sort of you know, a third leg growing out
Speaker 6: of our body because it isn't an area where there's
Speaker 6: steel mills.
Speaker 2: Oh, exactly a lot of environmental but just imagine a
Speaker 2: running back with three legs. Though, I mean, honestly, what
Speaker 2: are we talking about here?
Speaker 6: You know, unfair advantage for thirty one other teams.
Speaker 2: Wow, you know what, Corny, thank you so much. And
Speaker 2: of course that's why I'm happy I have here to
Speaker 2: tell me what's so unfounded and lacking founding. Let's get
Speaker 2: on the field please here. You've talked to Ben Johnson
Speaker 2: all summer. Ben Johnson this week made a little bit
Speaker 2: of news talking about his goal and the goal was
Speaker 2: for the greatest offense in the history of the NFL.
Speaker 2: How serious is he and that type of ambition? Is
Speaker 2: that a good thing or maybe not so good thing.
Speaker 6: I think he is as serious as a heart attack.
Speaker 6: That is who Ben Johnson is. It's not to him
Speaker 6: that is not an unreasonable goal. That's how he views
Speaker 6: this team. He came in and took a team that
Speaker 6: was awful from a year before it won five games
Speaker 6: in twenty twenty four and turned them into the NFC
Speaker 6: North champion and an organization that won its first franchise
Speaker 6: on its first playoff game in fifteen years. You do
Speaker 6: that in year one, you're not going to be trying
Speaker 6: to set anything other than shoot for the moon level
Speaker 6: goals for the rest of your tenure as the Bear coach,
Speaker 6: which he's brought something to this group that they didn't have,
Speaker 6: which is tangible hope based on actual results. At this
Speaker 6: time last year, we weren't exactly sure how Caleb Williams
Speaker 6: was going to look in this offense, whether it would
Speaker 6: be explosive. We knew it worked in Detroit, but you
Speaker 6: had Jared Goff and a quarterback in a quarterback who
Speaker 6: had done so much throughout his career that he'd already
Speaker 6: proven himself, and you wondered how that would translate to Chicago.
Speaker 6: It took a while, took the whole offseason, took the
Speaker 6: first month of the season, and then they started to
Speaker 6: figure it out. Now you build upon that, and for Ben,
Speaker 6: who is one of the most relentless competitors I've ever
Speaker 6: been around, I've ever covered. I mean, in the story
Speaker 6: that was written on the Athletic, they talk about that
Speaker 6: laser stare, and I've been on the receiving end of
Speaker 6: that laser stare in some press conferences. That thing will
Speaker 6: like see right through your soul. And that's just who
Speaker 6: he is as someone who wants to put up a
Speaker 6: ton of points, win games, and blowout fashion. And I
Speaker 6: believe he called for shutouts too, so.
Speaker 2: Oh he wants it all right.
Speaker 6: Once it all I mean, the thing is he's writing
Speaker 6: a lot of checks that he better hope his players
Speaker 6: can cash because this is going to be bulletin board
Speaker 6: material for all the teams that they face this year.
Speaker 6: Defenses are going to say they're trying to embarrass you
Speaker 6: out there. They're trying to put up forty fifty on
Speaker 6: you every single game, and there's going to be an
Speaker 6: incentive to stop that. But realistically, they do have the
Speaker 6: pieces around Caleb Williams, from Colston Lovelin to Luther Burton,
Speaker 6: roma Dunze, all these receivers.
Speaker 2: Put so much greatest offense in NFL history.
Speaker 6: Wow, Ok, yeah in the run the run game too,
Speaker 6: I mean it's I can't blame Ben Johnson for shooting
Speaker 6: for such a high goal. Although from where they were
Speaker 6: a year ago to where they are now, you can
Speaker 6: see it more clearly how they'll be able to get
Speaker 6: there because they're going to have to score a lot
Speaker 6: of points to win games given some of the injuries
Speaker 6: they have on defense.
Speaker 2: You mentioned bullets material, Well, that's what it was. And
Speaker 2: the three teams in the division, this may be the
Speaker 2: best division in football. Do you feel that. I think
Speaker 2: the North is And now give me the pecking order
Speaker 2: here as we approached the end of August.
Speaker 6: So i'd probably I know the Bears and you talk
Speaker 6: about those one score games, there's a place of regression
Speaker 6: that is a natural conversation landing point when you go
Speaker 6: from one year to the next. Can you win all
Speaker 6: of these games in the fourth quarter when you're down
Speaker 6: and there's two minutes left and you're go into overtime.
Speaker 6: We saw it with the Chiefs last year. That is
Speaker 6: an area that quickly sees a drop off that you
Speaker 6: don't just get to carry that year to year. But
Speaker 6: I still put them as the second best team right
Speaker 6: now entering the twenty twenty sixth season because there's a
Speaker 6: lot that has to be accounted for on defense. The
Speaker 6: offense is going to have to score a lot of points,
Speaker 6: and I think they can. But I'd go Green Bay Chicago.
Speaker 6: I moved Detroit to third because they have so some
Speaker 6: significant injuries along the offensive line. Their center just has
Speaker 6: a hand injury that's pretty significant. They've had a lot
Speaker 6: of moving parts up there. It's not something that I
Speaker 6: expect to make them a four or five six win team.
Speaker 6: I still think they're team that could end up being
Speaker 6: a wild card team, but I am not convinced that
Speaker 6: just because they bring in a new offensive coordinator and
Speaker 6: they've got some of the same pieces, namely the quarterback
Speaker 6: and the wide receivers there, that this is not going
Speaker 6: to be an offense that deals with some more attrition.
Speaker 6: But then behind them is Minnesota. I don't think JJ
Speaker 6: McCarthy or Kyler Murray. There were not really any rave
Speaker 6: reviews consistently about either of them. This to me felt
Speaker 6: like the obvious answer in going with Murray. So until
Speaker 6: we see if the reclamation project can work on another quarterback,
Speaker 6: I've got my doubts about that Minnesota Vikings team.
Speaker 2: Which Bear is ready for the breakout? Who are we
Speaker 2: not talking about enough?
Speaker 6: Luther Burden. He is a spark plug to this offense
Speaker 6: and he's got the swagger. I guess what the kids
Speaker 6: would call aura to back it up. The way that
Speaker 6: he plays in practices is the way that you see
Speaker 6: him play in games, and he started to come on
Speaker 6: last year, just like big explosive games can get away
Speaker 6: from defenders. Will you know, add so much to a
Speaker 6: passing offense that already has so many weapons, And what
Speaker 6: the Bears hope for with this offense is that they
Speaker 6: don't have to say that guy is wide receiver one,
Speaker 6: that guy is going to have the most receiving yards
Speaker 6: every single week, because one week it could be Colston Lovelin,
Speaker 6: one week it could be Roma Dune, say Luther Burden.
Speaker 6: I mean, we saw the mix of that last year,
Speaker 6: but I really think in his second year that Burden,
Speaker 6: who by all accounts should have been a first round pick,
Speaker 6: will let that first round talent show very early in
Speaker 6: his second.
Speaker 2: Season, and that just elevates Caleb Williams. Yeah, and is
Speaker 2: there one thing you're looking for with Caleb Williams right
Speaker 2: now to say this is the jump he needs to
Speaker 2: really get to that next level. And what do you
Speaker 2: think that next level can be? What is this ceiling?
Speaker 6: The things you want to see from him are not
Speaker 6: the spectacular plays, because you know those are coming. You
Speaker 6: know when he puts that superman KP on fourth quarter,
Speaker 6: two minute drill, hurry up, whatever it is, game on
Speaker 6: the line situation, he's going to come through. As boring
Speaker 6: as this sounds, I want to see him do the simple,
Speaker 6: really really well, do less. That was how quarterback their
Speaker 6: quarterbacks coach JT. Barrett phrased it. This offseason. If you
Speaker 6: have a moment where you can just take the checkdown
Speaker 6: instead of dropping back, evading pressure, scrambling around to get
Speaker 6: the same ten yard gain that you could get on
Speaker 6: a much easier pass, then go the path of least resistance.
Speaker 6: Don't make it harder on yourself. He's the best clutch
Speaker 6: quarterback that we saw last season bar none. I mean,
Speaker 6: they had seven wins when they were down, including the
Speaker 6: playoffs in that game against Green Bay where they're trailing
Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter or overtime, and they win those games.
Speaker 6: So that's a big part of who the quarterback is.
Speaker 6: He doesn't get the Madden cover if he's not doing
Speaker 6: the fourth and eighth throw to Romadunze or running backwards
Speaker 6: and then throwing the pass to cole Kmet to keep
Speaker 6: this team alive and go to overtime against the Rams.
Speaker 6: We know he can do that. What you want to
Speaker 6: see is can he be a complete quarterback? Can you
Speaker 6: do those things earlier in games too? Because they kept
Speaker 6: it interesting. They want to be boring. They want to
Speaker 6: be a team that, yes, boats up a lot of points,
Speaker 6: but it's not coming down to the final moments of
Speaker 6: the game. Do it in the first half, set yourself
Speaker 6: up for success by getting out to an earlier lead,
Speaker 6: so you're not constantly having to be in panic and
Speaker 6: ketchup mode.
Speaker 2: But we're friends. I could put you on the spot here,
Speaker 2: give you the number. If he had just that dial,
Speaker 2: HiT's his ceiling? What is his number in the NFL
Speaker 2: Quarterback Power Rankings Coron in.
Speaker 6: Edition, Top top six, top seven quarterback. I think most
Speaker 6: people will have him in that ten eleven, twelve range
Speaker 6: right now, which is totally fair. But he starts to
Speaker 6: adjust that dial, and I don't even think if you're
Speaker 6: looking for like a specific number. Should he hit four
Speaker 6: thousand yards? He came close last year. I know the
Speaker 6: Bears have never had a four thousand yard passer. It
Speaker 6: is a major milestone that he himself wants to achieve.
Speaker 6: But if he hits the benchmarks of doing less and
Speaker 6: doing less really well on top of all the great
Speaker 6: things that he does, is such an explosive playmaker, then
Speaker 6: he's one of the top quarterbacks in the league. I'd say,
Speaker 6: you know, six or seven is a very fair place
Speaker 6: to put Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2: All right, last question here to get you on this.
Speaker 2: We just saw something incredible in Chicago Pope power with
Speaker 2: the Chicago White Sox, with the Pope Pat Knight that
Speaker 2: took over the stadium. Can I impart to you the
Speaker 2: benefits of power for the Bear season what that might
Speaker 2: look like? Maybe you have a suggestion here, but you
Speaker 2: have He had to be a Bears fan, right, so
Speaker 2: he was in order to capture that. What are the
Speaker 2: Bears the a confessional handshake of peace as their touchdown
Speaker 2: celebration or defensive celebration. I'm just growing some stuff out here,
Speaker 2: think about pup power.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the Ambassador to the Vatican, by way of Caleb
Speaker 6: Williams Foundation, back in July, I brought a Caleb Williams
Speaker 6: signed jersey to the Vatican to hand to Pop Leo,
Speaker 6: which I'm sure made him very happy. He has a
Speaker 6: lot of White Sox memorabilia. I know that the Bulls
Speaker 6: gave him a jersey as well, But to get that
Speaker 6: Caleb Williams jersey, it's at it's a hot commodity.
Speaker 2: It's a hot commodity right now.
Speaker 6: I don't know if the Pope's aware of just like
Speaker 6: how much people would want that. But you know, there's
Speaker 6: one football team in Chicago. Yeah, it's not like there's
Speaker 6: two baseball teams like, if you can be ordained by
Speaker 6: the Pope, unlet the Chicago Cubs, you probably have on
Speaker 6: the outsider.
Speaker 2: Yeah, White Sox have three straight hundred lost seasons. They're
Speaker 2: in first place right now. If they were to do that,
Speaker 2: that would be the first in the history of baseball
Speaker 2: to ever do that. Why because of the Pope. Now
Speaker 2: the Bears next thing, you know, four thousand yard seasons
Speaker 2: for everything. Pope power. I had some Cordy crote In power.
Speaker 2: This is why she had a thirty three percent win
Speaker 2: percentage and around the horns. And that's this is why.
Speaker 2: Thank you Courtney so much for being here for me today.
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me. This was fun. This is fun,
Speaker 6: and I'm glad that my winning percentage stands in history.
Speaker 2: Yes, it nowhere.
Speaker 6: It's top ten somewhere like Aayler Williams. I'm top ten
Speaker 6: in something.
Speaker 2: Say hello to your brother and mother for me. All right,
Speaker 2: Thank you Cordy Crotin. Now she is.
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Speaker 2: I am cracking right now. Our three of the Dan
Speaker 2: Patrick Show. I'm sitting in for Dan who's about to
Speaker 2: walk his daughter down the aisle. That's a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2: And I am here for two days. Some man cave
Speaker 2: sits and defined folks here. Paulie Fritzy, Dylan Marvin and
Speaker 2: everybody have given me a gift, an opportunity to talk
Speaker 2: to my hero growing up. And thank you for that. Guys.
Speaker 2: I don't even understand how this came to be, but
Speaker 2: now I have to be professional with a cracked voice
Speaker 2: and say, Dave Winfield, my name is Anthony Joseph Paul really,
Speaker 2: and I am pleasure. Is my pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 4: DONI how you doing?
Speaker 2: There's a voice? Okay, ladies and gentlemen. Dave Winfield twelve
Speaker 2: times and Major League Baseball All Star Hall of Famer
Speaker 2: three thousand hits, four hundred and sixty five home runs,
Speaker 2: author of a book which I want to talk about
Speaker 2: and see if I can ask you if it hasn't
Speaker 2: been done yet, please you have to do the audio
Speaker 2: reading of your book, okay, because your voice, your voice,
Speaker 2: you did there we go? Thank you, David. Your voice
Speaker 2: is actually important to me in the origin story of
Speaker 2: me Anthony. Really, I loved you as a player. You
Speaker 2: were big, strong, and everything athletic. I was little, small,
Speaker 2: and I didn't grow until I was nineteen years old.
Speaker 2: I had a squeaky voice and glasses as I was
Speaker 2: Anthony really talking about the Yankees, and that's what I
Speaker 2: would do with a Fisher Price microphone in front of
Speaker 2: the game every day, as Phil Rizuta was calling the
Speaker 2: game and Bill White were calling the game, and you
Speaker 2: were there. You were the opposite of me. You were
Speaker 2: big strong. I heard your voice for the first time
Speaker 2: in a postgame interview and I said, that's what a
Speaker 2: man sounds like. And I say that and I had
Speaker 2: my dad and my grandparents in my life and they
Speaker 2: have beautiful voices too. But thank you. Thank you. Sometimes
Speaker 2: with heroes, of course, they never know the impact that
Speaker 2: they have on people. Now have a chance to tell
Speaker 2: you that. I want to tell you that you showed
Speaker 2: me the opposite side of it, and that helps me
Speaker 2: grow up to the man I am today. There's Tony.
Speaker 4: I appreciate. I appreciate hearing that.
Speaker 7: Really, you know, I've been fortunate in life, blessed that
Speaker 7: I was able to do something for a career and
Speaker 7: a life that I always dreamed about doing. And you know,
Speaker 7: not only just as a player, but I guess maybe
Speaker 7: it was where I come from, my hometown, my family upbringing.
Speaker 7: The career was about doing things for other folks, to
Speaker 7: service to others. It wasn't just about me. I mean,
Speaker 7: I wanted to reach my potential and I always knew that.
Speaker 7: You know, if I hit two ten or two twenty,
Speaker 7: ain't nobody listen.
Speaker 2: Well maybe now, Dave, Dave, that would be enough to
Speaker 2: enough to get you through an All Star appearance now
Speaker 2: to twenty.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, But I did have the career even more
Speaker 7: than I ever dreamed of. And as you say, as
Speaker 7: you see we're talking talking here today where we do
Speaker 7: mention my book, Man, I have an interesting life, and
Speaker 7: I never really shared all of the intimate stories and
Speaker 7: things that make up my life. People think they know it,
Speaker 7: people in New York because that was in the headlines
Speaker 7: all the time, and there was conflicts with George Steinberner
Speaker 7: and that time. But I cover those kinds of things,
Speaker 7: and I'm going to take you behind the curtain, you know,
Speaker 7: into the rooms for all the intimate discussions were had,
Speaker 7: and we were we'd square off in the squared circle
Speaker 7: and do what.
Speaker 4: We had to do.
Speaker 2: I was always with you, Dave. I was on your
Speaker 2: side no matter I appreciate it. The book is Touching
Speaker 2: All the Bases, A story of power, purpose and Surviving
Speaker 2: The Bronx by Dave Winfielden's released September fifteenth. Wherever you
Speaker 2: get books. You said something, Dave, that is my code
Speaker 2: in life. We are sympotical on this. You want to
Speaker 2: feel better about yourself, do something for other people. And
Speaker 2: how you have had an opportunity through your skill as
Speaker 2: a baseball player, through your literal voice as a man
Speaker 2: now who has been through things in life and wants
Speaker 2: to share and make the road easier for other people.
Speaker 2: That's so admirable and I adore that in anybody. Now.
Speaker 2: To know that my hero does that makes my life
Speaker 2: feel even more full circle. Can you take me back
Speaker 2: to the eighties with the I didn't know you in
Speaker 2: the seventies with the pods, and at that point you
Speaker 2: had already proven yourself to be one of the great
Speaker 2: athletes in the game. But the eighties in New York,
Speaker 2: for me the coverage around you, and I was firmly
Speaker 2: on your side, But I never understood why it was
Speaker 2: so conflicted as a young man. What was that.
Speaker 7: The guy I worked for who on the team the Yankees,
Speaker 7: was just a mercurial type of guy who was used
Speaker 7: to running the show and bullying people. You know, when
Speaker 7: I do I mentioned this, Look, there's some tough things
Speaker 7: that I had topics that I cover here. I but
Speaker 7: it's also it's not about me ripping somebody a new backside,
Speaker 7: because there's a lot of things about redemption in here,
Speaker 7: and you know, discussions that we've had beyond what you
Speaker 7: saw in the newspapers.
Speaker 4: But George Steinbern and he just.
Speaker 7: He told me early on basically, I'm not going to
Speaker 7: respect the contract that we have and if you don't
Speaker 7: like it, sue me.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 7: I can't. I'm going to give it to you, just
Speaker 7: straight up. And that's a month into it, And so
Speaker 7: I had to live with the consequences and the things
Speaker 7: for almost ten years after that. So it was a
Speaker 7: kind of a toxic, very toxic workplace. Every day I
Speaker 7: went to work hard, to believe, really putting up those numbers,
Speaker 7: and people always ask me Dave, how did you survive?
Speaker 7: How did you thrive? Why did you stay? What enabled
Speaker 7: you to stay and ultimately become the player that you were?
Speaker 7: You know you set out to be. So I cover
Speaker 7: a lot of ground in this, but overall, I'll just
Speaker 7: say this. My book will cover sports, business, philanthropy, family
Speaker 7: and community. So I'm touching all the bases and I
Speaker 7: think it's going to be inspiring, motivational, celebratory, and I
Speaker 7: look forward to it being on the market.
Speaker 2: Dave Winfield joining us on the Dan Patrick Show. I'm
Speaker 2: Tony really sitting in for Dan for the day. This
Speaker 2: was a surprise. Dave was by childhood hero and as
Speaker 2: I'm learning now and I can't read, wait to read
Speaker 2: the book my current hero too, as he's talking about
Speaker 2: self growth and redemption and doing things for other people.
Speaker 2: Dave twelve time All Star Fun questions. How come you
Speaker 2: couldn't keep the bat in your hands when you were swinging?
Speaker 7: Man? I tried to knock the cover off the ball
Speaker 7: every time if it was human out.
Speaker 2: But punts hard didn't exist for you, you know.
Speaker 7: Look, Tony, I might have the record for heaving that
Speaker 7: bat pretty far.
Speaker 4: It could get in the lift.
Speaker 7: I one time accidentally threw it, passed the picture, it
Speaker 7: landed into short center field. Yeah, yeah, you know that
Speaker 7: was my swing man.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to, like I say, knock the cover off
Speaker 4: the ball.
Speaker 7: Uh, take an extra base in someone's face, slide hard,
Speaker 7: get dirty out there, That's what I mean. Not dirty
Speaker 7: as a player, but dirty dirty.
Speaker 2: Get the uniform dirty, give him a reason to clean it.
Speaker 2: That's why. Another reason why I was drawn to you,
Speaker 2: the athlete that you were, that you had played college
Speaker 2: basketball and college baseball, That you were drafted. This is
Speaker 2: a famous story, Dave. How many sports were you drafted
Speaker 2: into professional leagues?
Speaker 4: Drafted in three professional sports?
Speaker 7: That of course, the NBA, the ABA, Major League Baseball,
Speaker 7: and the NFL. The Vikings, my hometown drafted me. Thought
Speaker 7: I could be a tight end catch some passes from
Speaker 7: fran Tarkenton.
Speaker 2: And that would work. I could see that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I could see that. But I'd probably be
Speaker 7: like this today.
Speaker 2: Yeah I do over though, Would you do another one?
Speaker 2: Would you consider it? Today's era could allow for you
Speaker 2: to play a little bit longer both.
Speaker 7: Well, no, no, I would have still played baseball. That
Speaker 7: was my love. When I grew up. My brother Steve
Speaker 7: and I you know, he would we would go to
Speaker 7: bed at night and he would think of making the
Speaker 7: greatest catch ever and majorly you know, you sketch over
Speaker 7: the show.
Speaker 4: He could do that. At twelve thirteen years old.
Speaker 2: I saw you do that.
Speaker 7: Dave.
Speaker 2: You made one of the greatest sketches of my life
Speaker 2: in left field. You were playing left field that day
Speaker 2: for the Yankees. You know the one I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: of course.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I was stuck in the wall.
Speaker 2: He's stuck in the wall. Your head was in and
Speaker 2: then somebody's lap apparently, you know, is amazing your arm, Dave.
Speaker 2: Now this is just going to turn into a Chris
Speaker 2: Farley as an l bit where I'm just like, do
Speaker 2: you have an arm? Dave, tell me about your arm.
Speaker 2: You had one of the best arms. I used to
Speaker 2: have fights with people. Bill Dave Parker, Dave Parker, I
Speaker 2: love him, great, nice beautiful eyes. Yeah, my man is
Speaker 2: Dave went Field with the arm.
Speaker 7: You know. I always had a good arm growing up,
Speaker 7: and it was probably from throwing all the rocks in
Speaker 7: the neighborhood.
Speaker 4: Anything that moved racked damn, you know, but I was
Speaker 4: a picture.
Speaker 7: Most people don't know that I was a picture throughout
Speaker 7: my entire life, all the way through college, and then
Speaker 7: I don't go to the.
Speaker 4: Minor legs and they say, Dave, play the.
Speaker 7: Outfield, we want you to hit. Think about that. We've
Speaker 7: uh so otani.
Speaker 2: Yes, Dave, that's where I wanted to go.
Speaker 7: Dude, he's doing to the great extent when I was
Speaker 7: doing for a few years all the way through.
Speaker 2: Could you have done that in Major League baseball?
Speaker 7: I think I could have. I know I could have
Speaker 7: done both. I could have pitched or hit. What he's
Speaker 7: doing is so phenomenal. It's you know who can say.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's never been seen before what he's doing.
Speaker 7: But I did both of those all the way, you know,
Speaker 7: growing up through high school through college, and did both.
Speaker 4: I was an MVP of the College World Series.
Speaker 2: I know, Dave, yes, when.
Speaker 7: We were eliminated, all of a sudden, I'll go to
Speaker 7: left field. Played left field. No honor league experience.
Speaker 2: I understand you have a documentary in the works as well,
Speaker 2: but the name of the book, Touching All the Bases,
Speaker 2: a story of power, purpose and surviving the Bronx, they
Speaker 2: wouldn't feel the author The Hall of Famer September fifteenth,
Speaker 2: is when it will be available. You've got an opportunity
Speaker 2: to play in the World Series later in your career,
Speaker 2: and that's of course wonderful moment. What do you appreciate
Speaker 2: Do you appreciate it more? Maybe that you got it
Speaker 2: in your later stage.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well listen, Tony real quick. The first World Series
Speaker 7: I was all prepared for, but it didn't work out
Speaker 7: with the Yankees.
Speaker 4: The Dodgers beat us in eighty one.
Speaker 7: It took me to nineteen ninety two in Toronto to
Speaker 7: be able to win at all. And then my very
Speaker 7: last year in ninety five, I tore a rotator cuff
Speaker 7: and I was unable to play in the World Series
Speaker 7: when Cleveland played Atlanta and Atlanta won their first.
Speaker 4: So I won one, lost.
Speaker 7: One, and was injured for But just to have that experience,
Speaker 7: that's the way you endo practice every day of growing up.
Speaker 7: Men on base game on the line. You know it's
Speaker 7: for all the money or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 7: And then you end up with a hit and then
Speaker 7: you go home and you're happy. You don't go home
Speaker 7: happy if you, oh I swung in best, I struck
Speaker 7: out the bats, stuck up on your backside, you know.
Speaker 2: So look at the smile of my hero here too.
Speaker 2: I mean you talked about the voice, you never fixed
Speaker 2: the teeth. I loved that about you too, you see.
Speaker 2: I mean that's just the gaff between the teeth and everything.
Speaker 2: There's a thing about meeting your hero or talking to
Speaker 2: your hero. You get a chance to tell them what
Speaker 2: they mean to you, you know. And I do a
Speaker 2: thing with my kids, Dave. You know who helped you
Speaker 2: today and who did you help?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: You end the day with like so you don't ask
Speaker 2: them how was your day? You asked them who helped
Speaker 2: you today? And who did you help? You helped me today.
Speaker 2: By a period of the show, you had no business here,
Speaker 2: to be honest, you're surprised me and you helped me,
Speaker 2: like I told you, because you showed me what the
Speaker 2: height of sports was, and I was a man who
Speaker 2: wanted to do sports, or at least talk about sports.
Speaker 2: Who was your hero?
Speaker 7: It would truly be. It would start with my family,
Speaker 7: my mother, my brother, and myself. We didn't have much.
Speaker 7: My parents were divorced when I was young, so I
Speaker 7: appreciate everything she poured into us. And I of course
Speaker 7: I had a great couple of coaches as young people.
Speaker 7: As a young man, I will give this guy named
Speaker 7: Bill Peterson a great he's still alive today. He helped me,
Speaker 7: He helped Paul Molitor to another Hall of Famer. But
Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'll tell you this, the Parks and rec
Speaker 7: Department in Minnesota was great, and Saint Paul was great.
Speaker 7: But as far as who I helped, all the guys
Speaker 7: you see today that have foundations at subsequent to I
Speaker 7: was the first in all sports to create a nonprofit
Speaker 7: operating foundation. Five O one C three Derek Jeter, who's
Speaker 7: having his thirtieth annual dinner on the tenth in New York.
Speaker 4: They're going to honor me.
Speaker 7: Derek Jeter is one of the guys that I influenced
Speaker 7: who wanted to be a Yankee and who wanted to
Speaker 7: have a foundation.
Speaker 4: So we're very good friend. You never know.
Speaker 2: You never know, And that's the wonderful thing when you
Speaker 2: lead by example like the way you do, or when
Speaker 2: you share your story. And that's precisely what you did
Speaker 2: in the book Touching All the Bases, a story of power,
Speaker 2: purpose and surviving the Bronx. I'm gonna love it for
Speaker 2: the baseball. I'm gonna love it for the self growth,
Speaker 2: I think, is how I would describe I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it in your words, and how you talked about learning
Speaker 2: and leaning into philanthropy. I'm gonna enjoy that part in
Speaker 2: the business sense. The book comes out September fifteenth, Dave,
Speaker 2: it's been outstanding. Havening you here. We have one more.
Speaker 8: Thing, PAULI, mister Winfield, just from us guys. Here today
Speaker 8: is the four the anniversary August fourteenth, nineteen ninety one
Speaker 8: of you hitting home run number four hundred when you're
Speaker 8: with the Angels.
Speaker 2: I was with California. Yeah, yah, I remember, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: wasn't with the Yankees. I wanted four hundred for you
Speaker 2: and the Yankees. You had the back issue in eighty nine.
Speaker 2: And then the trade, which was just I mean, I
Speaker 2: mean Mike Witt was the picture. I believe Trade four Yeah.
Speaker 4: First trading history for me.
Speaker 2: In my house, it was for me. I would read
Speaker 2: this is back when we read newspapers every day. I'm
Speaker 2: still young to see what you had done with the Angels,
Speaker 2: and most of those games weren't in time for the paper.
Speaker 2: And then I would always try to make sure you know,
Speaker 2: like when you hit a home run, you fill out
Speaker 2: the whole line. You know, four lines. I was looking
Speaker 2: for those four lines and I think twenty five home
Speaker 2: runs that year with California, California.
Speaker 7: You know, I do have to say it was good
Speaker 7: that I was able to leave the Angel.
Speaker 2: I think so too.
Speaker 4: A lot in the tank.
Speaker 7: And I say this from the standpoint that same year
Speaker 7: I was traded or accepted a trade, I was comeback.
Speaker 4: Player of the year.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, when I go to Toronto, I win a world champion,
Speaker 7: made it possible. And now go to Minnesota, I get
Speaker 7: three thousand hits and so it enabled me to get
Speaker 7: out from under this cloud and fulfill my dash the place.
Speaker 2: You needed that, and that is a story. I'm living
Speaker 2: through this right now. Sometimes you have to go through
Speaker 2: that and it's a wonderful And I just remember that
Speaker 2: that hit you had with Toronto. You can hit any pitch.
Speaker 2: Your exit of philosophy would be John Carlos Stanton right now.
Speaker 2: But that was a ball that was getting away. But
Speaker 2: you did anything to put the bat and the ball
Speaker 2: hit that double down the line. Dave Winfeld, thank you
Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you've put that hockey stick out there.
Speaker 8: And the last thing, mister Winfield, Tony's not going to ask,
Speaker 8: but do you have an autograph book for Tony coming
Speaker 8: this way?
Speaker 2: Oh, we don't have to do that.
Speaker 4: I'll go to his house and well, look you, I'll
Speaker 4: sign this one and.
Speaker 2: You hop me up. You know a guy. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much, Dave. You broke my voice here, my voice.
Speaker 2: Thank you did it? Dave Winfield everyone, Baseball Hall of Famer,
Speaker 2: twelve time all author book comes out in September, and
Speaker 2: my surprise for working here for two days, you guys
Speaker 2: give me. Thanks for coming on, Dave, all right man,
Speaker 2: thank voice