WEBVTT - Mick Shots: Back & Forth 0:00:02.240 --> 0:00:04.720 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:13.360 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys, This is mick Shot, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:19.119 streaming live on dallascowboys dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys. 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:23.560 After now Here are Bill Jones, Savannah Humuller, Everson Wolves, 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.840 and Mickey Spagnola. 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.600 And Welcome to Mickshots, presented by Miller Lte, the only 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:39.800 beer of the Cowboys. It's Miller time, It's Mickey time. 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:45.760 And here we are, the Monday after all, back together again, 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:51.120 the Monday after what we must win? We will win. 0:00:51.960 --> 0:00:55.240 When is the name of the game? Where were you 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.680 thirty five years ago? Last night? 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.200 What the hell happened? Thirty five years ago? 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:06.880 You got it? Just told you? 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:13.400 Owner and head coach, February twenty fifth, nineteen telling me, Chris, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:16.280 I don't know what the hell he's talking February twenty fifth, 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.200 nineteen nine. Walls your life changed. 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.400 Well it was about Okay, that's the case. Yeah, you're 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:25.360 right about that. If I know what it is now, 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.880 you're right there, you go. Yeah, for the good though, 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:28.959 for the good though, adventure. 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:33.240 I was sitting in the press conference and yourself, where 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:33.520 were you? 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.520 I was in San Antonio actually working in San Antonio. 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:38.600 I didn't come here until nineteen ninety. 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.640 So they didn't ship you here for in Savanna Humuller, 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:42.319 where were you. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:44.520 There? 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:49.960 You got it of her parents, imagine parents. 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:56.200 Yet yes whenever. In fact, I did not realize it 0:01:56.240 --> 0:01:58.480 was February twenty fifth until I looked at my watch 0:01:58.480 --> 0:01:59.760 and I saw I was a twenty fifth. This is 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:05.400 your day. So it bought the Cowboys thirty five years 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.680 ago yesterday. 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:09.200 It was also Frank Lux's birthday? 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.560 Was it really in his his which was a Saturday? 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.360 So his birthday party got destroyed Saturday night at. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:22.079 Valley Bridge, although we did after everybody finished their stories, 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:29.000 we reconvened in tech Shram's office. And you know the 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:33.320 the weird part about the press conference? Did you happen 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:34.120 to listen to it? 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:34.519 Ever? 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:35.359 Since I did not? 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.040 It was it was no and I don't think it 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:39.519 was live. 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:43.040 I think it was well I was in San Antonio, 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:46.120 but I assume it was carried by the local TV 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:50.280 stations here. So it was a real that monumental moment. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:53.840 It was a real weird thing because on one hand, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.680 you had the Jones family kind of celebrate. It was 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:01.200 a big deal, right, Yeah, although holding their breath because 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:03.960 they just spent all their money to buy the Cowboys. 0:03:04.360 --> 0:03:08.760 And then next to it was tech Shram and it 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:09.160 was like. 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:12.040 A funeral, yes, right that I do remember. 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:16.160 The twenty nine years that the you know, organization had 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:22.079 been under one basically roof one coach, one nine years, 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.680 one president earlier in. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.160 Jerry had or in the afternoon, Jerry had gone down 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.720 to Austin to personally let coach Landry know that he's 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.160 no longer the coach of the count And. 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.519 There were all these people in the organization that had 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.440 been there for twenty nine years, so that was not 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.760 a celebration for them, no, and it was It was 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.280 really a weird thing. 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:47.800 And uh, I do remember text looking just looking like 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:49.960 he was not doing well. 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.120 I mean, if you think about it, he was in 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:56.840 the main seat all the time and when the press 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.800 conference began, he didn't have a seat. He was standing 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:05.800 up right. So when we all finished eleven eleven thirty 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:11.320 writing or whatever, we ended up in Texas office and 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.800 we were he was at his desk, he only had 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.080 a couple of chairs. The rest of us were sitting 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:23.200 on the floor, right, and uh and Frank hadn't said 0:04:23.279 --> 0:04:27.360 anything yet. And then finally it was getting close to midnight. 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.960 He goes, well, I better get up finish my birthday. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:33.359 My wife's waiting for me. 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:35.159 It was midnight. 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:41.160 She ain't waiting for you, But yeah, right, birthday. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:45.800 I just remember, you know, at the time, you know, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.080 the teams, as far as the players were concerned, Uh, 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.960 they were kind of at that wits end as well. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:56.000 You know, just things weren't going well. Tom was trying 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.279 to do his best, you know, to salvage whatever talent 0:04:59.360 --> 0:04:59.920 we had left. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.960 Don't come off three and thirteen season. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.520 You know, when when you have things going like that, 0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:10.320 then the front office you can see, you can see 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.000 it happening from from the top down. You know, things 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:16.240 were just going bad. They weren't making good decisions, we 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.520 weren't playing well. Everything was obviously they didn't put a 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:22.240 good product on the field. Much as we tried to 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.919 be competitive, you know, you can it's not what they 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:27.880 don't want competitive here, that's that didn't work for us. 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:31.240 And you could just as players, we were like, you know, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.200 they they have to go, you know, the regime. You know, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.040 we were kind of like, hey, that's just the way 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:39.640 it goes. Players get cut all the time. Even though 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:43.919 as unique as this was, we were thinking it's time. 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:46.640 We were thinking it's time, but a lot of players 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.839 don't ever realize when it's time for them, then it's 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:52.080 also going to be time for some of us as well. 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.280 You can, you can put it in today's terms, probably 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:57.559 what was going on in the last couple of years 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:00.840 in New England with Bill Belichick. It's time. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:02.920 Yeah, so how did you find out? 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:05.000 Uh, you know, it was all over the news. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:05.960 It was all over them. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:07.040 Yeah, that's how you found out. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.760 There was somebody saw it, someone somewhere else, and they 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:10.599 all kept me. 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.840 And the story had broken a day or two before. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.840 In fact, it was Tom Murray at Channel five who 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:22.960 broke the story on this. Uh, Jerry Jones from Arkansas, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.680 I was going to buy the Cowboys. 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.640 And everybody was like, oh wait this guy. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:34.800 And then of course Jerry and Jimmy had dinner at MIA's. Yep, 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.159 and Ivan mas Elgis from the Dallas Morning News just 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.960 happened to be dining at MIA's that same night and 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.080 knew Jimmy from I didn't know who that was with 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:50.279 Jimmy probably but from covering college football. And then he 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.600 called down to the Dallas Morning News and said, get 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.400 me a photographer, and it was in the front page 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:58.039 of the Dallas Morning News that morning. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.320 You think he had to go to Jerry had to 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:05.080 go to a pay phone or in the restaurant to 0:07:05.160 --> 0:07:06.240 make that phone call. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:08.560 Now you can just get your phone out and take 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:09.480 the picture of yourself. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.520 Well, every time we sound so old. 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:19.240 Experienced experience, Well that's what you miss, Savannah thirty five 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:19.880 years ago. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:21.400 I know the story. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:22.600 Huh, that's right. 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.520 It was kind of you know, like I said, when 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:26.440 he first came in, remember the excitement. 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:29.280 I mean it was just, you know, he passed. It 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:30.160 was past all of. 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.200 The you know, cursing out the kicker and all of that. 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.800 Way past all of that. We got into pre season. 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:39.800 Everything was like very exciting. We were like three we 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:41.760 were three and one. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:42.480 In pre season. O. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.800 But but the but initially and it was like whoa, 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:49.480 we're gonna hey, thank god Jimmy and Jimmy are here. 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:53.040 But initially the fan base was a lot of the 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:58.000 fan base was in shock. In fact, was my sister. 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:02.120 It was a long time Boys fan. I remember getting 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.480 a call from her and she's I'm never gonna be 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:05.800 a fan of that team again. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:09.680 No one wanted time to go. 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.280 But then she was front row and center when they 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:13.679 were written in the super Bowl. 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:19.800 Well yeah, because just to be honest, the players they 0:08:19.800 --> 0:08:20.800 were not as. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:23.240 Heartbroken at all. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.840 Yeah, I mean, you know, you could kind of you know, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.520 he's human, I mean, he was what could he do 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.280 with us? We want that talented you know, you wanted 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.920 to make miracles and you know, you like like Ron Spaine, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:38.480 you just to say you can't make chicken salad, chicken crap. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:40.800 So uh, that's what he was trying to do the 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:43.200 entire time, and he just couldn't do it well. 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:49.000 And you know, as truth be known, in that super 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.640 Bowl that year, So it was the eighty eight season, 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:58.080 eighty nine super Bowl was in Miami. Guest in the 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:04.480 Cowboys suite at the super Bowl was Jimmy Johnson. Gil 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.800 Brandt invited him because Gill had all the connections with 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.080 all the college coaches and everything. 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:17.560 So gilating that is made despite the owners for even 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:20.640 if bum Bright's still the owner, right that if a 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.240 move is made on Landry, that Jimmy would be a candidate. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.320 I don't know if it was coincidence or not. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.560 It was an odd time for Gil as well. Oh yeah, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.600 a lot of crazy stuff was going on with him. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:32.760 It was a tough time for well. 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.240 And they kept him around through the draft and then 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:37.439 he wouldn't leave. 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:38.480 He too had to go. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:39.920 He wouldn't leave. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:42.960 Well, you say it right, man, He would not leave. 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:44.040 He was kept out. 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:47.559 It took him a while to leave his office. And 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:48.960 I say a while about a week. 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.600 So, well, he had to collect all his stuff. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:52.640 Yeah, I could. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:56.440 Well to cont wrap up my story on my sister 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:59.480 call and I said, well, you may be mad right now, 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.960 but there about to get Troy Yeate minute quarterback. This 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:03.600 team is about to get really good. 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.120 Yeah, and then we end up it wasn't just Troy, 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:09.200 but it was what's the other quarterback. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:12.719 Steve Walsh? And then the supplemental draft, which was you're 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.120 trading away next year's one, and then they got but 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.720 then they traded Steve Walsh and got multiple draft picks 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:20.080 for him. 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:23.000 How they did that, yeah, that's right, No idea how 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:23.600 they did's right? 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:28.200 Yeah, that was my answer to the Trey Lance question 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:33.360 last week. He was like, well, we wasted a fourth 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.920 round pick on Trey Lance. I said, well, how do 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.280 you know I had even been to training camp or 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:43.200 had a practice with the real team. I said, And 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.000 what if he gets to pre season and he plays 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:50.840 well and somebody gets a quarterback hurt and they go, oh, 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:52.560 we'll give you a second from him. 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.120 You never know, you never know. 0:10:56.120 --> 0:11:01.080 So but yeah, you know, it's funny because when I 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:05.040 saw it was February twenty fifth, I'm going, why do 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.320 I got to remember this date? 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.760 It was like, do I have a bill due that 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:09.640 I got to pay? 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:14.200 Right edited dawn Dog, It's like, oh, it's Frank's birthday, 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.880 the late Frank, Uncle Frank. 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:23.440 All right, Well, spinning it towards twenty twenty four, and 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:28.680 we're spinning very closely towards the new year. We are 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.839 two weeks away today, two weeks away from the start 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:37.800 of free agency, and NFL teams convening today or yesterday 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:42.040 in Indianapolis for the combine, which actually we don't look 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.640 at it on TV on the NFL network until later 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.040 in the week. But I think the linebackers are the 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:48.120 first ones in today. 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.080 They didn't care about showing the linebacker They don't all 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:52.320 the behind the scenes stuff. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.319 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. By the time. The workout is 0:11:56.320 --> 0:11:59.360 the last thing they do, the position groups, and. 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:04.719 So testing is it testing to starts today? Yeah, and 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.079 we've already seen a couple of quarterbacks not gonna throw, 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:14.560 including Heisman Trophy winner Jadon Daniels. 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.240 And Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams. 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:16.640 Yes. 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.199 Yeah, which, by the way, I. 0:12:20.160 --> 0:12:25.640 Am, I am. My football presence is just not there today. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.200 I just feel like, I just feel like the football 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.240 season was so long ago. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:40.439 You need your big green notebooks gotten bigger, and look 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.480 how empty it is right now. That's gonna fill up. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.280 This is this is the big green NFL draft scouting 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.280 notebook which I was at spring training last week. I 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.960 was said, baseball on my mind all week, and today 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:57.480 I opened up my big green notebook and started filling 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:57.839 it in. 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.760 Which, by the way, having said that, it's a really 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:02.400 good story on Evan Carter. 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:05.959 Thank you, thank you, and the Cowboys need to find 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.480 some Evan Carter's in this draft. Ye star for the 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.360 Texas Rangers at twenty one years old, got called up 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:16.840 in September last year and had a parade in Elizabethon, Tennessee. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.040 Jason Witten, I forgot about that, huh. 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:26.840 Two great athletes out of that little town. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:31.199 Yeah, it's amazing. What was second? 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:37.240 Oh and I saw Nate Newton got invited inducted into 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.200 the Texas Black Hall of Fame. 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:45.360 This weekend Sports Hall of Fame, Sports Sports, Texas Black 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:46.440 Sports Hall of Fame. 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.320 Well maybe the other one too. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:56.040 That's a big Texas Black man right there. You got 0:13:56.040 --> 0:13:58.560 a you know, sports sports hall. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.880 Okay, I need to go to your Wikipedia page to 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.720 see if you're already in the Sports Hall Fame. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.599 Okay. Matter of fact, I spoke for the class. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:09.400 So you're a Hall of Famer. 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.720 Yeah, several, No, but I recalled. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.440 That was very cool for us because uh uh I 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.880 spoke for the class and part of the guys that 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.680 went in was the nineteen fifty three class from Prairie View, 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:27.640 A And m well, my dad was a part of 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:28.400 that class. 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:28.760 Wow. 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.520 But he didn't finish He didn't finish college. He had 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.120 to come back home after being so cute with my mom. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:36.720 He had to come back home raise a kid, right, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.240 So uh but those were all his friends and so 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.960 uh yeah, I called him he could he couldn't make it. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.320 He wasn't doing well. So I called him that night 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:47.760 and all the guys you know, said hi to him 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.040 and everything like that. So that was very cool. 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.880 Which, by the way, I don't think I mentioned it 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.360 last week because we didn't have the show on Monday. 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:56.520 We had it on Tuesday. 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.120 That's when I missed it. 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:03.120 I did, Yeah, I did. I hadn't done before I 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:09.080 went to the Davy O'Brien Awards banquet, Uh, Jaden Daniels 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:14.840 LSU coach. Uh. And they induct a legend every year 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.680 also and it was Danny White. 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:18.840 Yeah. I saw that. 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:20.320 I saw that, and so I had a good talk 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:21.680 with Danny there. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:22.640 Uh. 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:26.760 It was good to see him. He's got his his 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:33.480 adult daughter, Heather Kennedy. They're working on a book and 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:39.520 he's got a book coming out in June, Spotlights and Shadows. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.280 It's titled Yeah, so got to talk to her about it. 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:50.880 Uh yeah, right. But anyway, they they induct a it 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.920 doesn't mean he had been a Davy O'Brien Award winner. 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:58.200 That just somebody that had played well in college, uh 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:00.440 and went on into the NFL. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:00.720 You know. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.840 In fact, they didn't have a Davy O'Brien bay because 0:16:03.880 --> 0:16:05.560 he started Arizona State. 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:08.400 His seventy four would have been his his draft class, 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.760 so seventy one, seventy two, seventy three, and one of 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.800 the things we years ago, Wow, if we think about it, 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:22.680 the Arizona Republics Go, the newspaper in Phoenix, selected him 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:29.000 as the Arizona Athlete of the Century of the century. 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:31.520 Wow. You know. He went to Arizona State on a 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:36.160 baseball scholarship to play baseball for Bobby Winkles at Arizona State. 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:39.880 Remember Reggie Jackson played at Arizona State and so and. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:40.960 Then ended up playing football. 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.600 He wound up playing football, right, Franks Cush. 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.160 Yeah, Frank Cusher's the football coach. 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:52.280 Three times, won the Western Athletic Conference three years in 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:55.960 a row, won the Fiesta Bowl three years in a row. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:00.160 He left college and I didn't know this too. I 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:04.080 kind of read his bio as the nation's leading career 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.240 passer at that time from for yards. So he was. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.679 He was awfully good. And then signed the personal services 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:16.520 contract with Memphis of the World Football League, and the 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.800 Cowboys just took a flyer on him because he had 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.320 already done it. So they said, okay, we'll use a 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.399 third round pick on him and see what happens. And 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.320 see oh, I said, Yeah, it was. 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:30.400 The WFLAH World Football League. 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:34.480 Yeah, it's it's so weird when you. 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.400 Hear of all the accolades that he has. 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.240 Yeah, and when he came here, it didn't mean jack, 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.640 you know, because you got he was the punter. Yeah, 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.200 I mean, you know, it's just lets you know, when 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:46.520 you you can have all those accolades, but then when 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.880 you get to the pros, you know, no one even 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:50.600 thinks about that. All they know is he's a number 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.200 two quarterback behind by. 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:56.680 Just and rarely had to play. But he punted. Got 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:57.880 a super Bowl ring. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:03.600 All around the athlete, right baseball, all football and a punter. 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:04.440 That's a lot of skill. 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:06.200 That's a lot of skill. Yeah. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:09.879 I liked about What I liked about him was he 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:15.000 rarely punted. You know, they had to look out for him. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.360 He would take off a lot and that there were 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.480 many games where that really helped us. You know, it 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:22.520 really did help us out on that that fourth down 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:24.720 and he picks up that fourth down, we continue our drive. 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.280 He did that so many times. We don't punters don't 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:29.040 They just don't do that? 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:30.879 Now? Can they do that? Is it? 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.760 Because the rule is that what the way that they 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:38.320 tea well, nowadays punters don't. They don't fake the punt 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.400 and run as much as did. Danny did that a lot. 0:18:43.480 --> 0:18:46.159 That was well, now they got the ass and the 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.680 rugby guys coming in as kickers, and they can run 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.080 the ball where they used. 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:54.080 To think about what a threat that is a punter 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.359 when you've got a three time All American quarterback punting 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:58.160 for you well. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.280 And the other thing that used to happen back then 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.400 was the quick kick, like if you weren't getting anywhere 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:05.720 and you were at third. 0:19:05.520 --> 0:19:09.880 Down and you have a quarterback from the from the side, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.840 so you gimp go. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:18.120 Forever forever, right. Danny's funny story. He told me this 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:21.200 long time ago. So when he became the starting quarterback 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.800 in eighty he was still punny uh and eighty one 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:30.360 skilled punny, right, And he'd go to Gill every year 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.480 and say, you know, I'm doing both. Don't you think 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.920 I should get a raise? Gil goes, yeah, yeah, I'll 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.680 talk to Tom. Well I think three years after Yeah, yeah, 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:40.840 I've talked to Tom. 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:42.520 Uh. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.520 Gil told him you should go talk to Tom. 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:47.520 So he goes in. 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:49.399 And he goes, you know, coach, he goes I'm the 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:52.720 starting quarterback, but I'm still punning. And I was wondering, 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.120 you know, maybe I can get paid a little bit 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:58.440 more because I'm doing both and he said. Tom looked 0:19:58.440 --> 0:20:02.160 at him and goes, well, Annie, you know when I played, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.320 the more you could do to help the team, the 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:05.959 better off the team was. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:11.880 And he was like, what do I say? 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:08.800 No? 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.560 Because the BS coming from the coach's office was just 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:15.520 thick all the time. 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:17.960 I was waiting to hear what he was going to say. 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.640 What else could. 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:21.800 And Tom would always say, oh, I don't know anything 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:26.840 about contracts. I have no idea. Okay, Tom, Yeah, they 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.040 played it so much, man, it was ridiculous. I was 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:30.240 waiting to hear what he was going to say. 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:31.639 Yeah, he made him. 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:33.240 He left him speech. 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.760 Well, you know, what can you say that? The conversations 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:38.000 with Tom was so brief. 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:41.520 I don't remember anyone really having a long conversation as 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:42.960 far as player the coach with Tom. 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.880 Langer the eighty four season. 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.879 That's the first year we didn't make the playoffs. 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:51.919 Right, And I think there was a maybe there was 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:57.400 a game after I'm trying to remember why I had 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:01.119 to call him at home after a aim and I 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:03.360 think maybe it was before your final game. 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.800