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Speaker 2: After now Here are Bill Jones, Savannah Humuller, Everson Wolves,
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Speaker 3: the Monday after what we must win? We will win.
Speaker 3: When is the name of the game? Where were you
Speaker 3: thirty five years ago? Last night?
Speaker 4: What the hell happened? Thirty five years ago?
Speaker 2: You got it? Just told you?
Speaker 3: Owner and head coach, February twenty fifth, nineteen telling me, Chris,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell he's talking February twenty fifth,
Speaker 3: nineteen nine. Walls your life changed.
Speaker 5: Well it was about Okay, that's the case. Yeah, you're
Speaker 5: right about that. If I know what it is now,
Speaker 5: you're right there, you go. Yeah, for the good though,
Speaker 5: for the good though, adventure.
Speaker 6: I was sitting in the press conference and yourself, where
Speaker 6: were you?
Speaker 3: I was in San Antonio actually working in San Antonio.
Speaker 3: I didn't come here until nineteen ninety.
Speaker 6: So they didn't ship you here for in Savanna Humuller,
Speaker 6: where were you.
Speaker 5: There?
Speaker 6: You got it of her parents, imagine parents.
Speaker 3: Yet yes whenever. In fact, I did not realize it
Speaker 3: was February twenty fifth until I looked at my watch
Speaker 3: and I saw I was a twenty fifth. This is
Speaker 3: your day. So it bought the Cowboys thirty five years
Speaker 3: ago yesterday.
Speaker 6: It was also Frank Lux's birthday?
Speaker 3: Was it really in his his which was a Saturday?
Speaker 3: So his birthday party got destroyed Saturday night at.
Speaker 6: Valley Bridge, although we did after everybody finished their stories,
Speaker 6: we reconvened in tech Shram's office. And you know the
Speaker 6: the weird part about the press conference? Did you happen
Speaker 6: to listen to it?
Speaker 3: Ever?
Speaker 4: Since I did not?
Speaker 6: It was it was no and I don't think it
Speaker 6: was live.
Speaker 3: I think it was well I was in San Antonio,
Speaker 3: but I assume it was carried by the local TV
Speaker 3: stations here. So it was a real that monumental moment.
Speaker 6: It was a real weird thing because on one hand,
Speaker 6: you had the Jones family kind of celebrate. It was
Speaker 6: a big deal, right, Yeah, although holding their breath because
Speaker 6: they just spent all their money to buy the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: And then next to it was tech Shram and it
Speaker 6: was like.
Speaker 4: A funeral, yes, right that I do remember.
Speaker 6: The twenty nine years that the you know, organization had
Speaker 6: been under one basically roof one coach, one nine years,
Speaker 6: one president earlier in.
Speaker 3: Jerry had or in the afternoon, Jerry had gone down
Speaker 3: to Austin to personally let coach Landry know that he's
Speaker 3: no longer the coach of the count And.
Speaker 6: There were all these people in the organization that had
Speaker 6: been there for twenty nine years, so that was not
Speaker 6: a celebration for them, no, and it was It was
Speaker 6: really a weird thing.
Speaker 5: And uh, I do remember text looking just looking like
Speaker 5: he was not doing well.
Speaker 6: I mean, if you think about it, he was in
Speaker 6: the main seat all the time and when the press
Speaker 6: conference began, he didn't have a seat. He was standing
Speaker 6: up right. So when we all finished eleven eleven thirty
Speaker 6: writing or whatever, we ended up in Texas office and
Speaker 6: we were he was at his desk, he only had
Speaker 6: a couple of chairs. The rest of us were sitting
Speaker 6: on the floor, right, and uh and Frank hadn't said
Speaker 6: anything yet. And then finally it was getting close to midnight.
Speaker 6: He goes, well, I better get up finish my birthday.
Speaker 4: My wife's waiting for me.
Speaker 2: It was midnight.
Speaker 6: She ain't waiting for you, But yeah, right, birthday.
Speaker 5: I just remember, you know, at the time, you know,
Speaker 5: the teams, as far as the players were concerned, Uh,
Speaker 5: they were kind of at that wits end as well.
Speaker 5: You know, just things weren't going well. Tom was trying
Speaker 5: to do his best, you know, to salvage whatever talent
Speaker 5: we had left.
Speaker 4: Don't come off three and thirteen season.
Speaker 5: You know, when when you have things going like that,
Speaker 5: then the front office you can see, you can see
Speaker 5: it happening from from the top down. You know, things
Speaker 5: were just going bad. They weren't making good decisions, we
Speaker 5: weren't playing well. Everything was obviously they didn't put a
Speaker 5: good product on the field. Much as we tried to
Speaker 5: be competitive, you know, you can it's not what they
Speaker 5: don't want competitive here, that's that didn't work for us.
Speaker 5: And you could just as players, we were like, you know,
Speaker 5: they they have to go, you know, the regime. You know,
Speaker 5: we were kind of like, hey, that's just the way
Speaker 5: it goes. Players get cut all the time. Even though
Speaker 5: as unique as this was, we were thinking it's time.
Speaker 5: We were thinking it's time, but a lot of players
Speaker 5: don't ever realize when it's time for them, then it's
Speaker 5: also going to be time for some of us as well.
Speaker 3: You can, you can put it in today's terms, probably
Speaker 3: what was going on in the last couple of years
Speaker 3: in New England with Bill Belichick. It's time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so how did you find out?
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, it was all over the news.
Speaker 6: It was all over them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how you found out.
Speaker 5: There was somebody saw it, someone somewhere else, and they
Speaker 5: all kept me.
Speaker 3: And the story had broken a day or two before.
Speaker 3: In fact, it was Tom Murray at Channel five who
Speaker 3: broke the story on this. Uh, Jerry Jones from Arkansas,
Speaker 3: I was going to buy the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: And everybody was like, oh wait this guy.
Speaker 3: And then of course Jerry and Jimmy had dinner at MIA's. Yep,
Speaker 3: and Ivan mas Elgis from the Dallas Morning News just
Speaker 3: happened to be dining at MIA's that same night and
Speaker 3: knew Jimmy from I didn't know who that was with
Speaker 3: Jimmy probably but from covering college football. And then he
Speaker 3: called down to the Dallas Morning News and said, get
Speaker 3: me a photographer, and it was in the front page
Speaker 3: of the Dallas Morning News that morning.
Speaker 6: You think he had to go to Jerry had to
Speaker 6: go to a pay phone or in the restaurant to
Speaker 6: make that phone call.
Speaker 3: Now you can just get your phone out and take
Speaker 3: the picture of yourself.
Speaker 4: Well, every time we sound so old.
Speaker 3: Experienced experience, Well that's what you miss, Savannah thirty five
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 1: I know the story.
Speaker 3: Huh, that's right.
Speaker 5: It was kind of you know, like I said, when
Speaker 5: he first came in, remember the excitement.
Speaker 4: I mean it was just, you know, he passed. It
Speaker 4: was past all of.
Speaker 5: The you know, cursing out the kicker and all of that.
Speaker 5: Way past all of that. We got into pre season.
Speaker 5: Everything was like very exciting. We were like three we
Speaker 5: were three and one.
Speaker 4: In pre season. O.
Speaker 7: But but the but initially and it was like whoa,
Speaker 7: we're gonna hey, thank god Jimmy and Jimmy are here.
Speaker 3: But initially the fan base was a lot of the
Speaker 3: fan base was in shock. In fact, was my sister.
Speaker 3: It was a long time Boys fan. I remember getting
Speaker 3: a call from her and she's I'm never gonna be
Speaker 3: a fan of that team again.
Speaker 4: No one wanted time to go.
Speaker 3: But then she was front row and center when they
Speaker 3: were written in the super Bowl.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, because just to be honest, the players they
Speaker 5: were not as.
Speaker 4: Heartbroken at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, you could kind of you know,
Speaker 5: he's human, I mean, he was what could he do
Speaker 5: with us? We want that talented you know, you wanted
Speaker 5: to make miracles and you know, you like like Ron Spaine,
Speaker 5: you just to say you can't make chicken salad, chicken crap.
Speaker 5: So uh, that's what he was trying to do the
Speaker 5: entire time, and he just couldn't do it well.
Speaker 6: And you know, as truth be known, in that super
Speaker 6: Bowl that year, So it was the eighty eight season,
Speaker 6: eighty nine super Bowl was in Miami. Guest in the
Speaker 6: Cowboys suite at the super Bowl was Jimmy Johnson. Gil
Speaker 6: Brandt invited him because Gill had all the connections with
Speaker 6: all the college coaches and everything.
Speaker 3: So gilating that is made despite the owners for even
Speaker 3: if bum Bright's still the owner, right that if a
Speaker 3: move is made on Landry, that Jimmy would be a candidate.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was coincidence or not.
Speaker 5: It was an odd time for Gil as well. Oh yeah,
Speaker 5: a lot of crazy stuff was going on with him.
Speaker 5: It was a tough time for well.
Speaker 6: And they kept him around through the draft and then
Speaker 6: he wouldn't leave.
Speaker 2: He too had to go.
Speaker 3: He wouldn't leave.
Speaker 4: Well, you say it right, man, He would not leave.
Speaker 2: He was kept out.
Speaker 4: It took him a while to leave his office. And
Speaker 4: I say a while about a week.
Speaker 6: So, well, he had to collect all his stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I could.
Speaker 3: Well to cont wrap up my story on my sister
Speaker 3: call and I said, well, you may be mad right now,
Speaker 3: but there about to get Troy Yeate minute quarterback. This
Speaker 3: team is about to get really good.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we end up it wasn't just Troy,
Speaker 5: but it was what's the other quarterback.
Speaker 3: Steve Walsh? And then the supplemental draft, which was you're
Speaker 3: trading away next year's one, and then they got but
Speaker 3: then they traded Steve Walsh and got multiple draft picks
Speaker 3: for him.
Speaker 4: How they did that, yeah, that's right, No idea how
Speaker 4: they did's right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was my answer to the Trey Lance question
Speaker 6: last week. He was like, well, we wasted a fourth
Speaker 6: round pick on Trey Lance. I said, well, how do
Speaker 6: you know I had even been to training camp or
Speaker 6: had a practice with the real team. I said, And
Speaker 6: what if he gets to pre season and he plays
Speaker 6: well and somebody gets a quarterback hurt and they go, oh,
Speaker 6: we'll give you a second from him.
Speaker 4: You never know, you never know.
Speaker 6: So but yeah, you know, it's funny because when I
Speaker 6: saw it was February twenty fifth, I'm going, why do
Speaker 6: I got to remember this date?
Speaker 2: It was like, do I have a bill due that
Speaker 2: I got to pay?
Speaker 6: Right edited dawn Dog, It's like, oh, it's Frank's birthday,
Speaker 6: the late Frank, Uncle Frank.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, spinning it towards twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 3: we're spinning very closely towards the new year. We are
Speaker 3: two weeks away today, two weeks away from the start
Speaker 3: of free agency, and NFL teams convening today or yesterday
Speaker 3: in Indianapolis for the combine, which actually we don't look
Speaker 3: at it on TV on the NFL network until later
Speaker 3: in the week. But I think the linebackers are the
Speaker 3: first ones in today.
Speaker 6: They didn't care about showing the linebacker They don't all
Speaker 6: the behind the scenes stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. By the time. The workout is
Speaker 3: the last thing they do, the position groups, and.
Speaker 6: So testing is it testing to starts today? Yeah, and
Speaker 6: we've already seen a couple of quarterbacks not gonna throw,
Speaker 6: including Heisman Trophy winner Jadon Daniels.
Speaker 3: And Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams.
Speaker 8: Yes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which, by the way, I.
Speaker 5: Am, I am. My football presence is just not there today.
Speaker 5: I just feel like, I just feel like the football
Speaker 5: season was so long ago.
Speaker 3: You need your big green notebooks gotten bigger, and look
Speaker 3: how empty it is right now. That's gonna fill up.
Speaker 3: This is this is the big green NFL draft scouting
Speaker 3: notebook which I was at spring training last week. I
Speaker 3: was said, baseball on my mind all week, and today
Speaker 3: I opened up my big green notebook and started filling
Speaker 3: it in.
Speaker 6: Which, by the way, having said that, it's a really
Speaker 6: good story on Evan Carter.
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, and the Cowboys need to find
Speaker 3: some Evan Carter's in this draft. Ye star for the
Speaker 3: Texas Rangers at twenty one years old, got called up
Speaker 3: in September last year and had a parade in Elizabethon, Tennessee.
Speaker 3: Jason Witten, I forgot about that, huh.
Speaker 6: Two great athletes out of that little town.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing. What was second?
Speaker 6: Oh and I saw Nate Newton got invited inducted into
Speaker 6: the Texas Black Hall of Fame.
Speaker 5: This weekend Sports Hall of Fame, Sports Sports, Texas Black
Speaker 5: Sports Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Well maybe the other one too.
Speaker 5: That's a big Texas Black man right there. You got
Speaker 5: a you know, sports sports hall.
Speaker 3: Okay, I need to go to your Wikipedia page to
Speaker 3: see if you're already in the Sports Hall Fame.
Speaker 4: Okay. Matter of fact, I spoke for the class.
Speaker 3: So you're a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, several, No, but I recalled.
Speaker 5: That was very cool for us because uh uh I
Speaker 5: spoke for the class and part of the guys that
Speaker 5: went in was the nineteen fifty three class from Prairie View,
Speaker 5: A And m well, my dad was a part of
Speaker 5: that class.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 5: But he didn't finish He didn't finish college. He had
Speaker 5: to come back home after being so cute with my mom.
Speaker 5: He had to come back home raise a kid, right,
Speaker 5: So uh but those were all his friends and so
Speaker 5: uh yeah, I called him he could he couldn't make it.
Speaker 4: He wasn't doing well. So I called him that night
Speaker 4: and all the guys you know, said hi to him
Speaker 4: and everything like that. So that was very cool.
Speaker 6: Which, by the way, I don't think I mentioned it
Speaker 6: last week because we didn't have the show on Monday.
Speaker 4: We had it on Tuesday.
Speaker 3: That's when I missed it.
Speaker 6: I did, Yeah, I did. I hadn't done before I
Speaker 6: went to the Davy O'Brien Awards banquet, Uh, Jaden Daniels
Speaker 6: LSU coach. Uh. And they induct a legend every year
Speaker 6: also and it was Danny White.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I saw that.
Speaker 6: I saw that, and so I had a good talk
Speaker 6: with Danny there.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: It was good to see him. He's got his his
Speaker 6: adult daughter, Heather Kennedy. They're working on a book and
Speaker 6: he's got a book coming out in June, Spotlights and Shadows.
Speaker 6: It's titled Yeah, so got to talk to her about it.
Speaker 6: Uh yeah, right. But anyway, they they induct a it
Speaker 6: doesn't mean he had been a Davy O'Brien Award winner.
Speaker 6: That just somebody that had played well in college, uh
Speaker 6: and went on into the NFL.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: In fact, they didn't have a Davy O'Brien bay because
Speaker 3: he started Arizona State.
Speaker 6: His seventy four would have been his his draft class,
Speaker 6: so seventy one, seventy two, seventy three, and one of
Speaker 6: the things we years ago, Wow, if we think about it,
Speaker 6: the Arizona Republics Go, the newspaper in Phoenix, selected him
Speaker 6: as the Arizona Athlete of the Century of the century.
Speaker 3: Wow. You know. He went to Arizona State on a
Speaker 3: baseball scholarship to play baseball for Bobby Winkles at Arizona State.
Speaker 3: Remember Reggie Jackson played at Arizona State and so and.
Speaker 4: Then ended up playing football.
Speaker 6: He wound up playing football, right, Franks Cush.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Frank Cusher's the football coach.
Speaker 6: Three times, won the Western Athletic Conference three years in
Speaker 6: a row, won the Fiesta Bowl three years in a row.
Speaker 6: He left college and I didn't know this too. I
Speaker 6: kind of read his bio as the nation's leading career
Speaker 6: passer at that time from for yards. So he was.
Speaker 6: He was awfully good. And then signed the personal services
Speaker 6: contract with Memphis of the World Football League, and the
Speaker 6: Cowboys just took a flyer on him because he had
Speaker 6: already done it. So they said, okay, we'll use a
Speaker 6: third round pick on him and see what happens. And
Speaker 6: see oh, I said, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: The WFLAH World Football League.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's so weird when you.
Speaker 4: Hear of all the accolades that he has.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and when he came here, it didn't mean jack,
Speaker 5: you know, because you got he was the punter. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, it's just lets you know, when
Speaker 5: you you can have all those accolades, but then when
Speaker 5: you get to the pros, you know, no one even
Speaker 5: thinks about that. All they know is he's a number
Speaker 5: two quarterback behind by.
Speaker 6: Just and rarely had to play. But he punted. Got
Speaker 6: a super Bowl ring.
Speaker 5: All around the athlete, right baseball, all football and a punter.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of skill.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of skill. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I liked about What I liked about him was he
Speaker 5: rarely punted. You know, they had to look out for him.
Speaker 5: He would take off a lot and that there were
Speaker 5: many games where that really helped us. You know, it
Speaker 5: really did help us out on that that fourth down
Speaker 5: and he picks up that fourth down, we continue our drive.
Speaker 5: He did that so many times. We don't punters don't
Speaker 5: They just don't do that?
Speaker 4: Now? Can they do that? Is it?
Speaker 5: Because the rule is that what the way that they
Speaker 5: tea well, nowadays punters don't. They don't fake the punt
Speaker 5: and run as much as did. Danny did that a lot.
Speaker 5: That was well, now they got the ass and the
Speaker 5: rugby guys coming in as kickers, and they can run
Speaker 5: the ball where they used.
Speaker 3: To think about what a threat that is a punter
Speaker 3: when you've got a three time All American quarterback punting
Speaker 3: for you well.
Speaker 6: And the other thing that used to happen back then
Speaker 6: was the quick kick, like if you weren't getting anywhere
Speaker 6: and you were at third.
Speaker 5: Down and you have a quarterback from the from the side,
Speaker 5: so you gimp go.
Speaker 6: Forever forever, right. Danny's funny story. He told me this
Speaker 6: long time ago. So when he became the starting quarterback
Speaker 6: in eighty he was still punny uh and eighty one
Speaker 6: skilled punny, right, And he'd go to Gill every year
Speaker 6: and say, you know, I'm doing both. Don't you think
Speaker 6: I should get a raise? Gil goes, yeah, yeah, I'll
Speaker 6: talk to Tom. Well I think three years after Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: I've talked to Tom.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 6: Gil told him you should go talk to Tom.
Speaker 2: So he goes in.
Speaker 6: And he goes, you know, coach, he goes I'm the
Speaker 6: starting quarterback, but I'm still punning. And I was wondering,
Speaker 6: you know, maybe I can get paid a little bit
Speaker 6: more because I'm doing both and he said. Tom looked
Speaker 6: at him and goes, well, Annie, you know when I played,
Speaker 6: the more you could do to help the team, the
Speaker 6: better off the team was.
Speaker 4: And he was like, what do I say?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: Because the BS coming from the coach's office was just
Speaker 5: thick all the time.
Speaker 4: I was waiting to hear what he was going to say.
Speaker 4: What else could.
Speaker 5: And Tom would always say, oh, I don't know anything
Speaker 5: about contracts. I have no idea. Okay, Tom, Yeah, they
Speaker 5: played it so much, man, it was ridiculous. I was
Speaker 5: waiting to hear what he was going to say.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he made him.
Speaker 2: He left him speech.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, what can you say that? The conversations
Speaker 4: with Tom was so brief.
Speaker 5: I don't remember anyone really having a long conversation as
Speaker 5: far as player the coach with Tom.
Speaker 6: Langer the eighty four season.
Speaker 4: That's the first year we didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 6: Right, And I think there was a maybe there was
Speaker 6: a game after I'm trying to remember why I had
Speaker 6: to call him at home after a aim and I
Speaker 6: think maybe it was before your final game.
Speaker 4: It was because we were already you.
Speaker 6: Had a chance, but somebody won. I don't anyway, it
Speaker 6: was like, yeah, here's the phone number. We set it up,
Speaker 6: so I called him at home. I had only been
Speaker 6: here three months, so I called him at home and
Speaker 6: he comes to the phone and maybe we talked three
Speaker 6: minutes and he answered the last question, which would have
Speaker 6: been the last question, and he goes, okay, just like that, No, Tom,
Speaker 6: I've got another question.
Speaker 5: Tony Do said, says that when he says okay, Yeah,
Speaker 5: he said that many times.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: I think I heard that interviewing.
Speaker 4: Him and.
Speaker 3: He would say okay.
Speaker 5: Because everyone wanted to do an expos on him, and
Speaker 5: he's like, I don't have time for this guy.
Speaker 6: People didn't realize during the season he would do a
Speaker 6: press conference after the game. On Tuesday, they would have
Speaker 6: their press conference, and he'd do the print media and
Speaker 6: the television radio media separately, and they'd have lunch. We
Speaker 6: didn't talk to him again until Friday, after the last practice,
Speaker 6: as he was walking to the coach's locker room.
Speaker 4: That was it.
Speaker 2: That was the only opportunity to him.
Speaker 6: Unless you had something you could call Barbara Anderson remembers
Speaker 6: he was his executive assistant and say, hey, I got
Speaker 6: one question for Tom, and you could call and he would.
Speaker 4: She would get him.
Speaker 6: On the phone.
Speaker 2: But that was it. That was it.
Speaker 6: So when Jimmy got here, we got him every day.
Speaker 3: It seemed like he didn't know what the protocol was. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: all right. One other thing to wrap up the Danny
Speaker 3: White conversation, and can you name another punter in the
Speaker 3: National Football League who also was a quarterback and was
Speaker 3: a third round draft pick. He was a Pro bowler
Speaker 3: at punter and a Super Bowl champion at punter and
Speaker 3: also played quarterback in the NFL, A third round draft pick,
Speaker 3: just like Danny White was.
Speaker 4: You know, you didn't say a particular team.
Speaker 3: I haven't I got I can give you hints. But
Speaker 3: he played, he played. He played in college at Ohio State.
Speaker 3: Blank stares Tom Tupa. That's the other one.
Speaker 4: Phoenix Yah won.
Speaker 3: A Super Bowl. He was the Tampa Bay Buccaneers punter
Speaker 3: when they won the Super Bowl in O two over
Speaker 3: the Raiders, And.
Speaker 5: He was the callon punter and quarterback. When me and
Speaker 5: Jimmy got into it, you go right.
Speaker 3: There, you go all right when we come back here
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Speaker 3: tales from Veil asales from l was very excited coming
Speaker 3: in here because you just got back from Vail, Colorado.
Speaker 3: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: And there are cowboys stories from Veil.
Speaker 12: I have a cowboys story from Vail, Colorado. And mind you,
Speaker 12: I texted Mickey at the time too, so he's all
Speaker 12: aware of what's going on. You guys haven't heard this.
Speaker 12: But last Wednesday I went to Vail with my dad
Speaker 12: and sister flew in, went skiing for the day. Thursday
Speaker 12: skied for the day, and then Thursday afternoon, my dad
Speaker 12: and sister and I we always go to this restaurant
Speaker 12: called the Veil Chop House. And there's this guy he's
Speaker 12: partially an owner of the restaurant. He puts on a
Speaker 12: show at the restaurant. He's like a one man band.
Speaker 6: That's that guy Pill Long long time ago, yeah.
Speaker 3: Phil Long.
Speaker 12: He's amazing one man band, keyboard guitar, sings, He takes
Speaker 12: all these requests and he just puts on a show
Speaker 12: for people for three hours. So we go in, we
Speaker 12: sit down at our reservation. I'm sitting next to my
Speaker 12: dad and I look over and I'm like, I'm pretty
Speaker 12: sure that's Brandon Aubrey. And Brandon Aubrey was there with
Speaker 12: his wife, his mom, and dad, and so I guess
Speaker 12: the dad also knows Phil Long, the singer, and so
Speaker 12: Phil eventually calls Brandon up to the stage and says,
Speaker 12: I want everyone in the restaurant to know this man
Speaker 12: is the kicker for the Dallas Cowboys and just exactly
Speaker 12: just tells the story of his time in his first
Speaker 12: year in the NFL and how well he did for
Speaker 12: the Cowboys, and the whole restaurant gave him a big
Speaker 12: standing ovation and everyone started coming up and taking pictures
Speaker 12: with them, and so obviously I was like, okay, well
Speaker 12: I'm going to go say hi to Brandon. And I
Speaker 12: was like, okay, I'm obviously Savannah. I've chatted with you
Speaker 12: in the locker room a few times work on the
Speaker 12: media side, and he was like, oh my gosh, it
Speaker 12: is so great to see you. For the record, I
Speaker 12: am not skiing. He was not skiing here. He was
Speaker 12: making sure he was.
Speaker 2: Just funcase.
Speaker 12: You're in the boot, you can't be in the boot.
Speaker 2: I had heard before.
Speaker 6: She let me know that he was a veil going skiing,
Speaker 6: and everybody in the scouting department was holding their breath
Speaker 6: right because they thought he was actually skiing.
Speaker 12: He was, in fact not skiing.
Speaker 4: Told us he is not skied.
Speaker 2: He was not lying. That's what I wanted to check
Speaker 2: boots exactly.
Speaker 4: No, but it was.
Speaker 3: It was awesome just there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 5: So we used to have like thirty plus off season
Speaker 5: basketball games track in the day, nobody cared Dorset was
Speaker 5: with US player on the team.
Speaker 2: Guys used to travel all the time, all over the state.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy now you can't even if you but
Speaker 5: Mahomes didn't need like dunkle basketball one time or something,
Speaker 5: and everybody had a fit because like, what are you
Speaker 5: doing on the basketball?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like what are you about the NBA celebrity game other boys? Yeah,
Speaker 3: talking about dunking and basketball.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he made that look easy, didn't Huh. That's crazy?
Speaker 5: What an athlete? That's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: So do you think if he devoted time to basketball
Speaker 3: that he could play in the NBA?
Speaker 4: I think he could not necessarily.
Speaker 3: I didn't watch the celebrity game. I watched him play basketball.
Speaker 3: I just heard the reports.
Speaker 4: He's seven points.
Speaker 5: The highlight of his defense will probably put him on
Speaker 5: the mark is smart, We'll put him on.
Speaker 4: That's way right. He will be. He will be on
Speaker 4: someone's team because of his attitude.
Speaker 6: He'd probably fall out.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's what they were using for it. I mean,
Speaker 4: he'd be that guy.
Speaker 6: Since we went back, we also should mention Golden Richards
Speaker 6: passing away. Yes, played with the Cowboys from seventy three
Speaker 6: to seventy eight. He had got diagnosed with Parkinson's disease
Speaker 6: about five ten years ago. But he died of congestive
Speaker 6: heart failure in Murray, Utah.
Speaker 4: And that's why it was.
Speaker 6: He was a b YU guy before he played in
Speaker 6: Why I think he's from Utah. Yeah, he went to
Speaker 6: high school. It was I think close to Well. I
Speaker 6: think it was in Murray. That's where he ended up.
Speaker 6: Going back. What I didn't realize about him, So we
Speaker 6: all know about the touchdown catch in seventy eight from
Speaker 6: Robert new from Robert Newhouse, the Super Bowl twelve, the
Speaker 6: seventy seven season twenty nine yards. What I didn't realize
Speaker 6: is two seasons with the Cowboys, he averaged twenty one
Speaker 6: point five yards and twenty one point eight yards a
Speaker 6: catch a catch, so he was quite the deep threat
Speaker 6: during his career.
Speaker 4: That was when we signed Doug Donnelly.
Speaker 5: Everybody had flashbacks, white lightning, white lightning. We were pretty
Speaker 5: happy to have him because we just knew he was
Speaker 5: going to be another Golden Richards.
Speaker 6: Mike Renfro too, he wanted to speak.
Speaker 4: It wasn't it wasn't the same number. First of all,
Speaker 4: Doug was eighty three.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, okay, it wasn't just because he's a white
Speaker 5: wide receiver.
Speaker 4: Racist.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not supposed to be fast.
Speaker 4: It's not where we are but Texas.
Speaker 5: No, but uh no, Doug just had injury problems, but
Speaker 5: we we had some high hopes for him. Rainfrow used
Speaker 5: to be fast and he hurt his knee. Remember before
Speaker 5: his knee surgery, well more than one knee surgery.
Speaker 4: He was pretty fast.
Speaker 3: Run in the family, Renfro and then his son.
Speaker 4: His son was a help of player actually track at
Speaker 4: t c U.
Speaker 6: I ran into both of them at the Davy O'Brien
Speaker 6: Award dinner. But anyway, yeah, I thought we'd point that
Speaker 6: out about Golden Richards had the greatest terror ever Golden locks.
Speaker 4: Yes he did, all right, so what uh what?
Speaker 3: Wow? Look at that legal pad. He has been filling
Speaker 3: up that legal pad right, whats on Mickey's legal pad?
Speaker 3: Right now?
Speaker 6: Do you want to do it now?
Speaker 3: In the clock?
Speaker 4: We got time? So you're lucky we're here.
Speaker 2: The Cowboys got a huge.
Speaker 6: Benefit we're talking salary cap from the salary carry going up.
Speaker 6: It was projected to go up to two forty two
Speaker 6: five million this year from two twenty four to five
Speaker 6: last year. But when it got solidified at the end
Speaker 6: of last week it went, it increased nearly thirteen more
Speaker 6: million dollars than the projection, so it's now two hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty five point four million. So at the time
Speaker 6: when the projection was to forty two, the Cowboys were
Speaker 6: somewhere around I don't know, sixteen million over the cap. Well,
Speaker 6: now after the escalation, when it comes to the top
Speaker 6: fifty one players and that's what the cap hits at
Speaker 6: on March thirteenth, the Cowboys are really only about three
Speaker 6: and a half million over the cap. So that's an
Speaker 6: easy adjustment that they can make initially, and then you know,
Speaker 6: the full cap doesn't hit until the first week of
Speaker 6: the season, and you've got to include all fifty three players.
Speaker 6: So for the top fifty one, they're within reasonable distance
Speaker 6: to make some adjustments to be able to not only
Speaker 6: get under but have money to spend in free agency
Speaker 6: and the draft. So that was a huge benefit for
Speaker 6: the Cowboys at that time. Plus they had a ten
Speaker 6: million dollar rollover for money that was left over this
Speaker 6: past season, so their total cap would have been to
Speaker 6: sixty six point two million when they rolled that in,
Speaker 6: But they've got fourteen points seven million in dead money.
Speaker 6: And when it comes to that dead money, Zeke still
Speaker 6: counting six million and Tyron Smith will count another six million,
Speaker 6: So twelve of the fifth fourteen million is dead money
Speaker 6: that was created by those two.
Speaker 3: And Mickey takes a big o' sip.
Speaker 12: A lot of talk, a lot of money, a lot
Speaker 12: of money covers.
Speaker 3: Okay, then what was this about the coming out of
Speaker 3: the pandemic and the makeup money that is also applied
Speaker 3: for the money that where they had to cut back
Speaker 3: during the pandemic. There was also an adjustment adjustment.
Speaker 6: Most of this is because of the new TV contract
Speaker 6: that's that was the huge, huge deal, so you know,
Speaker 6: and so right now they've got to decide. I mean,
Speaker 6: their biggest decision is what to do with Dak. And
Speaker 6: everybody keeps pointing out the cap hit is fifty nine
Speaker 6: point four million, but his base salary is only twenty
Speaker 6: nine million. There's been restructure bonuses that you've got to
Speaker 6: account for. So they can reduce the twenty nine million
Speaker 6: by giving him a restructured bonus because there's two dummy
Speaker 6: year void years at the end of his contract, and
Speaker 6: they can get it down the cap hit to probably
Speaker 6: in the forty million, so that would create almost you know,
Speaker 6: nineteen million more or.
Speaker 4: Of space.
Speaker 3: So just to give you an idea on the cap
Speaker 3: and where it's gone the last four years, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: it was at the salary cap number in twenty twenty
Speaker 3: was one hundred and ninety eight point two million. After
Speaker 3: because of COVID it went down sixteen million to one
Speaker 3: eighty two five and twenty one, went back up in
Speaker 3: twenty two to two hundred eight million, in twenty three
Speaker 3: two hundred twenty four million, and now this time it
Speaker 3: basically doubled the increase of thirty million dollars to two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty five million, and one of the reasons
Speaker 3: for that, as to answer my own question, the unprecedented
Speaker 3: thirty million dollars or increase per club in this year's
Speaker 3: salary cap is the result of the full repayment of
Speaker 3: all amounts advanced by the clubs and deferred by the
Speaker 3: players during the pandemic.
Speaker 4: Okay, so.
Speaker 6: They get a big bump, and Dak's not the only one,
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, it's the biggest one. But if
Speaker 6: you look at Zach Martin, because of restructure bonuses they've
Speaker 6: paid him, his cap hit is going to be twenty
Speaker 6: eight point five in the last year of his contract.
Speaker 6: By the way, he's got an eighteen million dollar base
Speaker 6: Same with DeMarcus Lawrence. He's got a twenty point four
Speaker 6: million cap hit. His base salary is only ten But
Speaker 6: because they restructured and paid him bonus to lower his
Speaker 6: base salaries, at some point the credit card comes due,
Speaker 6: right seed lamb. They really need to sign them to
Speaker 6: a long term deal. The fifth year option they picked
Speaker 6: up is seventeen point nine million, and so if you
Speaker 6: sign them to an extension, a long term deal, then
Speaker 6: you can reduce the cap hit for at least this
Speaker 6: year because they'll pay them a big signing bonus, and
Speaker 6: so you only need to give them the base salary,
Speaker 6: the minimum base salary. So they got some things that
Speaker 6: they can do to create money, because otherwise, if they
Speaker 6: didn't get that hit, they were going to be in
Speaker 6: trouble in free agency.
Speaker 3: Here's here's another example of how well the league's doing
Speaker 3: right now and eversin This is for you. Okay, the
Speaker 3: salary cap number is two hundred and fifty five point
Speaker 3: four million, four players on their roster right now, but
Speaker 3: each team is also getting an additional seventy four million
Speaker 3: dollars per club payment for player benefits, which includes performance
Speaker 3: base pay for current players and benefit fits for retired players.
Speaker 3: You're a retired player, so that affects you.
Speaker 4: I like that. So when do we realize that? Do
Speaker 4: you have that?
Speaker 3: Go up to Jerry's office. So the actual the actual
Speaker 3: player costs for twenty four, three hundred and twenty nine
Speaker 3: million dollars per club, or more than ten point five
Speaker 3: billion dollars league wide. That's how successful this league is doing.
Speaker 4: Let's kind of go back to the anniversary this year.
Speaker 5: What we were talking about do you think if Jerry
Speaker 5: would not have bought.
Speaker 3: The Cowboys for one hundred and forty million dollars.
Speaker 5: That this league would be thriving as it is right now.
Speaker 4: Can you point, oh, that's a good point to this, this acquisition.
Speaker 5: Can you point to Jerry infusing himself into the NFL.
Speaker 3: In the way we started reapproaching how they do business
Speaker 3: because of what Jerry.
Speaker 5: The owners, as much as they talk trash, I know
Speaker 5: that secretly they're like, he's good for the league.
Speaker 4: Great for the league, by the way. You know, Jerry's
Speaker 4: Jerry to me.
Speaker 5: But when it's I mean, but really you can you
Speaker 5: can not feel a certain way about somebody to still
Speaker 5: give him some love.
Speaker 4: When he came into the.
Speaker 5: League, everything changed, I mean the way that you the
Speaker 5: owners acted, you know, right, even though he's still a
Speaker 5: bit over the top as far as I'm concerned, but
Speaker 5: you know, he seemed to bring more interest to the league,
Speaker 5: and of course when the Cowboys started winning, that always
Speaker 5: brings more money to the league.
Speaker 4: But I think that how many years ago to day
Speaker 4: was it you said thirty five years ago? Today?
Speaker 5: I think that all the NFL owners were better off
Speaker 5: when Jerry Jones came into the NFL.
Speaker 3: I think that all the business part of it, and
Speaker 3: that's what I'm from marketing to merchandising to TV contracts.
Speaker 4: Even though he doesn't share, right, he's still and that
Speaker 4: the way they have it.
Speaker 5: He doesn't share is some of it, some of it,
Speaker 5: but it's still and they were they were mad about that.
Speaker 4: I remember the owners were mad about that. But overall,
Speaker 4: like the Nike deal, yeah, exactly too right.
Speaker 6: The Nike deal was ninety five when he and it
Speaker 6: was the Monday night opener, and he and Phil Knight
Speaker 6: walked out together.
Speaker 3: Right after the signing of Dion about the same time.
Speaker 3: Dion was right after.
Speaker 4: That, because at first it was Reebox, right.
Speaker 6: It was right after the signing of Kevin Smith.
Speaker 3: Right, and then Dion was signed after Kevin went down.
Speaker 3: And he's an opener against the giants whatever it.
Speaker 5: Was Rebok at first, and the Nike and then there
Speaker 5: was didn't the Solda. Didn't that have a didn't have
Speaker 5: a thing about the the Solda?
Speaker 6: Yeah, PEPSI versus Co.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know he went against the grain every time, right,
Speaker 5: and Miller lite this.
Speaker 4: So no. I just thought that was you know, very interesting.
Speaker 5: How you know, once it wasn't just with him coming
Speaker 5: in and the Cowboys winning. Then the NFL changed in
Speaker 5: the nineteen nineties and they never looked back.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Sport COO.
Speaker 3: They release a yearly UH.
Speaker 12: Report of all the sports franchises for value, and so
Speaker 12: last week they actually came out with the results and
Speaker 12: now increased. Cowboys they are at nine point two billion
Speaker 12: dollars worth in value.
Speaker 3: New York Giants exactly.
Speaker 12: Giants came in at number two, seven billion, and the
Speaker 12: Rams at six point nine billion for number three.
Speaker 4: Well, the stadium, the stadium.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but Cowboys nine point two at the top.
Speaker 4: I thought Washington was in there at one point.
Speaker 5: I think they have with the issues that they had, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: but before that they were up there.
Speaker 12: They're at number seven on this list at six okay billion,
Speaker 12: there you go, there you go.
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Speaker 3: You had a special guest on the show.
Speaker 6: We did Cowboys video director Robert Blackvelt. He was black
Speaker 6: Girl joined Savannah and I.
Speaker 2: He was great.
Speaker 3: So you recommend that I go back and listen to it.
Speaker 4: Watch it.
Speaker 12: He came in, sat right there, and I'm sitting in
Speaker 12: my season and tune into his podcast as well.
Speaker 3: Real R E E L Football Stories.
Speaker 12: Yeah, he told us all about his show that he does,
Speaker 12: all the old stories.
Speaker 2: That he has.
Speaker 4: Did he say how long he's been doing it the podcast?
Speaker 2: You take a year and a half for like a
Speaker 2: year and a half.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: How long has he been retired?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 12: Since twenty twenty?
Speaker 6: Twenty twenty was his last last season.
Speaker 12: I think it was February of twenty one he officially retired.
Speaker 6: So he's one of the few people here that worked
Speaker 6: for every one of the coaches, owners, CoA head coach, yeah,
Speaker 6: and GMS.
Speaker 3: So when did he start.
Speaker 6: Nineteen eighty eighty one off? Because he was he was
Speaker 6: he was an assistant before he became the video.
Speaker 12: Director and then he was telling us, yeah it was
Speaker 12: he forty seasons, and then he counted eight hundred and
Speaker 12: thirty five games.
Speaker 6: That he has filmed?
Speaker 3: How many draft picks?
Speaker 6: Because he was the guy that we talked about that,
Speaker 6: we talked about it the draft cards.
Speaker 3: I haven't I'm being very transparent here. I have not
Speaker 3: listened that. That's why I wanted to find out. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I need to go and watch this go. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's why I'm asking. Okay, all right, what's next on Mickey's.
Speaker 6: So? Did they make the additions other than Mike Zimmer
Speaker 6: before you guys went wherever you went?
Speaker 12: Yeah, because I don't think we've talked since Zimmer came.
Speaker 12: We talked Zim, right, I don't think we did, No,
Speaker 12: I think I think we It was the week two
Speaker 12: weeks ago, so yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know. We talked about it though. Was it
Speaker 4: before our show? No, it happened after. So what do
Speaker 4: you think about I like it.
Speaker 5: He's a hard ass. That's what everybody wants. He's a
Speaker 5: hard ass. And you know, he did work well with
Speaker 5: the players back then. Let's hope it works with the
Speaker 5: players now. Yes, they're different now. Was the last time
Speaker 5: he was.
Speaker 4: Here twenty.
Speaker 6: Two thousand and six?
Speaker 5: Was his players a little different now, a little bit,
Speaker 5: you know, just like in school, students are different now,
Speaker 5: you know, you have to have, you know, more updated
Speaker 5: ways of motivating guys.
Speaker 4: And I'm hoping he can do.
Speaker 6: It well and let's make you know. He it's he's
Speaker 6: been coaching except for the last two years. And he
Speaker 6: kind of explained the uh idea that he was Dion's consulting.
Speaker 6: He was like, yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 3: Hell, something gets put on your Wikipedia page, this analyst
Speaker 3: and coat like your got your sleeves rolled up. You're
Speaker 3: right alongside Dion at Jackson State coaching Colorado calls. Right,
Speaker 3: it's like college. They're making phone calls to it. It's
Speaker 3: like it's like, Jimmy's now on the adviser that's right.
Speaker 2: How about that?
Speaker 3: Are people that eleven their news producers? Oh we gotta
Speaker 3: we got to do a story on that. Are you
Speaker 3: leading the sports cast with no Jerry just made a
Speaker 3: phone call to Jimmy and Jimmy jokingly said, I'm on
Speaker 3: his advisory board.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now it comes.
Speaker 3: Headlines across the Sometimes you got Jimmy is now working
Speaker 3: for the Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Sometimes you you've got to hear, You've got to hear
Speaker 6: and not read it right because when I heard.
Speaker 3: It, he was laughing when he said it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So they made Zim though, So I called Campbo because
Speaker 6: Campbell's the one that got him here. They it's a
Speaker 6: it's a long involved story on how they met, but
Speaker 6: Mike and myself met nineteen seventy nine. He was his
Speaker 6: first coaching job out of college at the University of
Speaker 6: Missouri and he was a part time assistant and a
Speaker 6: guy by the name of Mike Price ring A Bell
Speaker 6: was the Missouri quarterbacks coach and wide receivers coach when
Speaker 6: Zim was there, and he got hired as the head
Speaker 6: coach in nineteen eighty at Weaber State, and he brought
Speaker 6: Mike along as his defensive back coach, who ended up
Speaker 6: a years later as his defensive coordinator at Washington State.
Speaker 6: At Washington State and Campbeo was out of work because
Speaker 6: he was working for Joe Avezano at Oregon State when
Speaker 6: they went under not under me Winless, and Campbell said,
Speaker 6: I just needed to find a job, and so he
Speaker 6: ends up at Weber because he and Mike Price were
Speaker 6: assistant coaches at Washington together. So anyway, Campbell got to
Speaker 6: know Zim and he said once he kept trying to
Speaker 6: get Mike here. He would come and visit, and when
Speaker 6: Switzerlan became the head coach in ninety four, they talked
Speaker 6: him into hiring Zim as a defensive assistant, taking care
Speaker 6: of the secondary and the rest was history. For what
Speaker 6: thirteen thirteen thirteen years or.
Speaker 4: Forgive it might have been. Mike Price.
Speaker 3: He was the head coach of Washington State, then at
Speaker 3: U Tip and then you'll have to.
Speaker 4: Google watch it. I know because he's Missouri guy.
Speaker 6: No, he he ended up at Washington, Washington as the
Speaker 6: head coach.
Speaker 4: Well, you act like everybody.
Speaker 12: Knows, you know, to Wikipedia, WeGo said, I think I
Speaker 12: have said three times that he was at Washington States.
Speaker 4: Not Washington.
Speaker 6: He got hard as the head coach at Alabama, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: That where things went sideways.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry he didn't even coach a game. Wow, Okay, it.
Speaker 3: Was off the field incident during a brief That's why
Speaker 3: I said, Google, Wikipedia has.
Speaker 4: It all radar.
Speaker 2: Anyway, But that's how they got together.
Speaker 3: So I ended up there's calling thousands of hits on
Speaker 3: my Prices.
Speaker 6: Brought it up. Well, last time I told that story
Speaker 6: and I mentioned Mike Price.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I remember that. Then he wound up at UTEP.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I called Campbell, called Campbell that you know what.
Speaker 6: It was to ask him about Mike Price, I mean, uh,
Speaker 6: about Mike Zimmer and he said, yeah, he said, the
Speaker 6: good thing about Zim is if those guys need to
Speaker 6: be mf he will, yes, yes, but he will also
Speaker 6: put his arm around the guy and take care of him.
Speaker 5: So so the players trust him. Yeah, And it's not like,
Speaker 5: you know, he's going to be a teddy bear to him.
Speaker 5: He's really gonna, you know, tough.
Speaker 6: But he, as he pointed out in the press conference,
Speaker 6: he goes, but that's what players want.
Speaker 2: They want me to make them better, right.
Speaker 12: And he also even said in there he said, the
Speaker 12: players want to be coached, and the best players really
Speaker 12: want to be coached. And that's as true as it gets.
Speaker 2: You know, they got to work with him too.
Speaker 6: But he couldn't say enough of good things about him,
Speaker 6: and even Dion, I mean he you know, I mean
Speaker 6: that tells you what Dion thought.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he's his confident Hunt. I love Mike Zimmer,
Speaker 3: just this time in Minnesota because he drafted my guy,
Speaker 3: Danil Hunter in the third round.
Speaker 6: Of the draft, right, yeah, and then they've also brought
Speaker 6: back Greg Ellis.
Speaker 4: Oh that's nice.
Speaker 6: I saw that he's going to be defensive assistant, defensive
Speaker 6: line assistant. But he told me when we ran into
Speaker 6: each other last week that he's going to concentrate on
Speaker 6: defensive vents.
Speaker 4: So remember I think that was Greg.
Speaker 5: He was standing outside the dorm and he was about
Speaker 5: he was checking in, he was bringing his stuff in,
Speaker 5: and he had the TV under his arm. I think
Speaker 5: it was Greg, and they talked, you know, so the
Speaker 5: you know, he's checking in, so the media's all day.
Speaker 5: The Cowboys come and train again and they interviewed Greg Ellis. Well,
Speaker 5: they interviewed him for about five minutes and he never
Speaker 5: dropped the TV.
Speaker 4: And that was crazy TV.
Speaker 2: Remember seeing this on TV.
Speaker 4: Trust me, guys, it's out there. He held onto that
Speaker 4: TV the entire interview and it was a big asses.
Speaker 7: Well it was you know, back in the day, so
Speaker 7: it wasn't one of these yeah there those, This was
Speaker 7: the tube TVs.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and he was holding onto the rookie year
Speaker 6: would have been ninety eight and there were.
Speaker 3: No before high definition televisions.
Speaker 6: There was there was no TVs in the dorms. At
Speaker 6: Wichita at Midwestern.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you had to bring your own TV. He
Speaker 5: brought it and he was he was holding the entire interview.
Speaker 5: I think he may have started sweating a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, but well, yeah, because it was it was hot,
Speaker 3: but the TV was heavy.
Speaker 5: Though it wasn't because the TV was heavy. He just
Speaker 5: held on to it. He was just talking talking. Okay, guys.
Speaker 5: It was like okay, okay.
Speaker 3: That's where he made it his first impression for you man.
Speaker 4: This guy, this guy.
Speaker 6: That they make different TVs now in UH in two thousand,
Speaker 6: so it was my first year and I stayed at
Speaker 6: the dorm UH at Midwestern State.
Speaker 4: I should have done that with.
Speaker 3: My twelve pack of Miller like coke.
Speaker 2: Because I moved into the door.
Speaker 4: Makes the funny guy he's got the beer.
Speaker 6: I got the beer, moved into the dorm, and I said, oh,
Speaker 6: I'll go back and get that next day or two
Speaker 6: days later. It was so hot, which tall falls. It
Speaker 6: exploded in the back of my car. All the cans
Speaker 6: just exploded, diet coke.
Speaker 3: All over the place. I wouldn't think about what that
Speaker 3: does in your stomach where it.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Bill, Thanks Bill. That's what he means. Damn it,
Speaker 4: that's exactly what he means.
Speaker 3: Sure, it's over ninety eight degrees in your stomach.
Speaker 4: So that's why the kids went bad.
Speaker 2: It was one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 7: And there's tall falls. That was a waste of time.
Speaker 7: I thought, what the whole story about? No, no, nothing,
Speaker 7: Excuse me, Bill didn't know. We're wasting your time. No,
Speaker 7: I just made being out there.
Speaker 4: It was too hot. It was too hot to practice.
Speaker 6: Well, no, kiddy, it was just too hot.
Speaker 4: I was out there on my tent speed. I almost died. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Did you take part in the one hundred hell hundred?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: But I felt it because I I rode the highway
Speaker 5: from the from the hotel to the practice field.
Speaker 2: You did?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I was with Deocy oh channel, Yeah whatever
Speaker 4: I happen to him.
Speaker 6: Real?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'll let you uh.
Speaker 3: You want to talk about the.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: They also hired Paul Gunther, the defensive run game coordinator,
Speaker 6: Jeff and.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to scanina.
Speaker 6: Scanina defensive line coach. And they just hired Christian Garcia
Speaker 6: as a defensive assistant.
Speaker 3: You don't seem real fired up about these hires, just
Speaker 3: the way you're expressing them you're you don't have a
Speaker 3: lot of energy in your voice. You're not a guess here, mickey,
Speaker 3: So do I.
Speaker 5: Need to, like, just so you know, I get paid
Speaker 5: by some guy who's standing outside and he's like, we
Speaker 5: need to wrap this up.
Speaker 3: So Jerry's outside, not Jim.
Speaker 4: Chris Scotty's out there like, hey, come on because he
Speaker 4: needs you. Yeah, I guess. So, I don't know. I
Speaker 4: don't know. He's think he's looking at me, maybe trying
Speaker 4: to look at Bill.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We get to go to noon and it's now.
Speaker 4: Here we are, it's high noon in one minute after that.
Speaker 3: Okay, So fast forward a week and Combine will be
Speaker 3: over next Monday, and.
Speaker 6: We'll have this and that notebook's going to be filled
Speaker 6: up and the uh mixed part of mixed shots won't
Speaker 6: be here.
Speaker 4: Oh what's up? What happened?
Speaker 6: I might just end up in veil, you know, man,
Speaker 6: you never know?
Speaker 4: Do you think? Baby? Do you think I like it? Y'all?
Speaker 4: Don't ask me questions. I'm not asking anymore.
Speaker 12: So we'll do We'll do our Combine show next to
Speaker 12: Combine show, and it will be also be our NFL
Speaker 12: Free Agency preview.
Speaker 3: So we're going to for agency starts the following Monday.
Speaker 4: We're going to allow on that book.
Speaker 3: Okay, next week, I got my homework assignment.
Speaker 6: That that that green notebook used to look like my
Speaker 6: notes I took in American history and right, little Wow.
Speaker 3: It's funny. Yeah, I got a minder now and everything.
Speaker 4: I think he liked that look. I think it made
Speaker 4: him look like he was doing more than he really was.
Speaker 2: Why green?
Speaker 12: Why can't we have a blue?
Speaker 3: Once upon a time, about fifteen years ago, I had
Speaker 3: for some reason, it was a green notebook, and someone said, hey,
Speaker 3: you ought to start marketing. This is your big green notebook,
Speaker 3: And so I wanted to go to the big Green
Speaker 3: Egg company and get a sponsorship, which never happened, but
Speaker 3: I just kept it in hopes that one day big
Speaker 3: it'll be the big Green Egg and I'll make some
Speaker 3: money off this.
Speaker 4: Anyway, No, that is not happening. That's really asked the
Speaker 4: question doesn't How the hell.
Speaker 3: I'm just happy to be green in one year green?
Speaker 4: The color green means something right, renew, I don't know, knowledge's.
Speaker 3: Right, spring is sprung, yes, you go, yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: color of spring. It's a color of money.
Speaker 6: The green book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're out of time. We're pasted out
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