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Speaker 1: Welcome back to She Pivots. I'm Vanessa Hudgens.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to She Pivots, the podcast where we talk with

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Speaker 2: women who dared to pivot out of one career and

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Speaker 2: into something new and explore how their personal lives impacted

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Speaker 2: these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. Some news.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited to announce that She Pivots is now

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Speaker 2: part of the iHeart Family. This isn't going to mean

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Speaker 2: much for you as the listeners. Same producers, same host,

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Speaker 2: same team, just bigger family. We're kicking off our first

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Speaker 2: iHeart episode with none other than Vanessa Hudgens. When the

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Speaker 2: email came through that she wanted to be on the show,

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Speaker 2: my producers and I could not have been more excited.

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Speaker 2: Now we all know Vanessa Hudgens as an actress, performer,

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Speaker 2: and singer, but she's pivoted into a new venture, or

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Speaker 2: several new ventures in fact, as a business owner. I

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Speaker 2: had the chance to interview Vanessa to talk about each

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Speaker 2: of these and then talk about her mindset going into

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Speaker 2: this new phase of life. It was so fun to

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Speaker 2: hear that she, like so many founders, attends trade shows

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Speaker 2: and works the room to get people to stock her product.

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Speaker 2: She is hustling just like the rest of us. Her

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Speaker 2: interview is truly delightful. It was fascinating to hear about

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Speaker 2: how she views the different phases and changes in her career,

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Speaker 2: especially considering that it started when she was just ten

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Speaker 2: years old. So stay tuned as we hear about everything

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Speaker 2: from her relationships to performing on Broadway to going into

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Speaker 2: business with friends. Enjoy.

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Speaker 3: My name is Vanessa Hudgens, and I I am an actress,

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Speaker 3: a producer, singer, entrepreneur, business owner.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to back up a little bit, So

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Speaker 2: what did you want to be when you thought about, like,

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Speaker 2: who am I going to be when I grow up?

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Speaker 1: Like when you were little.

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Speaker 3: When I was little, I was either going to be

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Speaker 3: a pediatrician or an actor. Okay, those were my two

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Speaker 3: things that I gravitated towards. I started musical theater when

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Speaker 3: I was like six years old, so that happened a

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Speaker 1: Than the pediatrician root would have taken me.

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Speaker 3: And then as I've gotten older, I realized that I

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Speaker 3: would have not done well because I can't do blood.

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Speaker 2: So you were performing locally in shows and really doing

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Speaker 3: I was very, very shy, and my parents saw that,

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Speaker 3: like I loved singing and dancing, so they put me

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Speaker 1: Don't want anyone to look at me.

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Speaker 3: But through acting, I like felt that behind hiding behind

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Speaker 3: And then I had a friend who was like, I

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Speaker 1: Would you want to go? And I said.

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Speaker 3: Sure, my parents drove me and I ended up booking it.

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Speaker 3: So then I ended up signing with her agent. And

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Speaker 3: I feel like we moved the first time for me

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Speaker 3: just to be closer Telle, because we were driving up

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Speaker 2: That's a big decision to move your whole family. Did

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Speaker 2: you feel pressuring like they were moving it for your

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Speaker 3: No, because I had no concepts, you know, like I

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Speaker 1: Like, Okay, that's great, I get to keep doing it.

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Speaker 3: As a kid, you have no idea, you just know

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Speaker 1: No, But at the same time, it was just something

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Speaker 1: It was literally just like, Oh, I get to show

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Speaker 3: It probably was after high school musical that I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well talk me through that.

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Speaker 2: When you went into high school musical, did you have

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Speaker 2: a sense about how big it would end up being no, of.

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Speaker 1: Course, not again. Just a kid happened a good time.

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Speaker 4: We're back.

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Speaker 5: Us High School Musical two only on Good Morning America

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Speaker 5: this morning.

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Speaker 1: Plus we're going to meet the cast of High School

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Speaker 1: Musical two and get to see them perform live. That's

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Speaker 1: all next on gm AN. I'm not ashamed to admit

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Speaker 1: looking forward, I had a crush, I had a new

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Speaker 3: I was like working on a movie with a director

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Speaker 1: Like I was just like, this is the dream I'm living,

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Speaker 3: Like that was just it Like it still would have

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The first one we did when I was fifteen, the

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Speaker 3: like that whole three years, it was really just that

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Speaker 3: and the whole world was looking and it was wild,

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Speaker 3: but like we had each other to lean on so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And did you really lean on one another in

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, for sure. Like I mean, Zach was my boyfriend,

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Speaker 3: Ashley was my best friend. We all lived within like

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Speaker 1: Zach is endurable and we all just have so much fun.

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Speaker 1: I me and this sad each other for like a year.

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Speaker 1: Now we work together, Like she is so great. I

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Speaker 1: hang out. We just had a glass were as London

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Speaker 2: Obviously, a high school musical was quite a departure from

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Speaker 2: like the big film you had been before that in thirteen,

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Speaker 1: The opposite ends of the spectrum.

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Speaker 2: So did you think, Okay, I should lean into this

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Speaker 3: That was where I always had envisioned my career going.

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Speaker 3: I always wanted to be the indie girl. I wanted

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Speaker 3: and make you really question life.

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Speaker 1: That was always the goal.

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Speaker 3: High school musical came around, and I was like, well,

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Speaker 3: I love musicals still do really, and so like that

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Speaker 1: Train, it's cowens like that'll be it.

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Speaker 3: I always think that like the most interesting actors, other

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Speaker 1: But that was them.

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Speaker 3: I remember, like Charlie's a monster, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: Was like, yes, just yes, yes, yes, yes, yes that

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I had to like definitely distance myself from

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Speaker 2: Though Disney fame can be alluring, Vanessa knew that she

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Speaker 3: It was like, Ooh, I don't want to be trapped here,

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Speaker 1: That's not what I want because I already did that.

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Speaker 3: And I think that is just so important to constantly,

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Speaker 2: Like you're a talented theater actor, but it's eight shows

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Speaker 1: Like it's a weird nostalgic thing for me.

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Speaker 3: And I just feel really really safe on the stage

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Speaker 2: Some singer Vanessa Hudgons first dance and saying her way

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Speaker 2: into our Hearts and the much loved High School Musical Trilogy.

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Speaker 2: And the music hasn't stopped for her now because now

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Speaker 4: Stage in the musical revival Jiji. That's right, Vanessa stars

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Speaker 4: is the title character in the Room.

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Speaker 2: I had to comedy about a young girl coming of

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Speaker 4: It's good to see.

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Speaker 3: It was a lot of work, very draining, but like,

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Speaker 3: you get that every single night. You know, it's like

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Speaker 3: Don't get me wrong, I was tired. I mean I

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Speaker 3: feel like I fell in love with theater because of

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Speaker 3: Natalie Wood Westside Story was like the first musical I

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Speaker 3: many amazing musicals.

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Speaker 2: You ended up doing like kind of a mix when

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Speaker 2: you did the Grease Live and the Rent Live. Like

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Speaker 2: but we are in limited time. That you went on

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Speaker 2: in Grease Live right after you had a tragic loss

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Speaker 3: I've learned recently that I am OCD. I love control,

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Speaker 3: So I think it was around twenty nineteen and that happened,

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Speaker 1: It's called Caliwater.

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Speaker 5: Products Expost twenty twenty two in Anaheim, California.

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Speaker 4: I'm here with Vanessa Hudgens.

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Speaker 1: Of course, thank you for being here today.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of a lot of like building personal relationships,

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Speaker 3: I would say a find a good team that you trust,

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Speaker 3: Another thing, honestly, is like separating your finances, your personal

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Speaker 1: And also like do the work, Like.

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Speaker 1: So like, don't skimp on the work. Do it all.

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Speaker 2: What is something in your life that at the time

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Speaker 3: I feel like so much of my character was built

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like my last breakup has really

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Speaker 1: Pushed me to the right person, which I'm so grateful for.

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Speaker 3: Because he's just the most supportive, real understanding human being

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Speaker 2: Well, I also love that you answered with a personal

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Speaker 2: don't like if we're trying, if we're thinking about how

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Speaker 2: the personal and the professional.

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Speaker 1: And they really go hand in hand.

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Speaker 2: Like being in public relationships over the years, it feels

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Speaker 2: like how have you dealt with that? And also you

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Speaker 2: know there might be like power dynamic imbalances or balances

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Speaker 2: in relationships, like your relationships have been so public.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I feel like I literally just had

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Speaker 3: a run in with the public taking control over their

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Speaker 3: opinion of me in a.

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Speaker 1: Way that was disrespectful.

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Speaker 3: I went on my bachelorette and I posted a video

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Speaker 3: of me and there are all these comments that are like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, you're pregnant, and I was like, that

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Speaker 3: is so rude.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: I don't wear spanks every day and like, am a

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Speaker 3: real woman and have a real body.

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Speaker 7: Vanessa Hudgens fans convinced she's pregnant off the spot and

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Speaker 7: clues at Aspen Potty. The high school musical star shared

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Speaker 7: a video on Instagram showing off her bachelorette party, but

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Speaker 7: fans thought they spotted signs of pregnancy.

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Speaker 3: I was like, I'm literally like celebrating one of the

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Speaker 3: happiest times in my life, and you guys are just

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Speaker 3: going to make me like feel fat.

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Speaker 1: That's that's great things.

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Speaker 3: But I'm like, you know, I think that it's a

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Speaker 3: good place for me to remind other women of like

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Speaker 3: the Four Agreements, you know, the Forour Agreements. No, actually,

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Speaker 3: it's by Don Miguel Louise. It's a fantastic book. It

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Speaker 3: honestly changed my perspective when I was probably nineteen years

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Speaker 3: old and really opened up my eyes to like the

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Speaker 3: connectivity of like the universe and like simple rules for

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Speaker 3: being a good person, and one of them is don't

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Speaker 3: make assumptions, and like, yes that in all aspects of life,

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Speaker 3: but especially over other women's bodies. You know, like we

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Speaker 3: deal with so much with other people trying to control

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Speaker 3: our bodies, not let's not make assumption over other women's

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Speaker 3: bodies as well. So you know, the things that I

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Speaker 3: do have to face, while they're not the most pleasant,

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Speaker 3: and maybe don't make me feel the greatest about myself.

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Speaker 3: I can then take that and share the message and

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Speaker 3: hopefully remind others to, you know, fee a little more mindful.

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Speaker 3: Nothing weng and being pregnant obviously like I can't wait

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Speaker 3: for the day, but like, don't make.

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Speaker 1: Assumptions over women's bodies. Totally. Well, thank you so much, Vanessa.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you on. Thank you so much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Vanessa is still continuing to grow her businesses, which include

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Speaker 2: Calie Water Known Beauty, and her latest venture, Thomas Ashbourne

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Speaker 2: Kraft Spirits. She lives with her adorable dog and new husband,

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Speaker 2: Cole Tucker in La.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to follow.

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Speaker 2: Vanessa on Instagram at Vanessa Hudgens for all her latest

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Speaker 2: updates and just generally fun amazing content. Thanks for listening.

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