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Speaker 2: Sun is off to quite the championship run in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. We don't have a favorite hockey team, so
Speaker 2: that doesn't really count. There have been two championships decided
Speaker 2: this year. One the Kansas City Chiefs who won the title,
Speaker 2: my team beating your team, the Baltimore Ravens and root
Speaker 2: to it. And two the Boston Celtics who won the title,
Speaker 2: who beat kind of my adopted team, the Dallas Mavericks
Speaker 2: in route to it. So it's been a long road
Speaker 2: for you as a Celtics fan. You kind of picked
Speaker 2: the worst era in Celtics history, which is a testament
Speaker 2: how great their history is. To become a Celtics fan
Speaker 2: because you went such a long you became a fan
Speaker 2: in twenty ten, and then they won their first title
Speaker 2: of your fandom this year, So I worst sounds bad,
Speaker 2: but my point is they've done so much winning over
Speaker 2: the years. There aren't a lot of fifteen year gaps.
Speaker 2: Eighty six to eight was the longest one, but you
Speaker 2: were too young and weren't alive for a lot of that.
Speaker 2: So before we get to any of it, congratulations, it's
Speaker 2: your first favorite team that's ever won a championship. How
Speaker 2: to feel watching it? Not a lot of suspense in
Speaker 2: the series and in the game, so I imagine it wasn't
Speaker 2: a single U Fork moment. But you guys won.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did win. I got my moss right, here
Speaker 3: so toes to you and this wow.
Speaker 2: Oh but just take just a straight shot morning West
Speaker 2: Coast time, go ahead.
Speaker 3: So it felt great, I will say something about it
Speaker 3: felt unnatural, like with how easy it was. But like
Speaker 3: Tatum said, long time coming, very glad they got it done,
Speaker 3: and just excited to see this team now year and
Speaker 3: see what they'll be able to do. But it's a
Speaker 3: but yeah, no, it's amazing. But like I said, like
Speaker 3: it does feel a little eerie still, like for some reason,
Speaker 3: it just feels a little strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I understand, I relate to that. It was
Speaker 2: you know, the my first team that won a championship
Speaker 2: really was the Royals, and it was similar their run
Speaker 2: in this regard. So the Royals the previous year went
Speaker 2: seven in the World Series and had an unbelievable postseason
Speaker 2: run and then lost in heartbreaking fashion. And then the
Speaker 2: next year they could have easily lost the divisional round.
Speaker 2: They could have easily lost the divisional round, but then
Speaker 2: they kind of took care of business in the ALCS
Speaker 2: against the Blue Jays, and then the World Series itself
Speaker 2: was for to one over the Mets, and it felt
Speaker 2: within the moment almost anti climactic. But the build up
Speaker 2: over the previous years is where the real intrigue came
Speaker 2: for the Celtics. It's something similar. This team has been
Speaker 2: championship caliber the last three years and two years ago.
Speaker 2: I know people say, you know, they've went to six
Speaker 2: conference title finals in eight years, but that's seventeen and
Speaker 2: eighteen teams were not championship caliber. I didn't think the
Speaker 2: twenty team that lost to Miami was championship caliber. But
Speaker 2: twenty two, they're up to one in the finals, look
Speaker 2: like they are going to win it. Steph goes crazy
Speaker 2: in that game for Draymond gets going and they lose.
Speaker 2: Last year, they have it all laid out in front
Speaker 2: of them, they go down three to zero in the
Speaker 2: conference finals, claw all the way back for a game
Speaker 2: seven and can't get it done. And in this year
Speaker 2: they mow through everybody flatly. Yeah, this team went I
Speaker 2: mean they went eighty and seventeen I'm sorry, eighty and
Speaker 2: twenty one on the year. It record wise, it's an
Speaker 2: all time team, even if eye test wise, I don't
Speaker 2: know that they're an all time team, but they did
Speaker 2: have an all time season and that they were so
Speaker 2: good that none of the playoff series ever felt in doubt.
Speaker 2: There was never a moment of like, oh man, this
Speaker 2: could go the other way. Probably the only moment that
Speaker 2: there was real doubt was Game three when the twenty
Speaker 2: one point lead turned into a two point lead, because
Speaker 2: at least to me, it felt like blowing that type
Speaker 2: of game could break a team. A game where you're
Speaker 2: up twenty and the fourth to essentially win the championship.
Speaker 2: If you blow that, could you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Would it have snowballed? But they Luca fouls out, they
Speaker 2: hold on, Jalen Brown makes the biggest shot of his
Speaker 2: life to basically ice that game, and then from there
Speaker 2: on it was really a matter of win and not if.
Speaker 2: So we'll get into all of that quickly. Here's what
Speaker 2: missed the cut in today's show. The Birmingham Stallions bought
Speaker 2: out the Bramas to win their third consecutive UFL or
Speaker 2: USFL XFL championship. Bryson d. Chambeau wins the US Open.
Speaker 2: That put a little sour taste on my father's day
Speaker 2: because I had bet Rory at plus three point fifty.
Speaker 2: Rory had made literally four hundred and ninety six putts
Speaker 2: from three foot or inside in a row, and then
Speaker 2: he missed one on sixteen and then one on eighteen
Speaker 2: to really gag it away for Rory to be two
Speaker 2: shots up with five to play, and Bryson played the
Speaker 2: final five holes one over and to win is just
Speaker 2: into just unforgivable. And Jeff Van Gundy shout out to
Speaker 2: Jeff van Gundy, friend of mine, great guy. It's been
Speaker 2: a brutal year for him. He gets a lead assistant
Speaker 2: job with Tylo and the Clippers. But the story, of
Speaker 2: course is the Celtics raising banner eighteen demons take it away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so my Celtics are obviously world champions now, just
Speaker 3: won the finals last night. They finished. You already said
Speaker 3: they finished their postseason eight and twenty one. But you
Speaker 3: congratulated Boston last night, but kind of took a shot
Speaker 3: at the same time with your tweet, which I kind
Speaker 3: of got something to say towards, but I guess we'll
Speaker 3: get to it later.
Speaker 4: Oh I did. The words are tiny, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Because I said, let me read the tweet. Congrats to
Speaker 2: the Celtics. They were the best team all year and
Speaker 2: I didn't believe in them. I didn't think they had
Speaker 2: the guy. Turns out they didn't have to outstanding team.
Speaker 2: That is six excellent players, guys who know their roles
Speaker 2: and are brilliant defend deserving champs. I don't think that's
Speaker 2: taking a shot. I think that is cojin analysis.
Speaker 3: But go ahead, all right, So do you think this
Speaker 3: is going to be the first team to roll through
Speaker 3: through the finals and through the playoffs and still get
Speaker 3: crushed for it? Or do you think people will finally
Speaker 3: acknowledge this team as a historic one.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that was always a straw man. I
Speaker 2: don't think there are no champions. There is one champion
Speaker 2: in my lifetime that gets yeah butted consistently, and I
Speaker 2: think it's because Lebron's attached to it. Other folks say no,
Speaker 2: it's because of the pandemic. But the Lakers Championship gets
Speaker 2: a mental asterisk folks put on it. They call it
Speaker 2: the bubble Championship. That's the only one. Wilds and brew
Speaker 2: Go you know, argued with me and yelled at me,
Speaker 2: said no, the other one is the Rockets two championships
Speaker 2: because Jordan wasn't in the league, but of course he
Speaker 2: was in the league for their second championship. But I
Speaker 2: don't I don't think credible. People are like, oh, a
Speaker 2: team has fake championships. There are no fake championships now,
Speaker 2: and so I just don't think that anyone ever was
Speaker 2: going to do that. Now. If somebody tried to say
Speaker 2: this is one of the hardest paths to a title ever,
Speaker 2: that obviously is a different discussion and that's not accurate.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't matter. The Celtics handled all their business
Speaker 2: in the regular season on a semi historic level. We've
Speaker 2: seen a lot of sixty four win teams, but you
Speaker 2: added the point differential to it, it becomes semi historic.
Speaker 2: They then never faced a game six in these playoffs.
Speaker 2: They either swept or won in five every series. That
Speaker 2: is a great team and the point I was making
Speaker 2: in my tweet, I think stands up the fact that
Speaker 2: the Celtics were able to roll through these finals despite
Speaker 2: no one on their team having anything close to an
Speaker 2: A plus series except for I guess you could say
Speaker 2: Sam Houser in his role is a testament to how
Speaker 2: deep they are. And it's not even deep like one
Speaker 2: through eight, but deep one through six. How well rounded
Speaker 2: they are and the Celtics, I'm gonna I'm gonna look
Speaker 2: this up and Dusty you're watching, So Dusty, tell me
Speaker 2: if if I have this inclination correct, at some point,
Speaker 2: I would bet this was one of the Celtics in
Speaker 2: the finals. I bet the points they scored over these
Speaker 2: five games is maybe the fewest points they scored over
Speaker 2: any five game stretch all year. I bet that, and
Speaker 2: they won in dominating fashion. So why because this team
Speaker 2: was so dialed defensively, and aside from five minutes of
Speaker 2: Game three and the entirety of Game four, essentially they
Speaker 2: were so dominant defensively. When they were keyed in, the
Speaker 2: Mavericks had no room to breathe, and that makes you
Speaker 2: a great team. There are some legitimate similarities to the
Speaker 2: four Pistons, a team that also didn't have anyone in
Speaker 2: those finals go crazy. Nobody averaged twenty five, let alone
Speaker 2: thirty points per game, but it didn't matter because they
Speaker 2: were so well rounded and they crushed you on the
Speaker 2: defensive end. And so listen, Jason Tatum gave you twenty two,
Speaker 2: seven and seven on thirty nine percent and twenty six
Speaker 2: percent from three, and they blew the MAVs away. Jalen
Speaker 2: Brown gave you twenty one, five and five on forty
Speaker 2: four percent and twenty three percent from three and they
Speaker 2: blew the MAVs away. Chris STAPs, Porzingis gave you six
Speaker 2: healthy quarters and they blew the MAVs away. That's a
Speaker 2: great team. It just is. And so I have no
Speaker 2: problem saying I missed it because I thought that if
Speaker 2: Tatum were to play at this level in the finals,
Speaker 2: which I thought was likely, the MAVs would win. Instead,
Speaker 2: Tatum played at this level and the Celtics ever were tested.
Speaker 2: That is a testament to the quality of the roster.
Speaker 2: Brad Stevens moves he made the Drew Holliday edition, Chris STAPs,
Speaker 2: even though he wasn't really available most of this playoff run,
Speaker 2: bringing back Al Horford, Joe Missoula, keeping the team locked in,
Speaker 2: neither Tatum nor Brown letting their ego get in the
Speaker 2: way of this. All of this is about what a
Speaker 2: great team is, and so I can hold both of
Speaker 2: these ideas in my head. I believe this was a
Speaker 2: great team, and I believe that despite the fact I
Speaker 2: don't think they have anyone that is close to a
Speaker 2: historically great player. That almost makes it more impressive. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring up that four Piston's team again
Speaker 2: because it was that four. Piston's team went to six
Speaker 2: conference finals in eight years. Now. They won a championship
Speaker 2: on the front end, Renther in the back end went
Speaker 2: to another finals that they lost in seven That was
Speaker 2: after the champions set up before the championship. But it
Speaker 2: was a team that defensively could guard one through five
Speaker 2: basically anywhere, and everyone accepted and was good with their roles,
Speaker 2: and everyone except for Ben Wallace could be an offensive
Speaker 2: star on any given night. That's this Celtics team. And
Speaker 2: shout out to them for that. And so I don't
Speaker 2: think and Dusty just sent it to me. These finals
Speaker 2: were the second fewest points the Celtics scored in any
Speaker 2: five game stretch of the season U. And with the
Speaker 2: only you know what and if you the only five
Speaker 2: game stretch UH that was fewer was the last game
Speaker 2: of the conference finals through game four of these finals,
Speaker 2: so it is they didn't have so think about that.
Speaker 2: Think about that for a moment, because this is a compliment.
Speaker 2: The Celtics had their worst offensive five game stretch of
Speaker 2: the season in the NBA Finals and were up three
Speaker 2: to zero, to one, four to one. That is remarkable.
Speaker 2: That is insane when you think about it, and and
Speaker 2: thank you Dusty for looking that up. I just just
Speaker 2: from watching the Celtics throughout the year and knowing the
Speaker 2: numbers they average one twenty in this series, they ended
Speaker 2: up they never hit one ten. They I knew their
Speaker 2: offense wasn't clicking by looking by their own standards, and
Speaker 2: they rolled. So this is where before we get to
Speaker 2: other stuff. Celtics fans that want to be you know,
Speaker 2: mad at me or annoyed, you can take a victory
Speaker 2: lap in that I underrated your team. You deserve that.
Speaker 2: I absolutely did. Uh, there's no denying.
Speaker 4: It orating a little bit.
Speaker 2: Well, we're gonna get to Luca. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I overrated him, but we'll get to Luca's performance. Uh.
Speaker 2: In in a moment, I want to stay on Boston
Speaker 2: for now. Uh.
Speaker 5: But you could say, I, well, let's just put a
Speaker 5: picre the you if you want this.
Speaker 2: If you were hoping this would be Jason Tatum's coronation,
Speaker 2: then you're a little disappointed. If you were hoping this
Speaker 2: would be the Celtics team coronation, and starting all the
Speaker 2: way back with Danny Ainge deciding you know what, it's
Speaker 2: gonna hurt, But I'm trading KG and Paul while they
Speaker 2: still have value because our window is closed with something
Speaker 2: like this in mind, that was a decade ago when
Speaker 2: he made that move, and the Smart trade for Derek White,
Speaker 2: the not you know, despite all the disappointments and despite
Speaker 2: all the trade rumors, never trading Jail and Brown. Now,
Speaker 2: some of that is probably good fortune because he obviously
Speaker 2: was available at times, and you know the other teams
Speaker 2: wouldn't accept the deal. The Jail and Brown and Jason
Speaker 2: Tatum sticking together and getting closer and figuring out each
Speaker 2: other's weaknesses more properly evaluating your own team and having
Speaker 2: the courage to say, you know what, Marcus Smart, who
Speaker 2: got here a year before, Jalen Brown, who kind of
Speaker 2: had an outsized leadership role, you're out. We're trading you.
Speaker 2: Getting Chris STAPs the moment Drew Holidays available, seizing on him.
Speaker 2: Doing those things is how you build a champion. And
Speaker 2: they did it, and so there is no shade, There
Speaker 2: is no yeah. But they won the title. And I
Speaker 2: note right now, Demons, before we move on to your
Speaker 2: follow ups and then get to Luca, what's the fan
Speaker 2: base you think right now that is last night had
Speaker 2: the hardest time sleeping that last night watched the Celtics
Speaker 2: win that championship and say, man, we blew it. That
Speaker 2: should have been us. Because there's one that comes to
Speaker 2: mind for me that it's gonna be hard for them
Speaker 2: to get over. I'm curious if there is a team
Speaker 2: fan base out there that watched these playoffs and watched
Speaker 2: these finals and said we would have beaten that team,
Speaker 2: We would have done better than the MAVs, and we
Speaker 2: would have been Is there one that comes to mind?
Speaker 4: Oh, the Timberwolves, right?
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think it's the Timberwolves. What there? Yeah,
Speaker 2: show the control room that that's right. It is Daniel's
Speaker 2: pointing at himself, at himself. It's the Nuggets. The Nuggets
Speaker 2: fans right now, to Daniel, give me a thumbs up
Speaker 2: if I'm right. This has been a hard finals to
Speaker 2: watch because right or wrong, the Nuggets fans are like,
Speaker 2: we were up twenty in Game seven and we would
Speaker 2: have rolled the MAVs. He's gonna walk away. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: would have rolled the MAVs and the Celtics would have
Speaker 2: had no answer for joker like that. The Nuggets, the
Speaker 2: Nuggets are the one team. Because also, by the way
Speaker 2: the Celtics this year eighty they finished the year eighty
Speaker 2: and seventy, Is that right? Eighty and twenty one finished
Speaker 2: the year eighty and twenty one. They are eighty and
Speaker 2: nineteen against twenty eight teams and zero to two against Denver,
Speaker 2: and the Nuggets had they were up three to two
Speaker 2: and then they were up twenty in a game seven
Speaker 2: at home, and it was weird. And now maybe I
Speaker 2: can say that even if they had gotten through that,
Speaker 2: Dallas would have beaten them. But Nuggets fans today feel
Speaker 2: like God dogg.
Speaker 3: It's unfortunate feeling last year though, like the Celtics had
Speaker 3: to go through that with playing the Heat. When they
Speaker 3: the Heat went to go play Denver, and the Celtics
Speaker 3: obviously knew they would have matched up better than the Heat, says,
Speaker 3: so you gotta wear that well?
Speaker 2: They right, exactly right, No, that's right where the Celtics
Speaker 2: last year, like that should have been us and we
Speaker 2: would have certainly given it a bet. Right, So I
Speaker 2: in a weird way, I think Nuggets fans have a
Speaker 2: harder time dealing with this Finals than MAVs fans. I
Speaker 2: think the Timberwolves feel like Hey, we're a young team. Well,
Speaker 2: Anthony's young, and we kind of spent ourselves beating Denver.
Speaker 2: Dallas hit us, you know, with a sledgehammer. Dallas feels like,
Speaker 2: holy bleep. We missed the playoffs. Last year. We were
Speaker 2: at the play in line before the trade deadline. We
Speaker 2: made the damn finals. It's it's the Nuggets that this
Speaker 2: is a tough one for him, and maybe that would
Speaker 2: have been a better finals, but you got to get
Speaker 2: there for it to be a better final. You gotta
Speaker 2: get there. And so Boston, you get all the flowers,
Speaker 2: you get all the all the credit, and you're not
Speaker 2: only deserving champs. You are. I'm gonna say one other
Speaker 2: thing and then we'll move on to your follow ups.
Speaker 2: You are inspirational champs to a lot of the league.
Speaker 2: In this regard. Man, if we don't have a top
Speaker 2: twenty all time player, are we just spinning our wheels
Speaker 2: for nothing? All right? We if we are so? No,
Speaker 2: it's not like, if you are right now, let me
Speaker 2: let me give you, let me give you a I mean,
Speaker 2: you can say that, but it's accurate. If you're right now,
Speaker 2: the Indiana Pacers right and you are trying to build something.
Speaker 2: If you are the Sacramento Kings with dearon Fox, you're
Speaker 2: trying to build something. If you maybe are the Minutes
Speaker 2: so to Timberwolves with Anthony Edwards and trying to build something,
Speaker 2: and if the MAVs had won the title and beaten Boston,
Speaker 2: it would feel like, well, with this whole build the
Speaker 2: best team thing, let's see who wins titles. Luca Jokic, Jannis,
Speaker 2: Steph Kawhi when he was healthy, Lebron, Stephan Durant, Lebron,
Speaker 2: Stephan Clay, you know, Duncan with Kawhi and Tony and
Speaker 2: Manu Lebron with the way it's okay if we don't
Speaker 2: have one of the Celtics are this perfectly built team.
Speaker 2: If Luca had gone in there with one other All
Speaker 2: Star and then a bunch of twenty two year olds
Speaker 2: and beating them, it would feel like, all right, if
Speaker 2: we don't get the Wimby lottery pick, what, we're just
Speaker 2: spinning our wheels instead. What the Celtics showed you is
Speaker 2: if if you have enough really good players and then
Speaker 2: a couple excellent players, you can get away with not
Speaker 2: having a legend. And that's not backhanded, and that's where
Speaker 2: if Celtics fans want to get mad at me, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but it's just true. And so that is that. It
Speaker 2: is a It was the best result for the league
Speaker 2: when it comes to other fan bases feeling like, oh,
Speaker 2: there's a path here, all right, now we can do
Speaker 2: the follow ups.
Speaker 4: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown got the MVP Trophy. You said that that's
Speaker 3: who should have gotten the vote. Were you surprised that
Speaker 3: he got it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I well a little bit. I thought there
Speaker 2: was a chance that they were going to do something
Speaker 2: hinky and I and tried it for the first time
Speaker 2: ever do co MVPs. Somebody would split their vote. So
Speaker 2: it was five and a half five and a half.
Speaker 2: I thought Drew deserved a little consideration because in a
Speaker 2: series like this, this is how I feel I am
Speaker 2: gonna put a disproportionate impact on games one through three
Speaker 2: when the series was in the balance, and Jalen was
Speaker 2: clearly the best player of those three games with Drew
Speaker 2: to me being in second place, and Jalen hit the
Speaker 2: shot in game three that kind of iced it, that
Speaker 2: jumper to put him up four when it was getting perilous.
Speaker 2: Uh with a round a little over a minute left.
Speaker 2: But no, I think they got it right. I think
Speaker 2: they got it right, and I'm happy they got it right.
Speaker 2: What we got another jail and Jason question?
Speaker 4: Go ahead?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So do you think we're in for a summer
Speaker 3: of Jalen Jason Tatum rumors or rivalry rumors?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I again, I think that is that is going. You know,
Speaker 2: the uh Twitter meme of the idea is somebody puts
Speaker 2: out like a highlight clip and then captions it with
Speaker 2: and they said, but it's something no one has ever said,
Speaker 2: Like they put a clip of Steph hitting a bunch
Speaker 2: of threes and then that somebody capts it with and
Speaker 2: they tried to tell you Steph Curry is not a
Speaker 2: great shooter, like the something that no one actually has
Speaker 2: ever said. I think that there are going to be
Speaker 2: Celtics fans who operate best from a place of angst
Speaker 2: that don't know how it kind of feels to just
Speaker 2: know you guys won and there's not really any downside, yeah,
Speaker 2: but pessimistic side to it that are going to try
Speaker 2: to straw man you into saying that that this is
Speaker 2: a storyline. I don't think it's a storyline. I now
Speaker 2: now I guess maybe I'm going to contradict myself here.
Speaker 2: I I don't think it's a storyline. I do think
Speaker 2: that if somebody went into next year and said, hey,
Speaker 2: I think Jalen Brown's the best player on the team,
Speaker 2: they can't be disregarded as trolling. I think he has
Speaker 2: done enough in biggest spots where it's at least someone's
Speaker 2: allowed to hold that opinion. Let me put it that way.
Speaker 2: I think that is an even I don't think he's
Speaker 2: the best player on the team, right right, So you
Speaker 2: it's a viable opinion. It's an allowable opinion, not in
Speaker 2: the way that think of the Warriors pre KD. If
Speaker 2: somebody was like, guys, I'm just telling you I think
Speaker 2: Klay Thompson is the best player, that's not a viable opinion,
Speaker 2: you know what. I mean that even though Stepp didn't
Speaker 2: win finals MVP, Clay did either, obviously it's now a
Speaker 2: viable opinion. But I think that I think Tatum has
Speaker 2: the right disposition. Man, I think he wanted finals MVP.
Speaker 2: I think you could see once the game was decided
Speaker 2: in that second half, it did feel to me like
Speaker 2: Tatum was like, well, if I score forty I think
Speaker 2: I'll get it. But that's fine. He's supposed to want
Speaker 2: finals MVP, Like, that's not a he's supposed to, you know,
Speaker 2: want those accolades. But no, I don't think it's a
Speaker 2: rivalry thing. All right, what's the next Tatum question?
Speaker 3: So do you, with that said, with his mid performance
Speaker 3: throughout the series, do you think that that would all
Speaker 3: be forgotten if he had won Finals MVP.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I do. And that's where it stings for
Speaker 2: him just a bit, is if he had won Finals MVP,
Speaker 2: anyone in the future that were to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, Tatum has n't been great in either final
Speaker 2: he's been in, could can simply respond with he won
Speaker 2: Finals MVP. So it was similar to I'll give you
Speaker 2: a not apples to apples, but an example Mahomes a
Speaker 2: few Super bowls ago, right, So go back in time
Speaker 2: where we are right after the Bengals playoff loss, where
Speaker 2: mahomes last three postseasons had been beating the Niners, the
Speaker 2: first time in the Super Bowl, getting blown out by
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay and then losing to the Bengals, and folks
Speaker 2: would and Mahomes in that Niner Super Bowl, that first
Speaker 2: one had two interceptions early, didn't play well for the
Speaker 2: first three quarters of that game, but then was brilliant
Speaker 2: late and won Super Bowl MVP. I remember being on
Speaker 2: Dan Patrick's show before the Eagles Super Bowl and Dan
Speaker 2: Patrick tried to say to me, well, you know, Mahomes
Speaker 2: hasn't played very well in the Super Bowl in his career,
Speaker 2: and I just replied with, what do you mean. He's like, well,
Speaker 2: he hasn't been very good in either game, and I
Speaker 2: just I think check made it him by being like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: that's interesting because he's played in two of the games,
Speaker 2: and in one of them they at the end of
Speaker 2: the game they voted on who was the best player
Speaker 2: on either team, either side of the ball, the single
Speaker 2: best player in the game, and he won that award.
Speaker 2: So I guess he played. If he didn't play well,
Speaker 2: no one played well because he won Super Bowl MVP.
Speaker 2: And so it is kind of a you know, big
Speaker 2: joker when it comes to how poorly could the guy
Speaker 2: have played if he was named the MVP of the
Speaker 2: game or the series. So yeah, I do think it
Speaker 2: would have been lost to history. Now it won't be,
Speaker 2: but it's not the only way Tatum playing poorly was
Speaker 2: going to really hurt him was if they lost because
Speaker 2: of it. Instead they ran away with it. So it
Speaker 2: doesn't help him obviously, Like the championship helps him, but
Speaker 2: you know, not winning finals MVP, it doesn't help him.
Speaker 2: But that to me's fair. All right, let's let's go
Speaker 2: to the Celtic's future part, because we'll go ahead and
Speaker 2: ask the other dam question. Then we'll go to it,
Speaker 2: then we'll go to the.
Speaker 3: Next Do you think he's reportedly gonna sign an offer
Speaker 3: for five years, three hundred and fifteen million.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's worth it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, of course. He's one of the he's
Speaker 2: one of the best players in the league, one of
Speaker 2: the call it ten best players in the league, and
Speaker 2: that's what those guys get. So yeah, that's not even
Speaker 2: a debate. That's not even a debate. He can be
Speaker 2: clearly a cut below the very very best players in
Speaker 2: the league and worth a max like that's not even
Speaker 2: to me, that's not that's not debatable. Now, one more
Speaker 2: Celtic question before we get to Luca.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they seem like a there seemed like a
Speaker 3: perfectly built team to with stars and role players. Do
Speaker 3: you think this is just the beginning of an air
Speaker 3: of an era.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think everybody's got to be careful. Every
Speaker 2: team that wins the championship, we are convinced is just
Speaker 2: gonna keep winning championships. And we have six new champions
Speaker 2: over the last six years, just so the if you
Speaker 2: win the When the Bucks won the title, nobody thought
Speaker 2: they weren't set up to just keep winning titles. Nobody
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that was a fluke, No way that's sustainable.
Speaker 2: And the next year Chris Middleton got hurt and they
Speaker 2: haven't been passed the second round since then. When the
Speaker 2: Warriors won their last one, they were the favorites going
Speaker 2: into the next year. But I don't know that people
Speaker 2: thought necessarily they were set up for a long run
Speaker 2: because they had already had their run. Certainly, when the
Speaker 2: Nuggets won their title, up until a month ago, everyone
Speaker 2: thought they were in the midst of what was going
Speaker 2: to be the Nuggets era. And now everyone's gonna think
Speaker 2: that about Boston. Now they're set up better than the
Speaker 2: Raptors in nineteen who knew they were probably losing Kawhi Leonard.
Speaker 2: But very as we have learned, very hard to repeat.
Speaker 2: So I'm not ready to talk about dynasty.
Speaker 3: I do think as far as the deepness and the
Speaker 3: depth of the team, I just don't think all those
Speaker 3: other teams to described didn't have five six guys I
Speaker 3: could do it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 2: Denver did, I mean Dinver? Denver was very similar. Denver
Speaker 2: had five starters you love plus Bruce Brown and then
Speaker 2: lost Bruce Brown. The Celtics have five starters you love
Speaker 2: plus Al Horford. I wouldn't. I think it's on the board.
Speaker 2: Horford retires now that he's won the tie, He's got
Speaker 2: one year leftones steal, but I think it's on the
Speaker 2: board he retires. So Milwaukee, everyone now thinks Milwaukee wasn't
Speaker 2: this great team. Milwaukee, you know, had Drew Holliday, but
Speaker 2: he was three years younger. Middleton was coming off his
Speaker 2: best postseason. Giannis was a fire breathing dragon. Milwaukee looked
Speaker 2: pretty damn good. And so I I think Boston is,
Speaker 2: you know, the a front line contender for next year.
Speaker 2: But I do think it is too early to talk dynasty, obviously,
Speaker 2: and I'm not even I'm not yet penciling them in
Speaker 2: as repeat champs, because as we're seeing in this era
Speaker 2: of the NBA, repeat jamps are very hard to come by.
Speaker 2: Now let's get to Luca.
Speaker 4: Go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yes, so Luca obviously wasn't able to get it done
Speaker 3: by himself and his supporting cast. So now you're set
Speaker 3: with an off season of listening a whiles to play
Speaker 3: the piano.
Speaker 4: I think I missed that part of the show. But
Speaker 4: how much how much is as.
Speaker 3: How much does a loss like this effect Luca's legacy?
Speaker 2: Well, so I'll do legacy first, then I'll get to
Speaker 2: your point about whether or not I overrated him. Okay,
Speaker 2: so here's the legacy piece. Luca, because of this finals appearance,
Speaker 2: is back on schedule. And by on schedule, I mean
Speaker 2: when he came into the league, I thought his ceiling
Speaker 2: was top ten all time player, and he now has
Speaker 2: the through six years through age twenty five resume of
Speaker 2: a guy on that trajectory. He just does. As far
Speaker 2: as he's been in the league six years, he's been
Speaker 2: first team All NBA five times. He has now been
Speaker 2: to an NBA Finals and a conference finals. Last year
Speaker 2: he got himself off schedule. He had been on schedule
Speaker 2: each year. So rookie year, Rookie of Rookie year, he's
Speaker 2: Rookie of the Year, second year first Team All NBA
Speaker 2: awesome in the playoffs, lose as an underdoging Round one.
Speaker 2: Third year first Team All NBA even better in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: losing seven to a better team, same team the Clippers
Speaker 2: in round one. Fourth year make the conference finals after
Speaker 2: being first Team All NBA at age twenty three. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is exactly the way an all time great player goes.
Speaker 2: Fifth year first Team All NBA missed the playoffs. Now,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're in trouble, and then six
Speaker 2: year got right back on track. And I can show
Speaker 2: you this graphic that we made that Again, it's not
Speaker 2: going to translate to the pod quite as well, but
Speaker 2: we can go full screen with it and I'll try
Speaker 2: to explain to the listening audience. On the right hand side.
Speaker 2: What you see is how many first Team All nbas
Speaker 2: the active guys have, so Lebron obviously as the most,
Speaker 2: and it's almost an unfair standard. So for Lebron, he's
Speaker 2: got thirteen first Team All NBAS, which is a farce
Speaker 2: almost along with ten finals appearances and four rings. KD
Speaker 2: has right there, he has five or six first Team
Speaker 2: All NBAS and in those first Team All NBA seasons,
Speaker 2: one ring and one other finals appearances. Giannis has six
Speaker 2: first Team All Nbas hardened at six first Team All Nbas,
Speaker 2: and then there is Louuka with five, Steph Ad Joker,
Speaker 2: CP three all have four, Tatum and Guy have three.
Speaker 2: Then if you go to the history of it as
Speaker 2: far as where Luca is twenty four and underseasons, no
Speaker 2: one ever has more First Team All Nbas and the
Speaker 2: only guys with four who have been to the NBA
Speaker 2: Finals are Durant and Duncan. Duncan of course won the title,
Speaker 2: so he is right on track where he should be now.
Speaker 2: So I don't think his legacy takes a hit. I
Speaker 2: think this was good for his legacy this season. Now
Speaker 2: Here is where demons asked, did I overrate him? I
Speaker 2: don't think I overrated him. I do think I overestimated
Speaker 2: how good he'd be in this series US. He finishes
Speaker 2: the series twenty nine, nine and six on forty seven
Speaker 2: percent shooting and had a bad three point shooting series,
Speaker 2: real bad shooting twenty four percent from three. He needed
Speaker 2: to be better, and while the whole world was killing
Speaker 2: Luca for his defense in Game three, as I tried
Speaker 2: to make the point the MAVs did not lose this
Speaker 2: series because of defense. They lost this series because of offense. Now,
Speaker 2: Boston's defense gets credit for that, but Lucas supposed to
Speaker 2: be the skeleton key to solve all of that, and
Speaker 2: he wasn't able to. In order for the MAVs to
Speaker 2: win this series, Luca honestly needed to be thirty five,
Speaker 2: nine and nine and that would have that would have
Speaker 2: given them a fighting chance. I thought he would do that.
Speaker 2: He didn't, So does this make me reevaluate him? Now?
Speaker 2: Now I will say this, finally a little good news
Speaker 2: for Daniel. He doesn't get to be called the best
Speaker 2: player in the league. Uh oh, well, I know that
Speaker 2: was your follow up, de Monze, so we can skip
Speaker 2: that follow up. But no, joker retains the title. I
Speaker 2: felt it was available. If Luca had willed this MAVs
Speaker 2: team to a championship, I would have been comfortable saying
Speaker 2: he's the best player in the league. But there's no
Speaker 2: one in league history who has held the title best
Speaker 2: player in the League before they either have won an
Speaker 2: MVP or multiple or won a championship. The only possible
Speaker 2: exception would be maybe Lebron at twenty two after he
Speaker 2: got to the finals with that forty eight special, but
Speaker 2: the very next year he won MVP, and I think
Speaker 2: most people at that moment still thought it was probably Kobe,
Speaker 2: even if I thought it was Lebron so or maybe
Speaker 2: they thought it was Duncan. So he's not we're not
Speaker 2: able to go him best player in the league. But
Speaker 2: he's checked off all the boxes you're supposed to check
Speaker 2: off at age twenty five. And all the guys who
Speaker 2: are you know on that short list, none of them
Speaker 2: were winning titles before age twenty five, except for Magic,
Speaker 2: who had Kareem. Kareem who did win his I think
Speaker 2: at twenty five might have been twenty four his second Yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess he was twenty four second year Bird and
Speaker 2: then Duncan of course.
Speaker 3: But go ahead right with those check if they had
Speaker 3: Lebron James I call it twenty sixteen Lebron James on
Speaker 3: this team. Do you think they would have been able
Speaker 3: to win the series? Because yes, I think that goes
Speaker 3: Intead instead of Luca.
Speaker 4: Obviously.
Speaker 3: I think that goes hand in hand with you saying
Speaker 3: they had the guy. That's what I was saying, like
Speaker 3: the like, hold on, but.
Speaker 2: You got but we gotta be fair. You asked me
Speaker 2: if they had twenty sixteen Lebron, I think they would
Speaker 2: have won the series. Lebron was twenty five though, in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. So if they had O nine Lebron,
Speaker 2: would they have won the series? I think they would have.
Speaker 2: I think they would have done better. I ain't, but
Speaker 2: I don't know that they would have won the series
Speaker 2: because oh nine Lebron, you know, to be fair, he
Speaker 2: hadn't won a title yet either. Now, I here's the
Speaker 2: thing for well, let me see the uh well, I'll
Speaker 2: get to that in a second. I but I don't
Speaker 2: think I said top ten all time Demanse. I didn't
Speaker 2: say number one all time. So instead of comparing him
Speaker 2: to Lebron, let's compare him to if they had twenty
Speaker 2: five year old Kobe. Do I think they would have
Speaker 2: won the series? No? If they had twenty five year
Speaker 2: old Steph, do I think they would have won the series? No?
Speaker 2: If they had twenty five year old check d do
Speaker 2: I think they would have won the series? No? I
Speaker 2: don't twenty five year old Durant. No. You know those
Speaker 2: guys who live in that eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve range,
Speaker 2: like I don't think they would have h now again Luca.
Speaker 2: I would give Luca for this series a B minus.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was great. He had great moments,
Speaker 2: but I don't think he was great. Now. Was he
Speaker 2: banged up? Sure, but that gets us to actually believe
Speaker 2: it or not your follow up, So let's go ahead
Speaker 2: and go to your criticism follow up.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, Luca obviously has received a lot of criticism
Speaker 3: throughout this series. How do you think that he'll bounce
Speaker 3: back next year?
Speaker 2: So I don't have as big of a problem with
Speaker 2: Luca's defense as everyone else does. I just there is
Speaker 2: there is only one guy in league history who was
Speaker 2: asked to run an offense, create all of the shots
Speaker 2: for everyone else, do everything on that end, and be
Speaker 2: a great defender. There's only one guy, and it's Lebron.
Speaker 2: Everyone else Magic was not asked to be a great defender.
Speaker 2: Steph is not asked to be a great defender. Kobe
Speaker 2: was a great defender, but Kobe also was not creating
Speaker 2: offense for other people. Obviously, you know the bigs. It's
Speaker 2: a different story. Bird was a good defender. So if
Speaker 2: we want to say Bird is maybe the closest comp
Speaker 2: that's fine, but Bird was not a great defender, and
Speaker 2: so we have to be fair about what we're asking
Speaker 2: of the guy. So with that said, here is what
Speaker 2: is true, and this demands you're gonna agree with me,
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna give a Oh now you think,
Speaker 2: now you say it? Take no, no, I mean he again,
Speaker 2: he spoon feeds everyone their baskets. This whole, this whole
Speaker 2: idea that he's a that Kyrie thrived with him. If
Speaker 2: you can create your own shot, Luca will defer to you.
Speaker 2: If all you can do is catch lobs or hit threes,
Speaker 2: Lucas gonna have to create for you. So stylistically, I
Speaker 2: don't think he has to change. So I disagree with that.
Speaker 2: But this is the thing that I'm gonna say that.
Speaker 2: I think you're gonna be like, yeah, now you now
Speaker 2: you say it. He needs to be in better shape.
Speaker 2: That part is true. I mean he he does need
Speaker 2: to take his conditioning and fitness more seriously. I don't
Speaker 2: think he is. I And here's the deal. He is
Speaker 2: in good enough shape to get by if he were
Speaker 2: not asked or wanted to do everything he does offensively.
Speaker 2: But run like that The secret to Lebron being able
Speaker 2: to do everything he did on that end of the
Speaker 2: court and be what he was defensively and go to
Speaker 2: AID straight finals and play in one hundred game seasons
Speaker 2: year after year after year after year. Was the guy's
Speaker 2: in the best shape of anyone in the league, and
Speaker 2: Luca is never going to be that, But he needs, in.
Speaker 4: What way more shape?
Speaker 3: Once upon, as I haven't seen older clips of him,
Speaker 3: he's picked up.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I think the clip. So two things. One
Speaker 2: is I think the clip you saw that everyone is
Speaker 2: showing is bubble Luca. So I think that there is
Speaker 2: a distinguishing factor there that everyone has forgotten, which is
Speaker 2: why were they in the bubble Because there was a
Speaker 2: pandemic going on. They were locked in Disney World and
Speaker 2: all they were allowed to do was play basketball. Everyone
Speaker 2: was in better shape, every single person in that bubble.
Speaker 2: It's like there's no going out, there's no drinking, there's
Speaker 2: no partying. We are just hooping. So I think there
Speaker 2: is that. And this is where I will say the
Speaker 2: injury is not an excuse, But I do think the
Speaker 2: injury a hurt his ability to stay in shape and
Speaker 2: the way he would like to and made him appear slower,
Speaker 2: but he's obviously carrying a little too much weight. That's fair.
Speaker 2: So to take that next step, he needs to cut.
Speaker 2: Joker did it, and Joker's not in the Jokers like indefatigable,
Speaker 2: but he also he as he is not as heavy
Speaker 2: as he was four years ago, and it helped him.
Speaker 2: And so that is the next step for Luca. Uh so,
Speaker 2: I you know, I is Luca's hookahs closing down. I
Speaker 2: don't know. If they had won the title, then he
Speaker 2: can drink all the beer and smoke all the hook
Speaker 2: he wants. I give himself a few weeks of that,
Speaker 2: but then he's got to get back to the gym.
Speaker 2: All right, go ahead.
Speaker 3: So this Dallas team this year exceeded expectations. Uh do
Speaker 3: you expect them to be near this spot anytime soon?
Speaker 2: Tough? I mean they have a Derek Lively was excellent
Speaker 2: as a rookie. Gafford was good, a good acquisition. I
Speaker 2: like some of the young pieces, but man, it's hard.
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks we're going to get right back there. You
Speaker 2: don't always. And so it is going to take Luca
Speaker 2: getting to a tick. Like Luca at least maintaining, if
Speaker 2: not getting a tick better. And then the real wild
Speaker 2: card is Kyrie's health. Is Kyrie gonna have a year
Speaker 2: as healthy as this year and where he's healthy in
Speaker 2: the playoffs? I don't, I don't know. So it's very,
Speaker 2: very difficult to get back. Let's let's ask the chat question.
Speaker 3: Brandon asked, when is Luca leaving Dallas because of Kyrie?
Speaker 4: When is he demanding his trade? You claimed, is that
Speaker 4: still on the table?
Speaker 2: So this, Brandon, while I I I appreciate you watching
Speaker 2: the show, Uh, this is something that you know has
Speaker 2: been addressed multiple times, which is I have been so
Speaker 2: blown away by Kyrie's maturity, professionalism, all of it over
Speaker 2: the last year and a half that he has correctly
Speaker 2: changed my opinion of him. So you know, I got
Speaker 2: that what last year I picked the MAVs to win
Speaker 2: the championship, and then when they traded for Kyrie. I
Speaker 2: said what Brandon said, I said, which is he's going
Speaker 2: to be you know, when Luca ends up demanding out
Speaker 2: of Dallas, this is going to be one of those dominoes.
Speaker 2: I don't feel that way anymore. I also do not
Speaker 2: feel like one run to the finals all of a
Speaker 2: sudden guarantees Luka mav for life. Giannis won the title,
Speaker 2: and two years later they made a panic trade because
Speaker 2: they thought he was gonna leave. So there are anybody
Speaker 2: claiming that there are multi year horizons guaranteeing someone is
Speaker 2: staying somewhere, I think doesn't understand the modern MBA. I
Speaker 2: just don't. So. Right now, the MAVs are in good shape.
Speaker 2: But let something go awry next year and all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, that is a massive topic of conversation. Again,
Speaker 2: and so especially, let me check the way Luca's contract works.
Speaker 2: Luca is so, Luca's under contract for two more years
Speaker 2: and then has a player option the following year. The
Speaker 2: point is this next year is a critical year for Dallas.
Speaker 2: They go backwards and Luca all of a sudden catches it,
Speaker 2: starts catching a ton of heat. Then everything's available once again.
Speaker 2: And I'm not putting that on Kyrie. That is simply
Speaker 2: the reality of the modern NBA. Again, Giannis won the title,
Speaker 2: won the title, and within two years the Bucks were
Speaker 2: so terrified he was going to demand a trade that
Speaker 2: they kind of made a panic move. They fired Boat Budenholtzer,
Speaker 2: they hired Adrian Griffin, They traded Drew Holliday for Damiens
Speaker 2: for Damian Lillard, which ended up maybe winning a title
Speaker 2: for Boston. It's crazy how things work out. Quick break
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Speaker 2: and to the Caitlin Clerk discussion. I am going to
Speaker 2: this is I this is my Father's Day present to
Speaker 2: myself is doing this segment on the air because and
Speaker 2: any father out there, any parent out there of a
Speaker 2: young kid, I want you to know. I'm gonna use
Speaker 2: the quote that I've used before. John Lopez, my old
Speaker 2: radio partner in Houston, one of the best human beings
Speaker 2: I've ever met, told me when Deanna was born. The
Speaker 2: day Deanna was born, every age is the best age.
Speaker 2: And he had kids that were at that point, one
Speaker 2: in just started college, one was finishing college, and one
Speaker 2: who was I think you're right, Jacob, his oldest son,
Speaker 2: was how old you are?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? I think he is. I
Speaker 2: think Jacob was like twenty five twenty six at the time,
Speaker 2: and his point was, there isn't a best age, It's
Speaker 2: just every age is the best. And so I am
Speaker 2: now I now am a full believer in that philosophy.
Speaker 2: And nothing made me feel it more than when I
Speaker 2: got Demanse's Father's Day present to me, and so I so,
Speaker 2: and I loved it demands before I even opened it,
Speaker 2: because you and I, in so many ways are the
Speaker 2: same person. So first of all, America, I'm going to
Speaker 2: cover this. It came in a Priority Express overnight envelope,
Speaker 2: which this costs thirty dollars. Thirty dollars because much like
Speaker 2: how I am, instead of going to the post office
Speaker 2: three days early, went the last possible minute and then
Speaker 2: felt a real twinge of guilt. I am certain when
Speaker 2: you saw, like, wait, when will it get there? If
Speaker 2: I pay I if this cost me fifty cents, when
Speaker 2: will it get there? Well? Not on time? What if
Speaker 2: I do the two day shipping, which America always do
Speaker 2: the two day it's sometimes cheaper than ground anyway, and
Speaker 2: it really does get there in two days. Oh, the
Speaker 2: two day will cost nine dollars. Well, damn it, I
Speaker 2: think that's gonna be late. What will overnight cost? Overnight's
Speaker 2: gonna be thirty dollars? All right, screw it, I'll pay it.
Speaker 2: That is what without knowing, that's what happened. That's what happened.
Speaker 2: So I got this and then in it is a
Speaker 2: great card that I won't read, but it is a
Speaker 2: great card. But also in the card is fifty dollars
Speaker 2: cash and an Apple gift card. And I will read
Speaker 2: one little line which says at the end of it,
Speaker 2: we should be even, and then some on the clash bill.
Speaker 2: And that is for because demon'say, once upon a time
Speaker 2: rolled up quite the charges on Clash of Clans on
Speaker 2: my Apple account, and might occasionally still roll up a
Speaker 2: few five dollars charges via Clash of Clans. So he
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, what do you get the
Speaker 2: man that has everything? How about I pay him back
Speaker 2: for some of these iTunes charges that started when I
Speaker 2: was about fifteen and still occasionally show up and so
Speaker 2: much appreciated. I will put this Apple card on the account.
Speaker 2: But it made me so happy seeing that it was
Speaker 2: an overnight thing and then all of it would go ahead.
Speaker 2: It made me so happy.
Speaker 3: Pal, love you, Pop's Happy Father's Day. You got that
Speaker 3: on it? You got that Sunday? You got that Saturday
Speaker 3: night or Sunday? Right, you didn't get it. You didn't
Speaker 3: get it yesterday? Did you get it yesterday?
Speaker 2: Unfortunately you paid the thirty dollars and it came in
Speaker 2: the morning. I know you're mad, I know you're I
Speaker 2: know you're mad. That was the other thing. You paid
Speaker 2: all this extra to make sure it would get there
Speaker 2: on time, and they still fried you. They still got
Speaker 2: it to me on Monday, but go ahead.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was funny because we had we had
Speaker 3: talked in like you had you hadn't said anything about it,
Speaker 3: but I thought it was just you forgot to mention it.
Speaker 4: So you did so.
Speaker 3: Uh that that iTunes gift card, don't try to put
Speaker 3: it into your phone.
Speaker 4: I mean going to the Roffs.
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of fraud on the iTunes cards,
Speaker 3: so they don't put money on them, like you can't
Speaker 3: literally you literally can't buy them. I put that in
Speaker 3: there so you would also like know that.
Speaker 4: That was what was fun to.
Speaker 3: Understand, Like the encrypted we should be even on the
Speaker 3: clash bill, but that was just like basically set up
Speaker 3: like this is what that's for.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right, well that's good. It also means
Speaker 2: it also means that the present was half of what
Speaker 2: I thought it was. I thought it was one hundred dollars,
Speaker 2: but it was fifty. Because this does say something, but
Speaker 2: now I get it. So this is an unactivated Apple
Speaker 2: card to sing I couldn't activate us. I got you
Speaker 2: to signify the fifty dollars cash is for the clash
Speaker 2: of clans. Okay, so be it. That's fair. I also
Speaker 2: I the I that makes me happy actually because I said,
Speaker 2: because I opened it in front of your mom. And
Speaker 2: your mom's so funny. She's like, he's such a good boy,
Speaker 2: like he's twenty five years old. I don't know if
Speaker 2: good boy is the way we should be phrasing it,
Speaker 2: but but I said to her, I was like this
Speaker 2: too much. I was like, this is one hundred and
Speaker 2: thirty dollars you spent on father's And I was like,
Speaker 2: the guy, this guy's working hard for his money. So
Speaker 2: that makes me feel a little bit better. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: get to Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: So Caitlin Clark is trending again after the hard foul
Speaker 3: that Angel Reese gave her. She kind of clocked her
Speaker 3: in the head, looked like she was going for the ball. Ye,
Speaker 3: honest mistake, but the flower the foul was upgraded so
Speaker 3: flagrant and even seeing n covered it. U do you
Speaker 3: think that this, uh that this is good for Angel
Speaker 3: Reese and Caitlin Clark's rivalry.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's good as long as it doesn't
Speaker 2: mm hmm that screw it. Listen, folks, I gotta we
Speaker 2: gotta have a to steal a line from poker player,
Speaker 2: uh Jaffy his dankness on Twitter. We gotta have an
Speaker 2: uncomfortable conversation, all right, Uh, because folks that are trying
Speaker 2: to chase social media fame or dollars are using Angel
Speaker 2: and Caitlin Clark as race war centuries to try to
Speaker 2: fan the flames and get people angry and really make
Speaker 2: it to where if you support Caitlin Clark, you don't
Speaker 2: like black people, and if you support if you don't,
Speaker 2: if you support Angel Reese, you are signifying something about
Speaker 2: how you feel about Caitlin Clark's coverage. And it is
Speaker 2: transparent what's happening. And it is also working to the
Speaker 2: point to where here's an anecdote for you, Demansey. So everyone,
Speaker 2: not because I think it was so profound, but just
Speaker 2: it will better inform this discussion. If you get a chance,
Speaker 2: go to my Twitter and watch what I said on
Speaker 2: TV about the flagrant foul, which wasn't really anything about
Speaker 2: the flagrant foul. It was actually just about the basketball.
Speaker 2: Because I look at I always kind of look at
Speaker 2: the take landscape and I try to see I'm like,
Speaker 2: where is Where's their available real estate? And I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 2: there's a weird thing happening with the WNBA, which is
Speaker 2: it is being discussed more than ever, and yet I
Speaker 2: haven't heard anyone make the point. The Fever actually have
Speaker 2: won after starting zero to five, They've won five of
Speaker 2: their last ten, three of their last four. They're not
Speaker 2: playing back to backs anymore. They are currently in the
Speaker 2: playoffs if they started today. And you know, nobody's talking
Speaker 2: about the actual basketball of it. So I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's available real estate. So I'll plant my flag there
Speaker 2: because I think it's interesting and if people want the
Speaker 2: actual basketball part of it, maybe they'll think of me,
Speaker 2: and first things first, that we have interesting things to
Speaker 2: say on it. So the reason I say everyone should
Speaker 2: go watch this clip is because I just talked about
Speaker 2: the basketball of it, about how Angel and Caitlin have
Speaker 2: been the two best rookies by far, that they're holding
Speaker 2: up their end on the basketball court, that Caitlin is
Speaker 2: one of two players in the league averaging at least
Speaker 2: fifteen to five and five one of seven players in
Speaker 2: the league that is in the top twenty five and points,
Speaker 2: rebounds and assists and that, yeah, that is a that's
Speaker 2: a flagrant foul inasmuch as intent doesn't matter if you
Speaker 2: hit him in the head. So I don't think Angel
Speaker 2: was targeting Caitlyn's head. But I think the way the
Speaker 2: rule is written, forcible contact to the head, even if
Speaker 2: it's part of a basketball play, is a flagrant one,
Speaker 2: not a flagrant two, but a flagrant one. So I
Speaker 2: don't think Angel was out of luck. I also think
Speaker 2: it was a flagrant. I also think it's pretty clear
Speaker 2: that that is a real, real rivalry. My old speech
Speaker 2: impediment just caught up to me for the first time
Speaker 2: in a long time, something people may or may not
Speaker 2: know about me. I used to not be able to
Speaker 2: say my r's or my l's, so words like real
Speaker 2: and rivalry or world anything with an R and an
Speaker 2: L together. Rivalry is a tough one. We got an
Speaker 2: R on the front end era for that. Except for
Speaker 2: that and then real rivalry, I was, I mean, all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I flashed back thirty years to speech
Speaker 2: therapy try to get it together. I was like, how
Speaker 2: do you do that one? But uh, they have a
Speaker 2: real rivalry Okay, that's good. I have heard for so long.
Speaker 2: You know what's wrong with the NBA. Everybody's two buddy, buddy,
Speaker 2: these girls ain't They had a rivalry in college. It
Speaker 2: is extended to the pros it it's great. And do
Speaker 2: are there underlying racial dynamics to it? Yes? There are,
Speaker 2: even if for even if there isn't for either one
Speaker 2: of them specifically, they exist. The coverage the Iowa women's
Speaker 2: team got after losing to the LSU women's team, the
Speaker 2: coverage the LSU women's team got, you know where. They
Speaker 2: tried to invite the Iowa women's team to the White
Speaker 2: House as well, even though they hadn't won the title.
Speaker 2: The way the LSU women's team was painted compared to
Speaker 2: the Iowa women's team last year, there, of course, race
Speaker 2: played a part in it. You would be insane to
Speaker 2: act like it didn't, Okay, but you have to be
Speaker 2: able to acknowledge that and then also acknowledge that Caitlin
Speaker 2: Clark is excellent. This idea that she is some white
Speaker 2: girl media creation, like as if she is some on
Speaker 2: a corner coova of old reference of the WNBA is
Speaker 2: belied by the fact that games are played and she
Speaker 2: puts up numbers and she is now contributing to winning.
Speaker 2: And then if you wanted to act like Angel Reese
Speaker 2: is more celebrity than player and she that is belied
Speaker 2: by the fact that she is averaging the second most
Speaker 2: points of any rookie in the WNBA, only to Caitlin,
Speaker 2: and the most rebounds of any rookie in the WNBA.
Speaker 2: They have both been excellent. So here's why this whole
Speaker 2: thing has gone off the rails. And this was the
Speaker 2: point I was gonna make to you, and I interrupted
Speaker 2: myself three times. That was a classic meme moment. I
Speaker 2: went on like six tangents within my own point. The
Speaker 2: reason I said watch my clip from yesterday is my
Speaker 2: clip is just talking basketball and people demands slid into
Speaker 2: your mother's DMS saying, essentially, I hope what your husband
Speaker 2: said about Angel Reyese yesterday opened your eyes to how
Speaker 2: all white people really think about us like a real Hey,
Speaker 2: he's not on the right side on this. And when
Speaker 2: it comes to this topic, everyone is exposing themselves. And
Speaker 2: the reason that was even worth mentioning is because I
Speaker 2: believe the social media bad actors and the media in
Speaker 2: some ways and some of our politicians have succeeded in
Speaker 2: making this where you must pick aside along racial lines.
Speaker 2: If you want to present yourself as someone that is
Speaker 2: in favor of social justice and equality and causes that
Speaker 2: many of us have a longstanding history of being on
Speaker 2: the correct side of, you must then go on TV
Speaker 2: and say Angel Reese has handled everything perfectly and basically
Speaker 2: Caitlyn Clark is a whiny baby. Even though Caitlin has
Speaker 2: never complained about any of it. All she's done is say,
Speaker 2: it's basketball, we play hard. I like, I don't. I
Speaker 2: can't speak to the biggest Caitlin Clark fans. I can't,
Speaker 2: and a lot of might be out of their minds.
Speaker 2: But that's not tell me if you disagree with me.
Speaker 2: To Monsey, that's not Caitlin's fault. The fact that she
Speaker 2: that there are people who are now bad actors in
Speaker 2: the other direction who are saying she is being targeted
Speaker 2: because she's white, or saying that she was left off
Speaker 2: the Olympic team because there's an anti Caitlin conspiracy, which
Speaker 2: is really an anti white conspiracy. Those people are objectively insane,
Speaker 2: But that's not on her. I don't think that's on
Speaker 2: her when she has answered every question the right way,
Speaker 2: and I will not I personally will not allow these
Speaker 2: social media charlatans to win where they have made a
Speaker 2: clear obvious goal of making this be a racial dividing
Speaker 2: line pick aside. I think that's bullshit, and I think
Speaker 2: it's toxic, and I am here saying I think these
Speaker 2: two young women have either one of them handled it
Speaker 2: all perfectly if I were handling it for them, No,
Speaker 2: if I were. If I were handling it for Caitlin,
Speaker 2: I would have taken a more vocal stance earlier about
Speaker 2: her name being used for devisive purposes she eventually did.
Speaker 2: I would have done it a little earlier. And if
Speaker 2: I were handling things for Angel, I would have talked
Speaker 2: with her about, Hey, we got to decide do we
Speaker 2: want to be the villain or do we not? Because
Speaker 2: like there are at times it feels like she's straddling,
Speaker 2: Like after this last game when she there was a
Speaker 2: little bit of a the refs took control of the game, Like,
Speaker 2: that's not villain behavior. Villain behavior as I went for
Speaker 2: a block, Sorry, I hit her in the head. It's basketball,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like owning it, owning it,
Speaker 2: So I don't think either one has handled it perfectly,
Speaker 2: but I wouldn't expect anyone in their early twenties with
Speaker 2: this level of scrutiny and fame to handle anything perfectly.
Speaker 2: But I like them both. They were both dope as
Speaker 2: hell in college, they're both being they are en route
Speaker 2: to being dope as hell in the WNBA and this
Speaker 2: whole thing where you've got And I never both sides
Speaker 2: things because typically when it comes to important issues, I
Speaker 2: happen to think one side is batten about nine hundred
Speaker 2: and the other sides batten about one hundred. So I
Speaker 2: don't like both sides of it on this one. I
Speaker 2: think there have been some very influential bad actors on
Speaker 2: both sides. There are obvious ones on the Caitland side
Speaker 2: of things, Nikki Haley, that stupid congress person in Indiana
Speaker 2: that was trying to pass a law related to Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 2: Those folks are obvious. And then there are folks that,
Speaker 2: to me, are more subtle about it, just clearly trying
Speaker 2: to turn, if you will, sections of Black America against
Speaker 2: Caitlin Clark, and I find it it is so disappointing.
Speaker 2: And so that's my take on This is more about
Speaker 2: how it is being covered and how people are consuming it.
Speaker 2: And I and I'm gonna add one other thing. The
Speaker 2: fact that people now get a check or a direct
Speaker 2: deposit if their tweets getting agement, I think is a
Speaker 2: wildly damaging phenomenon. It incentivizes in a way we've not
Speaker 2: just like oh, I can grow a following and then
Speaker 2: maybe sell it off one day, like Dove Climban allegedly did.
Speaker 2: But no, you get a literal direct deposit from Twitter,
Speaker 2: depending if you're you know, pay for the blue check
Speaker 2: mark or get the blue check mark, you get money
Speaker 2: in your account. It depending on how much engagement your
Speaker 2: suff gits each month. It it yes, correct, It just
Speaker 2: incentivizes bad behavior. It and there there's the banal bad behavior,
Speaker 2: which is one of those anonymous and the NBA aggregator
Speaker 2: accounts tweeting out oh man, the Sam Houser sweepstakes. This
Speaker 2: summer is gonna be bananas where you tweet things just
Speaker 2: trying to get dunked on like that. It's become a
Speaker 2: thing because you can get paid off that. But then
Speaker 2: there's way worse, which is, you know, trying to fan
Speaker 2: the flames of racial disunity. So I don't like it.
Speaker 2: I don't like it one little bit. So, oh my god,
Speaker 2: it's almost noon. Okay, well I've screwed up the clock
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Speaker 2: let's get to a question that I wanted to get
Speaker 2: to last week but we didn't have time, and apologies.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll do the same thing on Thursday with some
Speaker 2: of your questions from today. We've just been running late
Speaker 2: on all these shows and I have to get to TV. Demante,
Speaker 2: go ahead and read the question.
Speaker 3: I think Cooper asks or says Lucas Josh Allen. He's
Speaker 3: simultaneously their only chance and the reason they can't win.
Speaker 2: So Brent Hanks, great poker broadcaster, formerly great poker player,
Speaker 2: but he's lost his fastball considerably. Brent Hanks made this.
Speaker 2: He's a diehard Buffalo Bills fan. He made this comp
Speaker 2: to me and you can follow him on Twitter at
Speaker 2: Buffalo Hanks. Tell him that I'm talking about him. Made
Speaker 2: this comp to me months ago, that Luke is Josh
Speaker 2: Allen and I love one and crushed the other, and
Speaker 2: that I that I need to see the similarities on
Speaker 2: its face. I understand the similarities, which is wow. He
Speaker 2: does all these things well, but then also there are
Speaker 2: some drawbacks. He's not the best, but is he the
Speaker 2: second best? I get all of that. The way though
Speaker 2: he would be the comp would work is if Luca
Speaker 2: hadn't made this NBA final, and it was because he
Speaker 2: just keeps losing to the same guy year after year
Speaker 2: after year. That of course, is not Lucas story. That is, however,
Speaker 2: Josh Allen's story. So I understand the surface level comps,
Speaker 2: but not past that. By the way, speaking of poker,
Speaker 2: we're gonna do a pod Thursday. We are not gonna
Speaker 2: do a pod Tuesday because I'm gonna be in Vegas
Speaker 2: playing in the World Series of Poker, playing in a
Speaker 2: few events, programming update live on the fly. Found out. Yes,
Speaker 2: I didn't know that I was gonna be doing that
Speaker 2: because if there was a Game seven of the finals,
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna be able to go. But no Game seven,
Speaker 2: which means I'm actually not on TV Monday, Tuesday or
Speaker 2: Wednesday because of the Euros. So instead of taking five
Speaker 2: days to rest and recuperate, I'm flying to Vegas to
Speaker 2: play poker. See you guys Thursday, See you on TV
Speaker 2: in about an hour with Colin see on my show
Speaker 2: in about three hours.
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