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Speaker 1: which is another big issue. Jim, Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: Good to be back with you. Thank you for the invite.

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Speaker 1: Well, here's what our listeners are tired of hearing from Sacramento,

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Speaker 2: That is all these unimpeded flow nonsense that we hear.

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Speaker 2: Consider it this way. We've got these bathtubs all across

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Speaker 1: All right, Jim got to go keep fighting the good fight.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you talking to us. Thank you, Yeah, Jim Patterson,

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Speaker 1: the story now of the Riverside County Sheriff's Deputy Isaiah Cordero,

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Speaker 2: Sure, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, elaborate on that quote. I mean you were

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Speaker 2: Yes, typically after a trial, if the defeniment's found guilty,

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Speaker 2: You saw that in the Harvey Weinstein case, we stayed

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Speaker 2: I don't know all the circumstance, it says, and the

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the basics of getting out on bond.

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Speaker 1: The idea is the risk to public safety? Is it not?

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's one of the considerations, But those factors are

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Speaker 2: So because I wasn't in the courtroom, I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was Judge Kara Hudson at a San

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Speaker 2: Guilty, right. He waved his right to jury for some reason,

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Speaker 2: So you have all these dynamics that unless you're in

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Speaker 2: I believe that was her cals, but technically he should

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Speaker 2: That's what a judicial officer does following a conviction of guilty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as you mentioned, he was found guilty of falsely

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Speaker 1: But it seems like, and you implied it, the victim

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Speaker 2: I don't know exactly. I think whenever, there must have

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Speaker 1: When then he has to be picked up again because

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Speaker 1: But I mean, honestly, he already failed the system. He

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Speaker 1: I mean that's hard to believe too.

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Speaker 2: Yet as a defense fllor, obviously I don't want to

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Speaker 2: have my clients free on bailed to fight their cases.

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Speaker 2: But as just an objective observer, a member of the public,

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Speaker 2: a former prosecutor, it makes me feel like the left

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Speaker 2: hands or they know what the right hand was doing.

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Speaker 2: Both the police and perhaps the other judge just didn't

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Speaker 2: have all the information in front of them, and that

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Speaker 2: does happen. It does happen because the system has a

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Speaker 2: lot of cases Sam and Adino. I believe this is

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Speaker 2: either Sam and me or Riverside. They have a huge

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Speaker 2: number of files, and so oftentimes I'll go to court

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Speaker 2: from my own clients and like we had a court

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Speaker 2: day today. We went to court, nothing was filed, client

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Speaker 2: had been ordered to be there. The district Attorney has

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Speaker 2: not yet received the paperwork from the police. So it's

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Speaker 2: not unusual that the prosecutor doesn't make a timing decision

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Speaker 2: because the police don't submit the paperwork timely. Here, I

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Speaker 2: guess the drug labor syts hadn't been received, the drugs

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Speaker 2: hadn't been tested on his new case, and so that's

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Speaker 2: not a typical. What is atypical is that, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, the judge may not have all the information,

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Speaker 2: and then the DA doesn't have all the information, could

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Speaker 2: be a different prosecutor, and so you do have these

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Speaker 2: failures in the system. It's not uncommon, but it's uncommon.

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Speaker 2: It's unusual here because he is already ten and sensing

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Speaker 2: that's what's going So how is he still out? That's unusual.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dmitri, thanks for talking to you. I appreciate it, sure,

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Speaker 1: sure every time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. Have a good afternoon, you too.

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Speaker 1: Former La County Prosecutor Dimitri Goren also has acted as

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Speaker 1: a defense attorney, and he is shocked to that a

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Speaker 1: man that was convicted by the judge of a third

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Speaker 1: strike was given bond, was out on bail, and then

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Speaker 1: when he absconde that he was picked up again and

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Speaker 1: given bail, perhaps by a different judge, but that put

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Speaker 1: him on the streets to kill a Riverside County Sheriff's

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Speaker 1: deputy by the name of Isaiah Cordero. The criminal cases

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Speaker 1: that we talked about were in San Bernardino County, and

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Speaker 1: we have a call out to the DA there or anybody.

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Speaker 1: They'll come on the air. The only thing they've said

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Speaker 1: publicly and a story in the Elsegundo Times, is that

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Speaker 1: there is no legislation that state said a post convicted

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Speaker 1: three strikes fellon out on bond, cannot post bond on

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Speaker 1: a subsequent offense, sort of explaining the fact that he

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Speaker 1: got bail a second time, but what the problem was

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Speaker 1: after a verdict of a three strikes conviction, the risk

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Speaker 1: to the public safety. He should not have gotten the

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Speaker 1: first bail from Judge Hudson. More coming up on the

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Speaker 1: Johnny Ken Show Kim six forty after a three o'clock

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Speaker 1: Alex Stone is following for us the Brian Coohberger story.

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Speaker 1: He made a court appearance today and of course he's

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Speaker 1: accused of killing the four college students who attended the

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Speaker 1: University of Idaho, stabbed to death in their rooms in

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Speaker 1: a very rowdy party house. And we'll tell us what happened,

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Speaker 1: particularly he showed up with cuts on his face, suspicious cuts.

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Speaker 1: All of this coming up, and we'll tell you what

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Speaker 1: would be the future for Coberger in court right after

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Speaker 1: the news at three o'clock. Well, this story, Debora Mark,

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Speaker 1: could be a warning for you. Yeah, what is it?

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Speaker 1: Because I know you favored these things, right, you love

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Speaker 1: your manicures and petticures and such. I do, well, watch out,

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Speaker 1: here comes cancer. Here's the story from Fox eleven reporter

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Speaker 1: Christina Pacucci.

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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving twenty twenty one. Mother of three Grace Garcia had

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Speaker 3: no idea a last minute manicure was about to change

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Speaker 3: her life. This wasn't your normal nail salon.

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Speaker 4: It was a new salon. I just did not want

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Speaker 4: to go to my original place because they were booked.

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Speaker 4: And the technician as she worked on my nails, she

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Speaker 4: was very aggressive with my cuticle and I did notice

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Speaker 4: at the end that the cuticle was raw and it just.

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Speaker 1: Hurt a lot.

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Speaker 3: Her right ring finger would not fully heal.

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Speaker 4: It just looked like a blister.

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Speaker 3: Within three months, you knew something was seriously wrong.

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Speaker 4: It erupted and I thought it was a wart. Said

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Speaker 4: is this what is this thing that's happened to my finger?

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Speaker 3: Her doctor sent her to a dermatologist to biopsied her finger.

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Speaker 4: On my way to the car from seeing him, they

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Speaker 4: called me, so that scared me, and he said, we're

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Speaker 4: going to have to have you come back.

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Speaker 3: Garcia then went to UCLA Health to see specialist doctor Solimani,

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Speaker 3: who she says may have saved her life.

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Speaker 4: But I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it something

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Speaker 4: so simple as a manicure could have killed me.

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Speaker 5: She had a squamos cell carcinoma. Hers was caused by

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Speaker 5: a higher risk HPV.

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Speaker 3: So how does this happen?

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Speaker 5: In her case? She had a manicure done where she

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Speaker 5: had an injury, and presumably so there were some contaminated

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Speaker 5: tools or some sort of entry of this virus and

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Speaker 5: the virus triggers this cancer to develop.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people think HPV is sexually transmitted.

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Speaker 5: It can be and is sexually transmitted, but much like

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Speaker 5: any other viruses that need contact, anywhere where it can

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Speaker 5: get into and under the skin is where it will replicates.

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Speaker 3: It's not clear exactly how many of these nail cancers

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Speaker 3: are caused by HPV, but doctor Solmani says he's seen

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Speaker 3: an increasing number of cases nationwide. According to the Skin

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Speaker 3: Cancer Foundation. In American Academy of Dermatology, up to eighty

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Speaker 3: five percent of squam is cell carcinomas that the fingers

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Speaker 3: or nails are due to high risk HPV, an estimated

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Speaker 3: eighty thousand cases ACRO worldwide. Doctor Solimani says he's only

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Speaker 3: seen a handful caused by manicures.

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Speaker 1: Rarely do we.

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Speaker 5: See high risk squam cell carcinomas arising from this, but

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Speaker 5: I have had about a half a dozen patients with

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Speaker 5: this phenomenon.

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Speaker 3: At Grace's final post operation check cause.

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Speaker 1: The finger better than ever. Oh my god, that's it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: She had a very good outcome.

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Speaker 3: Doctor Solimani has this advice.

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Speaker 5: Make sure you know the saloon you're going to, and

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Speaker 5: I recommend taking your own equipment if you can. Because

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Speaker 5: of how frequently we're seeing higher risk HPV, I would

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Speaker 5: recommend everybody who's of age to get the vaccine.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: No happy ending though the remarks she's okay, now, are

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Speaker 1: you gonna take your own tools? To your mind?

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Speaker 6: I have done that before in the past. I can

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Speaker 6: remember I got the fungus on my fingernails.

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Speaker 1: That's why I thought of you, and I saw the

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Speaker 1: story that you had some weird things.

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Speaker 6: With your fingered and I still have a little bit,

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Speaker 6: it's not.

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Speaker 1: I think that was from the tools used or from Oh.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I don't know. It could have been. I

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Speaker 6: had gels, so I have to be honest. So it

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Speaker 6: wasn't just a regular manicure. I had the gels, which

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Speaker 6: is the gel nail polished that.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's what you thought. It could have

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Speaker 1: been the problem.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, but but I don't know. But yes, I

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Speaker 6: have to say many times in the past before I

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Speaker 6: was doing gels, I did bring my own equipment, and

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Speaker 6: I'm going to be doing the same thing. I'm still

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Speaker 6: getting pedicures, and I keep forgetting to bring my own stuff.

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Speaker 6: But now after hearing this, hell yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's rare. But when you go

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Speaker 1: to these places where they share the tools, you know

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Speaker 1: everybody else who's been in there. If they don't clean

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Speaker 1: them properly they're supposed to be, it could.

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Speaker 6: Be something paralyzed.

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Speaker 1: What do they use on your nails? What kind of

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Speaker 1: tools are they?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Little? They pick the well, they use.

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Speaker 6: A nail file and a cuticle. Uh, what's it called?

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Speaker 6: I have COVID brain here when they or something. Yes,

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Speaker 6: they're they're stainless steel products.

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Speaker 1: Right, they're trying to get the clippers clean them up

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Speaker 1: exactly now. But if they don't, because sometimes even at

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Speaker 1: the you know, the hair salon, I look and see

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Speaker 1: that the combs and the scissors they use on me,

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Speaker 1: and like they have this vat where they put them

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Speaker 1: into supposed to disinfect them. But there was one time

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Speaker 1: I went and and and there was this smell I

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Speaker 1: think it was coming from the comb and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: are you sure you clean that? Or I don't want

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Speaker 1: somebody's lice on my head or whatever smell that is.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so you know, this woman said it could

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Speaker 1: have killed her. It's a rare case, but it's something

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Speaker 1: to think about for all you people that have to

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Speaker 1: have your little nails done and you're and I guess

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Speaker 1: the pedicure too, could be a problem.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's the same thing. Absolutely, they use the

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Speaker 6: same tools.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to add another scare to your list

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Speaker 1: of things to be concerned about that keeps you up

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Speaker 1: at night. Coming up next, there was a court appearance

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Speaker 1: in Idaho today for the man who's accused of killing

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Speaker 1: the four college students. This weird O'Brian Coburger will tell

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Speaker 1: you how it went down. With Alex Stone, ABC News

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Speaker 1: for KFI. Also coming up this hour, Palmdale fights back.

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Speaker 1: The Palmdale City Council is concerned that Los Angeles is

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Speaker 1: going to send their homeless their way to the desert,

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Speaker 1: and you'll see what they did. Johnny Ken KFI AM

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Speaker 1: six forty Live Everywhere, the iHeartRadio app deb remark with

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Speaker 1: the News Now