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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease, a young mom seemingly devastated

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Speaker 1: That would be so heartbreaking and touching if I didn't

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Speaker 1: know she's charged with his murder. Yes, I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: Corey Richins again now, believe it or not, after authorities

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Speaker 1: allege that she poisons her husband dead, the father of

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Speaker 2: Ouch.

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Speaker 1: That's terrible when the cops ransack yourself and they find

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Speaker 1: you tampering with witnesses, and I hate when that happens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, see, Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: Serious sexem one eleven. I just want you to hear

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Speaker 1: Corey Richardson. I don't get it. She's a sex successful realtor.

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Speaker 1: She flips these mega mansions and makes all kinds of money.

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Speaker 1: She's got a husband who's not cheating, working, supporting the family,

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Speaker 1: to hear it from the horse's mouth. Take a Listen

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Speaker 1: to Corey Richins describing why she wrote a kid's book.

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Speaker 1: Listen to Crime Online. I'm new to all of this.

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Speaker 3: Corey Richins appeared on Good Things Utah, a lifestyle TV program,

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Speaker 3: and father. Richard says what has helped her family are

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Speaker 4: The three seeds, you know, connection, continuity, and care.

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Speaker 3: Richin says, it's important to make sure the spirit of

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Speaker 3: your lost loved one is alive in your home by

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Speaker 3: bringing up memories, talking about the person, and doing things

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, well, her husband, her dad, husband's memory is

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Speaker 1: But what about this script that has been found in

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Speaker 1: Elaine Ardivius is with US senior crime reporter with the messenger.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that the woman has just come forward?

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Speaker 1: I believe she worked for the family, a housekeeper who

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Speaker 1: sold the Moscow Mule Mom Corey Richins, who allegedly sold

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Speaker 5: Yes, they do have texts between Corey and the housekeeper

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Speaker 5: where Corey is requesting sentinel or she's requesting the heavy

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Speaker 1: That housekeeper's future testimony does not jive with the story

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Speaker 1: that this great stricken mom is a grief book to

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Speaker 3: Richings appearing on Good Things You Tam said, it's important

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Speaker 4: He's doing these things with us, and he's you know,

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Speaker 3: Richards says, Now it's just comforting for her children to

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Speaker 4: Dad is still here, it's just in a different way.

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Speaker 4: It's been a lot of peace for my kids, you know,

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Speaker 1: analyst joining us out of la At, doctor Bethany Marshall

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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy sociopaths like her, They do evil things

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Speaker 6: and they try to undo them. They do and they undo.

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Speaker 6: So she kills their father and then she tries to

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Speaker 6: this woman tries to monetize every thing. You know, She's

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I want to pick up what

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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall just said about the money. Elaine o

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Speaker 1: Avias is with US Senior Investigative Crime Report with the Messenger. Elaine,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to jump into the manuscript, as they are

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Speaker 1: euphemistically calling it sees from her jail sale. But there

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Speaker 5: That's right, she repeatedly is acquiring money. In fact, when

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Speaker 5: there is a pattern of her trying to get more money.

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Speaker 1: Deputy District Attorney, lawyer for Crime Victims Legal Clinic. She

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Speaker 1: Donna Kelly, I know that after my fiancee was murdered

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Speaker 7: It's very disturbing, Nancy. It is very disturbing, and she

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Speaker 7: Corey Richards So it all kind of fits together. The

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Doctor William Maroney truly a

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Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner and toxicologist. He is the author of

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Speaker 1: American Narcan and Justin Borman joining me former detective in Utah.

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Speaker 1: And of course that's this jurisdiction where the victim, Richds,

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Speaker 1: young man thirty nine years old, in the prime of his life,

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Speaker 1: died a very terrible death. But I want to get

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Speaker 3: The Walk the Dog Letter is a six page handwritten

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Speaker 3: letter that Corey Richins wrote for her mother. Prosecutors claim

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Speaker 3: the letter instructs her mother and brother to give false

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Speaker 3: In the letter, Richards wrote, quote, this comes down to jealousy, money,

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Speaker 3: The prosecutors have asked the judge to restrict Richards from

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Speaker 1: Okay, Elaine Ativias, tell me everything about the so called

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Speaker 5: The walk the Dog letter, first of all, is named

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Speaker 5: How this accidentally happened. But in a conversation that she

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Speaker 1: School admissions test manual. Now, the damning letter appears to

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Speaker 1: instruct someone to tell Corey Richins's brother, Ronnie to say

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Speaker 3: KYU TV says in the Walk of the Dog letter,

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Speaker 2: But if you don't have the nark can you die

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Speaker 8: So you really need that intervention early.

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Speaker 2: You need all pain and addiction patients in America should

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Speaker 1: Doctor moroney say I had a fentanyl overdose. What have

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Speaker 2: All of the people I know that have come to

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Speaker 1: Well, I got to tell you, doctor Moroney. I saw reportswear.

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Speaker 1: But now, what about a moscow mule? Justin Bormann, just

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Speaker 1: Now Borman's raining and consulting. Justin Boardman, what's a moscow mule?

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Speaker 9: Well, moscow mule is one of my favorite beverages. But

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Speaker 1: Now, ginger beer we all had at Universal in Harry

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Speaker 3: This evidence gathered revealed Corey claim she didn't have access

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Speaker 3: Additional evidence showed Richins was in contact with a drug

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Speaker 1: You know is the cover up is deadly in this

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Speaker 5: Yes, I think you know a lot of times, especially

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Speaker 5: But thus far we know that the phone was in use,

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Speaker 1: Because you've got your phone, you can call nine one

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Speaker 1: he made from letting the windows up and down, to

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Speaker 1: the speed, to the ignition turn, you name it. Technology

437
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Speaker 1: is a very powerful tool and the prosecutor's arsenal Donna Kelly.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely. And the reason that Jerry's loved this kind of

439
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 7: evidence is it's very objective. It doesn't have a bias,

440
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 7: it doesn't have an agenda, it's just there. And so

441
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 7: that evidence is very powerful to a jury. And it

442
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 7: also shows the consciousness of guilt that the person has.

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Speaker 7: For example, in deleting messages, you know immediately that sort

444
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Speaker 7: of thing. So it can show you know, the movement

445
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 7: and the messages that went in and out, but it

446
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 7: can also show consciousness of your own guilt.

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Speaker 1: You're right so to say. Well, then began looking at

448
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: other circumstantial evidence contemporaneous around the time of the death.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 3: After Eric Richind's death, Corey Rigins hired a locksmith to

451
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Speaker 3: open Eric's safe. Between one hundred and twenty five thousand

452
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Speaker 3: and one hundred and sixty five thousand dollars was reportedly inside.

453
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Speaker 3: When Eric Richard's sister told her sister in law she

454
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Speaker 3: didn't have the rights to those funds, Corey Rigins punched her.

455
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 3: Eric Richins had also opened a living trust and placed

456
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Speaker 3: the trust as his life insurance beneficiary instead of We

457
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Speaker 3: now know Corey had purchased at least four life insurance

458
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Speaker 3: policies on Eric Richins, with death benefits of over a

459
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Speaker 3: million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Doctor Bethany Marshall renounced Psycho Allen's joining us out

461
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Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills. I tell you one thing, if my husband,

462
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Speaker 1: David Lynch goes out and takes four life insurance policies

463
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Speaker 1: out on me. Uh uh in oh, We're splitting up

464
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Speaker 1: at that moment, and I'm taking the twins period. He

465
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Speaker 1: can have everything else except those twins for life insurance policies.

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Speaker 6: What you know, Nancy, When I listen to this story,

467
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Speaker 6: I so I think of Corey Richards as suffering what

468
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Speaker 6: I affectionately term the Casey Anthony syndrome. Every lie, every maneuver,

469
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 6: every motive is so flagrantly transparent, and from a mental

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Speaker 6: health perspective, she's probably suffering from what we call cluster

471
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Speaker 6: b cluster B is when you have sociopathy.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying cluster cluster cluster like a cluster bomb?

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Speaker 6: So when you have sociopathy, borderline personality disorder and potentially bipolar, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't even know what you're saying. Blah blah blah blah blah.

475
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: She's gravy, she wants money. What are you talking about?

476
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Speaker 1: Cluster what?

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Speaker 6: Okay? So sociopathy, they lie, they can, they manipulate, they

478
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 6: have parasitic lifestyle. So there you have the money motive,

479
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 6: borderline personality disorder, there's clinging and rejecting behavior. They can

480
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 6: plot and plan forever bi polar where they get in

481
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 6: such a certain type of mood where they feel no

482
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Speaker 6: guilt or consciousness or remorse. So she has all these

483
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Speaker 6: things swirling around, and that's why this story just gets

484
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 6: crazier and crazier. And like Casey Anthony, everyone from the

485
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Speaker 6: outside looking in can say, that's a lie. That's a lie,

486
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Speaker 6: that's a that's a lie. How can she not know

487
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Speaker 6: that we know she's lying? And that's what happens with

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Speaker 6: these kinds of personalities. They don't see in themselves what

489
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Speaker 6: we see in them. And that's why the family went

490
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Speaker 6: over to check the safe. That's why they caught her,

491
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Speaker 6: is that they had been observing this for a long

492
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Speaker 6: long time.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's more to the money motive, and I can't

494
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Speaker 1: wait for doctor Moroney to champagne on how many dead

495
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Speaker 1: body sees autopsied that are dead because of money motive.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this.

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Speaker 3: Investigators say Eric Richins was looking into a divorce. He

498
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Speaker 3: had recently changed his will and life insurance from his

499
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: wife to his sister. Two friends told detectives that Eric

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Speaker 3: Richards was worried Corey would kill him for the money

501
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 3: and wanted to ensure that his kids were taken care

502
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Speaker 3: of financially. Even as Corey Richins was promoting her children's

503
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: book about grief on local television, investigators were looking into

504
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: the couple's troubled paths.

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Speaker 1: I've watched that interview a million times and never once

506
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Speaker 1: did this woman shit a tear? Doctor William Morony, we

507
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Speaker 1: now medical examiner. The love of money the root of

508
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Speaker 1: all evil. What do you think about that, Maroni?

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Speaker 8: It's really a good reason. It's at the top of

510
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Speaker 8: the list. Money is.

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Speaker 2: It's like worse than love and infidelity because you can

512
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: just enjoy it all by yourself. It's sinful, and it's

513
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: in every culture, and it's in every country, and whether

514
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: it's male or female, it's always about the money. And

515
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Speaker 2: what I'm really worried about somebody this reckless. People will

516
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Speaker 2: reproduce this and what happens. Fentanyl is so dangerous. She

517
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Speaker 2: could have accidentally killed her children.

518
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Speaker 1: You're right, the three little boys in the same hume.

519
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Speaker 1: Oh what if one of them had taken a sip

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Speaker 1: of that moscow mule.

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Speaker 2: Even if they would have touched fentanyl on the counter,

522
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Speaker 2: or there was fentanyl dust and something like that is

523
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Speaker 2: just to poison somebody with fentanyl when they're small children

524
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Speaker 2: in the room. That's insane.

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Speaker 1: Fentanyl dust. Remember Marony, doctor Moroney. We just covered the

526
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Speaker 1: case of a little one year old boy who died

527
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Speaker 1: in a daycare from fentanyl New York dust. He breathed

528
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: it in the daycare was being was a front for dope.

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Speaker 1: He breathed and we think or touched fentanyl. Time Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, here's the kicker. This is not

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Speaker 1: the first time, according to Ellie Law enforcement, that Corey

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Speaker 1: rich has tried to murder her husband. Listen to in

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Speaker 1: the investigative reporting team at Crime Stories.

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00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 3: Valentine's Day twenty twenty two, Eric Richins becomes violently ill

535
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Speaker 3: after suffering an allergic reaction after having dinner with his

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Speaker 3: wife of nine years, Corey. He breaks out in hives,

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00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 3: can't Breathe passes out after using his son's EPI pen

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Speaker 3: and taking Benadreel. When Eric wakes up, he calls his

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Speaker 3: business partner, Cody Wright to let him know what has

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00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: just happened. Then, without Corey knowing, Eric changes the beneficiary

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Speaker 3: of his will and his power of attorney, replacing his

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00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 3: wife Corey with his sister. Legal paperwork suggests that Eric

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Speaker 3: believes Corey might kill him for the money, and he

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Speaker 3: wants his children to be financially secure.

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Speaker 1: Kind of reminds me of Caltman Laurie Valo. Her husband

546
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: was afraid that she would kill him, so he changed

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Speaker 1: a lot of his financial setup away from her, and

548
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: she killed him anyway, had him killed anyway, not knowing

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00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: that she was no longer his beneficiary. That said, this

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00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: reminds me of another incredible case. And you know I

551
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: couldn't make this up. Do you remember the name Dahlia Dippolito.

552
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: Reportedly a former escort who marries the victim. She sets

553
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Speaker 1: up a hit. She sets up a shooting hit to

554
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Speaker 1: kill him and get money in a town home. But

555
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: of course she sets it up with an undercover agent

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Speaker 1: and he's got it all on tape, planning to kill

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Speaker 1: her husband. Dahlia Dippolito, So apparently she tried to kill

558
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Speaker 1: him before in a poisoned Starbucks latte of some sort.

559
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Speaker 1: Didn't work, so she tries again. According to him, he lives.

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Speaker 1: The undercover agent stops the hit, but they pretend to her.

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Speaker 1: This is a sting that they're coming to tell her

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Speaker 1: her husband has been attacked and he's dead. Now, Meryl Streep,

563
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Speaker 1: I love you, lady, but move over because Dahlia Dippolito

564
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Speaker 1: may beat you out for your next oscar. Listen to

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Speaker 1: Dahlia Dippolito reacting to Nie her husband is dead.

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Speaker 10: I'm Sergeant Ramsey. I'm the one to call you.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for comment.

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00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to call you.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 10: We had a report of a disturbance at your house

571
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Speaker 10: and there were shots fired as your husband, Michael, Okay,

572
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 10: I'm sorry to tell you. Then he's been killed.

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Speaker 8: He's been killed.

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Speaker 6: Then, right now we.

575
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Speaker 5: Need to get we.

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Speaker 2: Need I can't let man.

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Speaker 5: We have to do our job.

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Speaker 10: If you want to find at killer, we need you

579
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Speaker 10: to calm down. Need you to go with these defictives. Okay,

580
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Speaker 10: does you have enemies? Is there anyone that would want

581
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Speaker 10: to Okay? Here, want heard him with us? She said

582
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Speaker 10: he saw a blackmail running from me. I can't let

583
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Speaker 10: you see him them them. I cannot do this right now.

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Speaker 1: I need you.

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Speaker 10: I need you to take it to the stations. I

586
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 10: can't go with these detectives. If you want to help

587
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 10: your husband, okay, if you want to help your husband.

588
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 10: You need to go to the station with these gentlemen

589
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 10: and tell us everything you know about who he knows,

590
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 10: who's connected to. Don't worry, We've already taken care of

591
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 10: dogs with animal control for right now. Everything's under control.

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Speaker 1: There's more, but I just listen to that all day.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that, Donna Kelly? That was Dollia Dipolito

594
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: when she's told her husband's dead, he's not dead. Later

595
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Speaker 1: at the police station, they're questioning her and he walks by.

596
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Speaker 1: He goes, Hi, you tried to kill me.

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Speaker 11: But in this case, now we're getting this very long

598
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 11: letter where obviously Cory rich AND's Moscow Mule Mom is

599
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 11: trying to convince her family to lie about her husband

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Speaker 11: traveling to Mexico to get these drugs.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that evidence is going to be explosive and very

602
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Speaker 7: powerful in front of the jury. And compounding the actual

603
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 7: letter is also the evidence that she's trying to manufacture

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00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 7: excuses for writing it. She says, at first it was

605
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Speaker 7: written for her lawyer's benefits, so it's privileged. Well, that's

606
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 7: obviously a lie because write in the letter she refers

607
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Speaker 7: to her lawyer by name, you know, tell my brother

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Speaker 7: to go talk to the name of her lawyer. So

609
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 7: obviously it's not written for the lawyer. But also then

610
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 7: now she had to concoct a new lie because that

611
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Speaker 7: one didn't fly. So you have not only the letter

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Speaker 7: with the instructions of how to lie, but you have

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Speaker 7: her excuses for writing it, which compounds again shows her

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Speaker 7: consciousness of her own guilt.

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Speaker 1: While she's having some type of a seizure, guard search

616
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Speaker 1: her cell find a copy of a bombshell letter instructing

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Speaker 1: her own mother to fuel conspiracy theories that her dead

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00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: husband had a drug problem and overdosed. He was at

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Speaker 1: work every day, working trying to pay for that mega

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Speaker 1: mansion they were living in. In the letter, she reportedly

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Speaker 1: asked her the mother, to get her brother to concoct

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Speaker 1: a story. The husband, a year before his death, secretly

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Speaker 1: told the brother he would get pain pills and fentanyl

624
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Speaker 1: from a ranch hand in Mexico. She wrote that she

625
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Speaker 1: would also say her husband asked the caterer, an alleged

626
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Speaker 1: drug dealer, to hook him up with more, when actually

627
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Speaker 1: that housekeeper caterer says that she, Corey Richins, is the

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Speaker 1: one wanting the money. So this is an incredible development

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Speaker 1: in the case. And oh, by the way, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you guys knew this, but justin Boardman in

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Speaker 1: the dahliat Dippalito case. She then claimed something similar to

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Speaker 1: what Moscow Mule Mom is saying. She claimed that was

633
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Speaker 1: a script. It was all a setup. They were all

634
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Speaker 1: acting for a reality show, the way Corey Richards is saying, Oh,

635
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Speaker 1: that letter telling everybody what to say about my husband

636
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Speaker 1: being a dopehead. That was part of a manuscript. That's

637
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: the ticket, a manuscript of a book I was writing.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to work.

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Speaker 9: No, that is a lot of drama, if you will.

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Speaker 8: It also reminds me of a case that was.

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Speaker 9: Investigated a couple of cubicles over from my own, and

642
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 9: that was the Susan and Josh Powell case where Susan

643
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Speaker 9: had put a letter in her work file at work

644
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Speaker 9: that if she disappeared or died, that Josh probably did.

645
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Speaker 9: It very interesting to me to see these sort of

646
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Speaker 9: people get these intuitions that they might get off by

647
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Speaker 9: their significant other like he did as.

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Speaker 1: Well, he really did. And you can read the entire

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Speaker 1: letter at crimeonline dot com. But it goes on to

650
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Speaker 1: say if you could read it. It says I need Eric.

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Speaker 1: Eric told Romney he gets pain pillars from Mexico. You

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Speaker 1: may have to testify to this. Romney should have gotten

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Speaker 1: text from Eric talking about getting high. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: goes on and on describing what would help her if

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Speaker 1: they said it on the stand. Nancy, can I jump

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Speaker 1: place jump in?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, not only is she witnessed hampering, but

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Speaker 6: this is one more example of criminals in roiling their

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Speaker 6: families and their crimes. They don't just take themselves down,

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Speaker 6: they take everyone else down around them.

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Speaker 12: I mean, if you read it, it goes on to

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Speaker 12: talk about how you may have to testify to this,

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Speaker 12: maybe something like he gets high every night and won't

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Speaker 12: help take.

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Speaker 1: Care of the kids. It just goes on and on

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Speaker 1: and on.

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Speaker 6: Remember Casey Anthony accused her brother and her father of

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Speaker 6: molesting her, and you know all these things. There's this

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Speaker 6: thoughtless attitude, there's this callous disregard for family members. So

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Speaker 6: the family members are used just as much as she

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Speaker 6: used her husband, she used the press, she used her

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Speaker 6: own children without any thought to the consequences.

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Speaker 1: This case is heading to trial, isn't that true?

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Speaker 13: Elaine Otavius, Yes, I mean, that's the goal, but there

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Speaker 13: are so many more hearings that are coming up that,

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Speaker 13: I mean, the next one.

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Speaker 5: There actually going to argue whether it should be dismissed.

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Speaker 5: That's what her attorney filed based on this lot.

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Speaker 1: M hmm. That's straight out of the defense playbook. Remember

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Speaker 1: they just tried that in the Brian Coburger case. It

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Speaker 1: didn't work. We wait as this trial unfolds. Goodbye friend,