WEBVTT - Cipha Sounds | ROC Solid w/ Memphis Bleek 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.080 What up, y'all? This is your main man, Memphis Bleek 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.280 right here. Welcome to rock Solid, a production of iHeart 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.280 Radio and the Black Effect Network in partnership with my 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:18.959 guys over at Drink Champs. You should nobody know. You 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:24.760 shouldn't nobody know? Yeah, y'all, you already know what it is. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:28.920 Yours truly M Greezy myth bleak back with another exclusive 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:30.800 episode of Rock Solid. 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:33.440 And I got one of my guys right here. 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.159 I mean when I started this shit, it's one of 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.000 the first guys who interviewed me. So it's an honor 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.760 for me to interview him. He was the voice of 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.880 New York. I watched this guy set Blaze is in 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:49.040 many different trails in this game. So to be sitting 0:00:49.080 --> 0:00:52.479 here kicking it with him finding out what's the latest 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:55.360 trail he blazing right now, it's an honor. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.400 Let's welcome my god Sight for Sounds to the building. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:00:59.760 What's up, my guy? 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.480 So much? How you've been bro, I've been great, healthy, alive. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:08.200 That hard right man. 0:01:08.560 --> 0:01:10.760 Before you even start with me, I don't give a 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.920 ship about any of that. I want to say. Here's 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.760 my intro. I've been trying to call this guy. For 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:19.360 a while I had an old number. I want to 0:01:19.400 --> 0:01:19.959 tell you we. 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.280 Had the rapper number. This is a journalist number. Did 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:23.880 you did? 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.440 I want to tell you, bro, of all these people 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:31.520 jumping into this world, you are one of the endless 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:35.440 to do it. And not only that, your personality has 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:41.240 already always fit this world. Is the technology and the 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:44.360 media caught up to what you already how you've been, 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.360 the reason why you're so good on this is the 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:48.960 reason why we love you. And it just happened to 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.040 just work out perfectly, the timing and what you're doing 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:53.320 and the stories you. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:55.800 Got out here. And it's no negative energy. 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.200 You ain't. That's what I'm saying. Doing that, it's an 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.800 honor for me to be here. Man, than appreciate it, man, 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.880 shout out by God nor because if it wasn't for 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.680 n O R I would not be doing it. Right. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:12.040 He saw this, I didn't right, you know what I mean? 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.160 So I got to give all the credit I didn't believe. 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.880 But Yo, let's get to my guy, man, because a 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.480 lot of people know you from Hot ninety seven. Let's 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:25.520 start before I know you as Kim DJ right right, 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.480 who was little Kim djety seven? 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.640 Yeah, my first job in the industry. Yeah, so let's 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.240 talk about that. How did you get that star that 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.720 queen big? I mean, I think I just was a 0:02:38.919 --> 0:02:42.360 very reliable young DJ in the game, opening up at 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.440 the tunnel for Funk Flax and all those people. And 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.200 then the woman remember Jessica, I used to run a tunnel. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.640 She was very cool with all of the classic Kim 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:52.799 and Biggie people. 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:54.960 So you know, Kim was going. 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:57.760 Kim was basically leave, not leaving Junior Marfy, but doing 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:58.960 her solo runners. 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:00.560 And they needed a d for. 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:06.160 Her because enough was Biggist DJ and then Junior Mafia 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:09.440 kind of just whatever whoever Biggies DJ was, so she 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.000 needed her own and I got plugged in and I 0:03:12.080 --> 0:03:16.640 was getting in her first promo run ninety six, three 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.639 hundred dollars. 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:22.880 A week a week, not a show a week, nigga 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:26.760 a week. Yo, Kim was pocketing in that bag. 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:29.760 And to this day, to this day, and I never 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:34.960 pick it up in a disrespectful way, but Kim on Jacob, y'all, 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.560 motherfucker's still owe me per diem from. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.600 All those shows, yo, yo deal yo bringing up for diem. 0:03:41.680 --> 0:03:43.680 You know I didn't have a clue what she meant 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.840 until I it took a hard knocked life to all 0:03:45.880 --> 0:03:48.160 when she was like, niggas can't eat without per deal. 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.560 To me, that was just a cool line. Yeah, until 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:54.480 I really couldn't eat until that per deal. Yo, That 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.720 shit was important. I think it was thirty five a day, yo. 0:03:57.920 --> 0:03:59.680 Y'all was doing good. Hope was looking out for They 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.920 was getting us two seventy five a week. Hard. 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:06.080 They gotta get two seventy five a week there for shows. 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:10.120 Yeah that was bad, yo, that's crazy. But it was 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:14.320 promo time, right, and promo is usually free. Yeah, she 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.440 wasn't getting no monchy. She was on the road doing 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.960 all these little radio station shows and oh so she 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.080 was just even paying you off promo run Yeah oh no, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:25.200 kim my bad. She wasn't pocketing a that. No, no, no, no, no, 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.360 he's a good one. Because it's halfway. That's probably why 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:31.039 my DJ left. He never got paid for prom I 0:04:31.040 --> 0:04:31.720 ain't get paid. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:33.159 Oh yeah, I got paid for promo. 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.200 We got but halfway through when she started getting money 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:38.600 and still say three hundred a week, I was like, 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:40.560 don't wait, should go up? 0:04:40.600 --> 0:04:44.520 Because yo went up? Oh my god, that's crazy. That's 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:44.800 the good. 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.560 So the little Kim play and all that, that's how 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:50.520 it led into Hot ninety seven. How did that come about? No? 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:54.640 How ninety seven was through the Tunnel and funk Master Flex. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:05:00.400 So Kim was like, I was lucky because him would 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.640 be working Wednesday through Saturday whatever, and the tunnel was 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.120 Sunday nights, so I could get home and still do 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:06.600 the tunnel. 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.240 Yo, how was you back there? What? 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:14.159 Eighteen not twenty nineteen? Twenty? Different? 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.240 Wild, bro, Like, I haven't been to a club like 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.200 that still to this day. Never I'm thinking it'll ever be. 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:21.960 But that was one of a kind. 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:25.000 And the nights you were in there, I got tapes, Bro, 0:05:26.720 --> 0:05:28.599 I got nobody had cameras back then. 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.880 The Choke no joke and mist excitement who he got 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:33.880 his own issues. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.600 Yeah, choke even fighting for his tapes. 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.760 I ain't mad at these dudes. Man, It's history. And 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.240 it's like, you got to pay that ball. 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:42.520 Whoever owns the camera technically owns a tench to make 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.440 sure you make an agreement with this guy, whoever your 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:44.760 guy is. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.920 Because he looked. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:48.120 Fishy, he couldn't look at you, he couldn't even get 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:50.000 up in the freight, so we ain't worry about him. 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:53.919 He ain't even figured out the freight problem. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.360 Bro, I had a little camp quarder and I got 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:59.320 I still got. I'm looking for an adapter now so 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:02.279 I could transfer the I got the old tapes and 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.560 the old camera. I gotta transfer to digital. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:09.320 You need Yoda guru, tell him what you got here? 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:09.880 I got that. 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:14.800 So the Tunnel Nightclub was like the illest club in 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:19.400 New York City. It was like the music and culture. 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.279 It was the purest of purest street ship. It could 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:25.560 possibly be if you wanted to know if you had 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:28.640 the streets, the streets, we had to go to the tunnel. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:30.320 This sh it wasn't popping in the tunnel. 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.159 You did not have the street right at all. 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.240 Right, you might have the bougie, you might have the mainstream, 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:38.599 but the streets. 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:39.159 Yes. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:40.919 So I was in there as a young buck, and 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:41.360 I was bro. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:44.080 I had to play early because what happened in the 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:46.240 tunnel was they used to DJ. They used to have 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:50.080 first five hundred girls free. I remember that. 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.480 But it was like from up to eleven o'clock. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:55.840 So I had to DJ at like nine o'clock with 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:57.720 four hundred girls. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:02.840 That got in for free holes three thousand, yup, and 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.200 that's when they start charging us eleven hundred to get 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.080 in year. There's four hundred girls in there free free, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:10.600 so that I was I played for. 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:12.960 So I was the man with the R and B 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.679 because you know, I was playing for just girls until 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:17.239 like midnight. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:19.680 So then and then DJ Big Cap would get on, 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:21.440 resting piece and piece Big Cap. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.920 Then I would get back on, play a half hour reggae, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:28.320 and then Flex would get on and the night would explode. 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:30.480 Before I let you finish. I just realized something. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:33.080 Yeah, as a kid, I always wondered how the hell 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:36.720 bad Boy had so much pulled with Hot ninety seven. 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:41.080 All of y'all was their DJs. Big Cat DJ for Biggie, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:45.160 Enough DJ for Junior, Mafia, DJ for Hot Night for 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:48.920 litlu Kim. This is why they records played all day y'all. 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.560 This is why y'all had no slack time. We finally 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.800 cracked the code, you know, Puffs said one time. 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:58.760 Puff said to us all the DJs, he was like, 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:02.000 he's like, I took every one of your bad Boy 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:03.880 records out of your create right now, could you do 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:04.640 a party tonight? 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.440 And we was like this is like ninety eight. We 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.880 was like, be good, but it won't be good. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:14.400 But it won't be good. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.240 You tell me no biggie, no flavoring in your ear, 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:23.080 no total, no faith, no whatever, nothing damn. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:26.440 And we were like, some of these records still play today, man, 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.960 come on one twelve today, you still playing these records today? 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.120 As a DJ, Right, Let's say if I go to 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:34.640 let's say I'm gonna go play a country party. Let's 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:37.120 say I get hired to do some weird country shit. Right, 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.800 I'll call up a DJ that knows country music, and 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.560 I'll say to him, what's the Benjamins of country? That's 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.000 our guideline, What's the Benjamins of reggae? What's the Benjamin's 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:51.160 of house? Give me ten of those, because to us, 0:08:51.240 --> 0:08:54.160 the Benjamins is the record that it tells you the 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:58.480 top record of a of a certain genre that makes sense. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:08:58.959 I get that. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.760 I get that man from the BX Man as a 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:06.120 Bronx kid coming up the mixtape era. Like what DJs 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:09.439 would you say you got your influence from or study 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:10.720 before you got in the game. 0:09:12.720 --> 0:09:15.280 There's a lot I used to like, Douop is my 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.360 favorite man, that's my guy do I got all his 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:19.720 tapes not to go on from you. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.079 You know, he got all his mixtapes ever made as 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.240 an archive where you could buy it as a download. 0:09:25.320 --> 0:09:27.040 He got a flash shot you inted at them do 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:27.760 Wop tapes. 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.160 He got it develop the illness and the reason why 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:34.040 I love Douop is the you know, the the music 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.000 everybody had and that was great. Craig G was great, 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:42.480 ron G chill Will, but Douop had the illis Mike 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:45.880 game and he corrapt so to me, he was like everything. 0:09:46.760 --> 0:09:48.400 His tapes were the best to me. But like, yeah, 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:51.439 I get but really I wanted to be a producer first. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:56.880 So yeah, so my influence is Premiere, Pete Rock, Clark Kent, 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.760 those guys. I thought you had to DJ to be 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:02.920 a producer because they were all DJs. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.440 I didn't know. I was young, so I was like, oh, 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:05.439 let me, let me learn how. 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.360 The DJ DJ word DJs that's how you get you know, 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.080 how you know to make certain club bangers. So I 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.199 was following. I thought you had to learn how to 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.480 DJ to be a producer. I didn't want to do 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:16.440 parties until. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:16.880 I got older. 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:19.839 I just thought like, all right, so you have to 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:21.920 scratch on your beat, so I have to learn how 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.280 to scratch. I didn't know about parties yet I tried that. 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.440 I didn't know you had to be light handed to 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:28.720 be a d you're heavy handed. 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:29.600 Yeah, shit was. 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:33.240 Bad breaking member. These kids don't even got to worry 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.120 about needles breaking. NI could throw it in their little Sarado, 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.679 they little machine. They don't know that even though it 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:43.199 state member, you had real DJ, you did them shows. 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:46.319 You used to have to tell stop jumping on the stage. 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:49.840 You making the record skip like you wanted them DJs, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:51.959 you probably had to put the coin on the joint. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:55.360 On these, you taped it, tape the corner on the needle, yo, 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:58.400 so it won't skip. These is the things these young 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:02.480 rappers today will never ever experience. And I feel like 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.360 that's what takes away from a lot of the talent. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:09.960 Agree to disagree or disagree like because I feel like 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.760 back then, you had to go on the fly, like 0:11:12.880 --> 0:11:14.719 as a DJ in the MC, if you would throw 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.080 on the break beat, I just start rhyming. Or if 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.160 we had a show the record skip, there is no yo. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:23.520 Started from the beginning. To bring that back, we had 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:25.319 to catch it on time. 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:26.640 To catch it right there, like. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.880 What part of skip to? Okay, we're right here now. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:31.240 I don't think these kids will be able to sty 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.960 the problem now with technologies that's too easy, yes, and 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:35.800 I'm not not. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.079 I use a lot of the stuff to make it easier. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.079 Yeah, I love it, but they it seems like the 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.640 kids nowadays. And I don't like talking bad about kids. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:46.880 It seems like the kids nowadays don't even try to 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:49.640 look back to see what it were, like y'all old, 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.880 y'all cook, y'all corny, y'all bulls. And I'm like, yeah, 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.240 but that's where you get the talent from them. 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.480 You heard the little homie just saying what is the hip? 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.320 The hard? That all that was whacked? Like? What was 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:04.400 my man name? Who just said that? Man? 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:06.400 Oh? 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:12.840 YACHTI that's he tried to ship on the old scrappers Delight? 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:17.560 How can you that's blasphemy. They should take his rap 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:22.320 card for that. That's bad, fathers. I don't play. 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.600 Rappers Delight every day in my car, but I would it, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.240 Like we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for that. 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.840 That's a fact, none of us would be here today. 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:33.920 He wouldn't even be having this conversation if it wasn't 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.160 for that record with millions. You have millions, Like it's 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:40.920 impossible to say that. Like, I get it. A lot 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.360 of these kids music don't resonate with us. It might 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.079 not be for us, but my son, like the kids, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:50.319 it resonate with them because you can't. I love my son, 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:53.640 this is my god. I raised him to the care 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:58.320 but I cannot tell him that what's the homie that 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:00.360 got the baby by eighty years there? I'm bad with 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:03.520 these new niggas to him. 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.959 Playboy CARDI killing hole. 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:13.199 He like what Playboy Cardi the best? But I can't 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.959 tell him he ain't. That's his eerror, right. I just 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:20.400 I just hate he respect the old school. He's not 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:23.040 gonna sit there and tell me. Yeah, but run DMC 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.120 was whack dad. He know we fighting. That's when I'm 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:37.360 really see if you're a man now, Surety. 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:34.640 I'm fucking you up. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:42.000 The word up. So radio once dictated what I feel like. 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.920 You know, people say it broke what went on in 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.760 New York, but New York dictated what was the world. 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.240 Ninety seven was the key to everything. 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:54.880 Whatever broke on High ninety seven, everything went everywhere else 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:56.200 how you feel. 0:13:56.480 --> 0:14:00.080 It changed with the streaming and everything. Even before that, 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:07.080 it changed with it changed with multi disc CD changes 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:09.720 in your car because you complainly not just one city, 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:11.600 you could go through a bunch And then it went 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:15.240 to MP three's and now streaming, so a lot of 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.360 the tension went away from radio. But here's the thing 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.720 about radio though. Radio was never for people like us 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:26.240 who are like really really into the music and into 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.960 the culture, because we would go find our ways to 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:29.840 find other music. 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:30.360 Anyway. 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.240 Radio is more of a passive listen to people who 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.200 kind of just like listening to music on the way 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:37.640 to work and on the way to the store. 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:40.760 So for them, radio still rocks. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.520 He's still. 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:48.160 Like when when real underground hip hop people used to 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:48.800 yell at me. 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.720 Like, Yo, why are you not playing that? 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.760 I'm like, bro, Radio's not for that. 0:14:54.920 --> 0:15:01.760 You're underground, and I always try to mix it in 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.400 where I can. Yes, but underground is a thing. You 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:06.920 love it so much. I also love it so much. 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.120 But I have a corporate obligation and. 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:11.320 Order for me to keep my job. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:16.680 In order for me, who is an underground backpack nerd 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:21.080 hip hop guy, I gotta play eight nine, ten mainstream records, 0:15:21.120 --> 0:15:23.400 so I could sneak in my most death, so I 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:26.760 can sneak in that Pharrol manch sneaking Big l in 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.640 between job Rule and Memphis Bleak. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:31.120 You know what I mean. 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.600 And that's how we did it. I wasn't mainstream always 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:35.280 to New York. 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.320 He was sometimes, you know, in a mix, sometimes a 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:43.520 lot of y'all. Listen, I love my New York City DJs. 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:45.880 I'm never gonna shit on you. I don't take nothing 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:49.240 personal because it was all rap. It was a career 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.240 like it don't matter if we worked in fucking food 0:15:52.240 --> 0:15:52.880 and beverage. 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:55.280 You might not have took some of my deliveries this day. 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:55.800 It don't matter. 0:15:55.880 --> 0:15:57.600 So I look at it the same way. It's not 0:15:57.640 --> 0:15:58.480 it's nothing personal. 0:15:58.520 --> 0:15:59.160 It's the job. 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.000 But a lot of y'all from hot for the for 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:03.720 the ones. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:07.280 That I say didn't look out, the ones that did 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.520 outweigh that when they come down to you, mister c 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:17.400 rest in peace sonny uh dj Envy. When he was 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:21.760 over there, fucking Flex looked out when he wanted to. 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.960 We wanted to sometimes FLEXI give me that. Really, I 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.160 ain't fucking with your man right now. I caught a 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.880 lot of that and Hope where Hope said, they don't 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.560 play my hits, so I'll if I'll play they show 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:37.680 I don't give a ship to him. 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:38.520 He did. 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.120 I did, because they'll be like, Okay, they don't care, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:44.360 we ain't playing hits, so we're gonna stop bleaking bean shit. 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:48.360 So that's the But we caught him that so I 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.760 couldn't take a lot of shit personal with people. Nah, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:56.720 you can't enough? Is my guy off off music like 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.600 man the man. I love him DJ Nothing. I don't 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.400 fuck with him really, I love him though as a 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:04.160 brother like. 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.280 Man Nothing wasn't playing your shit back then. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.000 Nigga, let me tell you a story about E. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:11.359 I tore him for listen. 0:17:12.840 --> 0:17:16.480 Like that Swiss beats like that, calls me bleak, I 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.639 got it, I got the record. I'm like, what you 0:17:19.680 --> 0:17:21.680 got it? I'm on my way. Wait, Guru up We 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.000 in baseline wake grew ups. Three o'clock in the morning. 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:26.359 We go down there the Swiss studio. Who in the 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:29.840 studio with him? Enough enough? The first person say to me, nah, 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.920 bleak this that joint right here that means crazy. So 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.359 I'm like, allright, what record is he? Swiss? 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:35.720 Play it? 0:17:37.040 --> 0:17:39.200 Like that, tell me if it's like that, it's like that. 0:17:40.200 --> 0:17:44.600 Enough sat there like as if excuse me. Remember you 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.040 know my crew, you know b I. You remember Murder, 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.679 Leaky Proof, all of them. He sat there with me 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:51.679 like he was one of them. Why, I'm right in 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.200 the rhymes. Yeah that's it, Yo, eat what you think? Yeah, bleek, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.720 that's it? Did the record? He like, Yo, I'm telling you, Blair, 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:00.720 I said, go play that for j when played it 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.120 for j J? Like that's the single? Were putting that out? 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.399 Eve there, I got you bleak, We're gonna run. I 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:07.960 ain't play the record one. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:08.520 No, that's not. 0:18:08.680 --> 0:18:12.040 I can't mind me. He ain't playing the record once. Why? 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:16.280 I don't know. I never ever asked him me either. 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.120 You know I see him and never say yo, bro Yo, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.399 you walked me off the plank in New York City, 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:22.120 left me off. 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:24.480 You gotta bring him up here. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:27.160 I got to I want to. I'm mad and went 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.040 the way it went because then now people think I'm 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:31.480 an interviewer for that, But nah, I need answers back 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.600 in the day, because that's why I like that ain't 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.240 get played and you helped me make it. He probably 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:39.240 gave me a bar. Probably ain't give him no pub 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:44.200 that's why you think that was it? Nah, Maybe I 0:18:44.240 --> 0:18:47.920 don't know. That's a weird one because with me the 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:51.960 whole time, Bro and never play, I record got more 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.440 play in Africa than it did in New York City. 0:18:56.080 --> 0:19:00.320 I guarantee you. Maybe it had to be something political. No, 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:03.680 my g what made you like you was one of 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.879 the first that did this podcast thing? Wan Epstein, like 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.399 you was doing this shit back in the day, like 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:13.040 the first one to do it. What made you pivot 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.320 from radio into that? And it wasn't a pivot. 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.320 But first of all, I just I don't I hate 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.320 to be like an ass on and correct you on 0:19:22.359 --> 0:19:26.480 your own show. We were the first, Yeah, you said, 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:27.240 one of the first. 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:29.520 There is one. There's number one. 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:34.679 Okay, my bad, my bad, My basting podcast the first 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:36.160 hip hop podcast ever. 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:39.480 I didn't know nothing about podcasts. They made me get 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:43.520