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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 1: Wednesday edition of the program. We have a ton to

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Speaker 1: discuss with you big primary night in Georgia, Alabama, Texas

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Speaker 1: and beyond Arkansas as well. We will discuss what those

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Speaker 1: impacts were. We got a bunch of great guests for

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Speaker 1: you all headed this direction. We will discuss all of that.

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Speaker 1: But we began with the story that everybody is talking

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Speaker 1: about a shaken country in many ways, as a mentally

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Speaker 1: ill eighteen year old took the life of nineteen kids.

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Speaker 1: Two adults also shot his grandmother, and everyone is reacting

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Speaker 1: to what happened in uv all day, Texas, and we

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Speaker 1: certainly want to extend As a parent, I walked my

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Speaker 1: them up as they have a half day for the

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Speaker 1: summer here in the Nashville area, and so I walk

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Speaker 1: Many days I am picking them up in the afternoon

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Speaker 1: as well. So like all of the parents and grandparents

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Speaker 1: I am filled Buck with questions about this on so

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Speaker 1: many different levels. And my first reaction to all of

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Speaker 1: these stories is after Columbine and after Sandy Hook, many

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Speaker 1: different schools have put in policies that make it hard

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Speaker 1: to get into a school if someone is armed and

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Speaker 1: is trying to do so. And I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 1: At my kids elementary school, there is an armed police

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Speaker 1: officer there. And by the way, I personally believe that

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Speaker 1: there should be an armed police officer at virtually every

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Speaker 1: you made disagree. I also, in order to get into

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Speaker 1: our building, our elementary school, Buck, you have to show

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Speaker 1: your driver's license and you have to be buzzed in

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Speaker 1: through locked doors, and then there is once you are through,

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Speaker 1: there another door where you have to be buzzed in,

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Speaker 1: and then you also have to be buzzed in from

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Speaker 1: the office. Everybody has to come in through the main

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Speaker 1: that who you are and why you're coming in. If

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Speaker 1: They know me. I've had three kids that go to

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Speaker 1: to be able to be let into the building. My

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Speaker 1: discussing it, is I want to know how this guy

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Speaker 1: ended up inside of this school, What protocols were in

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Speaker 1: place that would have kept that from happening, did they

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Speaker 1: break down? How did he make his way into the

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Speaker 1: building to be able to commit these murders? Also, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I want to know was there arm security. We know,

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Speaker 1: at least based on the AP report, that there was

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Speaker 1: a border security guard who basically went in and we

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Speaker 1: don't know his name yet and killed this man and

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Speaker 1: may have saved many lives, but was there other security there.

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Speaker 1: I want to know all the facts before I start

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Speaker 1: demanding action, and we still know a small fraction, it

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Speaker 1: seems to me, of the overall facts. And you mentioned that,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's important, especially in the aftermath of

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Speaker 1: these situations, when the whole country is reeling with grief,

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Speaker 1: to point out that there was there was a hero

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Speaker 1: or former veterans of the United States Military, you know,

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Speaker 1: this case, a hero who stepped up. I'd be willing

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Speaker 1: So there was a hero who reacted. I mean in

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Speaker 1: the aftermath of this tragedy. Obviously, the whole country's heartbroken

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Speaker 1: right now, and it's one of these moments where you

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Speaker 1: last night about this issue, right before Biden's speech, which

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Speaker 1: and division. All they do play is hardening soft targets

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Speaker 1: having that discussion is absolutely called for and worthwhile. I

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Speaker 1: me that the Democrat impulse, and I don't mean from

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about members of Congress is to turn around

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Speaker 1: It's actually counter solving the situation. It's actually unhelpful, and

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Speaker 1: you know, Ted Cruz is personally responsible for this. People

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Speaker 1: immediate incidents like these occur. My natural reaction is, again,

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Speaker 1: as a parent, I think this is awful. I cannot imagine,

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Speaker 1: that I don't I don't think it's a I don't

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Speaker 1: People with mental illness respond to the actions of other

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Speaker 1: people with mental illnesses who they in some way find

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Speaker 1: but I think larger media, because so many people listen

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Speaker 1: preconceptions be, what might their internal biases be. This is

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Speaker 1: obviously a huge part of any jury selection, and of

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Speaker 1: all places to have a trial forum shopping wise, for

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Speaker 1: I can't really think of one better than Washington, DC,

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Speaker 1: you're mentioning that Sussman conviction may entail purpose for Durham,

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Speaker 1: how would you analyze the people who are making the

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Speaker 1: decision here and how much does that factor in in

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Speaker 1: terms of guilt or innocence? Yeah, I think you're really

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Speaker 1: number of times that Durham may represent the government, but

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Speaker 1: this is not a home gamement this trial, and I

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Speaker 1: Obama appointee. Just so people understand what I mean when

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Speaker 1: I say he set ties to oa Clinton world. When

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Speaker 1: Clinton White House to become the White House counsel to

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton and Cooper. The judge went to the Justice

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Speaker 1: Department to work for Amy Girella, who was the Deputy

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Speaker 1: Attorney General in the Justice Department. So his Clinton ties

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Speaker 1: of suggestions that he shouldn't be sitting on this case

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Speaker 1: because he might be too conflicted. He doesn't think he was,

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Speaker 1: and I think his looseness in terms of analyzing conflicts

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Speaker 1: So he seemed to think that as long as he

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Speaker 1: somehow talismanically magically removed the political overtones from the case,

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Speaker 1: which of course it doesn't. If it wasn't for Clinton

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Speaker 1: the Trump, that wouldn't be any case. But nevertheless, because

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Speaker 1: And we have one juror who disclosed in the middle

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Speaker 1: crew team together. DC is a small town, by the way,

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Speaker 1: For people out there who are like, that's crazy, it's

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Speaker 1: really not a big population. Nope, Andy, Before I let

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Speaker 1: you go, could I just ask you, obviously the biggest,

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Speaker 1: this horrific shooting that occurred in eval day. You were

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Speaker 1: a federal prosecutor, as we said, for over twenty years.

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Speaker 1: You put away mob hitmen, terrorists, You prosecuted the First

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Speaker 1: World Trade Center bombing bombers. Is there anything that you

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Speaker 1: think you know from from a legal perspective, either in

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Speaker 1: the in the toolkit of the legislature or as just prosecutors.

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Speaker 1: From a legal perspective, is there something that could be

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Speaker 1: done to try to stop these kinds of mass murdering

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Speaker 1: psychopaths before they could engage in I just wanted to

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Speaker 1: pose that to you. I mean, you're a true expert.

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Speaker 1: You're a guy who's really been there and been on

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Speaker 1: You know, no constitutional right is absolute right, that any writing,

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Speaker 1: people if you could make a showing that they were

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Speaker 1: mentally disturbed in some way, or you know, we could

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Speaker 1: don't think even if I could come up with something

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Speaker 1: politically not to use these processes punitively because every place

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Speaker 1: we turn, they're using like they're weaponizing the Justice Department.

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Speaker 1: So if you're a numbskull and you're wandering around the

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Speaker 1: place where you shouldn't be. They'll hould you back two

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Speaker 1: thousand miles from New Mexico and make you stand in

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Speaker 1: justices lawn, you know, on their property, protesting for abortion rights,

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Speaker 1: they said, well, as lawless, they're being peaceful, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: make any difference. So they're so political the way that

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Speaker 1: they use the processes that we give them. I have

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Speaker 1: we appreciate it. We know how busy you are. That's

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Speaker 1: of years. Now the rhetoric is proving faults right before

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Speaker 1: achieving just what the American people want. American people want

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Speaker 1: This whole episode proves exactly well our democracy still needs

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Speaker 1: it's cooling saucer. Even Mitch McConnell gets it. When it

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Speaker 1: Clay is back with us. So look at this. I

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Speaker 1: thought you threw the smoke bomb. You're back already, you

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Speaker 1: know you're The kids got let out of school buck early.

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Speaker 1: It's the final day of school for my kids. And

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Speaker 1: in their their department and for the next couple of months,

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Speaker 1: be honest here. So here's where we are in the

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Speaker 1: Who won, who lost, and what happens now and what

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Speaker 1: does this tell us about the future and the mid

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Speaker 1: and the midterm elections specifically, So kemp one, the sitting governor,

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Speaker 1: defeated a primary challenge and won by a lot. I

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Speaker 1: think it was like a seventy give or take seventy

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Speaker 1: twenty situation. Herschel Walker cruised to you know, high stepping

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Speaker 1: into the end zone an analogy. Thank you, See I

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Speaker 1: learned the stiff arm the competition. Yes, so herschel Walker

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Speaker 1: is clearly gonna be the is the GOP nominee up

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing how that one shakes out.

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Speaker 1: I think herschel is gonna obviously, I'm hoping herschel wins

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Speaker 1: that one. Do you have a particular take, No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I do think he's gonna win. But Buck, you can

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Speaker 1: gamble on politics, you know, I like to gamble on sport,

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Speaker 1: but you can gamble on politics outside of the United States.

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Speaker 1: Not technically legal in the United States. But Herschel is

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Speaker 1: minus two seventy five, which is a pretty substantial favorite

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Speaker 1: to beat Warnock, and Kemp is minus four hundred to

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Speaker 1: beat Stacy Abrahams. That means you'd have to bet, you know,

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Speaker 1: four hundred dollars to win one hundred dollars. He's a

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Speaker 1: prohibitive favorite on both sides there. I just think that's

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Speaker 1: interesting for people who are actually putting their money down

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Speaker 1: on what they anticipate happening in Georgia. You know, Clay

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Speaker 1: I mentioned this before. I just wanted to give the

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Speaker 1: a political analyst and a friend of the show. He

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Speaker 1: put this out. Georgia GOP primary turnout two thousand and six,

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Speaker 1: four hundred, nineteen thousand, two thousand and ten, six hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty thousand, twenty fourteen, five hundred ninety six twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: six hundred eight thousand, twenty twenty two, one point one million.

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Speaker 1: All right, so people are fired up in Georgia. GEOP

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Speaker 1: voters are fired up in Georgia. Um Raffensburger one the

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Speaker 1: They even opened primary in Georgia. So there was some

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Speaker 1: percentage of formerly registered Democrats who voted for Rappensburger was

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Speaker 1: pretty substantial from what I saw. I think it was

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Speaker 1: seven percent of his vote came from formerly registered Democrats.

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Speaker 1: For whatever that means. Am I missing any big ones

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Speaker 1: in Joy? So we got the secretary. Oh margin, there was,

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Speaker 1: of course, Marjorie Taylor Green. Yeah, Marjorie Taylor Green. She

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Speaker 1: had her on the show to talk about the lawsuit,

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Speaker 1: which was which was absurd and and all that. But

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Speaker 1: clay here, here's my my biggest takeaway from just last night.

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Speaker 1: I want to hear what yours is. We haven't, Clayton,

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Speaker 1: I haven't even been able to chat about this one.

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Speaker 1: We've been talking about the other things going on. I

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Speaker 1: think that this is an indicator of people are really

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Speaker 1: unhappy with Biden and Republicans are. I think they're the

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Speaker 1: most fired up in my adult lifetime to cast votes

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Speaker 1: in favor of candidates who will stand with freedom, the

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Speaker 1: Constitution and against the insanity. I think that that's it's

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Speaker 1: not a done deal yet. I think that's what Georgia

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Speaker 1: is showing us right now. I think it's well said.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, total primary turnout up sixty three percent,

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Speaker 1: over twenty eighteen. It almost passed the two twenty primaries,

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Speaker 1: which were obviously a presidential election year when everybody was

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Speaker 1: super fired up to get their votes in to pick

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Speaker 1: a Democrat nominee back in twenty twenty. So we've got

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Speaker 1: at OutKick buck official request for comment into Major League

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Speaker 1: Baseball because they tried to brand this as Jim Crow

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Speaker 1: two point zero. I think Major League Baseball should have

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Speaker 1: to apologize to the state of Georgia. I think there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of corporations. Certainly Joe Biden's not going

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Speaker 1: to do it, but we're going to hold them accountable

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Speaker 1: at out kick because I'm still outraged over the decision

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Speaker 1: to pull the All Star Game out of Atlanta based

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Speaker 1: on a lie. What is we now know a lie?

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Speaker 1: I had two big takeaways from this one Buck, to

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Speaker 1: your point, Stacy Abrams and Joe Biden are a bigger

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Speaker 1: story now than Donald Trump is. So if you look

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Speaker 1: at the results with Brian Kemp, and you look at

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Speaker 1: the results in that race where he won by seventy

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Speaker 1: to twenty percent something like that, people in Georgia overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: are saying we want Stacy Abrams beaten, and we think

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Speaker 1: Brian Kemp has the best option to do it. So

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Speaker 1: this is now a referendum. The midterms, as they should be,

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Speaker 1: are not a referendum on twenty twenty. They are a

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Speaker 1: referendum on what's going on with Joe Biden and Stacy

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Speaker 1: Abrams as a candidate. Second takeaway, Buck, I think Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump has to be very careful in understanding that if

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Speaker 1: he is going to run in twenty twenty four, it

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Speaker 1: has to be a forward looking campaign from his perspective,

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Speaker 1: not a backwards one. Let me explain what I mean

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Speaker 1: by that. The voters are telling us quite clearly that

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Speaker 1: they are unhappy with Joe Biden. If Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: running in twenty twenty four, the only backwards look he

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Speaker 1: needs to be giving is towards Joe Biden and talking

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Speaker 1: about what a bad job he's going to do. I'll

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Speaker 1: use a sports analogy. You can't relitigate twenty twenty as

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Speaker 1: a part of the twenty twenty four campaign. You, especially

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Speaker 1: if you get to run against Joe Biden again, can

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Speaker 1: argue that people made the wrong choice and here's why

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Speaker 1: they need to pick you going forward. My concern is

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Speaker 1: Trump is going to try to drag everybody back into

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. We don't need to relitigate twenty twenty. I

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00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: think the Republicans got screwed. I think Donald Trump got screwed.

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Speaker 1: I think Democrats use COVID to rig the election. I

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Speaker 1: think big tech rigged the election. I think all that happened.

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Speaker 1: I'll use the sports analogy here, Buck, because george is

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Speaker 1: a big sports state and they're coming off a Braves

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Speaker 1: championship and to Georgia Bulldogs championship. Sometimes you lose a

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Speaker 1: game because there's a bad call made or because the

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Speaker 1: rules are designed incorrectly, you can't continue to talk about

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Speaker 1: the game that you're you've lost. You have to talk

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Speaker 1: about find a way to win going forward. And to me,

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Speaker 1: what Georgia voters we're saying is we're way more concerned

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Speaker 1: about the future now than we are about relitigating the past.

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Speaker 1: And I think if Trump is smart, he will take

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Speaker 1: a lesson from this and start to focus on the

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Speaker 1: things that he would bring if he runs in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four for the four years more he'd be president,

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Speaker 1: instead of arguing about twenty twenty. I think that's my

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Speaker 1: big take away. I would I would, I would add

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Speaker 1: just two things to it. One is the the the

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Speaker 1: mentality should be we have to win by so much

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Speaker 1: that they're cheating doesn't matter. Yes, that's that I want

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Speaker 1: to I want to hear Trump is running again. I

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Speaker 1: think he is, or whatever the case may be, I

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Speaker 1: wanted the president. We're gonna win by so much that

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Speaker 1: the cheating isn't gonna matter. Comma, also, we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: everything we can before the votes are cast to make

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Speaker 1: sure to your point, that they aren't pulling nonsense and shenanigans,

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Speaker 1: which is what they did during the COVID year. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania is a perfect example of this. Pennsylvania state constitution

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Speaker 1: explicitly did not allow some of the voting changes that

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Speaker 1: were made to expand. I mean, it's as clear as day.

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Speaker 1: And what I was having to say to people at

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Speaker 1: the time after that election, after the twenty twenty election

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Speaker 1: was Guys, I hear you. You're right, We're right, there's

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Speaker 1: a problem in Pennsylvania with this. No judge is going

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Speaker 1: to say, well, that shouldn't have been the rules that

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Speaker 1: people voted under. Therefore, I'm going to throw out these votes. Now.

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Speaker 1: That can make people very angry, and I get it,

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Speaker 1: but that was the reality. No judge was going to say, well,

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Speaker 1: the you know, the the hundred thousand votes or the

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand votes or whatever it is that came in

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Speaker 1: later than what would have been allowed with the rule change,

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Speaker 1: and we got basically Trump campaign got caught flat footed

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Speaker 1: on the preemptive action against the way. Look the way

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Speaker 1: the Democrats want to cheat because look, my and my

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Speaker 1: attitude is they're always cheats. A question how much? So?

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Speaker 1: I just I think you're one hundred percent, right, Buck.

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Speaker 1: We gotta win Wisconsin, we gotta win Pennsylvania, we gotta

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Speaker 1: win Michigan, Minnesota, Georgia, New Mexico. I think is in

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Speaker 1: play with Minnesota and New Mexico. I think I think

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Speaker 1: I think Nevada is going to be in play if

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Speaker 1: I can ever learn how to pronounce the state name correct,

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Speaker 1: that the people in the state are happy. And I

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Speaker 1: think if you Arizona, certainly, Georgia, all of those states, Right,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to win by a pin prick. And

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Speaker 1: let's be honest. Trump won in twenty twenty, twenty sixteen

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Speaker 1: by a small margin. Right, you change one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: votes Hillary's elected, You change you know, forty thousand votes

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. We flip the election both ways, Trump

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Speaker 1: or whoever the nominee is in twenty twenty four, because

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Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be a robust primary debate about

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Speaker 1: who the best Republican standard bearer is. It needs to

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Speaker 1: be a campaign that's not trying to win in the margins.

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Speaker 1: It needs to be a campaign that kicks ass. I

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Speaker 1: think I think you could have with the right GOP candidate,

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00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: because you and I both know there's there's not going

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00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: to be some great turnaround effort from its bid administration,

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Speaker 1: even as they know it's a disaster. This is you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a mess. It's going to go down in history.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the least effective worst presidencies in living memory,

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Speaker 1: certainly maybe going back, you know, one hundred years. And

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Speaker 1: I look, I think the GOP right now, right now,

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Speaker 1: a lot of things can change. Right now is on

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Speaker 1: track to get more than half of the Latino vote, yeah,

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Speaker 1: which would be fantastic and it would destroy the Democrat

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Speaker 1: Party as it exists today if that happened. So we'll

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Speaker 1: have to see. We'll continue to push for this folks,

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Speaker 1: by Kelly Ann. Conway has a new bestselling book out.

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Speaker 1: Here's the deal. Look forward to checking it out. Kelly An.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about the book here in a sect. But

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you have seen that Beto O'Rourke just confronted

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Speaker 1: the governor of Texas if you haven't seen that just

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Speaker 1: governor of Texas, the school shooting, the latest details, everything else.

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Speaker 1: You're in communications. How in the world is Beto making

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Speaker 1: the decision that he should storm a press conference giving

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Speaker 1: us the latest details on a shooting that's less than

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours to make that story about himself. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're in comms. What's your reaction to a decision like that?

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Speaker 1: Clay and Bucks, thanks for having me today. What a

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Speaker 1: tragedy in Uvalde, Texas. Of course we're praying for those

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Speaker 1: Los Angels. Bedore Work is a complete clown and he's

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Speaker 1: everything that's wrong with our current political system and has

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Speaker 1: been for the better part of a decade. Here's a

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Speaker 1: guy who stood up today, knew the cameras were rolling,

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Speaker 1: knew it was a live event, and must have forgotten

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Speaker 1: the governor and other officials, which doesn't include Betoa Work

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Speaker 1: since he lost the Senate and left the Congress briefing

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Speaker 1: people on the facts of what's happening, and they're very

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Speaker 1: tough to hear, and instead he goes and gets what

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Speaker 1: all politicians want fellows earned media. Well, the way to

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Speaker 1: get earned edia is to not insinuate yourself into a

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Speaker 1: factual press coverence and the grief that so many families feel.

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Speaker 1: And I'm very happy that the mayor of the town

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Speaker 1: went after him. I'm very happy that that mister McLaughlin,

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Speaker 1: the mayor called him a quote sixth son of a

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Speaker 1: bitch to his face. He deserved that, but he also

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Speaker 1: probably got what he wanted, which was his fifteen seconds

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Speaker 1: of same all I really told him, He didn't tell

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Speaker 1: let me just quickly review with you bad or work.

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Speaker 1: Here's a guy who ran for senate in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: He ran, he ran for senate or successfully in eighteen,

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Speaker 1: he ran for president United States and nineteen, and he's

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Speaker 1: running for governor in twenty two. His kids are fifteen, thirteen,

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Speaker 1: and eleven. I guess he has his wife raising them

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Speaker 1: because he's a professional politician and he's not even good

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Speaker 1: at it. He's a recit of his political candidate. Second point,

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Speaker 1: we all had to we all had to watch his

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Speaker 1: root canal. We all had to see him on a

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Speaker 1: skateboard frying of a Wiegenberg or whatever he was doing

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Speaker 1: was so disgusting and guess who rejected it? De or

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Speaker 1: kanic voters. I write in my book that people like

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris, Cory Book or Beta or Work, you know

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Speaker 1: what they all have in common. They got zero, zero

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Speaker 1: electoral votes in the Democratic presidential primary in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Beta or Work and Kamala Harris actually dropped out in

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Speaker 1: the fall of twenty nineteen before the calendar even char

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Speaker 1: into twenty twenty, but zero electoral votes. Yet Vanity Fair

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Speaker 1: put him on the cover I called the Vanity Project.

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Speaker 1: He knew the addition of Vanity Fair that featured Beta

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Speaker 1: or Work. I was born to run, born to do this.

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Speaker 1: He got zero electoral votes from the Democrats. Why did

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Speaker 1: the world Should the rest of us get stuck with him?

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Speaker 1: But I think he is. He is doing exactly what

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Speaker 1: I said yesterday on the five to to beg everybody

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Speaker 1: not to do, which is to politicize this tragedy. But

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Speaker 1: he can't help himself, and I think he is the

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Speaker 1: worst example of it. You know, Kelly add it's Buck

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Speaker 1: And he's not the only one who I think stepped

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Speaker 1: out of line and politicized it. It came from the

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Speaker 1: very top as well. You know Biden last night in

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Speaker 1: the speech, he had an opportunity to bring everybody together,

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Speaker 1: but instead he called out the gun lobby and then

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Speaker 1: said this. I am sick and tired of it. We

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Speaker 1: have to act and don't tell me we can't have

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Speaker 1: an impact on this carnage. I spent my career as

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Speaker 1: a senator, as a Vice president working and past common

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Speaker 1: sense gun laws. We can won't prevent every tragedy, but

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Speaker 1: we know they were. Can I just ask you, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: and why do they have to keep this common sense

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Speaker 1: gun law talking point going? Why doesn't Biden or whomever

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Speaker 1: just say what it is they think that needs to

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Speaker 1: be done. Oh, because then we would hold him to account.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy with a tremendous authority and no accountability.

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Speaker 1: The public sees that. Obviously, his poll numbers are all

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Speaker 1: the way down a round town. He had a tremendous

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Speaker 1: opportunity to be healer in chief, to show what he

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Speaker 1: had promised to do on inauguration Day a year and

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Speaker 1: a half ago, gentlemen, which is unify the country, be bipartisan,

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Speaker 1: the most bipartisan his party has been in last year

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Speaker 1: and a half was getting Republican senators to impeach Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: That is the most bipartisan action they've done. I write

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Speaker 1: about in my new book, Here's a Deal. Let me

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Speaker 1: tell you something about Joe Biden. The way he speaks,

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Speaker 1: including last night, about this tragedy in Valday, Texas, sounds

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Speaker 1: like somebody who has not been in Washington, DC, in

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Speaker 1: positions of power in elective office that we paid for

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Speaker 1: for fifty years. He sounds like a political outsider. He

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Speaker 1: sounds like someone who comes to town and says, you

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Speaker 1: know what, everybody has failed in this town to get

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Speaker 1: this done. I'm coming in as a political outsider. He

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Speaker 1: is a lockness monster of the swamp. We all know that.

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Speaker 1: And I think the only only value that we would

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Speaker 1: have in having after back to back Obama and Trump

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Speaker 1: as presidents, people are a little bit more political outsider

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Speaker 1: obviously the only value we would have. He fails at

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Speaker 1: it completely, which is working across the aisle, building consensus

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Speaker 1: and at moments like last night, being non political, trying

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Speaker 1: to say, hey, this is why we passed this law

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Speaker 1: or that law. But he sounds like someone who, by

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Speaker 1: the way, he was a vice president when the tragedy

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Speaker 1: is Sandy Hook and new Town happened. I remember President

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Speaker 1: Obama saying he was never so angry in his life.

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Speaker 1: You know, he was brought to tears. But this guy

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Speaker 1: sounds like somebody who hasn't been in a position of control.

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Speaker 1: He's done absolutely nothing but talk for fifty years, and

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Speaker 1: we paid for it, and we're paying the price today.

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Speaker 1: I was very disappointed. I don't want anybody stepping on

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Speaker 1: the bodies of these lost angels, these fallen angels, for

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Speaker 1: political purposes. But people can't help themselves. Look how react

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Speaker 1: of the Democratic Party is right now? They have an old,

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Speaker 1: angry white guy as a leader of the party. They

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Speaker 1: have a vice president who can't put a sentence together,

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Speaker 1: lasted the most inopportune times. Please keep her far away

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Speaker 1: from this tragedy, please, And so what do they do?

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Speaker 1: They react to everything. There's a leak at the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Now abortions the biggest issue going into this fall. There's

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Speaker 1: a school shooting, God forbid, murdered baby babies, murders, single

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Speaker 1: digit ages, murders. And now he's he's going to spend

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Speaker 1: the rest of the however long, doing this. He and

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Speaker 1: the Democrats and Senate. So it's very disappointing, but it's predictable,

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Speaker 1: and I fear that for people like Joe Biden, politics

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Speaker 1: comes first. It is his native tongue, it is his

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Speaker 1: natural habitat, it's his comfortable place, and the country doesn't

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Speaker 1: need it. Kelly and the books, here's the deal. We

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Speaker 1: had their results come out last night in Georgia, Alabama

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Speaker 1: and also in Arkansas, as well as the supplementary race

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Speaker 1: to the political arena. Do you think we're going to

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Speaker 1: see a rematch? You know Donald Trump really well, you

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Speaker 1: know Joe Biden. Based on the campaign that just happened.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's going to be Trump versus Biden

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, a little over two years from now.

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Speaker 1: It could be. And you have more and more voters

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Speaker 1: saying that they wouldn't mind that for a very simple reason.

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Speaker 1: They can compare the apples to oranges. You know, Buck

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Speaker 1: in Clay. For years, people would say, we're Americans, were hopeful,

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Speaker 1: we're optimistic, you can always get better. Look at all

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Speaker 1: the things we've overcome in this country. But now people

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Speaker 1: are actually saying something a little bit differently. They're saying

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Speaker 1: not that it will be better, but that it was

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Speaker 1: better not that long ago, and they want to get

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Speaker 1: back to that. And of course the rematch would be

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Speaker 1: exactly that. I think Trump lost in large part. Biden

948
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Speaker 1: became president in large part because he wasn't Trump. I

949
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Speaker 1: think Trump can get in there and have the you know,

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Speaker 1: the double messaging of I'm not Biden. He's been a disaster.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm the guy who delivered all

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Speaker 1: of these, all of these wonderful accomplishments that you all

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Speaker 1: enjoy that are gone now, that have been unraveled, not

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Speaker 1: really through ideology, but through spite, energy and dependence. Putin

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Speaker 1: not in Ukraine, it ran not salivating over Israel as

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Speaker 1: a nuclear capable country, trade deals that were recalibrated, manufacturing

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Speaker 1: base obviously, inflation and immigration more in control, border security.

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Speaker 1: People feel like life is increasingly insecure and unaffordable, rising

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Speaker 1: so much pain and hurt, and that pain and hurt

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Speaker 1: will motivate an electorate to do something differently. So I

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Speaker 1: am struck by pretty much all of the pretty much

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Speaker 1: all of the candidate step one or two. So far

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Speaker 1: in these Republican primaries, would we've had record turnout, record

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm across the boards. They've all run as America First candidates.

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Speaker 1: They're all running on the agenda really, with the exception

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Speaker 1: of Matt blin Ohio maybe one other. So they're all

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Speaker 1: running on these attributes and these accomplishments that are a

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Speaker 1: limited government and free market. And I predict that you know,

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Speaker 1: President Trump of course would be the front runner if

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Speaker 1: he runs. Lots of people won't run if he does,

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Speaker 1: and then if he decides not to run, I think

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Speaker 1: whoever it is, needs to pick up that America First mantel.

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Speaker 1: And understand, there are seventy four million Americans who voted

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Speaker 1: for Trump hence in twenty twenty, a record number by

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Speaker 1: far for any sitting president. Where will they go? Who

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Speaker 1: are they? And these Biden voters who did it out

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Speaker 1: of convenience, they're already leaving him. Look at the polls.

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Speaker 1: Don't tell me that. People in the polls independence eighteen

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Speaker 1: to thirty nine year olds, suburban women who have really

981
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: gone down. They've they've they've lost trust, they've lost confidence

982
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Speaker 1: Don't tell me that now they're going to go back

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Speaker 1: to Biden, because because why because you want more of this?

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Speaker 1: People can't wait. I think many people are actually looking

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Speaker 1: past Biden already. See the Democratic Party is and it's

987
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: really for his policy failings. They don't do anything well nothing.

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00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: We can see that Vice president ourselves has lost thirteen

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Speaker 1: senior staffers. Think about that. These are dream jobs to

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Speaker 1: work for the first female president, first female vice president

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Speaker 1: of caller. She's turned into a nightmare for many of

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Speaker 1: these people. And I think the Democratic Party has big problems.

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Speaker 1: For all the talk and handwringing about the effective President

994
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Speaker 1: I think we're talking about the wrong party. Of course,

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Speaker 1: You've got Kurt Schreider and Oregon endorsed by Joe Biden.

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Speaker 1: Gentlemen loses miserably by double digits to a Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: Senate nominee Tim Ryan in Ohio Democratic Senate nominee. They're

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Speaker 1: basically telling Joe Biden, lose my Stacey Abrams never seems

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1004
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,080
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Speaker 1: They don't want the President of the United States, the

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Speaker 1: And that tells you all you need to know about

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Speaker 1: the modern Democratic Party. It's cracking up. They're endorsing, and

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