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Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.
Speaker 2: Joshua P. Warren back with us. Paranormal investigator and host
Speaker 2: of The Strange Things on the Coast to Coast Day
Speaker 2: and Paranormal podcast Network. His work explores the universal relationship
Speaker 2: between matter and matter and energy. He's in demand as
Speaker 2: an expert on ghosts, UFOs, cryptids, psychic phenomena, time warps,
Speaker 2: and everything that presses forth the boundaries of normal reality.
Speaker 2: Josh Welcome, Happy holidays, Merry Christmas to you.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you, Georgia, Happy holidays and Merry Christmas to
Speaker 3: you as well. It's great to be able to share
Speaker 3: some time during this magical point in the year.
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to this chat with you tonight. But
Speaker 2: give me your thoughts on these drones that have been
Speaker 2: flying over New York and New Jersey. What do you
Speaker 2: think is going on?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think we are seeing Fanta Claus doing
Speaker 3: any test fights so honestly, because so many people claim
Speaker 3: that they look like a drone, and some of them
Speaker 3: do look kind of like some exotic, morphous weird technology
Speaker 3: that's sort of sprinkled out there as all that most
Speaker 3: of the fightings say they look like a big zone.
Speaker 3: And you know, there are some authorities. For example, I
Speaker 3: believe there was a colonel with the New Jersey State
Speaker 3: Police who said one of their helicopters flew right over
Speaker 3: top of one of these drones and it was a
Speaker 3: very mechanical, tangible thing that was about six feet across.
Speaker 3: And when you take all those into account, if we
Speaker 3: believe what our government is telling us, and they don't
Speaker 3: know what they are, and that may not be true.
Speaker 3: Obviously dald Trump hasn't situated that that may not be
Speaker 3: the case that they're conceiving us. But if what they
Speaker 3: are saying is true and they don't know what they are,
Speaker 3: that I would say that you consider that most of
Speaker 3: the drones we have are made in China. And also,
Speaker 3: well you see that the Chinese were willing to fly
Speaker 3: and the balloon across our con street to gather information
Speaker 3: that and they basically got away through that. It would
Speaker 3: make sense to me that they're the likely But this
Speaker 3: is some kind of Tinese technology and they're trying to
Speaker 3: gather some sensitive innovation take advantage of transitionive Pepper that's
Speaker 3: going on right now before Trump takes off the next month.
Speaker 2: Well, it's pretty dramatic stuff that you've been doing. Joshua
Speaker 2: pe Warren has been doing this for a long time
Speaker 2: for us. I don't know if you haven't heard his
Speaker 2: podcast yet of Strange Things, as Tom has been mentioning
Speaker 2: over the past couple of weeks. It's on the Paranormal
Speaker 2: Podcast Network and it is truly remarkable. It's a show
Speaker 2: that he does. Now we've got Sandra Champlain doing it
Speaker 2: as well. Plus we also have Captain Ron doing his
Speaker 2: on UFOs. But the Josh has got some great scary things.
Speaker 2: And what we did is we asked him. We said, Josh,
Speaker 2: tell me tell me this all right back now, what
Speaker 2: happened the magic of Santa Claus?
Speaker 3: Do we touch on a sensitive subject?
Speaker 2: Perhaps you never know? You never know, Josh, But we
Speaker 2: were talking about your podcast. How long you been doing
Speaker 2: that for us?
Speaker 3: Now? You know, I've been doing these Strange Things podcast
Speaker 3: on the Coast to Coast they have Paranormal Podcast Network
Speaker 3: for about I guess we're going on maybe four and
Speaker 3: a half years now. It's very hard to believe. It
Speaker 3: still kind of feels like a new project, and yet
Speaker 3: I just recently recorded the two hundred and twentieth episode,
Speaker 3: and that's quite impressive if you consider that. You know,
Speaker 3: each episode is an hour, including some commercials, not very many,
Speaker 3: and so there is plenty of content there for people
Speaker 3: who haven't heard the podcast that want to go back
Speaker 3: and start from the scratch and listen to the whole
Speaker 3: saga if you will.
Speaker 2: Well, let's have some paranormal fun talking about Christmas and
Speaker 2: Santa Claus. You've getting in a lot of calls from
Speaker 2: people who claim to be seen Santa Claus popping up
Speaker 2: all over the place. What's going on?
Speaker 3: You know, this goes back to a research project that
Speaker 3: I really started in two thousand and eight. You know,
Speaker 3: we're talking about going back about almost seventeen years ago.
Speaker 3: And I've always been interested in this concept of the
Speaker 3: so called pulpa. And what I mean is, for thousands
Speaker 3: of years, there has been a belief in certain cultures
Speaker 3: that reality is a flexible thing. And if someone with
Speaker 3: a very powerful mind focuses over and over on visualizing
Speaker 3: something like a particular being or a character that that
Speaker 3: might actually be externalized, the person could project that from
Speaker 3: his or her brain and create this being, and it's
Speaker 3: even more powerful a group of people do this collectively.
Speaker 3: It's the projection of a fault form. And the thought
Speaker 3: form is not just some kind of a mindless hologram,
Speaker 3: but we're also talking about it taking on some consciousness
Speaker 3: and interactivity of its own, literally giving birth to it
Speaker 3: directly from one's thoughts. And now I know that sounds
Speaker 3: pretty extraordinary, But a lot of people have believed that
Speaker 3: maybe some of these sightings we've had over the years,
Speaker 3: of these very famous powerful religious figures, like Mother Mary
Speaker 3: being seen at Fatima or in Portugal, or Lords or
Speaker 3: in France, or some of these areas where we have,
Speaker 3: of course massive sightings of angels or demons, maybe these
Speaker 3: are the products of Tulpa's well. One of the most
Speaker 3: powerful images that we all have had of a character
Speaker 3: for hundreds of years has been that of Santa Claus.
Speaker 3: And of course Santa.
Speaker 4: Claus is He's so real that in our minds that
Speaker 4: at a certain point in our lives often our parents
Speaker 4: tell us, they tell us he's real. And so I
Speaker 4: thought I would test out this Tulpa thing, and back
Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight, I started asking people if
Speaker 4: they'd ever.
Speaker 3: Seen Santa Claus. I sent out a newsletter. I have
Speaker 3: a free e newsletter that's on my website that goes
Speaker 3: out to thousands of people all over the world, free
Speaker 3: and spam free. So I hope everybody will sign up
Speaker 3: for that. And I said, look, this is not a joke.
Speaker 3: I'm wondering if you've ever seen Santa Claus. I'll keep
Speaker 3: your story private, but please just be honest with me
Speaker 3: and I'll take it seriously. And would you like to
Speaker 3: hear some of the feedback I got.
Speaker 2: I'd love to so.
Speaker 3: Here I have. For example, one of the first that
Speaker 3: came in was a woman from Miami who said nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty she not only saw Santa in her living room,
Speaker 3: but asked him where the toys came from, and he answered, quote,
Speaker 3: they are not made on Earth. I inspire the toymakers
Speaker 3: end quote, and then he disappeared. Then a woman from
Speaker 3: a Spencer, North Carolina said, in nineteen seventy two she
Speaker 3: clearly saw Santa and his sleigh pulled by a complete
Speaker 3: team of rain across the across the Christmas Eve sky
Speaker 3: at night there. And then in nineteen sixty three, a
Speaker 3: man from Dayton Tennessee swore to me that he and
Speaker 3: his brother saw sleigh tracks and possibly even some rainbeer
Speaker 3: tracks around their house after a visit from Santa. I mean,
Speaker 3: the list goes on and on. In fact, you know,
Speaker 3: I even wrote a TV proposal about this phenomenon one time,
Speaker 3: called I Saw Fanta Clause. So if any big TV
Speaker 3: producers want to call deact me, I think that would
Speaker 3: be a great special. But when these kinds of stories
Speaker 3: come in from adults and they're being serious and they're
Speaker 3: talking about having these types of encounters, it makes me
Speaker 3: wonder if this is indeed evidence that the Topa phenomenon
Speaker 3: is real.
Speaker 2: What do you think about Santa Claus personally.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I actually had to experiment with this myself,
Speaker 3: because you know, when I was a kid, I had
Speaker 3: some of those occasions where maybe I heard some jingle
Speaker 3: bells here and there in the night, and I wasn't
Speaker 3: sure what I was hearing. But I had a really
Speaker 3: bizarre experience that was very influential for me. Let's see,
Speaker 3: this was, well, my wife's family is from Texas, and
Speaker 3: so years ago, I think it was around twenty fifteen,
Speaker 3: my wife and I decided to go spend the Christmas
Speaker 3: season with her mother named Linda and her mother's husband
Speaker 3: named Dale, and they lived on this big ranch outside
Speaker 3: of San Antonio, Texas. And so because the ranch was
Speaker 3: so big, there were several buildings on the property, and
Speaker 3: we were there for over a month around Christmas time. Well,
Speaker 3: as you know, a lot of times I'm doing work
Speaker 3: late at night, and so there were times when I
Speaker 3: would go out. Maybe I'd get in the truck and
Speaker 3: drive across the property back of it into the woods
Speaker 3: where they had this sort of office and workshop that
Speaker 3: was off to the side, and then I could do
Speaker 3: interviews at night or whatever when normal people were sleeping.
Speaker 3: So I would spend time out there pretty regularly in
Speaker 3: the evening. So it was kind of creepy altogether. And
Speaker 3: during that stay, one point, Lauren and I we were
Speaker 3: walking through this shopping mall in San Antonio and we
Speaker 3: went through some department story and saw this very detailed,
Speaker 3: elaborate little Santa Claus doll, and I started thinking about
Speaker 3: this topa phenomenon and talk let me do an experiment.
Speaker 3: So I bought this doll. And then I brought that
Speaker 3: doll back when I was staying by myself in that
Speaker 3: little building on the back of the property at the ranch,
Speaker 3: and I would just put him at a prominent place,
Speaker 3: and every once in a while I would sit there
Speaker 3: for about maybe at least one or two minutes, and
Speaker 3: I would look at that doll and I would think
Speaker 3: of it as actually being Santa Claus, and I would
Speaker 3: talk to it as if it were Santa Claus, and
Speaker 3: I would tell it what I wanted for Christmas and
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: You would have.
Speaker 3: Thought I was Balker's probably if you did no otherwise,
Speaker 3: and you might have been right. But after about three
Speaker 3: occasions of me doing this, one evening, this was probably
Speaker 3: about eleven o'clock at night, my wife Lauren and I
Speaker 3: were standing in the kitchen with her mother, Linda, and
Speaker 3: obviously it was kind of late, so Dale had already
Speaker 3: gone to bed, and we were just sort of, you know,
Speaker 3: making small talk in the kitchen, and all of a
Speaker 3: sudden Dale comes walking out of his back bedroom and
Speaker 3: he said, is everybody okay? And we said yeah, why
Speaker 3: and he said, well, I just got a call from
Speaker 3: nine to one to one, and dispatch says that they
Speaker 3: received a call from the building out back on the
Speaker 3: property now of course, as far as we know, nobody
Speaker 3: had been in this building, and so he was just
Speaker 3: satisfied with the fact that we were okay. There was
Speaker 3: nobody else was supposed to be on the property. So
Speaker 3: he just told nine one one, I don't know, I
Speaker 3: can't explain it, and he went back to bed. So,
Speaker 3: of course, at this point I started thinking, oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: how could this happen. Did I succeed in creating some
Speaker 3: kind of a presence out there. Well, I couldn't help myself,
Speaker 3: even though it was dangerous. I didn't even arm myself.
Speaker 3: I got in that truck here about eleven thirty twelve
Speaker 3: o'clock at night by myself, and I drove up this
Speaker 3: long dirt road to that backside of the property. And
Speaker 3: when I got there, I didn't see anything that was disturbed.
Speaker 3: And I walked up and I crept in and I
Speaker 3: opened the door, and I didn't see anything out of place.
Speaker 3: I said, Santa, I know it's you. I know you're here,
Speaker 3: go ahead, do something else. I heard some kind of
Speaker 3: annoise in one of the rooms that actually I couldn't
Speaker 3: tell what it was. It almost sounded like an object falling.
Speaker 3: So at that point I got a little bit of
Speaker 3: frightened because I thought maybe there was actually somebody who'd
Speaker 3: broken into that building. So I waited a little bit
Speaker 3: until I didn't hear anything else that I crept back
Speaker 3: there and I shined my light and all I saw
Speaker 3: was couple of books that had fallen over, and they
Speaker 3: were very close to the doll. So after that, I
Speaker 3: went back and I said, this is kind of crazy,
Speaker 3: because I've been doing these experiments to create this tulpa
Speaker 3: and we get this call from the room with a
Speaker 3: building that nobody can explain. Well, the rest of the
Speaker 3: time we were there, nothing happened. But since then, every
Speaker 3: year around Christmas time, the light on that building blinks
Speaker 3: on and off at various weird times only around Christmas,
Speaker 3: and sometimes they actually hear what sounds like the voice
Speaker 3: of a man, deep voice, often laughing and shattering. And
Speaker 3: of course when they go there, no one is around.
Speaker 3: So I think, George, that may have been the closest
Speaker 3: I've ever come to creating a real Santa Claus tulpa.
Speaker 2: Do you think Santa Claus is mystical and has the
Speaker 2: ability to transform or is something physical?
Speaker 3: Well, you know that's the thing about these tulpas they
Speaker 3: may be. They it might be tempting to think of
Speaker 3: them as a non physical thing, because we think of
Speaker 3: thoughts as often being these non physical, amorphous and transient
Speaker 3: types of things. But actually there's no real distinctive difference
Speaker 3: between matter and energy, between physical matter and energy, it's
Speaker 3: only a matter of the rate at which it's vibrating.
Speaker 3: So in other words, I think that some of these
Speaker 3: things that we might consider fantasmal actually do have a
Speaker 3: physical component as well, And therefore you can't just say, again,
Speaker 3: these are like some kind of a holographic projection that
Speaker 3: they don't have a mind. When they manifest, they're very,
Speaker 3: very real, And you know what. The thing that's kind
Speaker 3: of spooky is that it's one thing to talk about
Speaker 3: Santa Claus, but there is also a flip side of this,
Speaker 3: and I'm talking about the fact that when I was
Speaker 3: asking people if they had ever seen some some kind
Speaker 3: of a stand or a reindeer oriented vision like that,
Speaker 3: sometimes they would say, well, no, But on Christmas Eve
Speaker 3: I saw something that was very scary and dark. For example,
Speaker 3: there was a man in New York who said in
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy that he got up in the middle of
Speaker 3: the night, he heard something in the living room. He
Speaker 3: thought that he was going to catch mom and dad
Speaker 3: leaving some presents. Instead, he walked down and was horrified
Speaker 3: to find being standing there that looked, he said, very
Speaker 3: much like the ghost of Christmas Yet to come, you know,
Speaker 3: the creepy one from Charles Dickens to Christmas Carol. Except
Speaker 3: this thing had horns, and that instantly reminded me of
Speaker 3: the anti Santa Claus, which, of course is the Crumpuss,
Speaker 3: one of the scariest things out there.
Speaker 2: Why would they develop the crumpus to scare the living
Speaker 2: daylights out of those kids in those days?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, crumpus has become quite popular. A few
Speaker 3: decades ago, most people in our country didn't even really
Speaker 3: know much about crumpus. The crumpus has been around almost
Speaker 3: as long as Santa Claus, some say even longer, and
Speaker 3: in German crumpus means claw, and in Central and Eastern
Speaker 3: Europe and these sort of alpine regions and their folklore,
Speaker 3: the crumpus is this tall, shaggy horned, bipedal sort of beasts,
Speaker 3: anthropomorphic with long gripping fangs and wild, fiery, frightening eyes,
Speaker 3: and the idea is that you know, when your kids
Speaker 3: are good, Santa Claus comes in and he gives them
Speaker 3: gifts and treats, but if they're bad, well then the
Speaker 3: Crumpus will visit instead. He comes in dragging chains and
Speaker 3: he will work his way into the town and essentially
Speaker 3: he will find the children. In some cases he'll beat
Speaker 3: up the parents and then drag the children off to
Speaker 3: his cave where he may even eat them. So it's
Speaker 3: a pretty dramatic punishment. And he runs around often with
Speaker 3: different types of whips and rods. And in fact, I
Speaker 3: have not been in certain areas of Europe, especially around Germany,
Speaker 3: during Christmas time, but I have heard it be very
Speaker 3: intimidating in some of these little towns because they have
Speaker 3: some of these traditional parades that they call the Crumpus
Speaker 3: Loss or Crumpus Run, and there are young men who'll
Speaker 3: just dress up as Crumpus and they will storm these
Speaker 3: little towns and villages, and I'm sure they've had quite
Speaker 3: a bit of ale to drink, and they will just
Speaker 3: go through sort of terrorizing the town, and a lot
Speaker 3: of the residents will will leave town as a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, on these nights when when the Crumpus run
Speaker 3: as popular, and so I suppose you can't have one
Speaker 3: without the other. It's one of those things that you know,
Speaker 3: if you've got the good guy who's going to give
Speaker 3: you the carrot, well the Crumpus is there to give
Speaker 3: you the stick. And I must say that you know
Speaker 3: whether or not we can consider these real spiritual entities
Speaker 3: that are coming here from some other dimension, at very least,
Speaker 3: you know, they're both certainly popular enough. They've been around
Speaker 3: long enough that I think it's easy to understand why
Speaker 3: these could be externalized as some kinds of holiday tulpus.
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard stories of Crumpus hurting people?
Speaker 3: You know, nothing that I've verified now. Of course, if
Speaker 3: you look back historically, there are all kinds of legends
Speaker 3: about Crumpus literally kidnapping children, children disappearing around Christmas time.
Speaker 3: But you know, as far as anything that has been
Speaker 3: reported directly to me, only they've been very frightened. Now.
Speaker 3: Of course, the exception of that would be there was
Speaker 3: one man who also said that he hadn't experienced It
Speaker 3: wasn't on Christmas Eve, but it was close to Christmas,
Speaker 3: and this was somewhere in Oregon, and he said that
Speaker 3: he woke up at night and that there was a dark,
Speaker 3: beastly form that was clawing him and he was screaming.
Speaker 3: Of course he at this time he was a teenager,
Speaker 3: but he hit him to the sheet and then finally
Speaker 3: he ran away and the whole household woke up and
Speaker 3: they said, you know, you're just having a bad dream.
Speaker 3: And then of course he looks down and he has
Speaker 3: claw marks all over him. So we do have these
Speaker 3: kinds of stories about these encounters with dark entities around
Speaker 3: Christmas time. And you know, it makes me wonder if
Speaker 3: you know, you hate to bring this up, but you know,
Speaker 3: as much joy as there is around Christmas time, there
Speaker 3: are a lot of people who claim that it makes
Speaker 3: them very depressed. You know, we hear story it's about
Speaker 3: people feeling uh, you know, more suicidal, and I don't
Speaker 3: I don't have the statistics about that, but uh, there
Speaker 3: is unfortunately a dark component that comes with this, and
Speaker 3: maybe that you know, the cruppers has something to do
Speaker 3: with it.
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