Speaker 1: Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Greatest. Yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: to introduce Yeah, I feel like I was just like
Speaker 1: ramping us up from the beginning, and yeah, I think
Speaker 1: it's good that you brought. So. I'm Megan Gaily and
Speaker 1: that voice you hear from a handsome man is um
Speaker 1: my co host and husband, c J tolading Doong as
Speaker 1: some people call him. I call him Tolodonno, but you
Speaker 1: call me Toldonno in the household. Yeah, I say, get
Speaker 1: over here, Toldonno, let me slap your Peter. Megan's my
Speaker 1: Megan's my quarantine. Bully. I do not bully you, And
Speaker 1: that would make some of our reviewers who say, does
Speaker 1: he does she even love him? Bitch? Can you view
Speaker 1: a podcast? Okay? The laughing you here in the background
Speaker 1: is our wonderful guest we've been trying to get on
Speaker 1: for so many episodes. Finally have them. The Ringer Senior
Speaker 1: creative Jason Concepts. Jason, how are you doing. It's wonderful
Speaker 1: to be back with you. C J. Reforming the Filipino
Speaker 1: Los Angeles Mafia, I mean Los Angeles Basketball. I also
Speaker 1: want I don't think I've ever on record. Thank you
Speaker 1: for laying the tracks for Filipino whose main job is
Speaker 1: to care and uh and and research and talk about basketball.
Speaker 1: So thank you just at the top Trailblazers, We've done it.
Speaker 1: It's awesome to talk to you. You And also like
Speaker 1: when it comes to sports content, you are kind of
Speaker 1: the peak that like this, this could be this could
Speaker 1: be a ted talk, you know, like we could sit
Speaker 1: here silently. We will not, but there is a world
Speaker 1: where we could just ask you how I mean NBA desktop.
Speaker 1: When I have done that, thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: People react to that like from who I went to
Speaker 1: college with, bigger than anything I've ever done. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's the Apex for a lot of men that
Speaker 1: I knew in the early two thousand's. Well, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell you, it's fantastic up here the Apex. The air is,
Speaker 1: the air is thin, it is it is cold, and
Speaker 1: it is lonely at the at the Apex, absolutely lonely.
Speaker 1: But it's the struggle to get here. It was worth
Speaker 1: it just to hear that from you, Megan, Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. House the highlights we were having like a
Speaker 1: meeting and people were presenting their favorite YouTubers because we
Speaker 1: were doing like a little show and tell. I don't
Speaker 1: want to, you know, pull back the curtain a little
Speaker 1: too much back on how the millennial Instagram account operates.
Speaker 1: This is that you and you guys consider that work.
Speaker 1: Let me see it. I was going to tell you
Speaker 1: some girl was like, we were just presenting our favorite
Speaker 1: YouTube creators and shows, and someone presented yours and the
Speaker 1: whole time I was just trying to hold back, like bitch,
Speaker 1: I know him, that is a friend and I don't
Speaker 1: but I don't call my coworkers bitches or women bitches.
Speaker 1: But yeah that's what you do. Call them girls girl
Speaker 1: all the time. I know it's bad people like a
Speaker 1: child was there. I'm like, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: The Filipinos all keep track of each other. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's you myself, Pablo from ESPN and and
Speaker 1: uh Andrew Lopez. Yeah, yeah, that is like if there
Speaker 1: was a last supper, that's it, that's it. Well you
Speaker 1: could just do it at a booth. It's funny that
Speaker 1: you bring up Andrew Lopez because like for a few
Speaker 1: months in comedy and moving that here in l A,
Speaker 1: we didn't know each other, but everyone assumes because well,
Speaker 1: and it's like it was weird that we didn't because
Speaker 1: both of us were are from Iowa, and like that's
Speaker 1: how people also talked. Before you and I had met,
Speaker 1: people were like, wait, you don't know Jason. He works
Speaker 1: in basketball and he's Filipino. And I'm like, yeah, actually
Speaker 1: I'm surprised and mad that I I haven't met him
Speaker 1: yet either, So finally the world is somewhat right in
Speaker 1: that way. It's so funny when I met Andrew. I
Speaker 1: met Andrew like two weeks before Quarantine in the valley outside,
Speaker 1: like at outside some Comedy Central party, and he's like,
Speaker 1: are you Filipino? I was like yes, and then he
Speaker 1: was like, why don't I know? I and I don't know,
Speaker 1: but let's remedy that now. And then Quarantine happened because
Speaker 1: it's not supposed to. I feel adopted by the Filipino
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm okay. How how are you doing? Jason? Well, uh, well,
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's tough to be I've started my
Speaker 1: mornings with walks now just to feel like I'm I'm
Speaker 1: connected to the earth. It's been tough being inside for
Speaker 1: months my girlfriend lives in Washington, d C. So it's
Speaker 1: like when we're going to see each other again. Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got sorry. I didn't know you had a girlfriend.
Speaker 1: So I was reacting to I'm excited to hear, and
Speaker 1: then it dawned on me that you are having quarantine
Speaker 1: to wait from each other. So I went, oh, that
Speaker 1: part of it has been absolutely brutal. That we faced
Speaker 1: time a lot and watched Survivors all the time. We're
Speaker 1: bingeing Survivors and uh, and you know, meanwhile, as we're
Speaker 1: stuck inside during this global calamity, um, the world is
Speaker 1: absolutely falling apart. And meanwhile, as c J. I don't like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm going to assume, because of your
Speaker 1: Filipino heritage that you have many family members and or
Speaker 1: friends and or Filipino acquaintances who work in healthcare as
Speaker 1: I do and like, and so I have. You know,
Speaker 1: I have many people in my life that work in healthcare,
Speaker 1: which is anxiety inducing in this particular time. Uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's it is what it is. How are you How
Speaker 1: are you two doing? We were doing as good as
Speaker 1: can be. We have a home that we like, and
Speaker 1: we like each other and then I really had a
Speaker 1: tough like last two weeks, and now I feel myself
Speaker 1: emerging from that luckily. But now I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like c J and I have sort of switched places.
Speaker 1: And then there's part of me that wonders, like, oh,
Speaker 1: that that may just actually be a cycle of marriage.
Speaker 1: Of like when I was down, c J lifted me up,
Speaker 1: and now you know, he's sneezing and down own and
Speaker 1: I gotta lift him up. But it's not sneezing is
Speaker 1: not the number one issue. I'm not going to talk
Speaker 1: about your depression. Um No, it's you know, things are
Speaker 1: happening with the thing. In the beginning of quarantine. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you felt this way, which is so
Speaker 1: funny and sad to look back on. Was I think
Speaker 1: I was subscribing to the motto of like, it can't
Speaker 1: get any worse. At least we know the problem and
Speaker 1: we're just gonna We're gonna stay in, We're gonna wear masks,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do everything. Literally, I didn't. I couldn't even
Speaker 1: imagine it would get this bad. I did not either.
Speaker 1: It's wild. I read a article today about monkeys that
Speaker 1: like attacked and escaped with and I'm like, I guess
Speaker 1: that's just the thing. That's just normal, that's just stuff
Speaker 1: that's happening right now. The world it feels like it's
Speaker 1: falling apart, and you do have each other, though we
Speaker 1: have each other, I feel yeah, I mean, we're we're trying.
Speaker 1: Everyone is trying our best. And that's like something we
Speaker 1: say to each other, to our friends, were like, we're
Speaker 1: trying our family, We're trying our best. And then we're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we can do a podcast, like at the very least
Speaker 1: this podcast and I'm sure you're experiencing it with yours,
Speaker 1: is that you're hearing the voice of somebody else, your friends,
Speaker 1: you're it's like a form of check in and then
Speaker 1: maybe you know, in us talking about these almost not
Speaker 1: yeah negative sports stories, we're gonna bond and forget about
Speaker 1: what's going on in the world, but also maybe remind
Speaker 1: each other what's It's also like if there was no
Speaker 1: pandemic and none of this other bullshit terrible things happening,
Speaker 1: if if sports ceased to exist, that would also have
Speaker 1: a negative mental impact on all three of us, Like
Speaker 1: that is something we love and then and now we
Speaker 1: don't have it, and so it's an escape and and
Speaker 1: we don't have that escape unfortunately. Yeah, it's been really hard.
Speaker 1: I say, I guess I didn't. You know. Obviously I'm
Speaker 1: sports crazy like you two are, Um, but it's you
Speaker 1: do You don't really realize like how much you have
Speaker 1: you organize your life around the framework of what sporting
Speaker 1: events are happening, and that's just when that, among other things,
Speaker 1: is gone, and it's just like you just feel absolutely rudderless. Um.
Speaker 1: Speaking of creating a podcast in order so you can
Speaker 1: talk to your friends, I have lost the ability sometimes
Speaker 1: to like speak in person to people. I drove around
Speaker 1: to go visit people, you know, social distance, you know,
Speaker 1: very very responsible through the window, you know, six ft away.
Speaker 1: But just went to go see my friends because I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen them in a month and a half, two months,
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: how do I how do I speak in person anymore? What?
Speaker 1: What is eye contact? What am I looking at? What
Speaker 1: am I It just feels totally weird to do it.
Speaker 1: We're just like shut ins. Now it's our people's skills.
Speaker 1: Like I'm used to talking to c J every day,
Speaker 1: this is who I see in person and he's my husband.
Speaker 1: So we talk insane and saying, you know our most
Speaker 1: personal intimate detail, We know everything. I was on a
Speaker 1: work zoom. I have like some new agents that have
Speaker 1: been added to the man talk so that there's like
Speaker 1: a lot of folks on this zoom. This is a
Speaker 1: professional work call. We got whole Brady bunch of little
Speaker 1: zoom boxes. Lots of people got to listen. I don't
Speaker 1: need one agent, I need ten, okay, because I need
Speaker 1: a lot of people working on stuff for me. I
Speaker 1: told them that I that my Lexapro was back quartered,
Speaker 1: and then I was thinking about getting my I u
Speaker 1: D taken out and then I signed off, and it's
Speaker 1: like what am I talking about? That's so it would
Speaker 1: be funny if your agent did hit me up and
Speaker 1: be like what is the what what can you offer
Speaker 1: to get her I U D out? Like if that
Speaker 1: was the transit, Like now they're like, listen, Hollywood's dead,
Speaker 1: but maybe we can figure out how to get a
Speaker 1: one season of a baby, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I just was like I texted my managers after
Speaker 1: because they were on the call, and I was like,
Speaker 1: for the record, my skills are just not sharp and
Speaker 1: said weird things and they were like, no, it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's like, I don't know if it's fun. I absolutely
Speaker 1: feel you that that scene is so funny. Megan, we've
Speaker 1: got a new blue Diamond wants you back? I need
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I have said to my lawyer before.
Speaker 1: I love you, um like, and I said that. I
Speaker 1: told my therapist and she goes, do you love your lawyer?
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, I don't love him, but like
Speaker 1: I just say overly familiar things already. And now I
Speaker 1: think Quarantine has like ramped that up for me. And
Speaker 1: this is the beginning of my demise for sure. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: So with a lot of my guy guy friends, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's in the past, has been you know,
Speaker 1: when we've come anywhere close to talking about our feelings. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's good. How you doing good. That's a very good
Speaker 1: top up. It's funny. But now it's like everybody is like,
Speaker 1: I miss you, man, I love you, I miss you.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you again. It's really it's
Speaker 1: it's heartwarming, but it's also so sad. Well and Jason,
Speaker 1: that ship started happening when Kobe does. Isn't that crazy,
Speaker 1: Like we were talking talking, We're like it was like
Speaker 1: the our d m s were We're getting emotional, and
Speaker 1: like with with my friends, it was like we were
Speaker 1: dealing with our masculinity in that part and then this happened.
Speaker 1: So it's just like it's just coming in such in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways, that is that is a silver
Speaker 1: lining of his tragic, tragic death that it made people,
Speaker 1: you know, you see iverson how and it's like people
Speaker 1: are really feeling and really loving, and I think it
Speaker 1: opened us up to even be able to do that
Speaker 1: more during this time where we need that. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry that you guys aren't manly anymore. If anything, I
Speaker 1: think I'm sorry you don't have toxic like bleach coursing
Speaker 1: through your veins. But I still punch walls and still
Speaker 1: do that every just to keep it real, you know,
Speaker 1: just to keep the vibe going. Yeah. I keep telling
Speaker 1: CJ he can punch me, and he's like, no, it
Speaker 1: seems like a trick. It games like a trick. Jason.
Speaker 1: You're you're the host of Binge mode Um and obviously
Speaker 1: you know with Quarantine, everyone is like I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: back and I'm watching this TV show or these movies.
Speaker 1: What is your programming looking like? Over there? I've been
Speaker 1: watching Community. I'm going through Community because that's a huge
Speaker 1: hole in my sitcom experience. I didn't watch it at
Speaker 1: the time. I was more of an office thirty rock
Speaker 1: parts and wrecked person. So I'm watching a community and
Speaker 1: realizing one that it's great and too, like how many
Speaker 1: connections to the Marvel movies there are, which makes sense
Speaker 1: because the brothers directed Community and then also directed many
Speaker 1: of the Marvel movies. But it's just I'm seeing all
Speaker 1: these things and that's been wonderful. I've been filling the
Speaker 1: sports hole with Survivor seasons. Many people I think we
Speaker 1: got to get into the Survivors. It's it's coming from
Speaker 1: all angles people recommendating. Well, someone told me Dante Colepepper
Speaker 1: was in it and they didn't know who he was
Speaker 1: outside of it, and I was like, what is He's
Speaker 1: on Survivor. There are a number of athletes who have
Speaker 1: participated in Survivor. Scott Pollard, oh my god, come up there.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, let's say, do you have like a
Speaker 1: how did where did you John Rocker? Where did oh wow? Okay,
Speaker 1: where did you break into survive or not. You didn't
Speaker 1: go back to the beginning. No, I've always kind of
Speaker 1: watched it off and on, and but then it's several
Speaker 1: years back. I think when the seat when the Millennials
Speaker 1: Versus gen X season premiered, is when I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm back on the train. Before then, you know, after
Speaker 1: the first one, I had kind of been in and
Speaker 1: out and then I was back on the train. And
Speaker 1: then everybody at the Ringer is pretty much crazy about it.
Speaker 1: So I've just been pouring back over old seasons. I
Speaker 1: would say, if you're looking to get into it, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what we're looking for. If you're looking to
Speaker 1: get into it, well, first of all, the Ring Are
Speaker 1: Not Calm a fantastic website, and I sent from the Ring.
Speaker 1: Riley mcotee wrote a great piece about like how you
Speaker 1: can get into it. But I would say, you know,
Speaker 1: like Cook Islands, well number the first one is is
Speaker 1: kind of it's pretty necessary. Then, uh, Season seven, which
Speaker 1: has a stolen shoes incident that happens, is great. Cook
Speaker 1: Islands is fantastic. Cook Islands just a little setup has
Speaker 1: the tremendously bad idea as the setup of breaking the
Speaker 1: contestants into tribes, uh denoted by race, So you've got white, Latino,
Speaker 1: Asian and black and tremendously bad idea that they jettisoned
Speaker 1: by like the end of the second episode because they're like, oh, whoops,
Speaker 1: did we do I think we did a race war.
Speaker 1: It's a very happened down season, but like a lot
Speaker 1: of the characters who come back got their start there.
Speaker 1: That's a great one. And then once you start progressing,
Speaker 1: like Heroes Versus Villains is maybe the best season ever
Speaker 1: that season twenty and you know, on and on there's
Speaker 1: that that's a great one. It's just a wonderful, a
Speaker 1: wonderful show that really like scratches that itch for sports
Speaker 1: while also throwing in a bunch of you know, like
Speaker 1: soap operation kind of trauma. Yeah no, that sounds right,
Speaker 1: because everything that like networks have been throwing at us
Speaker 1: in place of sports is not working, Like Horse wasn't
Speaker 1: working for me. Ultimate Ultimate Tag, Holy Moly, where they're
Speaker 1: like specifically telling my dumbass brain listen, sports has gone.
Speaker 1: Let's watch the Watt Brothers host awkwardly host Ultimate Tag.
Speaker 1: And I was like in plane bomber Jackets. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: like they the bomber jacket budget on that show is insane.
Speaker 1: What's nice about reality TV? I like reality competition shows
Speaker 1: and why I think they translate better, Like for them
Speaker 1: to scrap it on episode two, it's like, yeah, they
Speaker 1: can do that, Like there aren't those aren't written rules somewhere.
Speaker 1: There's not like the MLB is overseeing it. They do
Speaker 1: the Unlove Island, They're like, oh, yeah, this person is
Speaker 1: crazy and they got kicked off. Guess what they're back
Speaker 1: like there's and holy moly, it's like, well, golfers exist,
Speaker 1: so like we know that you've made up rules, but
Speaker 1: like you, I think it's yeah, our brain is some
Speaker 1: is somehow willing to go into anarchy more than like, well,
Speaker 1: there's rules that are kind of based on something else
Speaker 1: that already exists. The other great thing about Survivor is
Speaker 1: you're watching people starve over the length of the of
Speaker 1: the season, which it you know, adds a tremendous amount
Speaker 1: of tention because you just are like, is this person
Speaker 1: going to die? I'm like, I'm truly concerned that this
Speaker 1: person is starting to death in front of my eyes. Damn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to watch that because also, yeah, I also
Speaker 1: have been eating too. It seems like a good and
Speaker 1: every time I do any sort of event watching, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta have a large pizza and it would be
Speaker 1: good if something I'm watching is reflecting. You can skip
Speaker 1: a meal, c J. You can need nineteen meals while
Speaker 1: watching this thing. But let's get to the topic. How
Speaker 1: let's take a break and come back. And we never
Speaker 1: do us before, but I I've been reading the people
Speaker 1: rating and we're gonna try this. We'll take a quick
Speaker 1: break and we're back. Okay. So yeah, we just had
Speaker 1: so much fun chatting. I was like, let's take a
Speaker 1: break and then get into the topics. Spell it out.
Speaker 1: Our topic for this episode is greatest sports scandals, and
Speaker 1: we were presenting you to some options. Jason, what drew
Speaker 1: you to this topic? Gosh, what what did draw? Maybe
Speaker 1: it's just like the general chaos of the world and
Speaker 1: and the and the various controversies that are going on
Speaker 1: as we speak, that that drew me to it. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's also a thing I appreciate about sports.
Speaker 1: It's just like that, you know, controversies. Now, I would
Speaker 1: like to say as a setup I'm doing, I'm only
Speaker 1: I only picked stuff that directly pertains to a sport.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing anything where it's like an athlete goes off,
Speaker 1: does something outside of their career or after they retire,
Speaker 1: and that it becomes a scandal. Great, I did the
Speaker 1: same thing. I did not know I was going to
Speaker 1: do that. But then when I started doing my quote
Speaker 1: unquote research, I was like, oh, it's pretty dark out here.
Speaker 1: It's dark. I was like, I don't want I don't
Speaker 1: want to Also like, I don't consider o J a scandal.
Speaker 1: I consider it a double homicide. Like so right there, No,
Speaker 1: it's on every list, and you're like, okay, it's like
Speaker 1: Larry Nasser, It's like, yes, for sure. I mean that's
Speaker 1: a tragedy. That's a horrific tragedy. That's a lot different
Speaker 1: than like shaving points. You know, mass pedophilia to me
Speaker 1: is a little more than Pete rose Um. And so
Speaker 1: I did say, I yeah, I was like, let's keep
Speaker 1: it a little lighter. And omissions of that does not
Speaker 1: mean we agree with anything. Here are some people that
Speaker 1: day was long retired, you know, you was long retired
Speaker 1: at that. These are some scandals that will not be
Speaker 1: on my list. Larry Nassar, Jerry Sandusky, O J. Simpson,
Speaker 1: Aaron Hernandez Ray Rice or Duke Lacrosse. Yes, not none
Speaker 1: of those. I have none of those either. That's not
Speaker 1: a sports scandal. That's someone committed crimes, which is funny
Speaker 1: when it's ranked on a like a website, like a
Speaker 1: curation website, You're like, uh, okay, but Jason, kick us
Speaker 1: off here, what do you got for your number three?
Speaker 1: Pick number three? I'm gonna go with the Tim Donnighy
Speaker 1: betting scandal in the NBA. Tim Donnaghy a long time
Speaker 1: NBA rest thirteen seasons he was. It was a pro
Speaker 1: ref from seven officiated some almost eight hundred games, and
Speaker 1: it would come out in the mid off seven that
Speaker 1: this guy had been Now the official stories that he
Speaker 1: had been giving information to gamblers that then helped the
Speaker 1: gamblers place their bets. Um and this is the this
Speaker 1: is the story that the NBA ran with, and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 1: That said, there is a lot of evidence from reporting
Speaker 1: on my ESPN by Harral Bob Vulgaris who now works
Speaker 1: for the MAVs, who was a long time professional gambler,
Speaker 1: and others that shows that Donny he did more than
Speaker 1: just give information like he'd likely gambled himself and and
Speaker 1: affected the point spread of games in the ways that
Speaker 1: he made calls and of course and to David stern
Speaker 1: Um pretty quickly like shovel dirt over this crisis in
Speaker 1: a way that made it go away as as quickly
Speaker 1: as possible. But there's a lot of evidence that it
Speaker 1: went further than what is officially recognized, So I would
Speaker 1: put that there. This strikes at the very heart of
Speaker 1: like fair contests, right, No, it definitely affected game outcomes.
Speaker 1: We did a rewatch of the Malice at the Palace recently,
Speaker 1: and he was a wth at that game. It was
Speaker 1: like so jarring to even see him there because he's
Speaker 1: so infamous now. But yeah, I was working. I was
Speaker 1: an intern in a sports newsroom the summer that this happened,
Speaker 1: and it was the lead story every single day. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's to to have a wreath who is cheating and
Speaker 1: gambling that? I mean, that's like, what is the what
Speaker 1: is the role of a wrath too? It's at least
Speaker 1: literally doing the opposite for personal gain. Uh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean so this was my number one pick. But this
Speaker 1: happens on the show a lot. We just overlap, and
Speaker 1: I love just I mean, this was just it changes
Speaker 1: the timeline and the fact that really like he was
Speaker 1: charged when the what the federal investigation he was being
Speaker 1: investigated for, not even that particular series, it was just
Speaker 1: for his other involvements. And then I don't did you
Speaker 1: ever read or did you ever get your hands on
Speaker 1: his book, which The Whistle? I did it, I have
Speaker 1: not read it. If I have not read it, it's
Speaker 1: just like, well I think it was renamed a personal foul,
Speaker 1: which I also I wish if there was a sports
Speaker 1: talk show just like rejected titles for Tim Donnie's book,
Speaker 1: but personal Blow and the Whistle or whatever. But uh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, it's so insane to me what could have
Speaker 1: happened had the King's won the two thousand two series
Speaker 1: and just the NBA and what we have the storylines
Speaker 1: that we've seen since would have been so much different.
Speaker 1: I could not agree more. And it's also you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's funny to just think about what the official
Speaker 1: story is here that you would go through this trouble
Speaker 1: and put your career at risk um get involved with,
Speaker 1: you know, fringe gang members in order to not even
Speaker 1: place bets on or affect the outcome of the games,
Speaker 1: just merely to pass information and say, oh, this this
Speaker 1: guy is has a cold, or this one it seems sick,
Speaker 1: or this one's not gonna play. Come on, folks, that
Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense, right. Did they ever
Speaker 1: get into like how much if any of the mob
Speaker 1: was involved, Like whenever I was dambling in sports, I'm
Speaker 1: just like, Okay, the mob is involved in some way.
Speaker 1: There were mobs, there were mob figures involved in all
Speaker 1: of this. They somehow, I think they came in. He
Speaker 1: was involved with mostly professional gamblers. And then as this
Speaker 1: started to grow, the mob became involved and they saw
Speaker 1: this as a as a golden goose to be managed.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to, you know, it was starting to
Speaker 1: draw attention at that point, and they didn't want other, um,
Speaker 1: you know, people who set lines, I forget what they're called,
Speaker 1: like gambling. I'm not a gambler, but the people, you know,
Speaker 1: the professionals who set lines and stuff, We're starting to notice.
Speaker 1: And so the mob stepped in and started to manage
Speaker 1: this in a way that would not allow the golden
Speaker 1: goose to to you know, how to handle this criminal activity. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw some specifics on numbers. It was like two
Speaker 1: thousand a game going to the ref so like I
Speaker 1: don't know what the whole number was, but like my
Speaker 1: members like, hey, if if you sway it this way
Speaker 1: or if this team wins, you're getting two K. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you're going to do that, but if
Speaker 1: they win, just we'll give you two k. And he
Speaker 1: he ended up going to jail for believe, go to
Speaker 1: jail around a year. I think it was months. I think,
Speaker 1: well he is white, yeah, like, oh yeah, he got that.
Speaker 1: He got that college a missing scandal sentence. That's right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: fifteen months fifteen months. Yeah, I mean that's that's a
Speaker 1: if someone goes to jail as as as a result
Speaker 1: of something that happened on a basketball court, that's a scandal, baby,
Speaker 1: that's I mean. It's the other thing is it's how
Speaker 1: is like what is he doing? Now? He wrote a book? Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: but did he just have like a like a suitcases
Speaker 1: of cash like buried in various locations. It's hires him.
Speaker 1: I think he paid a massive fine. I would imagine
Speaker 1: in the millions that I hope the mob helped him with.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like there's a chance maybe he's on like
Speaker 1: the middle school circuit and this brings up and I
Speaker 1: didn't pick him because it was too much. But Patino,
Speaker 1: and this might be a little bit talking about the
Speaker 1: upsides of being white. You could commit so many crimes
Speaker 1: or do so much wrong things, but you will end
Speaker 1: up somewhere, you know. It's like you will go somewhere. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: it's like you can. I'm like scared to ever lose
Speaker 1: any job that I have, but like to be a
Speaker 1: ref What else are you qualified for if you get
Speaker 1: fired from that particular job. Yeah, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: mean if we get if we ever, if we ever
Speaker 1: blow up our career, CJ will be like in nursing
Speaker 1: or something like that's literally what I do, or like
Speaker 1: work on a cruise ship. But that's probably mine is
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a realtor. Yeah, and my brother
Speaker 1: is a realtor and he really does not like when
Speaker 1: I say that. That's my backup play, So I just
Speaker 1: say someday I might be a realtor instead. Okay, am
Speaker 1: I can I go? Okay? So my number three pick
Speaker 1: is the Tour de France. Just at law. It's because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'll just do I'll just do
Speaker 1: Floyd Landis, and then when you get into the Tour
Speaker 1: de France, it's like a lot of you got some issues.
Speaker 1: So Floyd land Is kind of kicked off the modern
Speaker 1: era of Tour de France scandal. He won the Tour
Speaker 1: de France and I am you wouldn't say match, like
Speaker 1: what the race? Thank you tournament. He won the race
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six, and unfortunately for him, he
Speaker 1: was behind so much and had this really like historic
Speaker 1: come from behind. When that it raised suspicions, his urine
Speaker 1: ended up being tested and had three times the allowed
Speaker 1: limit of performance enhancing DRUPE. Yeah, so um. He denied
Speaker 1: it for a while and they were like okay, look, Floyd,
Speaker 1: we have your piss and he was like okay um.
Speaker 1: And then through that he became a government informant and
Speaker 1: then basically was the one who implicated and and did
Speaker 1: a whistleblower lawsuit against Lance Armstrong, who then also denied
Speaker 1: it for a very long time and then eventually was like, yes,
Speaker 1: I was doping during all six of my Toward of
Speaker 1: France wins. So um, yeah, you just like this is
Speaker 1: a great one. Cycling is one of those sports where
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know anything about it unfortunately, but like,
Speaker 1: so it started with Lance Armstrong and lived strong and
Speaker 1: like I don't I never liked him because this is
Speaker 1: so weird. My brother's college girlfriend, her Husin was his
Speaker 1: first wife. Those are my favorite Megan Gaily sentences, Holy cow.
Speaker 1: So they and they, So this was when he was
Speaker 1: like beloved. Their family was like, we don't like him,
Speaker 1: and it was over like they stole twins names or something.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even like, it wasn't even like doing. It
Speaker 1: was we we wanted Kelsey and Caden to be the names,
Speaker 1: and Lance took it. Okay. So then he leaves his
Speaker 1: first wife and was with sher Is with Cheryl Crowe,
Speaker 1: and I think that's when that's when you lose some
Speaker 1: amount of like that's not a great move. Dog. Um,
Speaker 1: she was with you and like we all know that
Speaker 1: you had cancer very intensely. And then this doping scandal
Speaker 1: comes out and like Lance Armstrong has had one of
Speaker 1: the most intense fall from grace is not sports like anything.
Speaker 1: This man was of those bracelets and now and now
Speaker 1: he has a documentary about how funked up his life
Speaker 1: got she sucked up. I haven't watched it, but I
Speaker 1: hadn't watched it, but the clips look fun. And you
Speaker 1: know that clip where he's very very angry he's talking
Speaker 1: about Floyd Landis and Floyd lands Is like I don't
Speaker 1: hate him, and it's like, well, yeah, of course you
Speaker 1: don't hate him. It's funny. I was. I was talking
Speaker 1: to my girlfriend recently about the Live Strong bracelets and
Speaker 1: just like what a how everywhere they were it was,
Speaker 1: I mean, everyone had that. You were not cool if
Speaker 1: you did not have one. It was the perfect combination
Speaker 1: of something that was kind of trendy but also was
Speaker 1: like so performatively like virtue signaling, like you don't care
Speaker 1: about cancer. I'm I'm fighting cancer. That's right, look at
Speaker 1: this my Live Strong bracelet. And it was truly shocking
Speaker 1: when it all came down on him because everyone I
Speaker 1: knew had one of those bracelets. I had one. Did
Speaker 1: those come before or after? What would Jesus do? Bracelets? Maybe? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see like they don't find of j D was before? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like too, and w W j D definitely
Speaker 1: jumped off Livestrong. Yeah, absolutely, I just don't know as
Speaker 1: a person, and maybe because we have some morality in us,
Speaker 1: there's some ethics, but like, how does Lance sit through
Speaker 1: meeting after meeting, pitching what lives straw in the campaign
Speaker 1: and the bracelet where like and just be like I'm
Speaker 1: cool this. Yeah, Like if I ate dinner before you
Speaker 1: made dinner, Megan, I wouldn't be able to hide that
Speaker 1: for more than three secs. I think the reality is
Speaker 1: that when you think about that, it's like the people
Speaker 1: that are being caught using performance enhancing drugs are such
Speaker 1: a small fraction that it's so rampant. You know, we
Speaker 1: hear about like dear blood and these infusions. It's constantly
Speaker 1: operating within the lines of what is allowed and what isn't.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's very easy for them to
Speaker 1: say to themselves, I am doing I'm doing slightly one
Speaker 1: percent something that they just have it written a rule
Speaker 1: that I can't do yet. I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1: I agree. I think I think it's some kind of
Speaker 1: everyone's doing it kind of feeling. So therefore, you know,
Speaker 1: this is just this is the rules of the road.
Speaker 1: And I you know, once he had become a real
Speaker 1: sensation because like, who the funk cares about Tutor France, Like, really,
Speaker 1: does anybody care about cycling? It was it was Lance
Speaker 1: Armstrong was cycling as far as anybody knew. And like
Speaker 1: the the incredible narrative around his comeback and beating cancer
Speaker 1: and that like that, that incredible like run he had
Speaker 1: up the hill where he looked back at his like
Speaker 1: rival and like stare it at him as he cycled
Speaker 1: past him, you know, after he had beaten cancer and
Speaker 1: now he's beating all his rivals and everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is amazing. I just think at that point, the
Speaker 1: incentive to stick with the lie was just so strong.
Speaker 1: He just could not give it up. And it took
Speaker 1: it took years really for people to come around to
Speaker 1: the to the realization that, oh, yeah, Lance Armstrong is bad.
Speaker 1: Even when there was evidence. I mean that, like people
Speaker 1: would just be like, no, I didn't I did not
Speaker 1: do that because I think in their heart they believe
Speaker 1: they didn't really do something wrong. Um so yeah, toward France,
Speaker 1: Freedom Fries. Remember that that feels like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: freedom Fries. That feels like the same time frames. Um
Speaker 1: I lived strong c J alright, um okay, my pick,
Speaker 1: it's it's obviously it's not like grand like those ones,
Speaker 1: but it's obscure and I remember just being fascinated by it.
Speaker 1: It's half of a movie pitch, but it's I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know this about this story, Jason, but
Speaker 1: Jonathan Nicola two thousand sixteen. He was a twenty nine
Speaker 1: year old Sudanese player who pretended to be seventeen and
Speaker 1: played basketball in Canada for Central Catholic High School. And
Speaker 1: here's the thing, so like I don't know what side
Speaker 1: I'm on, but like he escaped war torn Sudan, went
Speaker 1: to Canada, got Indian visa within months, like two months,
Speaker 1: started playing for the high school basketball team, pretending to
Speaker 1: be seventeen. Players were They're already looking at him too
Speaker 1: as an NBA prospect. He got caught by he applied
Speaker 1: for a US visa. So he was like, I'm going
Speaker 1: all the way. I'm going to America and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pretend to continue to be a high school phenomen and
Speaker 1: got caught and I just am so fast. It wasn't
Speaker 1: a long con but I'm like almost you know, here's
Speaker 1: the thing. I was looking at the stats, only dropping
Speaker 1: like ten points, twelve points here and there. So chol
Speaker 1: in high school. Well boy, and so I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: never been kissed, but basketball, I'm well age scandal. I mean,
Speaker 1: this happened in the Little League World Series multiple times.
Speaker 1: This one was famous one. His name is Danny Almonte. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately for him, like that that ruined is prospects.
Speaker 1: Like he was good. He was good, whether he was
Speaker 1: a Little leaguer or I think he was three years
Speaker 1: older than they said he was, which this then happened.
Speaker 1: I think this happened when the Chicago team one. They
Speaker 1: didn't live in the neighborhood, and it's like these are children,
Speaker 1: like he was how old? You're holding children more accountable
Speaker 1: than you hold adults for things. I think he was
Speaker 1: seventeen and he was pretending to be fourteen. I'm eight,
Speaker 1: and you know, like what, Daniel Monte, how old? Billy
Speaker 1: was just forty five? Billie Eilish just forty five years old,
Speaker 1: But because she's not playing in the Little League World Series,
Speaker 1: we just pretend that, yeah, she's eighteen. Man, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Oh, I was just gonna say, sure, Billy.
Speaker 1: I it feels like maybe it's this like post dystopian,
Speaker 1: weird apocalyptic world we're living in. But it's just feels
Speaker 1: like what a what a um? How many riches? How
Speaker 1: what the sports riches that we had where we were
Speaker 1: able to argue about Little League Baseball, Like I remember
Speaker 1: watching those Daniel Monte games and being like, this kid
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I've never on This is incredible, this is pure.
Speaker 1: This is the purity of sport. Look at how happy
Speaker 1: these kids are. They don't care about the money, they
Speaker 1: don't care about the fame. They're just out here playing
Speaker 1: the game. This is incredible. I'm watching this on ESPN
Speaker 1: two and I am riveted. It feels what a different
Speaker 1: time that was different. I'm looking at a picture right
Speaker 1: now of Jonathan Nicola in a in a New York
Speaker 1: Times story titled he said he was seventeen but maybe
Speaker 1: closer to thirty, And this dude looks thirty. Yes, that's
Speaker 1: what I'm like. It is everyone else's fault. It just looks.
Speaker 1: He showed up and he saw the look on everyone's
Speaker 1: faces and they were like, they're not blinking an eye.
Speaker 1: They're gonna let me suit up. They're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: be in the locker room. I'm gonna be making in
Speaker 1: the locker room. They're gonna think I'm still seventeen. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna dunk on these kids for a few months. And
Speaker 1: now it's not xenophobia, but there is something of like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, they're from a different country. We don't
Speaker 1: know what age they are, like, show us your birth certificate.
Speaker 1: But there is something where it's like, Okay, something is
Speaker 1: off that we are just accepting this because if that
Speaker 1: was a white man in Canada who was like, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm seventeen, they'd be like, you are thirty years old.
Speaker 1: But I think part of it because they're like, I
Speaker 1: don't always from a different land, you know. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: what thirty year old that's the seventeen year olds in
Speaker 1: Sudan look like. I think there's something to that. At
Speaker 1: the same time, so the picture at the top of
Speaker 1: this article is is Jonathan guarding a younger man who's
Speaker 1: wearing a jersey number nine, who has you know, his pimples.
Speaker 1: He's a teenager, clearly, and Jonathan has a a receding
Speaker 1: hairline and it is so obviously older than everyone is
Speaker 1: wild stuff. He has a family cheering forum. I think
Speaker 1: that's what they were nervous about. They were nervous. But
Speaker 1: I mean, which, yes, you should be. You should check
Speaker 1: like after finding out that stuff. But like that's on you.
Speaker 1: Let him finish the season, Like let him dunk on
Speaker 1: your children. That's your fault. After seeing a picture of him,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you even talk about as
Speaker 1: a twenty nine year old in high school with the skillers.
Speaker 1: It's kind of fun too because it feels sort of
Speaker 1: like a victim less crime, Like obviously he is someone
Speaker 1: you know his he wasn't a prospect with the Little
Speaker 1: League World Series. That feels less victim less crime because
Speaker 1: he was a child. But this is just a grown
Speaker 1: man pretending. And you're like, yeah, those teams you be
Speaker 1: do Canadian high school basketball teams? We need to pass
Speaker 1: the hat for them. Like I don't think so, Jason,
Speaker 1: what do you got for number two? I'm going to
Speaker 1: go with Donald stir Ling his entire career but in
Speaker 1: the main his but in the main his fall from
Speaker 1: grace after his racist outbursts, his racist tirades that were
Speaker 1: caught on tape in two thousand fourteen, and then his
Speaker 1: later being banned for the league. In the words of
Speaker 1: Adam silverf Um, this was a long time coming. It
Speaker 1: was no secret what a piece of ship Donald Stirring was.
Speaker 1: He had been sued in federal court for he made
Speaker 1: most of his money as a landlord, and he had
Speaker 1: had been found guilty of of keeping non white people
Speaker 1: from renting his apartments. So kind of like from dad,
Speaker 1: an absolute piece of ship, guy um that the endi,
Speaker 1: you know, let be within its framework. And it's a
Speaker 1: collegial brotherhood of owners. For many years until he was
Speaker 1: caught on tape saying numerous racist things. I think one
Speaker 1: of my favorite things that came out of all of
Speaker 1: this is the famed deposition that he did from two three,
Speaker 1: in which he was asked about I forget exactly what
Speaker 1: the entire question was, but here is Donald Sterling's answer
Speaker 1: to a question, Well, I fool around sometimes I do.
Speaker 1: This is from the court documents. Well I fool around
Speaker 1: sometimes I do. When a girl seduces me and tells
Speaker 1: me all these hot stories and dirty things, and tells
Speaker 1: me how much she wants to suck on me, and
Speaker 1: takes my shoes off and licks my feet and touches me.
Speaker 1: I'm in a limousine. She takes all her clothes. The
Speaker 1: limo driver said, what is going on? And she started
Speaker 1: sucking me on the way to Mr Coon's house and
Speaker 1: I thank her, I thank her for making me feel good.
Speaker 1: The lawyer says, question, sir, the question was is this
Speaker 1: your handwriting? Oh my god? I mean also like that
Speaker 1: is the best. It sounds like an uncle joke made.
Speaker 1: It really does. It's so And then also to refer yeah,
Speaker 1: she sucked me, like what what were you getting this language? Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: so when you have these rich, rich men that are
Speaker 1: like disgusting and evil and you see them with because
Speaker 1: it was his girlfriend who eventually outed him, when you
Speaker 1: see them, it's like, yes, we are we know that
Speaker 1: they have sex, but we don't have to think about it.
Speaker 1: And we but like when then with the stormy Daniels
Speaker 1: and that, like when we have to hear the details
Speaker 1: of how these disgusting weird I mean even this what's
Speaker 1: happening in the Epstein Dot they say he had an
Speaker 1: egg shaped penis. It's like, some of these are so great.
Speaker 1: And to have to hear him say suck me off
Speaker 1: is it's it's it's actually it's a horror film. It's
Speaker 1: a word, I will say, one of the small one
Speaker 1: of the very small, all absolutely miniature bits of happiness
Speaker 1: to be found in the Epstein documentary on Netflix, which
Speaker 1: I watched fervently, is that moment when the lawyer is
Speaker 1: asking him about the abnormal shape of his penis to
Speaker 1: his face. I mean, that's that's as close as that
Speaker 1: came to a come up, And that's really as close
Speaker 1: as as anyone got to any kind of justice. Was
Speaker 1: being like, so, your penis shape weird. It's like all
Speaker 1: the girth is down at the base. Is that t Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean no, that's yeah, that is um uh yeah
Speaker 1: yeah again. Um is searching. She's looking into the sky
Speaker 1: right now and just yeah, I'm sorry again, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Sorry. It's so it's so Epstein, not funny,
Speaker 1: not funny. The limo driver going what's happening? No? And
Speaker 1: and that was like Silver's like the way he handled
Speaker 1: that too has sort of made Silver such a hero
Speaker 1: and like icon for being a commissioner in sports just
Speaker 1: because you know NFL, Like obviously fucking Goodell is a
Speaker 1: ship head, but like Silver handled that, and that it
Speaker 1: was also that's like the silver lining of that, Like
Speaker 1: we saw who Adam Silver was and and has since
Speaker 1: you know, done a bunch of stuff and the way
Speaker 1: he's handling you know, the coronavirus and all that stuff. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: that he's just like an awesome commissioner. It created his
Speaker 1: legacy in a moment. Really, it was immediate, wasn't the
Speaker 1: immediately like his first year that was so quickly after
Speaker 1: him becoming commissioner. Yes, it was basically his first announcement
Speaker 1: of taking the job to the wider public. You know,
Speaker 1: I think you know, NBA nerd sports nerds had been
Speaker 1: aware of him, although maybe not his personality and stuff,
Speaker 1: but that was the first time that that the the
Speaker 1: the sports watching public across the world really gotta look
Speaker 1: at him, and to move with that kind of authority
Speaker 1: was really necessary. And again I think the league. I
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of criticism you can aim
Speaker 1: at the league in terms of them having Sterling as
Speaker 1: part of their brotherhood for so long, knowing what a
Speaker 1: absolute pos he has been and is, and also the
Speaker 1: fact that you know, he was famed for not putting
Speaker 1: any money into his team, like just not not funding
Speaker 1: it at all, not wanting as you know, getting rid
Speaker 1: of uh players who were about to be up for
Speaker 1: a free agency contracts kind of low balling his coaches.
Speaker 1: He was notorious for that in addition to being a
Speaker 1: racist piece of ship human being. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: almost switch. Um, they could do a little, a little
Speaker 1: deeper dive on some more owners across some Greeks, and
Speaker 1: I think, I think across sports. Yeah, it turns out
Speaker 1: that a lot of the people who have, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred two a billion dollars to spend
Speaker 1: on just toys and stuff, how have some bad opinions.
Speaker 1: It's really really in touch with how the real world works.
Speaker 1: My number two is the Mitchell Report. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: it's named after I had to burp. Sorry, it's named
Speaker 1: after U S. Senator George Mitchell, who was given the
Speaker 1: task of investigating Major League Baseball's rampants just catastrophe with
Speaker 1: performance enhancing drugs. And like, if Congress were to get
Speaker 1: involved with something in sports today, I'd be like, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe bring water to Flint. Maybe there's fair stuff
Speaker 1: for you to be doing. But this was at a
Speaker 1: time where it like the issue had gotten so bad
Speaker 1: and the American public was so angry about it. Because
Speaker 1: the people that are vocally angry love baseball. Back in
Speaker 1: those times, and they were it was just this really
Speaker 1: dark cloud and it was making America's pastime look so
Speaker 1: bad that they tasked the U. S. Senator with investigating it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's basically Muller with a baseball
Speaker 1: and and and obviously Muller was an outside not a senator,
Speaker 1: but it's like when you start to get the government involved,
Speaker 1: you've got like a real fucking issue. Um. The report
Speaker 1: ended up labeling eight nine baseball players, many of them massive,
Speaker 1: massive stars. Jason giomb Berry bonds it was a true
Speaker 1: dagger public relations wise for baseball, and I think is
Speaker 1: like that whole era. It has an asteris and a
Speaker 1: lot of that is because what came out in those
Speaker 1: congressional hearings and this report, Yeah, baseball is like uh
Speaker 1: and I didn't know if anyone's gonna bring it up,
Speaker 1: but like the Astros scandal, yeah, so how do we knowing?
Speaker 1: You know? And a lot of those astros are the luckiest,
Speaker 1: They are the biggest benefactor of COVID happening. Are the
Speaker 1: anger at them has softened because there's anger and fear
Speaker 1: directed at actual things. I hope someone is using this
Speaker 1: time though, too. Maybe when we come back that, like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's pick up where we started because and I also
Speaker 1: want to know, like, then do we avoid some because
Speaker 1: the players on that Mitchell report broke records. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's the that's the issue with these Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame ballots. And you know they talked about, well, they're
Speaker 1: not going to get in the first time, but like,
Speaker 1: is Barry Bond's going to get in? Yeah, eventually he's
Speaker 1: going to get in. And then and is there a
Speaker 1: wing at the Hall of Fame? Like what how do
Speaker 1: you handle the history of it? And and the Astros
Speaker 1: absolutely that change the course of who won a World
Speaker 1: Series And they can deny that that happened, and they
Speaker 1: important to all the studies they want, but they won
Speaker 1: the World Series in a year when they were cheating
Speaker 1: and cheating so badly that one of their own said,
Speaker 1: this is fucked up. Regarding the Astros, I I really
Speaker 1: feel for Clayton Kershaw because that was really his last
Speaker 1: chance to kind of like shake off the tag of
Speaker 1: of being a choker, really a choker for the ages,
Speaker 1: like the greatest by the numbers picture maybe in history,
Speaker 1: who for some reason kept coming up short in the postseason.
Speaker 1: And I think they really, like, irreparably destroyed that dude's career,
Speaker 1: and it's it's honestly just fucking awful. It's so sad,
Speaker 1: and I think the fact that they're gonna kind of
Speaker 1: get away with it is is infuriating. Although Lebron James
Speaker 1: is producing a documentary about that. The Astros with the
Speaker 1: sign seeling Astros, Yeah, I think their owner is bad um. Obviously,
Speaker 1: their front office has been exposed as being bad in
Speaker 1: multiple ways. But baseball also has this like kind of
Speaker 1: air of superiority or moral like we are. But it's
Speaker 1: like you guys fucked up a lot of things in
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways, and and in the midst
Speaker 1: of what's happening right now, dude, you're the only ones
Speaker 1: in a labor dispute like they And I think that
Speaker 1: is in some ways why it's less popular than these
Speaker 1: other sports, because it's like you guys are really playing
Speaker 1: on a lot of borrowed money, like pr wise and
Speaker 1: like we're good. It's you've had too many bad things
Speaker 1: and not handled it correctly to act like you are
Speaker 1: this moral compass for sports. Yeah, I mean the sign
Speaker 1: stealing stuff with the Astros really kind of overshadowed the
Speaker 1: the really despicable like stuff that went on in the
Speaker 1: locker room with regarding their assistant general manager and female journalists,
Speaker 1: like pretty shitty stuff, and they lied about and they
Speaker 1: lied about it. Yeah, absolutely, the bald faced light about it.
Speaker 1: I'm still mad that I got thrown out of a
Speaker 1: Dodgor's game for smoking weak. You know, like, come on, baseball,
Speaker 1: you gotta chill, Okay, you you gotta be baseball. You've
Speaker 1: got to be the parent that takes the keys. Flower
Speaker 1: or vape? What was vape? It was vape? And then
Speaker 1: I pet trying to be a good partner. She gave
Speaker 1: it to me. I put in my pocket and he
Speaker 1: said can you pull that out of your pocket? And
Speaker 1: then I pretended to not know what it was as
Speaker 1: a thirty year old man. Whatever I'm mad at that
Speaker 1: is it? Yeah, he goes as a flower. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, a dog, I don't know. It was
Speaker 1: like fireworks, firewireworks, trying to listen to some Katie Perry
Speaker 1: firework with must swerve on and you are really fucking
Speaker 1: it up. But you know what, when you throw someone
Speaker 1: out of a firework show, guess what they can still
Speaker 1: see the fireworks. Yeah, so we had the last laugh
Speaker 1: on that. Okay, cej your number two. My number two
Speaker 1: is just the Patriots. Yeah, in general, just in general.
Speaker 1: Take your I have a wheel here, I'll spin it
Speaker 1: and we'll pick one to talk about. No, but like
Speaker 1: spy gay and deflate gay um and then again like
Speaker 1: the way. And I also kind of just want to
Speaker 1: discuss how we deal with this because they won right
Speaker 1: after a deflate gate and they suspended Brady for four
Speaker 1: weeks and then they just went on to win and
Speaker 1: they're they've gotten away with it, and Brady is now
Speaker 1: in Tampa Bay, and I'm like, so do not only
Speaker 1: are we going to figure out, you know, were these
Speaker 1: championships driven mainly by Brady or mainly by Belichick? But
Speaker 1: are we going to continue to see corruption when we
Speaker 1: see corruption in Tampa Bay, when we see it in
Speaker 1: New England? Left, I'm excited to figure out who the
Speaker 1: biggest of the I think it's Belichick. And I only
Speaker 1: say that because I think he's very, very, very smart,
Speaker 1: and I think what he does is he operates it's
Speaker 1: this p D thing too. He operates within the rule.
Speaker 1: Like it's like, oh, you didn't say I couldn't, like,
Speaker 1: beat someone with a hammer. I didn't know I couldn't
Speaker 1: do that, so I beat them with a hand. And
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, well, no, I guess we have to
Speaker 1: in a world that can't beat someone with a like
Speaker 1: obviously that's a grass exaggeration, but he's constantly doing that.
Speaker 1: What sucks about Brady is that there were I think
Speaker 1: it was one or two people ended up losing their
Speaker 1: jobs over that, and it's like, dog, you're rich, Like
Speaker 1: maybe he's secretly paying for them and helping them out,
Speaker 1: but he threw these equipment managers under the bus when
Speaker 1: it's like that, those are marching orders you gave them.
Speaker 1: I hate to flate Gate so much because it was
Speaker 1: it was a game against the Colts in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and the Colts got their ass kicked so badly that
Speaker 1: the balls didn't matter. The balls could have been fully deflated.
Speaker 1: We just were a bad team that day. C J
Speaker 1: loves when I say we. And so the more people talk,
Speaker 1: the more people talk about deflate Gate, the more I
Speaker 1: have to remember how bad the Colts were. And I
Speaker 1: just I wanted to deflate Gate to go away more
Speaker 1: than Patriots. And it came back even worse in the
Speaker 1: worst year of not even we're in the worst year now,
Speaker 1: but like two sixteen. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah. Let they
Speaker 1: film people and they got in trouble just recently where
Speaker 1: they and I do think probably other teams are more
Speaker 1: willing to tattle on them. They are the winners, you know.
Speaker 1: I'd like to tack on two more Patriots controversies just
Speaker 1: for the record. One is more recent. Uh. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: of course has a line of um cheaty supplements that
Speaker 1: he has been putting into the market, and he's just
Speaker 1: released to quote immunity supplements over this. Here's a quote
Speaker 1: from him. This is, of course, during a global coronavirus
Speaker 1: parademic quote. Over the years, I've learned how important it
Speaker 1: is to be proactive in taking care of my own body,
Speaker 1: he said. And the new immunity blend supplement called protect
Speaker 1: is supposed to heighten your immune system. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 1: con artists stuff. It's like, dude, that's like the life.
Speaker 1: What are you doing. That's weird, You're You're you're already
Speaker 1: rich enough. Just like stop. If you want to take
Speaker 1: weird ship and kiss your kid on the mouth too long,
Speaker 1: that's fine, But you don't need to sell weird pills
Speaker 1: to other people that believe in their bullshit. Boom drop
Speaker 1: the podcast Mike given though it's on it and then
Speaker 1: number two, number two quickly just attack on for the record,
Speaker 1: would be Pat's owner Bob Kraft, you know, getting getting
Speaker 1: it absolutely on the up and up massage at a
Speaker 1: place in Palm Beach County that also happened to be uh,
Speaker 1: trafficking women for prostitutions to wealthy clients. He was just
Speaker 1: getting it was on the up and up massage. He
Speaker 1: just went there for the massage. I think, Oh, you're
Speaker 1: being You're having a little Yeah, absolutely no, I mean
Speaker 1: that is that is like and the NFLO This pisces
Speaker 1: me off too because when you go to the super
Speaker 1: Bowl and the week's leading up to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: all you see is if you see something, say something
Speaker 1: the black dot, like when you land in a super
Speaker 1: Bowl city, it's sex. It's sex trafficking stuff everywhere. That
Speaker 1: is their number one concern. It is the largest weekend
Speaker 1: an issue that sex trafficking and all that that is
Speaker 1: the epicenter and the most famous team owned by this
Speaker 1: man is is a part of it. In such a
Speaker 1: disgusting way, and they did nothing and it's just like
Speaker 1: they did nothing, trash. I think Goodell's doing weird ship too. Well.
Speaker 1: They got the they got the video evidence thrown out
Speaker 1: on the grounds that it was like it violated some
Speaker 1: his civil rights or something like that. It's like they
Speaker 1: have him on video engaging in whatever it is that
Speaker 1: the trcation at this yes, at this place. Um, but
Speaker 1: apparently the videotapes were not. The so called sneak and
Speaker 1: peak warrant violated federal law because it did not require
Speaker 1: a place to minimize the surveillance by only focusing on
Speaker 1: the acts themselves. It was they were too broad, essentially,
Speaker 1: is the argument. And we don't talk about this now.
Speaker 1: The only thing we don't talk about, I know. But
Speaker 1: it was so it was like it was fun when
Speaker 1: it came out, and then it immediately if you knew
Speaker 1: anything about anything, it got like pretty dark. Pretty Yeah.
Speaker 1: It just reminds you and the fact that yeah, nothing
Speaker 1: is going to happen to him, but those women, ye awful, awful.
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break, not because we're
Speaker 1: done being mad about this, will forever be mad, but
Speaker 1: because we have to and we are back with our
Speaker 1: number one picks, Jason. Usually how it works is that
Speaker 1: Megan and I will say ours, and then you will
Speaker 1: be our big finale. Okay, all right, Megan, you want
Speaker 1: me to go first? Okay? Mine is um Tanya Harding,
Speaker 1: Nancy Carrogan. I mean that is just There's been an
Speaker 1: Academy Award level film about it. It was the Limp Fix.
Speaker 1: These famous, famous, famous people. A woman got hit with
Speaker 1: a crowbar. There's the Glulees and the boyfriend. There's just
Speaker 1: all these crazy cast of characters. And it was mainstream media,
Speaker 1: sports media. You could not it was so giant. It
Speaker 1: was such a huge story. It's it's sad, it has
Speaker 1: class implications. It really it was like it was a
Speaker 1: quote unquote sensational story, sadly for Nancy, and it's something
Speaker 1: we think about still constantly. Yeah, that's the Nancy screaming.
Speaker 1: It's just the thing that is burned into my brain.
Speaker 1: This is a great one and one of those stories
Speaker 1: also that I feel like, man, if this had happened today,
Speaker 1: we would not be able to get away from this story.
Speaker 1: We are are hunger for it would be insatiabal. We
Speaker 1: want to know what every update, every second like, what
Speaker 1: is going on now the I need to know everything
Speaker 1: about the Glueyes, it would be a s who did
Speaker 1: the glus vote for? Um? Yeah? We would be so
Speaker 1: like I remember what Nancy was wearing, like everything. It
Speaker 1: just we saw so much of it cover of every
Speaker 1: single magazine. Well and then so I have a question.
Speaker 1: Nancy went on to go she hosted SNL after she
Speaker 1: like it made her What if she had just won
Speaker 1: the gold medal? Would she be a pop culture you know?
Speaker 1: I think she not to the same extent. I do
Speaker 1: think she would have been, because she is a beautiful
Speaker 1: American woman who would have won a gold medal in
Speaker 1: one of those like really prestige you know, like a
Speaker 1: lot of figure skaters are famous. But it would not.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think she would have hosted. And
Speaker 1: I don't mean to ask that, and being like, well
Speaker 1: she got to host SNL. What else can you ask
Speaker 1: for it? Like you want me to hit you with
Speaker 1: a crowbar? So you can? I just like, you know,
Speaker 1: just what what can cause it? Well? And you like
Speaker 1: the whole time I was watching Titania, which is a
Speaker 1: movie I really really liked. I think is so well done.
Speaker 1: I was like there's there's not a world where Nancy
Speaker 1: has thrilled with this film, but that that kind of
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know if that's just what
Speaker 1: happens when it's when Hollywood likes what we got to
Speaker 1: tell the other story, and that's kind of she was
Speaker 1: then sort of the victim of that too. Well. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you brought up the class issue because the documentary
Speaker 1: and then Titania really, uh, something I had not really
Speaker 1: considered in the time since this story happened, and in
Speaker 1: my general awareness of it was just how much, um
Speaker 1: the tenor of the story was colored by those kind
Speaker 1: of class signals and also by the way these women
Speaker 1: were perceived. One Nancy Kerrigan, who's this beautiful, like very
Speaker 1: put together, you know, America's sweetheart parl Yes, like just
Speaker 1: in the aesthetic and the way Tanya is this more
Speaker 1: working class, like muscular, like just the way those visual
Speaker 1: he was in signals colored the way I perceived the case,
Speaker 1: and I think people perceived the case, And I think
Speaker 1: that the documentary and then the following movie really really
Speaker 1: brought that other side to it. And I think there
Speaker 1: was actually that was useful actually to the conversation. It
Speaker 1: is also like interesting, maybe it's sad when there's not
Speaker 1: like a race issue to exploit, it's like we'll still
Speaker 1: find a way. Um. And then because when I I
Speaker 1: mean I was a child obviously, but like I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't look at Tanya Harding and be like that's
Speaker 1: white trash like I did not, because I think as
Speaker 1: the general public, if someone is a figure skater, you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you probably have money like that, just it's just a
Speaker 1: sport that seems expensive and we know that it is,
Speaker 1: like I don't. And they look very like put together
Speaker 1: and and pretty and stuff and the jewels, and so
Speaker 1: you just think like, oh, yeah, they're all they're all
Speaker 1: on the same socio economic playing field. And we didn't
Speaker 1: really know that until you got Tanya's side of it
Speaker 1: of bullying and the feeling less then and the mom
Speaker 1: and the birds. Great performances, amazing performances. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: my that's my number one, all right, my number one.
Speaker 1: So it was originally Tim Donnie, um, but of course
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be brought up, but I
Speaker 1: just looked up this one had to call in audible,
Speaker 1: but Rosie Ruise the Boston which is like, I don't
Speaker 1: know much about it, so maybe if you guys do anything,
Speaker 1: feel free to chime in. But she took the subway.
Speaker 1: I love it personally, Like it's like like there sitcom
Speaker 1: episodes inspired by this, so I'm like, tell me more,
Speaker 1: and what are there no movies made directly about this?
Speaker 1: I am first of all, I've always just kind of
Speaker 1: been in awe of Rosie's moxie and chutzpa. I just
Speaker 1: think it's fit, like, yeah, take the so and you're
Speaker 1: in your whole marathon outfit with the sack and the
Speaker 1: whole thing. Just run a couple of blocks, jump onto
Speaker 1: the A train, you know, and go uptown, maybe have
Speaker 1: a have a coffee and get something to drink and
Speaker 1: then like something light and then you know, start running
Speaker 1: a race. I was, I honestly like, find this so
Speaker 1: over the top that I kind of respected. Yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: I did. It's like you did a Nathan for You
Speaker 1: episode before, like thirty years before. That's awesome. The thing
Speaker 1: that's like I don't want to run a marathon, so
Speaker 1: we relate to this. It's like, yeah, I've done the
Speaker 1: anti Rosie where once I they had shut down my
Speaker 1: street in the street I had to cross in Chicago
Speaker 1: to get to a weight watchers meeting for the Chicago Marathon,
Speaker 1: and so I could not go around. There was nothing
Speaker 1: I could do. So in jeans with a purse, I
Speaker 1: ran two blocks of the Chicago Marathon so I could
Speaker 1: cross the street to go to my weight watchers meeting.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. I would add that there's a famous picture
Speaker 1: of Rosie that is like iconic, So it's her. She's
Speaker 1: I believe she's crossed the finish line at this time
Speaker 1: and has done so in record time. This is the
Speaker 1: nineteen and she's being carried by these two Boston p
Speaker 1: D cops because she is so she is just giving
Speaker 1: it all. She loves it all out there and she
Speaker 1: is just being like they're just like neds. We need to,
Speaker 1: we need to, she needs she needs water, can we
Speaker 1: get we can need some help? Can we get a stretcher?
Speaker 1: And she's just being carried. I absolutely fucking love it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And this is this is like people always talking about, man,
Speaker 1: what if there was social media back then? It's like, yes,
Speaker 1: I want the memes for those three weeks for Rose,
Speaker 1: Like what are the Rosie means? Like the private plane
Speaker 1: that's what we need to start running back. You know,
Speaker 1: yeah she did the challenge. It's just I'm sorry anyways.
Speaker 1: And also was she a front runner? Like, don't know,
Speaker 1: pun Into aren't marathoners. It's like, you know who's gonna
Speaker 1: win the marathon because it's like best job. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been training with my friend. That's not how it works,
Speaker 1: Like these are the six gals who can win. She's great,
Speaker 1: Rosie Rose is a great name to autely just just
Speaker 1: so she's a performer and everything is fine, like I
Speaker 1: did it as an as an exhibit and Kaufman, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's great. I love her all right, and I had
Speaker 1: I went with as my number one pick. The League
Speaker 1: of Denial, the long running effort by the NFL too
Speaker 1: minimize and then cover up the effects of Wow, the
Speaker 1: effects of concussions, the um the amount of concussions occurring
Speaker 1: in their in their game, and then the long term
Speaker 1: health risks associated with those uh, with those concussions really
Speaker 1: a not to it's really bad. It's it's a it's
Speaker 1: a story that I think forced a lot of people
Speaker 1: who who love sports and love the NFL to kind
Speaker 1: of re evaluate, um, their moral stance in watching games.
Speaker 1: And I think that's something that's still ongoing to you know,
Speaker 1: you know, as we've learned more and more about these things.
Speaker 1: And this is and it was really a long running thing.
Speaker 1: And this is since like the nineties to the odds,
Speaker 1: this effort to UM at once say, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: drugs and knee injuries, those are the more those are
Speaker 1: the more serious things that leaves looking at too. Oh, concussions,
Speaker 1: they don't really happen that much too um. No one
Speaker 1: really knows what the long term effects of those things
Speaker 1: are to you know, the various tragedies that happened, and
Speaker 1: and some of the kind of like really shocking, um
Speaker 1: multiple concussion plays that we've seen, like Troy Aikman staggering
Speaker 1: around the field, Steve Young staggering around the field, and
Speaker 1: these players that would then go out and play UM
Speaker 1: and then seeing the older players now yeah, and the
Speaker 1: things that have occurred that it's just like there's a
Speaker 1: pattern here. People like, yeah, and that's what I'm afraid of.
Speaker 1: And we we've talked about it several times here. It's
Speaker 1: like the returning of these leagues the NFL has not
Speaker 1: surprised me. And how they act like we're starting on time.
Speaker 1: We're like and it's just like the one of the business.
Speaker 1: It's like full steam ahead. Yeah, And the effort has
Speaker 1: been going on since the nineties and not much has changed.
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, you know what, We're going to add
Speaker 1: more pads to the helmets. It's like, no, guys, every
Speaker 1: contact is a car accident. We need to fix this
Speaker 1: somehow or stop until we do. If you think of
Speaker 1: like the NFL as a bell curve, I think we
Speaker 1: are on the back end their popularity. They're still the
Speaker 1: most popular and richesns but I think we are we
Speaker 1: are descending on that and when they come to whatever
Speaker 1: and or whatever form they are in twenty years, this
Speaker 1: will be what is looked back on as the dagger.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can talk about all the other Obviously,
Speaker 1: the domestic violence we did not bring up, and that's
Speaker 1: really I mean like the but a lot of the
Speaker 1: domestic violence is unfortunately tied to some of this. Like
Speaker 1: I don't want to give them a repass, but those
Speaker 1: are of course those are related. Yeah, yeah, of course not.
Speaker 1: We can that's a it's a great point, um. You know.
Speaker 1: Ct E and these brain injuries are tied to a
Speaker 1: lack of impulse control, a lack of ability to control rage.
Speaker 1: And while yes, absolutely cannot give anyone a free pass
Speaker 1: and anything like that, these are these are these are inconnected,
Speaker 1: interconnected forces that continue to affect the league. And I
Speaker 1: think you're right. I think we'll see, you know, as
Speaker 1: we go forward. What's probably likely to happen is we'll
Speaker 1: see people as people pull their key. It's at of
Speaker 1: like Pop Warner, etcetera. I think we'll I think we'll see,
Speaker 1: you know, more and more players coming from the socioeconomic
Speaker 1: margins who this is their way out, and they'll they'll
Speaker 1: make you know, they'll make that kind of deal with
Speaker 1: themselves that well, you know, if I get if I
Speaker 1: get C T E and make two or three million dollars,
Speaker 1: it's worth a short career, it's worth it. Yeah. But unfortunately,
Speaker 1: at least they will have the information to make that
Speaker 1: decision as opposed to going into it. Yeah, it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be the NFL who makes billions of dollars go well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're giving the money. That's all we can do. You know,
Speaker 1: it's an unstoppable thing. No, let's continue the efforts, guys,
Speaker 1: Let's pour more money into those efforts. Let's I never
Speaker 1: saw a concussion. Sorry Will Smith. Um, dear friends, if
Speaker 1: you're listening. And the reason I didn't was because I
Speaker 1: always felt like, well, there's no way the NFL would
Speaker 1: let a film come out that's honest about it. But
Speaker 1: I do think in twenty years, ten years, we will
Speaker 1: get a very honest and very grim sad almost like
Speaker 1: John Grisham es Aaron Brock, a bit like Dark Waters CT.
Speaker 1: I agree that will be so sad and heart but
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you see some of these retired players
Speaker 1: walk and it's bad. Oh my gosh, it's bad. They're
Speaker 1: guys that are in great health too. You look at
Speaker 1: their hands up close. It's it's something that fully fully
Speaker 1: mangles your body. And c J is like full steam
Speaker 1: ahead once all of our children, like when they're like
Speaker 1: a day old, He's like, get them out there doing drills.
Speaker 1: Get them. I played for nine years and I am
Speaker 1: definitely affected. I in a weird way. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think it helped me because then I got into the art. Now, listen,
Speaker 1: you're not as an excuse in a in a relationship
Speaker 1: is great, that's terrible, don't That's not an actual belief.
Speaker 1: But my brother played a lot of high school football
Speaker 1: when of my in Dela Bowl memories is him getting
Speaker 1: his bell rung in a game and then he wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to play, and then they put them back in
Speaker 1: and my mom like charging down to the sidelines and
Speaker 1: screaming at the coach like why is he back in
Speaker 1: the game? Good for your mom? Yeah, yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: Well that is a great ongoing scandal that I don't
Speaker 1: know when it's gonna stop. But um, Jason, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. I mean really, I just
Speaker 1: love chatting. And yeah, we took a trip so here.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the darkest path, but it was like a
Speaker 1: kind of dark path. But I still think that we
Speaker 1: had some fun while we were. I agree, we walked
Speaker 1: through the shadow and we came back into the light. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll have you back on. We'll talk about like greatest
Speaker 1: Sports VHS Blooper or something like that. To talk to
Speaker 1: you two of my favorite people, and and and honestly
Speaker 1: an inspiration. Your relationship is is just a model for
Speaker 1: so many people. And I like and to be I'm
Speaker 1: being sincere now, but to be even more th here,
Speaker 1: it's one of the coolest things about of coming here
Speaker 1: and being part of like the community of people that
Speaker 1: I've met, you know, the circle of friends that I
Speaker 1: have here and acquaintances. It's just like how great everybody is.
Speaker 1: There's like, you guys are just great. You guys are
Speaker 1: part of it. He was a wonderful we um. That
Speaker 1: is so sweet. We did the podcast with Nitz bluth
Speaker 1: Stein and she very much like echoed the same thing.
Speaker 1: She was like, the comedy community and the basketball community
Speaker 1: have made this large, fun, cool, really kind community that
Speaker 1: it's like, bafflet It's crazy to me. And I asked, like,
Speaker 1: if you were to tell eight year old me, like
Speaker 1: when you grow up professionally and recreationally, it'll be comedians
Speaker 1: and people in basketball, I'm like, you're you're kidding what, No,
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. So it is something that I like,
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for every every day. But we're all
Speaker 1: the smartest and the coolest and the hottest, and we
Speaker 1: did find so it's kind of just like, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you put us in high school, we're going to be friends. Yeah, Jason,
Speaker 1: what can we plug for you? NBA desktop is ongoing
Speaker 1: all the way out here. Well, NBA desktops on going
Speaker 1: and then listen to Binge Mode, which I co host
Speaker 1: with Malley Rubin, and read whatever stuff we've got coming
Speaker 1: out on the Ringer dot com. Awesome, all right, thank
Speaker 1: you so much. We're gonna start Survivor. I really feel it.
Speaker 1: Let me know how it's going. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: know how it's going. We just got a new giant couch,
Speaker 1: and I think that's how we break it in, maybe
Speaker 1: laying on it and watching people starve. All right, and
Speaker 1: don't forget to rate and review. I've been c J
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