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Speaker 1: All right, Corey, go ahead and put that bear fat

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Speaker 1: bear grease render of all time. We're gonna render bear

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Speaker 1: Grease Render. Everybody. Like I said, We're in Montana and

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by two special guests. I have to my left,

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Speaker 1: Bear John nwcom my son. Hello, how's it going bear,

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Speaker 1: pretty kid? Pretty good? Bears got a story to tell

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Speaker 1: us here a little bit. And then Corey Hawkins of

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Speaker 1: Meat Eater Corey, good to have you, Man, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me. We are we're creekside. We've been bear hunting

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Speaker 1: in Montana, and so for for anybody that this would

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Speaker 1: is when we we generally talk about the previous week's podcast.

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Speaker 1: On this episode, this is in the field Burghery Surrender,

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Speaker 1: the adventures that we've had over the last five days.

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Speaker 1: This is the fifth day of our Western Spring bear Hunt. Corey.

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Speaker 1: You've been doing this for a long time though, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your first spring bear hunt, Western spring bear hunt. What

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Speaker 1: I mean it's a lot different than hunting back in Arkansas.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk some about our last Genuine Outlaw series.

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Speaker 1: to dive into our hunt this week, Corey. This is

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Speaker 1: is two different hunts. Man. You've got it back in

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Speaker 1: here for a long time, that's right. Tell me what

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Speaker 1: meat Eater. Well, I guided back here for eight years. Uh,

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Speaker 1: You started for meat to your year and a half ago? Correct?

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Speaker 1: And now, Bart, did you know that Corey guided for

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Speaker 1: got some good stories, and you spend eight years guiding,

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00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: you have a lot of good stories. Um. We're floating,

424
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,719
Speaker 1: floating our rafts down the river that I was guiding

425
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: on and there was a single gentleman just on the

426
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: river bank. I couldn't tell if he was trying a

427
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: shoe or tying a fly on the end of his

428
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: fly line. I was just sitting there up against a

429
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 1: big boulder. And as we come up to him, we're saying, Hey,

430
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 1: how's it going. How long are you gonna be out here?

431
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: You can't back in the wood. I mean, you're way

432
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: away from civilization. Yeah, we're pretty far in there. Um

433
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: and chit chatting. But as the boat goes around this

434
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: rock and this gentleman, as we're floating downstream by him,

435
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: I see a little black bear five and a half

436
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: maybe six ft black bear sniffing that rock like he

437
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: can smell something funny. And I go, black bear, black bear, like, sir,

438
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: get up, there's something sniffing right behind you. And he

439
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: gets up and the bear scurries off, runs up into

440
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: the woods. Didn't think much about it. There's just another

441
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: another bear a little too close to human. But it

442
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: freaked him out for sure. Come to here a week later,

443
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: that gentleman got drug out of his tent by a

444
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 1: black bear. Whether he had a Snickers bar in his

445
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: tent or his toothpaste or whatever that bear. Now, I

446
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: don't know if it was the same black bear or not,

447
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: but that person got drug out of his tent and

448
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: got beat up pretty bad. If I remember right, life

449
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 1: flight had to fly in and a black bear. And

450
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 1: when you told me that story, I mean, it makes

451
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: sense to me that it was I mean, it had

452
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,679
Speaker 1: to have been the same bear. I mean, if it

453
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: was that curious that maybe it's possible. It's very ironic regardless, Well,

454
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: we were what we were talking about was what's more

455
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: dangerous a black bearing or a grizzing And I mean,

456
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: the obvious answer is grizzly, but they're they're definitely more

457
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: grizzly fatalities. But there are quite a few black bear attacks.

458
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: But black bears aren't much much much larger geographic area,

459
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: I mean exponentially larger than where grizz are. So it's

460
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: not really comparing apples to apples, you know, but bear,

461
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: what's the closest bear encounter you've had? Probably that the

462
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: the one we just said. Have you ever been bear

463
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: baiting with me? When we've had bears? Get? I mean,

464
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: I've remember one time whenever I was probably like ten,

465
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: we were going in on a bait and there was

466
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: already bear there m hm. And I actually remember twice

467
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: that happened, and once where we were baiting and there

468
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: was kind of a bear just like probably fifty yards

469
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: away from us. It's kind of circling in Oklahoma. Do

470
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 1: you remember the one time we had a bear? You

471
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: were just a little boy and there was a little

472
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: bear at a bait, and uh, I kind of halfway

473
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: remember saying, hey, bear, see if you can see how

474
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,360
Speaker 1: close you can get to that bear. And you started stalking,

475
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 1: and I mean you were just a little kid, and uh,

476
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: you kind of got a little ways away from me,

477
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I was like, this is

478
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: a really bad idea, and I called you back, and

479
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: then I I went in and stalked up pretty close.

480
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: It was when we first started baiting bears. Pretty you

481
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,959
Speaker 1: were guiding. Yeah, yeah, I think I kind of remember

482
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: that I sent you in and it was such a

483
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: small bear. I was like, it was just kind of funny.

484
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: And then and then the bear didn't wasn't afraid, and

485
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: then I moved in and got about five yards from it.

486
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: And then I remember having the initial thought, first time

487
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: I ever thought it of that that's like a hundred

488
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: and twenty five pound raccoon and I have incredible respect

489
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: for a raccoon. And I was like, oh, I get

490
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: it now. There was a time when I was like,

491
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: I remember having a philosophy at one time in my

492
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: life Corey that a hundred and fifty pound tough man

493
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: ought to be able to combat a hundred and fifty

494
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: pounds bear. I was like, bear muscle. Muscle is muscle,

495
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: So if it's a hundred fifty pound bear, other than

496
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,439
Speaker 1: he's got claws and teeth, you should be good. And

497
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: then I've recanted that sense. I think bear muscle is

498
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: more legit than human muscle. Now I realize how stupid

499
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: that was. Punch him in the nose. Punch them in

500
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: the nose. It's like hitting a man in his groin.

501
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: I've heard, I haven't had two yet, but if you

502
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: punch them in the nose, it hurts him. Yeah, that's

503
00:28:53,440 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: their weak spot. M Well, okay, so that was the

504
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: exciting part of day two. The exciting part of day

505
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: three was we we decided to walk back into an

506
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: area that was just kind of walking only, and we've

507
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: we we left the truck around one o'clock. Would you say, guys,

508
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: one o'clock. We leave the truck pretty early, and we

509
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: start finding quite a bit of grizz sign and griff sign.

510
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be like huge piles of bear scat

511
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: that are just way bigger than you know, a black

512
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: bear would have. It's usually pretty obvious. It's like the

513
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: size of a horse horsecat. Yeah, and so we started

514
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: seeing some grizz sign We continued to do a little

515
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 1: predator colling. We were kind of encouraged by our success

516
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: with presuted Colin, so we had a pretty good system

517
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: where I would have the bear a spray out and

518
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: I would be turned around behind these guys and they

519
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: had two rifles. And we started predator calling in bigger,

520
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: more open areas where you could see something coming. And

521
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: we we probably predator called four or five more sets

522
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: and and never had any success. Even though we did.

523
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: Predator called at a sou and cubs that we saw,

524
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: and they moved towards us slightly, but they wouldn't commit

525
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: to coming in. We could see him a long ways off,

526
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: so on this day, I'm getting ahead of myself, but

527
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: we we would later in the day see a sow

528
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: with cubs, black bear, black bear predator call at him.

529
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: The sal just got real nervous and got pacing around,

530
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: and she'd trot forty yards closer to us and then

531
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: stop and the cubs would run up to her, and

532
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: then she'd kind of run back, and you could tell

533
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: us she was just kind of confused, and she was

534
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: out there about two yards from us and never would

535
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: commit but m and we just wanted to see what

536
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: she would do. But prior to that, we're coming around.

537
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: We started seeing some bear scat in the road, and

538
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: then what happened bear? We come around a corner and

539
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,239
Speaker 1: we look up and what do we see. It's like

540
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: a almost completely blonde Hold on, hold on, you're missing

541
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: one the grizz Oh, I don't want you to cut

542
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: to the chase yet. Before we saw the sow and

543
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: two cubs. We've seen a lot of bears this week.

544
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: We saw a grizzly bear probably eighty nine yards away.

545
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: We kind of come up over a little rise. There's

546
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: a grizzly eighty nine yards away, just in the wide open,

547
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: and we watch it for a little while, and finally

548
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: it kind of moves off and we we let it.

549
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: After we watched it for a minute, we kind of

550
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: let it know that we were there, just kind of

551
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: made our presence known, just kind of waved our hands

552
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, it didn't take much. She saw

553
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: took off, took off, and that's when we hunted on up,

554
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: saw the black bear, sound cubs, and then we split

555
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: up for the first time in the hunt. Corey kept

556
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: going down the road, and Bear and I dropped off

557
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: the mountain to a lower road that we'd found on

558
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: on X. We knew there was a road route below us,

559
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: and we've been split up. It took us probably thirty

560
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: minutes forty five minutes at most to get down to

561
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: the road, and we're making our way back to the truck.

562
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: And now it's about seven o'clock and Bear and I

563
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: are coming down this road and this road corey just

564
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: beautiful green grass, which is perfect. And it was in

565
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: a cut, so both sides of the road had, for

566
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: whatever reason, they had been cut by the Forest Service.

567
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: So there was just like big openings, which is great,

568
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: and around the big openings was big dark timber. And

569
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's getting the last two hours of daylight,

570
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: just prime time, and you're just slipping along, just just

571
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: trying to see a bear before it sees you, and

572
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: you're thinking it's gonna be a hundred and fifty yards

573
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: away or or ninety yards away. Bear and I are

574
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: just moving down through their slow and Bear was I

575
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: pumped about that? I mean, just was I Like, what

576
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: did I say? You were saying that this is where

577
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna kill a bear? Ye? Now, I say that

578
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: like every day we go hunting, but this one was

579
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: like this one, I was a little amped up more

580
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: than usual, Right, yep, could you tell. So we're walking

581
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: down this road and I'm this is bears first spring

582
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: bear hunts, so so I'm trying to just tell him

583
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: how how good this scenario is that we found ourselves

584
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: in and uh, yeah, man, the bear fat is looking

585
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: incredible liquid gold here. So what we've done is we've yeah,

586
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to the hunt. We gotta we

587
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: gotta talk about this for a minute. We've pulled the

588
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: heat off of this fat and there's there's still what

589
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: I would call the cracklings. Did you see one? It's

590
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: pretty just like chicken. Tastes like chicken. Yeah, it's hot,

591
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, um it's like a pork, I would say.

592
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: The oil is light like, kind of amber colored, and

593
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: the cracklings there's a we'll get a little bit more

594
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 1: liquid oil out of that. The finer that you can

595
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 1: cut your bare fat, put it on low heat. The

596
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: finer that you can cut it, the more yield of

597
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: liquid bear grease, bare oil you'll get from it. All

598
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: we did was we cubed up. We cubed up about

599
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: five to seven pounds of bear fat, put it in

600
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: the Dutch oven and put good heat on it. And

601
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: Corey has been stirring at this whole time, and so

602
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: it's now probably eight liquid solid and the little cracklings

603
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: eventually get down to where they won't render out in

604
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: to liquid oil anymore. The best way though, to do it,

605
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: to get the most yield of liquid oil and burgrease

606
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: is to grind it um. But in this scenario we

607
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: had to We had to just dice it up into

608
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: like one inch cubes and then just keep it stirring,

609
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: keep it on good heat. And what we'll do now

610
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: is we're gonna let it cool down for a while

611
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: and we're gonna run it through a dish towel as

612
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: a filter to filter out any just any particles that

613
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: were in there. You know, some of our meat in

614
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: the field, you know, there might have been a something

615
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,760
Speaker 1: on it. We're gonna filter it through a dish towel

616
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: and pour it into some jars that we have, and

617
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: so we'll get some fantastic oil. But we're gonna kind

618
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: of let it. We'll let it take a little bit

619
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: of heat, but we're gonna let it cool down. So

620
00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: there we were Bear John. We're walking down the road.

621
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: It's prime time. We're looking out to our left at

622
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: big snow covered mountains, walking through a road of emerald green.

623
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: It was like a bear hunter's dream. It's like it

624
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: being November five and you're setting over a bunch of

625
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: good sign and in your white tailed tree stand and

626
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: if you just feel like it's about to happen. I

627
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 1: really felt like it's about to happen. Well, what happens there?

628
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: What happened? Well? So we so we're walking down this

629
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: road and there's kind of like this little rise in

630
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: the road where it kind of goes up and then

631
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: drops down, and there's like a little brush pile almost

632
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: to the left of the road right even with like

633
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: the peak of the rise, so we can't really see

634
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: anything in that area, like because the brush is covering it.

635
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: And then there's the rise, so we can't see over that.

636
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: So we come up right to the top of this

637
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: this little rise and you like dug down and you're

638
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: like Bear, So I like kind of see it, and

639
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 1: I can see that it's like blonde. It's real confusing

640
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: hunting with somebody named Bear yes, especially when there's a

641
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: grizz and a black bear running that yet bear bear, No, bear, bear, bear, No, seriously,

642
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: one time, one time, Corey and I keep interrupting this story.

643
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: We'll get there. We gotta draw this out, man, you

644
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: can't just spill the beans this quick. No. One time,

645
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: while we were hunting this week, all three of us

646
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: are walking, We're all just scoping out the woods. It

647
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: was quiet, and I was trying to say something to

648
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: bear John Newcomb, and I said bear, and I remember

649
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: Corey jerked his head like he thought I was saying bear,

650
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: there's a bear? You did. There's a slight difference between uh,

651
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: there's a bear and bear, I mean, almost indiscernible. But

652
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I'm just trying to get him.

653
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: So okay, there we were yep, and so so I

654
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 1: say yeah, like saying that there's a bear, and so

655
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: what I was saying, yeah, And so I see the

656
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 1: bear like right as right as you go down, like

657
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: I see you go down, because you're looking over here,

658
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 1: and I see a bear like probably thirty five yards

659
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: from us. And at first, like I could tell it

660
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: was like black bear shaped, but it looked like a

661
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: grizzly like I was thinking. I was thinking, like, oh man,

662
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: it's just another grizzly, which would have been cool, but

663
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to get a black bear and

664
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of grizzlies at this point in

665
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: the hunt. Yeah, you had just seen one an hour before.

666
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: Blonde grizzly Yeah, I mean almost the same color as

667
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 1: the one that we saw, a grizzled grizzly bear. So

668
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 1: we kind of like peek back up and you look

669
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: at it and you're like, that's a black bear, and

670
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: you tell me to look at it, and I look

671
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: at it, and I mean, it's definitely a black confirmation

672
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: from him, because you know, to hunt Montana you have

673
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: to take a bear I D Digital Bear I D

674
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: test where they show you pictures of color face bear

675
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: and grizzly bears and it says, is this a grizzly bear,

676
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: is this a brown bear? Is this man? It's it

677
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: would be hard to describe, like unless you when you

678
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: when you see him, you know, and you know bear

679
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: hunters know it would be hard to mess up. But

680
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: at the same time, this bright blonde bear, like I

681
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: did a double take, just like God is that is

682
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: that a black bear? And I wanted and bear was

683
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 1: going to be the one to pull the trigger, so

684
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: I wanted him to be confident too, and I trusted

685
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: his judgment and I said, are you sure that's a

686
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: black bear? And he said, oh yeah, what what what

687
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: distinguishing characteristics? Um, it was just small. It was more round,

688
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: just like it's body. Just second general, it had a

689
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,439
Speaker 1: little bigger ears, a little closer together. Um that's really all.

690
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: I mean. It just looked like its face like if

691
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: you if you couldn't have seen its head, you'd have

692
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: thought it it would have it would have been hard

693
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: to tell what it was. It's hand to me, its

694
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: head was slightly darker than its body, yeah, and darker legs,

695
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: a little darker legs. And so once we bleach blonde

696
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: on the top, I mean like beautiful, I mean just

697
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: glowing in the sun. I mean it was incredible. Yeah,

698
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: And so I get the gun up. There's kind of

699
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: some like weeds in front of it. How far is

700
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: the bear? Probably less than thirty five probably, Like I mean,

701
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: we could it was a both shot. Yeah, And there's

702
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: some weeds in front of it, and I mean I

703
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: probably could have shot through the weeds and when he

704
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: killed it, but I was not gonna risk that, so

705
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: I kind of like walked to the ride a little

706
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: and you were telling me to shoot, but there were weeds.

707
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah that there were weeds, and so then it took

708
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: a big step and it was clear. So just freehanded,

709
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: just freehanded, you know, yep, shot it jumped up, probably

710
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: ran fifteen yards and died right next to this little

711
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: brush pile. And yeah, we walked over to it and

712
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: it had a big like diamond crest on it, like

713
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 1: it was like the shape of a diamond, like a

714
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: white white crest, but there was nothing in the middle,

715
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: so it was just like it was. It was the

716
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: color phase blond brown in the middle. Yeah. Yeah, and

717
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 1: for real, I'm not just saying this, it is. It's

718
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: the prettiest black wear I have ever seen. Me too,

719
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: we I was shocked. But I mean when we walked

720
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: up to it, and we knew what color it was

721
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: because we saw it when we shot it. But then

722
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: I walked up to it and Bear picks up that

723
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: front leg and it's got this not just a small diamond,

724
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: not like a six inch diamond. I'm talking like a

725
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: fourteen inch diamond that goes like way down in between

726
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: his front legs and way up on his chest. Just

727
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: this big white spot. You'll see it on my Instagram.

728
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: I'll post on the Clay Nukelem Instagram. Um a picture

729
00:41:56,080 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: of the bear. I mean, just beautiful bear. Um. I've

730
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: never killed a blonde bear. I've killed multiple color phrase bears,

731
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: but chocolate, cinnamash, cinnamon ish, but never cineamash. Never a

732
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: blonde bear. And uh, and then okay, I'll say this.

733
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: Typically in the West, you can almost take this to

734
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: the bank. Typically in the West, if you see a

735
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: bright blond black bear, usually it's a sow. I don't

736
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: know why, I can't describe it, but usually the soals

737
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 1: are the ones that are gonna be super light, that

738
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: bleach blonde blonde color. So when I saw the bear,

739
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: I actually thought it was probably a sow. But we

740
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: looked it over and could see it so good, and

741
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: it was kind of in the wide open, so, I mean,

742
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: we knew if it was a sou. I didn't have cubs.

743
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: And when we got up to it, I said, lift

744
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: that thing's legs up, and sure enough, it was a

745
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: bore and it was a It was a good one. Man.

746
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 1: We we squared it out back at camp and it

747
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: was six ft three wingspan and then five ft eight

748
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: nose to tail. Yep, so it ended up square and

749
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: just under six ft. So if you divided those two numbers,

750
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: ended up squaring five ft ten and a half is

751
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: what we decided. That's a where Western bear hunters dream

752
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: bear right there it is for up here. That's a

753
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: great I mean, if it had been a solid black bear,

754
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: we'd have been thrilled even at the size of it.

755
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: So the fact that it was a colored bear like

756
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: that was just off the charts, man, off the charts.

757
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: It's a rare, rare bear. And we thought that like

758
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: whenever I asked you, like what you'd think it would

759
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: square at first, Like when we just first walked up

760
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 1: to it, you said, like, it'll probably be like a

761
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: little bit about five ft. Once we started dragging it

762
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: out and started skinning it, you said like maybe five

763
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: and a half and then one so we had it

764
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,879
Speaker 1: like stretched out in the back of the truck. Then yeah,

765
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 1: just just like bigger usually they get smaller. Well, yeah,

766
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: when so bear and I decide, So we're now in

767
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: grizz Country. Deluxe and we've got a bear on the ground,

768
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: and so we knew we needed to work quick. And

769
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: it was it kind of was in a It fell

770
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: in a little bit of a brushy spot. So I said, hey,

771
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 1: let's drag this thing into that wide open right out there,

772
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: or we'll skin it. And so he and I start

773
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: dragging the thing, and it was all we wanted to drag.

774
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: And that's when I thought, Man, this dude maybe bigger,

775
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger than I think. You know. I

776
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: would guess the bear weight in the two pound range,

777
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, and for a Western bear, that's a fantastic

778
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: bears a damn weight. A lot of bears. Corey and Man,

779
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: I could make jokes all day. We've I've written articles

780
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,720
Speaker 1: about it about how typically people are at least thirty

781
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: off on their estimation of weight. Uh, if somebody says

782
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: it's two hundred, it's probably that. That's just my assessment

783
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: of of of watching the world. Rarely is anybody under

784
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: that um And and honestly, the bear, the bear was

785
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: I'd say from one now counting the thirty percent, I'm

786
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: hoping that's not thirty off. But well, those packs were

787
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: sure heavy with all the meat the hide and the head.

788
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: You guys were coming out heavy, so Corey was separated

789
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: from us, and so we we go to breaking down

790
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: the bear immediately. I mean, we take a few cell

791
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: phone picks and we we know it's getting dark, and

792
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: we're four miles from the truck, four miles from the truck,

793
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: and I'll all of a sudden, I'm thinking, you know,

794
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: we gotta be watching for Gris. So I pull out

795
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 1: my bear spray, keep the lid off, the safety off.

796
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 1: We go to skin in the bear and we get

797
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 1: it broke down, and probably forty five minutes or so,

798
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: and um get it in our packs and off we

799
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: go to meet you and meet up with you. Anyway,

800
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: incredible hunt. And since that time, Corey and I have

801
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: hunted a little bit, well, we've we've hunded a fair

802
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: bit since that time, but um, I have hadn't killed

803
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: one since. So it's gotten a little warm, so are

804
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: our time frames a little bit narrower. It was wet

805
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: and cold for the first three days, and now it's

806
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: been warm and dry, so it's been, in my opinion,

807
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: a little harder to harder to find him when it's

808
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: warm and dry like it is. So we've done well

809
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: this week. Yeah, I seen a lot of bears. Yeah. Well, okay,

810
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the Genuine Outlaws episode number two,

811
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 1: but I don't want to go into much of it, guys,

812
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: I want to just I just want to touch on it. Um.

813
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: I know both of you guys have listened to it,

814
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 1: and this is this is a barg rease render in

815
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: the field where we're literally rendering bargrease. And I want

816
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: to talk about this podcast with the with the render

817
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: crew from back in Arkansas too. But Corey, you listen

818
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: to it. What was your what do you think? Man?

819
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: Intriguing subject number one? I mean and and brave subject.

820
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: Nobody's really talked about this sort of thing. You know,

821
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: there's movies and books of outlaws and bad guys. Nobody's

822
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: really dove in and and uh, operated on it like

823
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: you are in the hunting space. So yeah, well in

824
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: the hunting hunting space. Yeah, exactly, Outlaws, poachers, what have you.

825
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: So it's been an intriguing topic and I love that

826
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: you're diving into it like you are. Yeah, you know

827
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: that it was We talked about this extensively, but in

828
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: the in the past, renders and even on the podcast,

829
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: But I kind of want to be true to the

830
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: culture of of of hunting of rural America. And I'm

831
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: telling you, people where I grew up wanted to talk

832
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: about Louis Dell and Charlie Edwards, and so did I,

833
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: And so here I have this podcast where we talk

834
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: about all things hunting, and I'm diving into these little

835
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: nuances inside of hunting and and and just trying to

836
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: figure out what kind of what makes us tick and

837
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: what what what's special? And what is is what what

838
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 1: what is the culture of hunting? And obviously poaching and

839
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: outlawn is a negative thing in any context, but I

840
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: was just really really had questions of why these guys

841
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of held the positions that they did inside of

842
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: our community and why we were so intrigued by and uh.

843
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: I still don't have all the answer for that, but

844
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: you may never find the answers. But they were definitely

845
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: a interesting oh super interesting brothers Bear. What do you think,

846
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: man Um? Yeah? I thought it was interested too. I remember,

847
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: like you and Papa talking about him, like just how

848
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: they a lot of those stories that were on the podcast,

849
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: I remember hearing from you and Papaul, But yeah, I

850
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,800
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting they had to be like really

851
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: good hunters, I feel like, because I mean, like we

852
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: hunt in that area all the time, and like the

853
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: fact that they could kill more turkeys than we're legal.

854
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: To me, I mean, I know there were more turkeys

855
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: back then, but still to me, seems like you would

856
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: have to be a really good hunter. We can hardly

857
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: kill one. Yeah, man, if we were trying to be outlaws,

858
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: we'd have a hard time. We were like, dog got it,

859
00:49:55,360 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: I can't kill over my limit for anything. H Uh, Poachers,

860
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: We need to make a movie called Poacher Has Gone

861
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: Bad where a couple of guys go out and inspired

862
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: by the Burglaries Genuine Outlaws podcast series, they're like, dog

863
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: gone up. Man, we're gonna be poachers and they go

864
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: out and they can't kill a thing. They're like, try

865
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: to break every game wall. This is a joke, people,

866
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: This is a joke. Um bear, did listen to this

867
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: make you want to be an outlaw? Okay? Good? Just checking,

868
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: just checking, man, my dad, if Gary nucom were here,

869
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: he's guests on the render often he kept a he

870
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: did a good job with me in I mean just

871
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,439
Speaker 1: he he exposed us to that stuff. And I said

872
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast that Dad, he instilled

873
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: me with a value system that I mean I've not

874
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: always upheld to. I mean, but I knew breaking game

875
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: laws wasn't the thing to do or something I was

876
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: interested in going out and doing on purpose. And but

877
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 1: at the same time, he exposed me to all this stuff,

878
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: and um, I think it was really value to me

879
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: to see him and he really did. Man, he was

880
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 1: He was influential to me in a lot of ways

881
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 1: when it came to people, because he dealt with so

882
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: many people and when he came home, those are the

883
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: stories he would tell about the people he had met.

884
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: And I just I don't know. I I probably just

885
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: was sitting there as a kid, not saying much not

886
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: He probably didn't even know that I was being impacted

887
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: by a lot of that stuff. But that's the beauty

888
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: of kind of father and son relationship, you know. But

889
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: what else do you think, Corey, anything else? What else

890
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: stood out to you? This is kind of like an

891
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: abbreviated an abbreviated render. As we talked about the genuine

892
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Outlaw series, I mean, who was a Neil took the

893
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: words right out of my mouth. Just describing them similar

894
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: to Robin Hood, how they were poaching all these animals,

895
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,879
Speaker 1: but they didn't waste the thing, and they were giving

896
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: them to the needy, the less able who couldn't get

897
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 1: out and hunt, you know, like helping people out at

898
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: the same time breaking laws, being unethical if you were

899
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: to describe it, but but helping people out at the

900
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: same time. Yeah, I mean I could see those two

901
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: being like Robin Hood and Little John walking through the

902
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: forest shooting turkeys and deer, golly wood a day, beautiful rhyme.

903
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: You know when I said all that, it wasn't to

904
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: justify what they did, because it doesn't justify what they

905
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: did is just interesting and and just it's just interesting

906
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: and in there ethics when it came to wasting meat,

907
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: I would say they had very high standards, especially for

908
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: the time when it came to wasting meat. And does

909
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: that mean I'm trying to say it was okay for

910
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: you them to coach, No, I'm just saying it was interesting. Well,

911
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:08,080
Speaker 1: you wish ethical hunters had that same drive to utilize

912
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: the entire animal. There's many people who only get one

913
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: deer tag, one elk tag, but they don't take all

914
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: the meat. They don't cook up those deer elk shanks.

915
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: You know, they don't know about it. They don't. And

916
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 1: it sounds like these guys, even though they were breaking laws,

917
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 1: they were somehow on the bright side of things at

918
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: the same time. There was a dark side and a

919
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: bright side. Well, and then I was really, uh, I'll

920
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: tell you what, We're going back to the render pot.

921
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and take that off of their court,

922
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: and let's just put the Dutch oven live on it

923
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: so it doesn't get ash in it. I think we're

924
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: so we've rendered it down. It's probably over liquid. We're

925
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: just gonna let it cool in this pot before we

926
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: poured into our jars. But I'm gonna guess we've got

927
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: over a gallon. Would you say we've got to? Do

928
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: you think it's probably a gallon? I mean, and pouring

929
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: a gallon milk jug in there, Yeah, that's a gallon. Yeah.

930
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: So no, I I was interested in I asked. I

931
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: asked Stony. I said, I said, hey, Stony, do y'all

932
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: have some deer heads from your uncle and dad. I

933
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: envisioned them just having a barn just full of deer horns,

934
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: and uh, and to be honest with that. I wasn't

935
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: gonna put that on the podcast. I wanted to go

936
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: see him. I mean, these guys were deer hunters too,

937
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,879
Speaker 1: I mean their whole life. I mean, like serious deer

938
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: hunters and says, oh no, they didn't keep any horns,

939
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: and and I was like, what didn't keep any horns?

940
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean, when you hear poacher, you think, oh, somebody

941
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: that's wanting to shoot the biggest buck and you know,

942
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: brag on what a big buck he killed. Around here

943
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: people anywhere, I guess you they shoot animals and you

944
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: just see a decapitated critter because that's where they were after,

945
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: was the trophy. And and does that make it right

946
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: to poach? No? And then the one time that they

947
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: turned somebody in, and that would have been funny, like

948
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: in our community, like if you would have heard Loudell

949
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: and Charlie turned in somebody the game and fish, I mean,

950
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: people would have laughed at that. You know that these

951
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: guys were turning someone in. But the one time they

952
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: turned somebody in was when they found behind a deer camp,

953
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: they found like four deer that just the backstraps and

954
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 1: horns have been taken, and they were like, Nah, that's

955
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: it isn't gonna fly. They call it game of fish.

956
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: Does that make it right? Bear? It just makes it

957
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: what interesting? Yep, that's what it does. It just makes

958
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: it's just interesting. And I always like it when um

959
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: when when I don't, I just feel like just everybody's

960
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 1: got a story, and there's value inside of just about

961
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 1: any story and just about any person's life. And I

962
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: like it when we kind of can can see interesting

963
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 1: stuff inside of maybe someone that the world had labeled

964
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: as a negative person. And we're gonna dive into this

965
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 1: a lot deeper. Man, do you all have any closing

966
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:32,399
Speaker 1: thoughts on the Outlaw podcast? Corey, let's just start their

967
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: Outlaw podcast closing thoughts. I hope you dive in and

968
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: dissect if there's another duo of outlaws or do you

969
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 1: want some more? I want some more? You're going on

970
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: the record. I know this was kind of just like

971
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 1: a a tippy toe step into this subject, and I

972
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: hope there's more offended by this, because no, man, it

973
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: may have been just like Crystal Clear like I was.

974
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 1: I was obviously I was confident enough to do it,

975
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: but I and I have taken a little bit of

976
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: heat because it is controversial. It's controversial to paint someone

977
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: who's clearly an outlaw in any kind of positive light.

978
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,919
Speaker 1: And I absolutely I mean we talked about their whole

979
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: lives and so. But you want some more of it? Okay? Bear?

980
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 1: What what? What do you think about the Burgers podcast?

981
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: You're a fan or you just kind of like it's

982
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: the dad talking. I like it? You like it? How

983
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: much do you listen to the Barger's podcast? Honestly? Um, well,

984
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 1: since I started driving on my own, I've been listening

985
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: to it because I thought you were gonna say more

986
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: and I was gonna be really proud. Oh yeah, no,

987
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: because whenever I'm in the car with you, when you're

988
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: driving me places, you know, we always listened to them.

989
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: But whenever it's just me, I I listened to him

990
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: to edit them. Corey Bear, how often do you listen

991
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: to the Meat Eater podcast? Probably never? Oh, well, that

992
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: means areas must be a little better no offense. Well, hey,

993
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: great week, what a week? Great week, Gris Encounters, Bear

994
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: Encounters killed the beautiful bear ate some great food. We're

995
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: hunting in cories. This is this is Corey's place, and man,

996
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: thanks a ton for having us up here. My pleasure.

997
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: Thanks for coming all the way up here. Hey tell us,

998
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: I never got to what you do for meat Eater,

999
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: now you have you. You were the what I was

1000
00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: the communications coordinator answer and all the incoming emails to

1001
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: meat Eater at the meat eater dot com. But I

1002
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 1: just got promoted to the hunt and fish coordinator. Yeah,

1003
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: which I'm fresh at this role. Yeah, I'm excited to work.

1004
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: I'll be able to work a lot closer to the

1005
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: crew Clay Steve Johnnie. Yeah, Yeah, I'm excited. Excellent. Well,

1006
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: we got some bear fat to pour into some jars

1007
00:58:56,080 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: and the next bar Grease podcast. I'm very excited about it.

1008
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: It's it's more outlaw stuff, but it's more us dissecting

1009
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: the American intrigue with outlaws, not just American, the human

1010
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,960
Speaker 1: nature's intrigue with outlaws and kind of dissecting it. I

1011
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 1: think it's gonna help for me to make sense of

1012
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: some of this. Yeah, I'm gonna need some of that too,

1013
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,160
Speaker 1: because that's what's intriguing. Like, I didn't realize it was

1014
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: an intriguing subject, But being able to delve into that

1015
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: will make it. And I may or may not have

1016
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: interviewed the director of the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission

1017
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: about poaching in Arkansas. Cool. You have to see if

1018
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: I did or not. Maybe that's just a bluff. You

1019
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: think it's a think I'm bluff and bear. Doubt it

1020
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 1: a bluff and bear. Get it, bluff and bear. We've

1021
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: been bluffed out maybe once or twice this week. Keep

1022
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where the bears live. Amen.