1 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,639 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Favor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren Vogelbaum. And today we're 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: talking about Sage. Yes, and as we record this, this 4 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,319 Speaker 1: is our first recording of so Happy New Year, Yes, 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: Happy New Year. Welcome, welcome back, Welcome, welcome back, Annie back, 6 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: thank you. I mean you know here, but I guess 7 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: welcome back to the virtual podcasting space. Yeah. Yeah, it 8 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: feels it feels like it's been a really long time, 9 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: as everything from the past year or so has felt so. Yes. Yes, 10 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: but happy New Year nonetheless. And this was your your 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: suggestion and it made me giggle. But why did you 12 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: choose Sage? Well, okay, all right. Um, I was thinking 13 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: about Sage because I was still in the kind of 14 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: mindset of holiday cooking. Um. So I was thinking about 15 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: some of those good, uh, savory herbs that you get 16 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: to use that are just so like warming and nice. Um. 17 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: And and I remembered, um, after about five minutes of 18 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: preliminary research that we had already done Bay Leaves, and 19 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 1: so I switched to Sage, which I Bai leaves. I 20 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: still find fascinating even after we've done the episode on 21 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: and I find them very interesting. Oh yeah, yeah, but okay, 22 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,319 Speaker 1: but so why did it? Why did it make you giggle? 23 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: I thought you were suggesting it because people burn it 24 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: in in the new year. Oh oh, is that it? Okay, 25 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that later. And I are 26 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: have some pretty strong opinions about I mean, okay, I'm 27 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: getting ahead of myself. Do what you want, be respectful. Um, 28 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: but that's no. No, we're ostensibly a food show. I 29 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 1: was talking about the culinary uses for it. Yeah. Well 30 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: I knew you would stick to that. I just thought 31 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: that's why it was on your mind. I Unfortunately, my 32 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: friend in high school she dated this guy named Sage 33 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: that I really couldn't stand. So now every time of 34 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: your stage I just have like the knee jerk angry reaction. 35 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: So that's really unfortunate, because I actually love the flavor 36 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: of sage. I don't use it that much at all, 37 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: but when I do, I'm always like, oh yeah, right, 38 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: oh I love it. Oh. I haven't made like a 39 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: good brown better sage situation in a long time. Yeah, 40 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: I think so. That sounds delicious. Okay, Well, now that 41 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that, let's get through our question. Yes, sage. 42 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: What is it? Well, Uh, sage is a type of 43 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: herb that we love because it's kind of stinky. Um. 44 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: It's in a it's in the mint family. It is, 45 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:14,239 Speaker 1: in fact the most prolific member of the mint family. Um. 46 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: They're like nine species of sage Um, lots of types, 47 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: but generally speaking, the one that you will find sold 48 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: as a culinary herb is common sage. Botanical name Salvia 49 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: a fish analis um, which is a small shrubby plant. 50 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: It can grow up to a couple of feet like 51 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: less than a meter tall, has leaves that are long 52 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: and pebbly and kind of soft or fuzzy to the 53 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: touch because that's where that's where it stores it's it's 54 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: it's oils right on the surface of the leaves, and 55 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: they stick to the leaves because these tiny little hairs 56 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: um that are also nice and fuzzy anyway. Um, those 57 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: leaves can be uh silvery gray to green to yellow 58 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: to purplish in color. Um. They bloom with stalks of 59 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: these pretty little pink to purple flowers that um, when pollinated, 60 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: will produce basically just seeds that you can use to 61 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: grow more sage. It's not really a fruiting kind of situation. Um. 62 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a it's a temperate climate perennial plant, 63 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: meaning it will come back year after year. Their most 64 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: varieties will um as long as you don't over harvest 65 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: its leaves and um, it doesn't get like two two cold. 66 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: It doesn't want it to be that cold anyway. Um. 67 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: The flavor can vary a bit um, but it's generally 68 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: a warm earth the mildly bitter kind of vibe with 69 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,040 Speaker 1: notes of like citrus and pine and camphor. Um. And 70 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: the dried stuff does tend to be more bitter than 71 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: the fresh, the fresh being a little bit more bright. Um. 72 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it's common in Mediterranean style sausages and 73 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: holiday stuffings. Um, but can be and is used with 74 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: many meats in different sauces. Uh as the the aforementioned 75 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: brown butter thing. Man, you brown some butter and then um, 76 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: which means that you separate out the sugars um from 77 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,599 Speaker 1: the fats, and then you kind of toast the sugars 78 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: and then you fry sage leaves that hot oil. Oh 79 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: it's so good. Yeah that sounds amazing. I think I 80 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: actually have had that. Yeah, Yeah, it's it's pretty common 81 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: as a topping for um, for like nilki or um 82 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: or some kinds of ravioli stuff like that. Yeah, oh, 83 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: go look up, go look up a recipe and do 84 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: it right now. I just ate and I'm so hungry 85 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: thinking about it. Yeah, I actually didn't. So this one 86 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,760 Speaker 1: was an interesting one to search because sage also means wise, 87 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: and a ton of companies have used it in their 88 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: name because of yes. And then also yes, some people 89 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,600 Speaker 1: are named sage. And then all the results I was 90 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: getting was for since Thanksgiving and Christmas did just happen? 91 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: Was for like turkey recipes where you use sage, And 92 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: so it took a lot of sifting to get to 93 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: the Yeah. Yeah, those that sometimes sometimes google food is 94 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: is more difficult than others. Oh yes, but okay not not. 95 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: The companies are the people we're talking about, Sage the 96 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 1: food product. What about the nutrition, Well, you're usually not 97 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: really eating enough of it to like really make an 98 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: impact either way. Even among herbs, sage is known for 99 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: having the sort of of strength of flavor where a 100 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: little bit goes quite a long way. Um. But medicinally, 101 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: sage has been used for forever, essentially for the treatment 102 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: of just all kinds of things UM, and research has 103 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: shown that of the twenty eight or so compounds that 104 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: are frequently found in various varieties of common sage UM, 105 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: several have potentially beneficial properties UM, including antioxidant, anti viral, antibacterial, antifungal, 106 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: anti inflammatory, anti two were anti diabetic and pro digestive effects. 107 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: There's even some evidence that UM that sage can help 108 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: treat Alzheimer's because it can inhibit this one enzyme in 109 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: the brain that that essentially MUCKs around with one of 110 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: our important neurotransmitter compounds. So by inhibiting that inhibitor, UH, 111 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: your your your brain works better. UM. I'm really simplifying. 112 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: This is an extreme simplification. UM. I mean that being said, 113 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 1: you know, like don't don't go like snorting sage or 114 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: anything like that to get these effects. UM. Maybe maybe 115 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: make some tea out of it incorporated in your diet. 116 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: UM look into look into essential oils and stuff like 117 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: that if you're interested in it. UM. I will say 118 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: that the common sage taken in high doses can be 119 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: harmful because if it's relatively high concentration of UM do 120 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: jone UM, which can cause stuff like seizures. So that's 121 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: bad times so um so. In essence, as with everything, 122 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: human bodies are complicated. More research is necessary, and before 123 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: taking medicinal doses of dang anything, consult someone who is 124 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: aware of medicine more than we are. Literally anyone literally 125 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: a medical profession. Both are good, double get both points 126 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: of view. Oh man, the first time we get to 127 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: say our slugan you know, hey, also, common sage sounds 128 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: like a non playable character you'd interact with in D 129 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: and D common sage. Tell me that's not that doesn't 130 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: sound like that, right right? This is not This is 131 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: not like a high level sage. This is not you know, uh, 132 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: it's a common sage. So your your results are hit 133 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: or miss with this. This person or gnome could be anything, hey, 134 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: right right? Gnomes are people to this is This is 135 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: what bothers me about the nomenclature no pun intended of 136 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:23,079 Speaker 1: dungeons and dragons. Well that's good to know, because I 137 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: actually get all caught up in the like can I 138 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: say people? And what does that involve? What I'm trying 139 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: to describe things? So I'm glad you feel that way. 140 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: I do. I do, as as long as you don't 141 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: say humans. Um I think you're okay, okay, I think 142 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: that's my opinion. I we can get into the linguistics 143 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 1: often in some other time. Fine, Lauren, So, sage has 144 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: a very long and storied history. Oh yes it does, um, 145 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: And we are going to get into that as soon 146 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: as we get back from a quick break for a 147 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 148 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: thank you. So. Yes, sage has quite a long history. 149 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: I could not find an exact date of just how long, 150 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: but it's long, it is, it's long. Historians suspect it 151 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: originated in the Mediterranean and Asia minor Um, which is 152 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: the Asian area of modern day Turkey, and one of 153 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: the first known recorded mentions of stage goes back to 154 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: b C. Crete and yeah, from the jump. Humans believed 155 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: that sage could do all kinds of things. It had 156 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: all these healing properties. The ancient Romans prized sage so 157 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: highly that they thought it was worthy of the god 158 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: Jupiter himself, who was like the top you know. Yeah, yeah, 159 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the Zeus, Yeah, exactly. And they 160 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: believed it had all sorts of beneficial medicinal properties, from 161 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: improving memory, senses and In mythology, it was frequently depicted 162 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: as granting increased mental capacity. One thing I read suggested 163 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: that the ancient Romans even had ceremonial requirements for collecting sage, 164 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: like the collector had to wear clean clothes, cut with 165 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: a knife that was not iron. And perhaps even uh 166 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: collecting stage called for a food sacrifice. Yeah. Traditional Chinese 167 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: medicine prescribed it for a plethora of elements too, and 168 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: the ancient Egyptians might have used it for fertility. Historically, 169 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: I guess wealthy women also used it as a sort 170 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: of way to freshen up, as they say, which was 171 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: a phrase that confused me a lot as a child, 172 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: But now I think I understand what are they talking 173 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: about freshen up. In fact, sage was so closely associated 174 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: with healing. The name self comes from the Latin word 175 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: to save our to heal salvo um. And this might 176 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: might be a reference to the Christian tale of the 177 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: Holy Families. Dangerous escaped to Egypt just when they were 178 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: almost discovered by enemy soldiers, a thicket of sage provided 179 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: them cover and saved them. Yeah. Maybe um stage was 180 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: also used for food, though, particularly seasoning meats and preserving 181 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: meat too. Uh, but really this like medicinal thread is Oh, 182 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: it's just so strong. Throughout history, some sources suggested if 183 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: you were looking to cure lethargy and or memory problems 184 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: during medieval times, you might be advised to dip the 185 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: back of your head in a mixture of wild cellery, St. 186 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: John's wort and sage. Uh. Sage itself was thought to 187 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: increase longevity, uh, ease grief, make you happier, and of 188 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: course allowed young women to see into the future to 189 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: learn who their husband would be. And according to a 190 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: few sources, a poem from the medieval work this learning 191 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 1: in Rule of Health went as follows, how can a 192 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: man die who grows sage in his garden? Wow? Pretty easily, 193 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 1: as it turns out. But oh harsh, Lauren s medieval poem. Um, 194 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: I don't agree. Yes, Can you imagine this person is 195 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: trying to do like a dramatic reading. You know, people 196 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: are snapping and you you just cut in, like pretty easily, 197 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: a good old medieval killjoy corner. Lauren just like just 198 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: like stands up in the back and goes you're wrong, 199 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: and you suck booge I've had that's in your ancestral history. 200 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: That's like a previous version of you. I'm you know, 201 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: I strongly suspect that you are correct. I can't. I 202 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: know that I got this cantankerous nous honestly from both 203 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: sides of my family. So well, you're heckling. The hecklic 204 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: of your ancestors didn't seem to affect a lot of people, 205 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: because this trust in stages healing qualities even extended to 206 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: a preventative for the black plague. Uh. It may have 207 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: also been planted on graves in England. Um. I heard 208 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: that that's still commonly, not commonly, but sometimes practiced in 209 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: rural England. So if any listeners know this was sort 210 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: of you know, well, I would put it in the 211 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: category of I can't confirm it is sort of sounds 212 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: like a legend to me, but um, if someone can, 213 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: that'd be great. Uh. And some English old wives tales 214 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: that claim that stage grows best in homes where the 215 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: women dominate. This is the phrase that used, which, according 216 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: to another tradition, is the German by sage plants planted 217 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: by newly wed bride and grooms and whichever flourishes the 218 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: one planted by the bride or the groom. That person 219 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: is the dominant one in the household. Again, if anyone 220 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: could confirm if this is true, if this is an 221 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: old wives tale, I would love to hear it. Yes. 222 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: Emperor Charlemagne decreed in the ninth century that stage should 223 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: be grown in the gardens of imperial estates, and around 224 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: the same time Walafrid Strabo's poem Hortulis mentioned sage. Quote 225 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: there in the very front glows sage, sweetly scented. It 226 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: deserves to grow green forever, enjoying perpetual youth, for it 227 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: is rich in virtue and good to mix in a 228 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: portion of proven use for many a human ailment. Uh. 229 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: And yeah, it was so prized it was. It could 230 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: get up to it could be valued pretty highly, and 231 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: its trade value reached a lot too. So people were really, 232 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: they were really into stage. They thought it could cure 233 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: a lot um. In English botanists John Gerard's work Gerard's 234 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 1: Herbal he prescribed stage for curing wounds for the ill, 235 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: with quote bruised insides for treatment of syphilis, swelling reduction ulcers, 236 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: to cause perspiration to ease trembling for those coughing up blood, 237 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: coughing in general, side pain, sneak bites, purging blood, strengthening SNeW, 238 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: brightening the skin, and to remove head flim when placed 239 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: in the nostrils. According to him, ancient Romans called Stage 240 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: the holy herb, and pregnant women concerned about miscarriages would 241 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: eat sage to quote, closet the matrix and maketh them fruitful, 242 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: as it retaineth the birth. And when mixed with honey, rosemary, 243 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: and white wine, it was recommended as an excellent water 244 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: to wash the secret parts of man or woman. That 245 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: is a quote, yes, and that's not all. Nicholas Culpeppers 246 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: sixty three work. Culpepper's Complete herbal recommended the leaves and 247 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: branches of Stage for inducing your after miss carriages, for 248 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: expelling the child and turning your hair black or removing 249 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: dark color from hair. I found mixed like. I read 250 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: the thing, and I thought it meant like if you 251 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: had dark hair and get rid of your dark hair. 252 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: But apparently I might have misinterpreted it, and I there 253 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: would give you dark hair get rid of your dark 254 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: hair one or the other. Yes, it would be very 255 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: upsetting if you got the opposite result, although I have 256 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: my doubt. Sage was really playing role in that. Yeah. 257 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: Probably again probably not sorry sorry nick uh. He also 258 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: called four stage to treat ulcers, stopping bleeding in the 259 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: coughing of blood during tuberculosis, for coughs in general, to 260 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: uh dysentery killing, parasitic worms, insect stings, hankerstres intestinal pain 261 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 1: caused by gas, and a mixture of sage and a 262 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 1: few other things for fasting. And this is like a 263 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: condensed list for both of these. Um. Yeah. Yeah, they 264 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: really believed they were super into it. Yeah, And which 265 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: is why it is so interesting that this ongoing research 266 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: is finding things like like like that stage may be 267 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: able to help help relax muscles in the gut thus um, 268 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: thus preventing things like pain caused by gas. Um. So 269 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: it's wild. I mean, you know, it's it's it's not 270 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: that wild. It's it's it's not that wild. Actually, when 271 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: you think about it, that humans have tried a thing 272 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: for thousands upon thousands of years um and over repeated 273 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 1: relative success. They were like, oh yeah, sure, use it 274 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 1: for that. Um. Although you know, as as with anything, um, 275 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: humans get all kinds of ideas about stuff. So you've 276 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 1: gotta you gotta pick and choose what you're gonna believe 277 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: with a little bit of a cynical eye. Humans get 278 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: all kinds of ideas, but all kinds of stuff, so 279 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: use your cynical evaluate. Stage arrived in North America with 280 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: European colonists in the sixteenth century, where it was popular 281 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: in all kinds of things, and it remained among the 282 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: most popular herbs until World War Two. I tried to 283 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: figure out because I know there was sage here already, 284 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: but it's not the sage we're talking about. I'm pretty 285 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: sure I think it was a different species. Yeah, yes, 286 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: so uh. Native Americans use sage for treating skin sores 287 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: and to purify in a process the English later dubbed 288 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: as smudging. So according to ethnobotanist and indigenous writer Russell 289 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 1: and La Pierre Quote, smudging is the process of burning 290 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: dried plants or other natural elements and then using the 291 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: smoke to cleanse themselves. Objects are even places. Usually the 292 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 1: dried plants are burned or a hot coal placed in 293 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: a large shell are on the ground. The person places 294 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: both hands over the smoke, takes the smoke within her 295 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: hands and beginning with her head and continuing downward washes 296 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: her entire body with the smoke. So, as we alluded 297 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: to at the top, the process of doing this with sage, 298 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: of burning sage to cleanse and purify has become more mainstream. 299 00:19:59,880 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: And as that has happened, it has sparked a whole 300 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: conversation about cultural appropriation, commercialization, and respect, especially given the 301 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: history of persecution that Native Americans faced for things like 302 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: burning stage. Uh. Yep, yeah, so okay, So so y'all 303 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: might remember when smudging um became pretty popular on like 304 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: Instagram and stuff. Um as of nineteen and okay, let's 305 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: let's let's let's back up. Prior to that, UM, there 306 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 1: are times in the United States where it has been 307 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: literally illegal for Indigenous peoples to engage in religious and 308 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: other cultural practices. UM. It was, in fact, for almost 309 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: a hundred years literally illegal. UM. So going going way back, UM, 310 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: conversion to Christianity was encouraged UM as part of like 311 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 1: the colonists and later the United States governments, well a 312 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: deep racism um but be like desire for the lands 313 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: that native peoples were inhabiting. But in eight three um 314 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: uh it was codified in the creation of the Courts 315 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: of Indian offenses. And these were these federally run organizations 316 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: that enforced codes of conduct on reservations that prevented the 317 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: practice or even the encouragement of the practice of traditional dances, feasts, 318 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: and other cultural acts. Um. Like, leaders and practitioners were imprisoned, 319 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: food rations were withheld from communities. And now, if you're thinking, 320 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what about the First Amendment? Um, Remember 321 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: that Native Americans weren't considered citizens until nineteen twenty four UM. 322 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: And it furthermore took until nineteen seventy eight for a 323 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 1: bill specifically preventing religious persecution of Native people's to be passed. 324 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: Um end. So, when smudging became like instant trendy around 325 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: um the pretty silvery toned type of sage called white 326 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 1: sage that grows specifically in southern California and has been 327 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: a part of these traditional ceremonies and medicines for centuries, 328 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: it began to be over harvested and harvested incorrectly by 329 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: non native people who were making a profit off of 330 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 1: it and wrecking the ecosystem and making it harder for 331 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: Native people to access the plant while they were making 332 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: that profit. UM. So so UM. You know, if if 333 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: you if you like burning sage, UM, you know burns 334 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: some it smells nice. Probably don't call it smudging UM. 335 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: And and generally yeah, I don't know. Just just try 336 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: not to be trying not to damage the planet. UM, 337 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: try not to be rude two people who we have 338 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: already been so rude to for so many centuries. UM. Yeah, 339 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it is that whole conversation about UM, 340 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: about appreciation versus appropriation. So you know, like if you're 341 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: if you're going, if you really respect UM and are 342 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: interested in and UM and want to learn more about 343 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: and in some way participate in UM indigenous cultural practices, 344 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: then go to indigenous learning centers. UM. You know, find 345 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: information from the people's who who know about it and 346 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: who are willing to to talk about it and and 347 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: teach about it UM by products from those people. Don't 348 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,360 Speaker 1: go to urban outfitters or whatever it is and buy 349 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 1: something that has a native print because it's probably not. 350 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: And b um, that's just someone make money off of 351 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: people who have had enough grief. UM, we were talking 352 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: about sage. We were well. This trend also prompted a 353 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: few studies into potential health benefits of burning sage. Yeah, 354 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 1: so I'm like the killjoy corner continues. The main study 355 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: that gets referenced about how burning sage can remove of 356 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: bacteria from a room's air for multiple days. Um, that 357 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 1: study didn't actually burn sage. It was a mixture of 358 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 1: other herbs and woods and stuff. Um so so that's fun. 359 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: Um uh. That being said, again, some of these, um, 360 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: some of these compounds that are found in sage do 361 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: have some of these um antimicrobial and etcetera properties. So 362 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe um arn it if you like it, folks. Um. 363 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: And you know, this is one of those episodes where I, 364 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: in fact, did have to keep reminding myself we are 365 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: a food show. Yeah, so I did. I want to 366 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: put in here that it's worth noting smoke cleansing in 367 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: general has been practiced by various cultures for various reasons 368 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: for thousands of years. So oh yeah, cultures all over 369 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: the world have been using herbs and woods and what 370 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: have you for for all of these different purposes. Um, 371 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: for for as long as we've had fire and also herbs. 372 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: Um so uh but but but yes, uh food show. Yes. Yes. 373 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: In research out of the UK found that products being 374 00:25:55,080 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 1: sold in local markets labeled sage and and oregano, where 375 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: both frequently heavily adulterated UM with other cheaper plant leaves 376 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: like olive leaves. UM. Nothing blatantly unsafe, um, but it 377 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: means that consumers are getting less like culinary bang for 378 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: their buck. And of course accuracy and food labeling is 379 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: important for folks with sensitivities and allergies. UM. To take 380 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: away from the research is basically that food fraud exists, um, 381 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: and that you should buy from trusted brands perhaps instead 382 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 1: of like global online retailers. Um. That would be the 383 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: sage thing to do. Oh, I see what you did there. 384 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: We had to do it at least once you wait 385 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: to vary ends when we're talking about food fraud. That's right, 386 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: what I understand. It's a really big problem with spices 387 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: in general. Yeah yeah, spices, UM and fishing I believe 388 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: are the two the two biggest categories of food fraud. 389 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: But I haven't looked into it for half a minute, 390 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: so I could be wrong. Um. Oh I feel like 391 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: I feel we went places on this one. Um. Yeah 392 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: we did, we did, um, and it is it is 393 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: so it is so interesting to me that um, these 394 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: these ties between between food and medicine, and I really 395 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 1: am looking forward to UM to further research into into Yeah, 396 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: how we can how we can use these wonderful tasty products, 397 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: uh to uh to do cool stuff me too, fascinating, 398 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: all fascinating stuff, human body, strange, so weird, so weird, 399 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 1: so weird. Well, hopefully we'll get to maybe we'll get 400 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 1: to revisit this one in the future. But that's what 401 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: we have to say about stage four now for now. Yes, 402 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: and we do have some listener mail for you, but 403 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: first we have one more quick break for word for 404 00:27:52,400 --> 00:28:04,720 Speaker 1: our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you, 405 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: and we're back with I was gonna do an obi 406 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: Wan Kenobi impression because I'm actually really good at obi 407 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: Wan Kenobi. But then I was like, how do I 408 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,880 Speaker 1: communicate obi Wan Kenobi via Skype in a way that's 409 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 1: very on the spot, and there's not a lot of 410 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: time to communicate. And then I realized I'm in my 411 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 1: cosplay closet and I do have JETI robe in here, 412 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: because of course I do. Of course, would have required 413 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: a costume change that might be the next evolution this 414 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: whole thing. Wow. Yeah, yeah, And then we really would 415 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: have to start recording them. If they're going to involve 416 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: costume changes. That's that's the whole thing. Um doesn't take 417 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: to record an episode, well, it would take only forty minutes, 418 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: but an he's going to do a fifteen minute cost 419 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: change for the listener mail. So we tried to stopper, 420 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: but she wouldn't be stopped. She couldn't be I feel 421 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: like Obi one is a very sage. He made some 422 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: questionable choices, but he's got he does, he does for sure, 423 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: for sure. Now I'm just now, I'm just thinking about 424 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 1: Obi one. Okay, alright back, let's have a conversation about 425 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: that at a later date, because I got a lot 426 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: of thoughts that in the Psychology of Darth Vader. But okay, 427 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 1: um Luna wrote, I just listened to the classic rerun 428 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: episode on gingerbread and gingerbread houses, and I felt like 429 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,959 Speaker 1: I had to write in. See, none of my family 430 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: was really ever into desserts or sweet stuff, so the 431 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: idea of actually eating any part of the gingerbread houses 432 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: after they were made was entirely out of the question. 433 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: We also had a lot of bug problems, so leaving 434 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: them out as decorations also wouldn't be good to say, 435 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: would just attract ants. Instead, we did something a little 436 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: bit unique. Her annual family gen Your bread House building 437 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: competition was concluded with us bringing all our new creations 438 00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: to the backyard and blowing them up spectacularly with various fireworks. 439 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 1: We would sometimes specifically build certain parts weaker so they 440 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: would fly off more dramatically, like by barely attaching the roof, 441 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: or by also hiding a little gingerbread person into the 442 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: inside so they'd get thrown into the air as well. 443 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: We'd use long strings of firecrackers, fountain fireworks, and even 444 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: the big mortar fireworks for different effects. And then it's 445 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,640 Speaker 1: been the next few days cleaning up charred remains of 446 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: our gingerbread homes and folks out of our backyards. Honestly, 447 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: it was probably hugely dangerous, but it was under adult 448 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: supervision and at the suggestion of my parents, so maybe 449 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: it wasn't as dramatic as I'm remembering. Either way, it 450 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: definitely made for unique Christmas tradition and a lot of 451 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: fun memories. Wow, that's great, I want to do that. 452 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: I've never blown up a gingerbread house before, and now 453 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, what was that even doing? I mean right, yeah, 454 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: and furthermore, right, you know, like like like usually when 455 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: you're building a gingerbread house here, you're really trying to 456 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 1: shore up the structural integrity UM for for for a 457 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: long lasting architecture. Um But but this is a whole 458 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 1: different This is a whole different ginger ball game. Yeah. Yeah, 459 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: trying to make a weaker I'm into it. The better 460 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: the explosion, Yeah, I got it. Yeah, huh. Cal wrote 461 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: I heard the Mystery of the Giant Lemons at the 462 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: end of the Olive episode last week, and it jogged 463 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: my memory in very delicious ways. I have some secondhand 464 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: experience with Southern Italian lemons and firsthand experience with homemade 465 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: lemon Cello thanks to a very cool ex girlfriend who 466 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 1: happened to be from eastia um An Island just off 467 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: the coast of Naples that is part of the home 468 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: region of lemon Cello. I remember her describing the lemons 469 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: as much large and I think melaware than standard grocery 470 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: store lemons, and that lemon Cello made with standard small 471 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: lemons just isn't the same. Perhaps some transplanted lemons from 472 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: the Unmalfi Coast are the answer to the Mystery of 473 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: the Prodigious Citrus. Oh maybe maybe I also think the 474 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: Mystery of the Prodigious Citrus is a book that needs 475 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: to be written. Yeah. Yeah, I'm shocked that it wasn't 476 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: from the Series of Unfortunate Events. Yes, I was going 477 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: more Agatha Christie, but that probably makes more more sense. Yeah, 478 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: it's sort of an overlapping. That's a Yeah, it's a 479 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: tight ven diagram of titles. Well, it's out there for 480 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: any listeners looking for a title name and a mystery 481 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: about a lemon. 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