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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday. We have an amazing show for everybody today.

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Speaker 1: What do we have, Grissel, indeed we do. We got

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Speaker 1: Zenjilani on. He actually has a fantastic mini doc about

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Speaker 1: a pharmaceutical plant that is closing down in West Virginia

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Speaker 1: with deep ties to the Mansion family. A lot to

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Speaker 1: get into with him on that. New details about how

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Speaker 1: the FBI botched their investigation into the serial predator Larry Nasser,

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Speaker 1: who was of course a longtime doctor of the USA

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Speaker 1: gymnastics team. Just horrific details there. We also have new

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Speaker 1: voices both left and right, calling for intervention in Cuba

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Speaker 1: also have George W. Bush and some comments on Afghanistan.

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Speaker 1: We're going to dig into the numbers on inflation, what's real,

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Speaker 1: what do you need to be concerned about? What is

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Speaker 1: not real? But we wanted to start with this gigantic

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Speaker 1: reconciliation package, the details of which we are now just

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Speaker 1: starting to get and Soager I think the way to

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Speaker 1: think about this is really as like the opening bid,

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Speaker 1: because this is what's being put out by Biden and

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Speaker 1: Schumer and Bernie Sanders and Mark Warner. They're the ones

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Speaker 1: who are prominently involved in sort of negotiating this initial

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Speaker 1: package deal. We don't know what the right wing Democrats

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Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what kind of a sort of

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Speaker 1: is the opening bid, and we're just starting to get

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Speaker 1: the details here of what they're looking at. So here's

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Speaker 1: some of what is included. We can throw this Axios

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Speaker 1: half trillion dollars here, which is no small amount. It's

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Speaker 1: not the six trillion that Bernie and the Progressives were

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Speaker 1: lot that is included right now in these negotiations and

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Speaker 1: what has been put forward to start with, You've got

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Speaker 1: paid family leave. You've got an extension of that child

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Speaker 1: people's accounts today literally sizeable, you know, significant benefit helps

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Speaker 1: childhood poverty. Probably reduced childhood poverty by somewhere around a third.

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Speaker 1: You have money for a civilian climate core. That was

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Speaker 1: significant expansion of benefits there. On the climate change front,

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Speaker 1: I sort of feel like with some of these things,

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Speaker 1: away from the larger picture here, which is this package

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Speaker 1: as it stands is truly significant. It Is it everything

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Speaker 1: want to say. Is it a significant shift? Would it

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Speaker 1: put a lot of money in the hands of working

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Speaker 1: class people? Yes? It would. Would it help in terms

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Speaker 1: terms of education wise to have universal pre K and

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Speaker 1: Remember we covered that Exxon lobbyists who revealed their whole

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Speaker 1: you know, will it ultimately be what it's being presented

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Speaker 1: right now? Probably not, but this is a pretty significant

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Speaker 1: starting place. No. Absolutely. Let's take a listen with Bernie

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Speaker 1: The American people have seen very rich getting richer government

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Speaker 1: development policies which allow them to pay in some cases

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Speaker 1: other things, that those days are gone. The wealthy and

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Speaker 1: large corporations are going to start paying their fair share

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Speaker 1: in this country. So this is where I have to,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately be the Debbie downer for everybody. You can see this. Also,

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Speaker 1: Joe Manchin is already speaking up, you know, to your point,

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Speaker 1: let's put this up there, which is that while he's

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Speaker 1: but boy does he have thoughts on climate saying you

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Speaker 1: can't be moving towards eliminating fossil fuels. It's unclear exactly

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Speaker 1: what that means, and by and large, I see. Look,

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Speaker 1: it's like you said, remember this the American Rescue Plan

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Speaker 1: that had a fifteen dollars minimum wage in it, and

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Speaker 1: then it wasn't ultimately in the plan. The pro Act,

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Speaker 1: which makes it enforceable, like finding people that's not allowed

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Speaker 1: actually that's the one piece that I think could get through.

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Speaker 1: that violate labor standards and violate workers' rights to unionize,

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Speaker 1: things like rolling back right to work across you know,

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Speaker 1: like basically eliminating right to work across the country. That

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Speaker 1: probably can't make it in and some of the other

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Speaker 1: The proact also allows more militant like striking and organizing

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Speaker 1: I described it previously. And immigration reform is another one

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Speaker 1: It is possible there are elements of immigration that you

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Speaker 1: I think there's some good social welfare elements to the bill,

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Speaker 1: and I think those very likely will pass. Those will

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Speaker 1: you were saying with a clean energy standard, almost no

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Speaker 1: chance the carbon tariff. I mean, look, you know, if

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Speaker 1: that's what I need to do to get d having China, fine,

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Speaker 1: which sunrise and all those people like to ignore all

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Speaker 1: these bills by the August reconciliation, which is very very

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Speaker 1: have to sign it. I see so many roadblocks ahead

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Speaker 1: so that the prices should ultimately ease. So it looks

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Speaker 1: like that's what's going on here. We will definitely keep

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Speaker 1: our eye on it and see if it becomes troubling.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing is, you know, sometimes you also

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Speaker 1: have to look at who it is that's sounding the

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Speaker 1: alarm on these types of numbers and figures, and what

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Speaker 1: is their track record in terms of the economy, and

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Speaker 1: they're just past decision making. Unfortunately, Larry Summers has continued

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Speaker 1: to be sought after both by the press for Commentublicans

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Speaker 1: love to use you know, he makes these comments about

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Speaker 1: ambebtion right Republicans and Fox and he even Democrat Larry Summers,

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Speaker 1: and they love to ask politicians about well, your Democratic

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Speaker 1: friend Larry Summers says, inflation is a problem. This guy

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Speaker 1: has also been extraordinarily wrong throughout much of his tenure

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Speaker 1: in Washington. I mean, this is a guy who was,

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Speaker 1: you know, linked into the free trade the bad free

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Speaker 1: trade deals of the nineties. Just to give you a

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Speaker 1: sense here, I pulled this paragraph that kind of sums

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Speaker 1: it up from an Atlantic profile of him. So says

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Speaker 1: a government official, he helped author a series of ultimately

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Speaker 1: disastrous to wrongheaded policies, from his big deregulatory moves as

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Speaker 1: a Clinton admin apparatchick to his two tepid response to

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Speaker 1: Great Recession. As Obama's chief economic advisor, he pushed a

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Speaker 1: stimulants that was too meek, and along with his chief

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Speaker 1: ally Tim Geitner, helped ensure millions of desperate mortgage holders

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Speaker 1: would stay underwater by failing to support a cram down

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Speaker 1: that would have allowed firal bankruptcy judges to reduce bank

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Speaker 1: mortgage balances, cut interest rate, and LinkedIn the ter of loans.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, he was supporting every single bailout

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Speaker 1: of financial firms. All of that left the economy to

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Speaker 1: struggle for years and years and years. So on the

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Speaker 1: big economic decisions of our time, Larry Summers was frequently

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Speaker 1: at the table, a key player in those decisions, making

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Speaker 1: the wrong calls. So important to look at the track

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Speaker 1: record of the person that everyone's listening to on this

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Speaker 1: inflation stuff. And we just had a report that he

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Speaker 1: was just at the White House advising Joe Biden, which is,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why you would allow this guy back

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Speaker 1: in given how wrong he has been and how often.

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Speaker 1: The reason why is that frankly, there's not a lot

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Speaker 1: of economic literacy. People look at the top line and

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Speaker 1: look me too. I was like, oh, man, five percent.

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Speaker 1: I was like, was I wrong? I was like, what's

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Speaker 1: happening here? Okay, so I dig a little more deeping.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, so this is all about use cars.

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Speaker 1: This seems like a pretty it seems like a pretty

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Speaker 1: easy explanation, which is we have a horrific supply shot

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Speaker 1: on the semiconductor side, and people really want cars because

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Speaker 1: a lot of people have a lot of money, and

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Speaker 1: so they're buying use cars and they want to go

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Speaker 1: out and go. Okay, I mean that makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense to me. I mean it's just like you

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Speaker 1: said with the oil situation, we had a pandemic. Nobody

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Speaker 1: was driving that so opek, the oil producers cut supply

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Speaker 1: and they just haven't readjusted. I mean, makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense, right, just like you go down these lists

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Speaker 1: laundry machines, it's not that laundry machines got more expensive.

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Speaker 1: It's that we have a massive global backlog of shipping

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Speaker 1: and because in America we don't make anything anymore, you

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Speaker 1: have to actually pay a large shipping premium in order

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Speaker 1: to get everything from China, and we have a huge

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Speaker 1: shortage of shipping containers, which is driving up the prices

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Speaker 1: of things like furniture. How do you exactly do you

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Speaker 1: think wayfair and overstock and all those places keep their

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Speaker 1: prices so cheap because they don't make anything here. I mean,

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Speaker 1: once again, whenever you throw the economy out of whack

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Speaker 1: for a year and a half and then you try

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Speaker 1: to dial up right back to the exact same level

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Speaker 1: of demand, if not more so, like we're seeing in

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Speaker 1: the travel industry, prices are going to shoot through the roof. Again,

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Speaker 1: has zero to do with a lot of what's been printed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, even from that extent that it does. It's

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Speaker 1: about demand that comes from people having money in their pockets,

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Speaker 1: which is a good thing. We have record consumables in

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Speaker 1: this country around I'm seeing stuff around clothes, people buying

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Speaker 1: more clothes than ever before. They're like ready to go

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Speaker 1: to get they're ready to get out. Is back sneak

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Speaker 1: your heads are having a bomb time, like it's a

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Speaker 1: whole It's a bonanza out there in terms you know

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Speaker 1: what good you know, especially if you make your stuff here.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. People are having fun. So I think from

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Speaker 1: that perspective, we all just need to put we need

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Speaker 1: to read a little bit deeper into what's happening. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we're gonna get a lot of push back,

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Speaker 1: yeah goldbugs on this, but look, you can't dispute it.

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Speaker 1: Look at the data. Data says it's about used cars.

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Speaker 1: Sorry guys. Yeah, And I do think that just intuitively,

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Speaker 1: like zooming back out a little bit, I think intuitively

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Speaker 1: it makes sense to a lot of people that after

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Speaker 1: a year when you had such an insane shock and

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Speaker 1: everything dialed down and everything shut down, and people in

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Speaker 1: their homes and you know, this demand dramatically reduced. It

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Speaker 1: makes sense that as things reopen here and in some

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Speaker 1: places around the world, that there'll be some bumps along

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Speaker 1: the way and some of these supply shortages and shocks

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Speaker 1: and all of this, and that will take some time

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Speaker 1: for the economy to catch up to where people are

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Speaker 1: right now. So I think intuitively that just makes sense. Hey,

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Speaker 1: show notes. You know, speaking of people who are wrong

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Speaker 1: about the scene here what I said there, the press

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Speaker 1: continue wants them. Let's go and see what our heroic

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Speaker 1: former president George W. Bush. He's opened his mouth for

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Speaker 1: the first time in a long time. So George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush is very concerned that Joe Biden is withdrawing troops

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Speaker 1: from Afghanistan. So he tells a German broadcaster quote, I

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Speaker 1: consequences are going to be unbelievably bad and sad. And

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Speaker 1: he speaks specifically about girls. He says, it just seems

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Speaker 1: like they're going to be left behind to be slaughtered

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Speaker 1: by those very brutal people. And it breaks my heart.

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Speaker 1: And I have a lot to say about this, which

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Speaker 1: is that if only George W. Bush had had the

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Speaker 1: same broken heart about the thousands of American soldiers who

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Speaker 1: were killed in Iraq because of his policies, and then

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Speaker 1: the thousands more who were killed in Afghanistan because he

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Speaker 1: kept them there for an indeterminate mission and then required

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Speaker 1: multiple presidents to have to go in and clean his men.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps we could have shown some compassion for those people,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the civilians and many others who were

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Speaker 1: killed in the ensuing violence and more. There is nothing

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Speaker 1: about this pisces me off to the highest degree to

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Speaker 1: watch these generals and these warmongers, and especially people like

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Speaker 1: Bush who got us in this mess in the first place,

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Speaker 1: weaponize people's good hearts and empathy. Listen, it's a tragedy

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Speaker 1: about what's happening in Afghanistan to Afghan women. But it's

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Speaker 1: not our fault and it's not our problem. We spent

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Speaker 1: over one hundred million dollars trying to protect Afghan girls.

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Speaker 1: The Taliban is stronger today than they were when we

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Speaker 1: invaded in two thousand and one. Think about how much

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Speaker 1: of a failure that is. And we have spent one

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Speaker 1: hundred billion dollars trying to build up the native capacity

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Speaker 1: of the Afghan national security forces, who by their own admission,

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Speaker 1: have problems with child sexual abuse within their ranks, which

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Speaker 1: we were complicit in and tried to silence back in

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. So look, it's a messy situation. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how else to say it. And if George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush wants to resume or I guess legally he can so.

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Speaker 1: If him his brother wants to run on a position

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Speaker 1: of going to go and protect Afghan girls to the

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Speaker 1: tune of hundreds of billions of dollars and you know,

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Speaker 1: American soldiers and lives, he is welcome to do so,

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Speaker 1: and he'll get shot down by the American public. Like

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Speaker 1: the tone deafness on this stuff is just so absolutely

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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable that this man is even considered a authority

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Speaker 1: in anything. And you know, it's one of those terrible

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Speaker 1: situations where because he's affable and polite, everybody overlooks the

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Speaker 1: fact Iraq was bad. Guys. I mean, we're not supposed

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Speaker 1: to just move on from these things. It was the

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Speaker 1: worst foreign policy disaster in probably American history in terms

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Speaker 1: of we brought it upon ourselves, didn't even get slow

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Speaker 1: walked into anything. And we look at how he has

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Speaker 1: the goal to be like like, oh, this is a

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Speaker 1: disaster and criticizing the current president on this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: this is one place where I will I will defend

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Speaker 1: Biden to the death in terms of you know, and

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Speaker 1: he's been right on this. He's been very clear about him.

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Speaker 1: He's ultimately been consistent, and kudos to him. And that

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Speaker 1: is no easy feat. We've seen the way that the

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Speaker 1: national security state will do anything to undermine you when

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Speaker 1: it comes to winding down any of these conflicts. The

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Speaker 1: only reason anyone should be listening to what George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush has to say on foreign policy is to do

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Speaker 1: the opposite, right, That's the only like, what is this

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Speaker 1: idiot who did everything wrong in a horrific and unconscionable way.

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Speaker 1: What is he saying maybe we should probably do the

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Speaker 1: opposite of whatever it is he is ultimately saying. But

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Speaker 1: you're right because not only because he's like affable and

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Speaker 1: he's friends with Michelle Obama and Ellen DeGeneres and whatever,

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Speaker 1: but he also got held up and lionized as like well,

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Speaker 1: even George W. Bush says that Trump is but you know,

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Speaker 1: like as the good Trump is great there, like, we

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Speaker 1: don't have to rehab this guy's reputation in order to

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Speaker 1: oppose Trump. You don't have to do that, guys. And

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Speaker 1: yet that's exactly what's been done. So now he's in

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Speaker 1: a position where we have to listen to his terrible

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Speaker 1: ideas on Afghanistan. I love how now he's this like

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Speaker 1: internationalist humanitarian caring about the women and girls of Afghanistan,

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Speaker 1: Like what about the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians

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Speaker 1: that are dead because of your war? What about them?

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Speaker 1: You know, where was your humanitarian like your big hearted humanitarianism.

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Speaker 1: Sunia malicious murdered all of these women in the streets

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Speaker 1: of Iraq, I mean all because of and actually a

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Speaker 1: lot most of it happened under the Bush administration, and

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Speaker 1: they had to send thousand more troops there in order

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Speaker 1: to stop the terrorists militias that we are the ones

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Speaker 1: who allowed to foment and foster in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Go and ask people in Baghdad how much they remember

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Speaker 1: mister Bush's care for a lot of their children who

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Speaker 1: had their heads drilled with Sunni militias. Seriously. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I could go on this stuff forever, but well, And

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Speaker 1: what's said, though, is that now that it's Biden doing

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Speaker 1: the withdrawal, you're starting to see now, Look, overwhelmingly the

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Speaker 1: public supports us getting out of Afghanistan, and that is

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Speaker 1: a good thing to see. But you're starting to see

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Speaker 1: in pulling more of a partisan divide. You know, back

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Speaker 1: when it was Trump who said he was going to

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Speaker 1: get us on about Afghanistan, Republicans were all on board.

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Speaker 1: But yes, we should end these wars, let's get out

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Speaker 1: of Afghanistan. Now that it's Biden who's actually getting it done,

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Speaker 1: now the feelings are a little bit more mixed. So

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Speaker 1: we can throw this tear sheet up on the screen

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Speaker 1: from the Hill. This is a write up of a

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Speaker 1: political Morning Consul survey. Now, like I said, they found

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Speaker 1: a majority of registered voters, fifty nine percent support Biden's

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Speaker 1: plan to withdraw the troops. That is good. In comparison,

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Speaker 1: only twenty five percent said they are opposed. Sixteen percent

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Speaker 1: had no opinion. But again, if you draw drilled down

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Speaker 1: into the partisan makeup here you have seventy six percent

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Speaker 1: of Democrats in support. You have fifty nine percent of

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Speaker 1: tenance in support, which is equal to the overall numbers

646
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: as well. Only forty two percent of Republicans, roughly an

647
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: equal percentage oppose the planet forty three percent. So again,

648
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Speaker 1: when it was Trump, all the Republicans were like, yes,

649
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: get a sound of Afghanistan. Now they're split basically fifty

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00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: to fifty. I'd also be curious to see how the

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00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: Democratic numbers shifted, like what it was. I'm sure it

652
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: was probably the same they were when it was Trump

653
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: who was gonna withdraw the Like what about the women

654
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: and the girls. Now that it's Biden that's doing it,

655
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 1: they're they're all in for it. But I just you know,

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00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: it's not surprising because of how sort of tribal and

657
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: sectarian and partisan our politics are. But you would think

658
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: on a core issue of warren peace, people could hold

659
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: just like a consistent principle and not filter it through

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00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: the lens of whichever like tribal team they more identify with.

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00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: But even on this tribalism seems to control. Well, that's

662
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: the culture war, isn't it. It's beautiful. My favorite graph

663
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: of this I think I played it on Rising, which

664
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: was the Republicans who felt the economy was doing really well.

665
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: And then on January twenty first, the Dave Biden is inaugurated. Boom,

666
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: it was like seventy five percent. Now it's twenty percent

667
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: Democrats the same thing, like this is a disaster. Dave

668
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: Biden gets inaugurated seventy percent of approval rating the economy

669
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: and changed folks same economy. This is the same things.

670
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: It's really sad, which is that it gets completely even

671
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: great policies like this, whenever it's touched by the culture war,

672
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: things completely switch around. One hundred percent of these people

673
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: would have supported it if Trump did, and a lot

674
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: of the Democrats were probably against it. But look on

675
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: a policy substance, I want to give as much credit

676
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: as it possibly can to President Joe Biden. Let's put

677
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: this up there from NPR. The top US commander in

678
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: Afghanistan has relinquished his post, according to the government, and

679
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: we should check on this. They say that ninety five

680
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: percent of the withdrawal has already happened. The Afghan government

681
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: itself is already preparing for the total withdrawal of US forces.

682
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: The Kabble Embassy is really the large last thing that's

683
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: going to be there. Of course, our CIA contractors and

684
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,959
Speaker 1: all those other people going to be still running around

685
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: the country, almost absolutely, But to not have active duty

686
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: combat soldiers patrolling the streets of Afghanistan getting killed stepping

687
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: on land mines for nothing that will be his, in

688
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: my opinion, probably is the greatest legacy for coming out

689
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: having the actual stones to do it. Mark Milly and

690
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: the generals. They threw everything they had at Biden. He

691
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: did what Obama could not. He did what Trump could not.

692
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: Trump folded every single time that these people threw the

693
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,760
Speaker 1: mat at him. And you know that takes real courage

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Speaker 1: in order to actually do this, because as you can see,

695
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 1: the entire international machine is trying to keep him there

696
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: and he's as from what we can tell right now,

697
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: he has not wavering course. Everybody out on August thirty first, yeah,

698
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: been completely adamant and consistent and said, look, we said

699
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: we wanted to get bin La, we said we wanted

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Speaker 1: to root Kaida out of Afghanistan. We did that a

701
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: long time ago. It is long past time for us

702
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: to come home. And anyone who says otherwise, look, yes,

703
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: it is a horrible situation to imagine what some of

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00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: the people in Afghanistan are going to be going through.

705
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: What's your plan, what's your alternative? And that's the part

706
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: that George W. Bush or any of these people who

707
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: are leaking to the press, none of them have a

708
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: plan that's other than endless war, endless resources, endless lives,

709
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: and what have we got for it? As you said, Taliban,

710
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: now stronger than ever, after all of our investments, after

711
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: all of our training, after all of that, stronger than ever.

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Speaker 1: So show me a trajectory that doesn't end in a

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00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: horrific place, and no one has ever had an answer

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00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: for any of that. At the same time, the voices

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00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: in favor of regime change, man, they just don't stop

716
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: coming out of the woodwork left and right. Well, this

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00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: is with regards to Cuba, where of course we've been covering,

718
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, really rare, historic demonstrations that have been happening there.

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00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: You've had a government cracked and cutting off the internet,

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Speaker 1: so it's hard to figure out exactly what's going on

721
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: in the ground there. And of course none of this

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00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: can be said without taking in the context also of

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00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,959
Speaker 1: the US embargo, which makes life very different, difficult for

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00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: the people of Cuba and hads for now sixty plus years.

725
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: But the minute that there are any protests on the

726
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: ground in Cuba, you've got people coming out of the

727
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: woodwork ready to invade, literally calling the mayor of Miami,

728
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: a Republican mayor of Miami, literally suggesting airstrikes and an

729
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: intervention in Cuba. Right now on Fox News, let's take

730
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Speaker 1: a listen to what he had to say, and that

731
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: country had peaceful democracy for decades, and you had interventions

732
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: by democratic presidents taking out Osama bin Laden in Pakistan,

733
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 1: it's a sovereign country where they took out a terrorist

734
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Speaker 1: that probably saved thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of lives,

735
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Speaker 1: and President Clinton and Kosovo intervening in a humanitarian issue

736
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Speaker 1: with air strikes. So there have been many, many opportunities

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Speaker 1: in that you suggesting air strikes in Cuba. What I'm

738
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Speaker 1: suggesting is that that option is one that has to

739
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: be explored and cannot be just simply discarded as an

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00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: option that is not on the table. And there's a

741
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: variety of ways a military can do it, But that's

742
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: that's something that needs to be discussed. It needs to

743
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 1: be looked at as a potential option, in addition to

744
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: a variety of other options that can be discussed. Sixty

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00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: years after the Bay of Pigs Saga, they just never

746
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: give up the dream of some full scale invasion. And

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Speaker 1: look at the examples that he sided there, he sided

748
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: the Afghan War, and he sided Kosovo, which, by the way,

749
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: Kosovo is ten times more islamically fundamentalist today than it

750
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: was back in nineteen ninety. Also is one of the

751
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: big reasons that we have problems with Russia NATO expansion.

752
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: I could go into it for a long time. There's

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00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: a lot going on. This guy's really something and he doesn't.

754
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, the Miami political system is weird. And you

755
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: were telling me about this that he doesn't mayor in

756
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: terms of his political power in Miami doesn't have a lot.

757
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: So basically his job is to like go and do cables.

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00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: He's a ceremonial mayor and so yeah, in Miami, apparently

759
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: this is how it was explained to me. There's a

760
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,959
Speaker 1: strong mayor, a city manager. They have all the power.

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00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: There are the people who do like vaccines and stuff.

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Speaker 1: You have ceremonial mayor. So he's a ceremonial mayor of Miami,

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00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: doesn't actually have control over Miami Dade County. That being said,

764
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Speaker 1: he's pretty popular. Yeah, and I don't want to downput like, well,

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Speaker 1: this is actually a very well review amongst many Cubans

766
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Speaker 1: who live in Miami, especially the Cuban Americans who are

767
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: very politically especially I think that's the important part is

768
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: especially the ones that are most politically active influential, donate money,

769
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: et cetera, have this very you know, hawkish hardline view.

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Speaker 1: This guy's wild, though. I watched some other hits that

771
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: he was doing on Fox News as well. Apparently he's

772
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: all over that channel right now, and he was making

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00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: the flat out like war on terror argument too. He's like,

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Speaker 1: Cuba's exporting terrorism and that's why we need to conter

775
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: potential intervention. It's like, what are you doing right now?

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00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: We literally learn nothing from any of these conflicts, from

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00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: any of our you know, one hundred years of intervening

778
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: these countries and the blowback and the disaster that results

779
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: not only for the people of those countries but for

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Speaker 1: our own people. But I don't want to make this

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00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: just purely a partisan thing. Here. You got some Democrats

782
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,720
Speaker 1: down in Florida who are also pushing Biden to do something.

783
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Speaker 1: You must act swiftly. We can throw this tear sheet

784
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: from Politico up on the screen, Democrats warning Biden in

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00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: Florida not to blow a golden opportunity. I'm going to

786
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: read to you a little bit of this they say

787
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: now in this is from the Political Peace Now in

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00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: Cuba's historic uprisings Florida Democrats see what many are calling

789
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: a golden opportunity, a chance for Joe Biden to help

790
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: bring democracy to the island. Okay, that should make you

791
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: very nervous and as a result, attract the Hispanic voters

792
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: that he hammered eight months ago. This is a mister Gorbachev,

793
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: tear down this wall opportunity, said State said or a

794
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: net today a Democrat from Miami who represents the district

795
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 1: that Trump one. We need to be the beacon of hope.

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00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: There are people in Cuba protesting, waving the American flag.

797
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: That has never happened. We need to understand the moment

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00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: we're living in. We also, and I brought this to

799
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: you earlier this week, Val Deming's congressman, who's sentate hopeful

800
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: in Florida, calling on the White House to quote act swiftly.

801
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: Now they're a little bit less direct than the mayor

802
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: who we just covered is in calling for intervention. But like,

803
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: what are you actually asking for? What is it you

804
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: want the Biden administration to do? And to move swiftly

805
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: and to act swiftly, Like lay it out, what is

806
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 1: it that you actually want them to do? This is

807
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: the problem that I think these people are actually poisoning

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00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: the discussion. So one thing that I've seen floated, I'm

809
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: curious for what you think is restoring internet service for

810
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: people in Cuba calling for that right, and apparently we

811
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: do have the capability. And I was like, okay, well

812
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 1: this seems reasonable. That being said, how do you decide

813
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: when to do it and not? So you have the capability,

814
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: So then they are you going to pick and choose?

815
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: This is where it gets dicey, where you're like, okay, well,

816
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: are you gonna pick and choose which protesters? There's protesters

817
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: all across the world, So allied governments would not get there,

818
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: or would we help them shut down internet service? Turkey,

819
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: which is an allied government, they shut down their internet

820
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: all the time. Pakistan shuts down the internet whenever there's

821
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: like blasphems, So you know what I mean. So let

822
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: me it just gets dicey. It's like on the surface,

823
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I mean, sure, you restore internet services.

824
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Speaker 1: Seems pretty reasonable. That being said, would there be a

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Speaker 1: proportionate response from the Cuban government, like would they see

826
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Speaker 1: that as like an act of war on? So I'm like, well,

827
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 1: well this is you know it gets complicated, and I

828
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: do look at it as something which maybe should be

829
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Speaker 1: in consideration if that's what we're going to consent. Well,

830
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Speaker 1: but here's what I would say. First of all, I

831
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Speaker 1: don't even have freaking Internet where I live in the

832
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: United States of America. So if you're going to give

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00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: people internet access, how about you make sure the citizens

834
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Speaker 1: of this nation have internet access. If you have that

835
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: case ability and you're so casually ready to use it,

836
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Speaker 1: that's number one. Number two, this all has to be

837
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Speaker 1: taken into consideration in the context of our long and

838
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: bad history with Cuba. Yeah, as DeSantis points out in

839
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Speaker 1: his requests for them to do this, we have a

840
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: long history of piping propaganda into that nation, including directly

841
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: involved with the Bay of Pigs failed invasion attempt. So

842
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,240
Speaker 1: all of these things, any sort of direct US action

843
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: with regard to Cuba, Yeah, it's going to be received

844
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Speaker 1: incredibly poorly. It's gonna look like we're taking those sort

845
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: of heavy handed tactics, and with good reason too. By

846
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Speaker 1: the way, could also be used as an excuse by

847
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Speaker 1: the Cuban regime to combat them even more. I saw

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Speaker 1: the Chinese exactly a lot. We would say, like because

849
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Speaker 1: the Hong Kong protesters. Many of the Cuban protesters are

850
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, waving American flags as symbols of freedom. But

851
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: the Hong Kong people would be like, see their American

852
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: agents the chest. What the Chinese government would do and

853
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: they would go and they would kill them or they

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Speaker 1: would you know, throw them in prison, which miraculous, they've

855
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 1: never heard them, heard from them again. So I would

856
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: also be concerned from that view, which is like if

857
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 1: you do restore the Internet and then the people who

858
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: do use it could be labeled as American agents, they

859
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: could all be slaughtered, you know, under Cuban law. So

860
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: like that's another area where anything that we do with

861
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: regard to intervention and messing with what's going on with

862
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 1: Cuba has potential blowback because of the incredibly horrific and

863
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: not just with regards to you know, trying to remove Castro,

864
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: trying to assassinate Castro like countless times more times than

865
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: we even possibly know about, but you know, installing Batista,

866
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: and back before it was Castro, the US was you know,

867
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: so powerful in Cuba that the US ambassador was the

868
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: second most important person on the island, sometimes considered the

869
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: most important person on the island, US business interests, mob

870
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: running the joint. I mean, so we have we just

871
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: this is a sort of situation where look, I one

872
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: hundred percent support the liberation struggles of people. Everyone should

873
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: be free from repression. They should have freedom of speech,

874
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: just like we're supposed to have here, which also is

875
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes sent down in this nation at this point.

876
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: But for us to get involved directly other than to

877
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: lift the sanctions, that again, if you care about the

878
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: Cuban people, lifting the sanctions that have made life very

879
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: difficult would be the one thing that we should, you know,

880
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: act swiftly to do. Because also, as we've discussed before,

881
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: like all that the government has to do to cover

882
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 1: up from their own failings is point at those sanctions,

883
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: look at the US's fault. They have these sanctions on us,

884
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: and they have some justification for their So don't give

885
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: them the excuse if you actually care about supporting the

886
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 1: people of Cuba. And by the way, I was looking

887
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: at some of the polling here, you know, it's a

888
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 1: lot different than I think the way that Cuban American

889
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: opinion is portrayed. It's a lot more. It's it's not

890
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: uniformly hardline the way that it's portrayed, But the hardline

891
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 1: voices are the ones that are most elevated. They're the

892
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: ones that are most influential, especially within the Republican Party.

893
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: In the past year, they pulled Cuban Americans in Miami

894
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: on whether these sanctions should be lifted temporarily during the pandemic,

895
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: not overall, but temporarily during the pandemic. Fifty seven percent

896
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: said yes. Wow, So, I mean because it's it's perfect.

897
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it's im moral during when people are suffering

898
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: during a pandemic to put these further saying we're not

899
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: at war with Cuba, like, what are we doing with this?

900
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: And it hasn't worked, by the way, if your thought

901
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: was like these sanctions and that has always been the thought,

902
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: oh that we're going to put pressure on them and

903
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 1: then they're going to overthrow the regime and then we're

904
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: gonna it hasn't worked for sixty years. What do you

905
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 1: think is going to change and make it different this

906
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 1: time around? So I also don't think the opinion is

907
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: quite as like you know, uniform as it sometimes is

908
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 1: caricatured in the Yeah, yeahue. My general opinion on this

909
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 1: stuff is, if you're going to do it, then you

910
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: have to be willing to go. All that was what

911
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: we were talking about with the Afghan girls. Like you know,

912
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,320
Speaker 1: you can be listen. I am one hundred percent with

913
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: the protesters and Cuba is inspirational people putting your life

914
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,280
Speaker 1: on the line and all that. It's amazing to watch.

915
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 1: It's something that's so incredibly rare. That being said, if

916
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: you should probably not do something unless you have think

917
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: there's a one a reasonable more than fifty percent chance

918
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: of success. Do we really believe that the cast or

919
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 1: regime is about to fall? I just don't believe that.

920
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: Where has that out of work? That we've installed democracy

921
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: and it's really gone. Well, you know, it's not even

922
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: about installation. I'm saying, if you're gonna let you tip

923
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: the hand on the scales or whatever, like, you be

924
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: pretty damn sure it's gonna work. I just don't think

925
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: that these are probably gonna work. It's like with Hong Kong. Frankly, look,

926
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: I've stood with the honk with people of Hong Kong

927
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: and the Hong Kong protesters. Hong Kong is a more

928
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: dystopian place today than ever before. Why because the CCP

929
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: rules it and it's theirs, and there's not much we

930
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: can do about it. And so outside of being like

931
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 1: I stand with the people of Hong Kong, and I

932
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: think that generally it's the tenor of the Biden administration

933
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: so far, which is, look, we stand with people like

934
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: you're saying, peoples of liberation. Everywhere you stand with, you know,

935
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: people who are holding the American flag in the streets.

936
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: God bless you. That being said, you know, actively working

937
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: to try to overthrow the regime, especially if it fails.

938
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: It's also in Emba. Look at Venezuela, they're laughing at

939
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: us over Guido, like because we can't even do a

940
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: coup anymore. So I'm just saying, whenever it comes to it,

941
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: you have to be very dicey. I've heard from some

942
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: Cubans are very upset that we're not like fully is listen,

943
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: I once again, you can be very very very appreciative

944
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: and hopeful and inspired by the people who are standing

945
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: up in the streets, especially when their lives are actually

946
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: on the line. But things it's complicated, and the United

947
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: States does not necessarily have the responsibility to get involved

948
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: and then to try and overthrow this government, especially given

949
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 1: our long history on the island. I would just ask

950
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 1: those people who are upset to consider our own history

951
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: in Afghanistan and in Iraq, and our even ability given

952
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: Venezuela to do what you want them to do. I

953
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 1: don't think that's frankly within the capabilities. So there's also

954
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: a lot of hypocrisy that's been revealed here from you know,

955
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 1: and Glenn's been pointing this out a lot on Yeah,

956
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: but about you know, there was this idea of an

957
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: America first, you know, foreign policy doctrine that's basically like, look,

958
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: let's take care of this country and let's not worry

959
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: so much about the rest of the world, which involves

960
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: both that so you know, non intervention kind of philosophy,

961
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: and also let's get a sound of Afghanistan and also

962
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: like an immigration restrictionist view. All of that like goes

963
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: out of the window where Cup is concerned. It's like,

964
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,720
Speaker 1: bring in the refugees, which I support bringing in refugees,

965
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: by the way, but if we're going to do it,

966
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: we don't just pick and choose which nations, you know,

967
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,720
Speaker 1: because of what they're ideological, what the government ideologically happens

968
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,360
Speaker 1: to believe or which political constituencies in the US happen

969
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: to be very influential. So you have that thrown out

970
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: the window. And then you also have just like in

971
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: this one instance, yeah we should go in, Yes we

972
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: should intervene, Yes we should have your regime change. It's like,

973
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: what how out of the principle that y'all claim to

974
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: support for the past, you know, four plus years that

975
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 1: seem to sort of just like go out the window,

976
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:03,239
Speaker 1: which show that Afghan numbers we were showing you earlier too.

977
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: I'll just show you this one and I was shocked

978
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: to see this. Let's pull this up there wild. So

979
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 1: this guy he can't I can't pronounce his name. I

980
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: think is gian Carlo Sopo. So gen Carlo, if you

981
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: ever watched this, I'm sorry if I mispronounce your name.

982
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: He got into a fight with Glenn Greenwald. I mean,

983
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: he ran Hispanic outreach for Trump, and he's saying I

984
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: would gladly enlist, and so would many other Cuban Americans.

985
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: So he's very upset with Glenn for talking about American first,

986
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: and he's accusing him of being a surrogate for Latin

987
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: American leftists, which is pretty ridiculous in my opinion. But

988
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: that's an extremely extreme view of saying that you would

989
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: enlist in the US military and so would many other

990
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: people in order to invade Cuba. Now, look, I don't

991
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: want to denigrate him personally, because you know, maybe he's Cuban,

992
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: maybe he has ties, like many of these people can

993
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: feel very passionately. But once again, the whims of a

994
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: segment of the population should not be subject to the

995
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: entire the lives of the United States military and American

996
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: foreign policy. And I would encourage him and others try

997
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: polling it. See how many people want to go and

998
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: invade Cuba in order to install democracy. It would probably

999
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: pull it like five percent. Even at the height of

1000
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: the Cold War, this shit wasn't exactly they tried. No,

1001
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: you're right, even whenever we were facing the nuclear annihilation,

1002
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: people were like, I don't know, I was whole cute

1003
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: thing man. So and that was a different, much more

1004
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: hawkish country. This is pre Vietnam. So just think about

1005
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 1: how deeply unpopular and frankly ridiculous of a policy that is.

1006
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 1: And I think that shows you how out of step

1007
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: a lot of people online who are talking about this

1008
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't even know what. I couldn't believe it.

1009
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: When I saw that I would gladly enlist. I was like,

1010
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: oh my god. I mean, you're basically calling for calling

1011
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: for literal bloodshed, terms on behalf of American soldiers to

1012
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,799
Speaker 1: go in and to change the situation there. I just

1013
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: think that's completely ludicrous. I don't think there's anything aka

1014
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: first about that whatsoever. It's wild to see him with

1015
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: that view and the mayor just openly like, hey, maybe airstrikes,

1016
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 1: what do you think maybe for an intervention, maybe you know,

1017
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: democracy instantly, maybe regime change. Like this does not go well, guys,

1018
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: it does not end well for us, it doesn't end

1019
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: well for the country involved. No, no, no, no, no,

1020
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: no no. I think you're absolutely right. And look, I

1021
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: don't even know how to do a hard turn towards

1022
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 1: this one. This is something perfect I care a lot about.

1023
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: I've followed this case for many, many years, and that

1024
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,479
Speaker 1: is of cerial pedophile predator Larry Nasser. So you guys

1025
00:53:38,520 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: will recall he was the doctor who was attached to the

1026
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: the University of Michigan, who was also attached to the

1027
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: USA gymnastics team. The USA Gymnastics team, the female gymnastics team, largely,

1028
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, adolescent females, teenage girls who he would routinely

1029
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: over a period of decades, was molesting under the guise

1030
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: of quote unquote medical procedures. He was able to fool

1031
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: many parents, regulators, police agents, so many folks. Everything ultimately

1032
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: caught up with him and he's now in jail, I

1033
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: think for hundreds of years. But there's a new Inspector

1034
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,479
Speaker 1: General report from the Department of Justice which will set

1035
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: make your blood boil. So let's put this up there.

1036
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: It came out yesterday, a long report that says that

1037
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: the FBI's handling of the sexual abuse case was completely subpar.

1038
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: They found that seventy or more young athletes had been

1039
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:41,280
Speaker 1: sexually abused by mister Nasser, but that specific delays within

1040
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: the FBI's office led to dozens more young girls getting

1041
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: victimized in the interim period because of their lack of investigation.

1042
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: It said specifically, and it points to this, one agent

1043
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: whose name is Abbott WJS, lied to the Inspector General's

1044
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 1: office numerous times when it asked him about the Nasar inquiry.

1045
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: He gave false statements to quote minimize errors by the

1046
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: Indianapolis Field Office in connection with this, and he violated

1047
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: FBI policy because he spoke with Steve Penny, who was

1048
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,239
Speaker 1: the president and chief executive of USA Gymnastics, about potential

1049
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: job opportunities with the US Olympic commitnitey, even as the

1050
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: two were discussing the allegations against mister Nasser. I'll put

1051
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: that tweet up there. I want to underscore this for

1052
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: everybody who is watching it, for everybody who is listening.

1053
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: The Special Agent in charge of the Indianapolis Field Office

1054
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: who was in charge of this investigation at the time

1055
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: of questioning USA Gymnastics a Rout Larry Nasser, was asking

1056
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,600
Speaker 1: about a potential job opportunity with the US Olympic community,

1057
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: specifically at the exact same time that he slow rolled

1058
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 1: that investigation. The slow rolling of that investigation costs the

1059
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: innocence of so many young girls who are out there,

1060
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: And there were lies and obfuscations by the FBI at

1061
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: every step of the chain. And I can't help but think, Crystal,

1062
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: given what you're doing monologue on and more, which is

1063
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: that it is amazing to me and I'm doing my

1064
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: on Epstein about what these people just look away from,

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00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: right and let go. And meanwhile, you know, oh, there's

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00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: a photograph of everybody who happened to, you know, be

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00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 1: in Washington or whatever on January sixth. There are people

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00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: like sitting in jail. And you know, I mean in

1069
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,840
Speaker 1: terms of in terms of the things that do get

1070
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: the political impetus, these things never get botched. All of that,

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00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: and then sexual predators like Larry Nasser walk free. For look,

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00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 1: every day that that man was free was a day

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00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 1: that he victimized another young girl. Yeah, and I have

1074
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: listened and watched a documentaries, podcast and more. He was

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00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: a monster of the highest order. His neighbor's daughter. You know,

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00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: these are young young girl full of innocence, as young

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00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: as up to him, as young as ages. They looked

1078
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: up to him, you know, they thought he was their

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00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: special healer or whatever. And the way he manipulated the community.

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00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: And then the most disgusting part is how these people

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00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: stood for him, These FBI agents and the USA Gymnastics

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00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: and the University of Michigan and many of the prosecutors

1083
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: even were involved in the State of Michigan and the

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00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: cover up around this all the way up to the

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: US Olympic Committee, a cover up of the highest order

1086
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: that happened here, and looking at it just it's crystall

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00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to even put put some words to it.

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: Given how each instance, each additional instance, means the robbing

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00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: of innocence of another human being. Well, we don't even

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00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: know how many young girls he ultimately victimized. We know

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00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: hundreds for sure. This was over the course of at

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00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: least thirty years where he was put in a position

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00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: of power over these young girls, again, as young as

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00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: eight years old. In over years, he would groom them,

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00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: they were required to go to treatment with him. When

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00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: girls tried to come forward, they were dismissed like they

1097
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: were the hysterical ones, like they were the crazing office.

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00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: That's what happened, the one girl who came forward. For

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00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: thirty years, every single adult involved failed, and then when

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00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 1: they're finally is supposed to be an FBI investigation, this

1101
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 1: dude who's in charge is too busy trying to get

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00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: a job with the Olympic Committee to take this predator down,

1103
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: enabling him to victimize dozens more young girls because you

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00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: all weren't doing what you were supposed to do. After

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00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: thirty years of delay and a life allowing this monster

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00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: to continue in these positions of power and trust. It

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00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: is truly disgusting, and as you alluded to, you know,

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00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: the monologue I'm doing today is about how the FBI,

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00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: as you all know, during the War on Terear, I mean,

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00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 1: they would consistently invent these plots that they could then

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00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: go in and disrupt with much fanfare. With We now

1112
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 1: know with this Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot that they had

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00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: at least a dozen informants involved, and there are real

1114
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: questions over whether, you know, was this a real plot

1115
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: that was going to happen, right, and more than yeah,

1116
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: more than the people who've been indicted. So they're spending

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00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 1: all kinds of resources basically inventing and then disrupting quote

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00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: unquote these terror plots, which again and the war on

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00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: Terror was documented time and time and time and time again.

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Speaker 1: But when you have a real predator and monster who's

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00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: victimizing young girls on a near daily basis, you can't

1122
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: get your act together to take this guy down. It's

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Speaker 1: truly disgusting and beyondwards. Hey, yeah, look, I mean and

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Speaker 1: we said dozens, the number is estimated to be seventy.

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Speaker 1: But I say dozens because we don't know. And that's

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Speaker 1: the number in between when the first allegation between July

1127
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, when USA Gymnastics first reported those allegations to

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01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: the FBI and August twenty sixteen, he victimized seventy people

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01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 1: estimated that the low end it could be one hundred,

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01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: could be even more in that interim period. That's what

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01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: mister Abbot, the special Agent Abbot, and I want to

1132
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: say his name as many as possible because it's amazing

1133
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: to me how these people just slink away into the

1134
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: darkness or whatever, and this should follow him for the

1135
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: rest of his life. And we pulled some the heroic

1136
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: testimony of Ali Reisman. She's one of the Larry Nasterer's victims.

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01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: Let's just go ahead and listen to what she had

1138
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: to say. Larry, you do realize now that this group

1139
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: of women you so heartlessly abused over such a long

1140
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: period of time are now a force and you are nothing.

1141
01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: I am here to face you, Larry, so you can

1142
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: see I've regained my strength, that I'm no longer a victim,

1143
01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: I'm a survivor. I am no longer that little girl

1144
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: you met in Australia where you first began grooming and manipulating.

1145
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 1: Treatments with you were mandatory. You took advantage of that.

1146
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 1: You even told on us if we didn't want to

1147
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: be treated by you, knowing full well the troubles that

1148
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: would cause for us lying on my stomach with you

1149
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,480
Speaker 1: on my bed insisting that your inappropriate touch would help

1150
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: to heal my pain. The reality is you cause me

1151
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: a great deal of physical, mental, and emotional pain. You

1152
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:41,720
Speaker 1: never healed me. You took advantage of our passions and

1153
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: our dreams. Your abuse started thirty years ago, but that's

1154
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: just the first reported incident we know of. She's really

1155
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 1: a brave woman. And there's another one, Maggie Nichols. So

1156
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Speaker 1: I actually watched a documentary on her. It's called athlete A.

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01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: She was one of the first people to report NASA's abuse,

1158
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: and she taken off, not even as an alternate, And

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Speaker 1: she did not make the US Olympic team because specifically

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01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: retaliated against because she was brave enough, her and her

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01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: mom were willing to spinand up to all these people

1162
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: who wanted to cover up what was happening there. It's

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Speaker 1: one of the most ridiculous situations. I believe that she's

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Speaker 1: very happy now. I think she did a university NCAA gymnastics,

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Speaker 1: but she never got to go to the Olympics. And

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Speaker 1: it's because she had the courage to speak up about that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Simone Bile's you know, top gymnasts in the world right now. Also,

1168
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, a survivor of his abuse. So just disgusting

1169
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: the way that every single adult involved failed because they

1170
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: wanted something for themselves, because they were in it for

1171
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, they didn't want their organization to look bad.

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01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: They didn't want them to look bad. They didn't want

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01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: to rock the boat. They didn't want to miss the

1174
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: job opportunity that they thought they might have coming to them.

1175
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely disgusting. Absolutely Wow, you guys must really like listening

1176
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: to our voices. Well, I know this is annoying instead

1177
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: of making you listen to a Viagra commercial. When you're done,

1178
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 1: check out the other podcast I do with Marshall Kasoff

1179
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:04,920
Speaker 1: called The Realignment. We talk a lot about the deeper

1180
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 1: issues that are changing realigning in American society. You always

1181
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: need more Crystal and Zagur in your daily lives. Take care, guys, Christill,

1182
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:14,120
Speaker 1: what are you taking a look at today well, as

1183
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Speaker 1: I was saying, there are new questions this morning about

1184
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: just how involved the FBI again may have been in

1185
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: hatching a plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer that

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01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: they then disrupted with much fanfare. Here's the background here.

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01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: You will recall in October of last year in the

1188
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: news media exploded with what was truly a sensational story.

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01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: Right wing extremists, outraged over pandemic lockdowns had been narrowly

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Speaker 1: thwarted in an attempt to kidnap the governor. That's what

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Speaker 1: we were told. Remember this storming the state capital, instigating

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Speaker 1: a civil war, abducting a sitting governor ahead of the

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Speaker 1: presidential election. Those were among the plots described by federal

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Speaker 1: and state officials in Michigan on Thursday as they announced terrorism, conspiracy,

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Speaker 1: and weapons charges against thirteen men, at least six of

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Speaker 1: them officials said, had had a detailed plan to kidnap

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Speaker 1: Governor Gretchen Whitmer, a demo who has become a focal

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Speaker 1: point of anti government views and anger over coronavirus control measures.

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Speaker 1: That was the report for the New York Times. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course, that narrative really fit the moment. Trump had

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01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: been going after Whitmer in recent weeks. Tensions were extraordinarily

1202
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: high heading into the November election. In her press conference

1203
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: after the plot was revealed, Whitmer actually blamed Trump for

1204
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: inciting these domestic terrorists. Very quickly, there were some signs

1205
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: that maybe the narrative wasn't quite as clear cut as

1206
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,880
Speaker 1: the government and media were portraying it. Those warning signs

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Speaker 1: were explained in a now prescient piece by Bronco Marcetic,

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01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: who warrant that maybe, just maybe the FBI was quote

1209
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: up to its old Obama era trix, helping manufacture the

1210
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: very terrorist plots it ends up thwarting and then publicizing.

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Speaker 1: In particular, Marcetic drew some parallels between this action against

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Speaker 1: right wing extremists and how the government targeted young Muslim

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Speaker 1: men for entrapment. He noted, for example, that while during

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Speaker 1: the War on Terror, the government would frequently go after

1215
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Speaker 1: the poor or even the developmentally disabled for their entrapment schemes.

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01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: The supposed ring leader of the Michigan kidnapping plot also

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01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: seemed to really be at the margins of society. In

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Speaker 1: this case, the alleged head terrorist, a guy named Adam

1219
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: Fox is very poor. He was nearly homeless. He was

1220
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Speaker 1: living temporarily in the basement of a vacuum store, where

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Speaker 1: he held a meeting supposedly quote masterminding this plot. Marstic

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01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: also noted that, as was often the case with the

1223
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Speaker 1: Muslim men the FBI entrapped, the accused didn't really seem

1224
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Speaker 1: to have the financial wherewithal to carry out their evil

1225
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Speaker 1: plans without the help of government money. An undercover agent

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Speaker 1: told that ringleader Fox that explosives would cost about four

1227
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. There is zero indication that the men involved

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Speaker 1: had come close to pulling together that amount of money. Finally,

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Speaker 1: Marcetic noted the extensive use of confidential informants in War

1230
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Speaker 1: on Terror entrapment. By twenty seventeen, eighty three percent of

1231
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Speaker 1: ISIS related cases involved undercover agents or informants. Well, now

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Speaker 1: we are learning much more about just how extensive the

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Speaker 1: govern It's use of confidential informants was in the Michigan

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Speaker 1: kidnapping plot. New court filings in the case suggest the

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Speaker 1: government used at least twelve informants in connection with disrupting

1236
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Speaker 1: this plot. Twelve. So, just if you're keeping track at home,

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Speaker 1: that's twice as many government informants involved in the plot

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Speaker 1: as there were alleged terrorists, according to an attorney for

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Speaker 1: one of the defendants, quote, the government has shared ID

1240
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Speaker 1: numbers linked to twelve confidential informants, but with one exception,

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Speaker 1: has not provided background on how they were recruited, what

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Speaker 1: payments they might have received from the FBI, where they're based,

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Speaker 1: or what their names are. Now look definitely worth keeping

1244
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,200
Speaker 1: in mind here that it is the defense's strategy in

1245
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,360
Speaker 1: this case to argue that the government hatched the plot

1246
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 1: and trap the defendants, so their assertion should absolutely be

1247
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Speaker 1: taken with a grain of salt. But so far this

1248
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Speaker 1: case is looking a whole lot like the domestic terror

1249
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: version of what was routinely done to destroy Muslim men

1250
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Speaker 1: during the height of the War on Terror. Now, I'm

1251
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: not cherry picking war on Terror cases here. Extensive review

1252
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: of such prosecutions by Human Rights Watch found that quote,

1253
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: many of these people would never have committed a crime

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Speaker 1: if not for law enforcement encouraging, pressuring, and sometimes paying

1255
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: them to commit terrorist acts. The New York Times a

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Speaker 1: few months back detailed how a highly touted disruption of

1257
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 1: a supposed plot to bomb the busy Herald Square subway

1258
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: stop that was effectively devised and pushed by the government.

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Speaker 1: An FBI in formant radicalized a young Muslim man with

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Speaker 1: photos of Abu grab and other US atrocities, helped that

1261
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: young muscle man conceive of a plan, and then pushed

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Speaker 1: him to act on it. Our hardened terrorist in this

1263
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: case was such a thug that he insisted he needed

1264
01:07:39,880 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: to check with his mom before he could agree to

1265
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Speaker 1: actually do anything in connection with this government pushed plot.

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Speaker 1: Why are these tactics and abuses so incredibly common, Well,

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01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,959
Speaker 1: all the incentives are aligned for the government to want

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Speaker 1: to help create these plots and then make a big

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Speaker 1: show of disrupting them, and that same logic that applies

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Speaker 1: to domestic extreme as it did to international terrorism. Political

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Speaker 1: careers are made by making a big show of disrupting

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Speaker 1: terror plots. What's more, elaborately demonstrating that the world is

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Speaker 1: dangerous and scary. That can be a really effective tool

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Speaker 1: for social control and for claiming even more power for

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Speaker 1: the deep state. Keep the public terrified, keep them on edge,

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Speaker 1: tell them to spy in their neighbors and their family members,

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Speaker 1: keep them glued into cable news, and elite media to

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Speaker 1: learn the new explosive details of the latest narrowly avoided

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Speaker 1: terror plot. Fear is powerful, and as scared people, they'll

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Speaker 1: pass the patriot I, they'll go along with new wars,

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Speaker 1: They'll accept mass surveillance. They'll desperately search for the next

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Speaker 1: strong man Daddy figure to keep them safe. Survival is

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Speaker 1: understandably prized above most other values. Allow me to state

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Speaker 1: the obvious here. I abhor white supremacists, right wing extremists,

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Speaker 1: and all terrorists who would seek to kill, kidnap and

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Speaker 1: spread hate. But the very last thing that we need

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Speaker 1: is the government actively filmenting and agitating and creating more

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Speaker 1: extremism or just freaking people out for power and for profit.

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Speaker 1: These government abuses pose a much graver threat to democracy

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Speaker 1: than any of the grand plots that they pretend to disrupt.

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Speaker 1: And Sager look just starting to get the details here.

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Speaker 1: One more thing, I promise. Just wanted to make sure

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Speaker 1: We're going to stop bugging you now enjoy so Sager,

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Speaker 1: what are you looking at? Well, it's been a while

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Speaker 1: since my last Epstein update, as the case is Kleene

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01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,479
Speaker 1: Maxwell drags on. There've been some limited developments in the case,

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Speaker 1: but overall, the question as to how exactly Epstein was

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01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: able to get away with his predilections for so long

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01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 1: ensnare so many powerful people, and most importantly get away

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Speaker 1: with it for decades, both in the legal and the

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01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 1: financial system, is one where simply just not that much

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Speaker 1: closer to answering than we were in November twenty nineteen

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Speaker 1: when he died by alleged suicide. Now, the ultimate question

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Speaker 1: around Epstein stems from his two thousand and five sweetheart

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Speaker 1: deal with Florida prosecutors, where despite being caught trafficking and

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Speaker 1: victimizing literal children, he only got a limited amount of

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Speaker 1: time in the Palm Beach County jail, enjoyed release on

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Speaker 1: the weekends, and within no time was right back to

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Speaker 1: sex trafficking and living a life of debauchery. Former Labor

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Speaker 1: Secretary Alex Acosta resigned from his post in nineteen when

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Speaker 1: his role as the prosecutor who broke her the deal

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Speaker 1: came to light. But there's been a lingering question as

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Speaker 1: to whether political influence or even government influence, is what

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Speaker 1: kept Epstein free at the time. A new book by

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Speaker 1: journalist Julie K. Brown, she brought this entire case to

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Speaker 1: light answers some of that question. Political corruption absolutely was

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Speaker 1: a big part of how Epstein walked free. Journalist Julie Brown,

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Speaker 1: she's the one who shed this light, she says, is

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Speaker 1: largely responsible for all the new developments in the case.

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Speaker 1: Says that Kenneth Starr, who you right remember as the

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Speaker 1: prosecutor who went after Bill Clinton, underwent a quote scorched

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Speaker 1: earth campaign to keep him out of prison. Now. Brown

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Speaker 1: details how Starr was hired by Epstein's team because, if

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Speaker 1: you might recall, back in the two thousands, George W.

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Speaker 1: Bush administration was ruling the country and he had good

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Speaker 1: connections there. Brown reveals that when Epstein's team thought that

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Speaker 1: he was in serious legal jeopardy, Starr came in and

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Speaker 1: ran the show, writing an eight page letter to Mark Phillip.

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Speaker 1: Mark Phillip was the second most powerful prosecutor in the country,

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Speaker 1: and the then Deputy Attorney General. It just so happens

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Speaker 1: that Philip was the former colleague of Kenneth Starr. They

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Speaker 1: had worked together before, and that Starr himself used much

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Speaker 1: of the flourishes that he did from the Star report

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Speaker 1: against Bill Clinton in his defense of Epstein. Starr somehow

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Speaker 1: twisted a tail in which the Justice Department was going

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01:12:07,640 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: after Epstein in order to try and engineer a quiet

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Speaker 1: plea deal with the billionaire which would benefit their friends.

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Speaker 1: Which friends exactly are unclear. Epstein's legal team started personally

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Speaker 1: going after the prosecutors on the case who had nailed

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Speaker 1: Epstein dead to rights. But here's where things get really interesting.

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Speaker 1: According to Brown's reporting, one of the prosecutors on the

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Speaker 1: case in Florida told associates, quote, someone in Washington was

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Speaker 1: calling the shots on the case. Worse, the female prosecutor

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Speaker 1: who developed the case against Epstein felt she had no

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Speaker 1: choice but to hurriedly sign a plea deal with him

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Speaker 1: because she believed Washington was about to make a determination

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Speaker 1: that he should not be prosecuted at all. Looking closer,

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Speaker 1: it's even more fishy the details that she describes. In

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, when the court and pomp Beach

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Speaker 1: County had to sign off on the state's plea deal

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Speaker 1: with Epstein. Judge presiding over that case, who had a

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Speaker 1: history of rejecting exactly such plea agreements, on the very

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Speaker 1: day of the hearing, for reasons that have yet to

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Speaker 1: be explained, he was unassigned. A new judge was assigned

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Speaker 1: to that case to handle the matter, who accepted the

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Speaker 1: now influenced plea deal. He set Epstein on the road

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Speaker 1: to Scott free life that he basically lived until his death. Now,

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Speaker 1: per the New York Times book review, Julie Brown doesn't

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Speaker 1: arrive at any definitive answers. How could she? It's frankly

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Speaker 1: a job too big for anyone journalists who doesn't have

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Speaker 1: subpoena power. That's always been the most frustrating part of

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Speaker 1: the developments with this case. There's titillating signs and developments everywhere,

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Speaker 1: but smoking guns never really seemed to materialize. All we

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Speaker 1: have are smoke and indications of an absolutely corrupt deal

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Speaker 1: involving the very highest levels of the Justice Department. Now

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Speaker 1: look a little bit closer. Why nobody knows? Was it intelligence?

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Speaker 1: Was it political? Was it billionaire influence? Was it all

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Speaker 1: of the above. These are questions that the very department

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Speaker 1: which likely was corrupted is really the one which is

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Speaker 1: to answer, and exactly that tension is what makes this,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, really unresolvable. All we seem destined to

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Speaker 1: get are these nuggets, which admittedly are kind of juicy,

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Speaker 1: like the revelation that Chris Kuomo's wife was apparently in

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Speaker 1: Epsteine's Little Black Book from the nineteen nineties. Weird huh.

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Speaker 1: I'll end with more questions than answers that I'll routinely

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Speaker 1: be on the lookout for. What was the actual source

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Speaker 1: of Epstein's wealth. Nobody still seems to know. Why did

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Speaker 1: the richest and most powerful people in the world remain

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Speaker 1: convinced that he and he alone seemed able to deliver

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Speaker 1: them a service which they couldn't get anywhere else. Why

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Speaker 1: did the US government and many others allow him to

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Speaker 1: covert around the world with underage girls with relative impunity

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Speaker 1: for three decades. Why when is now mistresses on trial

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Speaker 1: and in jail. Has there not been a serious development

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Speaker 1: in the case after promises of unsealed documents and charges

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Speaker 1: that only remain in the nineteen nineties. Why is the

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Speaker 1: largest financial institutions in the world get off pretty much

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Speaker 1: scott free in their pursuit of a relationship with Epstein.

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Speaker 1: These are the same questions that we've had since November

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, and we still don't have any good answers. Look,

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Speaker 1: we're going to keep waiting and watching here on the show,

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Speaker 1: but againning to think I shouldn't hold my breath. It's crazy, Crystal,

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Speaker 1: because Julie Brown joining us now. Longtime friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: Zed Jelani, independent journalist. What is an author of inquire More,

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Speaker 1: author of seemingly everything. He's one of the most prolific

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Speaker 1: guys that we know. He recently produced a mini documentary

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Speaker 1: for Fox News which was about a closing plant in Morgantown,

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Speaker 1: West Virginia. Let's take a listen to some of Zed's

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01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 1: work and we're going to talk to him about it afterwards.

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Speaker 1: They totally shifted their focus overseas and away from the

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Speaker 1: home hometown. They're interested in expanding in China there, but

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Speaker 1: I'm told that they're replacing these American jobs here in

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Speaker 1: Worktown with theotops at you in Australia. So I believe

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Speaker 1: this decision has been made by the company because there's

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Speaker 1: more money to be made overseas. They told us, for

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Speaker 1: the better of be interested in shareholders that it was

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Speaker 1: best off to shutou to Morningtown plan. Just to see

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Speaker 1: the industry leave our country period has been absolutely detrimental. Wow, Okay,

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Speaker 1: So tell me a little bitbout what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: Is that because this is not just one plant, this

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Speaker 1: is a special plant because Joe Manchin's daughter was the CEO,

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Speaker 1: it involves Epigen, which was a big controversy, and now

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Speaker 1: they're closing and moving production elsewhere. So there's a lot

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Speaker 1: going on here. Yeah. So basically this plant is in Morgantown,

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Speaker 1: West Virginia. It's in north kind of central West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: And I think a lot of viewers may recall the

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Speaker 1: scandal with Mylind Pharmaceuticals in the EpiPen. You know, that

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Speaker 1: was when Heather Brush, who it was CEO of this company,

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Speaker 1: she was actually Joe Manchin's daughter. In twenty twenty, this company, Mylin,

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Speaker 1: merged with another company, up John to create Viatrice, a

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Speaker 1: new kind of mega pharmaceutical company, and at that point

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Speaker 1: Heather Brush skipped out. She left the company. She got

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Speaker 1: a thirty million dollar Golden Paarachute, and they announced a

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Speaker 1: series of layoffs, and those layoffs were centered in Morgantown,

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Speaker 1: West Virginia, now Morgantown, the town that was basically created

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Speaker 1: by Myland Pharmaceuticals. The founder of Mylon Pushcars talked about

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Speaker 1: almost like a saint when you talk to people in

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Speaker 1: the town about when it comes to how much he

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Speaker 1: contributed to the vicinity. How much you know, the stadium,

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Speaker 1: the university, the hospitals, the merchants, everyone benefited from Myland

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Speaker 1: being there. And it was a hometown company. It was

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Speaker 1: kind of born and bred in Morgantown, in that area,

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Speaker 1: West Virginia. What happened was in the early two thousands,

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Speaker 1: Milan Pushcar stet down. He later passed away. How they

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Speaker 1: brush stepped up as CEO, and the company started to

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Speaker 1: globalize right And at that point, I think they started

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Speaker 1: to feel a lot less loyalty to those people in

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Speaker 1: West Virginia who had worked, you know, day and day

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Speaker 1: out and those plants growing the company, and they started

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Speaker 1: looking overseas. And what they did is a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks before Christmas Day in twenty twenty, they announced and

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Speaker 1: they told all the workers around fifteen hundred people that

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Speaker 1: they'd be losing their jobs, that they'd be closing the

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Speaker 1: plant and moving all of the work overseas to India

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Speaker 1: and to Australia. Wow, who did the workers that you

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Speaker 1: talked to, who did they blame? And did they I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's just it's a perfect story because of course the

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Speaker 1: politically connected, you know, the daughter of she gets out,

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Speaker 1: she gets her golden parachute. No harm done. There was

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Speaker 1: the workers left holding the bag here inimately blame or

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Speaker 1: did they have a specific person or entity or whatever

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Speaker 1: that they thought was to blame for this situation? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think so many of the workers brought up over

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Speaker 1: and over, and some of them had worked at the

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Speaker 1: plant fifteen or twenty years, so they had experienced. You know,

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Speaker 1: Mylon Pushcard, the old owner owning the company. They really

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Speaker 1: blamed the you know, the reality that he stepped down,

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Speaker 1: that he passed away, and the company was handed off

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Speaker 1: to people who weren't as loyal to the town of Morgantown,

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Speaker 1: who didn't feel like they had roots there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Heather Brush, who was the former CEO, Joe Manchin's daughter.

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Speaker 1: She lives in Pittsburgh, right, I'm sure she gets a

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Speaker 1: nice place up there. She doesn't even live in West

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Speaker 1: Virginia anymore. So I think that the change in leadership

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Speaker 1: the company was one factor. And then the other factor,

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Speaker 1: I think is that the elected officials in the town.

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Speaker 1: You know, they didn't have that much control over the situation.

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Speaker 1: It's a private deal, Viatrice. The new company wouldn't allow

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Speaker 1: them to tour the plant, which is necessity for finding

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Speaker 1: a new buyer for the plan to keeping the people employed.

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Speaker 1: But I think there was a sense among a lot

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Speaker 1: of them that the politicians really didn't care that much

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Speaker 1: about them. So, for instance, Joe Manchin, not only does

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Speaker 1: he have a family connection to this, but he's one

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Speaker 1: of the most important centers in the entire Senate. Yes,

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Speaker 1: his vote matters for everything. Right now. If you were

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Speaker 1: to go to Joe Biden and say, look, I have

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundred people losing their jobs over that many if

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Speaker 1: you count the corporate layoffs as well, you need to

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Speaker 1: give me some new investment Morgantown, he could probably pull

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Speaker 1: it off. And yet, when the union leader of that

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Speaker 1: plant met with Joe Manchin, Mansion was telling them, oh,

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Speaker 1: y'all make penicillin over there, and he's saying, we haven't

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Speaker 1: made penicillin in decades, right, Joe Mansion was barely paying

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Speaker 1: attention to this situation. The West Virginia House of Delegates

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Speaker 1: passed a resolution calling on the West Virginia government to

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Speaker 1: ask Joe Biden to use the Defense Production Act to

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Speaker 1: utilize the facility, you know, produce all kinds of medical COVID. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot. You've been talking. We've been

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Speaker 1: talking for the past year about how we don't produce

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Speaker 1: enough medical devices and pharmaceuticals here in the United States.

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Speaker 1: In a national security crisis, we need to have that

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Speaker 1: capacity here, and yet the Biden administration hasn't moved. And

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Speaker 1: we talked to a local reporter in West Virginia who

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Speaker 1: talked to the other West virgin and your said, or

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Speaker 1: Shelley Moore Capito asked her if she raised the issue

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Speaker 1: would Biden And she said she didn't raise the Defense

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Speaker 1: Production Act issue with him, So, oh my god, you know,

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Speaker 1: to some extent, Yeah, the elected officials don't have total

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Speaker 1: control of this situation, but it also doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: they completely care about the situation either. So let's dissect that.

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Speaker 1: Which is that Joe Manchin's got time for Exxon lobbyists.

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Speaker 1: Joe Manchin's got a lot of time here about you know,

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Speaker 1: being King of the Senate, but his own constituency or

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Speaker 1: losing a job. Not only is he not what's being

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Speaker 1: manufactured in their plant, his fans of family connection also

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Speaker 1: how does he not know if his daughter is the

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Speaker 1: one who's running the plant. Yeah, that's interesting. But you think,

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Speaker 1: and you cut it down to this, is that it

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01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like anybody's fighting for these people. They're just

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01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,599
Speaker 1: left completely of their own to the whims of economic

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Speaker 1: conditions that they can understand, but they don't seem to

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Speaker 1: have any say in this whatsoever. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: the saddest part. You know, people who have been reading

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Speaker 1: this story been asked me late, what do I think

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01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: is the solution? And I think we have we're not

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Speaker 1: talking seriously enough about the problem to come to solutions. Right,

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Speaker 1: because what's happening in Morgantown, And one of the workers

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Speaker 1: says this in the documentary, you know it can be

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Speaker 1: coming to the town to you next, Right, This is

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Speaker 1: the story of what's happened in Ohio, over and over Pennsylvania,

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01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: Wisconsin industrial base all over the United States is we've

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Speaker 1: seen homeground, homegrown companies grow to a size where they

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01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 1: start responding to shareholders instead of you know, they're no

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01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: longer family owned. They start looking overseas. They see it's

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Speaker 1: cheaper to produce there. See, the workers are much cheaper

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Speaker 1: to employ there, so they move out. And that's happened

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Speaker 1: over and over, and I think in successive election seasons

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Speaker 1: we've seen politicians talk about how much they hate offshore,

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Speaker 1: how much they hate outsourcing. But the only real solution

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Speaker 1: we have, I mean, these workers will get what's called

1537
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 1: trade Trade Adjustment Assistant's THAA, and that means that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I talked to one lady. She's in her sixties. Now

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01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: she's going to have to go to school and get

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01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:46,719
Speaker 1: trained to do something totally different, like maybe she doesn't

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01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:48,640
Speaker 1: want to, you know, yeah, she doesn't want to. And

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Speaker 1: also it's extremely difficult her age for her to do that. Right,

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01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 1: it's not a real it's kind of a band aid

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01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 1: to this problem, and yet it keeps happening to more

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01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 1: and more people. We always talk about how we need

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01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: industrial policy, how we need a discouraged outsourcing through our

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01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 1: tax code, you know, so on and so forth. And

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Speaker 1: yet when this happens under really bipartisan watch because you

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Speaker 1: have a Republican center, a Democratic center, you have a

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Speaker 1: state legislature, a governor who's a Republican, you have Joe

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Speaker 1: Biden as a president. Very few people are paying very

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01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 1: close attention to cases like this right now, right? How

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01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,120
Speaker 1: did this come about? This being a mini doc and

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Speaker 1: Fox News picking it up? What was the sort of

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01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: like backstory there? Yeah, so it's really interesting. Fox Digital,

1556
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,719
Speaker 1: which is kind of the digital or website of Fox,

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Speaker 1: they have a unit that's really interested in broadening the

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Speaker 1: Fox audience addressing issues which I think aren't clearly a

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Speaker 1: left right partisan divide issue, and I think this is

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Speaker 1: one of those. It was it was the sort of

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Speaker 1: topic they wanted to take on because they think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's the kind of thing that you should

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Speaker 1: be interested in, whether they're a Democrat or a Republican.

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Speaker 1: And when I was in Morgantown, it was really interesting

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Speaker 1: because it is one of the more democratic parts of

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Speaker 1: the state for the students and a lot of local

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Speaker 1: art officials Democrats, but they were all happy to talk

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Speaker 1: to Fox. And you know, it's funny that they were

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Speaker 1: even in this Democratic Party, the say, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people like Trump are at least like tolerated try for

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Speaker 1: you know, they felt like he at least spoke to them.

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Speaker 1: So I think, yeah, it's it's the kind of issue

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Speaker 1: that everyone should be concerned about. It's not a it's

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Speaker 1: not a red meat culture thing, it's not a partisan thing.

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Speaker 1: And I think these folks at Fox are really generous

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Speaker 1: and and really broad minded to want to want to

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Speaker 1: cover issues like that. That's good. So what are some

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Speaker 1: of the other types of things you're going to be

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Speaker 1: taking a look at? Said, Yeah, so I think we'll

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Speaker 1: be making a few more things. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: scoop myself, but I think I think that, like I said,

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Speaker 1: the wheelhouse for this unit will be looking at issues

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01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:34,880
Speaker 1: where people on both sides are kind of being given

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Speaker 1: a raw deal, where where they're being kind of shut

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Speaker 1: out from the system and from the process, and where

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Speaker 1: they're not being covered by the rest of the mainstream media.

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Speaker 1: So those are the kind of topics that we look at. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: business venture, they're going to respond to you know if

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Speaker 1: of support. These kind of like actually digging into substantive

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