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Speaker 1: the morning after our our collaborative event with No Laying
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Speaker 1: down to talk about US Open. So we each came
Speaker 1: up with I believe five things. I think we got
Speaker 1: five things each and talked really, I mean, at this point,
Speaker 1: with everything going on in the men's sport, with the
Speaker 1: Live Golf Tour, the Saudi Golf League, however you prefer
Speaker 1: to say it, obviously, this is a little bit different
Speaker 1: major championship than most. I think so much of the
Speaker 1: oxygen and so much of the attention in the golf
Speaker 1: world is going to be centered around you know, the
Speaker 1: live and who's next and what's next for the tour,
Speaker 1: and and obviously it's a it's a very political, It's
Speaker 1: kind of like a political chess match out there. So
Speaker 1: we talked about that as well as other, you know,
Speaker 1: big storylines at Brookline a lot about the course, and
Speaker 1: then about some of the big names that are there.
Speaker 1: So without further ado, here is Tron Carter from No Langa.
Speaker 1: You're going home, going back to Boston.
Speaker 2: I am, yeah, going back to Boston. I went up
Speaker 2: for the media day a couple of weeks ago. There
Speaker 2: was no leaves on the trees yet, which was jarring.
Speaker 2: It's been you know, mid nineties in Florida for the
Speaker 2: last two months. I kind of forgot how late the
Speaker 2: winter and spring creeps into summer up there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it'll be way till Rochester and actually, oh god.
Speaker 2: I'm hoping for absolute carnage.
Speaker 1: Like you know, if you open for snow in the
Speaker 1: practice round to.
Speaker 2: Be awesome, be fantastic. Any of you spent much time in.
Speaker 1: Boston, just a little, just a little. I need I
Speaker 1: need to explore. I don't think next week is gonna
Speaker 1: be the week to explore. You know, you have this
Speaker 1: like idea, it's like, oh, I'm gonna be a week
Speaker 1: in Boston, and then it's like, well, I got to
Speaker 1: the Media Center at seven and then I finished work
Speaker 1: at like nine, So.
Speaker 2: I think the logistics are going to be very, very,
Speaker 2: very challenging for them. There's only like three ways to
Speaker 2: get on and off property. The parking is out at
Speaker 2: Boston College. Like, I think I'm gonna take the tea,
Speaker 2: Let's take the Metro.
Speaker 1: I heard. I heard that like Boston at one point
Speaker 1: knew that they needed to fix all their roads and
Speaker 1: make them, make them make more sense. Like the first
Speaker 1: time I went to Boston, I was trying to get
Speaker 1: to Brookline and I was driving in a circle for
Speaker 1: literally twenty five minutes, and it was driving me insane.
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure it out.
Speaker 2: It gets weird back behind Fenway and yea ten more
Speaker 2: and everything like there's a there's a stream back there, and.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly the area. And I just like kept
Speaker 1: going in this circle. And it's funny. I was telling
Speaker 1: somebody about it, and they're like, oh, yeah, you know
Speaker 1: that the city knew back in the day that they
Speaker 1: needed to fix the roads. And they just said, you
Speaker 1: know what, fuck the outsiders. The people that live here
Speaker 1: know how to get around, and we aren't going to
Speaker 1: make it easier for other people. And I think that's
Speaker 1: like the perfect sentiment of Boston.
Speaker 2: It's our it's our most uh European American city. It's
Speaker 2: it's super European. It's a great place to live, it's
Speaker 2: great place to walk, like it's a it's a walking city. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then they did try to fix the roads a
Speaker 2: little bit when they did the Big dig and they
Speaker 2: spent like, you know, twenty five dollars on that, which
Speaker 2: doesn't seem like as much money in to health, but
Speaker 2: at the time it was just remarkable.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's a it's a really cool city. I'm
Speaker 1: excited to be there even you know, I need to
Speaker 1: make some time to get away. What are you looking
Speaker 1: forward to, uh at this year's US Open.
Speaker 2: Gosh, I think first thing is, first, I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to Lady J potentially returning to uh benway to the
Speaker 2: line drive seats.
Speaker 1: Justine, Justine and Patrick are the Red Sox in town.
Speaker 2: They are they they're playing the A's I think. And
Speaker 2: then uh, I don't know who who's in town on
Speaker 2: the weekend, but yeah, it's like a six or seven
Speaker 2: game home stand.
Speaker 1: That's it. And then uh in the Celtics, Celtics, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe they maybe they get courtside seats and they get
Speaker 1: mad because you know, a player could crash into them.
Speaker 2: A sweaty player into them.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big week for for Justine
Speaker 1: and the team. Read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're making the move to Live. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: a little bit worried for her safety. She starts chirping
Speaker 2: it you know Norman or NBS for setup stuff, for
Speaker 2: draw stuff. But I guess it's a shotgun start, so
Speaker 2: there's no no good draw or bad draw right ends
Speaker 2: though they well pins and then like if you know,
Speaker 2: I guess the first round like it's kind of luck
Speaker 2: of the draw if you're if you're teeing off on
Speaker 2: one or ten or fifteen, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's an interesting thing about Live, right, is like
Speaker 1: the shotgun start works in a way that everybody's playing,
Speaker 1: but there are different stretches of the golf course that
Speaker 1: are harder or easier than otherwise, and it doesn't like
Speaker 1: they need to figure out how to like account for that.
Speaker 2: The fact that somebody can come from like one or
Speaker 2: two groups back, but their team like they're starting on
Speaker 2: two or three and they have to go and finish
Speaker 2: on one or two and they're potentially gonna win the
Speaker 2: golf tournament. Is it's insane to me.
Speaker 1: And they send those things out to pick them up and.
Speaker 2: Drive them back the tenth the London taxis so so,
Speaker 2: Lady Jays, you're number one the first I would say.
Speaker 1: The thing I'm one of the things I'm thinking about
Speaker 1: is like what if Pat Reid or a live player wins.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of rooting for it, to be honest,
Speaker 2: like in a perverse, sick way, like I'm you know,
Speaker 2: obviously way way out on on live and I think
Speaker 2: it's terrible for our game, but like man like chaos theory,
Speaker 2: like let's just make it completely nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what what is the response like is that
Speaker 1: is there? Is it less celebrated if like what if
Speaker 1: DJ or Phil? You know when you talk.
Speaker 2: About like, I mean Phil's not gonna win, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not terrible golf course for him.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing so we didn't nobody expected them to win.
Speaker 2: At Kiwa or or or the British Open.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing about it is like one of with
Speaker 1: like DJ and Reid or you know, one of their
Speaker 1: bigger players. The tour and obviously this is a USGA Championship,
Speaker 1: but the tour has poured so much money into promoting
Speaker 1: these guys. I mean, golf is a superstar driven game.
Speaker 1: The tour I think like somewhat understands that, but like
Speaker 1: they do understand it in the way they promote these guys, right,
Speaker 1: and like DJ, a lot of their like their their
Speaker 1: play has earned them, you know, the superstardom, but the
Speaker 1: tour also like promotes and like creates stars somewhat with
Speaker 1: like their social media there, you know, their commercials, all
Speaker 1: that this might be the first major where we have
Speaker 1: a winner. And you hear like crickets from the PGA tour.
Speaker 2: Well what about Yeah, they'll probably be twet about you know,
Speaker 2: FedEx Cup standings afterwards or whatever, and yeah, Scotty's still
Speaker 2: number one in the FedEx Cup or I think that.
Speaker 2: Plus if guys, like if somebody knocks off too in
Speaker 2: a row, it'd be it'd be awesome. And like they're
Speaker 2: they're they're leading the FedEx Cup technically, but they're not
Speaker 2: a PGA to remember.
Speaker 1: Scotty might be so far in front that it's true
Speaker 1: nobody could be. Well, I mean that Zalataurus was that
Speaker 1: last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he.
Speaker 1: Was what thirteenth of the FedEx Cup but not listed
Speaker 1: not eligible, Yeah yeah, I mean anybody that hasn't gone
Speaker 1: yet that you're anticipating.
Speaker 2: You're just shocked they haven't gone yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean number one for me. And I meant
Speaker 1: to write this in like one of our like little
Speaker 1: round tables or something like. I'm utterly I don't understand
Speaker 1: how he hasn't gone yet. It is Rory Sabatine, the
Speaker 1: same thing the other day. It blows my mind, like
Speaker 1: of all the people, and you know what part of
Speaker 1: me thinks like Slugger has dealt with everybody, you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe he's advising them and be like, listen, you guys,
Speaker 1: get anybody I can handle. I can handle pe read
Speaker 1: I I can't do Sabatini. He yells at volunteers. You
Speaker 1: know that. That to me, this is a man that
Speaker 1: switched to his citizenship.
Speaker 2: Maybe they haven't met his number, like co Crack, which
Speaker 2: is insane. Co Cracks holding out for more because they
Speaker 2: haven't met his number. Co Crack's betting on himself.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what's going on with co Crack and
Speaker 1: the Golf Saudi logo.
Speaker 2: I just don't understand what's going on with co Crack
Speaker 2: in general.
Speaker 1: But he's just a Northeast Ohio boy, just you know,
Speaker 1: trying trying to get paid. What about you.
Speaker 2: I'm shocked that, Yeah, I mean Sabatini. But like as
Speaker 2: far as top shelf players, no offense to Rory, Uh.
Speaker 1: He's a lower already.
Speaker 2: A lot of week team Rose. Uh. Although I from
Speaker 2: everything I'm hearing, it sounds like Tim Rose is probably
Speaker 2: going this week in Paul Casey.
Speaker 1: Yeah what because I had heard Paul Casey was like
Speaker 1: actively recruiting at Riviera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it sounds like can't lay, Like like can't
Speaker 2: lay sounds like the most miserable guy to have in
Speaker 2: all the pack meetings because he thinks he's he thinks
Speaker 2: everybody's you know, coming out to see him and they're
Speaker 2: worth you know, five six x what they're making right now.
Speaker 2: And so he's been just vociferous in all the pack meetings,
Speaker 2: just insufferable, like you know, getting on Jay about all
Speaker 2: this stuff. And it's like, yo, man, like I think
Speaker 2: you're part of the problem, Like you're not, You're not
Speaker 2: one of these guys like Rory or Speeth or rom
Speaker 2: or JT who like people are coming out to watch
Speaker 2: and like you're not driving ratings.
Speaker 1: I think he's got the right attitude though, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean I think I think Monahin should lose
Speaker 2: his job personally.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's he Uh. They seem to have underestimated
Speaker 1: this thing from the start, and it seems like they
Speaker 1: actually are still under estimating somehow, and it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: it's not gonna go away anytime soon. These guys have
Speaker 1: four year contracts.
Speaker 2: That brings me to my second thing that I'm excited
Speaker 2: for Mike Wan's presser. I think it's on Wednesday. You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's time for like some people in golf leadership
Speaker 2: to get step up to the plate and like have
Speaker 2: a press conference. Jamon has had two press conferences this
Speaker 2: whole year. He's like he's invisible, like the house is
Speaker 2: on fire and he is just, you know, nowhere to
Speaker 2: be found.
Speaker 1: He should go on ce NBC again.
Speaker 2: The markets are taking a dump right now too. Uh.
Speaker 2: He's just you know, it's like, I think I'm excited
Speaker 2: for Mike Wan to answer questions and about there, you know,
Speaker 2: because they came out this past week and said, hey,
Speaker 2: we're not banning these guys at least for this event.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure they'll do some wonky shit with the OWGR.
Speaker 1: That's the thing I think is like the opens are
Speaker 1: in this position where they in their name it's open.
Speaker 2: You can't really discriminate against someone based on what tour
Speaker 2: they're playing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like you can't be like, hey, you know,
Speaker 1: you're supposed to have a five year exemption because you
Speaker 1: want a major, but that's not good anymore. And then
Speaker 1: the OWGR is kind of in the same position because like,
Speaker 1: if you compromise your ranking, your official World Golf rankings,
Speaker 1: then are you the official World Golf rankings?
Speaker 2: Like someone say they're already compromised some manipulation and the.
Speaker 1: They might be getting rid of that with the with
Speaker 1: the devaluing, but it also feels like they're kind of
Speaker 1: trying to game against the Asian Tour, which is like
Speaker 1: I think the Asian Tour has like, you know, outside
Speaker 1: of Live and has the most to gain from all
Speaker 1: of this because they could become the minor leagues of Live,
Speaker 1: you know, and then the European Tour could.
Speaker 2: Just your guy, Pelly needs to he needs to do
Speaker 2: something drastic.
Speaker 1: I think might he might along with j Mon hand
Speaker 1: he to exit, you know, stage left, just quietly just
Speaker 1: leave as glasses.
Speaker 2: And yeah, if the majors like decide to self diminish.
Speaker 2: The kind of feels like a waste, right, especially like
Speaker 2: the Masters, Well, it's already a limited field seven of
Speaker 2: the last thirteen And.
Speaker 1: If you're the Masters, why do you want to pick
Speaker 1: the fight with with Saudi Arabia at this point?
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like the Masters historically, like they've taken pleasure
Speaker 2: in like dunking on the tour and like treating the
Speaker 2: tour like the little brother and now they seem like
Speaker 2: they're tight and they're close and everything, which is kind
Speaker 2: of disappointing.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So and like I don't know, the tour is in
Speaker 2: such a tenuous spot, and that's before we even get
Speaker 2: to like them potentially losing lawsuits, and like even when
Speaker 2: these lawsuits are going, there's gonna be temporary injunctions. I'm
Speaker 2: sure that like allow guys to play both.
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing. They have a if you do
Speaker 1: the if they follow the guidelines of it. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a twenty eight day waiting period for an appeal, and
Speaker 1: during that period apparently so if somebody gets suspended they
Speaker 1: can appeal, they have fourteen days to appeal and then
Speaker 1: like so like Ian Poulter who didn't resign and the
Speaker 1: way they they you know, the language of that memo
Speaker 1: that Mynhan sent out, if you resigned, it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like you're going to be suspended because it said it
Speaker 1: had like language that effectively addressed the players that didn't resign,
Speaker 1: and then it said, we we've recognized the resignations, and
Speaker 1: so the players that didn't resign have they can appeal,
Speaker 1: and then they can play during the appeal. During the appeal.
Speaker 1: So I could see Bryson, you know, because he didn't resign,
Speaker 1: I don't think, but he.
Speaker 2: Got dropped by by Rocket Mortgage cook and loans. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean, Tiger's got to just be so pissed,
Speaker 2: like Tiger, you know, turned down what close to a
Speaker 2: billion dollars I guess from him.
Speaker 1: And well, like I kind of think Tiger needs to
Speaker 1: be like the commissioner.
Speaker 2: Possibly, yeah, maybe maybe Steiny's the commissioner.
Speaker 1: They need somebody that and this is where the Patrick
Speaker 1: Cantlay discussion. They need somebody that thinks about this as
Speaker 1: the way a superstar would think about it, right, because
Speaker 1: that's what the war's over. I think live understands like.
Speaker 2: It's Peter Mulnatty versus. Yeah, versus Rory, whether Rory wants
Speaker 2: to submit that or not and live.
Speaker 1: I think like they they probably know that they only
Speaker 1: need like ten superstars and before anybody's like, oh, fill's
Speaker 1: out a superstar anymore. He finished second in the PIP
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what matters more than results on
Speaker 1: the golf course, right. It is like who a fan recognizes,
Speaker 1: and that's what golf has been about for years.
Speaker 2: I mean there's people that work, you know, talking to
Speaker 2: somebody the other day that was they're like a you know,
Speaker 2: head pro at a at a golf club around here
Speaker 2: in Michigan. They had no idea what any of this
Speaker 2: was about. They're, yoh, what's going on with this with
Speaker 2: this Saudi League or whatever, Like it's phil really going
Speaker 2: and like that's that's somebody in the golf thing. Like
Speaker 2: my dad texts me, He's like like, what what are
Speaker 2: the Saudi's doing? Like I don't really followed any of this,
Speaker 2: but this is crazy, right, And it's like I think
Speaker 2: I think we all we tend to overestimate how uh,
Speaker 2: how like engaged people are in the business of golf.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, they care about the four majors and
Speaker 2: they might watch the players too, and and you know
Speaker 2: Phil's gonna see it up, Tiger's can to see it up,
Speaker 2: and the rest is kind of window dressing, right.
Speaker 1: And here we're fifteen minutes in. I think this is
Speaker 1: like the big story of the week, though, is even
Speaker 1: major championships? This this is such a big story in
Speaker 1: a sport that it is that it's the story of
Speaker 1: the major which is which is wild, Like I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see, you know, obviously Phil's presser on Monday morning,
Speaker 1: but also like the thing that's going to happen is
Speaker 1: like if these two live guys play a practice round
Speaker 1: with this guy that's not a live guy, obviously, immediately
Speaker 1: there's going to be speculation, is so and so going
Speaker 1: to live? Like if Ron plays with you know, somebody
Speaker 1: that's Pablo Latha ball because maybe they're friends tweak. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think Pueag's in the field, but you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the that's the that's what we got.
Speaker 1: So I'm moving to more interesting things. The course I
Speaker 1: think is gonna be obviously, any us open course is
Speaker 1: like kind of storyline one A or one B.
Speaker 2: Are you are you worried that the that the USGA
Speaker 2: is going to keep doing this touchy feely, warm and fuzzy,
Speaker 2: let's be nice to the players approach or.
Speaker 1: I you know, Garrett always talks about this and and
Speaker 1: Garrett I think does a good way of a good job,
Speaker 1: Like he listens, he reads the history and everything. He
Speaker 1: just did that open doctor, and you know, I think
Speaker 1: he he kind of compartmentalizes it. We have like waves
Speaker 1: of of essentially set up people. And we're in the
Speaker 1: Bodenhammer era, like right there was we were. We just
Speaker 1: came out of the Mike Davis era, you know, and
Speaker 1: now we're in the Bodenhammer area and it's just a
Speaker 1: it's a unique era and set up and it's a
Speaker 1: very friendly one. And I I kind of think it's
Speaker 1: it's a it's gone back to thick rough.
Speaker 2: Wider fairways. Put thick rough off those wider fairways.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and and really thick rough around the greens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, no more short grass. It's like a reaction.
Speaker 2: I do think there's there's gonna be some spots here
Speaker 2: this week with some short grass, you know, around because
Speaker 2: the greens are tiny, tiny, Yeah, It's.
Speaker 1: I mean it'll be interesting. Like the thing I I
Speaker 1: don't like. I always like if you want to test people,
Speaker 1: like why why do they have thick ruff on the
Speaker 1: backs of greens?
Speaker 2: Like if you go over the green at a US Open,
Speaker 2: like it should roll like sixty yards.
Speaker 1: It is a spelcrow to me, like it almost like
Speaker 1: it pads it right, Like I think like the thing that.
Speaker 2: It's like a bumper in bowling. You know you gonna
Speaker 2: just get get bumped back into the the lane.
Speaker 1: I would love like this a move away Like the
Speaker 1: US Open to me always feels really uniform. It's like
Speaker 1: we're gonna have like what when they had the you know,
Speaker 1: intermediate rough. It's like we're gonna have seven yards of
Speaker 1: that on every fairway, every hole. And then it goes
Speaker 1: to this. It's like why can't we just like set
Speaker 1: up a golf course and be like, you know, the
Speaker 1: right roff over here, we're just gonna have to be short.
Speaker 1: But it's a terrible angle.
Speaker 2: Like that's a that's a great like you don't want
Speaker 2: to be over there. Yeah, so you know in the.
Speaker 1: Left roof over here is really long. It doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be the same length on both sides. You know,
Speaker 1: we could have short rough over the green and long, rough,
Speaker 1: short left of the green.
Speaker 2: I feel the same way about bunkers, Like that was
Speaker 2: something in Australia. We went down there like they you know,
Speaker 2: you miss right of the screen, there's plenty of sin
Speaker 2: in the punker. You miss left of the screen, there's
Speaker 2: no sin and you're completely fucked. Like it's that's a
Speaker 2: very like there should be varying degrees of penalty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then also it it lends itself to like
Speaker 1: the person that's most prepared and the caddy and the
Speaker 1: and the player that no certain spots all of a
Speaker 1: sudden like it's not when it's just thick rough. It's
Speaker 1: really my issue with it. It just dums it down
Speaker 1: and it a lot of it can be attributed to luck,
Speaker 1: you know. It's just like I got good lies well.
Speaker 2: And it's like the way that the way that you know,
Speaker 2: everything works these days too, It's like these guys are
Speaker 2: so long and straight, so it just favors the bigger
Speaker 2: hitters that much more because they're they're hitting a you know,
Speaker 2: a fifty four degree wedge out of it versus somebody
Speaker 2: like you know, Sabatini's hitting a seven iron out of it.
Speaker 2: You know, like that's a massive. That's a massive, you know,
Speaker 2: especially with like I anticipate, like the greens are going
Speaker 2: to be super firm. It's been really nice weather. It
Speaker 2: has been really nice weather lead up here. There's a
Speaker 2: ton of slope.
Speaker 1: The fairways are rockets out there too, if assuming they
Speaker 1: get the weather to cooperate. I mean, the ball bounces
Speaker 1: and there's some contour in them that make a lot
Speaker 1: of those fairways play like they feel they can look
Speaker 1: kind of wide, but effectively they play really small because
Speaker 1: of they run a lot and then they just have
Speaker 1: some contour in them where if you hit the wrong
Speaker 1: side of something, it just will shoot some direction. But
Speaker 1: you know that's the thing, I h they're speaking to
Speaker 1: your like irregular regularities thing we play. We have an
Speaker 1: event it's whole park every year and the eighth hole
Speaker 1: there there's this you've been there. Yeah, there's this devastatingly
Speaker 1: deep bunker left of the green. But it also has
Speaker 1: like it has so much you feel like you're in
Speaker 1: like a sand quarry. When you go in, feel like
Speaker 1: you're like the beach. Yeah, there's so much sand in it,
Speaker 1: but like you know, under no circumstances can you miss
Speaker 1: in that bunker, and I think that's really.
Speaker 2: And then that affects your strategy for the entire hole
Speaker 2: where you like you're playing away from it, and then
Speaker 2: you basically get you get worried about getting your hand
Speaker 2: cut in the cookie jar. Yes, right, and and I
Speaker 2: think there's there's something to be said for that where
Speaker 2: you start playing away from it, and then there's so
Speaker 2: much that goes into you know, whole locations of you know,
Speaker 2: in in kind of response to that, and yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it's you know, I just hope like they don't
Speaker 2: because that was that was my concern it like wing
Speaker 2: Foot or I thought Tori was good last year, Like
Speaker 2: the setup was fine, like, but trying to get get
Speaker 2: the greens bouncy from the very start, like the whole
Speaker 2: ramp up Thursday Friday, and I know some of its
Speaker 2: pace of play and you got to get however many
Speaker 2: guys through you know, the first thirty six holes or whatever,
Speaker 2: but like, I just I think it's been a little
Speaker 2: bit too toothless. The last couple opens on Thursday Friday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think like the USJA doesn't want this
Speaker 1: identity because they hate the player backlash, and I think
Speaker 1: social media fuels. This where the players have their own
Speaker 1: platform to go. You know, we saw it with the
Speaker 1: with the General Paton Kazaire at the PGA, and you know,
Speaker 1: Hattan's complained at both majors this year.
Speaker 2: But some of these guys are gonna complain any which way,
Speaker 2: so you might as well do your identity.
Speaker 1: Part of your identity is the players aren't on the
Speaker 1: PGA tour this week, Yeah, they're coming, and the USGA
Speaker 1: is kind of the US Open is the place where
Speaker 1: players have to kind of like part of the challenge
Speaker 1: is is dealing with the emotions of feeling like you're
Speaker 1: getting screwed over, yeah, and having some aandamat Like I
Speaker 1: like some mental Yes, I like the idea of a
Speaker 1: course that gets a little under it. And I think
Speaker 1: Brookline could do that because of it's really hard that
Speaker 1: place so much.
Speaker 2: So there's so much cool quirk too. Like I was talking,
Speaker 2: I was talking to Caddy last night about it, and
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, like it kind of reminds me
Speaker 2: of Birkdale a little bit. And then like there's there's
Speaker 2: a lot of up and down. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: you know, movement up the hills like fourteen that part five.
Speaker 2: It might be the only part five in the world
Speaker 2: that matters anymore. Like it's I think both the part
Speaker 2: five like six sixty up the hill and it like
Speaker 2: even if you're laying up, you have to hit like
Speaker 2: a two hundred and thirty yard shot up to this
Speaker 2: tabletop area and then you missed the green like like
Speaker 2: short and it's rolling back down the hill like eighty yards.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That that fourteenth hole is I mean, I think
Speaker 1: like Pebble fourteen is another good par five and in
Speaker 1: for US Open Golf, but this one is like Pebble fourteen.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm kind of steroid, like.
Speaker 2: Bigger green, but but much much more like severe upslope, yeah,
Speaker 2: all the way up to it.
Speaker 1: Effectively, if you don't hit the fairway there, you're laying
Speaker 1: up short of this rock cliff, you won't be able
Speaker 1: to see anything.
Speaker 2: And you have like two ten into into green with
Speaker 2: like a shinnecock style, like you know, false front on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah and and yeah, and you won't be able to
Speaker 1: see there's a tree. And yeah. Both both part fives
Speaker 1: are going to be really fun to watch. I think
Speaker 1: That's the other thing is like there's some just truly
Speaker 1: great holes out there, like three four on the really
Speaker 1: two two through six is going to be an amazing
Speaker 1: stretch of golf to watch, and that, to me is
Speaker 1: is probably the coolest part of the whole course. And
Speaker 1: i'm i'm I think the par three's in general are
Speaker 1: really one of the strongest aspects of the golf course.
Speaker 1: But then you know, ten obviously is a truly it's
Speaker 1: a converted par five into par four. That green is insane.
Speaker 2: There's just so quick, essentially New England, where you're driving
Speaker 2: over these these exposed rock outcroppings to kind of a
Speaker 2: blind area, you know, over this little hill, but you
Speaker 2: can bail out down the left, but then your angle
Speaker 2: sucks into the green. Like there's I mean, there's so
Speaker 2: many guys that are going to be defeated before before
Speaker 2: like the first nine is even over because they can't
Speaker 2: handle the blind shots and you know some of the
Speaker 2: quirk of the place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing is like it's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite T shots is the twelve T shot out there,
Speaker 1: and it's just like it's blind that it is not
Speaker 1: a typical US Open course, and none of these guys
Speaker 1: outside of the guys that played the US Am have
Speaker 1: really seen it, which I think is one of the
Speaker 1: cool things about this year, with Southern Hills being basically
Speaker 1: a new course here being you know, you get like
Speaker 1: some it's not going to Pebble where they see every
Speaker 1: year or Tory, like that's one of the things that diminishes.
Speaker 1: I think the majors at at when they have them
Speaker 1: at Pebble or Torri feel like we see it every year,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's obviously not the same type of thing,
Speaker 1: but this one we haven't seen in most golf fans.
Speaker 1: I mean I remember the Ryder Cup barely most golf
Speaker 1: fans I have never seen this course, even.
Speaker 2: The Ryder Cup. Like that seventeenth hole, that green is unrecognizable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they've they've brought that thing back out so much. There's
Speaker 2: so there's some really really cool pins there, Like that's
Speaker 2: such a cool hole, great driving hole. That closing stretch
Speaker 2: is great, like the you know fourteen through fourteen through
Speaker 2: seventeen or fourteen through eighteen or just fantastic. I mean
Speaker 2: eighteen green is like there's not that many pinnable spots there.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be so neat to watch that chips if
Speaker 1: they do that front pan because they've recaptured the front
Speaker 1: and it's all unpinnable space, but it's a really cool,
Speaker 1: like point, you might see some really neat chips that
Speaker 1: roll up the hill come back and like potentially in
Speaker 1: like that hole yields and we can yield some pre
Speaker 1: creative recovery and then yeah, sixteen, everybody will shit on
Speaker 1: sixteen compared to the other par threes.
Speaker 2: Sixteen's cool, like super understated. Back in that little corner,
Speaker 2: and the green is awesome.
Speaker 1: The green that's it might be the best green on
Speaker 1: the golf course. The back half they use a backpin there.
Speaker 1: It's a long par three. The back half runs away
Speaker 1: on that green and if you land it like middle
Speaker 1: to back, it's just shooting off. It might jump out
Speaker 1: like all the way out of the property.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought I aced it when or put in
Speaker 2: the media day. I was off the back of the
Speaker 2: green and like landed at pin high, Yeah, and just
Speaker 2: shot forward.
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Speaker 1: back to tron Carter. So it's a it's it's a
Speaker 1: neat golf course. I think, like I'm I'm really interested
Speaker 1: to see what the public thinks because I think it's
Speaker 1: got enough visuals and eye candy to like, I think
Speaker 1: one of the things that happens is at like a
Speaker 1: wing foot or wingfoot, like if you're if you know
Speaker 1: what you're looking at, Like the greens are so cool,
Speaker 1: but if you don't, it's flat and there's not a
Speaker 1: whole lot of dog legs. Yeah, and you don't have
Speaker 1: like that like beautiful, but I think.
Speaker 2: There's so much more, there's so much more elevation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and there's so much more context and like texture there
Speaker 2: I think where but that comes back to is NBC
Speaker 2: going to do it justice? Like like like some of
Speaker 2: my favorite shots of the US Open are like the
Speaker 2: wide two or three hole pans, like they do a
Speaker 2: really good job of this at Oakmont right or like
Speaker 2: you see you see several holes in the same shot
Speaker 2: and you see like truly how how you know, dramatic
Speaker 2: some of these elevation changes are. And Fox got really
Speaker 2: good at doing that towards the end of their run.
Speaker 2: And I'm fearful that because I think NBC has a
Speaker 2: tendency to just use like a bunch of tower cams
Speaker 2: that tend to look down on everything and like wash
Speaker 2: out any sort of you know, intrigue or any sort
Speaker 2: of like you know, severe elevation changes. It makes everything
Speaker 2: look flat. So because I mean like fifteen is a
Speaker 2: great example as well, like tee off down that hill
Speaker 2: over the road and then great Green there as well,
Speaker 2: and like it feels quintessentially New England. You got to
Speaker 2: go through like from fourteen Green to fifteen Tea, you
Speaker 2: have to go through somebody's backyard. He's like leasing them
Speaker 2: like the land this week to you know, basically avoid
Speaker 2: the crowds, you know, back around that tea box. It's
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like quirky and cool back in that
Speaker 2: low corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think one thing that I think, I thought
Speaker 1: they did a really good job at the Women's US
Speaker 1: Open with There were extraordinary, like next level stuff that
Speaker 1: I haven't really seen. And I'm hoping a lot of
Speaker 1: that carries over to this week because that that visual
Speaker 1: experience was really good.
Speaker 2: We haven't talked about the shorty Little Part three yet.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts.
Speaker 2: I think it's great. I mean it's it's just a
Speaker 2: little drop shot. Especially if there's a front pin there,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's uh, that's the thing. It's a It's
Speaker 1: one of those shots that feels really easy until you
Speaker 1: miss it and then when you miss it.
Speaker 2: Your scar tissue.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I in the media day I played, I
Speaker 1: was playing pretty pretty decent. I was hitting the ball
Speaker 1: well and I hit I thought a really good shot there.
Speaker 1: I end up just short. I ended up walking away
Speaker 1: with a six. Like it's really really treacherous if you
Speaker 1: miss the green and the wrong spot, and it's easy
Speaker 1: to do when you get that wedge. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: some of the players. I think one of my big
Speaker 1: big storylines is, uh, can somebody get two majors in
Speaker 1: a year? We'll see I mean, like we were set
Speaker 1: up for we got two guys that like it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where they where they play, that won the first two,
Speaker 1: you know, Scotty and JT. Obviously, I think you you
Speaker 1: put them in that both of them is like the
Speaker 1: you know, one of the favorite. It's I think, you know,
Speaker 1: it'd be great. I think if if somebody won two
Speaker 1: majors this year, and because we were we have so
Speaker 1: many guys with one major, you know, and so many
Speaker 1: and and JT obviously getting to three majors would be huge.
Speaker 1: For he's at the point now with two majors, like
Speaker 1: every major he adds, he's moving up in the echelon
Speaker 1: of great players, like dramatically, right. And for Scotty, like
Speaker 1: you're talking about number one player in the world having
Speaker 1: a historic year, he gets the second major. Now Alsoden,
Speaker 1: you're talking about like one of the greatest seasons ever
Speaker 1: right in the modern era. You know, he would be
Speaker 1: a six wins two majors, like just there and then
Speaker 1: he's got still got a lot of tournaments left. So
Speaker 1: that's kind of one of the things I'm watching is
Speaker 1: with these guys, and and you talked about earlier, like
Speaker 1: what if the live guy frad holds off the next two.
Speaker 2: You know, the like both it's like simultaneously awful and hilarious,
Speaker 2: you know, especially with Saint Andrew next Yeah too. I
Speaker 2: mean it's you know, it's gonna be I think it's
Speaker 2: two courses that encourage guys to play a little bit creatively.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I still like, I think there's
Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said for being in
Speaker 2: the fairway hitting a bunch of greens. It kind of
Speaker 2: reminds me like the Marion US Open where Justin Rose won,
Speaker 2: but like Billy Horse will hit like all eighteen greens
Speaker 2: one of the rounds, Like I think Horsell sets up
Speaker 2: really well. I think like a guy like Fleetwood, Like
Speaker 2: he's not the longest guy in the world, but as
Speaker 2: long as the putter stays hot, like Fleetwood just just
Speaker 2: really good iron play, you know, distance control. Uh. It
Speaker 2: feels kind of like a speedy golf course to me too.
Speaker 1: One of the things with the Yeah, especially the way
Speaker 1: Spee's driving it. It's gonna be really hard and there
Speaker 1: to me, like because of how much contour is in
Speaker 1: the greens. I didn't think about this, but like it
Speaker 1: might actually favor a guy like Fleetwood who's not the
Speaker 1: best putter. But you know a lot of times that
Speaker 1: you're twenty five feet lagging exactly like you you've got,
Speaker 1: I got. I had a two great shots on ten.
Speaker 1: I couldn't have hit two better shots. And I was
Speaker 1: like twenty feet away and I'm hitting a putt and
Speaker 1: I'm like it.
Speaker 2: Was like an auto three putt.
Speaker 1: I was legitimately like where where do I need to
Speaker 1: hit this so that I have like a four footter? Yeah,
Speaker 1: to make part and walk away from here. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot of those greens because of that old
Speaker 1: school like it's not wingfoot has sections and you get
Speaker 1: into those sections and they're kind of flat. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like. I feel like the country Club just has
Speaker 1: a lot of slope all over the place.
Speaker 2: And it blends into yeah, sections blend into one another.
Speaker 1: And part of that, like they're really cool greens, but
Speaker 1: they don't look really cool from a photograph because it's
Speaker 1: just like kind of like a continuous slope with like
Speaker 1: pockets of different.
Speaker 2: And they're framed by so much rough around them.
Speaker 1: So the greens don't like pop visually, but they are
Speaker 1: very cool greens, and they they're like treacherous in a
Speaker 1: different way than the masters or a wing foot or
Speaker 1: you know, even a southern hills where you could see
Speaker 1: these distinct sections, so when you're twenty five feet away,
Speaker 1: you might be lagging. Yeah, and you think like Shinnakock
Speaker 1: in a way had some of that too, you know,
Speaker 1: it's not like you think about Shinnacock's greens and they're
Speaker 1: you know, Flynn did a lot of work here, and
Speaker 1: Flynn did a lot of work at Shinnacock, and that's
Speaker 1: Flynn golf courses, and I think the country called fits.
Speaker 1: This is like you're hitting from these really terrible lies,
Speaker 1: like or just really weird lies to greens that are
Speaker 1: like heavily contoured in one direction, and it becomes about
Speaker 1: being the proper side and that's really difficult when the
Speaker 1: lies aren't perfect. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's it basically makes you know, like it's
Speaker 2: like the smart golf ins like clapping for a shot
Speaker 2: that hits the middle of the green this week is
Speaker 2: like like on some of these holes like if you're
Speaker 2: coming out of the rough and you're hitting the green,
Speaker 2: like more power to you, like like kudos, because that's
Speaker 2: gonna be. So that's why, like I love, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Cam Smith is, Like I don't think
Speaker 2: he's gonna drive it well enough. And I think, you know,
Speaker 2: he likes short grass and I think some of his
Speaker 2: flare and imagination around the greens is gonna be a
Speaker 2: little bit neutered by like just gallging out of of
Speaker 2: of thick rough around greens. But like a guy like
Speaker 2: Shane Lowry, I think is another one, like guys that
Speaker 2: maybe it's just you know European, you know, Irish British
Speaker 2: guys that kind of can can you know, play with
Speaker 2: some imagination and some creativity.
Speaker 1: Shane Lowry is just a great hard golf course player. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Cam Smith, to me, it's gonna get lost. But like
Speaker 1: that finish at at Southern Hell's he led the led
Speaker 1: the field tee to green and he was abysmal with
Speaker 1: the potter. Yeah, like that was a major that I'm
Speaker 1: guessing like he probably thinks about as like I hit
Speaker 1: the ball. That's got to be one of the most
Speaker 1: frustrating things is when you hit the ball well enough
Speaker 1: you're one of the greatest putters and it just goes cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and and that you know, and he played
Speaker 1: obviously really well like this year to me, like that,
Speaker 1: that T twelve at Southern Hills was a really good
Speaker 1: T twelve And obviously the Masters, he was the only
Speaker 1: one that had really a chance to win other than Scottie.
Speaker 2: I think another guy that like going back to our
Speaker 2: conversation about this kind of neutralizing the putting or almost
Speaker 2: freeing a guy up a little bit, uh big tone,
Speaker 2: big tones, playing well trending. He's so good off the tee,
Speaker 2: like he can hit that you know, bunty three wood
Speaker 2: down there, like three ten and just good iron player
Speaker 2: and like lagging putts around and making a bunch of
Speaker 2: pars and then picking off, you know, a couple of
Speaker 2: birdies here and there. It's just you know, keep an
Speaker 2: eye off a big tone.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing. It's like
Speaker 1: you you might not have to great this week. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I Like, I think Max is like just good iron.
Speaker 2: Like I'm looking at good iron players who are pretty
Speaker 2: straight off the tee and resilient like mentally, like because
Speaker 2: like I mean Ted Scott posted a video of it
Speaker 2: this morning, the fairway on nine, Like, you know, that's
Speaker 2: that's one of the hesitations I have with Billy Horschel.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, if he gets completely like rolling
Speaker 2: down the hell on that fourteen or nine, like on nine,
Speaker 2: like you can hit it down even the left side
Speaker 2: of the fairway and the ball goes into into the
Speaker 2: lake on the right.
Speaker 1: It's a yeah, I mean it brings me to Rory
Speaker 1: and Speath, Right, those are two guys that I don't
Speaker 1: know if Rory can just keep it together.
Speaker 2: I just don't trust him. Yeah, I mean speed, but speed.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's like I felt sweet out of
Speaker 2: colonial and it's just it's exhaust Like I don't know
Speaker 2: how he gets through data dead life because it's so
Speaker 2: like between the preshot routine and then the just the
Speaker 2: missed shorties, but then he'll make a thirty footer like
Speaker 2: it's a it's a really exhausting way to play golf.
Speaker 1: I think that's why people like him so much. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah it I mean he's just not a good
Speaker 1: putter right now. No, he's hitting the ball the best
Speaker 1: he's ever hit in his career.
Speaker 2: But he's kind of got the more Cowa thing going
Speaker 2: where like or like the Zalatorus thing, where like he's
Speaker 2: not a good putter from you know, four to ten feet,
Speaker 2: but he's like he's still like he's still making a
Speaker 2: bunch of potts from like twenty five feet. It's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like it's like the irrational confidence.
Speaker 1: NBA. You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's like it's like a j. R. Smith kind
Speaker 2: of thing where he's like irrationally confident. He's pulling up
Speaker 2: from everywhere, and it's like somebody's got to heat check him.
Speaker 2: But I think he can get on one of those
Speaker 2: runs and just string him together. But I also think
Speaker 2: there's less This is a good major for him because
Speaker 2: there's less emphasis on making a bunch of birdies, just
Speaker 2: trying to stack up pars and pick off a birdie
Speaker 2: here and there. Like if you shoot sixty eight or
Speaker 2: sixty nine, that's great. You don't have to go out
Speaker 2: and shoot sixty five or sixty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh. I mean you start to look
Speaker 1: at the players you brought up more Kawa. It's kind
Speaker 1: of been a down year for him Hoveland, like the
Speaker 1: guys that everybody was talking about John Rahm. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: the you know, rom obviously won in Mexico, but that
Speaker 1: was like a.
Speaker 2: Group of Selenas.
Speaker 1: The field was abysmal and it wasn't really like it
Speaker 1: wasn't one of the like that was one of those like, oh,
Speaker 1: if good players were in this field, that would have
Speaker 1: been a tea time, yeah, or a T four. But
Speaker 1: the thing about it's been kind of a down year.
Speaker 1: I actually like wonder if the live stuff's been like
Speaker 1: a distraction because those are like the pre that going
Speaker 1: into the year, premiere guys, and now we've got like
Speaker 1: kind of Cam Smith has become a premier guy and
Speaker 1: Scottie Scheffler's become a premier guy who was and thought
Speaker 1: of at the beginning of the year. And I wonder
Speaker 1: could like the live distraction actually be you know, a
Speaker 1: real thing, because you see it with other sports, like
Speaker 1: trade rumors and like having to make these big like
Speaker 1: way a sign guys, and some guys don't handle it well.
Speaker 1: And I wonder, like you these are young players that
Speaker 1: maybe aren't dealing well with like having to make these
Speaker 1: big decisions.
Speaker 2: It's like the it's like the NBA free agency or
Speaker 2: NBA trade deadlines like woj bombs and you know what's
Speaker 2: Sham's reporting, right, I think something else. I'm looking forward
Speaker 2: to them, uh, to see what they do with the pairings,
Speaker 2: because it's, you know, going back to what we were
Speaker 2: saying about practice rounds like taking dicey too. They like
Speaker 2: to do some cheeky shit, right, Remember when they did
Speaker 2: the fat pairing of years.
Speaker 1: Ago Burly Boys.
Speaker 2: That was outrageous.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be amazing if they put Rory
Speaker 1: with Phil or JT with Phil, like you know, the
Speaker 1: guys that have just like just like demolished Phil and
Speaker 1: they put them with them, like, it'd be pretty pretty
Speaker 1: mean spirited. But hey, I just thought of a name. Hideki.
Speaker 1: Is he hurt? I don't know.
Speaker 2: How long ago. Does it feel like that Hideki hit
Speaker 2: that three wood at that's Sony? I mean that feels
Speaker 2: like it was four years ago. It's true, it's less
Speaker 2: than five months ago.
Speaker 1: And that's like the thing is, like you talk about
Speaker 1: a guy that doesn't this really accurate tea de Green,
Speaker 1: great iron player, a little bit balky putter. Maybe this
Speaker 1: is a spot sung Jay, same thing. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: I think one of the footholds of of this live.
Speaker 1: They obviously have the Asian Tour, Yeah, but if they
Speaker 1: pick off some of the like the big names of Asia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Takumi Kanaya thinks of that like, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like you know what, you know, if Hideki the tour
Speaker 1: then loses kind of a lot of its global presence,
Speaker 1: Hitdeki might be the biggest name that nobody's talking.
Speaker 2: Or the CJ Cup becomes a hell of a lot
Speaker 2: less valuable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you don't have the big name players, right,
Speaker 1: And that's like it's it's in it's hard to do
Speaker 1: these this pod right now and talk about like the
Speaker 1: player analysis without that being the second part of it. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like how is this guy gonna compete out here?
Speaker 2: But you know, also this what's your winning score?
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like they've we've gotten into like
Speaker 1: the six to ten range.
Speaker 2: Exactly where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so what Like I've heard though from
Speaker 1: numerous people and having played out there, that this is
Speaker 1: like legitimately the hardest with Shinnakok the hardest golf course.
Speaker 1: So if if we're gonna get an even par tournament,
Speaker 1: it's this is a place like like Shinnecock that will
Speaker 1: get it. It's just really depends on like how how
Speaker 1: much they want to push it. I think if they
Speaker 1: push it and put it close to the edge, it
Speaker 1: will be that type of of a test like that,
Speaker 1: that'll be the type of you know, scory that you'll get.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna check my weather app to see what we're
Speaker 2: gonna get.
Speaker 1: What. Yeah, you've got You've got the primo weather app.
Speaker 1: And you're a big weather guy.
Speaker 2: Huge weather guy. But yeah, like, well so all right,
Speaker 2: while I'm looking that up, what how many things? Like
Speaker 2: what are your five things?
Speaker 1: I think, which which ones?
Speaker 2: Have we covered?
Speaker 1: We've got we got live, we got the course? Uh
Speaker 1: can somebody get to in a year? And then I
Speaker 1: had Rory and Speith and I think just the young guys,
Speaker 1: Like I think there are a lot of guys and
Speaker 1: this is almost like a storyline because of the way
Speaker 1: golf is and we we've I've talked about it before,
Speaker 1: but like, we have a lot of young guys that
Speaker 1: are really highly ranked that have never done ship in
Speaker 1: a major, like Hovelin's one of them. Patrick Cantley is
Speaker 1: the ultimate case here. He's number he's number three in
Speaker 1: the world.
Speaker 2: Empty catlories man, and.
Speaker 1: You start to go down the list, and it's like
Speaker 1: Sam Burns obviously, like it's hard because there's these guys
Speaker 1: are having such success so young, and it's like they
Speaker 1: have such a small sample size. But you know another
Speaker 1: guy that has hasn't really done much in a major
Speaker 1: in a Whiles Xander. You know he's up there high
Speaker 1: in the rankings.
Speaker 2: Doing lately, yes, even on tour. What's his Billy.
Speaker 1: Horshel's one right, Billy has never done anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: it'd be great to see Billy outside of Marion, you know,
Speaker 1: which was a long time ago. Play. Well, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of back in on Billy.
Speaker 2: I mean, Billy's like he's an acquired taste, but he's
Speaker 2: also it's just better when Billy's involved. It's he's just
Speaker 2: such an outrageous.
Speaker 1: He's a content man machine.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: He's throwing clubs. He's gonna you know, he's gonna be saying, oh, Billy, he's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be talking way too much in the post round presser.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I was playing with a tour player
Speaker 1: and I asked him, like, who's who's Like when you
Speaker 1: see the draw come out, who's your least favorite guy
Speaker 1: to see in your group and goes, oh, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: Billy just never shuts up. It's just and I just
Speaker 1: can't handle that. Like he's I think Billy games people
Speaker 1: without knowing he's gaming people. Is the thing, Like that's
Speaker 1: why he should be on just why he should be
Speaker 1: on these Ryder Cup teams. Is that nobody he doesn't
Speaker 1: He's not even intentionally doing it, like the oh, buddy,
Speaker 1: it's the buddy, say Bud, I mean he won and
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, thanks buddy, you know, like.
Speaker 2: You kind of sold me on Xander. You know, we'll
Speaker 2: throw out the Byron Nelson jas that was an absolute travesty.
Speaker 2: But he finished tea by there T thirteen at Southern
Speaker 2: Hills T eighteen Memorial. Like he's he's playing good golf.
Speaker 2: I think he he's one of those guys that like
Speaker 2: he drives it really well, good iron player, can play creatively.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's his time.
Speaker 1: It would it would Internet critics would be you know, Anders,
Speaker 1: Xanders like a hot topic. He's like a it's one
Speaker 1: of those like how do you he's like a Democrat Republican?
Speaker 1: How do you feel about Xander?
Speaker 2: Middle crowd Xanderman be like gun control gay marriage or
Speaker 2: something like that. It's just like a wedge issue, right.
Speaker 1: That is a hot topic in America in American golf.
Speaker 1: Is how do you feel about Xander Schoff. I'm on
Speaker 1: the on the side of, like, you can't contend in
Speaker 1: this many majors and not be really a great player.
Speaker 1: And but then there's like he doesn't he doesn't close
Speaker 1: things out, he wins these small events. Is the is
Speaker 1: the backside of it?
Speaker 2: I think Hovelin, I'm ready for Hoblind to like should
Speaker 2: or get off the pot a little bit.
Speaker 1: This could be actually a great Hobland course.
Speaker 2: Because it's neutering the chipping issues. Yeah, yeah, the through negating.
Speaker 1: And like you talk about, Hobland is an extraordinary driver
Speaker 1: of the golf ball without being extraordinarily long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I think, Uh, all right, who do you
Speaker 2: think freaks out like Hatton? Is he going to make
Speaker 2: it three for three on because somebody's gonna freak out
Speaker 2: about some of the like some of the pins are
Speaker 2: going to be outrageous just because there's no other options. Uh.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think the fairway on nine going
Speaker 2: into the into the pond, and then there's a couple
Speaker 2: holes where like your ball.
Speaker 1: False run on, roll down on what is it? Eight?
Speaker 1: Faalse front on eight could do it? Uh, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the list here. I mean, we haven't even talked
Speaker 1: about Kopka. I don't even know what.
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with Ka. I never
Speaker 2: know what to do with Kopka.
Speaker 1: I would you know?
Speaker 2: I'm liking JT more and more.
Speaker 1: I'd love to see Kevin Nah freak out goes to live.
Speaker 1: He's He's the head of the Ironheads. I'd love to
Speaker 1: see a Kevin nah freak out. I always love seeing
Speaker 1: Kevin freak out at Aaron Hills. Remember he did the
Speaker 1: crawling out of the rough thing thirsty Kevin. That could
Speaker 1: be my pick, I mean, for a freak out, who
Speaker 1: would you? Bryson could be ripe for one.
Speaker 2: I don't even think Bryson's engaged enough right now or like,
Speaker 2: I don't think his expectations are like to go out
Speaker 2: and win something like this, You know, I would say,
Speaker 2: I think I think my money's on Billy or Hat
Speaker 2: and just keep that train rolling.
Speaker 1: Billy could who's your pick to win? You've been hot,
Speaker 1: You're you're like a on a on a true heater.
Speaker 2: Pick and winners just all over the place.
Speaker 1: You might get the form of golf's foremost you know,
Speaker 1: gaming expert. At this point, I.
Speaker 2: Even picked picked plays four guys this week, and I
Speaker 2: you know, I picked I picked Lynn Grant for Randy.
Speaker 2: Lynn Grant's leading in the Scandinavian Mixed. Uh the other
Speaker 2: guy that we haven't talked about. I think this is
Speaker 2: a good course for p really yeah, you know, good
Speaker 2: driver the golf ball. Now that he's out out of
Speaker 2: the PXG stable, he's got that grind Works in the bag,
Speaker 2: Like what.
Speaker 1: How is he using a grind Works driver?
Speaker 2: The fact that he have a PXG sponsorship without a
Speaker 2: single PXG club in the bag was remarkable. I'm going
Speaker 2: Fleetwood taking Fleetwood. Yeah, Tommy, Tommy boy, how about you?
Speaker 1: Uh well, I've got Scheffler still, I haven't picked him
Speaker 1: for my one and done lake. That's I'm not one
Speaker 1: and done. All my text are based around what I've done.
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I you know, obviously all around talent,
Speaker 1: but I think, I mean, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of chance in this tournament because of just breaks like
Speaker 1: you know lies.
Speaker 2: It looks like we're gonna get some wind. Thursday, Thursday
Speaker 2: and Friday, but not a whole lot on the weekend
Speaker 2: the GFT.
Speaker 1: So do you think the wind comes with water on
Speaker 1: the greens?
Speaker 2: I hope not. God, I hope that nothing pisses me
Speaker 2: off more than them throwing water on the greens overnight
Speaker 2: or you know, first thing in the evening.
Speaker 1: You might be out there first thing in the morning monitoring.
Speaker 2: Be like the Buddhist monk, like letting myself on fire
Speaker 2: on the green. So they don't, they don't, they can't
Speaker 2: water it.
Speaker 1: Did you get to five things?
Speaker 2: I mean, we're I think I did. I like Pairings
Speaker 2: Lady Jay, ninth fair Way, Mike Wan Presser, and then
Speaker 2: that was kind of my four things, and then just fourteen.
Speaker 1: It could be will Zalataurus again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be trill time. It's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: where are you staying?
Speaker 1: We're in Cambridge, Okay, it's hard to you know, it
Speaker 1: was hard to find a house. Yeah, close by, we're
Speaker 1: the Precision Pro House, the house the range Finders built
Speaker 1: in Cambridge. It was hard to find something in in Brookline.
Speaker 2: It's uh, I think we're in Brookline Village, the Hilton
Speaker 2: Garden in Fancy. Yeah, I'm a Marriott guy. So it
Speaker 2: pains me to go to the Hilton Garden in but uh,
Speaker 2: you know we should we should meet in North End
Speaker 2: or something one night for yeah, break some bread. Some
Speaker 2: good places there, some great, great restaurants are in Cambridge,
Speaker 2: in Summerville. That's kind of where all the really good
Speaker 2: stuff is.
Speaker 1: I mean, Brendan's returning to Boston. This is a this
Speaker 1: is a Boston Boston college. You know, a notorious alum
Speaker 1: returning to Boston for the you know, first time in
Speaker 1: a while.
Speaker 2: He's on shaky ground, doesn't alum though, because I know
Speaker 2: he was a big you know, Steve Dazio guy, you.
Speaker 1: Know, content it could be a contentious exactly. Now he's
Speaker 1: just uh, he's a he's a Capitol Hill guy down there,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Beltway golfer belt a Just is he taking me a
Speaker 2: sella up? Is he taking the train up?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think he's flying, you know
Speaker 1: when he might have a kid in a bag. You know,
Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: So great airport. I like logan, it's good airport.
Speaker 1: I don't like how far you got to go together
Speaker 1: in an uber.
Speaker 2: Yeah from the Yeah, and then like if you want
Speaker 2: to take the train, you got to like get on
Speaker 2: the one train to go over to the other train.
Speaker 2: That's tough.
Speaker 1: What I appreciate is the proximity to the town exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing worse than that's like the dark
Speaker 1: stain on uh on on Denver.
Speaker 2: Oh, don't even get me starts on Denver, like the
Speaker 2: light people. The Illuminati needs to get their ship figured out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this, you know, one day we'll we'll we'll
Speaker 1: chop up airports. I feel like, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: there's a lot of takes. You know, there's nowhere worse
Speaker 1: than Dallas.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, Dallas is awful. It's awful. I mean, Dallas, Charlotte, Miami,
Speaker 2: those are bad airports. They're all they're all American homes.
Speaker 1: Miamis Yeah, there's bad. All right. This is great, great
Speaker 1: catching up. Haven't had you on the pod in a while,
Speaker 1: And we'll look for you in Boston and follow all
Speaker 1: the great stuff you guys are doing at the laying up.
Speaker 2: So thank you for having me. This is fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to another edition of the Fridagg Podcast.
Speaker 1: Today's episode was edited by the wonderful Meg Atkins. And
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