Speaker 1: What's up everyone on Tory Deal And I'm Anissa Ferreira
Speaker 1: and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 2: And this week Anisa, we're playing Dirty, Won't Get Dirty
Speaker 2: Down and Dirty Muddy.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I loved this challenge. It looks like so much fun.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm I'm This is one of the
Speaker 2: ones that if you're going to get a heights over
Speaker 2: water challenge, this is the signd of This.
Speaker 3: Is the one you want. You're sliding, You're literally sliding.
Speaker 1: You're literally going to the water park and you're going
Speaker 1: up the steps because there's no line and it keeps
Speaker 1: sliding down. But there's a little puzzle at the end,
Speaker 1: a little poosley. Yeah, who doesn't like one of those.
Speaker 1: It's not a far swim. I mean, this one was fun.
Speaker 2: Not only that so many teams competed well during this
Speaker 2: challenge that I had zero idea who was gonna win this, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so many people can competed well, and it's always nice
Speaker 2: to see that many people do well because you want
Speaker 2: the competition to be stiff, like that is that the
Speaker 2: right word stiff?
Speaker 1: Stiff comes you. You want the competition to be stiff.
Speaker 3: Is that right, Steep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, okay, their stiff competition means that they're they're
Speaker 1: hard competition, but it's okay, well.
Speaker 3: We're gonna let it go right now.
Speaker 1: Speaking of stiff competition, Adam and Steve win.
Speaker 3: So so good, thank god they needed that.
Speaker 1: But Frank and Sam get a damn star. Yeah. So
Speaker 1: they went from winning the last challenge and start in
Speaker 1: the pot, set shit up, slam dunk, and then now
Speaker 1: they have a star, so now they can run the final.
Speaker 2: It's really great knowing that. In the trivia challenge, literally
Speaker 2: right before everyone was saying Frank and Sam were the
Speaker 2: weakest team, they end up winning that challenge. Obviously, they
Speaker 2: shake up the game by throwing in the two guy
Speaker 2: guy pairs against each other, you know, rip t R
Speaker 2: Guy Dave and Leroy like but still like it was
Speaker 2: a really big move for the entire house, and now
Speaker 2: they get their star. So I think it's just like
Speaker 2: and watching them hug at the end like that, like
Speaker 2: watching Sam like so hype, Like it got me hype
Speaker 2: for them. I'm like, wow, that's it's cool to watch
Speaker 2: somebody's trajectory go up like that.
Speaker 1: I could play a lot of video games a big gamer. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's what I like to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I also really like watching Nanni and Turbo compete
Speaker 3: in this one. I think that he was so calm with.
Speaker 2: Her, and Nannie's really good at this wordle type of game,
Speaker 2: like we've seen her win eliminations like this in the past,
Speaker 2: where she's organized letters like this was Nannie's jam, So
Speaker 2: I almost.
Speaker 3: Thought for a second maybe Nannie and Turbo were gonna win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I think that she needed to trust him
Speaker 1: more mm hm, and maybe they maybe they could have.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can't talk about what could have happened
Speaker 1: but didn't ye right, I think going forward, uh, hopefully
Speaker 1: trust is being established more so where they can work
Speaker 1: and work together well and win a challenge.
Speaker 2: I also thought that Big Tea and Corey could have
Speaker 2: won because Corey's strategy of oh my god, literally snowing
Speaker 2: that was amazing. Mike had a great strategy.
Speaker 1: He really did, but it did take a lot of time,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it was a good strategy. My favorite was
Speaker 1: eliminate Wait there's no other e.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Victim's so cute.
Speaker 1: She's like oops, premature.
Speaker 2: She is a fierce competitor, but also like such a
Speaker 2: jokester along like through and through.
Speaker 1: Oh, she's so funny. She's so funny. So that was
Speaker 1: that was great.
Speaker 2: I think that like this episode was really really rich
Speaker 2: in terms of competition, but then also obviously strategy and
Speaker 2: political play.
Speaker 3: And I actually really liked how it.
Speaker 2: Opened up with Davon and Shane because we really haven't
Speaker 2: seen a lot of them, and now we know why they.
Speaker 3: Have been floating in the middle in the best way
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 2: Like that is truly the spot that everyone likes to
Speaker 2: be in because that spot carries you far into the
Speaker 2: game and.
Speaker 1: So you're not making the decisions. You're not winning exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't think you're a threat, you're not losing, so
Speaker 1: people don't think that you'd be a layup. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I also think that they they really don't have a
Speaker 1: choice because because their alliances are on different sides. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the best way to not make it too much
Speaker 1: friction is to be in the middle exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, for sure, and it's a spot that you
Speaker 2: don't choose to be in. You're kind of gifted it
Speaker 2: based on your previous relationships coming in. But it was
Speaker 2: like really cool to actually get a peek into what
Speaker 2: they've got going on. And then obviously, I mean, this
Speaker 2: whole thing breaks out with Veronica and Katie and.
Speaker 3: Like you just can't. I can't give Veronica enough credit.
Speaker 2: You can't give her enough credit, and Katie too, like
Speaker 2: the master Class music again, it's so good.
Speaker 1: So the funny thing is, and I think I brought
Speaker 1: it up before, like CT had CT's pro tips on forty.
Speaker 1: The crazy thing is that Katie hadn't seen forty. Wasn't
Speaker 1: we were filming.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's so much.
Speaker 1: Master Class that I'm like, come on, Era one, just
Speaker 1: being smart coming up with shit. These are ultimate gamers,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like when you realize when
Speaker 1: a game changes so much from when you started and
Speaker 1: you just have to keep adapting. It just it just
Speaker 1: shows versatility and it and it shows just that quick
Speaker 1: witted kind of like I mean, you don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of time to do a master plan, you know.
Speaker 1: But but Veronica had her power dress on. She said,
Speaker 1: I'm making moves in my son dress.
Speaker 2: And speaking of Veronica's dress, her in her in her interviews,
Speaker 2: she looks gorgeous.
Speaker 1: I have that on. I know, I'm like, I can't
Speaker 1: even with that Free People number looking like a little
Speaker 1: bit of fucking honey.
Speaker 3: I loved it, not honey mustard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I didn't get the whole word out
Speaker 1: because it's it didn't sound like a compliment when it
Speaker 1: was coming out of my mouth. But she looks stunning.
Speaker 1: And it's great because she's not trying to deny it
Speaker 1: in these interviews. She's literally like, this is what I'm doing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh it's great, and I think it's incredible. This makes
Speaker 1: her great television. This is what viewers want to see.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And it's interesting because I think that there's a
Speaker 2: lot of players in the game at this point that
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say a lot, but like there's a handful
Speaker 2: of people who think they are maybe puppet mastering, but
Speaker 2: like there are I think a few standout ones who
Speaker 2: are because there's a lot of big strategic personalities in
Speaker 2: the game. You have Veronica, right and Katie who are
Speaker 2: playing very strategically. Then you have Frank who was doing
Speaker 2: the same who I would put right up there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: his game just wasn't it didn't need to be necessarily
Speaker 2: highlighted in this round.
Speaker 1: But I think that he definitely sent this one off
Speaker 1: and we're gonna I mean talk to him in the
Speaker 1: future about it. But I think his little conversations in
Speaker 1: the beginning was just like a sprinkle and then the
Speaker 1: ball starts rolling. Yeah, I think him and Veronica together
Speaker 1: are dangerous of him, Veronica and a splash of Katie
Speaker 1: dangerous cocktail, dangerous mix, but I'm here for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Also, Corey Lay and Big T like and Melissa, I
Speaker 2: don't think they realized how gamed they got this episode,
Speaker 2: because obviously big T and Corey voted the way they voted,
Speaker 2: thinking that they weren't going to be thrown in by
Speaker 2: Adam and Steve. Yeah, and bamboozled, bamboozled, totally buzzled. Then
Speaker 2: also watching Melissa, like, obviously it's sad your friend going home,
Speaker 2: But watching Melissa's reaction to when Big T lost and
Speaker 2: Corey lost, She's like, no, I know, I know, it's
Speaker 2: so like Disney Princess.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I was like telling Novilla dramatics. I loved it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it's just it's I mean, they
Speaker 1: do love each other immensely.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, they're best friends. You know, it's got
Speaker 3: to be hard.
Speaker 1: People did people got gamed. I mean they did, But
Speaker 1: if you think about it, You're in a controlled environment
Speaker 1: where you have zero control, you have no escape, you
Speaker 1: have no distractions. So when someone's like, hey, so I
Speaker 1: heard someone was talking to you talking about you, you
Speaker 1: literally take that at face value because you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, maybe they are, maybe they're not. Like all
Speaker 1: you need is one drop of doubt to mess up
Speaker 1: your whole mindset. It doesn't have to be true at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the other thing is is once people have information,
Speaker 2: they it's very difficult to withhold that information from your
Speaker 2: partner because you're looking for someone to confide in. You're
Speaker 2: also on the same team. So another shout out to Davon.
Speaker 2: In this episode, she mentions that she doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 2: to tell Shane everything because she recognizes that it's not
Speaker 2: for the best of her. And I think that is amazing,
Speaker 2: Like to hold all of that information inside you and
Speaker 2: to not crack. That speaks to the strategy of a
Speaker 2: Big Brother player.
Speaker 1: Of course, well, she says something. She risks him saying
Speaker 1: something exactly. Veronica and him are very close. Veronica and
Speaker 1: Davon are playing different games. She risks her own gameplay,
Speaker 1: you know, like Jess, because we're partners. Doesn't mean we
Speaker 1: need to play the same way. You don't need to
Speaker 1: know everything. I'm thinking there's no trust right there with
Speaker 1: that pair, So it's interesting. It's going to be interesting
Speaker 1: to see how they fare and what happens and if
Speaker 1: they're going to get on the same page.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a lot going on this episode. And
Speaker 2: I also love that we got to see a lot
Speaker 2: more of Dario and Ashley. I feel like we saw
Speaker 2: them in the beginning when they won their first star
Speaker 2: and then you know that he started to wow, wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daros darysh.
Speaker 3: You mean that, Yeah, and then he had his conversation
Speaker 3: with Devin, the.
Speaker 2: Ultimate Devin Dario debacle, Yeah, of twenty twenty five. And
Speaker 2: now we get to see them win an elimination together,
Speaker 2: and I just think it's it's really cool to watch
Speaker 2: them step up perform. Well, I'm really curious, like what
Speaker 2: that was like for her to be back with Dario
Speaker 2: since they broke up. You know, we got to like
Speaker 2: peek into their relationship for the first time. It took
Speaker 2: half the season to finally get this convo.
Speaker 1: Right, So glad we got it. Yeah, exactly, thanks for
Speaker 1: that ownership, Dario, totally. Yeah, well, if we're really gonna
Speaker 1: dive deep into this, we're gonna need somebody to talk
Speaker 1: about it with. We have Ashley Marie Kelsey coming to
Speaker 1: the podcast right after this break, so stay tuned, we'll
Speaker 1: be right back.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, everybody. I am so excited because this is.
Speaker 2: My favorite part of the podcast where we get to
Speaker 2: interview one amazing challenger and you have not seen this
Speaker 2: woman since Invasion of the Champions. She is the champion
Speaker 2: of Battle of the Seasons and hands down, one of
Speaker 2: the most gorgeous challengers to ever grace the screen.
Speaker 3: Please welcome Ashley Kelsey.
Speaker 4: What an intro. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 4: It felt so good to be back. Honestly, I had
Speaker 4: been gone for far too long and I felt like
Speaker 4: the timing was just right.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean, it's so good to see you back.
Speaker 3: It's been a really, really, really long time.
Speaker 4: I know, it definitely has been forever, and I was
Speaker 4: extremely nervous to come back this season. Let me just
Speaker 4: say that, did.
Speaker 1: You enjoy your Dario Ashley pairing intro music?
Speaker 4: You know, I've I feel like it fits us perfect.
Speaker 1: It was slow and seductive.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: I mean, watching you two work together I mean, you
Speaker 1: guys are a good team, but it you know, even
Speaker 1: playing alongside you didn't hear like the little conversation. So
Speaker 1: watching the dynamic is so is so fun from this side.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, going into it, I was definitely not
Speaker 4: I didn't really know how it was going to go.
Speaker 4: You imagine not seeing somebody that you really love for
Speaker 4: six years straight, no phone calls, no text, no nothing.
Speaker 4: It was like we are done and we did not.
Speaker 4: It was like neither one of us existed anymore. So
Speaker 4: then being like you're going to be partnered and playing together,
Speaker 4: it's a little.
Speaker 1: So much, you know, and sleeping in the same room.
Speaker 4: So I didn't really know how the dynamic was going
Speaker 4: to go, and it was definitely very uncomfortable at many
Speaker 4: times prior to having like a solid conversation about it,
Speaker 4: just because I feel like it needed to happen. You know.
Speaker 2: I give you a lot of credit because I'm definitely
Speaker 2: the person who is like, if we have to talk
Speaker 2: about it, we got to talk about it now. And
Speaker 2: I feel like it was very clear that you were like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Dario come to me on this one.
Speaker 2: And I just think that's like really honorable because I
Speaker 2: could have never done that. So talk to us a
Speaker 2: little bit more about the patients. It took for you
Speaker 2: to not just jump the gun on the conversation and
Speaker 2: let it happen naturally.
Speaker 4: I kind of felt like if it didn't happen naturally,
Speaker 4: that it would have been forced, and then the answers
Speaker 4: that I would have gotten would have not been true,
Speaker 4: or they wouldn't have been, you know, the ones that
Speaker 4: he wanted to give me, because Dario definitely had sat
Speaker 4: on this for many years and I wanted it to
Speaker 4: make sure that the conversation when we finally had it
Speaker 4: was like I was actually going to get answers and
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to sit there and be like, you know,
Speaker 4: him just saying what he felt like he needed to say.
Speaker 4: And if he didn't do that on his own terms,
Speaker 4: he's a guy. You know, guys need to do that
Speaker 4: when they're ready, not when you're ready. That it just
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been as authentic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a fair thing to say, and
Speaker 2: I just again think that that takes a lot of
Speaker 2: strength as a woman to do that.
Speaker 4: So oh yeah, you know, I was like, I was like,
Speaker 4: what is this going to happen, like, is he going
Speaker 4: to talk to me? Like I I would definitely ask,
Speaker 4: Like me and Franquent have conversations about it all the
Speaker 4: time because he's like my number one go to man,
Speaker 4: you know, my bestie, and he's like, you know, I
Speaker 4: just feel like he's not ready for it yet. He
Speaker 4: even he would talk to him too. It was kind
Speaker 4: of like Frank was that middle man girlfriend in the
Speaker 4: situation where like, yeah, he's the one that we both
Speaker 4: were going to but weren't talking to each other, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He as your therapist. So do you think that now
Speaker 1: that you've had this conversation that you guys are going
Speaker 1: to work better together? Do you think it's going to
Speaker 1: be easier. Are you more comfortable now that you've had
Speaker 1: the conversation going forward?
Speaker 4: I think that it makes it more comfortable. I don't.
Speaker 4: I think we're going to play well together regardless, because
Speaker 4: we kind of shut it out when it comes to
Speaker 4: the challenges and just compete. But in terms of like
Speaker 4: being in the house and being able to hang out
Speaker 4: and like adding another dynamic to our relationship is only
Speaker 4: beneficial to trusting him more because you know, if you
Speaker 4: look back at the Heights Challenge on the side of
Speaker 4: that damn building, Like I was so nervous, and I
Speaker 4: and Frank had said to me, it's like, if you
Speaker 4: were with me, I don't think you would have been
Speaker 4: as nervous. I think you trust me and like you
Speaker 4: would have just fallowed my lead. But like, this is
Speaker 4: someone that you broke your trust in the past, so
Speaker 4: you're still trying to like get that back. And that
Speaker 4: played into me not feeling as secure as I probably
Speaker 4: could have been up there. And I was like, wow,
Speaker 4: that's a good way of looking at it, because I
Speaker 4: didn't trust him, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the challenge producers knew what they were doing
Speaker 2: when they brought that Height Challenge in so early, because
Speaker 2: none of the pairs had the opportunity to fully resolve
Speaker 2: anything yet. So the amount of arguing during that challenge,
Speaker 2: the amount of people who didn't go through with it,
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I still don't want it. I don't care.
Speaker 1: If God was up there holding my hand, I just
Speaker 1: would have been like, I don't know about this one.
Speaker 1: Dj oh No.
Speaker 4: It was absolutely terrifying, Like it was the scariest thing ever.
Speaker 4: And I don't care about heids over water, Like people
Speaker 4: usually get nervous about that. Me, I'm like, put me
Speaker 4: up over the water. I feel like because I know
Speaker 4: I'm going to land and like we got the water
Speaker 4: down there, I'm fine, but like it's like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be dead, Like there's just no way, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And that fear is just in my soul.
Speaker 3: I don't know totally.
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's natural, Ashley. It's a natural response. People
Speaker 1: that like fear, I mean in heights and and all
Speaker 1: of that thrill seeking shit. They're a different breed of humans.
Speaker 1: I don't think everyone is meant to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm so you've been away for a while.
Speaker 1: Do you think the game has changed a lot? Do
Speaker 1: you think it's forced you to play a different game?
Speaker 4: I think that I normally sit back and let everybody.
Speaker 4: That's why I said I want a man to lead
Speaker 4: in the challenge. And this is why I stated that
Speaker 4: is that's how I played in the past, Like I
Speaker 4: let my teammates lead me. You know, I was with
Speaker 4: on a team with Zach and Frank or it didn't matter,
Speaker 4: which is that anyways, you know what I mean? So,
Speaker 4: like I kind of stop back and just let them
Speaker 4: do their thing. And that's what I was used to
Speaker 4: in the past, So I think that's where that came from.
Speaker 4: Where I was just like, Okay, you tell me what
Speaker 4: to do, I'm gonna follow suit and we're gonna make
Speaker 4: this happen. But then I started really as the challenge
Speaker 4: went by that like I was actually smarter, and not
Speaker 4: that him, but just smarter in general. Like I knew
Speaker 4: how to play the game, Like I knew what moves
Speaker 4: were happening. I could see things, and I was like,
Speaker 4: I need to, you know, have more trust in myself
Speaker 4: in the fact that like I can still play my game,
Speaker 4: you know, not just rely on him doing it because
Speaker 4: that's kind of what I was doing in the past.
Speaker 3: Wow, I really love that for you.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know, up to this point
Speaker 2: in the season, we haven't really had a lot of
Speaker 2: you and Dario because you know, you guys have been
Speaker 2: flying under the radar a bit, with the exception of
Speaker 2: the fight that Devin had and Leroy had with Dario.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because I feel like we're starting to
Speaker 2: see a lot more of you now and I'm just
Speaker 2: like curious, like, what are what were your first impressions
Speaker 2: just based off this episode after you saw it, because
Speaker 2: you guys were pretty centered.
Speaker 3: I mean, you guys went into elimination and everything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, what's crazy about that is we didn't see
Speaker 4: that coming at all, Like when I tell you, we
Speaker 4: were chilling by the pool, like like nothing was going
Speaker 4: to happen because our name was never brought bamboozled you
Speaker 4: in any conversation with anybody, Like even if looking back
Speaker 4: and watching those side conversations, obviously I didn't see my
Speaker 4: name was still not brought up. It was totally different people.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it
Speaker 4: was like boom got pushed into it. And we were
Speaker 4: so taken back by that. But to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: it gave us such confidence going into that elimination. I'm
Speaker 4: not even joking because when I said, like, I'm not
Speaker 4: holding any grudges against anybody, like I'm going in to play,
Speaker 4: like I really felt that way. I was like, whatever,
Speaker 4: this is a game, Like I'm not going to sit
Speaker 4: here and cry and like get mad at everybody, like
Speaker 4: we're going in. We're going in. I have to go
Speaker 4: in with that mentality in order to come out successful,
Speaker 4: and I feel like that's what made us play that game.
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, you guys crushed the elimination for Yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys did crush it.
Speaker 4: I wish they showed like how like I was just
Speaker 4: like grabbing the stars like they were nothing. I was
Speaker 4: just like, I'm just going to do this as fast
Speaker 4: as possible. And I actually thought.
Speaker 3: I killed it a little ticker bell were little ticker bell.
Speaker 2: Think, Well, I think that mentality of being like, you know,
Speaker 2: if I go in worst case scenario, if you go in,
Speaker 2: I mean it's always you go home. But you know,
Speaker 2: as we've as we know you personally, and also you've
Speaker 2: mentioned on the show, you know you have Snow back home.
Speaker 2: Who shout out to Snow She got a shout out
Speaker 2: in this episode, So knowing that she's at home and
Speaker 2: there for you, and then you also have like obviously
Speaker 2: the competition happening in the challenge, does it alleviate some
Speaker 2: of the stress, Like, well, if I go home, I
Speaker 2: go home to my kid.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was my number one little phrase I said.
Speaker 4: I was like, if the worst thing that happens to me,
Speaker 4: say is I go home to my daughter, Like I'm
Speaker 4: already winning. So I used to say that all the time,
Speaker 4: and I felt like it really just made me play
Speaker 4: a better game. Like in the past it was like
Speaker 4: I want to say, I want to say, and like
Speaker 4: not that I don't want to say. Of course, I
Speaker 4: want to stay and win, like that's the whole point
Speaker 4: of being there, but at the same time, like I'm
Speaker 4: not going back to a life that I hate. I'm
Speaker 4: going back to the life that I love. And so
Speaker 4: it's like love. I don't know. I think it just
Speaker 4: gave me a different sense of confidence this season that
Speaker 4: I haven't had in the past, and snow has made
Speaker 4: me a different person. And I can even see that
Speaker 4: in just watching my interviews in the way that I talk,
Speaker 4: and that just much more confident in myself.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that.
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit more more about that, Like what
Speaker 2: other qualities do you think that you've gained from being
Speaker 2: a mother that have now transcended being a mother.
Speaker 3: And have helped you in the challenge experience.
Speaker 4: Well, being a mom is so challenging and hard, and
Speaker 4: especially a first time mom and figuring it out and
Speaker 4: knowing that like because I was you know, she's almost
Speaker 4: well now she's three and a half. It's like you
Speaker 4: just like I said, the sense of confidence that comes
Speaker 4: from it's like, Okay, she survived. We're here at three years,
Speaker 4: like especially because I'm a single mom and I do
Speaker 4: it all by myself. But yes, like obviously her dad's involved,
Speaker 4: so like I'm not saying that at all. He's still there,
Speaker 4: but she's with me full time and I do it alone.
Speaker 4: So like if anything at being there, I was it
Speaker 4: was like a vacation. I felt like I was like,
Speaker 4: what do I do with myself every day? Because I'm
Speaker 4: always on and I got to be off for the
Speaker 4: first time ever.
Speaker 1: That's why we nicknamed it Moms on the Loose because
Speaker 1: when the moms were out, they were on the loose.
Speaker 1: They were there were just so many moms they were
Speaker 1: on the loose.
Speaker 4: And like Daryn said, I was trying to enjoy myself
Speaker 4: as well, you know, like and that's one thing that
Speaker 4: was happening. There was a little I didn't love about
Speaker 4: me and him. Is like Daryl Steele was at He
Speaker 4: was out a little bit more than he was in
Speaker 4: previous seasons, but he still was to himself a little bit,
Speaker 4: you know, And I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: be that person. Here, like I want to be out
Speaker 4: and having fun with everybody and enjoying this time, and
Speaker 4: so that's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 1: You know, I basically saw some growth in him. I
Speaker 1: mean when we were on thirty together, that's like the
Speaker 1: last time I saw him. Yeah, and you guys were
Speaker 1: dating at that point, Yeah.
Speaker 3: He was dating.
Speaker 2: You guys were dating. I remember having conversations. We had
Speaker 2: conversations with that too, about her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, about you.
Speaker 1: He was like, I'm with an older woman and we
Speaker 1: were younger then, so it was just like, she's not
Speaker 1: really that much old, are you, idiot? But I've watched
Speaker 1: him grow too. I think he definitely came out of
Speaker 1: his shell more on All Stars because I think he
Speaker 1: knows who he is.
Speaker 4: What's so funny, Toy is like, when you guys were filming,
Speaker 4: I hadn't met you. I didn't know who you were,
Speaker 4: and I was and people kept saying, you know how,
Speaker 4: people like you know, report back online that he was
Speaker 4: always talking to some girl, And I'm like, who is
Speaker 4: this girl that he keeps talking to? It? You know,
Speaker 4: I because I never met you, And it's just funny now,
Speaker 4: all these years later, I'm like, oh, it's my friend
Speaker 4: who is to like, what is going on?
Speaker 2: You know, it's talking to some random girl. Literally, he
Speaker 2: was talking about you. I mean, that was the only
Speaker 2: thing we talked about.
Speaker 1: Was you, he start, I didn't really talk about much.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well this this episode, watching him apologize, I
Speaker 2: was really impressed with him, because it takes a lot
Speaker 2: of growth for somebody to be like, I didn't give Ashley,
Speaker 2: you know, the communication that she deserved.
Speaker 3: I just walked out. I mean, dude, for a guy
Speaker 3: to say that, yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 1: I'm a dick. I was a dick.
Speaker 4: I mean this part of the conversation that we did
Speaker 4: have there, as I said to him, you know, I
Speaker 4: think what happened was we were in our love bubble,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, like after the show and
Speaker 4: we lived together and stuff, and then he started working
Speaker 4: down at the pools in Vegas and getting attention and
Speaker 4: girls were like, hi, attention again, and he was back
Speaker 4: in the scene. And that's when I felt things shift,
Speaker 4: and I felt him going out and like never inviting
Speaker 4: me and things like that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So when he says I didn't want to see you cry,
Speaker 4: because I was so upset all the time, because I
Speaker 4: was like, I know what's going on, and you're just
Speaker 4: not telling me, so you know what I mean, So
Speaker 4: to make me emotional because I was just like I'm
Speaker 4: sitting here in a state that like I don't even
Speaker 4: want to live in for you, and you're not even
Speaker 4: giving me the time I deserve. That's like where things
Speaker 4: started getting really rocky with us. And then at the end,
Speaker 4: like it was just it was bad. It was one
Speaker 4: of those things where it was like I left keys
Speaker 4: on a desk and was like peace like kind of thing,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So it was and I
Speaker 4: think that that's what I meant by also like we
Speaker 4: had real drama in our real life and not challenge
Speaker 4: drama that is just from the show. So like that's
Speaker 4: deep rooted and it can cause chaos and some problems
Speaker 4: if you don't talk about it, which is why I
Speaker 4: wanted to talk to him about it totally.
Speaker 1: But I think you guys still before that conversation still
Speaker 1: worked well and you even see it in this week's challenge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think me and him had a good dynamic
Speaker 4: and we you know in terms of just like how
Speaker 4: we play and even our stature and our size, like
Speaker 4: we just work really well together alongside each other, do
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And like yea, And because
Speaker 4: I think I can take a step back and let
Speaker 4: him lead if I obviously I'm going to still speak.
Speaker 4: And that's where I think people were like, oh, you
Speaker 4: want a leader. I'm like, that doesn't mean I'm going
Speaker 4: to be mute because I say I want someone to
Speaker 4: lead me, like I can still give my opinion, but
Speaker 4: like I think, because I can step back and let
Speaker 4: him do that, but also at the same time, can
Speaker 4: like be like, listen, we're not doing it right. We
Speaker 4: need to do this, like, which is what I think
Speaker 4: that That's how our communication got so well because we
Speaker 4: could bounce off each other.
Speaker 1: Well do you think that you use that and this
Speaker 1: and this week's challenge where I mean, what's the strategy
Speaker 1: going into it?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. So we went third heat, so we
Speaker 4: got to kind of we didn't really get to see
Speaker 4: anybody because the board was not facing us, but we
Speaker 4: got to like hear what people were doing and we
Speaker 4: were like, okay, well why did someone swim there so early?
Speaker 4: So me and Dara were like listen, like we got
Speaker 4: to clean this board as fast as possible. But also
Speaker 4: like I was going to solve the puzzle because I
Speaker 4: was always better at puzzles like that. It's just naturally
Speaker 4: like he doesn't feel confident as I did. So I
Speaker 4: was like, I'm gonna go go down a few times
Speaker 4: and I'm swimming there as soon as we see the
Speaker 4: first person go towards that board, because regardless, because we
Speaker 4: were going against Steven Adam, they're a really good team.
Speaker 4: And I was like, if Steve and Adam are heading
Speaker 4: that way, we're heading that way, regardless if if we
Speaker 4: got this board clean or not. I'm just gonna have
Speaker 4: to try to figure it out from the other end.
Speaker 2: It was definitely one of my favorite challenges to watch
Speaker 2: the season. I think like there was a lot of
Speaker 2: people showed a lot of their strengths, and then obviously
Speaker 2: like Steven Adam winning, I just thought was great because
Speaker 2: this entire season they've been going in so yeah, but
Speaker 2: it shook the house up entirely, like let's get into
Speaker 2: this politicking, which was absolutely insane, epic.
Speaker 1: It was so good. I love that I was confused.
Speaker 1: I didn't know who to trust and I wasn't there no.
Speaker 4: Watching it back, I'm like, I don't even know if
Speaker 4: I still know what was going.
Speaker 1: On, like, oh my god, it was so and like
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 4: I didn't even realize my name was even part of
Speaker 4: it because it was it until it was you know
Speaker 4: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Were you having conversations with people like did you know
Speaker 1: who you were going to pick before going in? Like
Speaker 1: how did that go? Who's in your alliance? What's happening?
Speaker 4: So with that, you know, we always were working with
Speaker 4: the same people. But the crazy part about it is
Speaker 4: like what set the tone about kind of like our
Speaker 4: team's being targeted a little bit. I feel like was
Speaker 4: the Festi and Amber voting you guys Like I think
Speaker 4: that set the tone of like you guys are supposed
Speaker 4: to be working together, Like why would you vote on
Speaker 4: somebody that you're working with like I and they directly did.
Speaker 4: It wasn't even like it was part of the house vote.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh no, it wasn't. We were a
Speaker 1: non factor exactly.
Speaker 4: So I feel like that kind of set the tone.
Speaker 1: We should have never gone it, but it shows people's cards.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, of everybody else being like, oh well, then
Speaker 4: we can kind of do it. Because at first I
Speaker 4: think people were scared. I think people didn't want to
Speaker 4: go against a strong team, and they were like, let's
Speaker 4: go for the weaker teams. Let's go for this, and
Speaker 4: like it definitely switched up, and I was like, oh gosh,
Speaker 4: but we always had a plan obviously, and you know,
Speaker 4: Frank being my trust I mean, I trust him with
Speaker 4: my whole life, like he was someone that was doing
Speaker 4: most of the politicing for me, to be honest with you,
Speaker 4: looking back, and I said this to him, I should
Speaker 4: have done a little bit of my own because I
Speaker 4: just was like, what's going on? What are we doing?
Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean, Like I'm down. And
Speaker 4: then looking back though, it's like his game in my game.
Speaker 4: As much as we wanted to be the same, we
Speaker 4: are two different teams and we are not winning together.
Speaker 4: And so I think I should have done a little
Speaker 4: bit more on my own terms, just to kind of
Speaker 4: know what was going on a little bit more, because
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have been that blindsided by that, you know,
Speaker 4: that vote unless everybody in the house was just like
Speaker 4: being mute to us.
Speaker 1: But it was so good, No offense to you, but
Speaker 1: it was so I mean, all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: was just everybody, So.
Speaker 4: It was it was so good to, and then I
Speaker 4: realized that it was big Ta and basically like Corey
Speaker 4: picking us because they're like, let's get them out ourselves,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, and then we got them out, which
Speaker 4: made that like ten times better because I felt like
Speaker 4: I didn't realize they were the ones who said I
Speaker 4: honestly thought it was Bronica and Katie, but looking back, like,
Speaker 4: I didn't see them really say our name. They were
Speaker 4: saying other people's, but they were polanting the seeds and
Speaker 4: other people's, you know, so I thought it was them,
Speaker 4: and I was so mad, like when as soon as
Speaker 4: they said, like I heard our name, I was like, what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, watching it like as somebody who wasn't there at all,
Speaker 2: and like Anysa, you were there, so like I I'd
Speaker 2: love to get your input on this too. I feel
Speaker 2: like there our alliance is shaping, but it's kind of
Speaker 2: difficult to see as a viewer because everybody's a little connected,
Speaker 2: Like are there clear alliances formed in the house, and
Speaker 2: if so, what are they?
Speaker 3: We?
Speaker 4: You know, mine obviously are Frank and Sam and then
Speaker 4: Amber and Festi were like my second up, like and
Speaker 4: but then hearing some of the comments that Festi makes
Speaker 4: sometimes about like I don't give a fuck what I
Speaker 4: have to do, and like things like that, like Amber
Speaker 4: didn't say anything, so I'm not putting on amberbo. I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: like are you know what I mean? Like I never
Speaker 4: but obviously like they're gonna play their own game too.
Speaker 4: But I always knew in the back of my mind
Speaker 4: with that. I was like, you know, they're my number
Speaker 4: two in my because obviously Frank's my number one and
Speaker 4: in my life, but like they also have their number
Speaker 4: ones too, you know what I mean. So like as
Speaker 4: much as you try to play with somebody and you
Speaker 4: want to continue to play with somebody, it's like you
Speaker 4: got to also be aware of like what they're doing too.
Speaker 1: Who were their number ones?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I was thinking Nanni the whole time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I mean in a way, like you saw the conversation
Speaker 2: between Fessi and Nannie in this game.
Speaker 3: I mean, at this point, it seems like.
Speaker 4: This is what threw me. This is what threw me.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that Davon INFESTI had some type of agreement,
Speaker 4: Like I had no clue about that girl.
Speaker 1: I'm so over It was like what I felt like
Speaker 1: it was hunger Games and people were doing whatever they
Speaker 1: needed to do at the time. Some people are just
Speaker 1: not loyal to anyone. I saw you and amberget really close,
Speaker 1: so I automatically was like, they're going to protect each other.
Speaker 1: And yeah, obviously, Frank, but Nani in FESTI have never
Speaker 1: worked together.
Speaker 4: Ohkay, see here they have, well.
Speaker 1: They have, but they have, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: I've never seen Nanni and FESTI even like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it was just for me.
Speaker 4: I thought, like because he was so close to Casey
Speaker 4: and like exactly, and maybe it was just what I
Speaker 4: was told because honestly.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that part.
Speaker 4: Prior to going into the season. I had not seen
Speaker 4: that man play on one episode of him playing in
Speaker 4: the game. I didn't know anything about his backstory of playing.
Speaker 4: I didn't know how he works. I didn't know. I
Speaker 4: didn't know anything about you two, and looking back at
Speaker 4: like what he had done to you and Lisa in
Speaker 4: the past.
Speaker 3: Oh, girl, I don't know how you would have trusted
Speaker 3: him to begin with.
Speaker 1: Girl. Listen, I just I figured, I figured. I mean,
Speaker 1: we talked all the time. We talked a lot in
Speaker 1: during rivals this season, so I didn't expect it. But
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing, like you never really know what's
Speaker 1: going on until you're the vote. Yeah, exactly, And I
Speaker 1: think that's the weird thing about like number ones and
Speaker 1: number two, and also there's shit I'm like, but really,
Speaker 1: then you watch it back and you're like, damn, how
Speaker 1: did I get in here? And then you see it
Speaker 1: unfold and you're like, oh, I thought we were cool.
Speaker 1: So unless you're number one to somebody and you like
Speaker 1: really know it, I don't know where anyone falls.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we have to take a quick break.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back after this.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get into Veronica, because hey, let's get
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 3: Lover or hater. She's the goat of politicking.
Speaker 2: I had never seen somebody really move the way she moves.
Speaker 3: She is so smart. She is so smart. Her and
Speaker 3: Katie literally turned this house upside down.
Speaker 2: And obviously it wasn't for your benefit, Ashley, So I
Speaker 2: can understand why maybe your feelings are you know, a
Speaker 2: little bias from your perspective, but as just a pure viewer,
Speaker 2: not putting any emotions, I think we got to give
Speaker 2: her some credit for being able to flip this thing.
Speaker 4: Around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also Katie too, and Katy that was so unexpected.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was like, no one's gonna be able to
Speaker 2: trust us ever again.
Speaker 4: No funny. I loved Katie like I never met her before,
Speaker 4: and I wish I just loved her. I love her
Speaker 4: personal I think she's so freaking funny, like she's stunning,
Speaker 4: like she's just fun to be around. But like watching
Speaker 4: that back, I'm just like I had always felt that
Speaker 4: they were people that I didn't know, even in my
Speaker 4: final in my interviews, okay, guys, Like I'm literally like,
Speaker 4: can I trust them? Can I not? Like I don't
Speaker 4: know because one minute Frank's saying they're fine, you don't
Speaker 4: have to worry about them, like his Frank was close
Speaker 4: with them obviously, and then the next minute, I'm like,
Speaker 4: but look, what does it happened? Like how?
Speaker 1: Like what? That's interesting?
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to do, and I brought them
Speaker 4: up a couple of times, but if what I didn't
Speaker 4: notice until watching this back is like a lot of
Speaker 4: people kept bringing them up of like let's get them out,
Speaker 4: let's get them out, even people in my own alliance,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, shit, we should have talked about this
Speaker 4: because we were trying to do that many times and
Speaker 4: we didn't.
Speaker 1: But why would you want to get them out?
Speaker 3: What do you mean why would you want to get
Speaker 3: Veronica and Katie out?
Speaker 1: I get that they're smart in the gameplay, but like, what.
Speaker 3: Do you mean they just flipped the whole house upside down?
Speaker 1: I know, it's incredible, it's incredible.
Speaker 4: That's the thing, Anisa. It's not always about out like
Speaker 4: if they're like the strongest team or not. It's just
Speaker 4: like who's going to fuck your game up? Like, and
Speaker 4: who's going to like you know what I mean? I
Speaker 4: think that's what Veronica was saying all along, and she
Speaker 4: was just like, you know, I got to play with
Speaker 4: the cards that I have right now, and I got
Speaker 4: to mess this whole entire house up because it's the
Speaker 4: only way I'm safe. Yea. And for me, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I wasn't looking at them like that because I didn't
Speaker 4: think I had to look at them like that.
Speaker 1: It worked out perfectly.
Speaker 4: It was wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, did you see her?
Speaker 2: Because I know that you had mentioned like Frank was
Speaker 2: in your ear telling you do not worry about them,
Speaker 2: and then you had some moments where you're like, but.
Speaker 4: Really, I legit was sleeping in their room at one
Speaker 4: point because we got kicked out of ours. So me
Speaker 4: and Dario were like bunking with that.
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, why did you get why did you get
Speaker 2: kicked out?
Speaker 1: We had six beds in our room. We had three bunks,
Speaker 1: so it was like me and Ashley, Dario and Ashley
Speaker 1: and then Sam and Frank. And then we came back
Speaker 1: and they were like, we have to we move to
Speaker 1: bed out and I'm like, well, I'm not moving. I'm
Speaker 1: happy here. And I didn't want to go on the
Speaker 1: top bunk because I'm forty three. I don't go on
Speaker 1: top bunks and it's I'm a fall risk. It's a
Speaker 1: safety ha. So that's a good one. I told them.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I forgot my life alert bracelet at home,
Speaker 1: but this is real. So Ashley is so sweet and
Speaker 1: Dario they were like all right, well, we'll just go
Speaker 1: in the other room. And I'm like, well, I love you.
Speaker 3: Oh that was nice.
Speaker 4: Ye, So we were bunking with them for a little bit, okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then once they left, they like basically told us
Speaker 4: to go back in the other room. So like we
Speaker 4: were like okay, fine, and Dario didn't want to be
Speaker 4: on the top bump, so he made he stay on
Speaker 4: the top and he went to the bottom.
Speaker 1: These men, Frank was on the bottom too.
Speaker 4: But looking back at it, we should have just stay
Speaker 4: in the dang room. We would have known everything going on.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not, Like.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to tell what these these secret spies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what the other thing I want to mention
Speaker 2: is I did really.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you didn't have much of a choice.
Speaker 2: You were getting so many votes at that point in
Speaker 2: time when people were getting voted into when you guys
Speaker 2: were getting voted into elimination. But you were like, well,
Speaker 2: you know what, We're just gonna throw the vote on ourselves.
Speaker 3: And I think that like so smart, so smart.
Speaker 1: It's so smart.
Speaker 2: You know, you're not showing your cards even when you
Speaker 2: could be angry and your back could be against the
Speaker 2: wall and you could kind of do something a little
Speaker 2: bit like nah, like you didn't and like speaks again
Speaker 2: to your level.
Speaker 3: You know you could have just yeah, you.
Speaker 4: Guys are like, we wouldn't have done that, But I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I don't know how I would have handled it.
Speaker 2: You handled it with like such cute queen energy, like
Speaker 2: truly queen energy.
Speaker 1: Oh I would have done the first people that said
Speaker 1: my name.
Speaker 4: I was like, what's the point at this point voting
Speaker 4: for anybody else besides ourselves, because it's just going to
Speaker 4: put a target on us, which I always thought we
Speaker 4: were going to have a target from the stuff from
Speaker 4: the jump, because I felt like people didn't look at
Speaker 4: us as the strongest team, but they obviously knew we
Speaker 4: were strong, So we were going to be the ones
Speaker 4: at the star was going to be constantly being tried
Speaker 4: to be like, they're going to come for us. That's
Speaker 4: what I felt like. Yeah. One thing they didn't show
Speaker 4: too is I actually told Frank to vote for us, like,
Speaker 4: so I don't want it to look like he to.
Speaker 4: I looked at him, I said, vote for us. There's
Speaker 4: no point we're going in anyways, Like don't don't risk
Speaker 4: your cards too, like, just vote for us. And so
Speaker 4: oh he did too.
Speaker 1: You're a good friend, yeah, because a lot of people
Speaker 1: would have got but hurt like you just you didn't
Speaker 1: have to say my name like a lot of people
Speaker 1: would have. You know, shows growth because a lot of
Speaker 1: people get upset about that.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean I sometimes you know, get fogged
Speaker 4: up a little bit too, because I am someone that
Speaker 4: trusts a lot of people and I need to. I
Speaker 4: know you can. You can definitely relate to this, like
Speaker 4: I trust people. I feel like, oh everyone's telling the truth,
Speaker 4: no one's you know. I'm like definitely more of like
Speaker 4: that type of player because I just have like a
Speaker 4: very it's just like where my heart is. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: also at the same time, like this game opened my eyes,
Speaker 4: so like I can't really play like that because if
Speaker 4: you play like that, you're you're gonna get fucked over
Speaker 4: because you're an easy target for people because they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: she won't care. That's what happened to me with Champs
Speaker 4: Versus Pros is like I was voted in, not because
Speaker 4: anybody wanted to, but they were all doing Dirty thirty
Speaker 4: together and they said Ashley won't care, like she's not
Speaker 4: coming with us, Let's just vote her in because she'll
Speaker 4: be gracious about it. And I was like, I hate
Speaker 4: fuck all of you. Like I was so mad because
Speaker 4: I had they had no reason to pick me, and
Speaker 4: they did just because of the fact that they thought
Speaker 4: I wasn't gonna care.
Speaker 1: You know, wait till we come back and we're raging bitches.
Speaker 1: And nobody's safe, and we remember everyone who's ever voted
Speaker 1: us in, you're all fucking going in.
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, why not? Why why not?
Speaker 1: I'm making a list and I'm checking it twice.
Speaker 4: Well, what people have to realize every time you go
Speaker 4: back into this game you have to play a different game.
Speaker 4: You can't play the same game you played before. And
Speaker 4: if you do, yeah, everyone, it's very it's very telling,
Speaker 4: and you can see it very quickly because, like you know,
Speaker 4: at this point, we've all played game. It's very rare
Speaker 4: that you're on a season that you haven't played, like
Speaker 4: at least with four or five people that are there,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like for me, I was
Speaker 4: gone for so long, so it's a little different. I
Speaker 4: didn't really know a lot of people. But for most
Speaker 4: people you've been you've played with almost everybody, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I definitely think playing multiple games in a
Speaker 2: row it requires a different strategy, like the strategy we're
Speaker 2: seeing from Veronica and Katie.
Speaker 3: Obviously they kind of have to play like that right now,
Speaker 3: but also.
Speaker 2: Like Katie did mention, like it's gonna be very difficult
Speaker 2: to come back from a strategy that's so aggressive like
Speaker 2: politically aggressive, and even with Frank, like in a lot
Speaker 2: of Frank's interviews.
Speaker 1: Frank's gonna have a He's gonna have a time too.
Speaker 2: And the thing is is, I also think we're gonna
Speaker 2: eventually talk to Frank, so I'm excited. But you know,
Speaker 2: in all of most of Frank's interviews, he's like, the
Speaker 2: only person I'm in here protecting is Sam, which makes sense,
Speaker 2: it's his partner. But in reality, I know how close
Speaker 2: you and Frank are, Like I just I think a
Speaker 2: part of him is like playing it up, and I
Speaker 2: think like he wouldn't really turn his back on you.
Speaker 2: And then he said, like, you know, you've mentioned that
Speaker 2: you're very close with Frank too, So I think, like
Speaker 2: it's interesting. Some people are very playing, like very aggressively
Speaker 2: political games, and I'm wondering how in the future, if
Speaker 2: they come back, how they're gonna pivot because it's hard
Speaker 2: to come back from something like that because people are
Speaker 2: afraid to trust you. It just brings a big question
Speaker 2: mark in people's minds.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's very very true, And I've said that
Speaker 4: too to him. I'm like, you know, you can make
Speaker 4: all these aggressive moves, and that's really good for I
Speaker 4: mean the whole Devin and Lebart thing. And that was
Speaker 4: a move that honestly like he made for everybody in
Speaker 4: a way, Like he the fact that they won that day,
Speaker 4: it was the only opportunity that was ever going to
Speaker 4: come up that that would be like on him and
Speaker 4: not on anybody else, do you know what I mean? Right?
Speaker 4: And I think he like was like I'm going to
Speaker 4: bite the bullet. I'm going to do this our one chance,
Speaker 4: Like everyone just has to, like, you know, vote how
Speaker 4: we were always voting and stuff, So like that was
Speaker 4: a very aggressive move if you think about it, but
Speaker 4: no one cared because everybody wanted one of those teams out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that makes sense totally. They're so strong.
Speaker 4: So it's like, yeah, it was an aggressive move and
Speaker 4: like he planted that seed. But at the same time
Speaker 4: everyone was really happy about it that no one like
Speaker 4: looked at it as like ooh, that was an aggressive thing.
Speaker 4: They were just like, whoa, you know, one team out,
Speaker 4: Let's work on the rest of them now, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also one of those things like
Speaker 1: people were too afraid to and frank one one thing
Speaker 1: about him is that he knows how to shake some
Speaker 1: shit up. But he also doesn't fear a lot of things.
Speaker 4: So he's a good player. He's very good.
Speaker 1: Definitely is yeah for sure.
Speaker 4: But yes, what you said, Tori, Frank was always going
Speaker 4: to have my back, Like there's no I mean, I
Speaker 4: would be shook if I saw anything against that. I mean,
Speaker 4: obviously there's much more to come, So there's always like
Speaker 4: a possibility of you hearing something that you're like, oh, okay,
Speaker 4: But he was always gonna come at that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I feel that. I feel that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: we'll get into it when we actually interview Frank.
Speaker 2: Right now, we are interviewing you, and I specifically have
Speaker 2: a question on how you feel about the Devin and
Speaker 2: Dario fallout. Obviously you were there in real time. What
Speaker 2: do you think about their argument and is.
Speaker 3: This the first time you've ever played with Devin?
Speaker 4: Honestly, Tori, I love Devin. Yeah. I would sit there
Speaker 4: the very first night, we sat there in the corner
Speaker 4: and like had this long conversation. He was saying how
Speaker 4: he wanted to set up like dates for me and
Speaker 4: Dario and like have this whole light thing go on.
Speaker 4: Like he's just so freaking funny, and I truly enjoyed him,
Speaker 4: like I'd never wanted to go against him in that way,
Speaker 4: Like I just thought he was great. But when I
Speaker 4: all I heard was screaming. I'm not even joking you.
Speaker 4: All I heard was them yelling each other. I'm like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck is happening? Because it went from it
Speaker 4: like being a tom day and nothing was going on
Speaker 4: and like smooth sailing to like full chaos, and I
Speaker 4: was like, it is my partner on top of it.
Speaker 4: So I'm just sitting there. I remember I was sitting
Speaker 4: there and refesci. I'm like, do you guys hear what's
Speaker 4: happening right now? Like this is my partner, Like what
Speaker 4: is going on? And then he told me that like
Speaker 4: he was trying to have a conversation with Lee Roy
Speaker 4: about it because obviously, like you know, they're setting it
Speaker 4: up to be that Dario was the one that planted
Speaker 4: that seed. He wasn't. Let me just make that very clear,
Speaker 4: like he was told about it, and it was a
Speaker 4: conversation that was like do you want to do this?
Speaker 4: But he was not the one that came up with
Speaker 4: that idea. And then definitely it definitely looks as though
Speaker 4: he did. And I think him and him and Devin
Speaker 4: are just like both very prideful people. But I think
Speaker 4: Devin's also like he was just like trying to hit him.
Speaker 4: Whar it hurt? He was trying to say whatever, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean, like, and I don't. I didn't
Speaker 4: even know what actually.
Speaker 1: Was picks, that's it.
Speaker 4: That was hilarious. I was like, and Dario's very much
Speaker 4: about his teeth, Like he had his visil line there,
Speaker 4: He's got these bling white teeth. He's very into his
Speaker 4: I was like, that's like probably like the worst blowout
Speaker 4: of all of them.
Speaker 2: You know, people are just saying things in the heat
Speaker 2: of the moment. I mean like Daria was calling Devin ugly.
Speaker 1: It's like you're ugly, Well, your breast thinks your mom's.
Speaker 3: Fat, Like it's just kindergarten.
Speaker 4: God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it felt like recess.
Speaker 4: I just didn't like it because it put a target
Speaker 4: on our back and I knew it did. And I
Speaker 4: also knew that what I think Melissa, I don't remember
Speaker 4: who said this and during the episode, but like it
Speaker 4: gave people a reason to not trust him. Yeah, same thing,
Speaker 4: to be honestly, the same thing with like Bessie when
Speaker 4: he voted you guys in because it was like we'd flex. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Like no one thought you guys were like besty besties,
Speaker 4: but everyone thought you were working together, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And so when you do things like that
Speaker 4: and you make those moves, it makes you look like, Okay,
Speaker 4: now we can't trust this person, and it just gives
Speaker 4: people a reason to vote for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll use it. They'll use anything. Yeah, actually, they'll
Speaker 1: use anything. So I want to get.
Speaker 2: Into what you were saying, because Big T and Corey
Speaker 2: did come up with this idea that they could potentially
Speaker 2: escape goat the vote onto Dario and use by saying
Speaker 2: that Dario was untrustworthy and Melissa, Yeah, like watching the.
Speaker 3: House rally against you.
Speaker 2: Obviously you're seeing these conversations after the fact, But what
Speaker 2: was it like to watch them and see the interviews
Speaker 2: of them saying these things?
Speaker 4: Now, well, I don't think anybody really wanted me to go,
Speaker 4: and that's fair, no, But looking back at it, I
Speaker 4: just was like shook at where it started. I did
Speaker 4: not think it was going to be with Corey and
Speaker 4: Big Teeth. That's not where I thought. Like the initial
Speaker 4: our name was brought up, Like I really didn't think that.
Speaker 4: I thought it was Veronica and Katie, so I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: that's expected, like whatever, they're playing messy right now. They're
Speaker 4: trying to like you know, stay there as long as possible,
Speaker 4: so I could have see that. But I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's interesting because I genuinely liked hanging out with both
Speaker 4: of them. We all were like hanging out at the
Speaker 4: house at night, you know, like everyone has their fun
Speaker 4: times or whatever, and they were a pleasure, Like Corey is,
Speaker 4: I love him same, But I understood. I honestly understand
Speaker 4: looking back at like his strategy with that, to be honest,
Speaker 4: like you know, I, like I said, I always knew
Speaker 4: we were going to be targeted a lot, and that's
Speaker 4: why I was fearful of even getting a star at first.
Speaker 4: And I said, that's Stario. But Dario's like a we
Speaker 4: win or we lose type of person if you come
Speaker 4: in second, like you might as well have not shown
Speaker 4: up that day, Like that's his attitude and that is
Speaker 4: not mine at all, like very very different. And but
Speaker 4: I was like, if we win the star, like we
Speaker 4: might be targeted all the time and have to go
Speaker 4: on eliminations and that's like terrible, Like why don't we
Speaker 4: why don't we like, you know, kind of go and
Speaker 4: ply under the radar, kind of like a Katie Ronica
Speaker 4: thing and like get it last money. He's like, but
Speaker 4: what if we don't get it and then you're stuck
Speaker 4: there at the end with no star. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's traumatic, it sucks, But would you rather want to
Speaker 4: get targeted all the time?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: And so I kind of like knew that was coming,
Speaker 4: I just didn't expect to come when it did, Like
Speaker 4: that was what was unexpected. It was a little earlier
Speaker 4: than I thought.
Speaker 1: But then how good was that win? Though?
Speaker 4: It was amazing? And I I led that whole thing,
Speaker 4: and yes, it actually was. Because Frank was like screaming
Speaker 4: at me, being like he could see what was going on,
Speaker 4: so he could see if we were tilting one way
Speaker 4: or whatever, and he was like, don't do this, do
Speaker 4: this like whatever, and I was like trying to pay
Speaker 4: attention to what they were saying, but also focus on
Speaker 4: your you know what happens in elimination if you paid
Speaker 4: too much attention to everyone else, you lose. But I
Speaker 4: definitely heard some things he was saying, and I was
Speaker 4: like Okay, we got to do it this way, and
Speaker 4: to win knowing that, like you were one of the
Speaker 4: main reasons why is like a good feeling. You know,
Speaker 4: It's not because I relied on somebody else. It's that
Speaker 4: we worked together and we like did it so it
Speaker 4: felt good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys were great. And then so big T
Speaker 1: and Corey get their fifteen minutes back at the house
Speaker 1: to pack and say goodbye. Yeah, how do you feel
Speaker 1: about him warning people?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Amber, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's smart because I think it's smart, but
Speaker 4: also could be messy because like Corey and Amber though
Speaker 4: we're friends, so that's not the messy part. But if
Speaker 4: you come up to somebody and you plan a seat,
Speaker 4: like it's very easy for you to plan a seat
Speaker 4: and leave, you know what I mean, Like, if you're
Speaker 4: about to leave, whatever you didn't you did win the game.
Speaker 4: So like, if you want to be a messy player, perfectly, Hey, listen,
Speaker 4: this is what happened. That's what happened, and this is
Speaker 4: what happened. And maybe only one of those three things
Speaker 4: is true, do you know what I mean? So it
Speaker 4: is easy to kind of like mess with people's heads
Speaker 4: at the same time, or you could be one of
Speaker 4: your friends, you know.
Speaker 2: Well, Also the fact that he said he's almost certain
Speaker 2: it was Veronica, he wasn't like fully certain, So it's interesting.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I think if you know something
Speaker 2: for fact, yeah, then it's a little bit different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but to like for speculation that that is.
Speaker 1: Like kinda I'm certain, I'm ninety eight percent certain.
Speaker 3: But the truth is he wasn't like totally wrong either.
Speaker 2: So it's just for the viewer, it makes it very
Speaker 2: interesting because now we're like, well, how is this going
Speaker 2: to unfold? Veronica and Katie were seated so so I
Speaker 2: wouldn't say comfortably because obviously their name was getting thrown around,
Speaker 2: but they had put themselves in a good spot and
Speaker 2: now it almost just like puts a question mark back
Speaker 2: on where their stance is going to be in the game,
Speaker 2: especially after seeing the preview for next week's episode where
Speaker 2: Veronica is like, are you with us or against us?
Speaker 4: You know? I think Veronica puts the fear of God
Speaker 4: and people and they're like, oh she does, Like it's
Speaker 4: scary if she gets upset. You're like, what do you
Speaker 4: need to hear? I'll tell you whatever.
Speaker 1: You know she got that she got that fire.
Speaker 3: She does love.
Speaker 4: The thing is is like Corey I think was trying
Speaker 4: to be like helpful to Amber, but also what if,
Speaker 4: knowing Amber, like he should have known that that could
Speaker 4: be a little detrimental to Amber's personal game because she
Speaker 4: overthinks things a lot and she is very like you know,
Speaker 4: she she was friends with Veronica, well in her mind,
Speaker 4: you know, she she would always say like, oh, I'm
Speaker 4: cool with Veronica, but like to say that like now
Speaker 4: it's like you're telling somebody that says they're friends with
Speaker 4: them trust them that now they can't and now you're leaving,
Speaker 4: so you can't even have a full conversation about that,
Speaker 4: So it almost like mess your friend's whole psyche up,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: At this you know, Amber's not gonna and Amber is
Speaker 1: not going to go up to Veronica and talk to
Speaker 1: her about Like Amber is such a she gets she's
Speaker 1: so docile, you know, and.
Speaker 4: Then that's the sweetest thing.
Speaker 1: She might internalize it and then you know, like in
Speaker 1: the game, very.
Speaker 4: With her, Yeah, with her mental game, But I get why,
Speaker 4: like you would want to warn her at the same time,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, if you're friends with someone,
Speaker 4: you want to warn them about like this, what's going
Speaker 4: on behind your back? Kid? Geta go bye, But at
Speaker 4: the same time, like.
Speaker 1: This person's talking about you bye.
Speaker 2: Well, honestly it's I think Amber has shown time and
Speaker 2: time again that she will speak up for herself, and
Speaker 2: so I don't think like she's gonna I think she's
Speaker 2: definitely smarter than people give her credit for her.
Speaker 4: She is so smart. I don't think it's smart. I
Speaker 4: think she just cares a lot and she has a really.
Speaker 1: Big, big heart, forward person.
Speaker 4: She wants to love and trust everybody, just like the
Speaker 4: rest of us, and like it's a game at the
Speaker 4: end of the day. And I don't know if, like
Speaker 4: you know, you have to really know that some people
Speaker 4: you really can't trust or that they're going to eventually
Speaker 4: start playing for themselves regardless. Like so I think that
Speaker 4: I don't know. I love Amber.
Speaker 1: Is there anything you can tease about the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. Now that we know that seeds are being
Speaker 1: planted and people are are ruthless.
Speaker 4: Let me just say things are about to get wild.
Speaker 4: Like you thought that episode was chaotic, just wait to
Speaker 4: what happens. Like That's all I can say is it
Speaker 4: was so chaotic one day that like all of our
Speaker 4: heads were spinning. We all had to like literally go
Speaker 4: to sleep afterwards because nobody knew what the fuck just happened.
Speaker 4: Like that's how crazy.
Speaker 1: I love it. I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait.
Speaker 4: It definitely gets way way more messy. So if you
Speaker 4: think this one was confusing, buckle up, because it's gonna
Speaker 4: get even more confusing.
Speaker 1: I'm not ready.
Speaker 3: What a teaser. Ash.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, it's been a pleasure to see you back
Speaker 2: grace our screens.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast.
Speaker 4: I had so much fun thing for me.
Speaker 3: Yes, and and like.
Speaker 2: When we see you obviously, like the season's not over
Speaker 2: for you, so we're excited to continue to watch your
Speaker 2: journey on it. But like, do you see your comeback
Speaker 2: and the Challenge franchise being more after this, Like what
Speaker 2: we see you again in the future.
Speaker 4: You know, this is my test to see how I
Speaker 4: can handle myself leaving my daughter. It was the first
Speaker 4: time I'd ever left her, and that's my big factor.
Speaker 4: Like I would have came back in the past, you know,
Speaker 4: I've been asked before and I was like I just couldn't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't mentally handle it. You guys, see how sweet
Speaker 4: and cute this little girl is. Like it's devastating to
Speaker 4: leave her, but I built such a confidence in being
Speaker 4: there and like my ability to kind of like break
Speaker 4: away and like have my own little time, and like,
Speaker 4: I feel like all it did was make me want more.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, I could do this, you know,
Speaker 4: I could come back and like it'll be fine, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So I I hopefully get asked
Speaker 4: again and come back in the future.
Speaker 3: Oh I love that.
Speaker 1: Awesome?
Speaker 3: Yes, Ash, Well, we're excited for you.
Speaker 2: I hope I get to play with you again in
Speaker 2: the future, hopefully if stars alive.
Speaker 4: I bring it up every time. I'm like, I want
Speaker 4: to to there because that's good for such fun season
Speaker 4: for me in particular.
Speaker 3: But oh my god, everyone's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 4: Not Tori. I'm like, why, I don't scare to you?
Speaker 3: You know how it is?
Speaker 2: Well, Well, even if we don't get to play again,
Speaker 2: it's still an honor to follow you on social media
Speaker 2: and to watch you on the show.
Speaker 3: So where can people follow you and support you?
Speaker 2: And is there anything that you want to shine light
Speaker 2: on so that the fans can support any projects you're
Speaker 2: working on or anything that you want people to follow.
Speaker 4: I'm well, I'm on all the same Ashton, Mary Kelsey, Instagram, Snapchat,
Speaker 4: the whole nine yards. Like I do like to show
Speaker 4: an inside of my life and just being a single mom,
Speaker 4: and I think it's important for people to see that.
Speaker 4: So if you're another single mom, let's go join force.
Speaker 4: It's jin my team. Now. I love that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: pretty much it for me right now. You know, I've
Speaker 4: been focused on being a mom at this point in
Speaker 4: my life and that's just where my energy is going
Speaker 4: towards at this moment.
Speaker 1: You're doing a great job.
Speaker 4: Yeah. You can follow me on TikTok, Instagram and Snapchat
Speaker 4: and you can argue with me on ACT.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, ash Yeah, thank.
Speaker 4: You all right, guys, bye, thank you.
Speaker 1: That was such a lovely interview with the sweet Barbie
Speaker 1: Doll Ashley. She is so kind no matter what happens,
Speaker 1: She's just so gracious, winning or losing. So I feel
Speaker 1: that it's a nice I don't know, it's it's nice
Speaker 1: to watch that because she's she's definitely different than a
Speaker 1: lot of other players.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure. Yeah, she's like true, like a sweetie.
Speaker 2: At heart, like if you were to like bite into Ashley,
Speaker 2: it'd be she'd be full of twinkies or like some
Speaker 2: like sweet velvety cream.
Speaker 3: That was so strange, sweet velvety crime.
Speaker 1: Let's just keep it rolling, Anissa, where's sweet velvety cream?
Speaker 1: Where can we f gettles starbursts?
Speaker 3: I'm trying to move on from this.
Speaker 1: I said something weird, all right.
Speaker 2: Anysa, where can they follow you on Instagram and look
Speaker 2: at your sweet velvety cream?
Speaker 1: Oh god, to say find my cream. You can follow
Speaker 1: me on Instagram at Anissa MTV. That's a n E
Speaker 1: E s a m TV Tory. Where can they find you?
Speaker 1: Follow you and send you some sweet treats?
Speaker 3: Thank you? You guys can absolutely send me sweet treats.
Speaker 2: You can follow me at Tory Underscore deal and thanks
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