WEBVTT - Greatest Scandals with Jason Concepcion 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.680 Welcome to the Greatest, a production of I Heart Radio. 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:14.040 Welcome to another episode of the Greatest. Yeah, I wanted 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.160 to introduce Yeah, I feel like I was just like 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.560 ramping us up from the beginning, and yeah, I think 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:20.720 it's good that you brought. So. I'm Megan Gaily and 0:00:20.920 --> 0:00:25.160 that voice you hear from a handsome man is um 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:28.680 my co host and husband, c J tolading Doong as 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.600 some people call him. I call him Tolodonno, but you 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:35.520 call me Toldonno in the household. Yeah, I say, get 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:40.479 over here, Toldonno, let me slap your Peter. Megan's my 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:45.040 Megan's my quarantine. Bully. I do not bully you, And 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.280 that would make some of our reviewers who say, does 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:49.680 he does she even love him? Bitch? Can you view 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:54.320 a podcast? Okay? The laughing you here in the background 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.160 is our wonderful guest we've been trying to get on 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.240 for so many episodes. Finally have them. The Ringer Senior 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:04.080 creative Jason Concepts. Jason, how are you doing. It's wonderful 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.880 to be back with you. C J. Reforming the Filipino 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.240 Los Angeles Mafia, I mean Los Angeles Basketball. I also 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.240 want I don't think I've ever on record. Thank you 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:18.560 for laying the tracks for Filipino whose main job is 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.720 to care and uh and and research and talk about basketball. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.080 So thank you just at the top Trailblazers, We've done it. 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:29.399 It's awesome to talk to you. You And also like 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.920 when it comes to sports content, you are kind of 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.560 the peak that like this, this could be this could 0:01:35.560 --> 0:01:37.480 be a ted talk, you know, like we could sit 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:40.200 here silently. We will not, but there is a world 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.800 where we could just ask you how I mean NBA desktop. 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.120 When I have done that, thank you for having me. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.560 People react to that like from who I went to 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.680 college with, bigger than anything I've ever done. You know, 0:01:52.760 --> 0:01:55.480 that's that's the Apex for a lot of men that 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:58.400 I knew in the early two thousand's. Well, I gotta 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:02.720 tell you, it's fantastic up here the Apex. The air is, 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.440 the air is thin, it is it is cold, and 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.600 it is lonely at the at the Apex, absolutely lonely. 0:02:09.639 --> 0:02:12.200 But it's the struggle to get here. It was worth 0:02:12.240 --> 0:02:14.240 it just to hear that from you, Megan, Thank you 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:16.280 so much. House the highlights we were having like a 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.920 meeting and people were presenting their favorite YouTubers because we 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:20.399 were doing like a little show and tell. I don't 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:22.440 want to, you know, pull back the curtain a little 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:26.880 too much back on how the millennial Instagram account operates. 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:29.680 This is that you and you guys consider that work. 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.920 Let me see it. I was going to tell you 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.160 some girl was like, we were just presenting our favorite 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.720 YouTube creators and shows, and someone presented yours and the 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:42.560 whole time I was just trying to hold back, like bitch, 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:45.679 I know him, that is a friend and I don't 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.200 but I don't call my coworkers bitches or women bitches. 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.600 But yeah that's what you do. Call them girls girl 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.600 all the time. I know it's bad people like a 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:56.680 child was there. I'm like, you know what I mean. 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.920 The Filipinos all keep track of each other. You know, 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:04.600 it's it's it's you myself, Pablo from ESPN and and 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:09.720 uh Andrew Lopez. Yeah, yeah, that is like if there 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.680 was a last supper, that's it, that's it. Well you 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:15.440 could just do it at a booth. It's funny that 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.760 you bring up Andrew Lopez because like for a few 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.800 months in comedy and moving that here in l A, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.119 we didn't know each other, but everyone assumes because well, 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:25.359 and it's like it was weird that we didn't because 0:03:25.400 --> 0:03:28.399 both of us were are from Iowa, and like that's 0:03:28.400 --> 0:03:30.720 how people also talked. Before you and I had met, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.519 people were like, wait, you don't know Jason. He works 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.320 in basketball and he's Filipino. And I'm like, yeah, actually 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:39.680 I'm surprised and mad that I I haven't met him 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.920 yet either, So finally the world is somewhat right in 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.440 that way. It's so funny when I met Andrew. I 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:50.640 met Andrew like two weeks before Quarantine in the valley outside, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.840 like at outside some Comedy Central party, and he's like, 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.880 are you Filipino? I was like yes, and then he 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.880 was like, why don't I know? I and I don't know, 0:04:01.600 --> 0:04:04.760 but let's remedy that now. And then Quarantine happened because 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.000 it's not supposed to. I feel adopted by the Filipino 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:20.320 I'm not saying I'm okay. How how are you doing? Jason? Well, uh, well, 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.600 it's you know, it's tough to be I've started my 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.040 mornings with walks now just to feel like I'm I'm 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.720 connected to the earth. It's been tough being inside for 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:33.240 months my girlfriend lives in Washington, d C. So it's 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:37.400 like when we're going to see each other again. Oh no, yeah, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.200 I got sorry. I didn't know you had a girlfriend. 0:04:39.279 --> 0:04:42.880 So I was reacting to I'm excited to hear, and 0:04:42.920 --> 0:04:46.160 then it dawned on me that you are having quarantine 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.800 to wait from each other. So I went, oh, that 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.040 part of it has been absolutely brutal. That we faced 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.600 time a lot and watched Survivors all the time. We're 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.920 bingeing Survivors and uh, and you know, meanwhile, as we're 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:04.320 stuck inside during this global calamity, um, the world is 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:07.919 absolutely falling apart. And meanwhile, as c J. I don't like, 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.520 I don't know. I'm going to assume, because of your 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.240 Filipino heritage that you have many family members and or 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.720 friends and or Filipino acquaintances who work in healthcare as 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:19.320 I do and like, and so I have. You know, 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:21.200 I have many people in my life that work in healthcare, 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:25.440 which is anxiety inducing in this particular time. Uh, it's 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.840 it's it is what it is. How are you How 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.320 are you two doing? We were doing as good as 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.719 can be. We have a home that we like, and 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.720 we like each other and then I really had a 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:41.320 tough like last two weeks, and now I feel myself 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.680 emerging from that luckily. But now I kind of feel 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:47.159 like c J and I have sort of switched places. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:50.200 And then there's part of me that wonders, like, oh, 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:53.280 that that may just actually be a cycle of marriage. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.080 Of like when I was down, c J lifted me up, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.320 and now you know, he's sneezing and down own and 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.560 I gotta lift him up. But it's not sneezing is 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:05.160 not the number one issue. I'm not going to talk 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:09.080 about your depression. Um No, it's you know, things are 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.520 happening with the thing. In the beginning of quarantine. I 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:13.719 don't know if you felt this way, which is so 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.680 funny and sad to look back on. Was I think 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.680 I was subscribing to the motto of like, it can't 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.120 get any worse. At least we know the problem and 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.080 we're just gonna We're gonna stay in, We're gonna wear masks, 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.320 we're gonna do everything. Literally, I didn't. I couldn't even 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.520 imagine it would get this bad. I did not either. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.039 It's wild. I read a article today about monkeys that 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:37.039 like attacked and escaped with and I'm like, I guess 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:39.640 that's just the thing. That's just normal, that's just stuff 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.039 that's happening right now. The world it feels like it's 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.039 falling apart, and you do have each other, though we 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:48.240 have each other, I feel yeah, I mean, we're we're trying. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.760 Everyone is trying our best. And that's like something we 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:54.280 say to each other, to our friends, were like, we're 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.960 trying our family, We're trying our best. And then we're like, yeah, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.000 we can do a podcast, like at the very least 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.479 this podcast and I'm sure you're experiencing it with yours, 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.960 is that you're hearing the voice of somebody else, your friends, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.480 you're it's like a form of check in and then 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.960 maybe you know, in us talking about these almost not 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.440 yeah negative sports stories, we're gonna bond and forget about 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:17.800 what's going on in the world, but also maybe remind 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.280 each other what's It's also like if there was no 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.200 pandemic and none of this other bullshit terrible things happening, 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:29.000 if if sports ceased to exist, that would also have 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.160 a negative mental impact on all three of us, Like 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:35.840 that is something we love and then and now we 0:07:35.920 --> 0:07:39.640 don't have it, and so it's an escape and and 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:44.880 we don't have that escape unfortunately. Yeah, it's been really hard. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.320 I say, I guess I didn't. You know. Obviously I'm 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:50.160 sports crazy like you two are, Um, but it's you 0:07:50.200 --> 0:07:52.600 do You don't really realize like how much you have 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.000 you organize your life around the framework of what sporting 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:59.440 events are happening, and that's just when that, among other things, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:04.040 is gone, and it's just like you just feel absolutely rudderless. Um. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.880 Speaking of creating a podcast in order so you can 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:11.600 talk to your friends, I have lost the ability sometimes 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.920 to like speak in person to people. I drove around 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.920 to go visit people, you know, social distance, you know, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.600 very very responsible through the window, you know, six ft away. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:22.360 But just went to go see my friends because I 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:25.000 hadn't seen them in a month and a half, two months, 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:26.640 and I was like, man, I don't know how to 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:30.360 how do I how do I speak in person anymore? What? 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:32.560 What is eye contact? What am I looking at? What 0:08:32.640 --> 0:08:35.600 am I It just feels totally weird to do it. 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.960 We're just like shut ins. Now it's our people's skills. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.680 Like I'm used to talking to c J every day, 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.240 this is who I see in person and he's my husband. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:49.440 So we talk insane and saying, you know our most 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:53.280 personal intimate detail, We know everything. I was on a 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:55.960 work zoom. I have like some new agents that have 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:00.520 been added to the man talk so that there's like 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:02.960 a lot of folks on this zoom. This is a 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.960 professional work call. We got whole Brady bunch of little 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.960 zoom boxes. Lots of people got to listen. I don't 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.640 need one agent, I need ten, okay, because I need 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:15.560 a lot of people working on stuff for me. I 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.520 told them that I that my Lexapro was back quartered, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:21.599 and then I was thinking about getting my I u 0:09:21.679 --> 0:09:23.679 D taken out and then I signed off, and it's 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:28.079 like what am I talking about? That's so it would 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.760 be funny if your agent did hit me up and 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:33.160 be like what is the what what can you offer 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.360 to get her I U D out? Like if that 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:38.560 was the transit, Like now they're like, listen, Hollywood's dead, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.439 but maybe we can figure out how to get a 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:42.240 one season of a baby, you know what I mean. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:46.320 So I just was like I texted my managers after 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.080 because they were on the call, and I was like, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.120 for the record, my skills are just not sharp and 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.920 said weird things and they were like, no, it's fun. 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:58.240 It's like, I don't know if it's fun. I absolutely 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.319 feel you that that scene is so funny. Megan, we've 0:10:01.360 --> 0:10:04.160 got a new blue Diamond wants you back? I need 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:09.440 That's what That's what I have said to my lawyer before. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.960 I love you, um like, and I said that. I 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.240 told my therapist and she goes, do you love your lawyer? 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.080 And it's like, no, I don't love him, but like 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:22.280 I just say overly familiar things already. And now I 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.160 think Quarantine has like ramped that up for me. And 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.480 this is the beginning of my demise for sure. Oh yeah, 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.600 So with a lot of my guy guy friends, you know, 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.800 it's it's it's in the past, has been you know, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.800 when we've come anywhere close to talking about our feelings. Yeah, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.600 it's good. How you doing good. That's a very good 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:44.640 top up. It's funny. But now it's like everybody is like, 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.240 I miss you, man, I love you, I miss you. 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:50.080 I can't wait to see you again. It's really it's 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.440 it's heartwarming, but it's also so sad. Well and Jason, 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:58.600 that ship started happening when Kobe does. Isn't that crazy, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.360 Like we were talking talking, We're like it was like 0:11:02.400 --> 0:11:05.800 the our d m s were We're getting emotional, and 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.360 like with with my friends, it was like we were 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.240 dealing with our masculinity in that part and then this happened. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.559 So it's just like it's just coming in such in 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.680 a lot of ways, that is that is a silver 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:22.559 lining of his tragic, tragic death that it made people, 0:11:22.960 --> 0:11:25.640 you know, you see iverson how and it's like people 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:28.200 are really feeling and really loving, and I think it 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:30.800 opened us up to even be able to do that 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:35.880 more during this time where we need that. Yeah, I'm 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:41.400 sorry that you guys aren't manly anymore. If anything, I 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:45.280 think I'm sorry you don't have toxic like bleach coursing 0:11:45.320 --> 0:11:48.840 through your veins. But I still punch walls and still 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:50.640 do that every just to keep it real, you know, 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.720 just to keep the vibe going. Yeah. I keep telling 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:57.079 CJ he can punch me, and he's like, no, it 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:01.800 seems like a trick. It games like a trick. Jason. 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:05.000 You're you're the host of Binge mode Um and obviously 0:12:05.080 --> 0:12:07.720 you know with Quarantine, everyone is like I'm I'm going 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.679 back and I'm watching this TV show or these movies. 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.440 What is your programming looking like? Over there? I've been 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.760 watching Community. I'm going through Community because that's a huge 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.880 hole in my sitcom experience. I didn't watch it at 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:23.360 the time. I was more of an office thirty rock 0:12:24.000 --> 0:12:26.840 parts and wrecked person. So I'm watching a community and 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:30.720 realizing one that it's great and too, like how many 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.319 connections to the Marvel movies there are, which makes sense 0:12:34.320 --> 0:12:38.240 because the brothers directed Community and then also directed many 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:40.720 of the Marvel movies. But it's just I'm seeing all 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.640 these things and that's been wonderful. I've been filling the 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:49.360 sports hole with Survivor seasons. Many people I think we 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:53.160 got to get into the Survivors. It's it's coming from 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:56.720 all angles people recommendating. Well, someone told me Dante Colepepper 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.560 was in it and they didn't know who he was 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.240 outside of it, and I was like, what is He's 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.160 on Survivor. There are a number of athletes who have 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:09.360 participated in Survivor. Scott Pollard, oh my god, come up there. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:13.679 All right, Yeah, let's say, do you have like a 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:17.720 how did where did you John Rocker? Where did oh wow? Okay, 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.760 where did you break into survive or not. You didn't 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.080 go back to the beginning. No, I've always kind of 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:26.679 watched it off and on, and but then it's several 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.920 years back. I think when the seat when the Millennials 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.560 Versus gen X season premiered, is when I was like, 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:37.200 I'm back on the train. Before then, you know, after 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:38.640 the first one, I had kind of been in and 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:40.240 out and then I was back on the train. And 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.680 then everybody at the Ringer is pretty much crazy about it. 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.839 So I've just been pouring back over old seasons. I 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.360 would say, if you're looking to get into it, yeah, 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.320 this is what we're looking for. If you're looking to 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:53.760 get into it, well, first of all, the Ring Are 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.320 Not Calm a fantastic website, and I sent from the Ring. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.199 Riley mcotee wrote a great piece about like how you 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:02.120 can get into it. But I would say, you know, 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.360 like Cook Islands, well number the first one is is 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:09.960 kind of it's pretty necessary. Then, uh, Season seven, which 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.480 has a stolen shoes incident that happens, is great. Cook 0:14:14.520 --> 0:14:19.080 Islands is fantastic. Cook Islands just a little setup has 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.280 the tremendously bad idea as the setup of breaking the 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:29.960 contestants into tribes, uh denoted by race, So you've got white, Latino, 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:35.080 Asian and black and tremendously bad idea that they jettisoned 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:39.240 by like the end of the second episode because they're like, oh, whoops, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:40.880 did we do I think we did a race war. 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.320 It's a very happened down season, but like a lot 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.120 of the characters who come back got their start there. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.520 That's a great one. And then once you start progressing, 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:53.160 like Heroes Versus Villains is maybe the best season ever 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:56.520 that season twenty and you know, on and on there's 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:59.360 that that's a great one. It's just a wonderful, a 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:02.600 wonderful show that really like scratches that itch for sports 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.160 while also throwing in a bunch of you know, like 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.640 soap operation kind of trauma. Yeah no, that sounds right, 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:11.960 because everything that like networks have been throwing at us 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:15.120 in place of sports is not working, Like Horse wasn't 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:19.080 working for me. Ultimate Ultimate Tag, Holy Moly, where they're 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.640 like specifically telling my dumbass brain listen, sports has gone. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.600 Let's watch the Watt Brothers host awkwardly host Ultimate Tag. 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.440 And I was like in plane bomber Jackets. Yeah, I mean, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.680 like they the bomber jacket budget on that show is insane. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.960 What's nice about reality TV? I like reality competition shows 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.200 and why I think they translate better, Like for them 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.920 to scrap it on episode two, it's like, yeah, they 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:48.000 can do that, Like there aren't those aren't written rules somewhere. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.400 There's not like the MLB is overseeing it. They do 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.840 the Unlove Island, They're like, oh, yeah, this person is 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.520 crazy and they got kicked off. Guess what they're back 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.640 like there's and holy moly, it's like, well, golfers exist, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.240 so like we know that you've made up rules, but 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.480 like you, I think it's yeah, our brain is some 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:12.480 is somehow willing to go into anarchy more than like, well, 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.960 there's rules that are kind of based on something else 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:17.360 that already exists. The other great thing about Survivor is 0:16:17.400 --> 0:16:21.120 you're watching people starve over the length of the of 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:23.760 the season, which it you know, adds a tremendous amount 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:26.360 of tention because you just are like, is this person 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:30.040 going to die? I'm like, I'm truly concerned that this 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.360 person is starting to death in front of my eyes. Damn. Yeah, 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.840 we need to watch that because also, yeah, I also 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.720 have been eating too. It seems like a good and 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:43.560 every time I do any sort of event watching, I'm like, 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.720 I gotta have a large pizza and it would be 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.640 good if something I'm watching is reflecting. You can skip 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:53.000 a meal, c J. You can need nineteen meals while 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.920 watching this thing. But let's get to the topic. How 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:59.680 let's take a break and come back. And we never 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.360 do us before, but I I've been reading the people 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.080 rating and we're gonna try this. We'll take a quick 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:15.040 break and we're back. Okay. So yeah, we just had 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:17.159 so much fun chatting. I was like, let's take a 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.400 break and then get into the topics. Spell it out. 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.439 Our topic for this episode is greatest sports scandals, and 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.960 we were presenting you to some options. Jason, what drew 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.520 you to this topic? Gosh, what what did draw? Maybe 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:35.160 it's just like the general chaos of the world and 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:39.000 and the and the various controversies that are going on 0:17:39.359 --> 0:17:42.520 as we speak, that that drew me to it. I 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.760 think it's it's also a thing I appreciate about sports. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.800 It's just like that, you know, controversies. Now, I would 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:52.400 like to say as a setup I'm doing, I'm only 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:56.840 I only picked stuff that directly pertains to a sport. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:59.400 I'm not doing anything where it's like an athlete goes off, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.520 does something outside of their career or after they retire, 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.000 and that it becomes a scandal. Great, I did the 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.359 same thing. I did not know I was going to 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:10.480 do that. But then when I started doing my quote 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:14.080 unquote research, I was like, oh, it's pretty dark out here. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.400 It's dark. I was like, I don't want I don't 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.320 want to Also like, I don't consider o J a scandal. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:29.840 I consider it a double homicide. Like so right there, No, 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.280 it's on every list, and you're like, okay, it's like 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.080 Larry Nasser, It's like, yes, for sure. I mean that's 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:40.200 a tragedy. That's a horrific tragedy. That's a lot different 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.920 than like shaving points. You know, mass pedophilia to me 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.320 is a little more than Pete rose Um. And so 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:52.000 I did say, I yeah, I was like, let's keep 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:55.119 it a little lighter. And omissions of that does not 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:59.680 mean we agree with anything. Here are some people that 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:04.120 day was long retired, you know, you was long retired 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.679 at that. These are some scandals that will not be 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.000 on my list. Larry Nassar, Jerry Sandusky, O J. Simpson, 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.800 Aaron Hernandez Ray Rice or Duke Lacrosse. Yes, not none 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.240 of those. I have none of those either. That's not 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:20.720 a sports scandal. That's someone committed crimes, which is funny 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.520 when it's ranked on a like a website, like a 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:30.760 curation website, You're like, uh, okay, but Jason, kick us 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:32.639 off here, what do you got for your number three? 0:19:32.680 --> 0:19:37.000 Pick number three? I'm gonna go with the Tim Donnighy 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:42.520 betting scandal in the NBA. Tim Donnaghy a long time 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.720 NBA rest thirteen seasons he was. It was a pro 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:53.880 ref from seven officiated some almost eight hundred games, and 0:19:54.840 --> 0:19:58.399 it would come out in the mid off seven that 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.679 this guy had been Now the official stories that he 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.840 had been giving information to gamblers that then helped the 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.600 gamblers place their bets. Um and this is the this 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:15.200 is the story that the NBA ran with, and YadA, YadA, YadA. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:20.400 That said, there is a lot of evidence from reporting 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:25.160 on my ESPN by Harral Bob Vulgaris who now works 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:29.359 for the MAVs, who was a long time professional gambler, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:34.640 and others that shows that Donny he did more than 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.560 just give information like he'd likely gambled himself and and 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:42.679 affected the point spread of games in the ways that 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.760 he made calls and of course and to David stern 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:53.679 Um pretty quickly like shovel dirt over this crisis in 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:55.639 a way that made it go away as as quickly 0:20:55.680 --> 0:20:58.680 as possible. But there's a lot of evidence that it 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.120 went further than what is officially recognized, So I would 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:04.199 put that there. This strikes at the very heart of 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:13.800 like fair contests, right, No, it definitely affected game outcomes. 0:21:14.280 --> 0:21:17.480 We did a rewatch of the Malice at the Palace recently, 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:19.600 and he was a wth at that game. It was 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:23.480 like so jarring to even see him there because he's 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.320 so infamous now. But yeah, I was working. I was 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:31.080 an intern in a sports newsroom the summer that this happened, 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.879 and it was the lead story every single day. I mean, 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:38.640 it's to to have a wreath who is cheating and 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.639 gambling that? I mean, that's like, what is the what 0:21:41.800 --> 0:21:47.200 is the role of a wrath too? It's at least 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:50.879 literally doing the opposite for personal gain. Uh yeah, I 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:52.320 mean so this was my number one pick. But this 0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.240 happens on the show a lot. We just overlap, and 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:57.640 I love just I mean, this was just it changes 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.760 the timeline and the fact that really like he was 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.920 charged when the what the federal investigation he was being 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.399 investigated for, not even that particular series, it was just 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:11.399 for his other involvements. And then I don't did you 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:13.399 ever read or did you ever get your hands on 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:20.359 his book, which The Whistle? I did it, I have 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.120 not read it. If I have not read it, it's 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.280 just like, well I think it was renamed a personal foul, 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.639 which I also I wish if there was a sports 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:32.440 talk show just like rejected titles for Tim Donnie's book, 0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:36.399 but personal Blow and the Whistle or whatever. But uh yeah, 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.199 it's like, it's so insane to me what could have 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.360 happened had the King's won the two thousand two series 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.720