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Speaker 1: CBS eleven. Dallas Police are looking for a missing woman

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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Joffe Ellis, psychologist, adjunct professor at Columbia University.

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Speaker 1: She is at Debbie Joffe Ellis dot com. Former police

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Speaker 1: Investigations and polygraph dot com. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.

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Speaker 1: Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon Now, the

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Speaker 1: Liaison's Joseph Scott Morgan. But first to Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave mac Dave MC, this twenty three

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Speaker 1: Where she went was an arcade. She was in an

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Speaker 1: simple to kind of track that information down. And that's

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Speaker 1: going to be a big key here. You know, who

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Speaker 1: the hell you're going to call at that time of

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Speaker 1: the morning, or well somebody else calling it. And also

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Speaker 1: you combine that information would say, for instance, where the

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Speaker 1: phone was paying at that particular time, you know, get

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Speaker 1: that triangulated space in there, try to find out where

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Speaker 1: geograph ethically, the phone, not her, but the phone is

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00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: located when it does ring. Okay, Jackie's telling me that

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Speaker 1: is a shadow in the picture. It is one full dress,

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Speaker 1: a purple dress. Now that you're saying that in another photo,

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00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: I can see it's a dress, a solid purple, deep purple,

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00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: kind of a metallic looking dress. So we know her

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Speaker 1: phone is still working at four am. I'm curious do

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00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: we know to Dave mac Weather, cops are have continued

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00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: to triangulate it after the night she went missing. Where

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Speaker 1: was it used at four am? Was it there near

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00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: the bar. We absolutely know nothing from the police with

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Speaker 1: regard to that phone. Nancy, we got that information from

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00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: the end Vanestlie to steal. She's the one who said

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00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: she was able to access the phone and her snapchat

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00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: and other things. We're not getting that from the police.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Marisella Botello's family tells Dayline

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Speaker 1: that the twenty three year old went missing on the

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00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: last night of her trip, Sunday, October fourth. Her aunt says,

448
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: because it was her last night in Dallas, Betela wanted

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00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: to go out, but the ex boyfriend wanted to stay home,

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00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: so she went alone. Betela didn't return to her ex

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00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: boyfriend's house that night. Worried, he called her parents. Her belongings,

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00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: except for her cell phone and debit card, are still there.

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00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Botela's father and aunt flew to Dallas to file a

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Speaker 1: missing person's report. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys are

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Speaker 1: talking about the disappearance of a gorgeous young girl, Marisella Betela,

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Speaker 1: age twenty three tipline two one four six seven one

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Speaker 1: four two six eight repeat two one four six seven

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Speaker 1: one four two six eight. Where is Marasella interesting? Straight

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Speaker 1: out to Chris Buyers, Foreign Police Chief John's Creek now

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Speaker 1: PI Chief Buyers. The reality is I believe if the

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Speaker 1: ex boyfriend had anything to do with Marcella's disappearance, he

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Speaker 1: would not be calling her parents and raising the alarm

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Speaker 1: that she's missing. Yeah, totally agree with that, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure investigators he's the first person that they looked into.

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Speaker 1: Just like if you get a call to a home

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Speaker 1: of a missing child, the first thing you do is

467
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: you search their bedroom and then you work your way out.

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00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: The same thing with suspects. You find those closest to

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00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 1: him who had contacts, and you begin to work your

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Speaker 1: way out. But I would completely agree that it makes

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Speaker 1: him sound like he is not a suspect. I'm very curious.

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00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: I get the sense that this case is not a

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Speaker 1: priority there with the Dallas PD, and I don't know

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Speaker 1: why we're finding out more from the family than we're

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Speaker 1: finding out from police. I mean, if she's caught on

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Speaker 1: video leaving the arcade after one hour with a guy

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Speaker 1: that is not the boyfriend, then who's the guy? Can't

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Speaker 1: we tell from credit card receives or transactions or close

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Speaker 1: circuit TV inside the arcade who she was with? Who

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Speaker 1: she shuck up a conversation with. Can't we get an

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Speaker 1: idea of how tall he is, how much he weighs,

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Speaker 1: what color he is, what color his hair is, what

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Speaker 1: he was wearing. I mean, Joe Scott Morgan. It's not

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Speaker 1: rocket science, Okay. For instance, if Jackie were walking out

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Speaker 1: of the studio door right now, and I took a

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Speaker 1: picture of it, I could then measure the door and

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00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: figure out exactly how tall, exactly how tall Jackie is.

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00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: I could then figure out how much she weighed. I

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Speaker 1: could see what color she is, what color her hair is.

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Speaker 1: There's gotta be cameras inside that arcade. Why aren't we

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Speaker 1: hearing about who this guy is? Well, you're absolutely right. However,

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Speaker 1: oh there you go. I gotta say, Nancy, I don't

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Speaker 1: put a lot of faith in CCTV footage, particularly when

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Speaker 1: it comes to being inside of a bar. All right.

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00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: You know we talked about David Busters or places like

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00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: that earlier. Yeah, you got TV screens that are up,

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00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: and you've got ambient light that's coming off. But for

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00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: the most part, there's a lot of dark areas in there,

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00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: so it's really hard to pick up on specific details. However,

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Speaker 1: you know, what I wonder watching what you're saying. I

501
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: don't like it because think about the case of Savannah Spurlock.

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Speaker 1: Remember she walked out and we see the purp Okay,

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00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: think about wrong Way, Lois Reese. She was spotted in

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Speaker 1: many establishments on surveillance video at darkened bars, as you

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00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: were saying, and I could clearly see her sitting at

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Speaker 1: a bar chatting up her next victim, a doppel gang

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00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: or that looks a lot like her, Lois Reese. Yeah,

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00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: it's not perfect. It's not at you know, a portrait studio.

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00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 1: But I can see if the person is white, black,

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00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: maybe I can tell more about them based on where

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00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: they're standing or sitting. I can tell how tall they are.

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00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: I can tell if it's a man or a woman.

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00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: I can tell what color their hair is, what generally

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00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: they're wearing. Come on, why are you? Why are you

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00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: whipping out on me? J Scott Morgan, Well, you know

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00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to give you somebody to beat up on

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00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: here today. Nancy. Yeah, hell, I gotta tell. I mean,

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00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: don't you remember that Survellis video of Tom mom JC

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00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: Anthony buying the push up bras and the beer while

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00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: I was missing that was great Survillis video. Plus you

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00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: used it for a check. Well, yeah, and you can

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00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: tie those things back together. And wouldn't it be interesting

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00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: that if you had a time stamp on this CCTV footage,

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00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: if there was, you could look back to all of say,

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00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,240
Speaker 1: for instance, the transactions electronic transaction that took place in

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00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: that bar at that specific time. You know, we're handing

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00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: over your card, you're using it, and you can kind

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00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: of pair those up. Now back to the physical description, Yeah,

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00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: you can come up with maybe a generalized description of

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00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: the individuals. If the footage is not good. You can

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00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: do height. You can even do like width of shoulders.

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00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: You know, you can talk about hair color. Now you're

533
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: telling me something. Don't make me hold you in contipt,

534
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. You know it's serious when I say, Joseph,

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00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: you're right. You can tell with the shoulders, you know

536
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: the truth. You can tell shoe size, you certainly can

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00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah, by the relative space of everything else.

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00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: Let's say, for instance, that we have a marker, for instance,

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00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: like a bar stool, Well, we know what type of

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00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: bar stool that is, and we can look at that

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00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: and we understand the width between the legs. Say, for instance,

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00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: if the tube in this instance is immediately adjacent to that,

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00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: you can do kind of a compare and contrast here,

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00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: what's going to put us in the ballpark? And so yeah,

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00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: that's quite possible. And this goes back to this practice

546
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: with in forensics, it's called biometrics. You know, you hear

547
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: about it relative to the face, where you can police

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00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: dimensions off and it's very specific, but you can also

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00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: biometrically evaluate an individual by these dimensions of their body

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00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: arm linked, shoulder, shoulder with even way sauce to a

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00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: certain to a certain degree. Take a listen to this.

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00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: During the search for Marisella Botella, the family has been

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00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: able to access her email, social media and bank accounts.

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00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 1: They discovered a lifter re seat showing she was dropped

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00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: off on Elm Street in the Deep Elam area just

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00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: after midnight on Monday, October fifth. Herrant Denesse La Castillo

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00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: says security video from outside the Select Start bar shows

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00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: an unknown man who they believe to be the person

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00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: Botela left the bar with at one fifteen am. Botella's

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00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: camera roll and Snapchat account have pictures of her wearing

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00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: a purple dress the same dress seen in the surveillance video.

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00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: Did he buy her a drink? Did he slip GHB

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00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: in the drink? What many people think happened to for instance,

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00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: Natalie Holloway, Josh S. Gott Morgan. What does gama hydroxybuterated

565
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: to your system? That's something that we refer to as

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00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,479
Speaker 1: a hypnotic nancy. It can actually drive your system down

567
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: and your awareness of your surroundings so that the individual

568
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: almost becomes in a zombie like condition. They're easily easily manipulated.

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Speaker 1: You can guide them around almost like a small child.

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00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: Some people and in many cases find themselves losing total consciousness,

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00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: but they still haven't awareness. There are any number of

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00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: stories out there where these poor women that are applied

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00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: with the strug will kind of have this moment where

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00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: they come to and they realize can you imagine this

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00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: where they realize they're actually being sexually assaulted and there's

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00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 1: nothing they can do about it. It's almost like their

577
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: limbs are frozen. It almost works like a sedative that

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00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: would be applied to somebody prior to surgery. You know,

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00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: when you're ramping up into anesthesia, you know what you're

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00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: saying reminds me of what many of Bill Cosby's victims

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00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: said how they felt after he had given them a qualude.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that, Joe Scott? Yes, I do, Nancy,

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00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: And it works much the same way, only now with

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Speaker 1: this generation of drugs. You know you commonly here refer

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00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: too as we're hibb and all. It's much much more

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00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: fast acting. And keep this in mind, it's odorless, it's colorless,

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00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: and it can be applied in liquids. So if you

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00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: take this and you just put the smallest dropper amount

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00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: into a drink, so you're just kind of cruising up

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00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: beside her at the bar, you drop this into her

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00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: drink that she's sipping on. She's not going to have

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00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: an awareness that this thing that's going to hit her.

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00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: But the individual is using this is practiced at it, Nancy.

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00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: They're practiced at it, so they can actually almost predict

595
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: what is going to happen in this short period of Tom.

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00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: Now they've got their arm around her almost it looks

597
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: like they're in an intimate setting together because the person's

598
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: not fighting that you know that he's embracing at that moment, Tom,

599
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: and you can literally walk him out the door to

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Speaker 1: doctor W. Joffe Ella, Psychologist, Professor, Columbia University, Doctor Debbie,

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00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: there's also the possibility that this guy was charming and

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00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: she felt safe leaving with him. That is a great possibility.

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00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: You know, people who have psychopathic tendencies can be incredibly charming.

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00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 1: And if someone there is in a state of I

605
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: want to have fun, they're not going to think things

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00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: through or necessarily be suspicious. They're charmed. So yeah, that

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00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: is a likelihood. And the reality is she is a

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00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: young girl. She's just twenty three years old, out in

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00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 1: a strange city, not her home, although she's traveled a lot. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: George Bernard Shure that has once wrote used his waisted

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00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: on the young, And I know when I was young,

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00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, you feel you can tend to feel invincible.

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00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: You don't think ahead of what might happen, you know,

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00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: true orris were never spoken, Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis. And

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00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about her all dressed up in her a

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00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: cute little purple dress that night, going out to see

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Speaker 1: the town. Where is this girl? Marisella Bateello to applyne

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Speaker 1: two on four six seven one two sixty eight. We

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Speaker 1: wait as justice unfalse Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off

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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,