Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we never sold all our
Speaker 1: jamis Winston Stock. I'm Greg Rosenthal in my garage talking
Speaker 1: to my friend Nick Shook from Ohio. We're talking some
Speaker 1: screaming needs for every AFC team today. Nick, welcome back.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here. I'm in an apartment. I
Speaker 2: do have some sound proofing foam on the wall, but
Speaker 2: I don't trust it much, so I'm not going to
Speaker 2: actually scream for screaming needs IDs.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can scream. I speak very loudly. We're right
Speaker 1: behind like a restaurant employee parking lot. They can definitely
Speaker 1: hear me when I'm doing a show because, yeah, my
Speaker 1: wife Emica, she says often she can hear me on
Speaker 1: the total other side of the house and it's loud.
Speaker 1: I guess I don't know what it is. You hit
Speaker 1: record and you just start yelling. But yes, these are
Speaker 1: It's screaming Needs Day. So two of the shows this week,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do one with you. I'm going to
Speaker 1: do one with Patrick Claybond. Later in the week we'll
Speaker 1: do the NF See. We're gonna kind of go through
Speaker 1: all the teams a little bit of a reset after
Speaker 1: everything that happened in free agency and look ahead to
Speaker 1: the draft what all the needs will be. And first
Speaker 1: we're going to do just a little bit of news. Now.
Speaker 1: We have not addressed the Aaron Rodgers visit to the
Speaker 1: Steelers on the show. Patrick and I talk draft on
Speaker 1: the show that we put up on Monday, And it
Speaker 1: was interesting, this report comes out Rogers is visiting. No
Speaker 1: one really had it except for a local guy, Jerry Dulach,
Speaker 1: who probably just heard it that day from someone literally
Speaker 1: in the building that's like, hey, Aaron Rodgers is here,
Speaker 1: because no one knew about it ahead of time, none
Speaker 1: of the insiders, nothing, And that to me is interesting
Speaker 1: on its own that they were trying to keep it
Speaker 1: so quiet. It's come out since that Rogers stayed for
Speaker 1: six hours pft. At least thought that this thing might
Speaker 1: be headed to a conclusion, but then you know, it
Speaker 1: didn't happen. They made an offer and he's just sitting
Speaker 1: on that offer and we wait. But I do think
Speaker 1: the fact that he was there and that Jamis Winston
Speaker 1: is now a member of the Giants, which we'll talk
Speaker 1: about in a second, certainly leads you to believe that
Speaker 1: the Steelers are very likely to have Aaron Rodgers as
Speaker 1: their quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would imagine that they're back and forth, you know,
Speaker 2: producing a meeting of such length, and there's really no
Speaker 2: interest with other teams that this feels like this is
Speaker 2: his destination. Frankly, I'm tired of it already. Just because
Speaker 2: Rogers does this, he makes us all a wait. But
Speaker 2: it does make me think, Greg, what was the longest
Speaker 2: job interview you ever had in your professional life?
Speaker 1: Oh? Wow, the longest job in terms?
Speaker 2: I have one.
Speaker 1: Okay, give me a yours. Well, well, I think on it,
Speaker 1: but I'll listen to your story because I know it's
Speaker 1: going to be dynamite.
Speaker 2: In college, I interned at the Acron Beacon Journal as
Speaker 2: a copy editor for two and a half years. I
Speaker 2: went back there in between NFL stints to get a
Speaker 2: full time copy editing job. My interview there was seven
Speaker 2: and a half hours with people, wow, for nearly three years.
Speaker 2: But I got the job, So we take that, Rogers.
Speaker 2: I was there even longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's insane, now that I think of it.
Speaker 1: I'd never had long interview processes. Processes. I did that thing.
Speaker 1: Remember when you were in high school and they had.
Speaker 1: It was like a scam that you would sell knives
Speaker 1: or whatever, like for kids that are high school college
Speaker 1: you would like go door to door for cutco selling knives.
Speaker 1: I remember I went to one of those and that
Speaker 1: was a solid hour long interview and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: then we'd love to have you come back for interview too,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, no, this is bad, bad vibes.
Speaker 1: That is too much the NFL interview process. I definitely
Speaker 1: had to meet a handful of people, including at the
Speaker 1: scouting combine, But I don't know. I guess I've gotten
Speaker 1: off pretty clean in terms of my job interviews. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's a long time. It just almost seems like,
Speaker 1: come on, Aaron Rodgers. I know you will disrespect some
Speaker 1: parts of the establishment. Would you really meet with Mike
Speaker 1: freaking Tomlin for six hours and not go to the
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steels. I have a hard time believing that would happen.
Speaker 1: So there is an idea of maybe it's just leverage
Speaker 1: to get everything he wants in the contract. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: waiting till after the draft to make sure they don't
Speaker 1: take a first run back. Whatever it is, we don't
Speaker 1: need to go on about it. Too long, because at
Speaker 1: some point he will sign and then we can analyze it.
Speaker 1: Then the fact that Jamis Winston signed with the Giants
Speaker 1: on the very same day this happened to me, it
Speaker 1: was not a coincidence though. Two years, eight million dollars
Speaker 1: and to me, that's the Giants saying, we know that
Speaker 1: Rogers prefers the Steelers. Let's stop waiting for Rogers. Let's
Speaker 1: get one quarterback in place because we don't have any,
Speaker 1: and let's get who we see as the ideal quarterback
Speaker 1: to just still have all our options open. Two years,
Speaker 1: eight million dollars, they have put it out there that
Speaker 1: they're still looking at Russell Wilson. They could still sign
Speaker 1: another veteran in theory, they could still sign Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: but it's more likely Jameis Winston and Russ or Jamis
Speaker 1: Winston and who I believe is more likely Shader Sanders
Speaker 1: or even cam Ward if they traded up to number one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we now close the circle on our good
Speaker 2: buddy Matt Harmon of Yahoo, who tweeted way back in
Speaker 2: week seventeen when Malik Neighbors was torching the Colts with
Speaker 2: Drew Locke that they were winning just enough to fall
Speaker 2: out of draft position and convince the Giants to sign
Speaker 2: Jameis Winston so that he'd hummel him with two hundred
Speaker 2: targets and he'd go toward a huge season in a
Speaker 2: second year. And now it's a possible reality. Congrats Matt
Speaker 2: on having the fur side of that.
Speaker 1: It's true this draft could easily be Giants one Patriots two,
Speaker 1: which I obviously would prefer. It could be Patriots one
Speaker 1: in Giants four, which they'd be even in a tougher spot.
Speaker 1: But those two late season wins won by the Giants
Speaker 1: and one by the Patriots really changed the equation of
Speaker 1: everything that's happening. And you know, I say half the top.
Speaker 1: I never gave up on my Winston stock. He has
Speaker 1: fallen into his right zone. He's not making a lot
Speaker 1: of money, I think for what he can do, which
Speaker 1: is win a handful of games for you, solid backup
Speaker 1: and an agreeable presence. To me, that's worth a lot.
Speaker 1: Like that's only worth a one third as much as
Speaker 1: d bj Hill, I don't know. I think it's worth
Speaker 1: more than that. Bj Hill, if you don't know, is
Speaker 1: a rotational defensive tackle for the Cincinnati Bengals who plays
Speaker 1: like five hundred snaps. Like to me, some backup quarterbacks
Speaker 1: are are underrated, and it'll be interesting. If he was
Speaker 1: the Week one starter, he would be the first black
Speaker 1: quarterback to ever start Week one for the Giants. They've
Speaker 1: only had I believe three starts ever. Gino Smith made
Speaker 1: one and then he was banished and they had to
Speaker 1: promise Eli Manning another year and a half, and they
Speaker 1: fired McAdoo because that happened. And then Tyrod got a
Speaker 1: couple starts and got to win.
Speaker 2: So we'll see you pay the interceptions and the pick
Speaker 2: six's tax. I think Jamis is in this deal and
Speaker 2: hopefully the Lord will deliver him from pick sixes in
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: There you go. What a weird but ridiculous and kind
Speaker 1: of fun combination Russ and Jamis Winston would be. But
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be very good. I think
Speaker 1: they got to go cam Ward. Let's talk about the
Speaker 1: fact that cam Ward is having his pro day at
Speaker 1: Miami as we're taping this. We don't have like big
Speaker 1: reviews on it, and cam you know, Protey's always go
Speaker 1: pretty well. The noteworthy part of it to me is
Speaker 1: that the Titans had dinner with him the night before,
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the pole position of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: who has the highest pick, Who's getting dinner with the
Speaker 1: presumptive number one overall pick the night before, it's the
Speaker 1: team with the number one overall pick. It's the Titans.
Speaker 1: And Yeah, the longer this goes on, I just think
Speaker 1: he's going number one overall and we'll have to see
Speaker 1: if the Titans want to do it. I think they
Speaker 1: are going to want to do it in the end. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And is he going to order a Tomahawks steak and
Speaker 2: really just you know, establish his dominance as the franchise
Speaker 2: quarterback of the future for them or not, you know?
Speaker 2: Or is he going to go something lighter? You know,
Speaker 2: I show he's more measured, experienced, veteran guy. Yeah, they're
Speaker 2: they're in the catbird seat for their pick of quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: and it feels sure like they're going to take him.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And he's someone that all the meetings at the combine,
Speaker 1: everyone loves cam Ward. He is a veteran. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's played a lot of football at the collegiate level,
Speaker 1: knows how to run a team, do the whole process.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be him in the end.
Speaker 1: By the way, Xavier Ristreppo, who is a mid round receiver,
Speaker 1: had a ton of production with him at Miami, reportedly
Speaker 1: ran between four to seven mid four sevens and four
Speaker 1: to eight, which is a really unfortunate time for a
Speaker 1: smaller receiver. So maybe he'll try to run again at
Speaker 1: some point. It's too bad because he was productive. He'll
Speaker 1: still get a job in the league, but he might
Speaker 1: not got drafted as early as he was hoping. Just
Speaker 1: before we roll through a couple of nuggets and get
Speaker 1: to all the needs where you want to talk about,
Speaker 1: I just want to mention one contract thing that came up.
Speaker 1: Like the reports are one thing with these contracts when
Speaker 1: they first come out, but then when you get to
Speaker 1: peak under the hood, they often are one thing that's
Speaker 1: a little bit different. And I noticed T Higgins's contract
Speaker 1: Pro Football Talk is the one that had this was
Speaker 1: very surprising, very year to year. He's going to get
Speaker 1: thirty five million dollars in the first year, plus a
Speaker 1: roster bonus into next year. But in theory, if it
Speaker 1: went really poorly, they could really get out after one year.
Speaker 1: It would be two for two years for fifty nine
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars and that's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna say T Higgins like did the
Speaker 1: Bengals a great favor, but it's very much a year
Speaker 1: to year deal one, two, three, and four, and T
Speaker 1: Higgins could have done a lot better on the open market.
Speaker 1: I actually do think Tea, Joe Burrow, and Jamar Chase
Speaker 1: decided they really wanted to play together, and I think
Speaker 1: the other two guys helped bring in Tea. He kind
Speaker 1: of gave them a little bit of a hometown discount,
Speaker 1: and I don't fault him for not getting every last dollar,
Speaker 1: but it's interesting. It is kind of a team friendly
Speaker 1: deal for the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, and I think it sets up for
Speaker 2: to protect the franchise, which a lot of clubs don't
Speaker 2: necessarily do this with these big times of types of deals.
Speaker 2: Which is that hey, like, if we're awful defensively and
Speaker 2: we clearly need to dedicate some resources to the defense
Speaker 2: and we have to make a sacrifice, we can make
Speaker 2: a sacrifice and get out of this deal after year one.
Speaker 2: Obviously that's not what you hope happens, but they're planning
Speaker 2: for the worst case scenario in the event that they
Speaker 2: realize this is too much money dedicated to three offensive guys.
Speaker 2: So good on them. But yeah, you're right, and what
Speaker 2: do we do? In January? Every team in the NFL
Speaker 2: pretty much was like, we have a shot at T Higgins. No,
Speaker 2: you don't, because he's going to take this type of deal.
Speaker 1: It's true, man, I would have been really curious to
Speaker 1: see what he got, but he would have gotten more
Speaker 1: ultimately and guaranteed money. The DK Metcalf deal, by the way,
Speaker 1: is a two year deal. It's very simple. It's two
Speaker 1: What is it for thirty five? I believe now and
Speaker 1: now I'm forgetting, But it's essentially a locked in two
Speaker 1: year contract, and then after that it's year to year,
Speaker 1: which makes a lot of sense. I think it's basically
Speaker 1: two for sixty for DK Metcalf and they're not going
Speaker 1: to have any pain if they want to get out
Speaker 1: of it after two years. There's a couple of little nuggets.
Speaker 1: You can comment if any of these strike your fancy,
Speaker 1: and then we'll move on to the segment. Brandon Cooks
Speaker 1: is back with the Saints. I think he's more of
Speaker 1: a third or fourth receiver at this point of his career.
Speaker 1: But where he started it all back with the Saints
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen. I ironically the same year Derek Carr
Speaker 1: was drafted, so those guys were draft in the same
Speaker 1: draft class. Dylan Raidin's, by the way, an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: signs there too from the Titans. He was disappointment a
Speaker 1: high draft pick for the Titans. Trent Brown is with
Speaker 1: the Texans as they continue to just collect random offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Avonte Maddox, who's coming off that Super Bowl win, is
Speaker 1: going to the Lions. They've had some nice cheap signings.
Speaker 1: I think Charles Amena, who who is pretty high up
Speaker 1: in the sixties I believe in my top one O one,
Speaker 1: is back with the Chiefs on a deal that can
Speaker 1: max out at seven million dollars. So that was good
Speaker 1: for them to get a key guy for them back.
Speaker 1: Tyler Conklin, who had a lot of production at tight
Speaker 1: end for the Jets the last few years, is going
Speaker 1: to the Charters, and the Titans signed Joey sli What
Speaker 1: catches your fancy there.
Speaker 2: I love the addition to Conkland to that tight end
Speaker 2: room with the Chargers. That was you know, as we
Speaker 2: were going through these needs and I was prepping for this,
Speaker 2: So I was thinking tight end and I saw, you
Speaker 2: know that he was on that depth chart, and I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that's good. That's a nice little balance for that offense,
Speaker 2: especially an offense that has needed guys to catch the
Speaker 2: ball outside of Ladd mcconky. But think Cook's complete the
Speaker 2: career circle there, you know, I'll go back to the
Speaker 2: place where it all started. He was only there for
Speaker 2: a couple of years before they moved on fromhim. He's
Speaker 2: the guy who gets traded throughout his entire career. This
Speaker 2: is the first time he signed a free agent deal
Speaker 2: in his career and he's already been in the league
Speaker 2: for more than ten years, which is crazy to consider,
Speaker 2: but he's always had value on the trade market. Now
Speaker 2: he gets to go back to where he began, to
Speaker 2: a team that has learned the value of receiver depth
Speaker 2: by dealing with injuries over the last few years. So
Speaker 2: it's a nice little pickup for them. Don't expect a
Speaker 2: lot of production from him. He's a guy who with
Speaker 2: the Cowboys last couple of years, he'd catch a touchdown
Speaker 2: pass random and be like, oh, yeah, he is still
Speaker 2: this receiving yeam, So I just probably know more looks there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, I don't think he has the juice anymore.
Speaker 1: I'd love to be proven wrong because he's been a
Speaker 1: fun player to watch over the years, although he pops
Speaker 1: up sometimes. I always remember his Super Bowl performance for
Speaker 1: the Patriots, where man, he just got to make a
Speaker 1: man miss in the red zone in the low red
Speaker 1: zone and might have a touchdown there, and who knows.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to our segment. So how I presented
Speaker 1: it to you, Shook our screaming needs for AFC teams
Speaker 1: after the free agency period, entering true draft prep. We're
Speaker 1: now only a month away from the draft. What are
Speaker 1: the biggest needs for these teams? Because anything that's happening
Speaker 1: in free agency now is just kind of picking at
Speaker 1: the back of the roster. So we're gonna go back
Speaker 1: and forth. We'll start in the AFC East. We're going
Speaker 1: to put a clock on this to just make sure
Speaker 1: we get it nice and tidy, and we'll go two
Speaker 1: minutes max. If we don't need two minutes, won't, we
Speaker 1: won't use it all. But let's put Shook on the clock.
Speaker 1: He can start out with the New York Jets.
Speaker 2: All right, So you look at this group. I actually
Speaker 2: love this roster and what they've done in the off season.
Speaker 2: A lot of low level signs where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Even the current quarterback situation with Justin Fields and Tyron
Speaker 2: on that team, I like it. But where they need
Speaker 2: some depth is it linebacker. They went and got Jamie
Speaker 2: Davis in an acquisition, and I'm like, Okay, low risk,
Speaker 2: potentially high production. Didn't pan out, you know with Washington,
Speaker 2: and I've always loved him coming out of college. But
Speaker 2: they need depth. If you look at their depth chart
Speaker 2: as that stands right now, Zira Barnes is listed there.
Speaker 2: He played thirty two special team snaps last season. That's
Speaker 2: not enough for a guy who maybe in your starting lineup.
Speaker 2: Go add a linebacker, maybe add to fill out the roster.
Speaker 2: I know it's not a position a priority like it
Speaker 2: used to be because all these teams run sub packages, but
Speaker 2: I need at least one more quality back.
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah, And they are a team I think with
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn that are gonna lean if you look at
Speaker 1: what they did in Detroit on the linebacker position more
Speaker 1: than most because look, they spent a lot of money
Speaker 1: to bring back Jamie and Sherwood, and you have Quincy
Speaker 1: Williams still there, so you have two guys. It is interesting,
Speaker 1: like now, the third linebacker is a luxury. But I
Speaker 1: think for a team like the Lions, you're absolutely right that.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the Jets, they'll want more. I think
Speaker 1: they still need an edge. You know, they have some
Speaker 1: talent there. They have what Will McDonald and they never
Speaker 1: really got you know, Jermaine Johnson is a solid player,
Speaker 1: but so they have like a real pass rusher there.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Will donald is a number one passwretcher.
Speaker 1: So to me that that's where I would look.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I agree there too. They could use
Speaker 2: some help in that front seven in general, and but
Speaker 2: I do like what they look like, you know, starting
Speaker 2: eleven on both sides of the ball for the most part.
Speaker 1: It's not bad. I think if they drafted Membu at
Speaker 1: number seven overall, you could slide them right into right tackle.
Speaker 1: That's that's certainly an open spot. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you put Max Mitchell there receiver could use some help.
Speaker 1: But overall, I agree they're a team that, like their
Speaker 1: lineup looks better than most. Let's go to another one
Speaker 1: kind of like that, let's let's put me on the
Speaker 1: clock for the Bills. No huge needs, Eric, no huge
Speaker 1: needs for this team. Like, to me, this is one
Speaker 1: of the best rosters in the NFL now. I think
Speaker 1: what they need is guys with higher ceilings. It is
Speaker 1: a roster full of pretty good players other than Josh Allen, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just a roster full of like b pluses one
Speaker 1: to one to twenty two. If you're looking at the
Speaker 1: starting lineup, probably the number one thing I would look
Speaker 1: at is probably in the secondary. Dan Jackson, who who
Speaker 1: you brought back like he's a cornerback, probably your third cornerback,
Speaker 1: your safety. You drafted Cole Bishop there last year, you
Speaker 1: brought back Damar Hamlin. But I think they're in the
Speaker 1: perfect spot shook where they really should be best player available,
Speaker 1: and to me they should be. Specifically, can we take
Speaker 1: some swings, Can we stop trying to just get like
Speaker 1: singles and doubles and I don't know, go for a
Speaker 1: home run because there's almost no position they couldn't use
Speaker 1: a little talent infusion. But then again, they almost have
Speaker 1: no needs that are big except for maybe the secondary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's kind of why I tried to pair
Speaker 2: them with the best free agent fits remaining available. With
Speaker 2: a cornerback, I said, send Rasoulo Douglas back there. But
Speaker 2: then I looked at his performance last year and I
Speaker 2: think it was below what they expected. But they traded
Speaker 2: away Kyer Elams, so they have some needs in the secondary.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that big swing is theirs. It's
Speaker 2: not a cornerback class that's very strong in the draft.
Speaker 2: There's really not that much talent out there available, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if even like a Stefan Gilmour or
Speaker 2: somebody like that would really be all that interested in
Speaker 2: going there, you know, somebody of that caliber. So again,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna sound like a day with the Jets. I
Speaker 2: need some more depth of linebacker again, because if you
Speaker 2: lose Terrell Bernard, you're looking pretty thin right there without him,
Speaker 2: and we know what that looks like in the past.
Speaker 2: So I'm all about depth at this point in the cycle,
Speaker 2: and I think they could use it there, but I
Speaker 2: think it's secondary as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, never tempt Sean McDermott for taking another linebacker or
Speaker 1: taking another guy in the secondary. It's kind of what
Speaker 1: he does under the radar. Matt Milano took a huge
Speaker 1: pay cut to come back, which is kind of shocking
Speaker 1: to me. They were ready to cut Matt Malan. When
Speaker 1: a guy takes a pay cut like that, the team
Speaker 1: is ready to cut him. Which, Oh, I like that horn.
Speaker 1: That's aggressive. All right, you're up next. Who do you got?
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins. Again, we're gonna like I said, at this
Speaker 2: point in the in the process, I'm looking at depth,
Speaker 2: and with them it's on the defensive front. I'm not
Speaker 2: worried about edge rusher as much as some other people
Speaker 2: might be, even though you know you dealt with an
Speaker 2: injury to Jalen Phillips in each of the last two years,
Speaker 2: because you got Chop Robinson last year. If you look
Speaker 2: at the depth of their depth chart, though, they lack
Speaker 2: bodies there. So you're gonna need some guys in the
Speaker 2: front four. But again, I am really gonna dig down
Speaker 2: along that and say, look, Zach Steelers, good Philips, you
Speaker 2: should be back healthy hopefully, and you had Robinson, Like
Speaker 2: I said, you also have Brad the Chubb who's dealt
Speaker 2: with his own injuries. But you lack name brand power
Speaker 2: up front. I need somebody else up there. Most importantly,
Speaker 2: they just need to stay healthy, which is true for
Speaker 2: every team. But I think about this, the way this
Speaker 2: team is constructed. That defense did not live up to
Speaker 2: what we thought they would be last year. So add
Speaker 2: some quality bodies there. You can find some in the draft,
Speaker 2: especially on the defensive interior, but you need more.
Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. I wrote that down too, that they
Speaker 1: have Seiler and we're not talking the edge positions, but
Speaker 1: they're a team that likes to play two three big
Speaker 1: guys up front. And it's like it's Benito Jones and
Speaker 1: they don't really have one and then the other one
Speaker 1: I would throw in there. And this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a theme. Every team needs cornerbacks. It's just every team
Speaker 1: needs offensive linemen, and certainly the Dolphins could could use more,
Speaker 1: although they are kind of prepared at least to start
Speaker 1: the group that they have right now, but they could
Speaker 1: use some interior guys. But every team needs a cornerback,
Speaker 1: Like every team has two cornerbacks, but not three. And
Speaker 1: I guess the Dolphins feel good about Jalen Ramsey, they
Speaker 1: feel good about cater Ko, who has a nickelback, but
Speaker 1: they don't really have a third. So you know every
Speaker 1: team they were.
Speaker 2: They were very high on Storm Duck in the preseason
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, ap storm Knuck is there.
Speaker 2: They're really good at pulling guys that you don't know
Speaker 2: about and turning them into productive players. But it's about
Speaker 2: the total picture, and I totally agree with you. I
Speaker 2: think they lack another guy over there.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to the Patriots. Put two minutes
Speaker 1: on the clock. They're the opposite of the Bills. So
Speaker 1: I say the Bills can go anywhere because they don't
Speaker 1: really need like anything, and the Patriots can go anywhere
Speaker 1: because they really need everything, even cornerback, where there's a
Speaker 1: good idea from our friend Daniel Jeremiah that if Travis
Speaker 1: Hunter went there, he'd play receiver because receiver might be
Speaker 1: their app So the biggest need, and you have these
Speaker 1: two great cornerbacks. Now that's true, but if you look
Speaker 1: at their depth chart, you know how many cornerbacks? They
Speaker 1: have two great ones, and then Marcus Jones's number three,
Speaker 1: who's like barely bigger than me, and they don't have
Speaker 1: anyone else that can probably play at the NFL level,
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, you still need more cornerbacks. Than that.
Speaker 1: You need more. They need a left tackle, they need
Speaker 1: a center. They signed Garrett Bradbury. That is not a solution,
Speaker 1: a guy that Minnesota was excited to get rid of.
Speaker 1: Maybe he starts this year, maybe he doesn't. He could
Speaker 1: play guard too. They need a tight end. Like they
Speaker 1: could take anything, and you'll say, okay, they have Hunter
Speaker 1: Henry and Austin Hooper, like that's not a long term plan.
Speaker 1: So what don't the Patriots need. They kind of need everything.
Speaker 1: But left tackle is the one that screams out. Because
Speaker 1: Morgan moses to sign in free agency. You figure he's
Speaker 1: on the right side, but who knows. You could even
Speaker 1: ask him to play left tackle and switch it around
Speaker 1: if you took Membu. Who knows if you need him to.
Speaker 2: But he also hasn't been able to stay very healthy
Speaker 2: over the last few years. He's a veteran guy. Collect
Speaker 2: off lineman, please do because you need to protect Drake may.
Speaker 2: I very much agree with that. And you know, when
Speaker 2: I did the fits last week, Cam Robinson was still
Speaker 2: out there, I'm like, go to the Patriots please. He
Speaker 2: signs with the Texans, so that options off the board.
Speaker 2: I think that they could definitely use you know they've
Speaker 2: done a good job because they were starting with the
Speaker 2: bottom of the barrel. They've done a good job of
Speaker 2: filling out that eleven on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 2: But another team that really lacks depth, that could become
Speaker 2: a really big problem very quickly for them if they
Speaker 2: don't get through the early portion of the season largely healthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, interior offensive line because you look at who's there
Speaker 1: and yeah, you have Michael and when you like in theory,
Speaker 1: one of your best players has a huge contract. He
Speaker 1: was bad last year. He got dragged down with everyone else.
Speaker 1: Cole strange like he was coming off a massive injury.
Speaker 1: He's a mystery. Let's go too the AFC North. You
Speaker 1: can kick us off with your Cleveland Brownies.
Speaker 2: Well, the obvious one is quarterback. I just did an
Speaker 2: appearance on their show earlier today and we talked about
Speaker 2: quarterback at length, and who knows how they're going to
Speaker 2: solve that. I think multiple pieces are necessary. I think
Speaker 2: you should still explore cousin Kyler suck.
Speaker 1: Bro right away quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna ride a wave that everybody likes to
Speaker 2: ride because those waves end up being Jake Locker. Okay,
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, I also think you need running back.
Speaker 2: This is a running back room that has zero identity
Speaker 2: right now. Nick Chubb is not who he used to be.
Speaker 2: He's a free agent right now. They want to bring
Speaker 2: him back. The Browns fans want him back. I don't
Speaker 2: know if the Browns do. And he's not an answer.
Speaker 2: You got Jerome Ford. You were throwing in Pierre Strong
Speaker 2: in the last two years, who was just a vertical
Speaker 2: runner at best. You need somebody like that, and this
Speaker 2: is the class to do it in. So go draft
Speaker 2: a running back, draft a quarterback. You can draft in
Speaker 2: a number of areas, but those two have to be
Speaker 2: part of your offense, especially if you're gonna go back
Speaker 2: to the Kevin Stefanski identity of building out of the run.
Speaker 1: Do you think Andrew Berry is overrated? Properly rated? Not
Speaker 1: get enough heat? Because when I looked at this roster,
Speaker 1: man minute, they've been there for five years now, Like
Speaker 1: I know, the Watson excuses is you know, you can
Speaker 1: blame that on ownership, but the rest of the rosters
Speaker 1: it's not great.
Speaker 2: I mean especially it's like a just a boat out there,
Speaker 2: just kind of floating, like they've never they found a
Speaker 2: direction briefly, and then they decided to change course and
Speaker 2: then that went to just hell in a handbasket. Now
Speaker 2: you're just like, I don't know what to do. This
Speaker 2: is just a team that's just existing out there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it depends on what he's rated. What is
Speaker 2: he rated, because I would say that he's probably rated.
Speaker 2: He's probably should below what he's raided right now. It
Speaker 2: depends on who you ask.
Speaker 1: I feel like he's under the radar and maybe he
Speaker 1: doesn't get a lot of heat. I don't know, because
Speaker 1: if it's the analytics, what is it. But he should
Speaker 1: be rated as poorly as as any GM just about
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: What it is is it's a fan base that has
Speaker 2: seen so much turnover over the years that they just
Speaker 2: like the stability. They know that they can count on
Speaker 2: Defan and Ferry at least now. But if they win
Speaker 2: three games again next year, though, neither of those guys
Speaker 2: are going to be there anyway.
Speaker 1: They're left tackle is Dwan Jones right now, they're number
Speaker 1: one receivers Jerry Judy, and they don't really have a two.
Speaker 1: They need some interior lineup. It's a lot, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Do that drafting receivers. I'll say that he's very bad
Speaker 2: in drafting receivers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've taken a ton. Elijah Moore is still a
Speaker 1: free agent. Ravens put them on the clock. I just
Speaker 1: think I kept this one simple. They just need interior
Speaker 1: offensive line play. They've been okay at developing these random guys,
Speaker 1: but right now it's Filele the huge guard that played
Speaker 1: all of last year that I don't know if you
Speaker 1: can keep doing that. Ben Cleveland, they brought back Andrew Wore.
Speaker 1: He's like, they need offensive line help. I think this
Speaker 1: could become a problem for them. Lamar Jackson and Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry make them look better than I think they really are.
Speaker 2: And so it's Tyler Linderbaum the center. He's kind of
Speaker 2: yet propping up the rest of the interior offensive line
Speaker 2: right now. I'll give them credit. They have figured out
Speaker 2: tackle after kind of you know, wandering out there for
Speaker 2: a little bit, getting that Ronnie Stanley to come back
Speaker 2: on the deal that he did, and Rosengarten the draft pick.
Speaker 2: He was also very solid for them. But you know,
Speaker 2: it's been the same story for them every off season
Speaker 2: from my perspective, and it's just you need cornerback depth.
Speaker 2: Like two years ago, they got absolutely ravaged by injury
Speaker 2: and they just threw a bunch of guys at it.
Speaker 2: Then they let a bunch of guys walk or they
Speaker 2: cut them in the off season. When I look at
Speaker 2: them on paper again and I'm like, yeah, Okay, Marlon Umfrey, cool,
Speaker 2: Jalen Armor Davis, all right, Nate Wiggins was a good
Speaker 2: pick up. Who else?
Speaker 1: Maybe?
Speaker 2: Who like?
Speaker 1: Maybe Nate Wiggins is a great example. There is something
Speaker 1: about me that just like likes watching NFL tape better
Speaker 1: than college tape. It's just it's just a fact. So
Speaker 1: when I'm starting to watch these cornerbacks and stuff, part
Speaker 1: of me thinks, like, wouldn't my time be better spent
Speaker 1: watching Nate Wiggins's rookie year and just like seeing how
Speaker 1: that went, because I'm not really sure is that a
Speaker 1: good pick? Like he was up and down. I would
Speaker 1: like to see how it went on a deeper level.
Speaker 1: Smaller guy was feisty, but I agree that would be
Speaker 1: their number two need would be cornerback.
Speaker 2: He was a splash play guy, and I agree. I
Speaker 2: was a little concerned about his lack of size coming
Speaker 2: out of college because he put down that great forty time.
Speaker 2: He got hurt early, came back. Yeah, I think the
Speaker 2: jury's out on him. But that's at least a guy
Speaker 2: that you can be excited about, as opposed to some
Speaker 2: of the other guys in that secondary.
Speaker 1: If you don't embarrass yourself as a rookie cornerback, that's
Speaker 1: a plus. It's kind of like being an NBA rookie.
Speaker 1: Just don't be terrible, and that's usually a great sign.
Speaker 1: And by the way, we hadn't mentioned on this show,
Speaker 1: Michael Pierce, they're great nose tackle for a long time.
Speaker 1: Retired this offseason, so that a lot.
Speaker 2: He got a pick in a game and he's like,
Speaker 2: I'm taking a knee and I'm leaving. I'm done.
Speaker 1: You're up next with the Bengals.
Speaker 2: All right, Cincinnati Bengals. We know you just spent a
Speaker 2: lot of money on your receivers. You've got a lot
Speaker 2: of money in your quarterback. You got Trey Henderson still
Speaker 2: out there searching for a deal, maybe coming back. But
Speaker 2: here's the thing. If you look at him and he's
Speaker 2: on the team, that's great. You got one. You need another.
Speaker 2: Miles Murphy, former first round pick, has not produced, has
Speaker 2: not lived up to the expectation at all. Frankly, it
Speaker 2: didn't really get a lot of opportunities stuck behind Sam Hubbards.
Speaker 2: So this is a proven year for him. And if
Speaker 2: you'll lose Trey Hendrickson in a trade, then you got
Speaker 2: two questions at the position. It's a defense that was
Speaker 2: much beligned early in the season that couldn't stop a nosebleed.
Speaker 2: They deserve the criticism. And now with all that money
Speaker 2: dedicated to the offensive side, you're going to be under
Speaker 2: a microscope from day one. So go add to your
Speaker 2: pass rush, take a little bit of pressure off of
Speaker 2: the secondary. It's the best way you can go about
Speaker 2: trying to make this into a more well rend team.
Speaker 2: And I think it starts on the defensive line and
Speaker 2: at edge rusher for them, So that's where they need
Speaker 2: to look.
Speaker 1: It's a great call. Miles Murphy, first round pick from
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, has not shown much. I
Speaker 1: think they would have hoped because Hubbard was playing so
Speaker 1: poorly last year. I think if Murphy couldn't get on
Speaker 1: the field, that wasn't a great sign. But you never know.
Speaker 1: Sometimes defensive linemen developed a little slower. They brought back
Speaker 1: Joseph Asai. The fact that they gave him a decent
Speaker 1: amount of money shows me they're gonna play him. But
Speaker 1: you're you're right many they need they need dudes up front,
Speaker 1: And that actually points out what I thought when I
Speaker 1: looked at the Bengals defense, I was like, wait, this defense,
Speaker 1: which everyone dogged, has all eleven starters coming back.
Speaker 2: That's not entirely encouraging.
Speaker 1: I mean, not Sam Hubbard. I guess it's not all
Speaker 1: eleven starters, but their entire starting lineup this year was
Speaker 1: on the team last year. Almost all of them were starting.
Speaker 1: There's a couple that are maybe getting elevated, like Jermaine
Speaker 1: Pratt still on this team. Logan Wilson, Like, it's all
Speaker 1: the same group. The secondary is the same too. Usually
Speaker 1: we're just to back with the Bengals team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you swung on DJ Turner a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago and that never panned out. Like, just because
Speaker 2: you have continuity doesn't mean necessarily that it's going to
Speaker 2: work out at all. Because you just changed defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: They really are blaming it all on sweet lou and
Speaker 1: or not nice. Let's go Pittsburgh Steelers. What's obviously quarterback,
Speaker 1: but it's also wide receiver if they trade George Pickens.
Speaker 1: DJ threw this out on forties in free Agents a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I believe I'm losing check of
Speaker 1: time that he doesn't think Pickens is going to be
Speaker 1: on this roster in the end, that he might get
Speaker 1: traded during the draft. And that's really stuck in my
Speaker 1: head because he's in the final year of his contract
Speaker 1: and if they trade Pickens, they need more help at receiver.
Speaker 1: But I also get why they would trade Pickens get
Speaker 1: another draft pick. He's not a long term and he's
Speaker 1: deplicative of DK Metcalf and so I would get if
Speaker 1: that happens. But it's really the skill positions to me,
Speaker 1: like every team they needed a cornerback, like an like
Speaker 1: a third cornerback, they could use another one, but they
Speaker 1: brought in variously. But it's the skill position. It's quarterback.
Speaker 1: It could be a total embarrassment if they don't get
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It might be an embarrassment if they do,
Speaker 1: and then it's wide receiver and running back Like I
Speaker 1: like Jalen Warren and Kenneth Gainwell, fine, but you would
Speaker 1: like one more guy there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea of trading Piggins now actually makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense because you're capitalizing on maximum value as
Speaker 2: it stands right now, because you could get to the
Speaker 2: end of the next season and he doesn't have nearly
Speaker 2: as much value any walks, right, But I am also
Speaker 2: looking at them from a right now standpoint, and right
Speaker 2: now like Roman Wilson, who I loved as a pick,
Speaker 2: did nothing last year, got hurt in camp and never
Speaker 2: really found his way onto the field. That would be
Speaker 2: a big boon for them if he could play. He's
Speaker 2: not the same type of guy, but it would be
Speaker 2: a big help for them that passing game. For me, though,
Speaker 2: if you don't know what your quarterback situation is, running
Speaker 2: back Najee Harris is gone. Jalen Warren's your number one.
Speaker 2: They signed Kenneth Gainwell, that's great, but like the days
Speaker 2: of Corderoo Patterson lining up in the backfield and taking
Speaker 2: handoffs have to be over. He's I hate to say it,
Speaker 2: but he's old. Let's get another option. This is the
Speaker 2: draft class to do it. So I'm looking again at
Speaker 2: the skill position, but I'm looking a little bit different.
Speaker 2: Running go running back.
Speaker 1: Pretty good roster. As I went through these teams, there
Speaker 1: were certain teams I thought a little higher of certain teams,
Speaker 1: I thought a little lower of I looked at the
Speaker 1: Steelers again, and I was like, man, if they did
Speaker 1: just have a quarterback, it's a pretty good roster. Actually,
Speaker 1: think their offensive line has some potential. All right, that's
Speaker 1: two divisions down. We have two divisions to go. These
Speaker 1: are screaming needs for the entire AFC. We will back
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Speaker 2: My little sister painted that when she was like twelve.
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Speaker 1: That is incredible. Yeah, Shook joined us at NFL dot com.
Speaker 1: I was probably two or three years deep at that point.
Speaker 1: I hired Shook. What was it twenty fourteen, twenty fifty fourteen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the question that always sticks with me is
Speaker 2: when can you start, Greg asked, and I said, as
Speaker 2: fast as I can drive across the country, and here
Speaker 2: we are doing it remotely from across the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you did. You did come though I missed
Speaker 1: the the La Shook era because Shook it was a
Speaker 1: younger Shook. He was mixing it up a little bit.
Speaker 1: How long was the interview? And what do you remember
Speaker 1: from our interview?
Speaker 2: It was Mike Coppinger asking me what do you know
Speaker 2: about the job? And I said, which job that I
Speaker 2: are we talking about? Because I applied for like seven
Speaker 2: And then it was a call with you. And then
Speaker 2: I think it was in the bag and I was
Speaker 2: packed up and driving.
Speaker 1: Well, what was it's a call? I'm asking do you
Speaker 1: remember that? What was the call? Like, I have a
Speaker 1: feeling I remember how it probably went?
Speaker 2: God, I don't. I honestly don't remember because I was
Speaker 2: just ecstatic about getting the job and ready to go.
Speaker 2: It's something all along long you were just like kind
Speaker 2: of covering the remaining bases. I don't know. It was
Speaker 2: pretty easy. It was pretty simple.
Speaker 1: Way my job interview style was always a vibe check.
Speaker 1: Keisha and I have talked about this before. I've talked
Speaker 1: to some other people I interviewed. I would very rarely
Speaker 1: ask meaningful questions. I would just kind of just be like,
Speaker 1: is this person like normal? Is this person calling? They
Speaker 1: are going to be able to hang out, Just ask
Speaker 1: like a few questions and try to get a little
Speaker 1: bit of a vibe check. But I would not take
Speaker 1: long because I felt awkward doing interviews. So generally I
Speaker 1: feel like they were probably max. Fifteen minutes on the phone.
Speaker 1: It was I didn't link. It was a rare time
Speaker 1: where I didn't talk too much. I only talked too
Speaker 1: much when we're talking talking ball. All right, let's get
Speaker 1: back to the sixteen teams we have left in the AFC.
Speaker 1: We're doing big needs for every team. And let's go
Speaker 1: to the AFC South, the forgotten division, and it should
Speaker 1: not be forgotten because the Houston Hexans put two minutes
Speaker 1: on the clock there. Eric Houston Texans are a sleeping giant,
Speaker 1: the team that everyone expected to make the leap last year,
Speaker 1: which still ended up having a good enough season in
Speaker 1: the scheme of things. Man, you look at the bones
Speaker 1: of this team and it's pretty it's pretty good. Like
Speaker 1: I think they could end up being the team everyone
Speaker 1: expected a year later. Now The offensive line is obviously
Speaker 1: where everyone is going to point to for screaming needs.
Speaker 1: Interior offensive line is their number one need. I keep
Speaker 1: saying that for teams right now. They have a couple
Speaker 1: picks that they've taken, Titus Howard, they have Juice Struggs,
Speaker 1: who was a second round pick a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and then it's hilarious who they've added on their offensive line.
Speaker 1: Just a bunch of guys, Cam Robinson, Lake and Tomlinson
Speaker 1: who is with the Seahawks last but has started like
Speaker 1: for six straight years, Cam Robinson who's always playing, Ed
Speaker 1: Ingram who is a disappointment at Garden Minnesota, and Trent
Speaker 1: Brown who's bounced around, was with the Bengals last is
Speaker 1: now they're at So it's just like a ton of
Speaker 1: guys that haven't played well recently and they're just hoping
Speaker 1: the coaching can fix it. And I guess that's their
Speaker 1: big need. And yet somehow I believe, because I really
Speaker 1: think the rest of the roster is quite good. Do
Speaker 1: you agree?
Speaker 2: I think, yeah. The cynic in me says, this is
Speaker 2: what we said last year. This is the team that
Speaker 2: was going to make the leaf and be so good
Speaker 2: and yet their offensive line undercut the entire operation. It
Speaker 2: just at the knees down, and they still want a
Speaker 2: playoff game. But they finished exactly where they did the
Speaker 2: year before, and it felt like a bit of a
Speaker 2: wasted season. But you change offensive coordinator, you change the
Speaker 2: way you approach the offense, and you get a little
Speaker 2: bit better on the offensive line, and suddenly they could
Speaker 2: get much closer to reaching their potential. So I agree,
Speaker 2: and I agree with the need as well. It's interior
Speaker 2: offensive line. You talk about collecting lineman, keep collecting. This
Speaker 2: is the draft to do it. And there's a ton
Speaker 2: of talent on the interior offensive line. Go get two.
Speaker 2: Why not give yourself a just a massive group of
Speaker 2: linemen and see who's best battle royale for every position.
Speaker 2: The the last man standing is the one who gets
Speaker 2: the starting job.
Speaker 1: The argument against why not, and it's not a great one,
Speaker 1: is that Cassario has been terrible drafting offensive lineman. Juice
Speaker 1: Strugs second round pick, Blake Fisher second round pick did
Speaker 1: not look good. They just traded a first round pick
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green. But I really think, and I know we're
Speaker 1: going over on the Texans. I don't care. Seth Payne.
Speaker 1: I keep mentioning both Jordan Rodrigue and I are seth heads,
Speaker 1: and you know he thought what happened last year with
Speaker 1: that offensive line was a fireable offense for everyone. So
Speaker 1: that them getting rid of Tunsil getting rid of the offense.
Speaker 1: Every one was that associated. That was so bad that
Speaker 1: I actually do believe with the right coaching and just
Speaker 1: some journeyman players, you could maybe improve to twentieth. That's
Speaker 1: how bad it was. I'm not worried about losing Laramie Tunzel.
Speaker 1: I think it's somehow made sense with the picks that
Speaker 1: they got back shook. You're up next, Go Colts.
Speaker 2: Let's go Colts, Indianapolis Colts. We obviously know the questions
Speaker 2: that exist at quarterback, but well, they had a defense
Speaker 2: last year that got its defensive coordinator fired. And yes,
Speaker 2: they were inconsistent on offense because of what they dealt
Speaker 2: with it quarterback. But if you can round out this
Speaker 2: team and keep games close, you can figure out whoever
Speaker 2: it is under center, and then you can go win
Speaker 2: games because you don't have to put up a ton
Speaker 2: of points. So we're going to go on the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball, and we're going to go for
Speaker 2: again sounded like a broken record at this point. Linebacker
Speaker 2: depth because if you look at this depth chart, they
Speaker 2: could use more at the position, and most importantly, beyond
Speaker 2: the fact that, yes, you have Zaia Franklin, but the
Speaker 2: just the names that are there do not excite me.
Speaker 2: Beyond them, I need better options there as well. But
Speaker 2: it really comes down to lou Anaarumo is the coordinator
Speaker 2: that I need him to pull out that magic wand
Speaker 2: that had everybody with a twinkle in their eye a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago about how he could get a
Speaker 2: head coaching job. I need him to go reclaim and
Speaker 2: save his reputation and turn this defense back into what
Speaker 2: it was a few years ago and make it a
Speaker 2: competitive unit.
Speaker 1: Shout out to our lads, who the best site for
Speaker 1: depth charts for officially going to just two linebackers for
Speaker 1: most of these teams. I'm not going to say I
Speaker 1: influenced that, but we have gone in that direction with
Speaker 1: the projected starter series over the last few years. So
Speaker 1: they're listing the five in the DB's room, and you're right,
Speaker 1: they have one linebacker right now. It's Zire Franklin. Unless
Speaker 1: they know something about last year's fifth round pick Jalen
Speaker 1: Carlos that I don't know Carlisles who knows they need
Speaker 1: a lot though I agree I wrote down linebacker. They
Speaker 1: could use another cornerback even though they brought in charvarious word.
Speaker 1: But a lot of people are projecting tight end to
Speaker 1: them in the first round. That would be an interesting
Speaker 1: way to get a weapon, and they are a team
Speaker 1: that likes tight ends, and I could see that. I
Speaker 1: could see them going tight end. I could see them
Speaker 1: going tackle, like right tackle. They're not really sure what
Speaker 1: they're getting with Braden Smith at this point. They could
Speaker 1: use a guard like they could use a lot. It's
Speaker 1: not a great roster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I think the offensive line is taking
Speaker 2: a few steps back over the last few years. Then
Speaker 2: they let a few guys leave in freegency as well,
Speaker 2: so that's definitely an area of concern where I think
Speaker 2: they could address it.
Speaker 1: So the Jaguars are up next, and I got into
Speaker 1: a very mild disagreement with one of my favorite local
Speaker 1: voices in the game, Mike Dempsey from Jacksonville. Believe he's
Speaker 1: with ten ten xcel and even before free and say,
Speaker 1: I was like, the Jaguars are so weird. Because I
Speaker 1: actually don't think they have many needs. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're a great team, but they just don't
Speaker 1: have like huge roster holes. They just they're kind of
Speaker 1: like the very poor Man's Bills, where the Bills are
Speaker 1: very good at a lot of positions but not great,
Speaker 1: and the Jaguars are very average at like every position,
Speaker 1: but they're not terrible at almost any So I almost
Speaker 1: thought like a third edge was the thing they needed
Speaker 1: the most because Trayvon Walker maybe isn't going to be
Speaker 1: there forever and they just don't have anyone there. They
Speaker 1: could use another outside cornerback. I really believe if you
Speaker 1: go through all these rosters except maybe Houston, like every team,
Speaker 1: I could say cornerback. But I the hot take is
Speaker 1: that the Jaguars are so vanilla. They don't have screaming needs.
Speaker 1: They're just they're just very They're just like very ordinary.
Speaker 1: They're better than their record was a year ago. They're
Speaker 1: much more eight and nine to me, and they're just
Speaker 1: very ordinary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually agree with that because I had the
Speaker 2: same struggles trying to figure it out other than doing
Speaker 2: the numbers at linebacker again, because they have four total
Speaker 2: linebackers on the roster, and even if you went with
Speaker 2: two positions, there's just not a lot of guys. I
Speaker 2: will say, I do like their top three with Follo Aluken,
Speaker 2: Devin Lloyd and Chad Muma. That's a better group than
Speaker 2: some other teams. But yeah, I agree, And even if
Speaker 2: you look at the receiving corps, you love Brian Thomas, Junior,
Speaker 2: Parker Washington randomly steps up in key spots. Sometimes they
Speaker 2: got they still have Gabe Davis, and they get Diami
Speaker 2: Brown the offseason they could use I wouldn't even necessarily
Speaker 2: say they need a receiver, but you're right, they're so
Speaker 2: vanilla they could take additions anywhere without having any screaming needs.
Speaker 2: You know what they need. They need their quarterback to
Speaker 2: play a full season and show a step forward in Trevor. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's what they need now.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing I was mentioning with the Bills that was, like, man,
Speaker 1: you need some real difference makers. The Jaguars need above
Speaker 1: average players, so I keep saying their average so they
Speaker 1: don't have needs, but that also means you have needs
Speaker 1: almost everywhere except your starting edges like defensive tackle could
Speaker 1: still be upgraded significantly. Wide receiver could too. Like running back,
Speaker 1: you're set there I think this season at least, but
Speaker 1: your tackles, like, there's almost nothing that you couldn't try
Speaker 1: to improve, So the board is open for you. James Gladstone,
Speaker 1: all right, let's finish up the AFC South with Titans.
Speaker 2: All right? They need a planet quarterback? Is it cam Moard?
Speaker 2: Is it Will Levis getting some sort of camp competition
Speaker 2: or at least being on the roster and intriguing enough
Speaker 2: people for them to remember that he exists. Like, you
Speaker 2: need a plan. I just need a plan under center.
Speaker 2: And if you're gonna draft cam Ward, don't throw them
Speaker 2: into a disaster scenario that you know, derails his career,
Speaker 2: because that would be the worst possible outcome for a
Speaker 2: club that needs stability at the position otherwise. You know,
Speaker 2: like we had some mocks early in the offseason where
Speaker 2: folks were like Abdul Carter could go there. I like
Speaker 2: their defensive front, I really do. I mean, Jeffy's Sims
Speaker 2: as a monster to Andandre Sweat's a stud. You could
Speaker 2: take some improvements and interior linebacker. They've had a lot
Speaker 2: of guys come in and out of there in recent years,
Speaker 2: but I'm not worried about the departure of Harold Landry.
Speaker 2: That's not a big deal for me. I just think
Speaker 2: that offense, they should have been a better team they
Speaker 2: were last year. They just self sabotaged so much offensively
Speaker 2: that they lost a lot of close games. If you
Speaker 2: improve that, then you're in a much better spot.
Speaker 1: And yet they're They're another team that, like I didn't
Speaker 1: feel better about them after going through this exercise. Any
Speaker 1: any team's gonna feel look better with cam Ward on
Speaker 1: the team. And he was doing his pro day as
Speaker 1: we're taping this, and there's some great videos of him
Speaker 1: throwing on the move and you could actually see Mike
Speaker 1: Bergonzi the Titans GM kind of reacting to some of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's too good to pass on, but they've
Speaker 1: fixed in their minds the offensive line in front of him.
Speaker 1: I think that's the way they would try to support him.
Speaker 1: But you also need some weapons, and they don't really
Speaker 1: have enough, so they need wide receivers to in their defenses.
Speaker 1: It's fine, you're hoping for a turnaround at cornerback with
Speaker 1: legit need, but they need off ball linebackers. That's another one.
Speaker 1: They need edges like they need a lot. It's not
Speaker 1: a great team, and.
Speaker 2: They're not a team that has made smart decisions at
Speaker 2: receiver to begin with. Like they went and got Ridley
Speaker 2: and he was like a non factor half for half
Speaker 2: the season. They trailing. Burke's is still on the roster
Speaker 2: and he's never gonna be what they thought he was.
Speaker 2: And then your third is Van Jefferson, Like it's not exciting.
Speaker 2: Nick Musburg Kakine, who I thought was my favorite receiver
Speaker 2: on that team last year is now somewhere else. So yeah,
Speaker 2: the weapons they need to improve that, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, it's like, yeah, I think they were with the
Speaker 1: Patriots as the two least talented teams in the NFL
Speaker 1: last year. But the difference is the Patriots have Drake May.
Speaker 1: So the Titans answer by getting near Drake May in
Speaker 1: cam Warden and hope for the best. We'll see. Let's
Speaker 1: start the AFC West. I will go with the Broncos.
Speaker 1: I would say other than the Raiders, all the AFC
Speaker 1: West looked better on paper to me than I expected,
Speaker 1: So the Broncos are included in that. I think they
Speaker 1: just need to juice up the offense wide receiver. After
Speaker 1: Courtland Sutton They have a a handful of guys that
Speaker 1: would make sense as role players on a playoff team,
Speaker 1: with Marvin Mims and vle who played last year and
Speaker 1: was pretty good as a rookie. But they don't have
Speaker 1: difference makers. So whether it's a tight end to go
Speaker 1: over the top of Evid Ingram that seems a little
Speaker 1: weird to me, or it's a wide receiver, or it's
Speaker 1: a running back, like they need weapons with bo Nicks,
Speaker 1: that's where I think they start.
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to get some Devon Vley
Speaker 2: slander in here, and I was going to be very upset.
Speaker 1: No, he'e good, But like, is he you're two moving forward?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He's a three. He's a concrete three at a pretty good three.
Speaker 2: The answer is running back, greg They had no running game.
Speaker 2: They had no running game last year. Javonte Williams was
Speaker 2: a non factor for them. Jalil McLaughlin ends up getting
Speaker 2: more of the looks than him anyway. Audre Estime is
Speaker 2: a classic throwback power back and he's somebody that you
Speaker 2: play on the goal line in short yard situations. But
Speaker 2: that's not the answer. This is the draft buss again,
Speaker 2: to go get running backs, and it kind of reminded
Speaker 2: me of the Buccaneers. Last year, they were like thirty
Speaker 2: second in the league in rushing yards per game. I
Speaker 2: think it was eighty nine point eight or something like that.
Speaker 2: Going to last year, they get Bucky Irving, a guy
Speaker 2: who flew under a lot of radars, not mine, but
Speaker 2: a lot of radars. He ends up having a great
Speaker 2: rookie season. I could see something similar happening with this team.
Speaker 2: And if you balance that out, Bonix becomes that much
Speaker 2: more effective on the rollout, and we already know he's
Speaker 2: really good out in space. So I think this could
Speaker 2: be the key that unlocks that offense and suddenly we're
Speaker 2: paying a lot more attention to them, even though we
Speaker 2: were last year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right tackle is a sneaky, other potential need. McGlinchey
Speaker 1: was better for them last year, but that's not a
Speaker 1: long term solution. Sean Payton loves to invest in offensive lines,
Speaker 1: and for the most part, they already have there and
Speaker 1: they're already good. But right tackle long term, but yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Think that's a streaming need, that's a whispering need.
Speaker 1: It's true, I kind of forgot the point of the segment.
Speaker 1: Just go with the screaming needs. I don't even think
Speaker 1: they love love Courtland Sun as a one, but that's
Speaker 1: just my own vibe. All Right, you're up next. Go
Speaker 1: let's go with the AFC champions, the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: All Right, they obvious. This one's probably the most obvious
Speaker 2: that we have out there. Well maybe not the most obvious,
Speaker 2: but one of them. They need better offensive line play,
Speaker 2: and they've had a lot of change in the offensive line,
Speaker 2: and frankly, I don't feel very good about all of them,
Speaker 2: or really any of them. Joe Toney's gone, Kingsleysuamataya is
Speaker 2: there and was not a good left tackle. They went
Speaker 2: and swung on Jalen Moore, who doesn't even have a
Speaker 2: large enough sample size as a starter to really be
Speaker 2: worth the money that he got, which you didn't get
Speaker 2: a ton, he got fifteen a year. I'm just very
Speaker 2: concerned about the left side of this line. There is
Speaker 2: only a certain amount of coaching that can be you know,
Speaker 2: an impact or you know, impressed upon an offensive line
Speaker 2: that breeds significant change, and I'm just not seeing it
Speaker 2: in this personnel right now. So that is their number
Speaker 2: one need. They need to shore up left tackle and
Speaker 2: the rest of that group and let them compete because
Speaker 2: we learned that lesson the hard way in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 2: and if they want to continue to be that team,
Speaker 2: they got to protect Patrick Mahomes better than they did.
Speaker 1: I think they tried. They just this is their plan enough.
Speaker 2: They had a guard playing tackle in the freaking Super.
Speaker 1: Bowl, I hear you. And now they're going to have
Speaker 1: last year's pick a tackle, Sue Mattea, probably playing left guard.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they'll dip into this interior line class without
Speaker 1: a question. I don't think they will just.
Speaker 2: Move so that. I agree they're going to do interior
Speaker 2: let half.
Speaker 1: They were a team that going through this again, I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, this is actually a pretty
Speaker 1: good roster. Of course it is, like, but it's not
Speaker 1: just Patrick Mahomes. I don't think they have a ton
Speaker 1: of screaming needs. Like I think they might want to
Speaker 1: look ahead at running back. Pacheco's getting to the end
Speaker 1: of his contract and wasn't great last year. I think
Speaker 1: they could use someone next to Chris Jones, you know,
Speaker 1: on the other side of Carl loftis so but these
Speaker 1: aren't screaming. They're just like kind of whispering, like they
Speaker 1: lost the safety and justin Reeds. It's a pretty good team.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of players who have played and won
Speaker 1: a lot of big time games. They actually have pretty
Speaker 1: good continuity. I think they're in fine shape. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to be panicking about the Chiefs.
Speaker 2: I'm just worried about their offensive line. But you know me.
Speaker 1: Left tack last week, I was panicking about them, But
Speaker 1: now I'm no longer panicking. All right. The Raiders were
Speaker 1: one of the teams in this exercise put two minutes
Speaker 1: on the clock. Oh, we got in right under the gun.
Speaker 1: They were one of the teams in this exercise that
Speaker 1: I feel worse about because you could make the argument
Speaker 1: that Gino plus Carol plus vibes equals a much improved team.
Speaker 1: And I would buy that argument in terms of they
Speaker 1: just they win seven or eight games just off the vibes.
Speaker 1: But they've actually gotten worse on defense this year. At linebacker,
Speaker 1: it's a land In Roberts and not much else. They
Speaker 1: lost some good players in the secondary. But I actually
Speaker 1: go to number my My screaming need is wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Your number one is Jacoby Myers on the last year
Speaker 1: of his contract, and your number two is Trey Tucker,
Speaker 1: and I know, I know brock Bauers is your number one.
Speaker 1: I don't care you still have no long term wide
Speaker 1: receivers on the roster. Myers was being mentioned in potential
Speaker 1: trade talks like that could that wouldn't even shock me
Speaker 1: if that happened during the draft. So wide receiver is
Speaker 1: my screaming need.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree that going back to free agency fits
Speaker 2: that I ran last week. I got lit up online
Speaker 2: for this a little bit, and I understand why. But
Speaker 2: what's the one thing you want to give Gino in
Speaker 2: a new place. You want to give him a veteran
Speaker 2: receiver he can trust to get open and run the
Speaker 2: routes and establish a quick rapport with and Keenan Allen's
Speaker 2: out there and May last year, in the second half
Speaker 2: of the season had some of the smallest pass catchers
Speaker 2: outside of brock Bauers that I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers and Keenan Allen would now be giving you
Speaker 2: two guys six two or taller. So let's go with that.
Speaker 2: I know Vegas isn't the place he wants to end
Speaker 2: his career, spend the twilight of his career, but at
Speaker 2: least he can go there knowing I'm going to go
Speaker 2: play for Pete Carroll and I'm going to go catch
Speaker 2: passes for Gino Smith, So it could be worse than
Speaker 2: what I'm faced with right now. I like that idea.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be Keenan Allen, but it's got
Speaker 2: to be talent receiver. And oh, by the way, have
Speaker 2: you looked at their running back room, because I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure Raheem Moster turned into a bit
Speaker 2: of a goal line merchant last year and that is
Speaker 2: not a bell cow back in that backfield.
Speaker 1: I hate that they need a running back going into
Speaker 1: the draft. It's a great draft for it, but they
Speaker 1: have to get a starter that's going to take up
Speaker 1: one of their picks. I wonder when you get grief
Speaker 1: online from people, do you ever just think to yourself, like,
Speaker 1: how big are these people?
Speaker 2: More they actually what I love about this show is
Speaker 2: win and I'm not a comment reader, but every once
Speaker 2: in a while I've caught one and then somebody immediately
Speaker 2: jumps to my defense is like, do you know how
Speaker 2: big this guy is? I'm like, all right, cool, I
Speaker 2: didn't have to say it.
Speaker 1: Let's wrap it up with our final team my hometown.
Speaker 1: This is my hometown now, I feel like it should
Speaker 1: be your hometown once you've lived there for like thirteen
Speaker 1: straight years.
Speaker 2: It's my second home two years.
Speaker 1: That could be another way to do it, Los Angeles Chargers,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I hate to say it and sound
Speaker 2: it again, but defensive line depth is a need. Morgan
Speaker 2: Fox is no longer there, Poona Ford is no longer there.
Speaker 2: We got some needs on that defensive front, folks. And
Speaker 2: if you're going to continue to be the gritty, tough,
Speaker 2: physical Chargers of the Jim Harbaugh era, you're going to
Speaker 2: need a little bit more upfront. Like Scott Mattlock, who
Speaker 2: is one of my favorite guys who like moonlights as
Speaker 2: a fullback is also this is a defensive end of
Speaker 2: their start lineup right now. I need more bodies up there.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with the rest of their defense, there are
Speaker 2: some needs back there. You know, the way that their
Speaker 2: secondary is shaken out over the last few years is
Speaker 2: not super inspiring. Obviously, we know they like Dyon Henley
Speaker 2: at linebacker. It starts at the front, though for me, defensively,
Speaker 2: they got to get better there and then kind of
Speaker 2: let the offense figure itself out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. They've made so many players look better
Speaker 1: than they had been previously last year, but you can't
Speaker 1: count on that. They've had a quieter offseason than I expected.
Speaker 1: Ton of salary cap space, like way too much. But
Speaker 1: they are kind of resembling what the Ravens do. Joejortiz
Speaker 1: comes from the Ravens, their general manager. They look like
Speaker 1: they're playing the compensatory pick game, like they want to
Speaker 1: get some compensatory picks. So that you look at who
Speaker 1: they've signed, it's it's not a lot of hugely productive players.
Speaker 1: Makai Becton last year, Tyler Kanklin, Najia Harris, like these
Speaker 1: kind of B level They've been looking for values and
Speaker 1: they need some young defensive players that they can build
Speaker 1: around that are their guys. They found a couple of
Speaker 1: cornerbacks in the mid to eight rounds last year, that's
Speaker 1: about it, that are really like Harbaugh guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree. I think if you're going
Speaker 2: to continue to be this defense inner, Jesse Mintter, you're
Speaker 2: just gonna need more NFL talent. I'm not necessarily saying
Speaker 2: we're aiming for blue chip guys because there's only so
Speaker 2: many of those in a draft. But their identity last
Speaker 2: year was playing solid defense of being a tough team,
Speaker 2: and you got to be better on paper in order
Speaker 2: to continue being that team. So hopefully they end up
Speaker 2: doing exactly what you just said and they make their
Speaker 2: money in the draft and go from there.
Speaker 1: But right now, incomplete picture, incomplete picture. But they've earned
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. So have you Shook. Look
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Speaker 2: Appreciate you, man, Oh god, I don't know if kind
Speaker 2: of words ever been said about me. I think you
Speaker 2: as always for the opportunity ten eleven years ago and
Speaker 2: right now, okay, we.
Speaker 1: Got to get you back out hu here, Well let's talk.
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