WEBVTT - A Star-Holder is Born w/ Ashley Kelsey 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.760 What's up everyone on Tory Deal And I'm Anissa Ferreira 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:10.080 and this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:14.400 And this week Anisa, we're playing Dirty, Won't Get Dirty 0:00:14.880 --> 0:00:17.080 Down and Dirty Muddy. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:17.960 Mm hmm. 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.799 I loved this challenge. It looks like so much fun. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.319 Oh my gosh, I'm I'm This is one of the 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:25.160 ones that if you're going to get a heights over 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.479 water challenge, this is the signd of This. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:29.360 Is the one you want. You're sliding, You're literally sliding. 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.360 You're literally going to the water park and you're going 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.600 up the steps because there's no line and it keeps 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:37.319 sliding down. But there's a little puzzle at the end, 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.120 a little poosley. Yeah, who doesn't like one of those. 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.920 It's not a far swim. I mean, this one was fun. 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:47.080 Not only that so many teams competed well during this 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.840 challenge that I had zero idea who was gonna win this, Like, yeah, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:53.880 so many people can competed well, and it's always nice 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.520 to see that many people do well because you want 0:00:56.520 --> 0:00:58.440 the competition to be stiff, like that is that the 0:00:58.520 --> 0:00:59.280 right word stiff? 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:01.520 Stiff comes you. You want the competition to be stiff. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:03.800 Is that right, Steep. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:06.920 Yeah, well, okay, their stiff competition means that they're they're 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:10.160 hard competition, but it's okay, well. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:11.880 We're gonna let it go right now. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.720 Speaking of stiff competition, Adam and Steve win. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.600 So so good, thank god they needed that. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:21.760 But Frank and Sam get a damn star. Yeah. So 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:24.760 they went from winning the last challenge and start in 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:29.120 the pot, set shit up, slam dunk, and then now 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.199 they have a star, so now they can run the final. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:35.120 It's really great knowing that. In the trivia challenge, literally 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.400 right before everyone was saying Frank and Sam were the 0:01:37.400 --> 0:01:40.319 weakest team, they end up winning that challenge. Obviously, they 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.120 shake up the game by throwing in the two guy 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.080 guy pairs against each other, you know, rip t R 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:49.600 Guy Dave and Leroy like but still like it was 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.320 a really big move for the entire house, and now 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.640 they get their star. So I think it's just like 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:57.760 and watching them hug at the end like that, like 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.120 watching Sam like so hype, Like it got me hype 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.480 for them. I'm like, wow, that's it's cool to watch 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.240 somebody's trajectory go up like that. 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:09.639 I could play a lot of video games a big gamer. Uh, 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:10.679 that's what I like to do. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.960 Yeah. I also really like watching Nanni and Turbo compete 0:02:13.960 --> 0:02:16.200 in this one. I think that he was so calm with. 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.280 Her, and Nannie's really good at this wordle type of game, 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.560 like we've seen her win eliminations like this in the past, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.560 where she's organized letters like this was Nannie's jam, So 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:25.240 I almost. 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:27.040 Thought for a second maybe Nannie and Turbo were gonna win. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.120 Yeah, totally. I think that she needed to trust him 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:34.760 more mm hm, and maybe they maybe they could have. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.440 I mean, we can't talk about what could have happened 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:41.560 but didn't ye right, I think going forward, uh, hopefully 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:45.840 trust is being established more so where they can work 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:50.080 and work together well and win a challenge. 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:52.680 I also thought that Big Tea and Corey could have 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:56.520 won because Corey's strategy of oh my god, literally snowing 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.840 that was amazing. Mike had a great strategy. 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.040 He really did, but it did take a lot of time, 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.320 but yeah, it was a good strategy. My favorite was 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:09.239 eliminate Wait there's no other e. 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:11.840 Yeah. Victim's so cute. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:13.200 She's like oops, premature. 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:17.280 She is a fierce competitor, but also like such a 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.040 jokester along like through and through. 0:03:19.200 --> 0:03:22.800 Oh, she's so funny. She's so funny. So that was 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:23.640 that was great. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.800 I think that like this episode was really really rich 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.040 in terms of competition, but then also obviously strategy and 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:30.840 political play. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:32.280 And I actually really liked how it. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.440 Opened up with Davon and Shane because we really haven't 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:37.080 seen a lot of them, and now we know why they. 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.640 Have been floating in the middle in the best way 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:40.160 for them. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.360 Like that is truly the spot that everyone likes to 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.760 be in because that spot carries you far into the 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:47.720 game and. 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.160 So you're not making the decisions. You're not winning exactly. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.280 I don't think you're a threat, you're not losing, so 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.520 people don't think that you'd be a layup. Yeah, but 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:59.360 I also think that they they really don't have a 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:04.320 choice because because their alliances are on different sides. Yeah, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.640 so the best way to not make it too much 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.280 friction is to be in the middle exactly. 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:12.440 I mean, for sure, and it's a spot that you 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.400 don't choose to be in. You're kind of gifted it 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:17.400 based on your previous relationships coming in. But it was 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.120 like really cool to actually get a peek into what 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.800 they've got going on. And then obviously, I mean, this 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.279 whole thing breaks out with Veronica and Katie and. 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:27.200 Like you just can't. I can't give Veronica enough credit. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:29.560 You can't give her enough credit, and Katie too, like 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.640 the master Class music again, it's so good. 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.080 So the funny thing is, and I think I brought 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:38.239 it up before, like CT had CT's pro tips on forty. 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.120 The crazy thing is that Katie hadn't seen forty. Wasn't 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:42.120 we were filming. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.239 Oh yeah, that's so much. 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.120 Master Class that I'm like, come on, Era one, just 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:51.279 being smart coming up with shit. These are ultimate gamers, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.120 you know what I mean, Like when you realize when 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.920 a game changes so much from when you started and 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:02.000 you just have to keep adapting. It just it just 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.039 shows versatility and it and it shows just that quick 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.760 witted kind of like I mean, you don't have a 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.200 lot of time to do a master plan, you know. 0:05:11.760 --> 0:05:14.520 But but Veronica had her power dress on. She said, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:16.600 I'm making moves in my son dress. 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.200 And speaking of Veronica's dress, her in her in her interviews, 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:21.000 she looks gorgeous. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.040 I have that on. I know, I'm like, I can't 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.000 even with that Free People number looking like a little 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:27.039 bit of fucking honey. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:28.920 I loved it, not honey mustard. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.760 Yeah, I know. I didn't get the whole word out 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:34.159 because it's it didn't sound like a compliment when it 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:36.440 was coming out of my mouth. But she looks stunning. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.560 And it's great because she's not trying to deny it 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:42.680 in these interviews. She's literally like, this is what I'm doing. Yeah, 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.640 oh it's great, and I think it's incredible. This makes 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.600 her great television. This is what viewers want to see. 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.120 Absolutely, And it's interesting because I think that there's a 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.080 lot of players in the game at this point that 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.159 I wouldn't say a lot, but like there's a handful 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:58.240 of people who think they are maybe puppet mastering, but 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:01.200 like there are I think a few standout ones who 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:04.280 are because there's a lot of big strategic personalities in 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:06.840 the game. You have Veronica, right and Katie who are 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.200 playing very strategically. Then you have Frank who was doing 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.960 the same who I would put right up there. Oh yeah, 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.480 his game just wasn't it didn't need to be necessarily 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:17.800 highlighted in this round. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.720 But I think that he definitely sent this one off 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:23.800 and we're gonna I mean talk to him in the 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.280 future about it. But I think his little conversations in 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:30.000 the beginning was just like a sprinkle and then the 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:34.000 ball starts rolling. Yeah, I think him and Veronica together 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:38.400 are dangerous of him, Veronica and a splash of Katie 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:42.080 dangerous cocktail, dangerous mix, but I'm here for it. 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:42.599 Yeah. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:46.480 Also, Corey Lay and Big T like and Melissa, I 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.240 don't think they realized how gamed they got this episode, 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:53.520 because obviously big T and Corey voted the way they voted, 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.080 thinking that they weren't going to be thrown in by 0:06:56.120 --> 0:07:00.960 Adam and Steve. Yeah, and bamboozled, bamboozled, totally buzzled. Then 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.400 also watching Melissa, like, obviously it's sad your friend going home, 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.280 But watching Melissa's reaction to when Big T lost and 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.960 Corey lost, She's like, no, I know, I know, it's 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.280 so like Disney Princess. 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.920 Like, yeah, I was like telling Novilla dramatics. I loved it. 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:22.560 I mean, I mean it's just it's I mean, they 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:23.960 do love each other immensely. 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.680 Yeah, oh yeah, they're best friends. You know, it's got 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:27.120 to be hard. 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:29.800 People did people got gamed. I mean they did, But 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:32.120 if you think about it, You're in a controlled environment 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:35.200 where you have zero control, you have no escape, you 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.920 have no distractions. So when someone's like, hey, so I 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.040 heard someone was talking to you talking about you, you 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.600 literally take that at face value because you're like, oh 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:46.640 my god, maybe they are, maybe they're not. Like all 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:51.000 you need is one drop of doubt to mess up 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.560 your whole mindset. It doesn't have to be true at all. 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:57.880 Yeah, And the other thing is is once people have information, 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.800 they it's very difficult to withhold that information from your 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.720 partner because you're looking for someone to confide in. You're 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.320 also on the same team. So another shout out to Davon. 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.320 In this episode, she mentions that she doesn't necessarily have 0:08:10.360 --> 0:08:12.720 to tell Shane everything because she recognizes that it's not 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.200 for the best of her. And I think that is amazing, 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.480 Like to hold all of that information inside you and 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.800 to not crack. That speaks to the strategy of a 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:22.720 Big Brother player. 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.600 Of course, well, she says something. She risks him saying 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.800 something exactly. Veronica and him are very close. Veronica and 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.520 Davon are playing different games. She risks her own gameplay, 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:36.720 you know, like Jess, because we're partners. Doesn't mean we 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:38.920 need to play the same way. You don't need to 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.880 know everything. I'm thinking there's no trust right there with 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.040 that pair, So it's interesting. It's going to be interesting 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.520 to see how they fare and what happens and if 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:50.160 they're going to get on the same page. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.360 Yeah, there was a lot going on this episode. And 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:53.840 I also love that we got to see a lot 0:08:53.840 --> 0:08:56.240 more of Dario and Ashley. I feel like we saw 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.080 them in the beginning when they won their first star 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:01.120 and then you know that he started to wow, wow. 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.960 Yeah, Daros darysh. 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.520 You mean that, Yeah, and then he had his conversation 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:09.559 with Devin, the. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.720 Ultimate Devin Dario debacle, Yeah, of twenty twenty five. And 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.480 now we get to see them win an elimination together, 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:19.640 and I just think it's it's really cool to watch 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.120 them step up perform. Well, I'm really curious, like what 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.320 that was like for her to be back with Dario 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:29.160 since they broke up. You know, we got to like 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.040 peek into their relationship for the first time. It took 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.720 half the season to finally get this convo. 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.360 Right, So glad we got it. Yeah, exactly, thanks for 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:42.920 that ownership, Dario, totally. Yeah, well, if we're really gonna 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.680 dive deep into this, we're gonna need somebody to talk 0:09:45.720 --> 0:09:49.240 about it with. We have Ashley Marie Kelsey coming to 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:53.199 the podcast right after this break, so stay tuned, we'll 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:53.760 be right back. 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:10.959 Welcome back, everybody. I am so excited because this is. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.920 My favorite part of the podcast where we get to 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:17.320 interview one amazing challenger and you have not seen this 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:21.240 woman since Invasion of the Champions. She is the champion 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:23.880 of Battle of the Seasons and hands down, one of 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.880 the most gorgeous challengers to ever grace the screen. 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:29.400 Please welcome Ashley Kelsey. 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:32.840 What an intro. Thank you so much. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:33.720 Welcome. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.240 It felt so good to be back. Honestly, I had 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.400 been gone for far too long and I felt like 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:39.760 the timing was just right. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:42.319 Oh yeah, I mean, it's so good to see you back. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.079 It's been a really, really, really long time. 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:48.000 I know, it definitely has been forever, and I was 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.120 extremely nervous to come back this season. Let me just 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:51.559 say that, did. 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:56.200 You enjoy your Dario Ashley pairing intro music? 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.559 You know, I've I feel like it fits us perfect. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:06.559 It was slow and seductive. 0:11:06.920 --> 0:11:07.640 It was. 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.599 I mean, watching you two work together I mean, you 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.760 guys are a good team, but it you know, even 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.680 playing alongside you didn't hear like the little conversation. So 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.520 watching the dynamic is so is so fun from this side. 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.160 Yeah, I mean, going into it, I was definitely not 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:28.080 I didn't really know how it was going to go. 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.640 You imagine not seeing somebody that you really love for 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.720 six years straight, no phone calls, no text, no nothing. 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.640 It was like we are done and we did not. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.200 It was like neither one of us existed anymore. So 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:41.000 then being like you're going to be partnered and playing together, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:42.040 it's a little. 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.440 So much, you know, and sleeping in the same room. 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:46.280 So I didn't really know how the dynamic was going 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.320 to go, and it was definitely very uncomfortable at many 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:52.120 times prior to having like a solid conversation about it, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.560 just because I feel like it needed to happen. You know. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.760 I give you a lot of credit because I'm definitely 0:11:57.800 --> 0:11:59.600 the person who is like, if we have to talk 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.480 about it, we got to talk about it now. And 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.360 I feel like it was very clear that you were like, no, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:06.160 I'm gonna let Dario come to me on this one. 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.920 And I just think that's like really honorable because I 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:12.240 could have never done that. So talk to us a 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.400 little bit more about the patients. It took for you 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.559 to not just jump the gun on the conversation and 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:17.600 let it happen naturally. 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:21.040 I kind of felt like if it didn't happen naturally, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.000 that it would have been forced, and then the answers 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:25.600 that I would have gotten would have not been true, 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.560 or they wouldn't have been, you know, the ones that 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.400 he wanted to give me, because Dario definitely had sat 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.520 on this for many years and I wanted it to 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:36.920 make sure that the conversation when we finally had it 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:38.559 was like I was actually going to get answers and 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:40.880 I wasn't going to sit there and be like, you know, 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:43.560 him just saying what he felt like he needed to say. 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.360 And if he didn't do that on his own terms, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:46.960 he's a guy. You know, guys need to do that 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:50.520 when they're ready, not when you're ready. That it just 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.199 wouldn't have been as authentic. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.600 Yeah, I think that's a fair thing to say, and 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.960 I just again think that that takes a lot of 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:58.680 strength as a woman to do that. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:01.280 So oh yeah, you know, I was like, I was like, 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:02.520 what is this going to happen, like, is he going 0:13:02.559 --> 0:13:04.480 to talk to me? Like I I would definitely ask, 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:06.960 Like me and Franquent have conversations about it all the 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.760 time because he's like my number one go to man, 0:13:09.800 --> 0:13:12.560 you know, my bestie, and he's like, you know, I 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:14.280 just feel like he's not ready for it yet. He 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.040 even he would talk to him too. It was kind 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.680 of like Frank was that middle man girlfriend in the 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.040 situation where like, yeah, he's the one that we both 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:22.719 were going to but weren't talking to each other, you 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:23.199 know what I mean. 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.720 He as your therapist. So do you think that now 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:32.000 that you've had this conversation that you guys are going 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.839 to work better together? Do you think it's going to 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:36.319 be easier. Are you more comfortable now that you've had 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:38.160 the conversation going forward? 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.360 I think that it makes it more comfortable. I don't. 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.640 I think we're going to play well together regardless, because 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:44.880 we kind of shut it out when it comes to 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.760 the challenges and just compete. But in terms of like 0:13:47.800 --> 0:13:49.360 being in the house and being able to hang out 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.960 and like adding another dynamic to our relationship is only 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:55.760 beneficial to trusting him more because you know, if you 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.120 look back at the Heights Challenge on the side of 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:04.040 that damn building, Like I was so nervous, and I 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:05.480 and Frank had said to me, it's like, if you 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.120 were with me, I don't think you would have been 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.040 as nervous. I think you trust me and like you 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.040 would have just fallowed my lead. But like, this is 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.080 someone that you broke your trust in the past, so 0:14:13.080 --> 0:14:15.440 you're still trying to like get that back. And that 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.080 played into me not feeling as secure as I probably 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:19.320 could have been up there. And I was like, wow, 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:20.840 that's a good way of looking at it, because I 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:21.840 didn't trust him, you know. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:22.720 Yeah. 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:24.640 I mean the challenge producers knew what they were doing 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.640 when they brought that Height Challenge in so early, because 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:30.600 none of the pairs had the opportunity to fully resolve 0:14:30.640 --> 0:14:33.640 anything yet. So the amount of arguing during that challenge, 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.240 the amount of people who didn't go through with it, 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:35.720 I mean. 0:14:36.240 --> 0:14:39.760 Yeah, no, I still don't want it. I don't care. 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:43.480 If God was up there holding my hand, I just 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.720 would have been like, I don't know about this one. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:47.520 Dj oh No. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.480 It was absolutely terrifying, Like it was the scariest thing ever. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.920 And I don't care about heids over water, Like people 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:55.720 usually get nervous about that. Me, I'm like, put me 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:57.240 up over the water. I feel like because I know 0:14:57.280 --> 0:14:59.280 I'm going to land and like we got the water 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.840 down there, I'm fine, but like it's like I'm gonna 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.960 be dead, Like there's just no way, you know what 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:06.160 I mean. And that fear is just in my soul. 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:07.440 I don't know totally. 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:10.960 It's okay, it's natural, Ashley. It's a natural response. People 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:14.640 that like fear, I mean in heights and and all 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:17.920 of that thrill seeking shit. They're a different breed of humans. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.200 I don't think everyone is meant to do that. Yeah, 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:26.360 I'm not. I'm so you've been away for a while. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.200 Do you think the game has changed a lot? Do 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.280 you think it's forced you to play a different game? 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:37.040 I think that I normally sit back and let everybody. 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:38.720 That's why I said I want a man to lead 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:40.480 in the challenge. And this is why I stated that 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:42.240 is that's how I played in the past, Like I 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.280 let my teammates lead me. You know, I was with 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.040 on a team with Zach and Frank or it didn't matter, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:49.680 which is that anyways, you know what I mean? So, 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:51.480 like I kind of stop back and just let them 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.400 do their thing. And that's what I was used to 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.200 in the past, So I think that's where that came from. 0:15:55.200 --> 0:15:56.920 Where I was just like, Okay, you tell me what 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.440 to do, I'm gonna follow suit and we're gonna make 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.920 this happen. But then I started really as the challenge 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.680 went by that like I was actually smarter, and not 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:07.640 that him, but just smarter in general. Like I knew 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.240 how to play the game, Like I knew what moves 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:10.880 were happening. I could see things, and I was like, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:14.240 I need to, you know, have more trust in myself 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.120 in the fact that like I can still play my game, 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.880 you know, not just rely on him doing it because 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.760 that's kind of what I was doing in the past. 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.440 Wow, I really love that for you. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:26.960 And I feel like, you know, up to this point 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.040 in the season, we haven't really had a lot of 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.360 you and Dario because you know, you guys have been 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.520 flying under the radar a bit, with the exception of 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.240 the fight that Devin had and Leroy had with Dario. 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.640 But it's interesting because I feel like we're starting to 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:43.560 see a lot more of you now and I'm just 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.040 like curious, like, what are what were your first impressions 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.480 just based off this episode after you saw it, because 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:49.840 you guys were pretty centered. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:51.680 I mean, you guys went into elimination and everything. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.080 Yeah, well, what's crazy about that is we didn't see 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:56.760 that coming at all, Like when I tell you, we 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:58.760 were chilling by the pool, like like nothing was going 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:02.440 to happen because our name was never brought bamboozled you 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:06.440 in any conversation with anybody, Like even if looking back 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:09.439 and watching those side conversations, obviously I didn't see my 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.240 name was still not brought up. It was totally different people. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:13.600 And then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, it 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.840 was like boom got pushed into it. And we were 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.919 so taken back by that. But to be honest with you, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:23.119 it gave us such confidence going into that elimination. I'm 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.359 not even joking because when I said, like, I'm not 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.800 holding any grudges against anybody, like I'm going in to play, 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:29.840 like I really felt that way. I was like, whatever, 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.000 this is a game, Like I'm not going to sit 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:32.919 here and cry and like get mad at everybody, like 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:34.359 we're going in. We're going in. I have to go 0:17:34.400 --> 0:17:37.199 in with that mentality in order to come out successful, 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.800 and I feel like that's what made us play that game. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.280 So well, yeah, you guys crushed the elimination for Yeah, 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:43.480 you guys did crush it. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:47.520 I wish they showed like how like I was just 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:51.320 like grabbing the stars like they were nothing. I was 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.120 just like, I'm just going to do this as fast 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.400 as possible. And I actually thought. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:59.360 I killed it a little ticker bell were little ticker bell. 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:04.359 Think, Well, I think that mentality of being like, you know, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.280 if I go in worst case scenario, if you go in, 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:07.800 I mean it's always you go home. But you know, 0:18:07.880 --> 0:18:10.479 as we've as we know you personally, and also you've 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.560