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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys blowing out of

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Speaker 2: Next flowing down the sideline, he.

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Speaker 1: Is hanging with the Boys, presented by Windstuff where flavor

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Speaker 1: gets its wings. Now your hosts Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Holly, and Shannon Grosso.

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Speaker 2: And it's two.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what that means if the good thing

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Speaker 2: or a bad thing about alive. Look at the Dostinos

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Speaker 2: Championship Plaza outside in front of the Ford Stenter. We're

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Speaker 2: currently right now. It is twenty three degrees. Today's high

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Speaker 2: will be twenty seven degrees. Today's low low low low

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Speaker 2: will be ten.

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Speaker 4: Nobody likes that.

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Speaker 2: Sure you drip those pipes, making sure you drift the

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Speaker 2: pipes right there. Man, it's gonna be a cold week.

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Speaker 2: It's it's indicative of what it feels like around here

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Speaker 2: in Cowboy Nation. After a devastating, embarrassing, embarrassing putrick pathetic.

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Speaker 2: We can keep adding the names under this lost with

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Speaker 2: the Cowboys took this past weekend. In wild Card Weekend two,

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Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers forty eight thirty two and the

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Speaker 2: thirty two was not indicative of what this game is.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: This segment is brought to you by Wingstop. But Flavor

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Speaker 2: gets his wings. But we are without Shannon. He is

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Speaker 2: he took the ted cruise approach. He went to mexicast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he did. But that is Kurt. This is Nate,

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Speaker 2: I am Zaddy. Holly in the back is keeping us up?

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Speaker 2: Is Chris Beam. Together we make hanging with the Boy

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Speaker 2: the sports talk equivalent of Braille. People feel us when

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Speaker 2: we speak. There's so many layers and not enough time.

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Speaker 2: I promise you we will not have a time enough

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Speaker 2: time to hit all of the layers in this debacle

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Speaker 2: of a loss that the Cowboys took this Sunday against

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Speaker 2: the Green Bay Packers. Nate, we talk a lot, a

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Speaker 2: lot about your nineties Cowboys, and we talk a lot

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Speaker 2: Kurt about what the standard is. And I even heard

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott said after the game, and he talked about

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Speaker 2: a level of standard and I heard it and it

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Speaker 2: took me to a nasty place because the standard that

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Speaker 2: has been a plot to the Dallas Cowboys has not

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Speaker 2: been one of the nineties. The standard that has been

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Speaker 2: applied to the Cowboys as of late is exactly what

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Speaker 2: you put out on the field on Sunday. So to

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Speaker 2: talk about that championship is the standard, No, it's not.

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Speaker 2: Championship has not been the standard around here for a

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Speaker 2: very very very long time. Yeah, and the way that

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Speaker 2: it's looking that may continue to be the trend of

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Speaker 2: what the standard is in Cowboy Nation. Now, we'll get

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Speaker 2: into it and we'll break it down on who gets

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Speaker 2: to blame and where the fingerpoint. But Emmitt Smith, Michael

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Speaker 2: Irvin all came out this weekend and they all had

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Speaker 2: very choice things that they said about this Cowboys team.

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Speaker 2: And that was very unlike especially Michael, especially Mike, who is,

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Speaker 2: if not the biggest homer next to the biggest homer

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Speaker 2: very choice things to say. And of course everyone wants

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Speaker 2: do we start? Where do we start? Do we start

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Speaker 2: with the head coach?

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Speaker 5: Kurt?

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Speaker 2: Is it the head coach? Does does this fall? Does

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Speaker 2: this fall squarely on the shoulders of Mike McCarthy. Does

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Speaker 2: he require the brunt of the blame in this loss?

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Speaker 4: Well, he has to definitely take blame because at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day at all Paul Roads lead through him,

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Speaker 4: his past. You'd like to think he could figure that

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Speaker 2: Nate.

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Speaker 5: The thing here, excuse me, I'm so sorry for that.

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Speaker 5: The thing here is you can get rid of coach

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Speaker 5: McCarthy and you're gonna have to get rid of Dan Quinn.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have to get rid of the offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna have to get rid of everything that coaches

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Speaker 5: That's gonna hold guys to different perspectives. What I'm trying

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Speaker 5: it ain't gonna just be coach. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 5: you ready to do that? You have to ask yourself

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Speaker 5: as a fan base, as you know as players, Okay,

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Speaker 5: we let the coach down, we don't let ourselves down.

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Speaker 5: now this a lot goes with losing your head coach,

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Speaker 5: because it ain't gonna just be your head coach, because

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Speaker 5: no coaching they right mind going for the Jason Garrett.

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Speaker 5: We already got the staff in place, and nobody going

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Speaker 5: for that. They bring they want to bring in their guys.

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Speaker 5: So that that's how I feel about it. And you

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Speaker 5: finna give it to you now. I don't want Mike

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Speaker 4: What do you think you know?

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Speaker 2: I think I think Nate's point is valid. I think

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Speaker 2: when you talk about firing a coach, you're talking about

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Speaker 2: his staff being fired as well. You're talking about whoever

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Speaker 2: you now bring in that that will be. Now talking

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Speaker 2: have their own thoughts in their process of their own visions, right,

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Speaker 6: And yeah, if you're going to do it, then do

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Speaker 2: But I think that the entire house has to be

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Speaker 2: for that, right, there's an availability for them. And now

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Speaker 2: there's some names that's been passed around, Bill Belichick, Jim Harball,

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Speaker 5: I'm not dictators dictators, Stop not you, Jed. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: This team has a higherarchy that believes in a democratic vote,

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Speaker 5: and the majority wins unless the fifty on a say

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Speaker 5: I want it like this. Other than that, it goes

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Speaker 5: to a vote Hardball, don't vote.

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Speaker 3: Belichick, Belichick, don't vote.

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Speaker 5: He go to Steven and Steven, I need for this

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Speaker 5: mister Jones Stephen Jones said, well, let me check with Dad,

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Speaker 5: let me go over here with Will and Bella said, really,

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Speaker 5: I ain't signed up for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So.

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Speaker 2: And that's a great point. That's a great point. You

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Speaker 2: But it's really like, listen, it's not asking the A

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Speaker 2: Those are some of the young new names that you're hearing,

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Speaker 2: not for the Cowboys job, but just for head coaching vacancy. Vacancy.

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Speaker 2: So now this is this is what this is what

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do think dan Quinn finally sees this is

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 3: I'm not.

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Speaker 2: I'm not the hot commody like I was the past

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Speaker 2: So I think I think we'll see the exit of

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Speaker 2: dan Quinn is offen for a head coaching job. I

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Speaker 2: do think that. But for Mike McCarthy, the middle is

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Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy. That is where you stay put where you're

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Speaker 2: I'm going to the older coaches like you were talking

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Speaker 2: now go to the youth movement. And in the youth movement,

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Speaker 3: Where are you thinking youth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking you gotta go youth. I'm thinking I'm

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Speaker 2: thinking now it's it's right if slow it comes from

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Speaker 2: very very very wow because the way that the game

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Speaker 2: Look at look at the offenses that are that are

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Speaker 4: The test that time mcarthury was instituted.

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Speaker 4: You watch the game, that's what he was bringing with.

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Speaker 3: Let's do this. That's a great that's a great point.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Hanging with the Boys, where we continue

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Speaker 2: to break down the state of the Cowboys after taking

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Speaker 2: I think they said. They said the Cowboys in the

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Speaker 2: That don't take him down. I get back to this.

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Speaker 4: That's what jumped out to me. It was like they weren't.

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Speaker 5: This is this is what hurts when you when you

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Speaker 5: that is built to score first. Yes, and if you

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Speaker 5: Then we come back the next possession, it's a pick six.

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Speaker 5: They gaven pasketball took him out of the game. No

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Speaker 5: Don't think that coach McCarthy, if that would have been

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Speaker 2: You're saying, captain, what are we going to do? How

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Speaker 2: If they beat me anywhere else, I'll go, all right,

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Speaker 2: he had no answer. Dan Quinn. The record came out,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I know they say sometimes keep your

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Speaker 3: This we have.

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Speaker 2: Praised dan Quinn. We've praised him, We've lifted them and

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Speaker 2: paid a ton of money, he's for the last two years,

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Speaker 2: he's done a great job. And from whatever reason, he

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Speaker 2: didn't have an answer.

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Speaker 4: No, but I don't think he like Nate kind of

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Speaker 4: mentioned earlier. The big picture of that defense just wasn't

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Speaker 4: gonna work in that game of the town. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they just got beat run over. You know, there's where

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Speaker 4: is it like six defensive backs on the field forty

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Speaker 4: eight Yeah, two tight end sets and all that. I

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Speaker 4: just they just can't.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: But there were three or four plays Kurt or receivers

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Speaker 2: like the ope, it's one. It's one thing to this

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Speaker 2: is wide open in the National Football League. Like if

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Speaker 2: you're a receiver, tight end, running back and you're running this,

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Speaker 2: if if I had this much on a step on

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Speaker 2: a guy, I'm wide open.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are.

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Speaker 2: Four or five There were four, at least four plays

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Speaker 2: in this starts. There wasn't ten fifteen twenty yards near

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Speaker 2: the receiver for the Packers like that. It's okay to

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Speaker 2: happen once, but when you happened that many times, that

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Speaker 2: tells me that they had your number all game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, explain that part of it to me, because we

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Speaker 4: kept hearing the announcers saying, well, they usually play man,

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Speaker 4: they're playing zone. And that was one of the reasons

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Speaker 4: for the breakdowns, Like the big play to the tight end.

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Speaker 4: The Bell and Wilson both they didn't pass one, you know,

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Speaker 4: the guy off I mean, is that was that a

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Speaker 4: legitimate thing?

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Speaker 5: Well, let me say something about zone and I'm talking

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Speaker 5: about it. Maybe the zones have changed since I played

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Speaker 5: eons ago, but every zone that I see, they back

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Speaker 5: up and don't let nobody get behind these four players, Yes,

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Speaker 5: talking about nobody was behind them, in front of them,

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Speaker 5: around them.

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Speaker 3: So what zone were they playing? A lot of these

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Speaker 3: times they were in. Man. The thing that hurts.

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Speaker 5: Is we've set we shot there all game, all year long,

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Speaker 5: saying eventually it's gonna get us the ability to run

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Speaker 5: and mix. In the past when they want to, they

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Speaker 5: did it.

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Speaker 3: Now. I want to say this right here.

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Speaker 5: Is it a good thing to have six receivers with

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Speaker 5: over six hundred yards or is it a bad thing?

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Speaker 5: Because you don't know who's gonna have that day. All

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Speaker 5: of these guys can run routes that all of them

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Speaker 5: seem to be pretty big, and they all are connected

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Speaker 5: to their quarterback. And they showed up, fellas, they showed up.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll take our last break of the show

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Speaker 2: and then we'll come back and we'll talk about the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys quarterback. What should they do? Well, Dak Prescott, he

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Speaker 2: is a guy who has one year left on his

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Speaker 2: And do you have Some conversations are saying blow it up,

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to hanging with the boys. We are without Shannon.

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Speaker 2: Star with coaches and players. Have they conclude their exit interviews.

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Speaker 3: By now right? Yeah, j I'm gone to play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, are gone. The players are gone, and and and

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Speaker 2: and now we are on to the off season.

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Speaker 4: Off season zero. Who thought would be this early?

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Speaker 2: Who'd have thought it? Whould have thought it? The off

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Speaker 2: season where the conversations and the speculations begin to swirl.

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Speaker 2: This Cowboys team has a couple of players that are

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Speaker 2: due for contracts. Michael Parsons is up, it is eligible

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Speaker 2: for a contract, and I assume that he wants to

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Speaker 2: be the highest played defensive player in NFL history. Seedee

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Speaker 2: Lamb is eligible for a contract. I'm going to assume

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Speaker 2: that he is going to want to get paid like

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Speaker 2: an all pro number one wide receiver, elite receiver in

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Speaker 2: this league. And the going rate for that thirty million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year. And and then you have your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And then you have Dak Prescott, who has who's on

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Speaker 2: the books next year for fifty nine and some change

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Speaker 2: million dollars, let's say sixty million dollars a huge cap pit.

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Speaker 2: This is the part of the game where money gets

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Speaker 2: moved down the line. He has a fake two years

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Speaker 2: that left on it really on the deal, but there's

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Speaker 2: no money in those deals. It's it's this this right here.

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Speaker 2: And so you have a couple things that you can

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Speaker 2: kind of do with this money. You can you can

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Speaker 2: you can let him play at this price tag and say,

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Speaker 2: all right, sixty million dollars next year. That's a lot

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Speaker 2: of money on the books, and it limits what you

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Speaker 2: can do as far as building and bringing other pieces.

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Speaker 2: You can post June won it and now have to

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Speaker 2: eat thirty million of it will be the cappit on it.

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Speaker 2: Or which most people think, which I think the Cowboys

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Speaker 2: will probably do, is they'll extend them and they'll take

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Speaker 2: that money, they'll put it back in the pot. They'll

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Speaker 2: add some years to it, and they'll add some more

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Speaker 2: money to it, and it'll come out and it'll sound

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Speaker 2: something like five years to two two hundred and seventy million.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the number is, two hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty plus over the next couple of years, which will

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Speaker 2: bring that cap number down, which will then allow you

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Speaker 2: to pay other players and continue to keep this thing

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Speaker 2: pushing forward. My question to you, and the question that

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Speaker 2: many of Cowboy Nation have, is of the three options,

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Speaker 2: do you say we play this thing out one more year,

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Speaker 2: we pay the money, we take the hit, and we

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Speaker 2: move on from Dak Prescott, or at some point in

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Speaker 2: time throughout that year you try to trade him. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's a difficult as well, because he has no trading

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Speaker 2: calls in his contract. It's going to be very difficult

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Speaker 2: to do that. Or do you cut them, take the

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Speaker 2: hit and you just say, hey, Trey Lance will be

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Speaker 2: the gap year quarterback that we'll use, and we'll figure

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Speaker 2: this thing out down like where where do you? Where

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Speaker 2: do you I want Kurt? Where do you want to go?

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Speaker 3: Nate?

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Speaker 2: Where do you want to go? We'll start with you

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Speaker 2: Kurt first. When it comes to Dak Prescott, where do

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Speaker 2: you want to go? And why?

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Speaker 4: Well? I think their hands are tied.

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Speaker 3: Where do you?

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Speaker 2: Where do I want to go?

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Speaker 4: I want to I want the extension. I think the

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Speaker 4: way that contract is built, they don't have much other

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Speaker 4: choice unless they're willing to just blow it up and

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Speaker 4: start over. Because a sixty million dollar cap hit, you're left,

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Speaker 4: Like you said, you're left with Trey Lance and who

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Speaker 4: knows what else. Even if Trey Lance is your quarterback,

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Speaker 4: you still can't bring much else in because you're You're

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Speaker 4: CAP's a mass. So unless the and I don't I

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Speaker 4: don't think they're that. I mean, they're right on the

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Speaker 4: edge of twelve win season the last three years. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's just I hate for them to just blow it up.

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Speaker 2: But we've come to this place in the playoffs every

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Speaker 2: single year. We know that the regular season success is there.

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Speaker 2: It's been there, it's always been there. But the but

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Speaker 2: the hurdle is the playoffs, right, and if we're keeping

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Speaker 2: the coaches and we're keeping the quarterback, how do we

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Speaker 2: get a different result? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I mean that's Maybe it's the players around him, I

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Speaker 4: mean more physical, more that kind of thing. Maybe it's

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Speaker 4: the you know, your defensive cordion or know, although he's

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Speaker 4: pretty physical as it is with Quinn, I don't know

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Speaker 4: how you fix that. I'm not a coach. Wish I was,

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Speaker 4: actually I don't.

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Speaker 5: Wish the question, but Jesse is just so hard. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: with a decision, you know, well.

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Speaker 2: There has to be a the sai.

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Speaker 5: There has been and I outgree but this is one time, man,

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Speaker 5: I'm not agree with Kurt. I this book my pay grade. Bro,

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Speaker 5: Maybe you can come up with a better asked, because

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Speaker 5: if you get rid of Dak Okay, now you gotta

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Speaker 5: I'm Trey Lance even on my radar.

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Speaker 4: It have to be. If you get rid of Dak

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Speaker 4: yeah yeah.

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Speaker 13: But but you can't get rid of him this year

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Speaker 13: because of the sixty cap.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that ain't going certainly.

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Speaker 13: His contract right now is twenty three point four seven

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Speaker 13: percent of the Cowboys salary cap.

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Speaker 7: So there you go.

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Speaker 5: So My thing is, is all of his guaranteed money

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Speaker 5: being paid? What out of that sixty one million next

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Speaker 5: year is he actually gonna get paid? Is it twenty

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Speaker 5: at thirty.

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Speaker 3: All of it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: All of what is pushed on the one.

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Speaker 4: Year that's everything is Is it pushed?

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Speaker 3: It's just pushing. Yeah.

658
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 4: Like it's twenty nine million base, thirteen million from his

659
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 4: signing bonus, five million for a roster bonus, twelve million

660
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 4: for restructure. It all adds up to the sixty million.

661
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: You have no other choice. You just answered it. You

662
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 3: have to extend him. You have no other choice. You

663
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 3: are trapped, So you have to extend him. That's what

664
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 3: I want him here or not.

665
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,479
Speaker 5: My answer to this is Dak cannot be a part

666
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 5: of the losing equation. That's just the bottom line. Last year,

667
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 5: the interceptions, the year before the interception, This year fourteen points.

668
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 5: Dak has to find a way to not be a

669
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 5: part of the losing equation when we go into the playoffs.

670
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 5: When when when I as a fan now as an

671
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 5: ex player, but as a fan, look.

672
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: Up and say what need to be fixed? I can't say, head.

673
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 5: Coach, quarterback, that means you got to blow the whole

674
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 5: thing up. You want to probably say head coach, get

675
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 5: ready to head coach, fixed the offensive line or fix

676
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: the defensive line.

677
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 3: But you don't want to say, head coach. Quarterback. That's

678
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,919
Speaker 3: the team, bro, that is the team.

679
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 4: Can't fix anything else if you're getting rid of it. Yeah, Dak,

680
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah you can. Maybe if you have him

681
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 4: and restructure him, you can improve the running game or

682
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 4: you know, improve the defense something like to prove the

683
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: offensive line. But if you if you get rid of him,

684
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 4: you can't.

685
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: Well, some will say how much more improvement do you

686
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: want to do because they'll say nine All Pros this year,

687
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: they'll say fifteen Pro Bowlers? How many problem they.

688
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: Have to go? I can't remember when. Yeah, a lot

689
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: a lot.

690
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: Of Pro Bowlers this year, right, And they's saying, what

691
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: what what more can you give him?

692
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

693
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: It's like because no matter what you give him, at

694
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: the end of the day, he has been part of,

695
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: part of, not all, but he's been a part of

696
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: and that if we give him. The thing about quarterback

697
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 2: and coach is this, if you give the quarterback all

698
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 2: the credit when you're wining, then he has to take

699
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: all the credit. When you lose, right, right, So the

700
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 2: thing that's been the common denominator or or the main state,

701
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 2: and a lot of these playoff losses, it has been

702
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: back in the center.

703
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 3: Yeah.

704
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: So and this is this is not coming off year

705
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 2: two or three. This is coming off this is coming

706
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: off your worst playoff performance in year eight.

707
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he is what he is?

708
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: Like, what are there changes that are gonna come from him?

709
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: And this is this is kind of that you know,

710
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 2: cat and mouse situation because you're saying, well, if he's

711
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 2: going to be who he is, then then I need

712
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 2: someone that's going to be able to help elevate him

713
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: to a different level schematically, right. And and if if

714
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: you're saying that that's what's going to be, then the

715
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: mic didn't do that this year, not in the postseason

716
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: and the regular season. He's played the regular season, he's

717
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 2: had the best year and he's had in his career.

718
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: But we're talking about the postseason. We said that in

719
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 2: August that at least I did. We're I don't care

720
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: about regular season. What are you gonna do when you

721
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: get in the pull up? Because many of us we thought, well, you.

722
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: Thought super Bowl.

723
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: I thought I thought that, you know, this thing is

724
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: when we get that when we when we had to

725
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 2: face the Niners. But then you go, when you you

726
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: you you have this letdown against a team that's the

727
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: youngest football team in with the experience, with the least

728
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: amount of playoff experience. That's and and so and and

729
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: what green Bay gives you, green Bay gives you almost

730
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: almost not exactly, but what Green Bay gives you is

731
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: almost an outlook on what it could be. Because I

732
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: know that Jordan Loves set for three years, and that's

733
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 2: that's an anomaly in today's football. But what Green Bay

734
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: gave you as an opportunity to say, and if we

735
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 2: give all, if we if we just bring all these

736
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: young guys in, because all their guys were either first

737
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: rookies or second year guys, right, Trey Lance, Trey Lan,

738
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: excuse me, Jordan Love's first year as a starter, and

739
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 2: so they took their lumps earlier on the season, and

740
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: they would say, figuring it out, those young kids was

741
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,359
Speaker 2: figuring it out. We're gonna just keep figuring it out.

742
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: It ain't pretty, it ain't it ain't cute, but we're

743
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 2: gonna just keep figuring it out. And the and and

744
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 2: I know you know, Nate, the more reps and anything

745
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 2: that you do, the more rep that you do, the

746
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 2: better that you get, the more comfortable that you get,

747
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: and eventually you know, you're beginning to pick up on

748
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: it and things begin to work like a well oiled machine.

749
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: So Green Bay kind of gave you a glat at

750
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: what it would look like now. I don't know. When

751
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 2: you hear Jerry Jones say I don't have a long

752
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: time for I don't have a long time for a

753
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: bad time. What he said, I don't I don't have

754
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: much time for a bad time. Whatever saying that he says,

755
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 2: is he willing to go through those lumpy years where

756
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to not you know, in Green Bay

757
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: and somebody say, you know about Tampa, Like Tampa was

758
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: in a division where somebody had to come out of it.

759
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: Somebody had to come out of that division. They just

760
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: so happened to do it, and they and they took

761
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: on a team that's imploding in the Philadelphia Eagle. So

762
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: but but but the Cowboys can say, well if we

763
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: just blow it up and start fresh again, And I

764
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 2: don't think that's where and that's and that's where it

765
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 2: comes into place where and that sometimes is where that

766
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: that that that ability to say that your general manager

767
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 2: is your owner, right, because the timing and that are

768
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: both the same. Because if it was a different general manager,

769
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 2: you go, I got all the time in the world.

770
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna be around, But Jerry goes, I don't

771
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 2: have I don't have time for a rebuild. I don't

772
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 2: have time for a rebuild. And I think that's why

773
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 2: the Dak will get the extension. I do think that.

774
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 2: I think he will get the extension. I think Dak

775
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: is a good player. I think that's a really good

776
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: player in this league. I watched I watch football weekend

777
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: and week out, and I see what teams who do

778
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 2: not have quarterbacks look like. And it's tough. It's a

779
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 2: lot of football teams out there.

780
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 4: Maybe that's something we can talk about next time we meet.

781
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,879
Speaker 4: Is like just the you got Dak, you got Mike

782
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 4: in there? Is it a culture? Can you still change?

783
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 4: Does there need to be a culture? Can change?

784
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 11: Is?

785
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: Can you change that culture so you can help Dak

786
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 4: that kind of thing. Does that makes sense?

787
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah?

788
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: And here's why it's going to be difficult, because like

789
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: your owner and general manager are one your head coach

790
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: and your offensive coordinator one, that culture lies within him.

791
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: And if and if you get to a point where

792
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 2: you're saying, Mike, we're gonna bring in a we're gonna

793
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 2: get you're gonna be the walk around head coach and

794
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: we're gonna bring in one of these other young guys

795
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 2: and allow him to restructure to kind of the office,

796
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 2: then get rid of Mike. Just get rid of just

797
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: get rid of him, just just get rid of him.

798
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,359
Speaker 3: As a whole.

799
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: Right Like, And that's the that's the that's the thing

800
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: that lies in between that that head coach, offensive coordinator,

801
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: head coach and defensive coordinator title. Right, That's that's what

802
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 2: happened in New England. Right, Bill Belichick was so much

803
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: of everything that there was nothing to separate him from that.

804
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 2: There was nothing else to bring in that culture change

805
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: because he was the GM, the head coach, the defensive

806
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 2: pseudo defensive coordinator, so everything was tied to him. And

807
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: to separate him from that mean you had to bring

808
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: somebody else in here, which wouldn't work. So you in

809
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: order to change the culture, you have to do a

810
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: complete overhaul of everything in there.

811
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 4: Thank you, It makes sense.

812
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: That's what makes it very difficult. So the Cowboys in

813
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: a there a very unique situation. And what makes it

814
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: very difficult is that they're never going to be bad

815
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 2: enough to find themselves with the opportunity to draft in

816
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 2: the top five where your franchise level quarterbacks are. And

817
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,399
Speaker 2: the Cowboys for the last twenty years have skated by

818
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: on the draw, the luck of the draw. You had

819
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: your franchise quarterback for ten plus years, and Tony Romo's

820
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: an undrafted free agent, and your franchise quarterback for the

821
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: presumably future, which is already eight years finished. He'll get

822
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 2: some more years, which would be another ten plus years,

823
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: was a fourth round pick. And that's what you've hitch

824
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: your wagon to for the last two decades. And I

825
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: think this is what it is going forward until you're

826
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 2: able to do a complete culture change.

827
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 5: This. People just understand, I mean, great stuff, jessh great stuff. Kurt,

828
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: just understand. Dak is here because he's saying it's playing

829
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 5: is what kept him here in the playoffs. This regular

830
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 5: season player, it has been phenomenal. Playoffs's very shaky. But

831
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 5: the only thing you can hit your wagonto is like

832
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 5: just saying, real nicely, is if y'all want coach McCarthy gone.

833
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 5: This whole thing fing to be shaken up. Now a

834
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 5: coach can tell you doing an interview like yeah, I

835
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 5: love everything coach McCarthy on, and we're gonna take what

836
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 5: he does best and we're gonna keep it.

837
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 3: That ain't that right? There is the biggest lied unheard.

838
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 5: Because now you're actually the coach to come in and

839
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 5: take second fiddle for two or three years, not be himself,

840
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 5: not do the things that he feels his best to

841
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 5: advance his team that you gave him. So if coach

842
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 5: McCarthy leave, I think Dan should leave. Dan probably already

843
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 5: in a better position than coach McCarthy is because he's

844
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 5: got people dating him, you know, trying to give him

845
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 5: a first promise rang or something. But wow, that means

846
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 5: your assistant is gonna be shaking up, you know. Does

847
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 5: Al Harris want to stay? Does Joe Wick j you

848
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 5: want to stay? You know, if you change your head coaches,

849
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 5: A lot of this is predicated on if McCarthy stays,

850
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 5: not with Dan quinn, but these assistants.

851
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: And I also say this, and I know that sometimes

852
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 2: coaching and will have to get out of it, but sometimes coaching.

853
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: You'll say, you know, hey, coach, you know you have

854
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: to fit the players that we have into your system.

855
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 2: But you have guys on this roster that when you

856
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: change the culture. Yes, whoever else that you bring in here,

857
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: you may have sold this guy for this, but the

858
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 2: new guy may. I'll give you example, a guy like

859
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 2: Yanye Thomas, who a lot of people are saying, Man,

860
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 2: I can't wait for next year to see Yanye Thomas

861
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: coming here and have his opportunity. Well, look, Yanye Thomas

862
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: is a part of Dan Quinn's playing. It's a part

863
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 2: of Dan's Quinn development. If a kid like Yanye Thomas

864
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: is hearing this roster next year and a new defensive

865
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: coordinator comes in and there's no Al Harris and there's

866
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 2: no Jewett Jr. There's no other coaches and there's no

867
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: you know, dirt and whoever the coaches are.

868
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 5: Yan Ye's looked that differently, and Bill Bell.

869
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 2: Like all of these guys have now looked at differently. Right, Yes,

870
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: David Quinn had a vision and it was building it

871
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: to a certain type of crescendo. When new guy comes in,

872
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: he goes, in fact, you're too tall for what I

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Speaker 2: like Dan wasn't tall with long He goes, I like

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Speaker 2: mine short and quick.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: So those guys offensively the same thing. The guy that

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Speaker 2: you're trying to build up. Mike McCarthy sees a vision

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Speaker 2: and the guys that he's brought in and saying, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna do X, Y and these with these guys. When

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00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: the new guys come in, he look at that guy

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Speaker 2: and go, I don't see what they saw on you.

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Speaker 2: You're not my guy. I was over here, I was

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Speaker 2: over there, and so we'll do this. So all right, man, uh,

884
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 2: that's our show for today, and that's our show next week.

885
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Speaker 2: We will be back here next Wednesday. We're back to

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Speaker 2: you know, the boss Man Upstairs. We're in the off

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Speaker 2: season schedule, the boss Man stand Upstairs, and we're not

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Speaker 2: finishing out this week.

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Speaker 3: We'll be back to doing yeah wow.

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Speaker 2: Going back to doing one show per week. So we

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Speaker 2: will be the hanging with the boys. Put it in

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Speaker 2: your put it in your your your your calendar, your memory,

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Speaker 2: put it in your notifications. Hanging with the boys, Wednesdays,

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Speaker 2: ten am. Wednesdays, ten am. Hanging with the boys. All right,

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Speaker 2: good to see you, fellas having a moho. All of

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Speaker 2: us get you.

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Speaker 3: You ran out on us, man.

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Speaker 2: Come on, come on, come on in all of us.

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Speaker 7: Man.

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Speaker 3: Man, this dude always try he always tried to be

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Speaker 3: a part. Come on in, man. Yeah, we up out

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Speaker 3: of here. Man.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys for joining us. Man, this is hanging

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Speaker 2: with the boys were out.

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