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He scored 18 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: nearly ten thousand points in the NBA. The man could 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: get buckets. He was the first draft pick and the 20 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: first player signed by the Charlotte Hornets, and he looked 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: great in those teal unis. And he brings smiles to 22 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 2: tweeters faces all over the world in a time where 23 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: we need it the most. I'm wearing a blocker charred 24 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: shirt right now with us is Rex Tratman. Rex, thank 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: you for joining us. 26 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 3: My guy Taz got the rep in the gear. 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: No doubt it. Brother for ky dot Com, I. 28 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 3: Know how you been, man. I'm happy to be on 29 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 3: the show. 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 2: As good as I can be. There's no complaints over here. Okay, 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: stop complaining a while ago. I am enjoying seeing your 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: face everywhere. I gotta be honest. 33 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 3: Oh God, with. 34 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: Your tweets for your face. 35 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: My friends don't feel the same. I've missed basketball, I've 36 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 3: missed seeing you guys. 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 2: We're your dire straits on that front. Yeah, we're all 38 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 2: at you absolutely well. Since you bring it up, what 39 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: do you think of the whole bubble idea in Orlando 40 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: next month? 41 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm trying to remain optimistic about it. I 42 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: want it to work. I just this virus. It's I 43 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 3: don't know how you're gonna all right, Suppose we start 44 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: playing this and then you know, you get into it, 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 3: and Lebron you know, gets COVID, you know, is tested 46 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 3: for COVID. I just don't I mean, do we think 47 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 3: that we're going to actually have a bubble of nobody 48 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 3: in there? Nobody's gonna get in there too. Uh. It 49 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: just seems optimistic, I think. But I'm pulling forward. I 50 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 3: missed basketball. I just also want everyone to be healthy. 51 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's kind of hard to see people not 52 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: leaving the bubble and coming back in. And things are 53 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 2: sort of good in the Orange County area, in the 54 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: Orlando Walt Disney area, I'm sort of good. It's kind 55 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 2: of a dumb thing to say, but the numbers aren't 56 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 2: bad there. It's just it's crazy to think that we're 57 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: also projecting, yeah, seven months or seven weeks down the road. 58 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: This is a yeah, we have no idea, you know, 59 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: it's all kind of Yeah. It's very fluid, as they say. 60 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: You know what's fluid? Rex what you start throwing up 61 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 2: videos on your Twitter account and in an instant, less 62 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: than seven weeks, in an instant, people start following you 63 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 2: and retweeting your videos. I think it was the beginning 64 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: of twenty nineteen when he started throwing up videos. I know, listen. 65 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: I know it's not your favorite topic to talk about 66 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: your Twitter, but we've got some young people who listen 67 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: to get it. Yeah, some people may not know you 68 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 2: as a basketball player, so I got to familiarize them 69 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: with you and who you are. They just know your 70 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: Twitter accounts. So I got to ask, how did blocker 71 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: charge start? And how did it how did it just 72 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 2: become an avalanche interrupt into now like almost a million 73 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 2: people following you. 74 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 3: It's just so it's so weird. And like I think 75 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 3: about ten years ago, Jim Rome was a buddy of 76 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 3: mine and he said, man, you should get on Twitter. 77 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 3: And I thought Twitter was the dumbest thing in the world, 78 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: and it still kind of is. But so he talked 79 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 3: me into getting on there. And I was on there 80 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 3: for two or three years probably, and just snarky, snarky. 81 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: Can I cuss, Yeah, snarky, snarky, bullsh just you know, 82 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: like Twitter is, arguing with people and whatnot. And then 83 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: I got in trouble. I you know, have had a 84 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 3: painkiller addiction for I had for fourteen or fifteen years. 85 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: I've been clean for about five years, but I took 86 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 3: a break during that time. Naturally after rehabing like twenty fourteen, 87 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 3: and I wasn't on Twitter at all for a couple 88 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: of years, then started kind of dabbling again and posted 89 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: a stupid video that people thought was kind of funny 90 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: or clever. I guess at the beginning of last year, 91 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 3: and I probably went from about seventy five, yeah, seventy 92 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 3: seventy five thousand followers to you know, there's probably three 93 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: quarters of a million on there now. It's just the 94 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 3: dumbest kind of You couldn't you couldn't plan it for sure. 95 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 3: It's just weird. It's just very weird. 96 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's people in offices, well not anymore, but 97 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: in virtual out is right now saying to each other 98 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 2: how do we go viral? How do we go viral? 99 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 2: And I know, Rex, did it just thrown up? 100 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: It's crazy, It's crazy, you know, it's else is kind 101 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: of crazy. Last year I went to get my SEC 102 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: media credential in Nashville and I go down to the 103 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 3: area you're supposed to go to and there were you know, 104 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: eight to ten in turns down there working for the 105 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: SEC that probably went to school at Bandy and I 106 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 3: gave him my ID and they looked at me, and 107 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: I was late. I was trying to get into the game, 108 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: so I was kind of rushing and being shitty anyway, 109 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 3: So I handed him my ID and they kind of 110 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 3: looked at it. They a couple of them showed it 111 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 3: to other people and one of the guys comes up 112 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: and says, are you Rex Chapman. I said, yeah, he said. 113 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: The guy from Twitter said yeah, And this was at 114 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 3: the SEC basketball tournament. You know, so these kids just 115 00:06:56,320 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 3: had no idea that I ever played basketball, which is 116 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: kind of cool. 117 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: It's kind of cool. 118 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is kind of refresh you. 119 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, we know, we pretend to be young and into 120 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: young people things on this show, and so I think 121 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: there are some young people who are feeling the same 122 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: way right now. Rex score ten thousand points in the 123 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: NBA that I was a ball you hung thirty nine 124 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: on MJ and inety six. 125 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, it's so silly, man, So silly. Life is 126 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: life is weird, is weird. 127 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 2: That's a that's a great quote if anyone, if you 128 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 2: take anything from this podcast, those three words. 129 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 3: Man, life is weird, life is weird, and life is 130 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: hard to make no mistake about it. There's nothing easy 131 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: about it. 132 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: So you must get hundreds thousands of videos sent to 133 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: you a day that you have to just filter through 134 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: because you do the filtering yourself, right, and then you 135 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: post it yourself. 136 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, and I it's much easier now there 137 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 3: are are They're a half dozen to a dozen people 138 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: scattered all over I mean probably well a couple in 139 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 3: other countries that I've just met through Twitter who send 140 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 3: me videos. Now, they're generous, just people that know kind 141 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: of what other people like on my stupid channel. So 142 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 3: I'll just I'll get the video now and then just 143 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: sort of think of a caption to go with it. 144 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: For the most part, but yeah, it's it's great. At first, 145 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 3: I was spending more time trying to find these blocker 146 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 3: charge videos, which, by the way, they're great, I guess, 147 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: but you can only hit people over the head with 148 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 3: people getting hurt. At some point I started, I can 149 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: still do the locker charge from time to time, and 150 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: we've got that silly show on Adult Swim now. But 151 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 3: for the most part, you know, I try to put 152 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 3: up dog videos and feel good kind of stuff, especially 153 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 3: right now pandemic all of the you know, civil unrest 154 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 3: and whatnot. So people I think people want to just 155 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: take a break from what's going on outside our homes 156 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 3: and just find a minute or two to make them 157 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: laugh or smile. 158 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think coming through the timeline is a 159 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 2: lot of you call it a stupid account, but there 160 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 2: is a lot of those feel good moments and people 161 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: being happy. And what I do see coming through my 162 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 2: timeline are people saying, just take am inute and watch this. 163 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 3: Right. 164 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: It's not a person gett kneecapped. It's usually it's a 165 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 2: feel good moment. 166 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. 167 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: The last question about the Twitter account, what are the rules? 168 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 2: Because I remember months and months ago when we talked 169 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: about it real briefly. So you do have a couple 170 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: of rules. 171 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: What are the rules? 172 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 173 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't die, No, no dying. I don't know 174 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: if there are any other rules. 175 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 2: I think that's it. 176 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you can't. You can't die on there. 177 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 3: And I don't like to show and I won't show 178 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 3: anybody that gets messed up to a point where they're 179 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: not going to be okay at some point. So yeah, 180 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 3: at first, I pushed I pushed it. I pushed it 181 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: at times, and you know, you find out very quickly, 182 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 3: you know what what people can and want to look at, 183 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 3: and what they do not want to look at. So 184 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 3: I'm kind of weird. I have a watching gory stuff 185 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 3: doesn't really bother me, but I know it does most people. 186 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about why I really wanted to have 187 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: you on the show, because you are speaking out against 188 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 2: racism and for the hardships that black people face in 189 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: our country. You wrote a very spirited article in the 190 00:10:55,679 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: Lexington Herald Leader about growing up in Kentucky playing ball 191 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 2: with a lot of black teammates and how they were 192 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: treated differently, how the police treated them differently. So it's 193 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: just a sort of a generic first question, what drove 194 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: you to speak out? 195 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: Well, you know, Stevie Jackson, Stephen Jackson was my rookie. 196 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 3: He was a rookie in Phoenix when I was playing there. 197 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 3: He didn't make our team. But Stevian and George Flint, uh, 198 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 3: they they were boys, grew up together. Stevie's my boy. 199 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: Seeing what happened last week in Minneapolis, I don't know 200 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: that I'll get over. I've had the privilege of learning 201 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 3: about racism, I don't I've not experienced it in a 202 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 3: negative way. You know, as much as many of us 203 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: white people that think that we woke or you're never 204 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 3: you're never going to get it, You're never going to 205 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 3: get what it's like. And I was just I'm sick 206 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 3: of it. I'm sick of it. And you know, there's 207 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 3: kind of this, you know, I think there was a 208 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: misconception a lot around where I live now that that 209 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: we had a black president and then that was it, 210 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 3: that was going to be the end of racism. Well no, Also, 211 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: had we elected Hillary Clinton as president, sexism wouldn't have ended. 212 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it's like a marriage. You got to commit 213 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 3: and then you've got to continue to work at it. 214 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 2: And you're in Kentucky right now. 215 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: I'm in Kentucky. Yeah, And you know, just talking about 216 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 3: the systemic part of it. I was lucky and that 217 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: I grew up in a town of about fifty thousand 218 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: people that had a lot of black people in it. 219 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 3: My dad played basketball with and against those those black guys, 220 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 3: his peers. Growing up, I had a built in bunch 221 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 3: of friends down in the projects that and from the 222 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: time I was seven or eight, you know, I'd be 223 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: I would ride my bike there or be taken there 224 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 3: for the weekend, and i'd stay the weekend. So and 225 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: I also did that with my white friends in the country. 226 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 3: So I really did, you know, experience a lot of that. 227 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 3: And what I can say, I was lucky from a 228 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:28,359 Speaker 3: basketball perspective, because, honest to goodness, when I left Kentucky 229 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 3: and you know, and would go to basketball camps outside 230 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: the state, most of the kids that I was playing against, 231 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 3: they weren't as good as the guys I was grew 232 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: up with playing against and with in my hometown. So 233 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: a that really helped me. But be it also taught 234 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: me something else. Around thirteen years old, you start, if 235 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: you're any good at basketball, you start getting these, you know, 236 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: invitations to go to a basketball camp. That's how it 237 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 3: was back in the day. Anyway, that invitation wasn't it 238 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 3: wasn't a compt. You still had to pay to go, 239 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 3: but you'd go and there'd be college scouts there. Well, 240 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: my dad was the local basketball coach at the college. 241 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 3: It was like, if two hundred dollars to go to camp, 242 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 3: I got to go to camp. None of my teammates did. 243 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 3: None of my friends and the projects got to go. 244 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 3: There was no way they were going to go. It 245 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: was just it was an advantage that I had that 246 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 3: they didn't. And you know, when I think back, I 247 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 3: didn't give a shit about school. I didn't, but my 248 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: folks were there saying, hey, you got to make your 249 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 3: grades or you can't. You know, you're not even going 250 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: to be able to play basketball. Well, my friends in 251 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 3: the hood there, you know, then mom might not come 252 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: home at night, they might not know their dad. They 253 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: might maybe living with their grandparents, who you know, have 254 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 3: already raised seven kids. So you know, I would go 255 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: stay in the projects and you know, for a weekend 256 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: and there would be you know, eight people in a 257 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 3: two bedroom place with no air conditioning, ninety five degrees outside, 258 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 3: all the windows are up. It's privilege that I had 259 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: that my friends didn't. And I'm just tired of dancing 260 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 3: around the issue. That's all, tad. Sorry to go off 261 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: on the nager. 262 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: Do not apologize. I think that's I think you just 263 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: said you're tired of it and it's time to speak out. 264 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: And I found it interesting just to try and make 265 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 2: things a little bit positive here, because if there is 266 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 2: any little spark, this little ray of hope is in 267 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: all this, it's that people are finding their voice to 268 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: be able to speak out and I even I read 269 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: a quote from you, and I know it's weird to 270 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: read their quote, but I'm going to read it to you. 271 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: This is from March. You talk to ESPN's Ryan McGee 272 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: on March third, and you weren't speaking out then, was 273 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: obviously before George Floyd. You said, I have strong opinions 274 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 2: about certain things. But I realized at some point that 275 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 2: there are a lot of smarter people out there than 276 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: me commenting on that stuff. People with political science degrees 277 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 2: and politicians and doctors and lawyers. All the stuff that 278 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: I think I have a strong opinion about doesn't matter. 279 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: They don't want to hear that from me. That's the 280 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 2: end of the quote. And I know, JD you know, 281 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: on this podcast here myself, we all sort of feel 282 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 2: that way as well. I'll go on Twitter and I'll 283 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: see somebody have an opinion about race or about something, 284 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: and I'll say, well, it's already there. I mean, I 285 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: don't have to say it, but I mean, that's the 286 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 2: scariest part about being a human being for me. I mean, 287 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: one of the scariest things is that if you don't 288 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: feel like you have a voice, you're it's it's it's 289 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: it's it's just so dwarfing, it's so it's so difficult 290 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 2: to deal with it, and it's I find it very 291 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 2: very inspiring to hear you go from that to what 292 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: you're doing now. 293 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, I really don't want to. I 294 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: don't want to be doing this. I really don't. I 295 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 3: really don't, but I'm with you. There is a ray 296 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 3: of hope now when I think back, I could have 297 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 3: I had these same opinions, many of these same opinions 298 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 3: when I was eighteen. I could have said something. I 299 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 3: could have and I didn't because everyone was telling me, 300 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 3: hey man, you know that might have affect your pocketbook 301 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: and your image and this and that and this and that. 302 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: It took me. You know, actually I did say something 303 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 3: about it about fifteen years ago. It kind of you know, 304 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: made its way around and then died. But it's taken 305 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: me until I'm fifty two to really come out and say, 306 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 3: you know some things, and look, I feel qualified to 307 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: do this if I know three things task. I know basket, 308 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: If I stay in my lane, I'll be all right. 309 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: I know basketball, I know drugs, opioids, and I know race. 310 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: From a white as Fleet's perspective, my own, you know, experiences. 311 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 3: I don't have a problem speaking out on any of 312 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: that stuff. I've experienced it. I know, I know what 313 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 3: I'm talking about. I'm not gonna delve into other areas, uh, 314 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 3: politically or otherwise, because I don't know about them. So 315 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to stay in my lane. And look, 316 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit people with facts, and I'm not going 317 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: to give them, you know, my opinion on opioids. I'm 318 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 3: gonna hit them with the facts. I'm gonna hit them 319 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 3: with the facts racially. But because you know, I can't 320 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 3: believe that we're here. I cannot believe that we're even 321 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 3: here talking about this stuff again. However, the silver lining 322 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 3: is that I've not seen people this upset racially since 323 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 3: i was a kid, you know, in the sixties and seventies. 324 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 3: So this I think, ultimately, hopefully we're gonna get to 325 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: a better spot. But again, I'll and I'll say it plainly, 326 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: George Floyd's death as the march, as the Black Lives 327 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,400 Speaker 3: Matter March was going on. Rand Paul, one of our 328 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 3: Kentucky senators, was in Washington trying to block and blocking 329 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 3: anti lynching legislation, and look, man that can't stand that, 330 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 3: you know, and people don't talk about him like they 331 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 3: talk about Steve King, who they call a racist. What 332 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 3: are we even talking about here? Blocking making you want 333 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 3: to make it easier for people who lynch black people 334 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 3: to not go to prison? What are we even talking about? 335 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 3: This is the I mean, I feel like I'm taking 336 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: crazy pills again. 337 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: Taz Well, you said you didn't want to talk about politics, 338 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: but I was going to bring that up as well, 339 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,239 Speaker 2: because I've heard you talk about that bill, and I 340 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 2: know there's people out there that say, hey, I don't 341 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: want to deal with with politics, but it's hard to 342 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: sometimes separate yourself and sometimes block out what the hell 343 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: is going on, all the noise on Twitter and actually 344 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 2: see what's happening, what legitimate things are happening to change 345 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 2: our world, the laws and the voting expression and that 346 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 2: that is bonkers what you just said, and I and 347 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 2: I've read about it, and. 348 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: It is it is. It's bonkers. It's nuts. I mean, 349 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 3: in America, what in twenty twenty. 350 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's one person holding up a bill. 351 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what who are you serving there? I mean, 352 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 3: I live in Kentucky, I'm born and raised here. I 353 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 3: don't know one person, and I've talked to everyone over 354 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 3: the last week. I don't know one person that goes, yeah, 355 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: you know, he's really doing a good thing for kentuck Uckians. There, 356 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 3: what you're doing a good thing for absolutely nobody, nobody, 357 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 3: And that's the truth. I've never experienced the time in 358 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: my life where the leadership. You know, Taz, We've all 359 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: played sports, we've all been on teams. You know, leaders 360 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 3: who inspire and those who don't. The best leaders inspire 361 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 3: you to be better than you ever think that you 362 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: can be. This leadership, actually think about it inspires people 363 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 3: to be worse than they already are. And I can't stand. 364 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 3: I can't sit by, and I think, come on, this 365 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 3: is a joke. And if anybody doesn't think, please please 366 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 3: look up Greg Popovich's quote from a couple of weeks ago. 367 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 3: That dude, if you ever want to know why he 368 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 3: can inspire people during a twenty second time out or 369 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 3: a halftime, that dude is Hall of Fame quote waiting 370 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 3: to happen. What an unbelievable job he did of breaking 371 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 3: down our leadership. 372 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I appreciate you your passion there, and 373 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 2: I know we're all trying to be and I'm in 374 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 2: the same boat. I'm I'm a privileged white man, and 375 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 2: I am trying to be as quote unquote woke as possible. 376 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 3: I am. 377 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 2: I'm reading the books that are on the New York 378 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: Times bestseller list. I guess that's a good sign that 379 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: everybody is pretending to read anyways. But I'll hit you 380 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: with a tough question about that in your world, go ahead. 381 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: I was going to say, people keep asking me how 382 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: I'm doing. I say, well, what, I'm white? What could 383 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: be better? I mean, I was very white here living 384 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: in a really white world right now. I mean, good lord, 385 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 3: what could be better? Heterosexual, adult white man? I hit 386 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: the lottery? 387 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: Is Is there any any advice, any anything you could 388 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: you would say to someone who, I mean not just 389 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 2: isn't racist, but somebody who you want to turn anti 390 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 2: racist to help to be like what you're doing right now. 391 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 3: You know, someone asked me the other day what I 392 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 3: thought about Roger Goodell's you know, flip Flop, and I 393 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 3: said pathetic. It was pathetic, but okay, good And they 394 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 3: asked me about Drew Brees and I said disappointing. I said, 395 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 3: but listen, Man, I've been pathetic before, and you're not judged. 396 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:40,400 Speaker 3: You never judged people. You shouldn't be judged by your 397 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 3: worst moment. The only the only way you should be 398 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 3: judged negatively for that is if you don't do something 399 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: to make that narrative change, if you don't try to 400 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: do better and be better and learn from it. So 401 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: whereas I thought it was pathetic and disappointing, all right, 402 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 3: here's where we are, and so far, you know they've 403 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 3: taken the right steps, so you know, let's let's try 404 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 3: to learn and grow from it. Right. 405 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: Hey, NASCAR is banning Confederate flags from. 406 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 3: The rest and dude, that's and listen, I had said 407 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 3: something snarky last night on Twitter. I'm sure like count 408 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 3: me unimpressed. It's twenty twenty. But hey man, but it's 409 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 3: a start. It is a start, and I applaud them, 410 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 3: I do. You know. It's like I remember Chris Rock 411 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 3: saying a long time ago, you shouldn't be praised for 412 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 3: something you're supposed to be doing anyway. But it is 413 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 3: a start, and it's a step. And guess what, they'll 414 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 3: get some backlash over this from their fans. You just 415 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 3: wait and watch it's not going to be seamless. No, there. 416 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 2: I think there's already one driver you said, he's quitting. 417 00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, a driver who, by the way, never won a 418 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 3: ever look it up. He's quitting and he had he 419 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: had the courage to walk away from a sport that 420 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 3: he never ever won at. That's that's really, that's courageous. 421 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 2: Getting some headlines on his way out. That's yeah, it's 422 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: it's it's obviously it's twenty twenty. And it sounds nuts 423 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 2: that there were Confederate flags at NASCAR races in the 424 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 2: first place. But I think that goes back to your 425 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: point there about being judged if you can't turn things around. Well, 426 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: you know, if right, if NASCAR said, oh no, oh no, 427 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 2: you can't take away our quote unquote history, our legacy, 428 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 2: everybody out there can take a step. If if a 429 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 2: sports league or you know, a sports organization can take 430 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: a step like Roger Goodell, did you know, like NASCAR did, 431 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 2: an individual can as well. So there's a. 432 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 3: I'm with you, I'm with and I want to say something. 433 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 3: There's not a chance, not a chance in hell. I 434 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: don't have a team. But if I'm on a team, 435 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 3: if I'm playing in the league right now and my teammates, Neil, 436 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 3: I'm kneeling with them. Come on, man, that's not even 437 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 3: a question. And it's going to take somebody doing something 438 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 3: major on a big stage for that to happen. But 439 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 3: what I will I appreciate so much what the what 440 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 3: the black football players did and getting together and putting 441 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 3: out a message because it put pressure. It put pressure 442 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 3: on Roger Goodell and them. Man, this is the whole 443 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 3: anthem thing has never been about the flag. Every time 444 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: somebody says that, I want to say it's about the injustice, 445 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 3: stupid that's but I can't. So you've got to try 446 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 3: to look. If it was about the anthem and the flag, 447 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 3: the restaurant, the restrooms, and concession stands would be closed 448 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: while they did all of it. You wouldn't be able 449 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 3: to go take a sh during the anthem, No you would, 450 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 3: and that if it was so fucking important, you just wouldn't. 451 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 3: And now the football players put their league on blast, 452 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 3: and the league, the league stepped to the forefront and 453 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: had to do something. And I applaud those players. But 454 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 3: here's what I want to say. We can think of 455 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 3: the handful of players who who knelt over the last 456 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 3: few years. We know some of their names. A lot 457 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 3: more players, and I know this for a fact, a 458 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 3: lot more players wanted to kneel. But when you're playing 459 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:42,239 Speaker 3: in the NFL and your average life expectancy in that 460 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 3: league career expectancy is three years or whatever, there are 461 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: other things that you must take into consideration. And if 462 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: you think guys weren't worried about their pocketbooks over there, 463 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 3: you're sorely mistaken, and they should be rightfully so. Well. 464 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: I remember making decisions based on that when I was playing. 465 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 3: I didn't have to have to make this kind of decision, though, 466 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 3: So I applaud I applaud these football players. I really do. 467 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, the football players obviously made Roger Goodell make that statement. 468 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 3: They did. But when I'm saying this, I'm equally as 469 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: disappointed as I was, and how the NFL's handled it 470 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 3: over the last year. I couldn't be more proud of 471 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 3: our league. I couldn't. I really couldn't. In the NBA, 472 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 3: from coronavirus to racial issues, I mean, we are at 473 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 3: the We're at the front of all this stuff, and 474 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 3: it makes me proud, proud, proud to have played basketball 475 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: in this in this league. 476 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 2: And you're close obviously with the Kentucky Wildcats and doing 477 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 2: work for them. How do you see the outlook on 478 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 2: that sort of the college front this coming season, both 479 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: from you know, put the basketball aside, just from this 480 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 2: this injustice standpoint. Will we see that type of behavior, 481 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: from that type of action from from young players, which 482 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 2: is obviously a lot to ask kids that. 483 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 3: That's a lot to ask. And I don't know. I 484 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 3: don't know that we will or not. Whether we will 485 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 3: or not that I think that remains to be seen. 486 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 3: I do know this that I'm gonna I'll be marching 487 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 3: on Saturday with a bunch of basketball players current and former. 488 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: Uh here in here in Lexington. So you know, look, 489 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 3: times are changing and you better get on board and 490 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: keep up with or you're going to get left behind. Yeah. 491 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 2: And you have done a lot of fundraising for charities 492 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 2: through blocker charge for ky Ky for ky dot com, 493 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 2: got it not for for for ky There's there's a lot, 494 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: there's a lot of words there. Yeah, but you raised 495 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: a ton of money for people trying to cope with 496 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: coronavirus related hardships through your Rex Chapman COVID nineteen relief fund. 497 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: I think it was after three days, it was one 498 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,479 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty k. What are to get up to it? 499 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: We're not asking you to brag, but this was important stuff. 500 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 3: No we got we got to around two hundred and 501 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 3: thirty to two hundred and forty grand. We've we've given 502 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: away most of it at this point. And when I 503 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 3: say this, this is the coolest part about the whole 504 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: Twitter thing. You know, So I was down on my 505 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 3: luck for a while. I was a lottery pick in 506 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 3: the NBA. I probably made forty million dollars playing and 507 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,360 Speaker 3: for you know, four years ago, I was living on friends' 508 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: couches and staying in my car a couple of nights. 509 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 3: So I know what it's like to be scared and 510 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 3: alone and down and feeling like, you know, you're desperate. 511 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 3: Sometimes you just need a hot meal to get through 512 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: the night. We we gave money to you know, places 513 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 3: here in Kentucky and York and New Jersey for meals, 514 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: you know, food banks and first responders ppe that that's 515 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: the good stuff. And all of that came just as 516 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 3: a result of this, you know, Twitter and people were 517 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,959 Speaker 3: so generous, So, you know, not a lot makes me happy. 518 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 3: That makes me happy. 519 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 2: Okay, we've got more to get to, but first a 520 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 2: word from our sponsors. Warning. This ad contains mild language 521 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 2: which some viewers may find disturbing listeners. Discretion is advised. 522 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 2: Sunday Scaries aren't scary, They're the opposite. They are specially 523 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 2: formulated CBD gummies with vitamins that are super consumable and 524 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: easy to take wherever you may find yourself during this 525 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: scary time. 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You just reminded me 535 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: we were talking about the national anthem. You shouldn't be 536 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 2: in the in the bathroom if it was important they'd 537 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: close bathrooms, they'd close concessions. You know what I don't 538 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: like was people chewing gum during the anthem. I don't know, 539 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just a traditionalist, but really yeah, And you 540 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 2: know what, it reminded me of a story of us 541 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: when we were working together. 542 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 3: I chew gum all the time. 543 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 2: I know, I know, yeah, I mean that doesn't bother me. 544 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 3: You can chew it whenever you want, but not during 545 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 3: the anthem. 546 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: Not during the anthem. 547 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 3: I don't know what. Wow, Okay, I've never heard this. 548 00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 2: One before though, but it reminded me of a story. 549 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: And we were sitting together, We're working all night, we're 550 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: watching games all night for the bounce. You know where 551 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 2: I'm getting or I'm yeah, I do, I absolutely do. 552 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: So You're sitting on one side of me, Ryan Holland's 553 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: former player, current media personality, is on the other side, 554 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,680 Speaker 2: and you guys requested a drink, something not an alcoholic drink. 555 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: I drink earlier in the night. You guys get whatever 556 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 2: you got in your mugs. And at some point hours later, 557 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: Ryan Hollands says, there's gum in my mug. 558 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: Wow. I think while we were on air and or 559 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 3: we went right to break and because I had tasted 560 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 3: right at that moment when he said that, I had 561 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 3: tasted my drink just before, and it wasn't my drink. 562 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 3: I was like somebody poured it was like somebody poured 563 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 3: Ryan's drink into my drink something like that. And anyway, 564 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 3: he ended up with my gum in his mouth, and 565 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 3: I guess we laughed for the rest of the show, right. 566 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, because yeah, because somehow the mugs got switched, I think. 567 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: And you like to have your gum on the edge 568 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 2: of your yeah, all in my drink, Oh, in your drink. 569 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 2: I thought it was like on the edge of your 570 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: mug for later, you save it for later, but you 571 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 2: just throw it in there. 572 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 3: I chew a one piece all day. That's what kind 573 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 3: of addict. I am one piece, and I keep it 574 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 3: in my drink when I go, when I eat or 575 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 3: do whatever. Yeah, I'm that stupid. I don't like the 576 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 3: flavor of my gum. I don't like the flavor of gum. 577 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 3: I just don't like it, but I like the chewing part. 578 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 3: So I chew all the flavor out of it and 579 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 3: then put it in my drink when I've got to go. 580 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 3: On TV. I should just we should. That's the next thing. 581 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 3: Unflavored gum for addicts and but not. You must not 582 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 3: be chewed during the nattional anthem. 583 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 2: It's impossible to you. If you put it in your 584 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 2: mouth and the national anthem starts, you get electrocuted. 585 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 586 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 2: And then that would be a great video for blocker 587 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 2: charge right there, the guy who got electrocuted. Yeah, so 588 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,000 Speaker 2: I know you were close to west Unseld. Yeah, the 589 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 2: great west On Salt who recently passed. And uh, you 590 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 2: mentioned him in your in your article. What did west 591 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,879 Speaker 2: Onsalt mean to youh man? 592 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,480 Speaker 3: He really just taught me so much about a little 593 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 3: about basketball. But he's from my hometown or my home state. 594 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: Uh. 595 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 3: He played around the time my dad was playing, and 596 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 3: then for four years he was my coach in Washington. 597 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,359 Speaker 3: And West had a real rough exterior if you look 598 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 3: at it, sort of like John Thompson, you know, kind 599 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: of intimidating if you didn't know him. Both of those guys, 600 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:08,640 Speaker 3: John and West couldn't be They couldn't be. And West 601 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 3: couldn't have been a sweeter person. Big John's one of 602 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 3: the sweetest guys you'll ever know. I mean seeing seeing 603 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 3: their human side, and seeing Wes's human side was one 604 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,280 Speaker 3: of the best things I've ever experienced. He experienced things 605 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 3: very different, very differently, growing up in this state, as like, 606 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 3: you know, the next great thing. I grew up in 607 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 3: the state with very different experiences than Wes had, growing 608 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 3: up exactly the same way as the next great thing, 609 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 3: and being able to share those things with him, talk 610 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 3: about you know, race and children. You know, his children 611 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 3: were high school age when mine were just being born. 612 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 3: Things about fatherhood, and he's just a great man. I'm 613 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 3: gonna miss him. 614 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 2: I didn't get to uh to know him obviously, uh 615 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 2: through basketball, watching him play, but everybody sort of like 616 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,399 Speaker 2: John Thompson interesting, he brought him up, just always good 617 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 2: words about Wes West and so also, uh, I did 618 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,919 Speaker 2: want to ask you about that before we go. I'll 619 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 2: let you uh, I'll let you go. You probably got 620 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 2: to do some uh some maybe some stretches before Saturday 621 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 2: before your walk, but you keep in pretty sure shape. 622 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 3: Actually I keep in shape. I'm back in the pool now. 623 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 3: It was hard there for a couple of months though, man, 624 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,240 Speaker 3: you know, the gyms were closed and all the pools 625 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 3: were closed. So I was having to walk my I was. 626 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 3: You know, you get used to your routine, and swimming 627 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 3: is my routine. So I'm back in the pool now. 628 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,760 Speaker 3: I feel much much better. 629 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 2: You're you like our producer here JD JD getting back 630 00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 2: in the pool. 631 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 3: There we go, There we go, JD. Get them laps in. 632 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 2: Baby, gotta do my butterfly. 633 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 3: There you go. I stay. I don't. I stay away 634 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,720 Speaker 3: from butterfly. I do back, breast and free. I don't 635 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 3: do butterfly. I swam as a kid competitively and was 636 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:14,440 Speaker 3: really good at the I am and fortunately butterfly was 637 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 3: not last and I was a great breath breast stroker. 638 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 3: The kids would catch up to me on the butterfly 639 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 3: and then I just have to smoke them in the breaststroke. 640 00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,319 Speaker 2: Well we'll let you go, Rex, I know. You know, 641 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 2: we can direct people to your Twitter computer. Is there 642 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 2: anything else people's attention to? 643 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 3: No, not really, just mainly pay attention to this, this 644 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 3: Black Lives matter stuff. You know, basketball is a tough 645 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 3: sport to have racist. It's tough to be a racist 646 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 3: or be racist and be associated with basketball at at 647 00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 3: an older level. I feel very fortunate. I'm very appreciative 648 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 3: of my NBA family, and my college family and all 649 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 3: the guys I grew up with, and just mainly I 650 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,239 Speaker 3: just want to be there again. We can only be 651 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 3: so woke, man, we don't. There's no way we can 652 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 3: get it. Be an ally for all of our friends 653 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 3: and brothers and sisters who we know who are not white. 654 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 3: Be an ally. That's it. Sorry and blocker charge Thursday 655 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 3: nights live ten o'clock. 656 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 2: Let's go adult swim dot com though? Is that what 657 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: it is? 658 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 3: A streaming on adult Swim adultswim dot com. Yeah, Adult Swim, 659 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 3: get the app, get it, get it on your TV, 660 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 3: and trust me, it's terrible thirty minutes, but it's better 661 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:43,400 Speaker 3: than thinking about the news. 662 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 2: Appreciate it, Rex. 663 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: Thanks guys, that's it for us. 664 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 2: We will be back Friday to make predictions about this 665 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 2: NBA bubble. We're just itching to talk about some mass 666 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,279 Speaker 2: the ball. Thank you. We'll be back on Friday. 667 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 3: You could stay every day and that you happy every minute. 668 00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 3: It's been so long that you're no one not wait for. 669 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 2: It's happened already. It's gonna be good me